h1-for-new-players

[sturdy nymph]

Yeah I found ares wack

[grave storm]

Poseidon is finicky unless you get all the parts

@devs please just let me attack during Ares Aid.....

[polar finch]

just get vicious cycle and a way to fill ur call to 100% in 10 seconds

[sturdy nymph]

Are the 30 key upgrades worth

To farm for *

[dusty vault]

Those are the last 3 no?
Dark foresight is huge
Gods pride/fated persuasion helps in consistency

[sturdy nymph]

Yeah

I already have maxed dark foresight

[sturdy nymph]

[dusty vault]

Spoiler mark btw

[sturdy nymph]

Btw how do I fish well

[knotty rune]

theres not any secret

you press the fish button again when it bobs under

usually its around the 3rd bob

its actually very formulaic

and pretty much always bobs in the same 3 patterns

so once you get a feel for it, you can catch every fish

even without the best reaction time

[kind remnant]

don't fall for fake bob

[polar finch]

if i can perfect catch at 40 fps you probably can too

[kind remnant]

you gotta pump those numbers up

[tropic pike]

Fish???

there's fishing???

[viscid notch]

Ofc

[gray haven]

It's a random number of 0-3 fake bobs, so there's an equal chance for each of the up-to-4 bobs to be real.

And there are no set patterns.

[knotty rune]

what you just described is very formulaic

especially because the timing between the bobs is fairly consistent

so the pattern of fishing

is like wait wait is this the one? no. wait wait is this the one? no. will the next one be a fast bob? wait, yeah there it is

and you snag it

its difficult to describe it in words

but its like a series of 4 random trials at fairly regular intervals

which allows you to prepare yourself enough for each trial to make up for slower raw reaction speed

once youre used to the timing

[gray haven]

Of course there's a formula, somebody had to code it after all, but there are no patterns.

[grizzled sandal]

I can't defeat megara, why is it so difficult??

[soft badge]

just die to her more times

pay attention to what she does before using each attack

then dash out of the way

[faint harness]

how many runs in are you? Hades isn't a game you're expected to beat only a few runs in, as long as you feel like you're making progress you're doing amazing

I only saw the final boss for the first time around my 30th run

and then a few runs after to beat it

[grizzled sandal]

Oh ok

I just wondered why she was killing me every time i fought her

[viscid notch]

She is tough

[tropic pike]

Use the shield

it's so strong

Buy death defiance from the mirror

get a relic thing which gives you an extra death defiance

[viscid notch]

You can do those but ultimately it's just practice

You still have stuff to do after you defeat Meg

So killing her with 1 hp is just a minor achievement

[tropic pike]

Yea

I just defeated the minotaur and now I'm going to fight them both

Furthest I've been

[dry mantle]

keep moving. if you're standing still, you're going to get hit

[hot horizon]

Wait, can you deflect explosions?

[languid dune]

If you have the upgrade from zagreus’s hammer or have a boon

[hot horizon]

How have I not noticed that until just a moment ago?

[gray haven]

No, you can't. And there's no hammer upgrade that allows you to deflect. They're only boons from Lady Athena.

You can deflect the bomb an enemy throws at you, and that will make the explosion harmless to you, but you can't deflect the explosion itself.

[hot horizon]

Huh.

Weird.

I swung with the one that makes your attacks deflect when one of those pot guy explosions happen and it said deflected.

[gray haven]

Must have deflected it just before the explosion.

[hot horizon]

No damage boat. :-)

Can't reroll the hammers?

[gray haven]

Nope.

[hot horizon]

I have a dou of dous, I guess. Neat.

[hot horizon]

Run 2 finished.

31:46.61

I really do like the tells with the last boss, subtle but not overly so.

[hot horizon]

Ambiguity Bonus time.

[normal turret]

How do I get more Titan's Blood besides beating Tartarus with new weapons?

[grave storm]

beating the last area with new weapons

[normal turret]

What's that?

[grave storm]

you need to win a run, and then the game will tell you

[hot horizon]

You have to win runs.

[grave storm]

also that's a spoiler in new players channel btw

[hot horizon]

The game explains it.

[normal turret]

Well, damn

[hot horizon]

I figured that word out of context wasn't a spoiler because you need to know it's one to have it be a spoiler.

[normal turret]

I'm stuck on Elysium, I lost to Theseus for the 2nd time

[grave storm]

it's just the rules *shrug

[hot horizon]

Uhm, don't get hit.

That's the area where you need to think a little more and not just mash.

[normal turret]

I really should try out my two remaining weapons but... ugh

Ranged feels wrong

[hot horizon]

I love the sword, you'll want to learn the spear for later though.

Doom is very nice.

Huh, is borrowing a per weapon thing?

[opal widget]

hypnos is that you

[hot horizon]

I'm not wrong.

[kind remnant]

Bow is poggers

[tropic pike]

How do I make the bow good

I have the auto aiming upgrade thing but it still sucks compared to my other weapons

[quaint zephyr]

I’m not particularly good with bow, but leveling up the Chiron aspect has helped me

[kind remnant]

how much titan blood do you have

[tropic pike]

1

[kind remnant]

Have you spent any yet?

[kind remnant]

If you want a cheap good early first aspect and don't hate the bow here is what I used for a while and is really easy to achieve. All you need to do is kill the fist boss once with each weapon, then put 5 titan blood into the zag bow. 5 titan blood to max is basically as cheap at you can go:

SPOILERS: This clip shows the third boss and kind of a spoiler item at around 50 seconds in so stop before then if you don't want that info:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fhdKwgWbQA

[tropic pike]

You removed the charge up with daedleus hammer?

That looks good

[kind remnant]

Yeah, not required for the build just what rolled for me. There is one that let's you hold attack for auto attack. Can't power shot but it shoots like 3 in the time one power shot would go off. All you really need arpho attack, arty special, get heart rent duo, everything else is optional. Twin shot is stonks tho

[tropic pike]

Thank you

I really hate the charge up

I will look forward to that next time

[kind remnant]

Np

5 blood in zag bow is a good early investment

IMO

[rich osprey]

zag bow slaps tbh

[kind remnant]

I'd take it over chiron for early game

[soft badge]

base bow is nice

didnt upgrade it before chiron but went back and its very nice for a 5 titan blood max upgrade

[rich osprey]

i dont really like chiron tbh but thats a me thing

[alpine ridge]

Learning to dash strike with the bow is what really changed things for me, the charge up is very very fast if you dash strike

[kind remnant]

This is true

[modern hornet]

||i always forget the shockwave at the beginning of hades phase 2||

[kind remnant]

Don't crowd him lol

[proper robin]

maybe give that a spoiler mark

[modern hornet]

oh yea

[grave storm]

Eventually you graduate to trying to charge and attack, release it once you can hit again and dash through that wave... and sometimes get hit anyway

[gray haven]

I always respect the wave unless m speedrunning and don't have time for that.

[grizzled wind]

guys i equip athenas keepsake at the beginning of my run but i never get her boon in the first time

it says next boon will be athenas

so why am i not getting it

[viscid notch]

Do you mean in the first chamber? It could also be a hammer

But she shows up later nonetheless

[grizzled wind]

yes

[grizzled wind]

then what does " next boon will be athenas" mean? because the next boon is not athenas

[viscid notch]

A hammer is not considered a boon and has a chance to show up in the first chamber no matter your keepsake choice

[grizzled wind]

no not a hammer

i picked athenas keepsake but poseidon appeared bruh

@viscid notch

[viscid notch]

Hmm, does Poseidon give you a call

[grizzled wind]

call?

[viscid notch]

His Aid

[grizzled wind]

he gave me something he said was pretty special

[viscid notch]

A Legendary?

[grizzled wind]

there was only one option

yes

[viscid notch]

Okay

So

[grizzled wind]

i think

[viscid notch]

It's a scripted event

That's why you didnt see your Athena

[grizzled wind]

oh

[viscid notch]

Some of the early attempts are scripted to introduce you to different things

Like Fishing / Hermes / Hammers

etc

[grizzled wind]

ohk

[viscid notch]

But you see Athena being offered later regardless

Just keep going a bit through the biome

Should show up on a door

This is just an exceptional case, in normal scenarios its either her or a hammer in c1

[grizzled wind]

btw what keepsake is best for beginners

how many total chambers are therem

[viscid notch]

It can vary depending on what you're running in terms of weapon/aspect, but usually for the first 2 biomes you take God keepsakes to force them, gods that help your build get going in some way, then for the other 2 biomes you take defensive keepsakes because rooms and bosses can start getting tough

[viscid notch]

14 24 36 are the boss chambers for the first 3 biomes

The last Biome has a bit of an rng element

Could finish the run in 50 chambers until upwards of 74 ish

Depends

[grizzled wind]

oh

[viscid notch]

Defensive Keepsakes would be, Skelly's tooth, Cerberus' Collar or Eurydice's Acorn

Or Patroclus' Spearpoint

Spearpoint and Collar less popular than the other 2, more of a niche use

[turbid stag]

spearpoint big brain against em4 spins tho

only one hits you still

(this is a bad strategy, ignore me)

[viscid notch]

[grizzled wind]

so big strat would be use owl for divine rush then switch to skelly mid run?@viscid notch

[fresh current]

yeah that'd be perfectly fine. Skelly is only really going to be benefiting you late in a run when you need that card to play, earlier on in a run you might as well be taking God's keepsakes and building power. Just keep in mind that once you switch off of a keepsake mid-run there's no putting it back on so don't get too foxy

[viscid notch]

That would be fine yea, you could go for another god first, like Aphrodite/Artemis to get some more firepower

Then Athena in Asphodel for her dash

[restive portal]

Yeah, you don't need Athena to get through Tartarus but a bit of extra firepower from the start helps

Athena before Elysium is good for newer players

[swift kindle]

Finally

After 70 tries, beat the game with hera

[dusty vault]

Hera gaming

[swift kindle]

First try with her

[turbid stag]

Hera super based

[tropic pike]

Best characters to give nectar?

Nectar

[faint harness]

anybody really, I'd say prioritize getting every keepsake first but after just give nectar to characters you like

maybe Megaera for ||her summon|| (not sure if that's a spoiler, probably not but I spoiler tagged just incase)

[wanton crypt]

I’ve been giving them to Zeus and Poseidon

No idea if that will do anything eventually

[kind remnant]

is chaos pure RNG or does egg help odds of him spawn?

[viscid notch]

RNG

Egg doesnt help

Just gives you higher rarity + no penalty if you actually see them

[viscid notch]

Just bonds and more dialogue for the most part

[dusty vault]

Also can use light of ixion from charon wells for more Chaos

[kind remnant]

thanks, what about chaos boon types? I haven't seen a chaos boon to add a cast in the last 10 times and that's with refreshing once too

seems really rare

[viscid notch]

Just rng

[kind remnant]

bad rng for meeee

[proper robin]

wish the egg helped

would speedrunners hate me if i wished the egg and the chaos spawner had their effects swapped?

[viscid notch]

Maybe

[tired herald]

So can you use the run where hades lets you go as a speedrun? Because it is not listed in the rules lol

[dusty vault]

Spoiler about ||hades letting you go, but it doesnt count, requires victory screen and 10th win doesnt provide one iirc , also i think time still counts during greece?||

[viscid notch]

Yea you need a victory screen

So it doesn’t count as a legal run to submit

[tired herald]

Ah fair enough

[dusty vault]

Also spoiler mark your message

[fluid gorge]

Late af but I’d give it to Cerberus and skelly. Cerberus keepsake is helpful for beginners cause it gives you extra max health to start with and then once you get later into the run you can switch to the skelly keepsake for an extra dd

After that I’d focus on getting all the god keepsakes so you can start manipulating your rooms a bit god pool wise

[restive portal]

Get the Acorn early too

[fluid gorge]

Yeah acorn is also really good

[wanton crypt]

What does acorn do?

[tropic pike]

oh you can switch like that

I bought the the upgrade but didn't even realize

thanks

[fluid gorge]

It makes it so the first 5 hits you take in the last encounter in a region (boss fight) don’t deal any damage. Basically invincibility for the first 5 hits at the max level. First level is three hits and second is fourth.

It’s a really good defensive keepsake

If you get hit a lot though it might not be as good, so as a beginner I’d use the skelly keepsake since you’ll be getting hit more and acorn when you get better, but it’s kinda situational

[grizzled sandal]

Just vanquished megara for the first time, it felt amazing

[rich osprey]

vanquished is such a good word

[grizzled sandal]

True

[soft badge]

not so good when u get vanquished by traps

[leaden whale]

what is a good build?

im new

i only have 4 hours

[viscid notch]

Depends on your weapon and whether or not you can force gods yet

[leaden whale]

force gods?

i have the trident

[viscid notch]

Force gods as in use their keepsake for a certain biome to have them show up

[leaden whale]

oh

so i have to give that orange stuff

[viscid notch]

Yea that gives your their keepsake the first time you give them nectar

[viscid notch]

The spear?

[leaden whale]

yea

[viscid notch]

It's a bit of a hammer reliant weapon

If you get Exploding Launcher then you wanna lean into your Special, put a % god on it, ideally Artemis or Aphro with rarity then look for Charged Skewer as your Second Hammer

If you get Flurry Jab focus on your attack, ideally Zeus with Static Discharge but others can work fine, except Poseidon

And you can and should make use of both all the time even without having hammers specifically for them

[leaden whale]

ok

ill try it

[viscid notch]

Worth noting that Exploding Launcher and Flurry Jab always have their value, so you can take either of them as second hammer, that would be totally fine

Charged Skewer as first hammer is very weak however, and it's also weak as second hammer after Flurry Jab

[leaden whale]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[alpine ridge]

honestly, if you're only 4 hours in, the best advice is to keep trying stuff out

keep getting darkness and keys to unlock the mirror and weapons

[tropic pike]

I always thought the red diamond thing you throw by pressing A was useless

recently I got the wine guy boon + Zeus boon + hades hold A to throw boon for it and wow it's so strong

[viscid notch]

Casts are strong yes

[gray haven]

Exploding Launcher second hammer kinda sucks in my experience. At that point you've already settled on not using Special at all for damage.

So it just doesn't fit into a build you'd have by Elysium.

[viscid notch]

You dont have better second hammers really

Extending doesnt do anything and triple jab is sub par because you're dash striking often

[gray haven]

Extending Jab is quite nice.

By the time I'd find Exploding Launcher in Elysium, my Special would already have no hope of catching up with Cast.

And without Exploding Launcher, Cast > Dash-Strike x2 is how you get damage.

[viscid notch]

It's tough to measure how good Extending is

If you have Flurry as your first hammer you dont really need a second one

But if you do take one, Exploding is the one I'd take

[gray haven]

Spear hammers are generally just very "...why?"

[restive portal]

Flurry is fine with the right boons.

[celest fox]

What about Exploding 2nd hammer on Hades?

Quick/massive 1st

Maybe the same can apply, but you can also just switch to using special over dash strikes tbh

Depends on what's on your special

[sand kiln]

what do i use keys for after unlocking all the weapons and the extra bonuses from the mirror?

[gray haven]

My premise is that you have no good reason to take a Special boon in the first place without Exploding Launcher.

[celest fox]

You can generally trade them

[gray haven]

Exploding second definitely works a lot better on Hades Aspect, though, since it has a natural buff to Special damage.

[celest fox]

Maybe. Maybe a special boon is your best option. Especially for duos.

[gray haven]

That's like practically never the case, though.

[celest fox]

Yeah I see your point. I can just see planning around those hammers specifically on Hades

If that's what you're going for, and it's good on Hades, then you can switch to using special once it's worth it

Generally you dont switch playstyle though yeah

[gray haven]

You might have Divine Flourish if you're going for Merciful End. In that case, picking up Exploding Launcher second hammer could be pretty good.

[celest fox]

Yeah

Or HR

[gray haven]

Eh... you'd have Passion Dash for Heart Rend.

[sand kiln]

so genreally the only reason is trading?

[kind remnant]

Yeah after you unlock all weapons and mirrors

It does nothing else

Just like darkness does nothing once you max the mirror

[gray haven]

I'd recommending always keeping 15 on you in case the Broker offers the Titan Blood for 15 Chthonic Keys.

[gray haven]

You'll need Darkness for some affinity progression as well as both Darkness and Chthonic Keys for some cosmetic things much later on.

But you'll have plenty of Chthonic Keys by then anyway.

[kind remnant]

Affinity?

[gray haven]

Relationship progress.

Hearts.

[kind remnant]

Ah didn't know you needed darkness for that

[gray haven]

Only for one character.

[kind remnant]

Bet I can guess which one

[celest fox]

||its a thing you buy||

[proper robin]

by then you'll probably be wondering what to do with darkness anyways

so it's not exactly hard to get the number

[opaque grotto]

:( What's ||Minotaur's|| attack pattern? I can make him ||toss a wall|| , but when he jumps on me, I can't avoid getting hit. A rapid purple shockwave damages me every time.

[kind remnant]

Dash behind

[sand kiln]

ahh ok

what about gems?

[celest fox]

His back is generally a blindspot that he cant reach with his swings

Then he will jump usually. Dash so you dont get hit and get back to the back

If he starts rushing, lead him to a pillar

[opaque grotto]

Thank you ❤️

[tropic pike]

How do I check if my weapon has already achieved a titan blood/diamond/ambrosial

And how do I get more titan blood fast

[gray haven]

Get clears.

You're not really supposed to get Titan Blood fast early on.

Could save your money for the shop in the Temple of Styx. That has a 50% chance to have a Titan Blood on offer.

[tropic pike]

ah well the furthest I|| got is hades lol||

[gray haven]

Spoiler-tag that one.

[tropic pike]

my bad

these emojis are so nice

[kind remnant]

[proper robin]

[grave storm]

[gray haven]

Best emoji on this server.

[kind remnant]

[proper robin]

that's not even from here

[zenith cave]

When should I move away from this channel? What is considered a new player versus not?

Just don’t want to waste anyones time here or play accidental spoiler.

I’m still an idiot as it relates to the game lol

[grave storm]

The spoilers that need to be tagged are what happens after you reach the last room for the first time, regardless of whether you win or not

[zenith cave]

Ok. So I’ve had credits to roll. I’m on heat 6 now.

[grave storm]

Yeah you're good to move out

[keen bronze]

Hm maybe after you feel like you know alot? Like maybe after you've beaten the final boss or beaten "enough" of the game? I cant say for certain when "enough" for everyone is though T_T

[zenith cave]

Ok. Shall i send you a dm as to where to send my diploma?

[kind remnant]

Yeah what's your address

It's fine to ask questions in here, I wouldn't worry too much about it just spoiler mark things

[celest fox]

This is also the place to get spoilers free questions or advice

[rich osprey]

or, helping out other new players!

[kind remnant]

☝️

[river mountain]

how many clears does it take for ||persephone to come back?||

[polar finch]

10

[river mountain]

just finished my 10th

swag

[viscid notch]

Pog

[tidal silo]

anyaway to farm all the darkness and all the others and such

[fluid gorge]

Do a heat level you’ve already done, pick the weapon with darker thirst so you get extra darkness. Try and get the poseidon boon (I think it’s called oceans bounty) that gives you extra gems and darkness and I think obols too. Try to also get the chaos boon that makes it so any darkness is worth more. Buy any darkness from wells you see and also take the troves if they offer darkness. If there’s the trove tracker in the well take it too so you can potentially get more darkness.

[knotty rune]

probably not worth it until you can reliably beat boss 3

if not 4

each boss offers way way more darkness then the last

[knotty rune]

also this is kind of minmaxy but 😔

[pseudo narwhal]

okay so I've been using the bow as my main weapon for a while now and I got pretty far, but I tried using fists for like the third time and I made it all the way to ||hades||. Are they just that good?

and if I'm going for a crit build with the zag bow what should I be looking for

because I feel like I just take the crit attack boon and that's it, and the other boons don't help as much with attack based crit

Also, how can I get higher rarity boons? I haven't seen a legendary boon in like 40 runs

When I'm going for a crit build on the bow I just get a 15% chance to crit on attacks + the innate crit chance and that's it...

[viscid notch]

You can look for Aphrodite for her dash and then their Duo Boon which will make your crits stronger on weak foes

[pseudo narwhal]

oh okay that's smart

so try to use other gods for their duos

i guess I should look into duo boons more ty

[viscid notch]

Yea Duo boons can be very good sometimes

[kind remnant]

Take aphrodite attack and arty special

Go for heart rend and then stonks

Then stack all of artys crits like hunter mark

[viscid notch]

That's not a good build for Base bow

You don't use your Special

Arty on your attack is much better

[turbid stag]

Heart rend and Artemis call stonks except not really lol

[kind remnant]

Oh I always used arpho cause it hits harder

And weak

But I guess more crit oops

Yeah I just used the special to fill boon for duo since you don't use it at all regardless who is there

[turbid stag]

Aphro attack zag bow makes sense

Outside of a meme charged volley build tho, arty special isn’t that useful

Zag bow special can spread status

Doom, jolted, etc all good uses but it usually won’t be your main source of damage

[kind remnant]

So arpho attack and arty dash maybe?

[viscid notch]

That's good

Zeus Call Smoldering Air stonks

As long as your Aphro attack has rarity

Because Common Aphro attack is so bad compared to Epic

Common = 50%
Epic = 100%

I would reset for it

[kind remnant]

Is there a way to reset without dying to lose your streak cause I notice when you do give up and reset you get the same boons

[viscid notch]

You can use a mod

Starting boon selector

That keeps your streak

But the run is considered seeded either way

[dry mantle]

you dont lose your streak if you give up? didnt know that

interesting

[viscid notch]

Yea you dont lose your streak that way

[kind remnant]

You run back home without dying

[dry mantle]

what ever happened to "no turning back" lol

[grave storm]

you're rewinding time itself so it's still valid from. Zag's perspective

[kind remnant]

Zag is Chronos

[dry mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-nervous-seriously-side-eye-confused-gif-11871091

so he's suddenly just.. back in the courtyard with skelly?

ive never actually bailed on a run. just took the L lol

[turbid stag]

Arty dash won’t enable heart rend, but it is on its own merits a great choice for zag bow

[rich osprey]

I've given up a lot just cause I'll forget to switch some mirror stuff or a keepsake

[kind remnant]

Does cast enable it?

[turbid stag]

But yeah aphro start into Zeus and smair works al the time lol

It does yes

Though arty attack and aphro dash is optimal for heart rend

You can also use special but it’s clunky

you really want targeting beacons with zag bow tho

Wait no hunters mark wrong game

[rich osprey]

hunters mark is cool 👍 make use of it

[turbid stag]

lol targeting beacons

why am i like this

i seriously just cant keep my games straight

like i still call hades money rupees, but i call money in returnal obols

(it's obolites, so close enough)

[kind remnant]

I just call everything gold

Or money

[turbid stag]

Yeah, targeting beacons is from a very niche game

‘‘Twas a derp

[rich osprey]

monee

[bright sun]

You dont lose your streak if you give up?

i had no idea

[kind remnant]

Correct

You don't gain any progress you made with loot or character affinity

[olive kiln]

Nyx has asked me for the eldest sigil but there isn't anything at the contractor, do I need to do a run before it shows up?

[gray haven]

Could also try going into Zag's chamber and back to the House Contractor. Maybe that'll do it.

But typically just do another run, yeah.

[olive kiln]

Aight bet

[proper robin]

just wait a bit, happened to me too

[mellow talon]

stumbled upon the ||charon boss fight|| and subsequently got my butt kicked into oblivion

[kind remnant]

As is tradition

[fluid gorge]

He hits like a truck

[polar finch]

when he hits harder than ||dad||

[fluid gorge]

Fr

[languid dune]

What weapon and artifact do you guys recommend for getting into elysium? I’ve been able to make it there more often after defeating the bone hydra but I keep getting washed when I make it to either the boss chamber or the close to the end chambers.

[gray haven]

Weapon is just your personal choice.

For keepsakes, try switching to the Evergreen Acorn when you enter Elysium. That'll help a lot with the boss fight.

[glossy dock]

any weapon works, elysium is a test of your build

it's more about having enough damage

[gray haven]

Not exactly since you can make it through a whole run with no build at all, but a decent build definitely helps a whole lot.

[glossy dock]

oh yeah, totally

it is where enemies have a lot more health though

I don't really have any weapon or trinket suggestions, but for the bosses I suggest taking out asterius first

[gray haven]

Making good builds is just as much a skill as knowing enemy behavior etc. Easier to learn from others because you can just ask for build suggestions, but there's little in the way of shortcuts to getting better at movement during combat and such things.

[glossy dock]

theseus and asterius were a big wall for me

[gray haven]

Probably for most players, yeah.

[glossy dock]

one way I improved in elysium was also to get better at fighting the hydra

used to be a big struggle, I would lose a lot of health and sometimes DDs

[gray haven]

Yeah. Making it into Elysium consistently without losing DDs goes a long way.

Also the less money you need to spend on healing, the more money you have for other things.

That said, a good general strategy early on is to get Weak on your primary source of damage, Divine Dash for deflects, and just stacking HP and damage reduction and dodge chance.

Hard to die when you have 400+ HP and the final boss does like 7 to you.

Also something important to know is that dashes only give you invincibility if you empty-dash.

Meaning no Dash-Attack or anything.

So make sure you empty-dash to avoid an incoming attack.

[hot zinc]

well i had a great duo boon: stubborn roots and my plan to beat hades was to destoy him in the first phase and let him destroy my stubborn defience and then after the first phase i was planing to heal then fight and if i got hurt i'd just heal and dodge. but hades beat me cause i was too careless bruh

it was too good and btw i used aspect of hestia gun thing i forgot its name and since it was ranged i had no reason to go near him

[gray haven]

Spoiler-tag anything about the final boss fight, please.

[rich osprey]

stubborn roots usually isn't enough to sustain against ||him||

it's a slow healing, and you'll end up ||getting trapped by skull waves or spear aoe and you'll loose the last half minutes worth of health||

[polar finch]

duos that improve your damage output are better

[sand kiln]

for charon i have a locked heart i heard i have to buy alot from him is this true?

[polar finch]

yeah

[sand kiln]

thanks

[kind remnant]

A lot total or in one setting

[polar finch]

total

[kind remnant]

Cool

Easy enough

[hot zinc]

hey btw, do i just need one boon for duo? for example divine dash and frost flourish

[kind remnant]

Huh?

Duos are triggered by two boons being in specific slots

[grave storm]

All duos need at least one from each god, some are more specific than others

[small wolf]

I beat final boss one times, but i seriously cant beat it more
Is there any suggestions? Im mainly playing on spear rn

[grave storm]

Put ||Demeter|| on the special to slow bosses down (you know the spoiler)

[polar finch]

or just stick on aphro

and get smouldering air

[naive marlin]

Anyone know what I can do with Titan Blood? The Contractor|| only accepts Diamonds||

[alpine ridge]

Titan Blood is for your weapons, hold onto them for now

[leaden whale]

wait till you can ||upgrade your respective weapons ||

||for 4 aspects on every weapon with its own new moves||

[grizzled sandal]

Haven't been able to get past the flame barge, any suggestions?

[grave storm]

Divine dash, focus down the blue gems

[kind remnant]

Dash to dodge, don't dash strike

[dry mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-dodgeball-duck-dip-tips-gif-16899633

[gritty vigil]

Flame Barge is pretty much a standard encounter with a restrictive arena, so taking deflect boons or a call that grants a short invincibility period (Poseidon, Athena) give you more leeway with dodging

[last silo]

Can two keepsakes stack? Specifically Hermes' and Thanatos' keepsakes. I've wanted to test it but I don't know how I'd tell.

[viscid notch]

They dont

If you unequip either of those their bonus is gone

[last silo]

Ok cool.

Sucks but alright

[viscid notch]

Yea, Thanatos' is rarely used outside of meme runs and no hit runs maybe

Hermes' is used with Stygian to unlock Bad News

Because that's global damage

then you remove it in Ely etc usually

[last silo]

Bad News?

That sounds like bad news

[kind remnant]

Found the dad

[viscid notch]

Hermes Legendary

[last silo]

Dad news

[pseudo narwhal]

i feel like i don't have enough titan blood

or

I wasted it unlocking a variety of aspects

is there a way to get more?

I've already beaten the first boss with all weapons and right now i have to trade ||ambrosia|| for it soo

because i don't see a use for it right now

[slow ferry]

There will be a way to get more once you beat the final boss

[kind remnant]

You get titan blood from the last boss too so yeah, no more until you can start beating it, or trading

[tropic pike]

from ||redacted?||

[kind remnant]

Ya

[soft badge]

i love how even ||redacted|| is censored lol

[polar finch]

when ||redacted|| is redacted

[hot horizon]

Does it do anything to beat a bunch of guys in timed rooms?

[dusty vault]

A bit of extra gold

[hot horizon]

Huh, you can fish in Chaos.

[turbid stag]

yep!

[bright sun]

Yeah

it's pretty rare though

I've done it twice

And one i forced it with the charon thingy

On the well

[soft badge]

still havent got a legendary chaos fish

[cinder tartan]

is titans blood worth spending on the 200 gemstones

[alpine ridge]

you mean trading titan's blood for 200 gemstones? Absolutely not

[cinder tartan]

ok

[alpine ridge]

titans blood has direct gameplay benefits and are hard to get while gemstones are used for cosmetics and certain plot things and are easy to get

[cinder tartan]

ok thx

[gray haven]

You'll run out of use for Titan Blood before you run out of use for Gemstones, so it's not a bad deal. But for now, the Titan Blood will help you get stronger.

[leaden whale]

Would it be worth ||selling three of my eight ambrosia for the aspect of Guan yu||

[viscid notch]

I wouldn't tbh, the hidden spear has a big health penalty, so just unlocking it isnt really worth, it can also be tough to play

If you like the weapon and wanna try it sure go for it but it's titan blood heavy

You want it lv5 ideally

[leaden whale]

I'll hold off for now since my only current way to get it other than escape is ambrosia

[viscid notch]

Do you have any reason to unlock it atm?

[leaden whale]

I'm curious about what Achilles was on about, other than that the fists kick ass so

[viscid notch]

Yea it's an interesting weapon, I would focus on winning more often atm, so you can get more titan blood and unlock stuff faster

[cinder tartan]

i have the bow with boom arrws pretty good

[leaden whale]

Btw is Artemis' crit boons worth it for fists? Or should I go for Ares?

[cinder tartan]

ares with doom on attack if ya lucky

[viscid notch]

For the attack it's better to go Zeus Ares or Dio, the first 2 are better than Dio

Artemis is good for Special/aid then possibly support fire

Because fists can build up god gauge pretty well

and support fire will help with that

Pressure points + mark always a good combo

[leaden whale]

Is this in order of what is best?

[viscid notch]

It's tough to rank them from best to worst in all contexts, Zeus really wants more Zeus boons, your damage wouldnt be too good for bosses without Static Discharge, and you might also want a dmg dash like Blade Dash or Tidal dash, Ares and Dio are more independent ones, but to really make Doom shine on fists people usually go for Merciful End, Dio is just strong on his own, you just want rarity on the attack and poms, hangover is pretty good overall, but others have more damage output for sure

[leaden whale]

Alright

Thanks

[cinder tartan]

why do i dont have my smair

i have zeus aid

and heartbreak strike

[viscid notch]

rng?

[cinder tartan]

idk how dou boons work

[viscid notch]

You have the requirements

Now you just need either Zeus or Aphro to offer it to you

[cinder tartan]

o ok thats how i get it thx

[viscid notch]

yup

If you have the codex upgrade you can check requirements for duos

[cinder tartan]

thx bro

[proper robin]

honestly gifting ambrosia is probably better first

you get to progress story and such

[leaden whale]

Okay

[proper robin]

you'll eventually get more blood also

it's probably better to not exchange ambrosia until you start to run out of uses for it

[leaden whale]

Okay thanks

[pseudo mauve]

I managed to beat the final boss 11 attempts ago, but lately my runs are ending sooner and sooner, my last 3 runs I didn't even manage to get to the final boss, any idea what to do? has this happened only to me?

[gray haven]

What are you dying to?

[opaque grotto]

I just tried Artemis' cast build in ||0 heat||. It was really fun haha. I got both dealing damage when the cast is dislodged, and the one makes cast stacks dislodge faster. I had 5 stacks of cast already, then Hermes gave me rapid fire cast boon as well. Everything went perfect. I just kept leveling up the cast boon.

It was like five green homing missile go for Hades in rapid fire, dealing 600-1500 damage each.

It has very smart auto aim. I didn't even try to aim anything. So armless.

I think this is build is new player friendly.

[gray haven]

Nice one! Spoiler-tag ||Heat||, though.

[pseudo mauve]

||Charon||, angered ||Demeter||, and greatshields (<- this mostly since I didn't know they could hit behind them)

I beat ||Charon|| twice easily once without taking any damage, I die mostly to the projectiles they shoot (not the ones from the sides of the screen) which I can't grasp the size of their hitbox and I died once from the melee attack when I didn't manage to read the telegraph

[gray haven]

Oh yeah, the Greatshields have a ranged attack where they slam the shield down and shoot projectiles, and a melee attack where they basically dash forward with their shield and then do a spin attack that hits all around them.

Best bet is typically to get close to them to trigger their melee attack, then empty-dash behind them when you see them ready up.

Then attack them after the spin.

And also make sure you always keep them on the screen because you can't really react to their projectile if they shoot if from off-screen.

Also make sure you empty-dash when you're trying to avoid any attack. If you do something like a Dash-Attack, you lose all the invincibility from the dash.

[tropic pike]

||just beat redacted for the first time!!! I used the spear||

went from my least favourite to top 2

[gray haven]

Time for #h1-victory-boasting.

[uneven sun]

hello, I'm a new player that still on 15th run on elysium, any tips for the boss fight? because I keep dying by theseus T_T

[lament linden]

what worked for me is to try and bring em down at the same time

keeping them together n all

deflect also works wonders for the spear

[uneven sun]

last time, I almost beat them one by one, my health and theseus's is same and I got caught by his spear-arrow and died dramatically. Gonna try beat them together, thanks!

[lament linden]

its what always worked for me

i reccomend getting the dash boon from Athena as well and spamming it lol

[uneven sun]

yeah, the deflect is so good. I reached the elysium boss fight luckily because of it. I'm still struggling with meg and bone hydra without it

[lament linden]

you should probably try and "study" the attack animations as well, if you do so you can probably dodge it without the deflect dash

[uneven sun]

good advice, thank you, gonna try it

[lament linden]

ye :)

theres one more thing of note too

ths minotaur has that hard attack to dodge in which he just charges at you rapidly
you can make him hit theseus or the pillara with ease if you dash behind em, but hes still p quick

not sure if theseus gets damaged by it, but the pillars are more reliable from what i can remember

[uneven sun]

ahh, I saw it on yt where the player using the pillars to block mino's charge and theseus's spear, I failed though when I tried to block mino's charge _-

[lament linden]

yeah it comes handy if you need em

[uneven sun]

I also annoyed when theseus using god's power, it's hard to focus when I try to attack at the same time

[lament linden]

i think killing theseus first stops those from happening? not sure

[uneven sun]

I don't think I can do that if the minotaur still around

[lament linden]

yeah, thats why i suggested to focus on both

i always failed when trying to take only one of em down

also the gods attacks are colored differently, if you manage to memorize those you can p much remember what to do

[uneven sun]

yeah i will try, also one more thing, can I use skelly's keepsake (lucky tooth) first before the death deviance? because I want to change it with other keepsake after using it. In my case, the lucky tooth is always the last

[lament linden]

i dont think you can, no

bummer, but thats how it is

[uneven sun]

ah is that so, thanks, gotta keep trying and beat the game

[lament linden]

go for it, you can always get better

[tropic pike]

Ohh thank you

[polar finch]

usually easier to kill asterius first then theseus. taking both together is generally what you do when you have a more powerful build and are comfortable with the fight

[uneven sun]

got a hammer upgrade for spear that can make the special explode instead of boomerang, the journey that takes 50 minutes become 20 minutes, kinda cool

[grave storm]

That hammer is pretty meta yeah

[rich osprey]

he'll always active his gods aid when he gets to half health

[celest fox]

Explosive is necessary on special to play fast

Otherwise spear special is kinda bad?

It's just so slow

Confusing sometimes even

Explosive just fixes that

Get charged launcher and you can do over 1000 damage on your special pretty easily

[chilly ruin]

i have a question/would like some advice: should i give nectar to everyone (past just getting their special items)? because i know for some npcs it can trigger romance or other stuff but idk if it's that way for every npc

[viscid notch]

Some can give you items at the later hearts, you might wanna do those first but overall it's fine, there isnt anything you can mess up if thats your concern

[chilly ruin]

okay funky

[celest fox]

Ambrosia unlocks story stuff. It's always worth it.

[chilly ruin]

funky fresh

[starts throwing ambrosia at every npc in sight]

[viscid notch]

Yes

[uneven sun]

yeah, I'm bad at aiming so spear special is kinda useless for me

[opaque grotto]

Is ||Pom Blossom|| recommended? I think ||passively gaining levels for boons|| is really nice, but I'm not sure if it gets underwhelming around other keepsakes.

[slow ferry]

It's better if you have a few very good boons instead of a lot of decent boons. It's far from the worst option

[dusty vault]

is fun when you want something like "highest boon lvl"

[left kernel]

what happens once you defeat a boss

do you respawn at the place after or if u die to u have to do it all over again

[chilly ruin]

after you die you’ll be sent back to the house of hades (starting point), where you technically start over again. however the story and characters can still progress, and there are ways to get permanent level ups

[rich osprey]

game progresses outside of runs

[left kernel]

how do u get perm level ups

[sand oak]

i got all 4 starter weapons how to get the rest

[left kernel]

by playing and progressing through the game idk how but i got the twin fists

[sand oak]

so where do i need to go

to get it

[left kernel]

you just play the game

you unlock the fists after unlocking all 4 other weapons

[ivory ocean]

you get keys while playing and use those keys to unlock new weapons

[sand oak]

i did unlock all 4
where to get the other ones now

[left kernel]

same place

you'll see fists they cost 8 keys

[sand oak]

so if i die again they just appear?

[left kernel]

talk to everyone you see as well

yeah probably idk

[sand oak]

dude the spear is so good

[left kernel]

wait till u unlock more weapons

they get good

[sand oak]

what are bounties used for

[left kernel]

will you always spawn in house of hades or are there items / upgrades that let u spawn further up

[sand oak]

i answered it

[left kernel]

what?

you cant say "i think"

i wanna know

[sand oak]

i googled it

it says u cant

[bright sun]

Correct

Always at the house

[knotty rune]

starting later would be much harder

thats free real estate

[cinder tartan]

bruh save and quit you dont spawn at the house

[cinder tartan]

well 24 hp bone hydra wish me luck

noooo i died

[uneven sun]

lol

sad

[chilly ruin]

ouchie

[cinder tartan]

indeed

[calm moth]

are charon shops always guaranteed to show up before a boss

[cloud wasp]

Yes

[gray haven]

Yes, but the mid-biome shops are not guaranteed.

Very high chance you see them, though.

[restive portal]

And if you're lucky Charon will let you borrow a big sack of money from a mid shop.

[dry mantle]

"borrow"

[gray haven]

Borrow, "borrow". Same thing.

[opaque grotto]

I want to farm diamonds and titan bloods ||by buying them for 800-1200 gold from Charon's shop in the main hub right before Hades.|| Is there a keepsake or some kind of permanent buff to collect more gold? I want to play as efficient as I can.

[polar finch]

hypnos' keepsakes gives an extra 150 gold, the golden touch perk on the green side of the mirror is good for hoarding, poseidon and chaos have boons that increase gold gain

[celest fox]

There is one permanent buff. One mirror upgrade gives up to 100 starting gold

The other side gives you compound interest on biome change

I would use the interest if you are trying to consistently get 1000+ gold

Do you have troves unlocked?

Those also give darkness and gems

If you are fast, enough to be worth it imo

[kind remnant]

Best way to farm them though tbh is if you can beat the last boss, just keep doing that and increase ||heat|| by 1 each time

[celest fox]

Yeah agreed

You can also trade gems for blood

Very bad conversion rate though

[opaque grotto]

Oh, thank you. These tips are more than enough for me.

[opaque grotto]

Aww, after reading this I gave a shot and tried to play it in ||1-2 heat||. To be honest it was really easy. I picked ||extreme measures and the one that gives one hit shield to mobs||, and they didn't make runs any harder at all. Thank you for this sweet encouragement.

[kind remnant]

Np, ||early heats are very easy if you pick the right ones. Pick the bottom one that puts a 9 minute timer as well, that one is essentially free, it's not hard at all. Also the one that makes mini bosses harder is easy too as there are so few mini bosses. Do that with multiple weapons and you'll start wracking up the titan blood||

[scarlet ridge]

Do any attack damage bonus modifiers like power shot arrow/bullrush from hera/Beowulf affect the damage output from the cast loaded into the attack?

[viscid notch]

No

[uneven sun]

anyone know how to deal with green crystal enemy that attacking with pink laser? I keep lose my death deviance because of them

[viscid notch]

Their lasers are pretty slow when it comes to tracking you so if you happen to get targeted you can try to dash away, their lasers also don't instantly lock on to you, so you can get a hint from that too

[uneven sun]

thanks, sure I dashed when their lasers are hitting me, but last time the cramped room was filled with traps, enemy, and poison so I panicking a lot lol

[viscid notch]

Yea it can be difficult for sure

[tardy monolith]

Do godmode on hades disable achievements?

On pc

[quasi mantle]

You mean Hell Mode?
You still get achievements by playing Hell Mode

[tardy monolith]

God Mode

[smoky minnow]

question, if my normal attack deals 20dmg and i got a 40% and a 10% bonus do i deal 30dmg (20dmg + 50%) or 30,8dmg (20dmg + 40% + 10%)

[viscid notch]

I don’t think so but not sure

[lament linden]

it does not

god mode does not disable anything from my searches

[lament linden]

tou can stunlock them by constantly attacking while their health is red

thats true for any enemy except bosses

i think.

depending on your weapon of choice you can probably clump the enemies together and do that

otherwise see if theres any scenery you can hide behind, and also the slow tracking they have is good to keep in mind

you could run around em n stuff

[smoky minnow]

ares told me that i killed 100+ enemies and that he counts them, is that accualy true?

[cinder tartan]

idk it can be

[uneven sun]

it's not, I played on god mode since the beginning and the achievement still unlocked

[drifting cedar]

Pretty sure it is yes, but you cant look at your total on your own

[mellow sable]

Hi guys, i have played hades for a few hours now and there are still some questions

[viscid notch]

You can ask away and someone can help hopefully

[mellow sable]

There are many items to boost ur game, i have unlocked all except one, the last in the row, what Charakter Do i have to give the nectar to to unlock it?

2nd
So i read that i can unlock mates who run with me
I give 6 nectar to Achilles already, but now i cant give the Ambrosia to him, He is away

3rd
How to unlock the final Varianz of the weapons

I read in some pages that the Spear Has to be done at first

On other they say there is no order

That are the Main question right now

[dusty vault]

Hidden aspects methods at #h1-story-discussion pinned messages

[dusty vault]

You can look at your total with one of the items for zag room

[mellow sable]

okay found it

but one wuestion remaining for the aspect

do i have to fight ||hades ||with spear to unlock varatha or any weapon

[dusty vault]

Varatha/etc is the name of the weapons

Varatha is spear/stygius is sword/and etc

Also spoiler mark about fighting ||hades||

[slow ferry]

Uh, learn what an empty dash is and that'll help you with faster weapons

Otherwise, tips for this game are pretty situational

[gray haven]

30 damage.

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation

[smoky minnow]

tnx

[smoky minnow]

tnx, also when will he say a bigger number, at 200? at 1000?

[hot horizon]

Nearly got a clear with the spear.

How did you get 308 damage?

[idle sluice]

Is it possible that the faster you react while fishing, the better quality fish you get or doesn't it matter how fast you react?

[grave storm]

If you react faster than a certain threshold you have a chance at better fish

around 0.3 s iirc

[gray haven]

340 milliseconds.

There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. And from what I can tell, fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous fake bob.

[idle sluice]

Thank you so much for the detailed explanation

[brittle wigeon]

If i play more heats can i get more darkness or gems etc?

[alpine ridge]

nope, only more titan's blood, diamonds, ambrosia

however, if you replay the ||same heat||, the boss rewards darkness instead

[kind remnant]

You'll actually get more gems by beating bosses you've already beat on a given ||heat||

[slow ferry]

I think the center of the explosion has to be behind them

[tired herald]

Typically you need to get behind them

[kind remnant]

Get head to head with them and then dash through them to be behind. Rinse and repeat

[upper junco]

What is best weapon for new players (I'm getting Hades for Christmas)

[faint harness]

any

they're all amazing

[upper junco]

K

[faint harness]

just try a few runs with each and use whatever is most fun

[upper junco]

K

Thnx

Dead chat lol

[gray haven]

You got a reply within 2 minutes, how is that dead.

[uneven sun]

asking, what does "weak" status means? I don't really get it

[strange bay]

Enemies that have weak status deal 30% less dmg for a few seconds

[smoky minnow]

the spear is pretty good

[soft badge]

everything is good

shield is the best tho

for new players

[smoky minnow]

guess i'll try it out

[smoky minnow]

spear is better

[uneven sun]

thanks

[gray haven]

Yeah, there's not really one single best weapon for new players. It just depends a lot on what feels intuitive to you. New players aren't gonna optimize any of the weapons in terms of builds nor DPS rotations or anything, so it's more a matter of what you feel comfortable with and can figure out more easily.

And there's no telling what kind of playstyles people come up with for the different weapons when they're still new and figuring out what works and what doesn't.

[lament linden]

the shield can be a mix of defensive and offensive, it's blocking can withstand literally anything unless its on the floor

its my fav considering the builds you can do with it

[idle sluice]

Is it okay that I think power up pomegranate rewards are the worst ones in the game? I always avoid picking them or reroll if there's no other choice

Of course I understand that some leveled up boons can be much stronger than their lvl1 base level

But I don't take the gamble/risk of not being able to pick that specific boon to be leveled up

Of course its better than Gems Keys and Soul Stones but everything else is better than the pomegranate

But of course it depends on the situation

Is my thinking correct

[faint harness]

I almost always take poms

poms are great

there's hardly ever a situation where all of the 3 possible boons that can be upgraded aren't worth upgrading

[slow ferry]

Sometimes you end up with a bunch of boons that aren't doing anything for your build, and pomming those feels bad. But in that case you should be purging those boons to have more pom money

[idle sluice]

It's mostly Poms vs Money and I choose Money almost always

[kind remnant]

Poms are great early on because you probably used a keepsake to get the boon you wanted for your build

If you have line 20 boons in styx then yeah not as good

But if you're doing a cast build and you can pom your cast like 4-5 times, you will be crushing

[idle sluice]

Yeah

Makes sense

Btw am I still a beginner when Ive beaten the story and playing on ||Heat 6||

Like for this channel

[kind remnant]

It's all kind of relative tbh. In general discussion you don't need to worry about spoilers though

[tired herald]

I find going from lvl 1 -> 2 is a huge increase but after that it's not as worth

[kind remnant]

So maybe once you start having questions about ideal ||heat|| strategies for example probably not best to ask here

[idle sluice]

Ok

[kind remnant]

Depends on the boon, some boons scale way better than others

[faint harness]

trippy shot

[restive portal]

Trippy shot and Aphrodite attacks often scale stupidly well

[gray haven]

Pretty much all of the Casts scale well with poms.

Good rule of thumb is pomming flat damage over % damage.

[restive portal]

Trippy shot is 100 at common and can be got to almost 300 easily. I'd take a pom on a good cast over many of Ares's boons.

And Demeter now I think about it.

[gray haven]

Poms are very difficult to make effective early on tbh because it's not just at the pom selection screen but also at the boon selection screen where you need to consider pom scaling.

[restive portal]

Yeah, you need a targeted build plan.

[gray haven]

So if you don't know what boons scale well, you often end up with a lot of boons that don't. But you don't know that until you pick up the pom.

[restive portal]

Or read the wiki

[gray haven]

Wiki doesn't have pom scaling advice.

[restive portal]

Hmm, I'm sure I saw it listed somewhere.

I tended to end up on the fandom.com wiki

But maybe it was elsewhere

Jolted and Rupture lvl 1 to 3 is a big difference.

Anyway this is better of in #h1-builds-and-combat

[idle sluice]

I hate the spear

By far the worst performances with this weapon

It just sucks

The flow

How you're supposed to fight with it

Is trash

Or I'm doing it wrong

I rarely use it but more often than before

[kind remnant]

Good damage?

[idle sluice]

Every other weapon is better and that's just facts in my eyes

[dusty vault]

spear is more hammer dependant if anything
flurry jab is so much fun compared to not having it

and exploding skewer makes special better cause no re calling

[rich osprey]

the triple hit dash attack is interesting

• hunter dash 😳 😳

[dusty vault]

oh serrated is kinda fun

less i-frames on dash tho

[uneven sun]

yep spear is good

[polar finch]

every weapon is good unless youre speedrunning or doing ||50 heat||

[kind remnant]

Cowabunga

[inner skiff]

Is spear have the lowest dmg ?

[grave storm]

the rail regular has the lowest single hit dmg

iirc

[inner skiff]

im using aspect of Achilles , the attack is feels really low

[alpine ridge]

Achilles is really centered around the massive damage buff from the Special so you should be doing that all the time, that'll increase the damage by a lot

[rich osprey]

zooming around :)

[restive portal]

Achilles is my go to for cast builds.

But the other spear aspects are a bit meh

[rich osprey]

hades is fun, just hammer reliant on getting quick spin charge

[knotty rune]

gy is the same way

[gritty vigil]

Base zag spear mains where

Not one but still

[grave storm]

I play it on and off

[hot horizon]

Why do calls randomly trigger when using Steam Link or Moonlight?

[kind remnant]

Idk what that means lol

[hot horizon]

And it just randomly gave Dusa a gift.

[wanton crypt]

How do you get more titan blood?

You mean

[gray haven]

Styx shop also has a 50% chance to have a Titan Blood for sale.

[wanton crypt]

It resets everytime?

Cause I’ve completed the game

[gray haven]

Can also trade with the broker.

[viscid notch]

Spoilers

[wanton crypt]

This game-

[viscid notch]

Plenty of spoilers

[gray haven]

Oh, I thought this was #h1-builds-and-combat.

[azure tapir]

How much of an iframe does dashing give you?

[restive portal]

All of it, providing you don't attack in the middle.

[broken pivot]

what aspects should i get for booow

apparently chiron is good but im utter crap at it soo

[grave storm]

Hera only needs L1 to be good

[gray haven]

Chiron needs at least Lv.2 to work reasonably well, and only really works well with one build at Lv.2.

Which is Drunken Flourish.

Without that it's basically just base bow.

But it's a decent build.

Hera Lv.1 and Lv.5 makes virtually no difference in normal encounters if you have a good build. The level increase only matters for bosses really.

Good build would mean starting Crush Shot or Phalanx Shot if you're using Infernal Soul, and then getting that to at least Lv.4 ideally before Elysium. Crush Shot is the stronger one and applies Weak, which is great for bosses especially; but Phalanx Shot start is also nice for getting easy access to Divine Dash early on.

Trippy Flare start with Stygian Soul can also be very strong, and you'd also want lots of poms on that. But you really need to find +1 ammo ("Grasp") from Master Chaos to keep up good DPS with that.

Otherwise you'll only have 1 bloodstone, and that... kinda sucks.

And if you used Infernal Soul instead, you'd have to wait forever for the Festive Fog to drop to pick up your Casts again, which also sucks.

Zag Bow is also pretty strong, though, and only requires 5 Titan Blood to max out.

Most commonly you would start Heartbreak Strike and look for Hunter Dash and Zeus' Aid to unlock Smoldering Air (and maybe splash True Shot to unlock Heart Rend. Or you would start Deadly Strike and look for Passion Dash, Heart Rend, and Hunter's Mark.

And in either case you'd want to try to get lots of Attack and Dash-Strike damage from Master Chaos on Zag Bow.

Doesn't tell you what to pick, but I hope it helps you make a more informed decision on what you might like.

First, ||Heat|| is spoilers in this channel. Second, ||no, you won't get all previous bounties. And you only get bounties up to 20 Heat for each weapon||.

[idle sluice]

Can someone please give me advice on what to use Aphrodite for? I find her "debuff" making enemies less strong pretty weak because you want to avoid getting hit at all times. So I wonder what people use Aphrodite most for.

I dont like her Aid or Crush Shot aswell, such a short range shot

I mostly take her passive buffs

But the +Attack/Special Damage % is usually pretty high when taking the Attack/Flourish

But overall worst God imo

That's why I need advice on her

I might think wrong about her

[faint harness]

very wrong

crush shot is one of the best casts if you take it on certain aspects (Hera and ||beo|| mainly), her aid does the most damage in the game, her core boons have one of the highest % based increases in the game and you can get boons that make weak a lot better

[gray haven]

Weak is the best status curse in the game tbh. 30% damage reduction is a lot. "Weak is bad because you don't want to get hit" is a rookie error. You will get hit. Damage reduction helps a lot.

Her Attack and Special have the best % bonus in the game for their respective slots, with the best pom scaling out of the % boons in those slots because of it.

Life Affirmation + Weak can easily carry a lot of runs.

Weak also makes Hyper Sprint even more valuable than it already is.

[faint harness]

I love using Aphrodite on ||Rama||

[gray haven]

Hidden aspects are spoilers.

[faint harness]

👍

[gray haven]

Smoldering Air is a pretty broken Duo Boon that is very easy to get when starting with a core boon from her and basically S tier on any aspect.

[idle sluice]

Damn

Thanks guys

[sand oak]

uwu

[tired herald]

I prefer artemis call over aphrodite though(if given the choice). The single use call actually has a use and with some scaling/crits it easily out damages Aphrodite

[dense sparrow]

How do I get more of the blood stuff to get different weapon aspects? I feel like I just don't get any anymore

[cloud wasp]

The Titan Blood comes from defeating the Furies and the End Boss

[dense sparrow]

I've defeated the furies a few times before but I don't get any

[cloud wasp]

defeat them with different weapons

[tired herald]

Also you can trade up with the broker if you have extra resources

[cloud wasp]

Specifically the Ambrosia

[dense sparrow]

Thanks

[raven igloo]

just got my first few titan's blood, is it better to spread out and upgrade a few different weapons or focus on one?

[tired herald]

I would just focus it on what you like the most and make that more powerful. There is an achievement for unlocking all weapon aspects if that's your thing though

[dense sparrow]

Is there a way to get back titans blood that you've spent?

[drifting cedar]

No

[dense sparrow]

Is there a way to see which weapons you have and haven't beat the furies with yet? Because I'm struggling to get more titans blood

Also, do different aspects count as different weapons? And does using the same weapon to kill a different fury sister still give you the titans blood?

[drifting cedar]

No

[drifting cedar]

Well, the map when you beat a region shows it but its a bit late by then

[celest fox]

You need to spread out titan blood to unlock hidden aspects

But besides that, a lot of aspects are only really good once they are max or near max upgrade

The hidden aspects are worth it I'd say

And to some degree, like 3 out of 5 of them dont really need upgrades desperately

1 needs them desperately and the other is probably the best aspect in the game overall

[robust sedge]

is there any reason why in every run it feels like a can only get boons from a certain amount of gods

like for example i just finished a run and i only found ares, artemis, poseiden, and athena

there were no other gods the entire run

and it happens every run

[dusty vault]

naturally the game only offers 4 gods (outside hermes/chaos) so once you get a boon from 4 different gods not more will spawn

[robust sedge]

alright thanks

[dusty vault]

(sometimes you get cases like having 3, picking up a god in a shop, then a different one is next reward)

also can add more gods if you use the keepsakes

[robust sedge]

ok

[celest fox]

You can get all gods but its uncommon

Requires specific circumstances

You can ignore gods but if you take their boon, I think you're stuck with them

[kind remnant]

Correct

Purging doesn't counter either, once you encounter them they're in your pool for that run

[robust sedge]

ok

thanks

[open widget]

I feel like I have a ton of “assistance” plus God Mode on and can’t get past the third boss. Am I destined to forever suck?

[knotty rune]

god mode gets stronger the more runs you do

so no

[gray haven]

@robust sedge to clarify things a bit:

When you have boons from 4+ gods, any boon you find will only be from those 4+ gods (unless you use a god's keepsake).

When you don't have boons from 4+ gods (yet), any boon you find will be from any random god. This means the gods you already have boons from aren't any more likely to show up than the others... except

Trials of the Gods can only appear when you have boons from 2+ gods and can only have boons from those 2+ gods. So because of trials, those 2+ gods are a little more likely to show up than the others.

[gray haven]

What weapon aspect are you using, and what's your strategy? Maybe we can help.

Have you unlocked the full mirror yet? If not, maxing out the mirror will make you a lot stronger, so that will definitely help a whole lot.

You're kind of expected to die a lot before your first clear, so that's just by design, pretty much. But you'll get stronger through the mirror, maybe upgrade your favorite weapon aspect a bit, get better at doing builds and also just better at understanding enemy behavior and controlling Zagreus.

The first time you get to Theseus, you probably have like 1 or 0 DDs left, maybe low HP, kind of a weak build...

Eventually you'll get there with 2 or 3 DDs, more HP, and a stronger build. And then you have a much better shot.

[open widget]

I have 2 DDs right now, going for the glowing weapon but I feel like the spear is the best?

[chilly ruin]

^^^, plus as you die more and more you get more and more resistant. my death defiance is at 80% 😅

[open widget]

I don’t use my cast, at all. Ever.

[chilly ruin]

for now I’d say focus on weapons that do the most damage and will get you further

[open widget]

Which weapon is the best?

[chilly ruin]

i use the spear a lot, and my strategy tends to be: yeet then bring it back (upgrade your backstab damage as much as possible), run away as needed (which is often)

[open widget]

I’m always getting clipped when the screen fills with those pink orbs

[chilly ruin]

varies from person to person, although spear is my favorite. really good for long range which gives you time to duck behind things

and backstab damage, my beloved

[gray haven]

Hidden Aspect of the shield, but "best" is really for when all the aspects are maxed, you know optimal builds and DPS rotations etc. So that doesn't really apply at all to newer players.

[chilly ruin]

if you yeet the spear at the source, it’ll cut through the spheres and you won’t get hit

god tier strategy I got on like my 10th run

the shield may also be a good weapon of choice if you have a hard time dodging

but take what I say with a grain of salt, I’m only like 40-50 hours in

[open widget]

My last run was with the shield, wasn’t feeling it

[gray haven]

If you like the spear, I suggest starting Tidal Dash and going for Cast > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat for your damage rotation. Put a lot of poms on Tidal Dash. Try to get Flurry Jab ideally or alternatively get Serrated Point. Exploding Launcher is also decent and lets you swap your DPS rotation to Special > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat instead.

You'll also want a decent Attack early and maybe a decent Cast or Special boon depending on whether you have Exploding Launcher or not, though Cast and Special aren't necessarily so important.

And definitely just keep doing more runs and upgrading your mirror, that will help a lot.

[gray haven]

m only like 1.2k hours in.

[chilly ruin]

iconic

[open widget]

How many completes for 1.2k

[gray haven]

I have no clue lol.

[chilly ruin]

but I agree with nyaanyaa, go for the mirror. you can definitely make it through without ever using your cast, but it’s still helpful

[chilly ruin]

…time to do the math

I’ll do it next time I’m in the bedroom and can see how many runs I’ve got

[gray haven]

lol that includes resetting for a seed for some endgame stuff or resetting early in speedruns when the pace was bad or the build didn't come together, things like that.

[chilly ruin]

ah valid

[trail widget]

Heyy

[grave storm]

hi

[zinc epoch]

What does Fiery Presence do exactly? Deal bonus damage on the first hit to an enemy?

[drifting cedar]

Yes

[solemn apex]

Is there a way to sort of control your build in a run?

[viscid notch]

You can through keepsakes and the last mirror upgrade

Only to a certain extent, you can't control every single thing ofc

[chilly ruin]

did the math, it’s very imperfect
but I’ve done 56 runs (not completing all of them), which means 1.2k hours would be equal to roughly 1,946 runs

also Nintendo rounds hours played to the nearest 5, so it’s a very very rough guess

[zinc epoch]

||I saw on youtube that Meg can help you like a call or something. how do you do that?||

[trail widget]

I've heard people talk about stubborn defiance

But where do you unlock it?

[dusty vault]

Once you u lock the alternative skills for the mirror, swap death defiance

[dusty vault]

||just keep gifting her nectar, and ambrosia||

[trail widget]

I had so much trouble with meg tbh

Took me 13 runs to beat her

[dry mantle]

||Companions! Keep doling out the nectar to increase your bonds with all of the NPCs. Some of them may eventually offer you a Companion.||

[olive kiln]

What is Hermes' || favor || ?

[grave storm]

||Max his keepsake, then talk to him with it on you||

[olive kiln]

Okay thanks

[trail widget]

Which alternative skills should I use?

I got dark regen

And I'm gonna get stubborn defiance when I have the darkness for it, but is there anything else?

[slow ferry]

Stubborn defiance is only better when you take more damage from regular rooms than bosses

[grave storm]

Chthonic vitality is usually better than Dark Regen

[trail widget]

Oki

[rich osprey]

fiery presence is p cool, high confidence once you get, well, more confident in the game where you take less damage, and a lot of the later mirror stuff the alts are good

[trail widget]

Hey! I just got access to aspects and idk what to put them into

My favourite weapons so far are the sword and the rail

[viscid notch]

Well all aspects are definitely viable and you’ll get around to playing all of them eventually

You could say Hestia and Eris are superior than Zag aspect overall

And Nemesis is stronger than Zag sword, Poseidon is a bit different because you usually focus on your cast more, but you still wanna be dash striking etc

Also worth mentioning that Hestia plays differently than other rails, you don’t spam your attacks with it, it’s more of a heavy single target type of weapon alongside the aoe you get from your special or dash possibly

[trail widget]

Thank you

[viscid notch]

You could also watch vods to see how certain aspects are played, although beware of spoilers if you’re not too far into the game