#h1-for-new-players

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blazing trout
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||Common sense dictates that players should just strum it once or twice between every run, and eventually Zagreus will get good enough for the prophecy to unlock. And, while that is true, the number of times that it must be strummed is so high it would take players 50+ runs following that routine. Just know that strumming it over and over in one sitting works as well, though it's not clear how much better that really is than the alternative.||

fresh current
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Every once in a while you should talk to Orpheus too

blazing trout
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^

fresh current
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There are progress checkpoints that need to be cleared by talking to him

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Zag will usually give some kind of unusual dialog to prompt it

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Also your music will literally become noticeably better

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As a prompt

sleek pond
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I used it ||about 10 times every run|| and it took me about ||15 runs to get the prophecy||

fresh current
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It’s somewhere around ||200 strums|| iirc

knotty grail
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Thank everyone!

honest vigil
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Anybody have tips for elysium

blazing trail
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eugh yeah i definitely like SB more than DD

honest vigil
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I keep dying there

blazing trail
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_> SB made Elysium free for me tbh

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the boss is cake but some of the rooms in Elysium are really easy to die in

honest vigil
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I haven't even gotten to the boss yet

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And I'm still not sure about SB

blazing trail
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im gonna do a few more runs with DD but its kinda making me vindicated in my opinion that SB is better

fresh current
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SD honestly may be a better choice until you have 3 DDs unless you feel like going the skelly route

blazing trail
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i have 3 dd and still prefer sb

fresh current
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It’s interesting to hear you say that. SD is usually thought to come into its own once postgame difficulty ratchets way up

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I’ve never considered it’s use for newer players

blazing trail
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sb makes mistakes in rooms less of a problem

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meaning it's more reliable to get to the bosses

fresh current
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Indeed it does, that’s a great way of looking at it. I never thought about it like that

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Doesn’t matter how many DDs you have if you still struggle to reach the floor boss. That’s good logic 👍🏻

blazing trail
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basically ^

fresh current
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I’m going to say that as you become more skilled at reliably clearing, the extra DDs are clutch in the final boss fight, but when still figuring out how to get there consistently that’s a great rec

honest vigil
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I think I'm just going to stick with dd's for now

blazing trail
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with sb im getting to the final boss consistently

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with DD not so much

fresh current
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Do what works then 👍🏻

honest vigil
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Indeed

fresh current
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Neither are bad at all. You’re just the first person in this end of the pond I’ve heard talk about SD like that. It’s very interesting to hear a different perspective on how it might be useful

blazing trail
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it might just be my background. per room death defiance also had me think of stuff like intentionally dying at low health to end the room with more hp, etc.

honest vigil
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Why do some people have these badges next to there health bar

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Was that a reward for backing the game

light grove
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it's an endgame aesthetic thing

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you eventually unlock it

honest vigil
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Oh ok

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Cool

plush ridge
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Also why some people have the giver of the keepsake next to the keepsake

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?

honest vigil
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Hope I can beat the elysium boss first try

blazing trail
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GL!

honest vigil
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Welp I died

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Got the Minotaur almost dead

blazing trail
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my first try i only did like 25%

robust swallow
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Hello, does anyone know how I have to do to play with joystick? I have a Xbox controller and a play controller

blazing trail
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wish me luck, 5th attempt at final bossu

honest vigil
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Gl

cyan vault
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Good luck my dude

celest yew
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Or, if you have a bluetooth device, you just need to pair your controller with it

robust swallow
blazing trail
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i did it :>

honest vigil
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Pog

celest yew
dreamy jackal
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Hey, sorry for the random question, and I assume there's no way but I thought I'd ask, since there's a way to use Cross-Saves on the Switch version (The main way I play the game) is there a way to do the same for PC? Am I missing something or is there just no way to transfer that progress over??

fresh current
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Open that section up on switch and see what it has to say 😉

dreamy jackal
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Oh! I get it now, okay I thought it was just getting my saves from Steam over to the Switch, not just... Overall! Thank you kindly, I'm a bit slow xD

fresh current
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Yeah it unifies them. One save cloud to rule all

honest vigil
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Is one titan blood for 200 gemstones a good trade? I would say yes but I haven't found a use for titan blood yet

fresh current
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Whoa whoa buckeroo

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No way

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Titan blood is for weapon upgrades

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You want all you can get

honest vigil
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Weapon upgrades?

fresh current
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For a good, long while

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Whoop, sorry if I let that out of the bag on you

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||weapons can be upgraded with blood once all are unlocked||

normal turret
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difficult decision ; demeter cast (purple) , demeter aid (white) for duo ( nausia something) , demeter rare crop (white) ...

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😦

honest vigil
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Oh ok cool

fresh current
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How many boons do you have right now

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2 or 10

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Roughly

normal turret
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10

fresh current
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Wait wait, duo?? Nausea??

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Demeter/Dionysus duo?

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Hard pick

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Hard, hard pick

normal turret
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yea

fresh current
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Dionysus cast is one of the better in the game (nausea)

normal turret
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aid than

fresh current
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And demeter/dio duo is great because it removes the only bad feature of it, which is the way it lobs the cast itself

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Take the duo

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Absolutely take the duo no questions asked

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Wait wait, I’m misunderstanding, is the duo on offer? Or are you taking the call to roll for the duo later?

normal turret
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duo later

fresh current
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Ah, I see. Thats a much tougher pick. Though not a bad one.

normal turret
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thanks 🙂

dreamy jackal
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What's more valuable, Ambrosia, or Titan Blood??

fresh current
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Dem cast is weird so I’m going to set that aside. The choice is between call for duo roll or rare crop yolo

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Honestly that one is yours, may your luck be true

honest vigil
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Wow the ||fists|| feel really good to play with

fresh current
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Both are valuable

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Blood slightly more so

dreamy jackal
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The Fists are probably my favorite weapon so far 😄

fresh current
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Dont use wretched broker to trade around a ton at first

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You can maybe trade in one in every 3 or 4 ambrosia you find for 1 blood, as a rule of thumb

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But not much more

dreamy jackal
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The shop in the lounge has a limited sale for Titan Blood, so I wasn't sure. I haven't been able to use any Ambrosia yet, and even though I have 6 Titan Blood, I just dunno which weapon I wanna give it too T.T

fresh current
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Focus on gathering. You likely dont have enough of anything to be really trading around yet

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1 in 3 or 4 ambrosia for blood when starting out, thats all

dreamy jackal
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Thank you for your help and insight! I greatly appreciate it! 😄

fresh current
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Take limited sales of blood whenever possible

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Lemme put that asterisk next to what I just said

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Always check the broker, his bottom most deal rotates with each run

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Sometimes he offers things in the rotating slot like blood, diamonds and ambrosia which are always an A+ buy

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So always check, but almost never buy

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At least for now while you are starting out

dreamy jackal
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He's offering a blood for an Ambrosia and I know both are really valuable so I wasn't sure if it was worth going after? I am in the habit of checking when I can!

fresh current
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So that is the ambrosia trade button

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All items in his shop are static, except the very last thing for sale on the list. That rotates

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That rotating deal is the one to always check for

swift stirrup
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when i use the fists i have to rebind my q to something else

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really tedious to press shift q and a directional key

fresh current
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That ambrosia button will always be there. Like I said, you can trade 1 of every 3/4 ambrosia you find for 1 blood and its a good trade. Thats it for regular trading starting out though

honest vigil
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I hate inferno bombers

fresh current
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Clearing minimum safe distance when you kill them will be a reflex before long, dont worry

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in the mean time pillars for cover and not staying still are your friend

honest vigil
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Aight

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Oh so ||are there three fury boss fights||

iron relic
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Gl!

fierce lance
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ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the first fury is so annoying

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she deals so much aoe damage

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even w my two dashes i always end up taking so much damage withing the first two mins and die

iron relic
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I recommend that when Meg does that effect, just forget about attacking and instead just dash out of the way until the attack cycle is done.

fierce lance
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ok

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i'm using the shield and i try and prioritize things like health regen and long-lasting curses and stuff

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like hangover

iron relic
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Ah is see

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If you like to use curses a lot, then there’s a mirror upgrade that I definitely recommend to go with that.

latent oriole
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Starting each run with Aphrodite's boon helped a lot because I could get weak on my attacks and learn the boss's patterns better

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Maybe that will help you too? But I've never used the shield so idk

fresh current
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Be more patient with meg moistpotato. You have all the time in the world to fight the boss right now, and she can kill you much quicker than you can kill her. Try to learn and pick up on cues for when you need to switch gears from dash attacking and doing damage, to purely dashing to evade which will save you lots of health

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You will switch those gears back and forth constantly in this game, it’s important to know what it looks like and start practicing it early on

honest vigil
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That minotaur miniboss made me lose a dd

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Hopefully I can get to the boss with still one 1 dd

fresh current
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It’s ok

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Do you have skelly tooth?

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You may die, but you will die with honor

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Check every well in Styx that you can. Keep $200 on you at all times in case you can buy a DD back

honest vigil
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Styx?

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I have skelly tooth but not equipped

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Hopefully I find the guy that gives me a free dd

latent oriole
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I think they meant Elysium

honest vigil
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Oh ok

latent oriole
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But yeah, if you don't find him you can buy back a DD for 200 gold at one of the mini shops

fresh current
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Oh, sorry

honest vigil
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If it shows up

fresh current
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If you are in Elysium pray to your deity of choice for a room with “!”

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You can refill all DDs there

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Oh, you know about it already. Godspeed then

honest vigil
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Yeah

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Beat the minotaur

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Now I just have to deal with theseus

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Still have one death defiance

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LET'S GO

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Beat them

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Bruh I have to fight ||Hades||

iron relic
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Its on

cyan vault
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I am often hunting for DD refills in the last two levels. I always keep 200 obols for Styx halls. I honestly feel like third boss gives me more trouble than 4th.

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Athena also has two DD refills available. You can get a fourth from Chaos as well.

swift pasture
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Chaos’ counts as an extra, so if you have all three still, it adds a fourth.

cyan vault
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And refills as such too.

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I guess skelly keepsake would act the same. Kinda wish it was the first one to go unless you were using stubborn defiance.

mighty raft
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If you're having trouble on the final boss, use the acorn keesake

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It provides way more value

cyan vault
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That’s my standard for Styx.

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Unless I did a plume run or something.

mighty raft
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I just got a 25 percent plum(lvl 1 plume), is that good?

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With zag fists

low temple
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I prefer skelly's since i get too careless with acorn

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Yea, 25% dodge is nice

mighty raft
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k

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It was a fun build

fresh current
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Plume will grow with you as you level it up

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Later on in its life its not uncommon to sit pretty around 60% static dodge chance with a zag fist plume build

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It’s great

dusk flicker
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this game makes me feel like im horrible at video games

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LOL

fierce lance
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don't you lov eit when you use your death defiance in LAVA

robust epoch
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Damn

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That sucks

zenith sentinel
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I like the lava for when you're having a bad run and just wanna die

woven stump
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Acorn is the way to go.

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It can be 2-5 death defiance on its own

blazing trail
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hmmm im at 9 ambrosia, and still nobody i can give them to

normal viper
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give them to me

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i have none :(

sudden steppe
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Can we actually get boons from the same god for both attack and special?

misty mural
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I've done 42 runs and haven't beat the game yet, is that bad?

sly vigil
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no

misty mural
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The final boss is just impossible to me

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it does so much damage

sly vigil
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If you can reliably get to that fight, I'm sure your skill will improve. How is your mirror doing?

misty mural
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I think it's good

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I got 3 death defiances plus an extra one and he still beats me

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I'm trying with the stygian blade

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The boons and everything were perfect

sly vigil
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how about the higher tiers of the mirror?

misty mural
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so if I can't beat it with those, I don't think I ever will

drifting island
misty mural
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the only thing that matters really is the extra death defiances

sly vigil
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Also try other weapons also? I'm sure you will get there

old escarp
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If it seems like the boss is doing too much damage (which I mean, fair, it's a lot) then that probably means you need to focus on learning the attack patterns and how to avoid them, especially if you're getting there regularly

sly vigil
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Oh and equip Evergreen Acorn for that fight

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totally forgot that advice

misty mural
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I can't get away fast enough, even with 40% more speed and double dash

sly vigil
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Try Evergreen Acorn from Elysium onward.

misty mural
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If it can protect me 50 times then it would be useful

sly vigil
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it's really not. Acorn is one of the most popular choice for the fight.

old escarp
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It's mostly a matter of math

sly vigil
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you can't really play the game with such a defeatist attitude.

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just have a little confidence that you can. Acorn can help you a decent amount on top. good luck.

waxen basin
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Huh. It really is just attack patterns

old escarp
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If you're finding you can't get out of the way fast enough, then you're probably over-committing to attacks and not leaving enough time to dodge when the attacks against you are being telegraphed

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Take your time and play cautiously until you get a feel for it

waxen basin
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It's just dark souls huh

sly vigil
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to me it sounds like they have a mental block than a skill block

misty mural
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well how are you supposed to memorize attack patterns if he does something different every time?

sly vigil
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he has 6 moves in total I think.

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all things considered, that's not a lot

sudden steppe
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He doesn’t, it’s always a to b to c

misty mural
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well, I don't know when exactly he's gonna use them

sudden steppe
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And then a variation of moves but it’s always a to b to c

misty mural
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Sometimes he swings at me right when I come at him, sometimes it takes like 5 sec

old escarp
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You don't have to know which attack is coming, focus on seeing the telegraph before the attack

sudden steppe
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All bosses in most games are like this

sly vigil
misty mural
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what's the telegraph?

misty mural
light grove
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things like that

waxen basin
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When he throws out a fire ball that means he's throwing out a fire ball

misty mural
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but then the problem is, I need to take the fire ball out but he goes directly towards it. So either I let the fire ball go off or he slashes me

sudden steppe
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My advice here is to just chill a little bit and focus on dodging instead of trying to finish these bosses as quickly as possible

sly vigil
waxen basin
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You can dash through the burst that the fire balls do

misty mural
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ohh you can?

sly vigil
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I usually just straight up ignore the skulls

drifting island
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dashing gives you invincibility frames, so dashing through the explosion properly means you wont take damage

old escarp
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For the record, you can dash to escape any attack in the game if you time it correctly

drifting island
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also the explosion wont cover the full arena, so you can get to the edge to get out of the radius as another option

sly vigil
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Not sure how far you are into the fight but I actually prefer to let the skulls explode most of the time.

misty mural
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maybe I can record trying to fight him

sly vigil
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that can help with diagnosis yeah

misty mural
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I was so excited when I got his health to zero but then he regenerated 😦

waxen basin
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Spoil that

sly vigil
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or watching someone else does the fight also helps.

sudden steppe
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Yeah, recording and watching your own fights helps a lot

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And also, don’t get too nervous lol

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When you nervous, you tend to button mashing and that will get you killed

misty mural
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yea, it makes me nervous getting to him

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I'm more of an artist person that a smart person lol

sly vigil
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the two are not mutually exclusive and that has nothing to do with the game.
it's a vidya. relax. you got this.

old escarp
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Also don't discount how helpful the higher tier mirror talents are

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It might not seem like much but they add up

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Same with Boiling Blood

misty mural
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yea, I have that upgraded all the way

drifting island
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dark foresight in particular is incredibly useful but not immediately obvious at first

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more gold laurel rooms is just incredible

misty mural
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if you forget to give the fish to the chef, can you give it to him after your next run?

sly vigil
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yes

uneven ledge
sly vigil
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Exactly why and also exactly spoiler

pastel cipher
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yo @uneven ledge ||the Hades fight|| is spoilers in this channel friendly

urban hinge
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🤬

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I GOT PAST THE BULL AND THE DUDE WITH A SPEAR

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:)

pastel cipher
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hell yeah congrats klinkHyper

sour coral
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beating theseus always feels good

misty mural
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wouldn't the extra life from the skelly one be better than the acorn?

drifting island
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you'd think so, but acorn usually eats up more than 100 hp of damage

sour coral
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depends really

drifting island
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by the elysium / final boss, they do lots of damage per hit

sour coral
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skelly is always 100 hp

drifting island
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so eating 5 is quite a lot

sour coral
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5 hits CAN be more than 100

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depending on which hits you take

misty mural
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I've already lost 2 death defiance ughh

drifting island
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particularly for the final boss, he does a lot of damage so eating 5 is almost always preferable

sour coral
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you can make the argument that skelly keepsake is slightly more than 100 since damage doesnt overflow between lives

pastel cipher
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broken spearpoint can also be a good option as it's useful against the poison in styx

sour coral
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but i think acorn is still better for final boss

sly vigil
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5 hits are usually about 150ish damage on 0 heat for me

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That's 50 more than Skelly

sour coral
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your build can also change things

sly vigil
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Numbers pulled from my own experience, not some intricate calc.

sour coral
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like if you're running hidden sword and got a bunch of damage resist boons

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skelly keepsake might be more valuable

drifting island
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either way both of them are very useful, its just that acorn is atm considered marginally better

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i think its also very useful for elysium boss too, since its usefulness is before you lose your DDs, whereas skelly's usefulness is after you lose your DDs

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so you can preserve more DDs going into the final boss by using acorn earlier

sly vigil
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Yeah it also scales well into the late late game where ||Hard Labor|| is a thing.

urban hinge
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final boss pog

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hOW DO THEY DEAL SO MUCH DAMAGE

sleek axle
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final boss

sly vigil
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Because they are the final boss dusa

sleek axle
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quite simple really

urban hinge
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unfair

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I got killed pretty much immediately

sleek axle
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i mean it is the final boss

urban hinge
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true

sly vigil
urban hinge
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but now I know that I can get there

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just have to do it again 🙈

sleek axle
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hades is the dark souls of roguelites

urban hinge
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also bow best weapon

sleek axle
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false

urban hinge
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just saying

sly vigil
sleek axle
sour coral
urban hinge
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get false'd

sleek axle
urban hinge
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wait what do I do with the

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Ambrosia

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had to check

sleek axle
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you'll find out later on

sly vigil
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drink it

urban hinge
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how

sleek axle
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mouth

sly vigil
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With your mouth

urban hinge
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🧐

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yum

sly vigil
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Damn I'm being outjoked

sleek axle
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open bottle

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consume

formal rover
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to get the most effect from drinking ambrosia, you gotta get someone else to gift it to you

hybrid hull
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PLS 😭

hybrid hull
long moss
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IK I haven't played in like 2 days

and now I watched 1 yt video and I feel the need to play a game I bought and played ages ago
I am sure I'll only play like 4 additional hours of that game
and I will be back for this game, to 100% it, and try to speedrun it

yk lmao imagine if there was a 100% category
that'd be a 36 hour stream for each full attempt

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maybe 50 hr stream idfk

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but yeah, I'll be back!

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I love this game too much to not be back

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also like a lot of you guys are cool people
so yeah
I like talking with y'all

burnt snow
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at the 35 attempt i beat theseus and asterius HYPERS

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and i managed to unlock the whole mirror

pastel cipher
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congrats klinkHyper

burnt snow
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man this is a great game.

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havent had that much fun with a game for a long time

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when do i get lucky tooth from skelly ?

sleek axle
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Gift him a nectar

burnt snow
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ohh

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tyvm!

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btw, i like your name 😄

sleek axle
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I do as well

spare silo
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which is the worst boons

blazing trail
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i just unlocked ||heat.|| i did the bounties for ||heat 1|| if I want to unlock more bounties what do I do?

spare silo
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it looks like ares or artemis

uneven ledge
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"artemis boons suck"

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all of them are good, it just depends on your weapon/build

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like if you have missing dds then athena is great because she can restores your dds and even buff them

obtuse glen
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Just keep bumping up that ||heat|| for new bounties. That should get you more!

blazing trail
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it won't past ||heat 1||

livid dragon
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||you have to defeat the final boss to keep unlocking bounties||

blazing trail
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oh ok

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lame

uneven ledge
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@blazing trail if you're on ||heat 3|| but haven't done a clear on ||heat 1|| yet, you won't be able to claim ||heat 3 bounties|| yet either. you have to bump it down to ||heat 1|| or just do consecutive clears and claim the ||bounties for heat 1 and 2 and then finally claim your heat 3 bounties on your third run||

blazing trail
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it doesnt give me the option for ||heat 2|| bounties

uneven ledge
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you have to do a ||heat 1 clear to claim those bounties first, then increase the heat to 2 and do another run for more bounties||, then so on and so forth (at least up until ||heat 20||)

blazing trail
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yes i got that thanks to electronic

obtuse glen
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What seems to be the issue with the ||heat 2|| bounties? Like, are they not being awarded when you beat ||meg||?

blazing trail
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no

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read electronic's reply. 😛

obtuse glen
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OH. Gotcha lol

normal viper
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i was so mad earlier too when i discovered that you have to beat the final boss to unlock further ||heat|| bounties

blazing trail
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i was hoping i wouldn't have to so i could just gradually up the heat for bounties

burnt snow
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can i gift nectar more than once to the same god ?

swift pasture
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Yes

burnt snow
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is there a way i can tell if i already have the keepsake ?

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dont want to gift twice

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during a run i mean

obtuse nest
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you get the keepsake the first time you give them nectar

burnt snow
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i dont want to gift a nectar to a god which keepsake i already have. i want to get all the keepsakes first. is there a way to tell in a run, that i already have that gods keepsake ?

tribal adder
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you can check in the codex

obtuse nest
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keepsakes appear in the codex?

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oh wait no im dumb

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yeah you can check if you've given nectar depending on the hearts

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the heart with the ribbon is the keepsake one

long moss
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I am back to play some more

swift pasture
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Just keep playing through Styx

uneven ledge
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||middle management|| should actually make it easier to find and kill all the bosses in styx

wooden trench
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Hey, I've always wondered, why does the ||victory screen|| have a different look sometimes?

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Like themed decoration

long moss
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||what is middle management?||

long moss
swift pasture
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Yeah

old escarp
wooden trench
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Ohh, okay

old escarp
long moss
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||should I know wtf a pact is?
I might
IDK
where do you get pacts?||

sour coral
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have you beaten the game yet?

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if not dont worry about it yet

old escarp
sour coral
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^unless that

long moss
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yes I am

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I enjoy hell mode quite much

old escarp
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Then it's on the window that appears before you start a run. I think it should show up even if you haven't cleared a run

long moss
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does that not show up if you haven't cleared a run and don't have hell mode?

old escarp
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Correct

long moss
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are the things on the right ||pacts||?

old escarp
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Yes

long moss
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||how is a pact supposed to make the game easier lmao that's the opposite of their purpose||

sly vigil
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It shouldn't

old escarp
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It doesn't make the game easier, the person before was just saying it would make it easier to find the missing minibosses

long moss
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||and just to doubly make sure, pacts are what raise the heat?||

sly vigil
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Unless you are speedrunning

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And yes

long moss
old escarp
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Read the description next time you start a run shadethumbsup

long moss
#

that

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that's what I was about to do frankly

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... game crashed when I tried to enter the weapon choosing room with skully in it
it black screened first
then crashed like 5-10 sec later

old escarp
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Oh no! Did a bug report window appear?

long moss
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no

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I would just like to mention
that the ok, infamously buggy, EA game by the name of spore is infamous for crashing constantly
I beat the game like twice and it never crashed on me
I have yet to beat this game it has crashed on me like 4 times?

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is this game known to be crash-y?

old escarp
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No, not at all. I think the game has crashed for me personally maybe once in 2+ years

long moss
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LMAO

swift pasture
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Not for me. I had four crashes early on but haven't had one since then, which is like 70 hours later

long moss
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you get why this is hilarious to me right?

old escarp
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No?

long moss
obtuse nest
swift pasture
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Nah, I bought the game late Dec of this year

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I've just sunk in 99 hours within a month

long moss
# old escarp No?

cuz it's almost like Spore and Hades just like swapped stability for me

old escarp
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It's likely a localized conflict in your specific setup. If it's a recurring problem you can try going through the steps here #h1-tech-fixes message and also verifying the game file integrity/ensuring you have the latest drivers

frail rune
#

If I have unlocked the whole mirror of night, is there still any use for the keys apart from trading them?

swift pasture
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Not unless you want to reset the mirror

frail rune
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Or should I just use them at the trader to just get me some nectar

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Alright that’s good to know.

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Thanks

long moss
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affects*

fresh current
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Wait MM procs in Styx 👀

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Never knew

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It may affect miniboss odds as well pinecone. Lots of things in this game do more than just what they say on the label

long moss
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could someone tell me for certain

swift pasture
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Just take the doors with the skull icon every time

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Those will end in a miniboss if you don't get the sack

long moss
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||does beating meg with routine inspection at max cause a special line to happen, since you do it without the mirror at all then?||

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and since meg complains a lot about you using nyx's darkness and the mirror and that you wouldn't have beat her otherwise?

fresh current
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Yes it does lol

long moss
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nice

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I bet she then proceeds to complain about the boons or some crap then lol

fresh current
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Nah Meg is tsundere. ||she respects it||

long moss
sly vigil
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yee

long moss
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so it isn't there if you haven't beat the game/aren't on hell mode?

swift pasture
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^

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Yep

long moss
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imo from the perspective of being hades, not a game dev, he should've put it there no matter what, and forced it to be at max

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so that you just give up

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cuz this way we can slowly get better and increase difficulty as we get better

swift pasture
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Well, maybe he didn't even think Zag could do it without

fresh current
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If this game is full of anything it’s full of ulterior motifs about “well we’re not supposed to let zag escape buuuuuut”

swift pasture
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So once he did, he added the ||pact||

fresh current
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Including the big man himself

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Yeah that too ^^^^^

long moss
#

with spoilers

swift pasture
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Yeah, oops, typing too fast

fresh current
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I mean if you want to see from Hades’ eyeballs from a second he just ||lets you walk right the hell past him at one point|| so clearly he’s at least a little conflicted with how he feels about your attempts

swift pasture
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^^^

humble ore
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Yep

fresh current
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It’s great character development. Papa knows Zag ||is doomed to fail|| and tries to protect him in his own way, at least at first

urban hinge
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AHA

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I have won 😈

ivory ocean
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congrats!

urban hinge
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Spoiler the final boss name

light grove
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the boss name needs to be spoilered in this channel

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@old escarp silot seems to be afk now - can we get a delete of that message instead then?

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👍

long moss
#

crisis averted
hopefully

paper copper
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Duuuude holy crap.

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The satyrs are a nightmare

light grove
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yeah they're really hard to get used to; the poison is so annoying

swift pasture
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You can deflect it back at them

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Which does more damage then it would on Zag

paper copper
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Yeah I got there twice

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And got trashed both times

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Made it further 2nd time tho

swift pasture
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Athena's boon that helps on traps also works on the poison

light grove
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does it? each tick of poison damage does 1 damage though - how does that work? does it reduce the damage rate instead then?

swift pasture
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Poison stacks, I assume it prevents or reduces that

cyan vault
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Still ticks so fast.

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The worst part of Styx

fierce lance
#

HOW TF AM I SUPPOSED TO KILL ||HADES||????????

swift pasture
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Practice

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And a good build

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If you made it that far, keep trying, you'll get it

fierce lance
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i prioritize health and curses

swift pasture
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Do you have Privileged Status on?

fierce lance
#

um

#

what is that

swift pasture
#

Ah

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Unlock more of the mirror

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It'll help a lot

fierce lance
#

ok

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i spent almost all of my darkness on death defiances

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so i didn’t really try to get new talents

swift pasture
#

Don't blame you, I did that at first

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It helped me last longer to keep getting darkness and keys

fierce lance
#

i always use the shield

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and i like to have curses like hangover on my dash

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and deflect or extra damage on my attack

swift pasture
#

What about your special?

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It's a bit weak but still nice to have that range

fierce lance
#

usually i just increase damage on that or add ares’s curse on it (i don’t remember the name but it’s the one that deals 50 dmg after a second)

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and if i can i either increase the charge rate of the bull rush or the damage to armor/in general

swift pasture
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Yeah, doom on the special is good

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Have you tried the charged shot hammer? I find it helpful, it goes through the shields used by greatshields and Theseus too

paper copper
#

I didn't like the shield much

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Arrows n sword for me mainly.

swift pasture
#

It's one of the hammer upgrades

fierce lance
#

ah

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theseus was so annoying

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the minotaur wasn’t great either, but he was def a lot easier

long moss
#

tfw a miniboss is easier than a normal room

swift pasture
#

"Each rank gives you +20% damage vs. foes afflicted by at least two Status Curse effects."

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So, maxed, you get 40% damage on foes with two curses

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And it affects every thing I think, so even doom or hangover

long moss
#

oh damn yeah for that player they'd get SO MUCH use out of that

fierce lance
#

ooooh

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that’s gonna work perfectly

long moss
#

exactly

#

you love focusing on curses already

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it rarely does much for me lmao

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while trying to 100% the game atleast

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when I start playing to play I'll probably feed it a lot more often

swift pasture
#

I prefer getting two curses, so I find PS very useful

paper copper
#

Theseus & mino was rough, agreed.

fierce lance
#

i need to grind for so many keys @swift pasture

swift pasture
#

Rip

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Good practice in the meantime

fierce lance
#

i need 20 more keys

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if it'll even appear

ornate remnant
#

I was pinged??

fierce lance
#

yeah sry i pinged the wrong person

ornate remnant
#

ahh, okay

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lol

sleek pond
paper copper
#

I really don't like the spear

obtuse nest
#

really 🥺

paper copper
#

I got pretty far with it tbh

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It just doesn't feel as fun to me tho

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Feels less fluid

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I feel equally capable with each weapon tho which is nice. It doesn't immediately feel like any weapon is useless

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Sorry I just got the game and came here excited to talk about it

obtuse nest
#

ah yeah i can relate to that! i didn't shut up about this game when i got it on october hah

sleek pond
#

The trick to spear is using dash strike a lot and putting some kind of longer curse on the special for maximum priv status

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I was bad at spear before I learned how good the dash strike was

fierce lance
#

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I ||GOT HADES DOWN TO 1/4 HP||

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AND I ONLY HAD 1 DEATH DEFIANCE LEFT

swift pasture
#

I just find it fairly easy to go for it so I keep it on

fresh current
fierce lance
#

y i k e s

wooden trench
#

Hm

fierce lance
#

i am in live with this game even tho i suck

lyric quiver
#

You'll get better hypejiggly

glossy marsh
#

Woah, Apparently Asterius becomes a miniboss

misty hollow
#

Becomes? He's always one of the possible miniboss encounters

glossy marsh
#

I never got him before

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Also, I made it to ||The 2nd phase of Hades||

covert egret
#

Yeah, if you beat Asterius in the miniboss room, he'll have lower HP when you reach the end of Elysium

glossy marsh
#

I noticed

covert egret
#

I like those rooms quite a lot tbh

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Good dialogue

glossy marsh
#

Holy Carp: the final weapon is a gun!?

covert egret
#

Yeah, and it tends to do particularly well for speed

sleek axle
#

It is also completely historically accurate

covert egret
#

I didn't like it a lot myself at first but now I'm getting into it since it's gotten me my only sub 10 minute clears

#

Would definitely give it a try!

uneven ledge
#

yeah the goddess hestia did indeed snipe the titans and get sick mlg headshots from 2 miles away using the adamant railgun

sleek axle
#

She also got a sick killstreak

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She killed Kronos with a UAV

livid dragon
#

the titans died because they havent developed a counter against guns.

covert egret
#

Simple: Walls.

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Wouldn't stop the rockets, but it'd most likely work for the bullets

robust epoch
#

Any tips for fighting ||Hades||?

#

I've fought him so many times and never get past him

livid dragon
#

what weapon are you using

sleek axle
#

Walls can't stop drone strikes

robust epoch
uneven ledge
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demeter used boxing gloves to punch the titans so hard even their legacy was destroyed also she was a fan of devil may cry

robust epoch
#

So far I've just been using my cast and running away from him

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And throwing my shield when he's not moving or smth

covert egret
#

Note that when the skulls get stuck in you - the "Boiling Blood" effect - he will deal significantly increased damage. If one of them does stick to you, try to avoid damage more than you usually would. Also, if you hold out your Shield, the circular attacks won't hit you if he's in front of the shield.

robust epoch
#

Ooh ok

livid dragon
#

shield is pretty good but it requires you to have little mobility and very close range to attack him with your bash

#

what cast are you using?

robust epoch
#

Right now I have Ares cast

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The blading rift

covert egret
#

Shield overall is a pretty safe pick imo - got my first Hell Mode win with it on the third run of the file. Just got to play super defensively if your damage output is weak.

livid dragon
#

i'd recommend a cast that deals more damage consistently than ares, unless you have the ares-artemis duo boon that lets it track enemies

covert egret
#

If you're running Ares, consider getting Doom on your Special. Helps a lot in keeping your distance while still doing solid damage.

livid dragon
#

he moves too much for it to be any use

robust epoch
#

Okok

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I'll try that next time

quiet tide
#

|| Can you guys consistently beat final boss on no heat no matter what you get ||

ionic scaffold
#

After you see the boss do the same moves a couple of times, eventually yes you should be able to get a kill in due time

faint jewel
#

I still die to final boss a lot, but I'm usually on ||FO1 ||or ||FO2||.

merry otter
#

What's most important is knowing their attack patterns, so once you have that (and preferably divine dash ron) then yeah you can start branching out with different and more experimental builds

sour coral
#

the game is too easy on 0 heat now tbh :/

faint jewel
#

weird flex but ok

sleek axle
#

i mean after a while you rarely do ||0 heat|| runs

#

at least for me anyways

faint jewel
#

Yeah, there's no real purpose to 0 heat runs is there?

sour coral
#

yeah im just slowly turning heat up on every weapon

worn hawk
#

what does everyone mean when they say HEAT?

sour coral
#

im at 8-9 rn

sleek axle
worn hawk
#

lol ok ^_^

#

cant decide what weapon i like best

faint jewel
#

Reminder this meant to be a spoiler free channel

sleek axle
#

so we should probably spoiler this stuff huh

worn hawk
#

anyway. just starting to really get in my groove. I've levelled out a bunch of other things, but cant manage to get past the top

sour coral
#

youll get there eventually

#

i think it took me 20+ runs before i got a clear

hollow ledge
hollow ledge
#

funny is that after the ending, I can't manage to beat the final boss

#

at least not as much as before

silk swift
long moss
#

censor that pheonix

long moss
#

@silk swift

long moss
#

I have atleast 1 daedelus hammer upgrade left for bow I need to get for prophecy (I could have more)
I have exactly 1 artemis upgrade left I need to get for that prophecy, and I am capable of getting it rn (I have all the reqs)

I have piercing volley (for daedelus to increase chances)
I have deadly strike, hunting blades, and pressure points from artemis (to increase chances of what I want since I can't get those now)

I have adamant arrowhead and this artemis is because of it, so if I don't choose artemis my next boon will still be artemis
my next chamber (the one that could be hammer or artemis reward) is chamber 27
which do I take
I ONLY care about prophecy finishing for making this choice
so whichever is more likely to contribute to a prophecy, taking in the fact that daedelus is rare as well

#

is it daedelus since I rarely see them and because I am gonna get an artemis anyways?

hallow stone
#

The game will usually want you to have two Daedalus hammers by the end of the run so even if you don’t choose the hammer there is a likelihood that you will see it later in the run

long moss
#

but still less likely than seeing the artemis

paper copper
#

Beat than 32 to 2

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And jes like "heh yoy got me but just barely" 🙄

quiet tide
#

Have you guys beaten the boss without any mirror upgrade

#

||On no heat|| is fine too

faint jewel
#

I'm not into that level of masochism.

#

Actually, that's a lie, I do fresh file attempts sometimes which I guess would be basically that, but worse... 🤔

#

Tbh, the boss is not the problem lol

paper copper
#

I couldn't imagine doing satyrs with nothing

faint jewel
#

Note that this is often with sword, too, but I haven't even gotten to Satyrs so far. 🤣

long moss
#

to complete The Gift of Song I just spam "e" at the lyre for an hour right?

faint jewel
#

I just die to ||Lernie||.

long moss
#

yk the prophecy "Is there no escape?" literally exists
why does Hades even try

#

All the gods of all people should know the most that you don't try to stop the fates
What they want to happen happens
there is no stopping it
there is only delaying it, and affecting the specifics
they get what they damn want to happen.
and why delay it when you're the god of death
of all people he and his son zag should have the least existent sense of time.

#

so if it's gonna happen
what's the difference between this second and eons in the future?

#

it's just a few hundred eon difference
like that's nothing

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(lmao)

#

wait it doesn't specify zag
it just says the son of the god of the dead
the son
does hades just not have any offspring

sleek axle
#

He does in Canon Greek myth but he doesn't in this game

#

He has 2 daughters I think

long moss
#

and tbf if someone kills hades in such a way he ceases to exist (which is possible for all the immortal beings iirc, though really damn hard)
or some other similar things
it could actually be refering to someone else
but that would require hades to cease being the god of death
or cease being a god of death that has only one child
because if the god of the dead changes
then zag is no longer prophecised to escape
if he has another child, zag is no longer prophecised to escape
and if hades has another child, he literally creates a sub prophecy that he will cease to be the god of death

paper copper
#

The dang theseus fight would be hard enough without poseidens bs

sleek axle
#

Lol

long moss
#

don't avoid the curse filter the mods don't want that

paper copper
#

Er

#

I wasn't even trying to avoid it lol my bad

long moss
#

it's (probably) cool

#

just try not to curse

paper copper
#

Didn't realize it was there. I edited it

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Got ya! Np

sleek axle
#

This is a family friendly Christian server so no swearing

long moss
#

just family friendly

paper copper
#

I get it

#

What do I do with the big nectar

#

The square bottle

sleek axle
#

You gift them to people much later on

long moss
#

and yeah dang darn damn crap frick etc.
all the mini-curses that most people consider fine
the mods are cool with

paper copper
#

Ambr

#

Okay.

#

Yeah my bad like I said I didn't notice the filter, ill mind it.

long moss
#

so like
trying to delay zag is only any use if you plan on getting yourself killed, demoted, or having another child (which prophecises that you will be demoted)
so why try to delay zag unless your gonna do one of those things in the future lol

#

and zag's a demi god
not a lazy god
even if he is going to exist for eons and his first life was identical to his being dead, he is gonna do a LOT more things in those eons than you hades
he is gonna escape prolly within 100 mortal years
tbf with or without the prophecy

paper copper
#

What's everyone's fave wep?

long moss
#

gun

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but also shield

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sorta equally

faint jewel
#

Can't really decide. Really loving Hidden Bow atm, but Eris is also awesome, and so are some of the shields.

paper copper
#

I just got gun it was p fun

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Shield ... idk.

sleek axle
#

Common opinion is bow from what I've seen

faint jewel
#

Sword is my worst, Spear second worst. 😄

sleek axle
#

Not my favourite but it's pretty alright

paper copper
#

I'll have to give it another go i didn't like it much

#

Really? I like the sword a lot haja

sleek axle
#

Fists/rail is my favorite

faint jewel
#

I don't know how to not get hit using Sword.

long moss
#

I like bow but not as much as the others I mentioned

sleek axle
#

Least fav would probably be shield

long moss
#

I dislike fists the most

paper copper
#

Agreed on shield worst maybe... or spear.

#

Not worst, just disliked

long moss
#

but I'll play with fists if it's got the purple aura

paper copper
#

Yeah fists are fun

#

But there hard

#

Its like harder mode sword lol

sleek axle
#

I don't really like shield all that much because it's kinda slow for me

long moss
#

I also love the spear

faint jewel
#

I have an easier time with fists, somehow.

#

Maybe because they're a bit faster.

#

So more forgiving in some sense?

sleek axle
#

And bow is pretty slow too but it has pretty good damage output

paper copper
#

Yeah that could be it

sleek axle
#

I just feel the shield is kinda lacking

paper copper
#

Just seems like you gotta be closer for fists than sword even

#

Yeah spear and shield both seem least fluid to me

sleek axle
#

I like fists because you get to punch things

#

It's fun

faint jewel
#

Shield with double attack deadalus is super fun

#

but yeah it's not... very fluid

#

especially trying to do chaos shield with dash special RIP my controller

sleek axle
#

I feel like the shield is a very 'safe' weapon

#

It's easy to use and you can block attacks with it

faint jewel
#

Bow is comparable once you get the hang of it tbh.

faint jewel
#

Had a Rama clear, never died, was not even hit much on Hades, either.

sleek axle
#

Which is probably why most newer players gravitate toward it

faint jewel
#

but yeah the block is nice on no ||FO||

#

Once you have ||FO ||it's like... it's not the fastest block. 😄

paper copper
#

Pinecone can you send that again without numbers

#

For template lol

#

We can all do one

long moss
sleek axle
#
  1. Fists
  2. Rail
  3. Spear
  4. Bow
  5. Sword
  6. Shield
#

My personal ranking

paper copper
#

I found my trick w any melee is cast smash

#

Cast smash

#

Hueg dmg

faint jewel
#
  1. Bow
  2. Rail
  3. Shield
  4. Fists
  5. Spear
  6. Sword
sleek axle
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Which is probably why I die so much

long moss
#

such an easy template to make lmao but whatever here's your 15 ctrl+z's

#

I have patience in games like souls-likes
the more certain I can be I will take no damage
the more I enjoy the game
especially if I have to have a way lower dps to take no damage

paper copper
#

Unpopular opinion

#

Oh

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I can't even send images lmao

long moss
#

use copy link and paste link
post in a dif server

paper copper
#

Oh well. I'm sword, bow, gun, fist, spear, shield.

long moss
#

I made a personal empty server called "screenies" for this damn server lmao

sour coral
#

seeing ya'll rate sword so low is a travesty

sleek axle
#

Just don't really vibe with it that much

faint jewel
#

Teach us your ways

#

I'd want to be better at sword

long moss
#

I really enjoy sword

#

I just ADORE
the ones above it

sleek axle
#

Nemesis sword is great but the others are kinda eh

sour coral
#

what are you having trouble with

faint jewel
#

I just get hit a lot and idk what do by like... Elysium

#

I can do Tart/aspho OK but beyond that I get hit by everything due to... idk, range feel?

paper copper
#

I agree I love the sword.

#

But deflect dash is prob a necessity for it te

#

Or ya do get hit a lot

long moss
#

I don't care for the fists though
but again I really enjoy the sword
if the only option was sword I'd love the game
if the only option was gun I'd LOVE THIS GAME SO DAMN MUCH
less than I would with no restriction
cuz it's better with options
but yk?

sour coral
#

well if we're talking about general sword play, you kinda play it like a slower, harder hitting version of the fists

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except you actually finish your combos

silk swift
faint jewel
#

As far as I know finishing combos on sword is suboptimal for spee and you basically dash strike all day

long moss
#

you can defeat Fume Knights without taking damage lmao

faint jewel
#

which of course means you get no iframes so yay

long moss
#

and yes, some enemies will kill your blocking

#

in DS

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but still

sour coral
#

well, you finish the combo if you can afford to do so

silk swift
#

Fume Knight is singular

long moss
#

you don't block against those enemies though lol

sour coral
#

but of course if the enemy is about to attack you dash away from that

faint jewel
#

Is there a case where finishing a combo is superior to special-strike-strike tho

sour coral
#

The swords are probably the most difficult weapon set to use, especially as you increase the heat from the Pact of Punishment. The reason is probably because the optimal way to use the sword -- DASH STRIKES -- is not intuitive. Dash-striking not only increases your damage potential but offers huge defensive benefits as well. In this video, I wa...

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silk swift
#

He's the boss of Bruma tower and I guarantee you a shield is useless there

long moss
sour coral
#

this a good guide for it

long moss
#

LMAO a shield is useless to like 20% of the enemies in DS3

sour coral
#

finishing combo happens like 10% of the time

silk swift
#

Fume is a boss in 2 yeah

sleek axle
#

Jsut sayin

sour coral
#

but it can be an option

long moss
#

yeah I'll stop

sour coral
#

unlike fists where we pretty much never finish the combo

faint jewel
#

The way I play fists is a hot mess but I somehow end up getting hit less.

#

Or maybe there's more damage so it doesn't matter.

silk swift
#

Arthur is the best combo weapon lo

sleek axle
#

I like fists a lot because it has pretty high dps

silk swift
#

Just have to dash between attacks

quiet tide
#

Is the shotgun blast rail gun good

sleek axle
#

Slap an arte special on demeter fists and you win

quiet tide
#

I am using it with deflect

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And it feels sad

sleek axle
quiet tide
#

Plain

silk swift
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It's good Zag rail

sleek axle
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It's pretty good with zag aspect but meh on everything else

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Made the mistake of taking shotgun hestia once to see what it would do

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Turns out absolutely nothing

quiet tide
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Right now I’m just achievement hunting and try to get all clear with all weapons

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And all boons and hammer

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While collecting easy rewards from pact

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Big man is still hard, but I am slowly, but surely consistently reach the temple

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Actually, what would you rank as the best aspect for each weapon

faint jewel
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Mmm, I haven't done most aspects enough. For Bow they are pretty much all solid but idk what to do with Chiron.

sleek axle
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Sword: Nemesis
Spear: Achilles
Shield: Zeus
Bow: Hidden Aspect
Fists: Demeter
Rail: Eris

sour coral
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i like demeter on special for chiron

paper copper
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Hangover/doom build is pretty dang good on the fists

grim iris
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What are i-frames?

faint jewel
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Invincibility frame. Common feature in games where you are invincible to damage for a short period of time.

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In regards to Hades, you get one when dashing (but not dash striking iirc).

marble nest
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hi, I don't meant to promote other games or stuff

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but I am curious, if I enjoy roguelike like hades

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will I enjoy dead-cells?

paper copper
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Yes

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For sure

marble nest
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Have you guys played both and what are ur impressions

grim iris
marble nest
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I heard that dead cells is a LOT harder than hades

paper copper
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It is

faint jewel
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i-frames are not related to boons really

paper copper
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But its roguelite as well so

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There's progression

silk swift
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Arthur, Achilles, Demeter, Hestia, Zeus. Bow: all of them tied lol

marble nest
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im struggling but enjoying hades's difficulty, the git gud curve is achievable

grim iris
marble nest
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but dead cells I heard is like a top notch difficulty and might be even more grinding hahaha

faint jewel
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Yeah, Hades is the first rogue-like anything I really liked because the curve is smooth

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most games in this bucket are waaaaay too hard for me

marble nest
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One run in Hades lasts like 30-40 mins and is delightful with the story and the boons

paper copper
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You'll like dead cells.

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I'm sure of it.

marble nest
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thansk Scopaf!

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are the devs constantly maintain the game? like bugs and new contents

paper copper
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Idk its been a while since I've played but

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I played then went back months later and there was a bunch of new content

silk swift
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Dead Cells gets very hard very fast on subsequent runs.

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Hades is the best game of the genre tho, I've played more than a few

marble nest
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I wonder if it's like hollow knight hahaha

sour coral
faint jewel
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I mean, "this ability gives you invincibility for a duration" is not how the term "iframe" is usually used from what I've seen, but I'm a noob so

paper copper
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Its not like hollow knight

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Its way more fluid

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Honestly the combat in dead cells just feels good like hades

silk swift
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Divine Dash doesn't have more i frames but it does deflect around you which makes it safer

sudden steppe
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If I buy an Anvil in 4th region for Zagreus sword, and I somehow lose my Cursed Slash upgrade (the upgrade with the lifesteal), will I get back the 60% hp I lost when I initially took Cursed Slash?

dull storm
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to me Divine Dash has more i-frames because it adds deflect frames from the very beginning of the dash, until the end of the dash

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while innately the dash does not have i-frames throughout the whole animation, only mostly in the middle of the animation

faint jewel
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iframe is so named because it's part of a frame, so it's not usually something that proceeds for the whole animation.

dull storm
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it's never a part of a single frame, it's, at the least, a whole frame

faint jewel
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um sure but often animations are longer than one frame is what i mean

dull storm
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exactly, i'm not complaining you don't get i-frames throughout the whole dash, I'm saying Divine Dash widens the window, because of deflection

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not because of the built-in i-frames

faint jewel
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yeah and I'm saying it's a discussion about terminology

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so it depends on how iframe is defined

silk swift
faint jewel
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I just haven't seen it used for abilities within a game, only for very short blips during some action where the game hands you an iframe to feel smoother or w/e

sudden steppe
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I guess it’s time to experiment then, wish me luck boys

paper copper
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I almost beat ||hades|| first try :o

faint jewel
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Dang

paper copper
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Doom/hangover lets you be pretty cheap

silk swift
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You got to the final boss first try?

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That's really good

paper copper
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Nono I've played a bit

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That's the first time I got to him

silk swift
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Ah

paper copper
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But I meant i had him down to 10% hp

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First try

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But he got me :(

silk swift
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Spoilers :)

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||also he has 2 health bars||

paper copper
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Oh lmao

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So not even close

silk swift
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Can you put that in spoiler tags tho plz

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The final boss is considered a spoiler in this channel 😅

paper copper
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I did?

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I don't see where I didn't lol

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I spoiled his name

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Though I will say

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||its pretty predictable|| lol

sudden steppe
silk swift
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Ahh, Hoarding slash sucks.

sudden steppe
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Yeah, I only got 68g left lol

silk swift
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Well, I guess it can be decent if you don't spend any gold but where are the boons then

paper copper
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You'd have to rely on lucky room rolls

silk swift
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5 damage per 100 gold right?

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Ehh

paper copper
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I think so yeah

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You'd need other gold boons

silk swift
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And it's only for attack

sudden steppe
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No rooms left, already got through all 5 rooms

paper copper
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Yeah it doesn't seem ideal

silk swift
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Well shadow slash is good

paper copper
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But it could be worth trying

sudden steppe
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Yeah, at least I got Shadow Slash

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It’s not too bad at all tbh

silk swift
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Hoarding slash might be good on Zag sword I guess if you all in it

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But you can't exactly start with it or expect to get it on the run you want it 🤔, that's the problem

paper copper
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You'd have to be really lucky

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Bc you'd have to be very specialized

silk swift
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Like if hammer drops in room 1 and you see it, then yeah

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If you rack up 2000 gold it's 100 damage per swing, pretty good

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You can even sell every boon you find and equip shackle lol.

severe gazelle
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||for some reason my brother was not surprised he said he played all 3 darksouls xD||

dull storm
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Hoarding Slash is great for crit builds

paper copper
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Idk what chill does

dull storm
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slows the enemies

woven stump
paper copper
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Its not so great

woven stump
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And can be improved through boons to do DOT

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Chill is, imo, the best effect for melee builds you can get

paper copper
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Oh that would be good

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Really... ?

woven stump
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because attack speed = reaction speed so you just combo off on slow-ass enemies while they struggle to zone you

paper copper
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Hmmm okay

woven stump
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It practically doubles all your attack windows

paper copper
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I did recently have a lot of luck with a doom/hangover dot nuild

woven stump
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before you have to dash out of danger

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That's a dope build and a different strat

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chill also comes with great +base attack damage so it's about doing the damage yourself with extended striking room

paper copper
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Yeah that's true the dmg is nice

woven stump
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but also hangover builds with the stacks right

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up to 10 instances each doing damage

paper copper
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I had doom on atk and hangover on special w the fists

woven stump
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chill gives you more opportunity to hit, therefore faster stacking of effects including hangover

paper copper
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So id combo everyone and they'd drop fast

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Yeah I could see that helping a lot

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I'll give it a go

woven stump
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there's one that "fully chills" an enemy who hits you and imo it's better than it looks

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instant 10 stack of chill

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they hit you once and then freeze

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it's a total combo breaker where-as most revenge damage is nice but doesn't mitigate the actual threat at all

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except for athena revenge that deflects

uneven ledge
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arctic blast would probably ruin freezing touch because it just turns into a generic revenge boon that has no special effect

earnest lotus
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how does zeus attack affect ||aspect of lucifer||?

earnest lotus
paper copper
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Dude the gun upgrade that splits the special into 5 bombs is great lol

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Its so fun.

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All the shields in elysium can't help against carpet bombing

hearty tulip
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God through the ||first phase|| of [redacted] with no Def defiance and at 50 health and was like ayy all is good and then annihilated

paper copper
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I can't believe how well I did with that nonsense build lol

fast gyro
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Hey question, what's the best cast for an Aspect of ||Poseidon|| run?
I had put this in the other chat, however I realized it would be better here

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I would think Crush Shot would work, however I’m not sure.

burnt snow
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if i hit a projectile with an attack and i have deflect then the projectile will just dissappear right ?

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what is then the reason for deflect on a normal attack ?

fast gyro
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You bounce the attack back at the enemy.

burnt snow
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even if i hit the projectile with a melee attack ?

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when i hit the projectile it just dissappears

fast gyro
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If you have Athena’s attack (Divine Strike) on your attack yes it should bounce back at the enemy.

burnt snow
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ok thx!

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does it go back to the enemy who originally aimed at me ?

fast gyro
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No problem. I’m not sure, I believe it will go back the direction it was traveling and if it was a homing attack it will go straight but not home back. I apologize I’m not doing the best at explaining it

burnt snow
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no problem. ty for helping me out though 🙂

fast gyro
burnt snow
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can i deflect theseus attack ?

uneven slate
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You can deflect his spear back. I'm not 100% certain about his melee, but that should work too.

grim iris
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Are there boons that allow your shield block to deflect?

fluid berry
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For the first boss, as long as I have deflect when she uses her projectiles I can deflect them back right? Sorry its kind of a dumb question

uneven slate
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There aren't any ways to give the stationary shield block deflect, however the bull rush can gain deflect with Divine Strike.

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Regarding the first boss (any of them), you can deflect her projectiles.

fluid berry
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Gotcha! I got a bit stuck on ||meg|| but when I got the ||spear|| it made it a lot easier

uneven slate
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However, Alecto's buzzsaws cannot be deflected. Don't know if you met her yet.

burnt snow
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dumb question: is dash-spam a legit strat for mobs ?

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i get that feeling that i get hit in between of my attacks if there is too much going on

uneven slate
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There have been people making dash-only builds and showing off in the victory boasting section. I guess one can spam Divine Dash and give everything in the game the death of a thousand cuts if really patient and not caring for buttons and sinews.

burnt snow
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with a dash that can deal damage ofcourse

burnt snow
uneven slate
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It's still a matter of skill, as there is a short recovery period between dash sequences that leaves you vulnerable. But with Greatest Reflex on top, that becomes a far smaller issue.

sour coral
burnt snow
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is it worth to upgrade divine dash ? is lvl 1 enough ?

fresh current
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Divine dash is one of the only ones that I personally would never put a single Pom into

devout cape
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Agreed

burnt snow
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because its already good enough and would be a waste ?

marble shadow
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I go for divine dash because I think it might be better for attack/special to gain other boons

devout cape
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since divine dash's primary use is its deflect, which doesn't get upgraded with a pom, the pom is usually best put on another boon imo

fresh current
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Reflect is such a powerful mechanic on its own

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The damage is really just a cherry on top you barely care about at that point

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Which opens you up to Pom things that will be more value able

burnt snow
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question about the last room (after theseus and minotaur boss): do i have to do all the rooms or can i go to hades directly ?

fresh current
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Take the skull rooms first

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It’s counterintuitive but many times they will be easier and quicker than the regular ones

marble shadow