h1-for-new-players

[leaden whale]

I can only beat her using the shield and spam dash and hit with the dash/dash hit stuff

[proven pivot]

Fists

[gray haven]

Sounds like the shield is the best for you, then.

[supple herald]

I have a similar question, but in terms of aspects, because I really want to invest my (very few) Titan's blood in aspects that can immediately be super powerful
From my research it seems Poseidon Sword and Hera bow were popular, any otehr suggestion? I was thinking of Zeus Shield because I like the look of the playstyle but not sure if it needs more levels to be good

[leaden whale]

Imagine being able to use your titan blood

😩

[oblique adder]

lmao

[gray haven]

It's not like you're gonna be able to make the most of each weapon aspect. And if it's not optimal play, it depends heavily on your skill with each aspect.

[oblique adder]

is the spear / trident moveset similar to the sword?

I don't particularly feel like using my keys on stuff I'm not gonna use.

[gray haven]

Hera is as good at Lv.1 as at Lv.5 except for boss fights if you understand how to get a powerful build with it. If you don't, the levels are gonna matter a lot more. If you do Stygian Soul with Trippy Flare on Hera, Lv.1 is the same as Lv.5 for anything because your Cast won't lodge anyway.

Poseidon Aspect is a lot better at Lv.5 than at Lv.1.

[supple herald]

What do you think about the Zeus shield, I'm really interested but I'm worried lv.1 base damage will be ass

[gray haven]

All the Lv.1 aspects do poor damage compared to Lv.5, pretty much.

[proven pivot]

Level 1 Zeus good

[gray haven]

Should be fine with Thunder Flourish, Drunken Flourish, or Curse of Pain on it.

[gray haven]

You need to unlock weapons to unlock all the weapons, anyway, and you need to unlock all weapons to unlock weapon aspects.

You'll run out of use for Chthonic Keys before anything else. They're really just for the weapons and the mirror.

[verbal coyote]

is apollo in the game? 8 runs later still haven't gotten him

[violet meteor]

no

[gray haven]

And then you end up trading in the rest for other things.

[oblique adder]

Ohh, okay.

[gray haven]

And no but yes. All of the weapons are somewhat distinct, otherwise it might as well just be the same weapon. But it's still fundamentally the same game, so some things will feel similar.

[slim pine]

I unlocked my first aspects today

[oblique adder]

Yeah. Just trying the spear out right now. Feels really good. Sword and spear are probably my favourite weapons to use so far.

[slim pine]

They're super fun

I wasn't big on the fists until I got one the aspects

Now I really like them

[proven pivot]

Advice: save the stuff the furies drop, don't trade it in like I did

[gray haven]

Like the shield with Charged Shot plays a lot like the bow, in a way, but there are still differences like your Charged Shot can block while you charge, there's no power shot, etc.

[gray haven]

Nice!

I played pretty much nothing but Malphon for months when they added them.

[slim pine]

I use the the ones that suck in on the special

Don't remember the name

[oblique adder]

I mean so far, the furthest I've gotten is the Bone Hydra, or the 2nd boss. I just really like dashing around with the spear.

[proven pivot]

Talos

[slim pine]

Furthest for me is the 4th area

4th area got me super hard

[oblique adder]

I mean my current run right now is like my 4th run ever, so I guess I'm not doing too bad.

[proven pivot]

You're doing very good

On my fourth run I was still dying to louts in Tartarus

[slim pine]

I managed to get to the 3rd area on my 3rd run, but it took me a while to be able to get there again

[oblique adder]

Oooh.. I just got my first heroic boon

Deadly Strike from Artemis.

I just beat the Hydra!

[proven pivot]

Woo!

[verbal coyote]

best keepsake?

[pastel cipher]

short answer, it depends on what you're wanting the keepsake to do for you

[hidden bay]

If im doing a run and close my console, does it save when i reopen the game

@gray haven

[gray haven]

I play on Steam. No idea. Try #h1-tech-support.

Or just try it out, I guess?

[verbal coyote]

thanks

one more thing, what makes stygius up to par with the other weapons?

the rest seem to have cool traits like the shields block, or the spears range. whats the sword got?

[proven pivot]

Sword hit real fast

Does combos I think

[gray haven]

Probably nothing if you're just looking at base weapons.

It's gonna open up a lot when you get weapon aspects, and well after that, when you have a few weapon aspects upgraded.

[verbal coyote]

okay thank you

[slim pine]

One of the sword aspects I got makes the sword quite fun

[proven pivot]

I got one of those too, beeeeeg hit

[oblique adder]

And I got bodied by the 3rd boss. Damn.

[proven pivot]

Dw, they're like that

[slim pine]

3rd boss is still a problem for me

[proven pivot]

Same

[oblique adder]

I got the Minotaur to half hp, but got sniped by the other guy.

[proven pivot]

Advice: when other guy is targeting you, there's a little pink targeting thing on you, put pillar between you and him and he can't hit you

[oblique adder]

Oooh, so that's what it was.

[proven pivot]

Also: if possible, die to the bull, both because other guy is cringe and because you actually need to die to the bull for other reasons

[oblique adder]

really? okay.

I'll try and do that next time.

[gray haven]

The Evergreen Acorn can help a lot in Elysium.

[oblique adder]

Well either way I need to focus on keys for more talents, since all of mine but the revive are already maxed lol

[proven pivot]

Max the revive

[oblique adder]

I will.

[gray haven]

I wrote some tips for the fight if you read down from here: <#h1-for-new-players message>.

[proven pivot]

Also: other guy recalls his spear to him, that does damage too

[slim pine]

Im just focusing the death defiance atm

[oblique adder]

Ah. So similar moveset to mine. Got it.

[slim pine]

Next upgrade is 1000

[oblique adder]

Wooah.. I just got Poseidon's Aid.

Well, don't mind if I do.

[proven pivot]

Pretty much exactly, yes

[ocean basalt]

Little pink targeting thing took me forever to notice, and Elysium got so much easier when I did 🤣

The heroic shades with ranged weapons use it, too

[proven pivot]

^

[oblique adder]

Oh wow.

Cool

[ocean basalt]

Poseidon's Aid is hilarious to me because it makes Zagreus suddenly handle almost exactly like Sir Gilman from Pyre

(and I was never any good at aiming him, either! RIP)

[oblique adder]

Yeah, I can't really see the gauge because of the tv I'm using, some of it is cut out.

so it kinda sucks, but I try and just guess when I have it and use it.

[gray haven]

Could you report that in #h1-tech-support?

[oblique adder]

Nah, it's not a game issue.

it's the TV, i have the same problem with other games too.

[compact trout]

Which one is it? You might be able to adjust the aspect ratio

[gray haven]

It just might be a rare issue that goes unreported in other games. No harm in reporting it, maybe they can find a fix and patch it.

[oblique adder]

True.

[flint saffron]

Going back in.

Had to take a short break after my controller death.

[leaden whale]

I’m attempting to build varatha, but Idk what boons to get

What I mean is: I’m new to the game and haven’t hax much experience with a rougelike before

[ocean basalt]

There's a beginner's guide to basic builds for each weapon in the pins for this channel!

(And fwiw I've found that I really like the Poseidon boons with the spear, but everyone's playstyles are different)

[proven pivot]

I've found the spear is kinda meh in base form

I personally find the spear kinda meh always, but a LOT of people like one of it's aspects

[ocean basalt]

The nice thing about this game is that it encourages trying new things, playing around, and discarding them without much fuss if they don't work out.

[proven pivot]

^

[ocean basalt]

There's always the next run! (And you always come home with something nice for your trouble, even if it's just a handful of Darkness or gems.)

[leaden whale]

Poseidon might be my favourite set of boons so far. Randomly stumbled on to a lot of his stuff that enhances the dash boon and it was hella fun

[leaden whale]

Same tbh. I like posiden for my primary sttack and aphrodite for my special, dionysis for my ranged and then ares for my dash

[oblique adder]

Oh wow, so it's not just me who likes poseidon with spear lmaoo

[ocean basalt]

Poseidon dash with some juicy add-ons is so much fun in the cramped late-game chambers

[oblique adder]

poseidon dash is probably my favourite thing so far, honestly.

[ocean basalt]

Zoom zoom zoomity zoom, splat splat splattery splat, DING! Encounter cleared.

[oblique adder]

yes. Especially with spears dash attack.

I especially like having doom or something on my spear with that, just for that extra damage after the initial combo.

[ocean basalt]

If you've got a good cast, you can lob it into the thick of things first, then start dashing around and clear the chamber in like 2.5 seconds sometimes.

Feels good.

[oblique adder]

See, I don't really use the cast as much.

Maybe I just haven't found any good boons for it, but it doesn't feel very useful.

[ocean basalt]

Yes! I took forever to start using cast because it felt so useless.

[compact trout]

Cast gets better with mirror upgrades, and gets easier to know when to use with experience

[ocean basalt]

Then I discovered Trippy Shot. 🥰

[oblique adder]

Hmm. I'll see if I can use it somehow. I'm using bow right now because of the extra 20% darkness bonus on it.

[ocean basalt]

And then I discovered ||Ice Wine||. 🥰 🥰 🥰

[oblique adder]

Wait what the heck..

I just completely destroyed the two bomb throwers in Tartarus, like the golden ones. It was much faster than using sword/spear for some reason.

[ocean basalt]

To avoid spoilers, let me just say there's a duo boon later in the game that turns your cast into a screeching vortex of damage and stat effects that deploys instantly wherever you click.

[oblique adder]

What? That sounds sick.

[ocean basalt]

Like, anywhere on screen. Instantly. No trajectory or aiming.

It's my true love, I'm so biased for it 💕

[oblique adder]

How would that work on console though?

[ocean basalt]

I have no idea, I've only played keyboard/mouse 😅

[hidden bay]

What are you talking about?

[oblique adder]

Oof, guess I'll have to see for myself when I find it.

for now though, bow is pretty fun to use without power shot. I think I prefer it without tbh.

[hidden bay]

I have a problem defeating Theseus

And Minotaur

[ocean basalt]

Welcome to the club! 😁

[hidden bay]

Haha

Fists wont do it for me

[oblique adder]

Yup. I already died twice on them.

[ocean basalt]

You are not even slightly alone, they're memetic run killers.

[hidden bay]

3x for me, started yesterday

[oblique adder]

tbf, this is my 6th ever run, so it's to be expected I get stuck somewhere

[hidden bay]

I have no luck in boons and dunno which weapon to use

Bow and fists dont do it for me at all

[oblique adder]

Try spear?

[ocean basalt]

Learning their attack patterns helps a lot! Once you know when to dodge/stay back and when to attack, they get so much easier.

[hidden bay]

I know Minotaurus one, but they hit me too hard while I deal almost no damage

No death defience either

[ocean basalt]

Ahh, you need Darkness, then.

[hidden bay]

I need to deal more damage and have some range

Theseus is easy to dodge

[ocean basalt]

Build up your Mirror stats and it'll take you a long way. Hades isn't a game that most people can zip through, it's designed for a lot of runs.

[slim pine]

Just got my ass kicked by the final boss

[oblique adder]

F

[hidden bay]

I need 30 keys for next 2 mirror upgrades

[slim pine]

Same here

[hidden bay]

Had it since yesterday 😅

[slim pine]

Same here again

[ocean basalt]

You're supposed to fail and fail and fail and try again, that's a major theme of the game. I felt a lot better once I realized that 😅

[oblique adder]

I'm ngl, I'm really liking ||Myrmidion Bracer|| right now.

[ocean basalt]

Also, hi and welcome! Is this your first Supergiant game?

[hidden bay]

For me it is 😀

[slim pine]

My first was Bastion, then Transistor

[oblique adder]

First one for me too.

I played this a little on PC, but refunded cause I didn't see myself playing much. And now it's on xbox (and free).

[hidden bay]

Is the Pharao gun worth it?

[gray haven]

If you're struggling with King Theseus and Asterius, take the Evergreen Acorn into Elysium.

If you aren't already doing that.

That will tank a lot of damage.

[oblique adder]

If I'm using the sword, what boons should I go for? Like from what Gods?

[median breach]

Similar question but for the spear from me

[gray haven]

Have you two looked at the pinned Newbie Build Guide?

[oblique adder]

Uhm, that's a big no from me.

I'll look at it after this current run.

[knotty rune]

its a pretty underwhelming guide

that just says "rely on attack and dash strike" for every weapon

and then lists the same few boons, that are just basic buffs to attack and dash

id probably look around youtube for some good guides

that demonstrate everything they mention, talk about the different hammers

the idea is
sword / spear / shield / bow (high damage per hit) = aphro, artemis, athena, posei (% based buffs)
fists / rail (low damage but very fast) = zeus, ares, dio (flat damage buffs)

[gray haven]

[compact trout]

so like.. the same as the guide?

[knotty rune]

yep

[compact trout]

I mean its a basic newbie guide, theres a ton to the game

overwhelming them wont help

[knotty rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/575509065627860995/876168634945392670/unknown.png

what about underwhelming them

😔

[gray haven]

Okay then.

The guide is literally for beginners who just started the game. I've written a lot more in-depth guides. This guide is not for that.

[knotty rune]

to me a newb guide should be like
-describing the attack, special, and dash strike, and what theyre used for
-listing the top 5 hammers for it
-the best few and worst few gods
-good starting keepsake

[gray haven]

Then write one.

Like that.

[knotty rune]

while briefly explaining the reason for everything, like what gods are good

[gray haven]

That's not the idea of the guide.

[knotty rune]

that might not be a bad idea

[gray haven]

The purpose of the guide is to give newbies a couple core boons they can't go wrong with and from which they can explore everything on their own knowing at least the most important pieces of the build are doing the job.

Considering a lot of new players appreciate it a lot, it seems to be doing its job.

[knotty rune]

actually it seems like youtube is pretty short on weapon guides too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5RCbZUYdXA

idk about 25 minutes for a single weapon

and parts might be outdated too

[gray haven]

What's your issue with 25 minutes?

[knotty rune]

uhh, i mean balance i guess

we were just talking about overhwelming / underwhelming newcomers

[oblique adder]

I just fought one of Meg's sisters. Is this gonna be a normal thing? Like it changes around which Fury you fight?

[knotty rune]

i think like 5-7 minutes

not too heavy on the aspects

would be ideal to just show people when they ask

[compact trout]

Yes

[oblique adder]

Huh, cool.

[knotty rune]

guess who its gonna be before each fight

[compact trout]

Zag has some dialogue when you get in the fight where he bets with himself on which one it'll be

[knotty rune]

if i was a new comer i probably wouldnt want to watch a full 25 minute video breaking down a single weapon

but overall that does seem to be the best vid on the subject i could find quickly

[gray haven]

Haelian's guides are great. He was the #1 Hades player for most of Early Access. He knows what he's talking about.

[knotty rune]

haelian and jawless paul are the 2 i watched when i first started yeah

[gray haven]

I don't really know what problem you're trying to solve here, anyway.

[knotty rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBirv0RRG4U

and this one is very good. more games need guides like with

with top players just breaking down every choice

i dont really theres any problems tbh

this game is very good about teaching you things naturally as you just do more runs

[compact trout]

I'm also not sure what you're getting at, I'm confused

[gray haven]

He has a playlist for his guides, yeah.

I recommend it often.

[grave storm]

imo beginners should just be told "try every button combination and note what they do" and figure things out for themselves, then when they get a good feel of everything, they can take up additional advice much more quickly

[oblique adder]

This is exactly how I am using shield right now.

I'm pretty much mashing every button that attacks hoping it will work lol

[knotty rune]

theres very different types of beginners for sure

so im just surprised at how few popular beginners guides there seems to be circulating around

[grave storm]

yeah I know beginners who are terrified with trying anything unless someone is there to handhold them through

as a faceplanter I got my first credits before looking at speedruns, never regretted it

[oblique adder]

And somehow I just got through Asphodel on my first try with Shield.

[knotty rune]

im the type of beginner who doesnt take anybodys word for it, and is only really receptive to guides if they explain the reasons why

otherwise its just like okay you said this thing is good, i still have no idea why its good though

so all i can do is just copy what you said to do

which doesnt really fit my experimental pace

[grave storm]

if you hold down attack, you can block attacks from the front, and also adjust block direction by the movement controls (so arrows/joystick)

on not-Zeus, throwing the special disables regular attack until the shield comes back to you

[oblique adder]

Oh I know. It helped me block most of Hydra's attacks.

[knotty rune]

nice

[oblique adder]

Now that I'm in Elysium, I have one more revive left. Just gotta hope it's enough for the boss lol.

[hidden bay]

Pharao gun is easy to use and deals alot of damage

[knotty rune]

theres a few ways to replenish your revives in elysium

so you can get lucky

check every well of charon for sure

i think it costs 200 gold to restore

so its worth saving up

[gray haven]

We were repeating the same very basic recommendations for different aspects when 1.0 came around, so I compiled the very basics of the meta at the time while staying away from telling people what hammers to take and stuff to encourage experimentation. And so we could just point new players to that instead of repeating ourselves. That's what the Newbie Build Guide is.

Guides that are only for the base weapons have little relevance to experienced players with access to all weapon aspects at max level, and guides for max level aspects have little relevance for new players. Speedrun builds for experienced players just lead to many quick deaths for new players. Builds that lead to easy wins for newbies are unnecessarily weak in DPS for more experienced players... if you explain too much, you bore experienced players and take away a lot of the discovery and experimentation from newbies... there are a lot of factors to consider when writing guides.

[knotty rune]

yep. also id add if you explain too little you risk players just being confused by the recommendations

[gray haven]

Kiss of Styx is 200 obols, yeah.

[knotty rune]

everything is a balance, so imo there should be more guides pinned than just one

but i cant even find that many weapon based beginners guides just from searching around

which is pretty strange given the games size

[oblique adder]

Yeah I have 200 now, so just gotta hope I get lucky.

[knotty rune]

i dont think you actually need to get that lucky

it seems like a pretty common occurrence if youre missing a revive

recently ive always been able to find it in just 1 reroll

[oblique adder]

huh. Alright.

[knotty rune]

idk the exact rate but ive seen it offered most times when i needed it

[oblique adder]

And I died to the bull, even with that revive.

[knotty rune]

just think of it like getting embraced by Than

and suddenly its okay

[oblique adder]

yup.

still sucks though. Everything in Elysium is so tanky compared to the 2nd area.

[proven pivot]

isn't that just the optimal way to play the game 90% of the time? Unless you get a really good cast build that's probably the ideal way to play the game AFAIK

[knotty rune]

in terms of minmaxing dps it is

if youre playing on console though i wouldnt recommend it

it can hurt your fingers a bit, and executing the bow dash strike in particular is pretty tough

dash strike spam works best on pc by a ton

[proven pivot]

I can't even really pull off the bow dash on keyboard tbh

[knotty rune]

yeah i think its pretty insane to recommend dash strike bow spam to new players

it took me like 5 minutes of practicing that on skelly on my switch

to do it with any consistency

[proven pivot]

I'd agree, but for some reason people keep telling me it's the ideal way to use the bow

[compact trout]

significantly faster draw time is worth the lower damage

[knotty rune]

dash striking is pretty huge on the sword atleast

so id rec it there

[dusty vault]

And is not that hard to boost the damage of dash strike

[knotty rune]

for fists and sword its pretty huge, for bow its good but just a very advanced technique on a controller, and spear its whatever tbh, shield its worth it, not as good as sword, and then i dont even think rail can do it

[compact trout]

rail 100% can and it fires a lot faster when you do

[oblique adder]

Is ||Old Spiked Collar|| a crutch? With the extra HP?

[dusty vault]

Nah, is def a good keepsake when starting the game tho
That extra hp is nice

[oblique adder]

Ah okay. I'm using it currently.

I am also new, so it makes sense lol. 10th escape attempt now.

[spiral pecan]

I used it up until I got the 50 hp from the mirror

[grave storm]

that and Skelly's tooth are great for earlygame (and sometimes even late!) survival

[oblique adder]

Ooh, I guess skelly's tooth will be my next unlock then.

[prime cloud]

I’m new and playing on PS4 and trying to shareplay with my friend so that she can watch but it keeps erroring out. This only happens with Hades, and other games work just fine

[faint umbra]

the devs are aware of that issue apparently

[faint wave]

how do i spend titan blood

[maiden ruin]

When you get all weapons you will unlock weapon aspects

And you can spend t blood on that

[oblique adder]

How do you actually unlock the last weapon?

[faint wave]

where do i go to spend blood on aspects?

[maiden ruin]

Check pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion

[maiden ruin]

When you unlock all weapons go up to the weapons and interact with them

[slow ferry]

You have to do a run between unlocking all weapons and giving them blood

[sturdy timber]

Should I unlock more skills in the mirror first or weapons with my keys?

[slow ferry]

If you have a bunch of spare darkness you should unlock more mirror

[charred lion]

When/where can I use the blood to upgrade my weapons?

[slow ferry]

After you have every weapon, and then do a run, then when you select a weapon, select it again to see the aspects menu

[charred lion]

Thank you!!

[oblique adder]

I finally did it. I finally got past Elysium.

[knotty rune]

[oblique adder]

Man that was tough. Somehow didn't die a single time though.

[charred lion]

That’s what I’ve been struggling against. Killed the Minotaur this last run, now to get em both

Huge difficulty spike there for sure, much more difficult than the prior boss

[oblique adder]

Wait.. since I'm not fighting ||Cerberus|| I have to fight || Hades right?||

[leaden whale]

There's only one way to find out!

[maiden ruin]

Maybe

[oblique adder]

Oh lord.

this might be the end of my best sword run, if so.

[leaden whale]

I'm rooting for you

[oblique adder]

welp, here we go.

Yup. Fail.

honestly, I got past Elysium. I'm happy enough as it is.

[leaden whale]

I feel you on that the ||boss at the end of Styx|| is a roadblock for me now but getting out Elysium unscathed always feels great

Spoiler is safe if you didn't see the boss, I was extra careful

[oblique adder]

I didn't die on it at all, maybe if I had 1 more revive I would of been able to make it.

but, yeah. Not much could of been done. New boss, new moveset.

[leaden whale]

For sure, I feel like filling out the mirror is going to increase the chances of successful attempts massively.

[oblique adder]

I already have 2, I'm just maxing everything else out.

[leaden whale]

It's a wild fight though, I'm still getting to grips with it. I've got my DD/mirror maxed out now but I need to find more keys to open up it more I think.

[oblique adder]

I feel like most of the attacks are easy to dodge, I just get greedy.

[swift crest]

thick skin is a very useful one to unlock

Changed my runs completely

[leaden whale]

That's the long and short of it. For me at least, it's a war of attrition as my damage doesn't tend to be high so I've got to keep myself locked in to being sensible. But my brain likes to go unga bunga so here we are haha.

[leaden whale]

I'll keep an eye out for it. I don't think my mirror has that one just yet

[swift crest]

yeah, when maxed it gives you +50hp

Tartarus and Asphodel are a breeze with that upgrade

[leaden whale]

Yeah I definitely don't have that available, I'll be maxing it as soon as I can though. Takes so much pressure off deciding to go boon or health as I progress!

[swift crest]

yeah, true dat

[leaden whale]

Excited to give the aspects a go at least, Chiron looks cool for bow. Makes for a different playstyle to what I've used with it so far

[swift crest]

watch out for that

chiron is one of the best aspects when maxed out

low level chiron is a pain to play with

If you like the bow, go with hera or zag aspect

I can also recommend the nemesis aspect on the sword

[oblique adder]

I'm trying to get keys right now for the last weapon.

[leaden whale]

Ah okay that's good to know, I would have wasted my titan blood there oops. I'll check out Hera/Nemesis - Zag bow seems like just a built in Artemis boon

[swift crest]

zags bow only needs 5 blood to max out, but the it has nothing special for it

[leaden whale]

Keys seem to be pretty generous, I find 2-3 a run and make a point of taking them.

[swift crest]

with hera you can do a bunch of nice cast builds

I liked poseidons cast because of the explosion damage

[oblique adder]

Yeah..

[swift crest]

but ares and others are also great

[oblique adder]

This run hasn't been very successful ngl, died once to one of the furies.

[leaden whale]

That switch up was brutal on me, ruined a couple of runs I had.

[leaden whale]

Okay you've sold me, any excuse for Poseidon buffs. His dash is my absolute favourite thing in the game

[swift crest]

haha

yeah, poseidons cast is underrated imo

many people dislike his boons

[maiden ruin]

Not really

[leaden whale]

It's unga bunga how can anyone dislike it? If there's walls nearby it's RIP for everything.

[oblique adder]

If I give up a run in the middle of it do I keep the keys I've gotten during it?

[proud salmon]

I like his cast… add in rupture and bam!!!

[maiden ruin]

No

[proud salmon]

No I think you lose it all

[swift crest]

yeah

And his duo with zeus is also really nice

[proud salmon]

It’s like I have a flipping water grenade

[oblique adder]

Eh, if I die I should keep it. Hopefully.

[swift crest]

just keep on playing

[proud salmon]

Go yolo all out man, sometimes things can really change later

[swift crest]

maybe you'll find some darkness or sth

[proud salmon]

It’s why I play aggressively, even if I die I get something to keep

[swift crest]

I play aggressively and never get punished for it lmao

[proud salmon]

Well everybody plays differently even if it’s a little bit

[swift crest]

only difference is when I play the gun

Then I'm like

[leaden whale]

Don't think. Press buttons.

[oblique adder]

Well either way, time to get 4 more keys.

[oblique adder]

My playstyle in one statement.

[leaden whale]

A man/woman after my own heart!

[lament horizon]

Hi, i bought hades on steam a while back and fell in love with it immediately, but i have a few questions.

1. I learned about the ||secret|| ||fight|| ||with|| ||charon||, how do you access it

2. Why does everyone play with gamepad, i have tried it and easily prefer keyboard and mouse

Sorry for interrupting the conversation, but i need answers

[proud salmon]

I press button, they die… most of the time.

[swift crest]

you need those gates

ugh

how were they called?

[maiden ruin]

||you can fight charon after you kill the final boss||

[lament horizon]

Ok thanks

[swift crest]

right, erebus gates

[proud salmon]

Cause I like it? Not saying keyboard is bad but I’m used to controller after 28 years of gaming. Hades just feels right. Especially with pro controller

[dusty vault]

I think you need to spoiler mark ||charon fight||
About controller vs mouse, just matter of prefference

[swift crest]

You can unlock those for 5 gems

atleast afaik

[slow ferry]

Yeah I've never learned to use controllers and hades is fine on keyboard

[lament horizon]

Ok i did thanks for the warning

[leaden whale]

Just personal preference, I'm sure there's god like players using set ups

[lament horizon]

Yeah i set special to right click so its easy to spam 🙂

I also like the accuracy of using a keyboard and mouse especially with gun or bow

[swift crest]

I got the same accuracy on controller

But eh, I play on switch anyway, what do I know

[leaden whale]

I feel like aiming on controller is super brain dead most of the time it locks me on to what I want to shoot at anyway with the bow. No complaints from me.

[oblique adder]

Got 2 keys per tartarus run, now I got 0. bruuuh. Then it comes up as the first 2nd area item lmao

[charred lion]

We’ll all it took was complaining here about Elysium and boom beat it the next run

[proven pivot]

Elysium, more like Elamesium

[oblique adder]

Elysium more like damage sponge

[knotty rune]

complaining on discord solves everything

[oblique adder]

Lmao true

After you unlock all weapons how do you access the aspects and stuff?

[proven pivot]

Select the weapon after equipping it

[oblique adder]

Wait wdym by select? Like at the same place where you pick it up?

[proven pivot]

Yes

[oblique adder]

It doesn't seem to do anything. I have all the weapons unlocked..

[dusty vault]

Did you do a run after unlocking all weapons?

[oblique adder]

No. I'm doing one right now with the last weapon. I'm not particularly fond of it though, I'm not gonna lie.

I might try and beat one of the Furies and just let the run go.

[dusty vault]

Gl, rail can be rough to use at the start tbh

[oblique adder]

It just feels clunky compared to the sword, shield or spear.

[slow ferry]

Yeah you gotta reload it and everything

There's learning you have to do with it, just like the bow

And to some extent the other weapons

[split tundra]

Is there an accessible source for builds for each weapon and aspect, like a website or spreadsheet or something?

[slow ferry]

Check the pins for a beginners guide

[oblique adder]

I can't use bow either, ngl.

[split tundra]

I'm like a dozen runs in, still having fun experimenting and all but having trouble with Theseus and Asterius so it'll be good to check more optimized stuff later

[slow ferry]

Bow is famously hard to learn

But you'll get it, if you keep at it

[oblique adder]

meh, I'd rather just stick with my trusty sword.

[split tundra]

Thanks, just saw it. Actually checked the pins for the Builds section but not here

[slow ferry]

I think the easiest thing to learn with the gun is using the special. If you can get a hammer that makes the special better and a boon that makes the special hit harder, it's fairly easy to use

Comparatively i mean

[dusty vault]

Starting the game i never played rail unless triple bomb was the starter hammer

[oblique adder]

Oh yeah, I have the aspects now.

Heck yeah.

Now I gotta figure out the good aspects lol

[dusty vault]

il say to unlock what sounds fun to you
Some aspects really want to be maxed quickly to be amazing tho

[oblique adder]

To be fair.. aspect of Zagreus seems to be the only decent one right now. Maybe nemesis, but that atk speed and movement speed looks really tempting.

This is for sword, BTW.

[proven pivot]

The hidden aspect for sword is very good

[dusty vault]

Nemesis is fun, after unlocking something and you dont like it you can go to the main menu to get the blood refounded

[oblique adder]

can I? Oh wow.

and I'm gonna guess getting the hidden aspect is gonna take a bit of effort.

So I think I'll upgrade Aspect of Zagreus a few times ( I have 6 blood ) and then I'll go from there.

[dusty vault]

Have fun o7

[slow ferry]

Blood refund?

[oblique adder]

Oh wow, lvl 5 zagreus is fast.

[dusty vault]

Doesnt save until you go to another room so if you quit to main menu it doesnt count

[oblique adder]

hmm.. I might keep lvl 5 zagreus permanently.

but then again, I could go for the hidden aspect, but idk what it does.

[grave storm]

if you don’t trip an autosave you can just quit out and undo the blood expenditure

[slow ferry]

You'll need to spend blood on other aspects to get the hidden aspect anyway

[grave storm]

||much slower but heavier attacks,special attack puts down a temporary region where all enemies are slowed||

[oblique adder]

huhhh..

sounds interesting, but I'm ngl, I think I prefer 15% atk speed and movement speed.

[proven pivot]

||it also gives you damage resist, slows down enemy attacks, and stops traps from hurting you, including magma||

[oblique adder]

wHaT

[grave storm]

^^ right right

[oblique adder]

alllrr, I need that last resistance.

time to figure this out

[grave storm]

Check story discussion pins for help

[proven pivot]

||You also get +50 max health||

[oblique adder]

I'll have 200hp then at the start 😩

[proven pivot]

indeed

[oblique adder]

I have no clue how to get the || fated list||.

[grave storm]

Zag sword is arguably the cheapest L5 weapon since you’re indirectly “refunded” part of the cost much later on

[oblique adder]

so I'll need that, then I have to get other aspects.

[grave storm]

buy from contractor

[oblique adder]

I know.

[grave storm]

??

[oblique adder]

what? Lmao

wait. Contractor?

[grave storm]

You said you didn’t know how to get the fated list,and then said you did

[oblique adder]

nah, I meant the contractor part. I thought you meant that's how to get more titan blood for aspects

oh I have the list.

🤦‍♂️

I got really confused as to what you saying, so that's my bad

[leaden whale]

I have two questions. How do you get aspects and which is best for varatha?

[dusty vault]

1. unlock all weapons then do a run after
2. at least for going zoom achilles should be the best but all are good

[knotty rune]

achilles is probably

the most dominant aspect compared to the other options

out of any in the game

[leaden whale]

Ok

How do I get all weapons though

I only have 4

[knotty rune]

just do more runs

[leaden whale]

Ok

[knotty rune]

i dont mean its the best aspect in the game, just that its monopoly over spear is bigger than any other aspect has over their weapons. along with maybe fists. since rail and bow for example have lots of great aspects.

since the others rely on its... spin attack

[safe kettle]

How do you use titan blood and all the other artifacts? Just had an aaamaaazing run with the spear and made it through elysium, the river and the cerberus area first try. Final boss got me though.

[proven pivot]

You need to unlock all weapons for titan blood

[safe kettle]

👍

[proven pivot]

Also the final bosses name is a spoiler in this room

As for the two other items you get from bosses, diamond is used in the house, and ambrosia is used later game

[zenith swan]

How do we get more titan's blood? I can sense that it is a rare resource since I got one of it only after I defeated Meg.

[grave storm]

Once you complete a run,the game will tell you

[slow ferry]

you get one for every weapon you defeat meg with

[grave storm]

also that

[slow ferry]

and yeah you can get more once you beat the final boss

[ocean basalt]

Eventually you'll start picking up Titan Blood pretty regularly, but it does start out pretty slow at first.

[ember stream]

how do you check what run was your first escape

if that makes sense

[glossy marsh]

You'll eventually get access to a room where the game records all your runs.

[zealous stream]

What is the best mirror setup?

If you have all options unlocked

[sinful compass]

Depends on your weapon of choice!

[cunning raft]

I’m playing on the Xbox. GREAT game. Please no spoilers

I’m using the gift ares gave me after I gave him a gift

It says your next boon will come from ares

But seems to have no effect

[nova rover]

Can I ask a question

About hades gameplay

[hallow orbit]

yeah thats why i dont use them. 🥲 they seem buggy to me before on steam idk why

[nova rover]

I really really really wanna get the game

But I wanna know a few things

Do you pick your weapons before every run

[hallow orbit]

yes.

[nova rover]

So what’s the rougelike randomness part

Other then random enemies and stuff

Do you unlock random skills every run

Or something

[hallow orbit]

yes you do 🙂

[nova rover]

How long is a full run?

[hallow orbit]

they are given to u by gods as “boons” and one that isnt a boon can alter ur weapon entirely.

[hallow orbit]

depends, i usually clear around 20-25 mins if im not rushing (for game reasons)

[leaden whale]

A full run for me (who hasn't beat the game yet) takes around 30 minutes for me to reach the final boss

[nova rover]

How does saving work?

Can you save mid run

[hallow orbit]

yup

[nova rover]

Or is that not possible

Alright

[leaden whale]

It saves when you enter a chamber/room

[nova rover]

Are there multiple dungeons?

30 minutes seems really short for a rougelike

Probably

[leaden whale]

There are multiple yes, it's quick but very fast paced and exciting

[nova rover]

Lets go

[hallow orbit]

theres a lot. there are, um. things. reasons why u wanna clear quickly but that can change depending on your preference

[nova rover]

This is like going under

Okay my last question

How hard is the game

[leaden whale]

It really respects your time to be honest, no crazy 2 hour runs. You can get your arse handed to you and jump back in to get revenge over and over

I'd say it's 7/10 for difficulty, there's a good challenge here but not to the point people would want to punch through some dry wall because of it

[nova rover]

Alright I’m convinced

Wait

[hallow orbit]

its scalable depending on your preferences (at some point). it really is a game that keeps on giving 🤣

[nova rover]

Last tiny thing

How complex is the game

I watched the trailer and there was a part with a lot of text and a bunch of weird items

[leaden whale]

Everything is explained and introduced gradually, you won't feel lost at all - at least I didn't

[nova rover]

Alright

Im buying hades

Thank you guys

[hallow orbit]

best of luck! my thumb is numb

[sinful compass]

It doesn't exactly guarantee it

[hallow orbit]

taking a break rn 🤣

[leaden whale]

No worries, I hope you enjoy it as much as I am! It's basically taken over my life the last two days hahaha

[cunning raft]

Does it increase the chances?

[sinful compass]

From what I remember, it just means an ares boon will DEFINITELY show up in your section of the underworld

You can ignore it and pick another boon room

[nova rover]

I own hades

[sinful compass]

Hooray! Have fun

[nova rover]

So if I have any questions

I can ask here

Right

[sinful compass]

I've totaled 120 hours so I think that's a good benchmark for how long you can expect to play

[leaden whale]

Nice! Yeah you can, I ask loads of questions in here and builds/combat

[sinful compass]

Granted, I think I can play this game for closer to 500 without getting bored

[nova rover]

Wait really

LETS GO

[hallow orbit]

yeah same

[nova rover]

WOOOO

[hallow orbit]

i have never played a game as much as i have with hades tbh

[leaden whale]

Yeah I fully expect to spend something similar here. I'm going for all trophies guaranteed

[hallow orbit]

its so nice. and the script is hilarious at times

[sinful compass]

For the story itself you're looking at ~150 hours for all trophies if you progress linearly

[nova rover]

So far the only thing I dislike from my very limited knowledge

Is the story

[sinful compass]

Maybe quicker if you're explicitly farming achievements and with god mode on

[nova rover]

Because I think it’s like

The main guy just wants to leave hell or something because he’s mad at his dad?

Is the main guy called hades by the way

[hallow orbit]

oh it gets a wee bit more exciting

[leaden whale]

Yeah there's definitely additional layers to that

[nova rover]

I called him hades and all of my friends screamed at me

[sinful compass]

The main guy's Zagreus, yep

Hades is his dad... And also the name of the entire underworld

Greek mythology is complicated, to say the least

[nova rover]

Hades sounds like a prick

Names an entire place after himself

[hallow orbit]

im excited for u to discover things

[nova rover]

I am excited

To play this game

[sinful compass]

(it's the other way round)

[nova rover]

His parents must be very unoriginal then

He should be glad he doesn’t look like the god of war hades

[sinful compass]

Tell that to the titans themselves

[nova rover]

I will

In like 1 hour

[hallow orbit]

good luck!

[nova rover]

Because that’s how long the game is taking to download

[cunning raft]

Which mirror power do you reckon is better

[nova rover]

Thanks

[cunning raft]

The one that gives uou 50% heart when you die

[hallow orbit]

ooh depends, can we discuss it here lol

[hallow orbit]

take the defiance!

[cunning raft]

Or 30% heart when you die but in each room

[sinful compass]

Death Defiance is better than Stubborn Defiance, yes

For new players, that is

[cunning raft]

Yeah that’s kinda what I thought too

I notice that if you try to give up and restart of you don’t start with the boon you want, it keeps giving you the same boon

[sinful compass]

Yep, that's a thing consistent across most roguelites that I know

The game generates a seed when you lose the last map, and it'll only generate a new one if you lose again (or mod your game)

[leaden whale]

or if you win

[sinful compass]

That too!

[boreal furnace]

I beat the game once after ~20 tries but I'm not able to repeat the success
What to do?

[sinful compass]

Once more!

[cunning raft]

How do you get diamonds

[leaden whale]

well what exactly are you struggling with

[leaden whale]

they're a reward for defeating one of the bosses

[boreal furnace]

I've maxxed everything in the mirror
Still no successful run in last 15 runs

[leaden whale]

well, you could try god mode

i had similar struggles and turning it on made me have a lot more fun again

[sinful compass]

They're a reward for defeating the boss of Asphodel with any weapon that you haven't completed it yet with

[compact trout]

Whatd you use on your first successful clear?

[boreal furnace]

The sword

[sinful compass]

If you've beaten everyone else up to Elysium with every other weapon, the only way for you to get more diamonds is a) trading and b) beating the final boss with another weapon

[compact trout]

There are some very powerful sword builds you can try to go for if you have some keepsakes thatll make it easier, same with using ||aspect of nemesis|| for more crits

[boreal furnace]

Guess I'll have to look it up

[cunning raft]

Got it

I keep using the same weapon. Is that also why I keep facing the same fury?

[sinful compass]

Not really unless you've played far enough to encounter all three

The weapon shouldn't have any correlation with which fury you encounter

[cunning raft]

I’ve faced all three

I keep facing the third one now

[compact trout]

just rng, sometimes you get the same one a bunch of times in a row

[cunning raft]

Zagreus has even been saying stuff like “I have a feeling it’ll be her agaib”

[nova rover]

This game is SO GOOD

How do I get the things for the rooms though

The gem looking things

And the things in the training room aswell

For the locks and stuff

[grave storm]

green gem, white gem, or purple gem?

keys you mainly get from doing runs

[nova rover]

Okay basically

I’m looking for things to unlock the extra chambers with

And the things that I’m supposed to give to people to unlock something in the training room

And something to unlock the the golden lock

[grave storm]

like extra fountain chambers from the contractor? that's gemstones (the green ones), you get them also from just doing runs and picking rooms that have it as the reward

the thing you give people is nectar (orange liquid in a bottle), also mainly obtained from runs

in earlygame you only get one item per character, on the first time you give them nectar. there's only 1 exception to this and you don't need to worry about that

the golden lock will come much much later. if you really want to know ||it's filling up certain characters' hearts up to the locked one, then unlocking that when progressing their side story||

[leaden whale]

I am so mega stuck on ||Hades|| every run gets to the fight but I just can't get over the line - 33% HP ||of phase 2 and then I die, it's a routine at this point|| it sucks haha

[graceful nebula]

I might suggest tackling ||The temple of Styx|| differently

[leaden whale]

In what sense?

[graceful nebula]

Well first, How do you usually do it

[lavish harness]

Started playing Hades yesterday on PS5 and I really like it. Still getting used to both the game and the PS5-controller but I'm really liking what I've been able to play so far.

[split tundra]

Finally got past Elysium after losing at the bosses for a few times but man, temple of Styx feels really punishing. By the time I got to the next boss I was practically dead on arrival.

[leaden whale]

I tend to go for the boss rooms and try to save coins for more boons?

[graceful nebula]

Ah

I tend to avoid the boss rooms

And it seems to work for me

[proud salmon]

Keepsakes… keepsakes saves lives… and mirror upgrades

[leaden whale]

Yeah my mirror still has like 2 sections I need to open up I think. I think I'll take a little break haha

[smoky inlet]

question about gifts (the orange bottles), is it worth to keep giving a character multiple bottles or is better to distribute them at the beginning?

[sinful compass]

Let's see... Dash is your friend, avoid damage like the plague;

If you have Burning Blood unlocked and maxed, you should cast VERY often - 50% increase in damage from all sources is a lot! Make sure ||ol' dad|| always has a cast lodged in him - this tip works for enemies in general.

Bring the right keepsake! Good ones for beginners are Tooth/Acorn (Tooth if you have God Mode on, Acorn if you don't). You may also want Charon's Keepsake to prolong the items from Charon's well. If you're using Death Defiance(which you should), the Collar's a good pick as Death Defiance replenishes health according to how much total health you have, meaning you get more recovery out of DD when you use them.

[sinful compass]

You should give at least one to every character in the beginning in order to get their keepsake

After that, who you want to assign Nectar to largely depends on who you like best

I know I gave a ton to Cerberus at the start :D

[crystal star]

Talk to EVERYONE, dont skip the conversations.

[smoky inlet]

the first thing i did was petting cerberus :p

[compact trout]

Collar is a good keepsake to bring too, especially if you're going into Styx with all defiances

[sinful compass]

Good, good, I believe there was an achievement involving that

[sinful compass]

Good point, I'll add that!

[compact trout]

Used collar quite a couple times my first run, really handy!

[leaden whale]

I definitely need to work on damage avoidance, I just want to attack all the time cause otherwise the fight takes an eternity. Just unlocked burning blood so I'll get that maxed.

Where do I get the acorn?

[compact trout]

From ||euridice||

[sinful compass]

It's in Asphodel!

[compact trout]

Not sure if they're a spoiler so gonna tag them just in case

[leaden whale]

Ah, hopefully I come across that room on my next run then!

[sinful compass]

Yep

Also general side note, always enter the ! Rooms

They're ALWAYS good, and they progress the side stories

[leaden whale]

Okay cool! I'm on attempt 13 with no wins yet, is that pretty normal?

[sinful compass]

Yeah

I didn't get my first win until like, 30 - and I had god mode on!

[nova rover]

I always do that

Can I get some general tips

[sinful compass]

The golden locks, on the bottom?

[nova rover]

I managed to get to the 3rd area in my 4th game

[sinful compass]

Go ahead and read that lil passage I wrote higher up

[sinful compass]

You're pretty good to whack the hydra that quick!

Remember that advice in Hades spans a LOT of different things

Some can be specifc, some can be general, and some are neat lil tricks

[nova rover]

I just focus on getting status effect for my ranged attacks

[sinful compass]

Maybe a weapon specific question, or a question on which boons to get?

[nova rover]

And getting boons for my dashes

[sinful compass]

That's a good habit to have!

[nova rover]

Doom is so busted dude

Like genuinely

[sinful compass]

sweet summer child

[nova rover]

I got it to level 3 as soon as I could with spear

And made it stack

Is doom a bad status effect?

[sinful compass]

Yep, doom encourages a tap-and-run playstyle, making dodge-happy players well, happy

There's not a bad status effect in this game, they just occupy different niches

It's a pretty damn balanced game

[compact trout]

Doom works really well if you spec into it or slap it on something you use once in a while

[sinful compass]

Here's a neat beginner build: Bow, and have Dionysus' or Ares' special on it

Applies a ton of status effects on a wide range

[nova rover]

Yup

[lament horizon]

Crit is my favorite staus effect

[slow ferry]

like, marked?

[nova rover]

I used it on the special for the spear

[lament horizon]

Im joking

[nova rover]

It destroyed the bosses

[sinful compass]

I personally adore Aphrodite's status effect because I suck at dodging :P

[compact trout]

Nice

To dragoon, not dissing you defiance

[sinful compass]

Lmao didn't take it that way

Not that I'd mind much

Anyway, some more general tips! Some boons work better on some weapons than others

Aphrodite is a good example

Her boon is percentage based, which means weapons with a high base damage (like the bow's normal attack) can deal high damage with it

But with bow's special, a multi-hit, low damage attack, aphrodite's boons may not be as effective

[nova rover]

I have all the weapons right now

Which one do you recommend

Also which person do you recommend for me to focus the nector on

[lament horizon]

I would recommend bow if you like ranged and fists if you like melee

[grave cloak]

Best aspect for dionysus is ||lucifer||

[sinful compass]

As I've mentioned above, who you give nectar to largely doesn't matter unless you haven't collected all the keepsakes yet!

In other words, give nectar to whoever you don't have their keepsakes yet

[grave cloak]

Wdym busted it's like 200 damage once in a few seconds if you get a good build

Merciful end tho...

[sinful compass]

Hush, let them have their fun

Life isn't always about min-maxing and outputting max damage

[lament horizon]

It isnt?

[sinful compass]

Doom is undeniable beginner-friendly, as is Divine Dash

[grave cloak]

I got to the final boss first time with doom spear so ok

[grave cloak]

Speedrunners:

[sinful compass]

I personally love the spear for both its short and long range capabilities, and shield is pretty nice as well - if you hold down the attack button, you're invulnerable in the direction you're pointing!

[grave cloak]

Divine dash is basically full invulnerability during the dash

[lament horizon]

How do speedrunners choose boons so fast i soend like 10 minutes deciding

[maiden ruin]

practice

[faint umbra]

You are completely invulnerable during your dash anyway, divine dash just makes you deflect

[maiden ruin]

speedrunners have a lot of hours in the game

[lament horizon]

Sounds funny considering they can beat the game so fast

[sinful compass]

Pausing!

And if you meant which power to choose in the god menu, then it's because they already have a build in mind

[lament horizon]

True

[faint umbra]

The game is paused while the boon screen is up, so there’s no need to pause. They just choose their boons very very fast through practice

They know the game very well

[lament horizon]

Yeah thats why i could never speedrun i couldnt commit so much time to one game

At least hades wouldnt get boring very fast

[grave cloak]

Ah yes I'm constantly forgetting that

Still you get rid of dangerous projectiles on screen

[chilly briar]

but when you dash strike it cancels i frames right

[compact trout]

Yes

[chilly briar]

but with divine they remain

[maiden ruin]

no

[chilly briar]

😔

[grave cloak]

Only in hell mode I think

[maiden ruin]

in any mode

[chilly briar]

nah

[maiden ruin]

the only time you have i frames when you dash strike is when you have delta chamber

[compact trout]

Divine dash doesn't really give them back, it has a bigger hitbox than dash that deflects anything near you

[chilly briar]

ah

[grave cloak]

Ok

[nova rover]

Does beating the game quickly do something

[maiden ruin]

it gives you swag points

[chilly briar]

swag points

lmao

[maiden ruin]

bruh

[chilly briar]

hive brain

[graceful nebula]

It gives you happy in your brain

[compact trout]

Going fast enough has a clear message at the end

[grave cloak]

GENERAL KENOBI

[faint umbra]

There are run clear messages for going under 15 and under 12 minutes iirc, and hermes will comment if you beat your fastest time, but other than that no

[sinful compass]

What alma said, yes

Also you get to brag and be happy in #h1-victory-boasting

[lament horizon]

Hey does anyone by any chance have any bow build recommendations

[sinful compass]

Which is reward enough

[grave cloak]

I watched world record video and bruh it's so fast

[maiden ruin]

yeah its kinda fast

it felt like he was speedrunning

[grave cloak]

Under six minutes

[maiden ruin]

yeah

kinda fast

[graceful nebula]

I don't understand how people have the willpower not to sit with Charon for a solid 30 minutes

[sinful compass]

Hhhhrrrrgghhhh

I believe he's voiced by Logan Cunningham, who also did Hades, Achilles and Poseidon, among others

[maiden ruin]

logan voices charon

[sinful compass]

Oh wait no

Yeah

[graceful nebula]

Charon is the best character

Always got your back

[maiden ruin]

bouldy is better

[graceful nebula]

Bouldy is a very close second

Charon is 100% perfect

Bouldy is 99.9%

[sinful compass]

We all know Cerbie is the best boy

[graceful nebula]

Cerbie is third

[compact trout]

[sinful compass]

I'll take it

[grave storm]

*munches popcorn in a corner with my dad simp society shirt

[sinful compass]

||child abuse|| ain't cool, man XD

[graceful nebula]

But you know who the worst character is

||Theseus||

[sinful compass]

Idk, I've a headcanon about him that makes him... Less insufferable

[grave cloak]

Worse than ||Alecto||

[sinful compass]

He's just a very, very good actor for the crowd

[graceful nebula]

So... Dead Gordon Ramsey

[sinful compass]

She's pining for Zag! His sweet, sweet ||mortal blood||!

[sinful compass]

Mmyep

Just crowd pleasing ya know

[graceful nebula]

You can't blame ||Alecto|| for doing her job

You can blame ||Theseus|| though

Always blame ||Theseus||

[sinful compass]

If you look at it from my standpoint, he's just doing his job too!

[graceful nebula]

Don't care

||Theseus|| bad

||Asterius|| good

[grave storm]

I love him as a fictional character, not so much irl

[grave storm]

ironically I've been through it and came out immensely emotionally tired, hence this result

[grave cloak]

Meg does the same job

[graceful nebula]

Yea and you don't blame Meg

[grave cloak]

She uhhh

[graceful nebula]

You don't blame Meg

[grave cloak]

She doesn't call Zag trash god

[solemn cliff]

Stuck on the third boss, but I just had a solid first run with the shield, I think I'll be able to beat him (them) with that eventually

[grave cloak]

I have zero clears on shield

I'm very bad at using slow weapons

[chilly briar]

shield slow?

🚶‍♂️

only ||beo|| is slow

[maiden ruin]

||beo|| has the any ||heat|| wr

[chilly briar]

yeah i dont think slow is the word here

more like

heavy attack

||which is slow but shhh||

[maiden ruin]

just do it faster

[graceful nebula]

Just

[chilly briar]

😎

[graceful nebula]

get good

[chilly briar]

time to do a special only run on ||beo||

[compact trout]

Haelian did that in a recent vid, with the right hammers its not bad actually

[chilly briar]

🗿

[compact trout]

clearly a haelian clone over here

[chilly briar]

sad af

[slim pine]

Last boss has kicked my ass 3 times now

2nd time was close though

[hidden bay]

Any tips on what weapon to use to reach Theseus and Minotaur? No upgrades on weapons

[chilly briar]

whichever one you enjoy

all of them are viable

[hidden bay]

Shield wont do it for me and I like the bow and fists but they wont do it for me

[chilly briar]

just focus on asterius first and then theseus and try to stay behind both of them

[grave storm]

I got my first win on them with bow

[hidden bay]

How

[sudden steppe]

You probably need a better boon build rather than a specific weapon

Any weapon can do it, basically

[hidden bay]

I’ve tried searching up good builds but dont get the required boons at all

[sudden steppe]

It’s depends on your playstyle and boons more than which weapon

[hidden bay]

What do you recommend for the spear?

[sudden steppe]

Load up the Codex, go to the Olympians Gods section and press the button indicated on lower right corner to access the boon lists for that specific God

[sudden steppe]

Flurry Jab Zeus is good, even without the Flurry Jab

Special with exploding launcher is good

[grave storm]

shoot - dash - shoot - dash in a circle

[sudden steppe]

You need the hammers but it’s easier to get than you think

[leaden whale]

What are people’s opinion on Nyx

[sudden steppe]

Mom, before I knew who real mom is

[hidden bay]

And on xbox too?

[grave storm]

?? what do you mean

[hidden bay]

Is it good on xbox too with the aiming

[sudden steppe]

It should be do-able on controllers as well

[grave storm]

has nothing to do with platform, though I do use a controller with switch so it should be the same feel I guess

[cunning raft]

Is it just me or is Doom by far the best boon

[hidden bay]

At Elysium now, second run with the spear

[shrewd yew]

I BEAT FLOOR 3 FOR FIRST TIME

I GOT THE GAME LAST NIGHT

spear is so OP

[faint wave]

What’s good with clusterbombs

[dusty vault]

Any good % boon
Artemis/aphro would be amazing tho

[sturdy timber]

Curious what artifact would be best after you get enough health to grow out of spiked collar? Still trying to beat second boss but clear the first regularly.

[hidden bay]

So im at Theseus and Minotaur now, who do i need to defeat first with spear

[dusty vault]

Go for the bull first
Theseus can be ignored as long you know how to dodge the spear throw

[maiden ruin]

lucky tooth from skelly and evergreen acorn are really good for dealing with bosses

yeah i usually kill bull first

[hidden bay]

And I died

[sturdy timber]

@maiden ruin does lucky tooth stack with the mirror upgrade?

So basically 2 chances

[maiden ruin]

yeah

[sudden steppe]

Yes. Mirror always get spent first

[maiden ruin]

you should also get more DDs from the mirror

[hidden bay]

Got flurry jab now

[sudden steppe]

Go get em

[hidden bay]

I need to screw them up

😂

[dreamy pike]

So I just played for the first time last night and I upgraded the spear to hit enemies from across the room basically. What ability was that? It made life so much easier

[grave storm]

random stuff off the top of my head:
Asterius does grunt - swing - swing, so take the grunt as a cue to get out of the way, or right behind him since his swings don't hit there. mind the shockwaves when he does the jump attack
When Theseus aims at you, there will be a crosshair on you. right before he throws, the crosshair turns red and there's a sound effect. his shield blocks front-facing attacks, but if you throw your spear and recall it quickly, it's guaranteed to hit him once

[maiden ruin]

and after theseus throws his spear at you he will turn around

[grave storm]

the pillars in the arena will block the spear toss

[maiden ruin]

i think thats extending jab

[dreamy pike]

Thanks I’ll keep that in mind for the future. Is there a way to see what builds you had when you won?

[maiden ruin]

you can unlock the admin chamber that tells you how your other runs went

but idk how to unlock it

[dreamy pike]

Ah ok. I’ll figure it out. Thanks for the help @maiden ruin

[hidden bay]

Got Minotaur, now Theseus and Minotaur in a sec

Almost had em

[unreal flame]

Is there a way to know what the various door symbols etc represent? I don't see anything explained anywhere.

[maiden ruin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png

[knotty rune]

an interesting thing about the key is that if you get boon rerolling through the mirror

its +1 boon reroll dice, not rooms

it doesnt say that anywhere ingame

[unreal flame]

That's great, but why aren't these things explained in game? Are the devs just lazy? I shouldn't have to Google things that should be explained in game. The game is amazing, but things like this are frustrating.

[knotty rune]

i think most of that actually is explained

or at the very least is taught at a natural pace

except the reroll stuff and hermes

there should probably be some line of dialogue like "lord hermes? your power seems to be offered every time i attempt to leave, thank you for your dedication" "no problem cuz, my family on olypmus might come and go but you can always rely on me to make it there on time."

😔 or something

i didnt actually know that blue reward rooms cant reroll into boons that makes room rerolls even worse than i thought, and makes what i explained about the key bonus even better

[dusty vault]

i think it was pretty obvious the fact that if you are using the boon reroll the keys would give you boon rerolls

[sudden steppe]

To encourage experimentation, I guess

[grave storm]

I kind of just figured out what the symbols meant by myself since what's on the door is what you get

[sudden steppe]

“Go try all the doors!”

[grave storm]

TBT my blind first stream where I just got my mother to pick which door to choose

[sudden steppe]

It’s not that bad, tbh

Although, I must say, the laurels do need to be explained

[grave storm]

the things that I think could have been better explained are the blue vs gold laurels, and the reverse side of the mirror

[knotty rune]

it literally says in the item description +1 room reroll, when it couldve said +1 room/boon reroll

[sudden steppe]

This

[knotty rune]

it took me a couple runs of getting confused by key pickups to figure that out

[grave storm]

can't speak for keys since I learned that from speedruns

[knotty rune]

theres alot of things that while they arent explained, theyre not so essential to know, so you can just figure it out whenever

like how theres 2 shops offered per biome

or always 2 hermes and hammers

[grave storm]

not always 2 though

[knotty rune]

if you visit every shop atleast

[grave storm]

if you roll the midshop that is

[knotty rune]

is the amount of gold you get random?

[grave storm]

from?

[grave cloak]

You can get three hammers and hermes ||from charon shop at temple of styx||

[knotty rune]

gold room

[grave storm]

coins and urns yes, from enemies not so sure

gold room is fixed but can differ from run to run depending on boons

[proven pivot]

It also depends on the difficulty of the room IIRC

[knotty rune]

alot of stuff couldve been explained to you via in game dialogue tbh. the first time you offer a god it should say "thank you for your offering, but dont expect you can use this to bribe me to get higher power" or something, followed by it being scripted that all the boons offered are common rarity

or include that in the entry in databook entry on

[grave storm]

see that kind of depends from person to person since I never expected that

Skelly does explain one keepsake per person

[knotty rune]

no i mean ive seen a few players now think that maybe offering nectar before taking a boon increases its rarity, or its rarity odds

since its changes the color of the boon orb to make it glow brighter and with flashier effects

[proven pivot]

Let's be honest, if it weren't for game mechanics reasons, it would totally increase rarity on boons

[knotty rune]

so if you got an epic after your first nectar

youd might have that assumption

that would be very cool actually

if you could keep nectaring gods even after maxing them out, for just like a generic line of dialogue and a rarity increase

that would make them much more useful in the late game

pairing that with euridicy bonus + a miniboss boon room is pretty much gaurenteed heroic though

[sudden steppe]

I think the game tries to explain it doesn’t work that way by simply just telling us nectar is to deepen relationship with god and just have you get one keepsake per god

Weak argument I know

[dusty vault]

you cant get heroic normally tho
only exchange, eurydice and ||rare crop||

[knotty rune]

not even with yarn?

[maiden ruin]

no

[sudden steppe]

But, yeah, probably needs to explain how it doesn’t necessarily increase boon rarity, it’s RNG myth players tend to believe with what they experienced

[knotty rune]

normally in games you might want to keep the game mechanics separate from the lore

but this game does the opposite all the time

with even things like poms making sense in world

its definitely possible that they left alot of the fine print vague on purpose

to encourage growing the community

since it creates wikis, guides, explanation videos, and active beginners rooms on discord

in a way that a fully clear game wont

[dusty vault]

i fail to see the problem about not explaing that rarity isnt boosted by a nectar gift
is like the "hold a to boost your catch rate" in pokemon , most of the players know is not real but we do it anyways

[grave storm]

yeah that's kind of my point, to have this kind of explanation, the devs would need to expect every potential question a player would ask, and they can't possibly be expected to predict every single question

[knotty rune]

its true that knowing doesnt change much

unless some poor fools nectar people they hate just for gameplay boosts that dont exist

[sudden steppe]

This is modern game design “issues” tbh. Issues as in, for lack of better word, not as a problem. In the old days, this is considered bad design lmao

[knotty rune]

yeah

or well

it would just be in the instruction manual anyways

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png

this would just be a page on it

along with the lore entries in the achilles book

[sudden steppe]

“Trends”, that’s the word I meant

Modern game design trends

[grave storm]

I mean in those days, it (unexplained mechanics) was used to sell game guides (and help hotlines)

[sudden steppe]

True

[grave storm]

ideally with early access feedback you catch most of the faqs and incorporate them somehow

*whispers to the sky "hey devs hire more localization QAs next game :)"

[oblique adder]

I finally have the 3rd Death Defiance. Man this took a while.

[slim pine]

It took me so long

I also unlocked all the mirror upgrades today

[knotty rune]

nice

once i got the 3rd dd

i had to get very unlucky to start losing runs

until much later on atleast

[oblique adder]

Yeah maybe now ill be able to || beat Hades || finally.

if I even get past Elysium in the first place. God I hate that place.

[slim pine]

I have all 3 and I still haven't beaten the final boss

Only got to them 3 times so far