||Common sense dictates that players should just strum it once or twice between every run, and eventually Zagreus will get good enough for the prophecy to unlock. And, while that is true, the number of times that it must be strummed is so high it would take players 50+ runs following that routine. Just know that strumming it over and over in one sitting works as well, though it's not clear how much better that really is than the alternative.||
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Every once in a while you should talk to Orpheus too
^
There are progress checkpoints that need to be cleared by talking to him
Zag will usually give some kind of unusual dialog to prompt it
Also your music will literally become noticeably better
As a prompt
I used it ||about 10 times every run|| and it took me about ||15 runs to get the prophecy||
It’s somewhere around ||200 strums|| iirc
Thank everyone!
Anybody have tips for elysium
eugh yeah i definitely like SB more than DD
I keep dying there
_> SB made Elysium free for me tbh
the boss is cake but some of the rooms in Elysium are really easy to die in
im gonna do a few more runs with DD but its kinda making me vindicated in my opinion that SB is better
SD honestly may be a better choice until you have 3 DDs unless you feel like going the skelly route
i have 3 dd and still prefer sb
It’s interesting to hear you say that. SD is usually thought to come into its own once postgame difficulty ratchets way up
I’ve never considered it’s use for newer players
sb makes mistakes in rooms less of a problem
meaning it's more reliable to get to the bosses
Indeed it does, that’s a great way of looking at it. I never thought about it like that
Doesn’t matter how many DDs you have if you still struggle to reach the floor boss. That’s good logic 👍🏻
basically ^
I’m going to say that as you become more skilled at reliably clearing, the extra DDs are clutch in the final boss fight, but when still figuring out how to get there consistently that’s a great rec
I think I'm just going to stick with dd's for now
Do what works then 👍🏻
Indeed
Neither are bad at all. You’re just the first person in this end of the pond I’ve heard talk about SD like that. It’s very interesting to hear a different perspective on how it might be useful
it might just be my background. per room death defiance also had me think of stuff like intentionally dying at low health to end the room with more hp, etc.
Why do some people have these badges next to there health bar
Was that a reward for backing the game
Hope I can beat the elysium boss first try
GL!
my first try i only did like 25%
Hello, does anyone know how I have to do to play with joystick? I have a Xbox controller and a play controller
wish me luck, 5th attempt at final bossu
Gl
Good luck my dude
Do you have the controllers cable? Steam should recognize your controller once it's plugged in
Or, if you have a bluetooth device, you just need to pair your controller with it
I have the cables of the two controls, I tried in other games and he recognizes them, only with hades it happens to me
Pog
Huh, that's weird D: It works normally in Big Picture mode and then when you start Hades it just... Stops?
Hey, sorry for the random question, and I assume there's no way but I thought I'd ask, since there's a way to use Cross-Saves on the Switch version (The main way I play the game) is there a way to do the same for PC? Am I missing something or is there just no way to transfer that progress over??
Open that section up on switch and see what it has to say 😉
Oh! I get it now, okay I thought it was just getting my saves from Steam over to the Switch, not just... Overall! Thank you kindly, I'm a bit slow xD
Yeah it unifies them. One save cloud to rule all
Is one titan blood for 200 gemstones a good trade? I would say yes but I haven't found a use for titan blood yet
Whoa whoa buckeroo
No way
Titan blood is for weapon upgrades
You want all you can get
Weapon upgrades?
For a good, long while
Whoop, sorry if I let that out of the bag on you
||weapons can be upgraded with blood once all are unlocked||
difficult decision ; demeter cast (purple) , demeter aid (white) for duo ( nausia something) , demeter rare crop (white) ...
😦
Oh ok cool
10
yea
^^^^
Dionysus cast is one of the better in the game (nausea)
aid than
And demeter/dio duo is great because it removes the only bad feature of it, which is the way it lobs the cast itself
Take the duo
Absolutely take the duo no questions asked
Wait wait, I’m misunderstanding, is the duo on offer? Or are you taking the call to roll for the duo later?
duo later
Ah, I see. Thats a much tougher pick. Though not a bad one.
thanks 🙂
What's more valuable, Ambrosia, or Titan Blood??
Dem cast is weird so I’m going to set that aside. The choice is between call for duo roll or rare crop yolo
Honestly that one is yours, may your luck be true
Wow the ||fists|| feel really good to play with
The Fists are probably my favorite weapon so far 😄
Dont use wretched broker to trade around a ton at first
You can maybe trade in one in every 3 or 4 ambrosia you find for 1 blood, as a rule of thumb
But not much more
The shop in the lounge has a limited sale for Titan Blood, so I wasn't sure. I haven't been able to use any Ambrosia yet, and even though I have 6 Titan Blood, I just dunno which weapon I wanna give it too T.T
Focus on gathering. You likely dont have enough of anything to be really trading around yet
1 in 3 or 4 ambrosia for blood when starting out, thats all
Thank you for your help and insight! I greatly appreciate it! 😄
Take limited sales of blood whenever possible
Lemme put that asterisk next to what I just said
Always check the broker, his bottom most deal rotates with each run
Sometimes he offers things in the rotating slot like blood, diamonds and ambrosia which are always an A+ buy
So always check, but almost never buy
At least for now while you are starting out
He's offering a blood for an Ambrosia and I know both are really valuable so I wasn't sure if it was worth going after? I am in the habit of checking when I can!
So that is the ambrosia trade button
All items in his shop are static, except the very last thing for sale on the list. That rotates
That rotating deal is the one to always check for
when i use the fists i have to rebind my q to something else
really tedious to press shift q and a directional key
That ambrosia button will always be there. Like I said, you can trade 1 of every 3/4 ambrosia you find for 1 blood and its a good trade. Thats it for regular trading starting out though
I hate inferno bombers
Clearing minimum safe distance when you kill them will be a reflex before long, dont worry
in the mean time pillars for cover and not staying still are your friend
Gl!
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the first fury is so annoying
she deals so much aoe damage
even w my two dashes i always end up taking so much damage withing the first two mins and die
I recommend that when Meg does that effect, just forget about attacking and instead just dash out of the way until the attack cycle is done.
ok
i'm using the shield and i try and prioritize things like health regen and long-lasting curses and stuff
like hangover
Ah is see
If you like to use curses a lot, then there’s a mirror upgrade that I definitely recommend to go with that.
Starting each run with Aphrodite's boon helped a lot because I could get weak on my attacks and learn the boss's patterns better
Maybe that will help you too? But I've never used the shield so idk
Be more patient with meg moistpotato. You have all the time in the world to fight the boss right now, and she can kill you much quicker than you can kill her. Try to learn and pick up on cues for when you need to switch gears from dash attacking and doing damage, to purely dashing to evade which will save you lots of health
You will switch those gears back and forth constantly in this game, it’s important to know what it looks like and start practicing it early on
That minotaur miniboss made me lose a dd
Hopefully I can get to the boss with still one 1 dd
It’s ok
Do you have skelly tooth?
You may die, but you will die with honor
Check every well in Styx that you can. Keep $200 on you at all times in case you can buy a DD back
Styx?
I have skelly tooth but not equipped
Hopefully I find the guy that gives me a free dd
I think they meant Elysium
Oh ok
But yeah, if you don't find him you can buy back a DD for 200 gold at one of the mini shops
Oh, sorry
If it shows up
If you are in Elysium pray to your deity of choice for a room with “!”
You can refill all DDs there
Oh, you know about it already. Godspeed then
Yeah
Beat the minotaur
Now I just have to deal with theseus
Still have one death defiance
LET'S GO
Beat them
Bruh I have to fight ||Hades||
Its on
sounds good
I am often hunting for DD refills in the last two levels. I always keep 200 obols for Styx halls. I honestly feel like third boss gives me more trouble than 4th.
Athena also has two DD refills available. You can get a fourth from Chaos as well.
Chaos’ counts as an extra, so if you have all three still, it adds a fourth.
And refills as such too.
I guess skelly keepsake would act the same. Kinda wish it was the first one to go unless you were using stubborn defiance.
If you're having trouble on the final boss, use the acorn keesake
It provides way more value
Plume will grow with you as you level it up
Later on in its life its not uncommon to sit pretty around 60% static dodge chance with a zag fist plume build
It’s great
don't you lov eit when you use your death defiance in LAVA
I like the lava for when you're having a bad run and just wanna die
hmmm im at 9 ambrosia, and still nobody i can give them to
Can we actually get boons from the same god for both attack and special?
I've done 42 runs and haven't beat the game yet, is that bad?
no
If you can reliably get to that fight, I'm sure your skill will improve. How is your mirror doing?
I think it's good
I got 3 death defiances plus an extra one and he still beats me
I'm trying with the stygian blade
The boons and everything were perfect
how about the higher tiers of the mirror?
so if I can't beat it with those, I don't think I ever will
yes, nothing stopping that
the rest of the stuff is just the plus chance you'll get a rare or something
the only thing that matters really is the extra death defiances
it depends. sometimes you think your build is "perfect" but it's bad synergies. just try again, don't label a build "perfect"
Also try other weapons also? I'm sure you will get there
If it seems like the boss is doing too much damage (which I mean, fair, it's a lot) then that probably means you need to focus on learning the attack patterns and how to avoid them, especially if you're getting there regularly
I can't get away fast enough, even with 40% more speed and double dash
Try Evergreen Acorn from Elysium onward.
well it's pointless cuz it's only the first 4 times
If it can protect me 50 times then it would be useful
it's really not. Acorn is one of the most popular choice for the fight.
It's mostly a matter of math
you can't really play the game with such a defeatist attitude.
just have a little confidence that you can. Acorn can help you a decent amount on top. good luck.
Huh. It really is just attack patterns
If you're finding you can't get out of the way fast enough, then you're probably over-committing to attacks and not leaving enough time to dodge when the attacks against you are being telegraphed
Take your time and play cautiously until you get a feel for it
It's just dark souls huh
to me it sounds like they have a mental block than a skill block
well how are you supposed to memorize attack patterns if he does something different every time?
He doesn’t, it’s always a to b to c
well, I don't know when exactly he's gonna use them
And then a variation of moves but it’s always a to b to c
Sometimes he swings at me right when I come at him, sometimes it takes like 5 sec
You don't have to know which attack is coming, focus on seeing the telegraph before the attack
All bosses in most games are like this
how many times did you get there?
what's the telegraph?
like 6 times
e.g. when he does his circle slash, you'll see a faint circle around him just before he actually attacks
things like that
When he throws out a fire ball that means he's throwing out a fire ball
Big if true
but then the problem is, I need to take the fire ball out but he goes directly towards it. So either I let the fire ball go off or he slashes me
My advice here is to just chill a little bit and focus on dodging instead of trying to finish these bosses as quickly as possible
You know you can dash through the explosion right?
You can dash through the burst that the fire balls do
ohh you can?
I usually just straight up ignore the skulls
dashing gives you invincibility frames, so dashing through the explosion properly means you wont take damage
For the record, you can dash to escape any attack in the game if you time it correctly
also the explosion wont cover the full arena, so you can get to the edge to get out of the radius as another option
Not sure how far you are into the fight but I actually prefer to let the skulls explode most of the time.
maybe I can record trying to fight him
that can help with diagnosis yeah
I was so excited when I got his health to zero but then he regenerated 😦
Spoil that
or watching someone else does the fight also helps.
Yeah, recording and watching your own fights helps a lot
And also, don’t get too nervous lol
When you nervous, you tend to button mashing and that will get you killed
yea, it makes me nervous getting to him
I'm more of an artist person that a smart person lol
the two are not mutually exclusive and that has nothing to do with the game.
it's a vidya. relax. you got this.
Also don't discount how helpful the higher tier mirror talents are
It might not seem like much but they add up
Same with Boiling Blood
yea, I have that upgraded all the way
dark foresight in particular is incredibly useful but not immediately obvious at first
more gold laurel rooms is just incredible
if you forget to give the fish to the chef, can you give it to him after your next run?
yes
||hades||' attacks including the skulls can destroy jars so that's not actually a bad strategy
Exactly why and also exactly spoiler
yo @uneven ledge ||the Hades fight|| is spoilers in this channel 
hell yeah congrats 
beating theseus always feels good
wouldn't the extra life from the skelly one be better than the acorn?
you'd think so, but acorn usually eats up more than 100 hp of damage
depends really
by the elysium / final boss, they do lots of damage per hit
skelly is always 100 hp
so eating 5 is quite a lot
I've already lost 2 death defiance ughh
particularly for the final boss, he does a lot of damage so eating 5 is almost always preferable
you can make the argument that skelly keepsake is slightly more than 100 since damage doesnt overflow between lives
broken spearpoint can also be a good option as it's useful against the poison in styx
but i think acorn is still better for final boss
your build can also change things
Numbers pulled from my own experience, not some intricate calc.
like if you're running hidden sword and got a bunch of damage resist boons
skelly keepsake might be more valuable
either way both of them are very useful, its just that acorn is atm considered marginally better
i think its also very useful for elysium boss too, since its usefulness is before you lose your DDs, whereas skelly's usefulness is after you lose your DDs
so you can preserve more DDs going into the final boss by using acorn earlier
Yeah it also scales well into the late late game where ||Hard Labor|| is a thing.
final boss
Because they are the final boss 
quite simple really
i mean it is the final boss
true
That's Dark Souls baby
hades is the dark souls of roguelites
also bow best weapon
false
just saying
false
false
false
get false'd
false
you'll find out later on
drink it
how
mouth
With your mouth
Damn I'm being outjoked
to get the most effect from drinking ambrosia, you gotta get someone else to gift it to you
PLS 😭
if you wanna know you gift it to characters
IK I haven't played in like 2 days
and now I watched 1 yt video and I feel the need to play a game I bought and played ages ago
I am sure I'll only play like 4 additional hours of that game
and I will be back for this game, to 100% it, and try to speedrun it
yk lmao imagine if there was a 100% category
that'd be a 36 hour stream for each full attempt
maybe 50 hr stream idfk
but yeah, I'll be back!
I love this game too much to not be back

also like a lot of you guys are cool people
so yeah
I like talking with y'all
at the 35 attempt i beat theseus and asterius 
and i managed to unlock the whole mirror
congrats 
man this is a great game.
havent had that much fun with a game for a long time
when do i get lucky tooth from skelly ?
Gift him a nectar
I do as well
which is the worst boons
i just unlocked ||heat.|| i did the bounties for ||heat 1|| if I want to unlock more bounties what do I do?
it looks like ares or artemis
"artemis boons suck"
all of them are good, it just depends on your weapon/build
like if you have missing dds then athena is great because she can restores your dds and even buff them
Just keep bumping up that ||heat|| for new bounties. That should get you more!
it wasnt which is why i asked
it won't past ||heat 1||
||you have to defeat the final boss to keep unlocking bounties||
@blazing trail if you're on ||heat 3|| but haven't done a clear on ||heat 1|| yet, you won't be able to claim ||heat 3 bounties|| yet either. you have to bump it down to ||heat 1|| or just do consecutive clears and claim the ||bounties for heat 1 and 2 and then finally claim your heat 3 bounties on your third run||
it doesnt give me the option for ||heat 2|| bounties
you have to do a ||heat 1 clear to claim those bounties first, then increase the heat to 2 and do another run for more bounties||, then so on and so forth (at least up until ||heat 20||)
yes i got that thanks to electronic
What seems to be the issue with the ||heat 2|| bounties? Like, are they not being awarded when you beat ||meg||?
OH. Gotcha lol
i was so mad earlier too when i discovered that you have to beat the final boss to unlock further ||heat|| bounties
i was hoping i wouldn't have to so i could just gradually up the heat for bounties
can i gift nectar more than once to the same god ?
Yes
is there a way i can tell if i already have the keepsake ?
dont want to gift twice
during a run i mean
you get the keepsake the first time you give them nectar
i dont want to gift a nectar to a god which keepsake i already have. i want to get all the keepsakes first. is there a way to tell in a run, that i already have that gods keepsake ?
you can check in the codex
keepsakes appear in the codex?
oh wait no im dumb
yeah you can check if you've given nectar depending on the hearts
the heart with the ribbon is the keepsake one
I am back to play some more
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/804447666179932190/unknown.png
what floors contain the ??? minibosses; what floors do I HAVE to do the minibosses for so I can do this prophecy
Just keep playing through Styx
||middle management|| should actually make it easier to find and kill all the bosses in styx
Hey, I've always wondered, why does the ||victory screen|| have a different look sometimes?
Like themed decoration
||what is middle management?||
so all 4 are styx?
Yeah
Those are from themes, which you can eventually buy from the Contractor
Ohh, okay
||It's one of the Pacts||
||should I know wtf a pact is?
I might
IDK
where do you get pacts?||
You are playing on Hell Mode aren't you?
^unless that
Then it's on the window that appears before you start a run. I think it should show up even if you haven't cleared a run
does that not show up if you haven't cleared a run and don't have hell mode?
Correct
are the things on the right ||pacts||?
Yes
||how is a pact supposed to make the game easier lmao that's the opposite of their purpose||
It shouldn't
It doesn't make the game easier, the person before was just saying it would make it easier to find the missing minibosses
||and just to doubly make sure, pacts are what raise the heat?||
but like
how and why does it do this
Read the description next time you start a run 
that
that's what I was about to do frankly
... game crashed when I tried to enter the weapon choosing room with skully in it
it black screened first
then crashed like 5-10 sec later
Oh no! Did a bug report window appear?
no
I would just like to mention
that the ok, infamously buggy, EA game by the name of spore is infamous for crashing constantly
I beat the game like twice and it never crashed on me
I have yet to beat this game it has crashed on me like 4 times?
is this game known to be crash-y?
No, not at all. I think the game has crashed for me personally maybe once in 2+ years
LMAO
Not for me. I had four crashes early on but haven't had one since then, which is like 70 hours later
you get why this is hilarious to me right?
No?
this might be my situation? but your early on might have just been cuz early access or smtn.
i don't think so because it only crashes on me when i leave it open for hours on end but that's probably because i play it on an acer aspire 5 laptop
Nah, I bought the game late Dec of this year
I've just sunk in 99 hours within a month
cuz it's almost like Spore and Hades just like swapped stability for me
It's likely a localized conflict in your specific setup. If it's a recurring problem you can try going through the steps here #h1-tech-fixes message and also verifying the game file integrity/ensuring you have the latest drivers
If I have unlocked the whole mirror of night, is there still any use for the keys apart from trading them?
Not unless you want to reset the mirror
Or should I just use them at the trader to just get me some nectar
Alright that’s good to know.
Thanks
?
it just ||adds an armored enemy||
how is that supposed to help me find it? it literally effects the mini-boss chamber, not door afaik
affects*
Wait MM procs in Styx 👀
Never knew
It may affect miniboss odds as well pinecone. Lots of things in this game do more than just what they say on the label
could someone tell me for certain
Just take the doors with the skull icon every time
Those will end in a miniboss if you don't get the sack
||does beating meg with routine inspection at max cause a special line to happen, since you do it without the mirror at all then?||
and since meg complains a lot about you using nyx's darkness and the mirror and that you wouldn't have beat her otherwise?
Yes it does lol
Nah Meg is tsundere. ||she respects it||
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/805178264300552262/unknown.png||
OH WAIT
this is the ||pact of punishment|| isn't it
yee
so it isn't there if you haven't beat the game/aren't on hell mode?
imo from the perspective of being hades, not a game dev, he should've put it there no matter what, and forced it to be at max
so that you just give up
cuz this way we can slowly get better and increase difficulty as we get better
Well, maybe he didn't even think Zag could do it without
If this game is full of anything it’s full of ulterior motifs about “well we’re not supposed to let zag escape buuuuuut”
So once he did, he added the ||pact||
Yeah, oops, typing too fast
I mean if you want to see from Hades’ eyeballs from a second he just ||lets you walk right the hell past him at one point|| so clearly he’s at least a little conflicted with how he feels about your attempts
^^^
Yep
It’s great character development. Papa knows Zag ||is doomed to fail|| and tries to protect him in his own way, at least at first
congrats!
Spoiler the final boss name
the boss name needs to be spoilered in this channel
@old escarp silot seems to be afk now - can we get a delete of that message instead then?
👍
crisis averted
hopefully
yeah they're really hard to get used to; the poison is so annoying
Athena's boon that helps on traps also works on the poison
does it? each tick of poison damage does 1 damage though - how does that work? does it reduce the damage rate instead then?
Poison stacks, I assume it prevents or reduces that
HOW TF AM I SUPPOSED TO KILL ||HADES||????????
i prioritize health and curses
Do you have Privileged Status on?
ok
i spent almost all of my darkness on death defiances
so i didn’t really try to get new talents
Don't blame you, I did that at first
It helped me last longer to keep getting darkness and keys
i always use the shield
and i like to have curses like hangover on my dash
and deflect or extra damage on my attack
usually i just increase damage on that or add ares’s curse on it (i don’t remember the name but it’s the one that deals 50 dmg after a second)
and if i can i either increase the charge rate of the bull rush or the damage to armor/in general
Yeah, doom on the special is good
Have you tried the charged shot hammer? I find it helpful, it goes through the shields used by greatshields and Theseus too
who do i get it from?
It's one of the hammer upgrades
ah
theseus was so annoying
the minotaur wasn’t great either, but he was def a lot easier
remind me what that does?
tfw a miniboss is easier than a normal room
"Each rank gives you +20% damage vs. foes afflicted by at least two Status Curse effects."
So, maxed, you get 40% damage on foes with two curses
And it affects every thing I think, so even doom or hangover
oh damn yeah for that player they'd get SO MUCH use out of that
exactly
you love focusing on curses already
it rarely does much for me lmao
while trying to 100% the game atleast
when I start playing to play I'll probably feed it a lot more often
I prefer getting two curses, so I find PS very useful
Theseus & mino was rough, agreed.
i need to grind for so many keys @swift pasture
I was pinged??
yeah sry i pinged the wrong person
Only on certain weapons/builds. If I don't know what build I'm using I actually default to Family Favorite so I get bonus damage either way
I really don't like the spear
really 🥺
I got pretty far with it tbh
It just doesn't feel as fun to me tho
Feels less fluid
I feel equally capable with each weapon tho which is nice. It doesn't immediately feel like any weapon is useless
Sorry I just got the game and came here excited to talk about it
ah yeah i can relate to that! i didn't shut up about this game when i got it on october hah
The trick to spear is using dash strike a lot and putting some kind of longer curse on the special for maximum priv status
I was bad at spear before I learned how good the dash strike was
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I ||GOT HADES DOWN TO 1/4 HP||
AND I ONLY HAD 1 DEATH DEFIANCE LEFT
Fair enough
I just find it fairly easy to go for it so I keep it on
You’re in for the most special surprise when you kill him for the first time 😉
y i k e s
Hm
i am in live with this game even tho i suck
You'll get better 
Woah, Apparently Asterius becomes a miniboss
Becomes? He's always one of the possible miniboss encounters
Yeah, if you beat Asterius in the miniboss room, he'll have lower HP when you reach the end of Elysium
I noticed
Holy Carp: the final weapon is a gun!?
Yeah, and it tends to do particularly well for speed
It is also completely historically accurate
I didn't like it a lot myself at first but now I'm getting into it since it's gotten me my only sub 10 minute clears
Would definitely give it a try!
yeah the goddess hestia did indeed snipe the titans and get sick mlg headshots from 2 miles away using the adamant railgun
the titans died because they havent developed a counter against guns.
Simple: Walls.
Wouldn't stop the rockets, but it'd most likely work for the bullets
Any tips for fighting ||Hades||?
I've fought him so many times and never get past him
what weapon are you using
Walls can't stop drone strikes
I usually use the shield thingy
demeter used boxing gloves to punch the titans so hard even their legacy was destroyed also she was a fan of devil may cry
So far I've just been using my cast and running away from him
And throwing my shield when he's not moving or smth
Note that when the skulls get stuck in you - the "Boiling Blood" effect - he will deal significantly increased damage. If one of them does stick to you, try to avoid damage more than you usually would. Also, if you hold out your Shield, the circular attacks won't hit you if he's in front of the shield.
Ooh ok
shield is pretty good but it requires you to have little mobility and very close range to attack him with your bash
what cast are you using?
Shield overall is a pretty safe pick imo - got my first Hell Mode win with it on the third run of the file. Just got to play super defensively if your damage output is weak.
i'd recommend a cast that deals more damage consistently than ares, unless you have the ares-artemis duo boon that lets it track enemies
If you're running Ares, consider getting Doom on your Special. Helps a lot in keeping your distance while still doing solid damage.
he moves too much for it to be any use
|| Can you guys consistently beat final boss on no heat no matter what you get ||
After you see the boss do the same moves a couple of times, eventually yes you should be able to get a kill in due time
I still die to final boss a lot, but I'm usually on ||FO1 ||or ||FO2||.
What's most important is knowing their attack patterns, so once you have that (and preferably divine dash
) then yeah you can start branching out with different and more experimental builds
the game is too easy on 0 heat now tbh :/
weird flex but ok
Yeah, there's no real purpose to 0 heat runs is there?
yeah im just slowly turning heat up on every weapon
what does everyone mean when they say HEAT?
im at 8-9 rn
youll find out later on
Reminder this meant to be a spoiler free channel
so we should probably spoiler this stuff huh
anyway. just starting to really get in my groove. I've levelled out a bunch of other things, but cant manage to get past the top
it makes ||the game harder, however is not required for completion||
same here
funny is that after the ending, I can't manage to beat the final boss
at least not as much as before
I haven't lost to Hades as far as up 32 consistently and I can probably take it to 36 for almost guaranteed. 40 is where it gets tricky for me, but I've done it enough times.
censor that pheonix
this needs to be censored as well
@silk swift
I have atleast 1 daedelus hammer upgrade left for bow I need to get for prophecy (I could have more)
I have exactly 1 artemis upgrade left I need to get for that prophecy, and I am capable of getting it rn (I have all the reqs)
I have piercing volley (for daedelus to increase chances)
I have deadly strike, hunting blades, and pressure points from artemis (to increase chances of what I want since I can't get those now)
I have adamant arrowhead and this artemis is because of it, so if I don't choose artemis my next boon will still be artemis
my next chamber (the one that could be hammer or artemis reward) is chamber 27
which do I take
I ONLY care about prophecy finishing for making this choice
so whichever is more likely to contribute to a prophecy, taking in the fact that daedelus is rare as well
is it daedelus since I rarely see them and because I am gonna get an artemis anyways?
The game will usually want you to have two Daedalus hammers by the end of the run so even if you don’t choose the hammer there is a likelihood that you will see it later in the run
but still less likely than seeing the artemis
I'm not into that level of masochism.
Actually, that's a lie, I do fresh file attempts sometimes which I guess would be basically that, but worse... 🤔
Tbh, the boss is not the problem lol
I couldn't imagine doing satyrs with nothing
Note that this is often with sword, too, but I haven't even gotten to Satyrs so far. 🤣
to complete The Gift of Song I just spam "e" at the lyre for an hour right?
I just die to ||Lernie||.
yk the prophecy "Is there no escape?" literally exists
why does Hades even try
All the gods of all people should know the most that you don't try to stop the fates
What they want to happen happens
there is no stopping it
there is only delaying it, and affecting the specifics
they get what they damn want to happen.
and why delay it when you're the god of death
of all people he and his son zag should have the least existent sense of time.
so if it's gonna happen
what's the difference between this second and eons in the future?
it's just a few hundred eon difference
like that's nothing
(lmao)
wait it doesn't specify zag
it just says the son of the god of the dead
the son
does hades just not have any offspring
and tbf if someone kills hades in such a way he ceases to exist (which is possible for all the immortal beings iirc, though really damn hard)
or some other similar things
it could actually be refering to someone else
but that would require hades to cease being the god of death
or cease being a god of death that has only one child
because if the god of the dead changes
then zag is no longer prophecised to escape
if he has another child, zag is no longer prophecised to escape
and if hades has another child, he literally creates a sub prophecy that he will cease to be the god of death
The dang theseus fight would be hard enough without poseidens bs
Lol
don't avoid the curse filter the mods don't want that
This is a family friendly Christian server so no swearing
just family friendly
You gift them to people much later on
and yeah dang darn damn crap frick etc.
all the mini-curses that most people consider fine
the mods are cool with
so like
trying to delay zag is only any use if you plan on getting yourself killed, demoted, or having another child (which prophecises that you will be demoted)
so why try to delay zag unless your gonna do one of those things in the future lol
and zag's a demi god
not a lazy god
even if he is going to exist for eons and his first life was identical to his being dead, he is gonna do a LOT more things in those eons than you hades
he is gonna escape prolly within 100 mortal years
tbf with or without the prophecy
What's everyone's fave wep?
Can't really decide. Really loving Hidden Bow atm, but Eris is also awesome, and so are some of the shields.
Common opinion is bow from what I've seen
Sword is my worst, Spear second worst. 😄
Not my favourite but it's pretty alright
I'll have to give it another go i didn't like it much
Really? I like the sword a lot haja
Fists/rail is my favorite
I don't know how to not get hit using Sword.
I like bow but not as much as the others I mentioned
Least fav would probably be shield
I dislike fists the most
but I'll play with fists if it's got the purple aura
I don't really like shield all that much because it's kinda slow for me
I also love the spear
I have an easier time with fists, somehow.
Maybe because they're a bit faster.
So more forgiving in some sense?
And bow is pretty slow too but it has pretty good damage output
Yeah that could be it
I just feel the shield is kinda lacking
Just seems like you gotta be closer for fists than sword even
Yeah spear and shield both seem least fluid to me
Shield with double attack deadalus is super fun
but yeah it's not... very fluid
especially trying to do chaos shield with dash special RIP my controller
I feel like the shield is a very 'safe' weapon
It's easy to use and you can block attacks with it
Bow is comparable once you get the hang of it tbh.
Had a Rama clear, never died, was not even hit much on Hades, either.
Which is probably why most newer players gravitate toward it
but yeah the block is nice on no ||FO||
Once you have ||FO ||it's like... it's not the fastest block. 😄
Pinecone can you send that again without numbers
For template lol
We can all do one
I love to block in souls-likes
it makes the game so damn easy
and this isn't a souls-like but it's got some essential elements
like the fact you can dodge every attack (atleast if there isn't 40 enemies in the room)
- Bow
- Rail
- Shield
- Fists
- Spear
- Sword
I don't really like blocking mostly because I just like to rush into the fray and just go ham in games like these
Which is probably why I die so much
such an easy template to make lmao but whatever here's your 15 ctrl+z's
I have patience in games like souls-likes
the more certain I can be I will take no damage
the more I enjoy the game
especially if I have to have a way lower dps to take no damage
use copy link and paste link
post in a dif server
Oh well. I'm sword, bow, gun, fist, spear, shield.
I made a personal empty server called "screenies" for this damn server lmao
seeing ya'll rate sword so low is a travesty
Just don't really vibe with it that much
Nemesis sword is great but the others are kinda eh
what are you having trouble with
I just get hit a lot and idk what do by like... Elysium
I can do Tart/aspho OK but beyond that I get hit by everything due to... idk, range feel?
I agree I love the sword.
But deflect dash is prob a necessity for it te
Or ya do get hit a lot
I don't care for the fists though
but again I really enjoy the sword
if the only option was sword I'd love the game
if the only option was gun I'd LOVE THIS GAME SO DAMN MUCH
less than I would with no restriction
cuz it's better with options
but yk?
well if we're talking about general sword play, you kinda play it like a slower, harder hitting version of the fists
except you actually finish your combos
You need to meet my friend, Fume Knight
As far as I know finishing combos on sword is suboptimal for spee and you basically dash strike all day
you can defeat Fume Knights without taking damage lmao
which of course means you get no iframes so yay
well, you finish the combo if you can afford to do so
Fume Knight is singular
you don't block against those enemies though lol
but of course if the enemy is about to attack you dash away from that
Is there a case where finishing a combo is superior to special-strike-strike tho
The swords are probably the most difficult weapon set to use, especially as you increase the heat from the Pact of Punishment. The reason is probably because the optimal way to use the sword -- DASH STRIKES -- is not intuitive. Dash-striking not only increases your damage potential but offers huge defensive benefits as well. In this video, I wa...
He's the boss of Bruma tower and I guarantee you a shield is useless there
is it a boss in an earlier game?
all I've played is 3
this a good guide for it
LMAO a shield is useless to like 20% of the enemies in DS3
finishing combo happens like 10% of the time
Fume is a boss in 2 yeah
but it can be an option
yeah I'll stop
unlike fists where we pretty much never finish the combo
The way I play fists is a hot mess but I somehow end up getting hit less.
Or maybe there's more damage so it doesn't matter.
Arthur is the best combo weapon lo
I like fists a lot because it has pretty high dps
Just have to dash between attacks
Is the shotgun blast rail gun good
Slap an arte special on demeter fists and you win
Depends on the aspect
Plain
It's good Zag rail
It's pretty good with zag aspect but meh on everything else
Made the mistake of taking shotgun hestia once to see what it would do
Turns out absolutely nothing
Right now I’m just achievement hunting and try to get all clear with all weapons
And all boons and hammer
While collecting easy rewards from pact
Big man is still hard, but I am slowly, but surely consistently reach the temple
Actually, what would you rank as the best aspect for each weapon
Mmm, I haven't done most aspects enough. For Bow they are pretty much all solid but idk what to do with Chiron.
Sword: Nemesis
Spear: Achilles
Shield: Zeus
Bow: Hidden Aspect
Fists: Demeter
Rail: Eris
i like demeter on special for chiron
Hangover/doom build is pretty dang good on the fists
What are i-frames?
Invincibility frame. Common feature in games where you are invincible to damage for a short period of time.
In regards to Hades, you get one when dashing (but not dash striking iirc).
hi, I don't meant to promote other games or stuff
but I am curious, if I enjoy roguelike like hades
will I enjoy dead-cells?
Have you guys played both and what are ur impressions
Thank you. Do you get those i-frames before any boons?
I heard that dead cells is a LOT harder than hades
It is
i-frames are not related to boons really
Arthur, Achilles, Demeter, Hestia, Zeus. Bow: all of them tied lol
im struggling but enjoying hades's difficulty, the git gud curve is achievable
Gotcha. Thank you!
but dead cells I heard is like a top notch difficulty and might be even more grinding hahaha
Yeah, Hades is the first rogue-like anything I really liked because the curve is smooth
most games in this bucket are waaaaay too hard for me
that is to say, more time-consuming and time isn't my asset as of now
One run in Hades lasts like 30-40 mins and is delightful with the story and the boons
thansk Scopaf!
are the devs constantly maintain the game? like bugs and new contents
Idk its been a while since I've played but
I played then went back months later and there was a bunch of new content
Dead Cells gets very hard very fast on subsequent runs.
Hades is the best game of the genre tho, I've played more than a few
thanks for the response
I wonder if it's like hollow knight hahaha
i believe athena dash gives you more iframes
I mean, "this ability gives you invincibility for a duration" is not how the term "iframe" is usually used from what I've seen, but I'm a noob so
Its not like hollow knight
Its way more fluid
Honestly the combat in dead cells just feels good like hades
Divine Dash doesn't have more i frames but it does deflect around you which makes it safer
If I buy an Anvil in 4th region for Zagreus sword, and I somehow lose my Cursed Slash upgrade (the upgrade with the lifesteal), will I get back the 60% hp I lost when I initially took Cursed Slash?
to me Divine Dash has more i-frames because it adds deflect frames from the very beginning of the dash, until the end of the dash
while innately the dash does not have i-frames throughout the whole animation, only mostly in the middle of the animation
iframe is so named because it's part of a frame, so it's not usually something that proceeds for the whole animation.
it's never a part of a single frame, it's, at the least, a whole frame
um sure but often animations are longer than one frame is what i mean
exactly, i'm not complaining you don't get i-frames throughout the whole dash, I'm saying Divine Dash widens the window, because of deflection
not because of the built-in i-frames
yeah and I'm saying it's a discussion about terminology
so it depends on how iframe is defined
Good question, I believe you do, just not sure if you get it as max or max, but unhealed.
I just haven't seen it used for abilities within a game, only for very short blips during some action where the game hands you an iframe to feel smoother or w/e
I guess it’s time to experiment then, wish me luck boys
I almost beat ||hades|| first try :o
Dang
Doom/hangover lets you be pretty cheap
Ah
Can you put that in spoiler tags tho plz
The final boss is considered a spoiler in this channel 😅
I did?
I don't see where I didn't lol
I spoiled his name
Though I will say
||its pretty predictable|| lol
Ok, I bit the bullet, lost my Cursed Slash, going from 86/110 to 215/275, got Shadow Slash and Hoarding Slash 😆
Ahh, Hoarding slash sucks.
Yeah, I only got 68g left lol
Well, I guess it can be decent if you don't spend any gold but where are the boons then
You'd have to rely on lucky room rolls
And it's only for attack
No rooms left, already got through all 5 rooms
Yeah it doesn't seem ideal
Well shadow slash is good
But it could be worth trying
Hoarding slash might be good on Zag sword I guess if you all in it
But you can't exactly start with it or expect to get it on the run you want it 🤔, that's the problem
Like if hammer drops in room 1 and you see it, then yeah
If you rack up 2000 gold it's 100 damage per swing, pretty good
You can even sell every boon you find and equip shackle lol.
ah why the best thing about the entire game
||for some reason my brother was not surprised he said he played all 3 darksouls xD||
Hoarding Slash is great for crit builds
Idk what chill does
slows the enemies
Chill slows movement and attack (telegraphing wind-up) speed
Its not so great
And can be improved through boons to do DOT
Chill is, imo, the best effect for melee builds you can get
because attack speed = reaction speed so you just combo off on slow-ass enemies while they struggle to zone you
Hmmm okay
It practically doubles all your attack windows
I did recently have a lot of luck with a doom/hangover dot nuild
before you have to dash out of danger
That's a dope build and a different strat
chill also comes with great +base attack damage so it's about doing the damage yourself with extended striking room
Yeah that's true the dmg is nice
I had doom on atk and hangover on special w the fists
chill gives you more opportunity to hit, therefore faster stacking of effects including hangover
So id combo everyone and they'd drop fast
Yeah I could see that helping a lot
I'll give it a go
there's one that "fully chills" an enemy who hits you and imo it's better than it looks
instant 10 stack of chill
they hit you once and then freeze
it's a total combo breaker where-as most revenge damage is nice but doesn't mitigate the actual threat at all
except for athena revenge that deflects
arctic blast would probably ruin freezing touch because it just turns into a generic revenge boon that has no special effect
how does zeus attack affect ||aspect of lucifer||?
oh yeah ive had many builds with that, its great
Dude the gun upgrade that splits the special into 5 bombs is great lol
Its so fun.
All the shields in elysium can't help against carpet bombing
God through the ||first phase|| of [redacted] with no Def defiance and at 50 health and was like ayy all is good and then annihilated
I can't believe how well I did with that nonsense build lol
Hey question, what's the best cast for an Aspect of ||Poseidon|| run?
I had put this in the other chat, however I realized it would be better here
I would think Crush Shot would work, however I’m not sure.
if i hit a projectile with an attack and i have deflect then the projectile will just dissappear right ?
what is then the reason for deflect on a normal attack ?
You bounce the attack back at the enemy.
even if i hit the projectile with a melee attack ?
when i hit the projectile it just dissappears
If you have Athena’s attack (Divine Strike) on your attack yes it should bounce back at the enemy.
No problem. I’m not sure, I believe it will go back the direction it was traveling and if it was a homing attack it will go straight but not home back. I apologize I’m not doing the best at explaining it
no problem. ty for helping me out though 🙂

can i deflect theseus attack ?
You can deflect his spear back. I'm not 100% certain about his melee, but that should work too.
Are there boons that allow your shield block to deflect?
For the first boss, as long as I have deflect when she uses her projectiles I can deflect them back right? Sorry its kind of a dumb question
There aren't any ways to give the stationary shield block deflect, however the bull rush can gain deflect with Divine Strike.
Regarding the first boss (any of them), you can deflect her projectiles.
Gotcha! I got a bit stuck on ||meg|| but when I got the ||spear|| it made it a lot easier
However, Alecto's buzzsaws cannot be deflected. Don't know if you met her yet.
dumb question: is dash-spam a legit strat for mobs ?
i get that feeling that i get hit in between of my attacks if there is too much going on
There have been people making dash-only builds and showing off in the victory boasting section. I guess one can spam Divine Dash and give everything in the game the death of a thousand cuts if really patient and not caring for buttons and sinews.
with a dash that can deal damage ofcourse
interesting. i mean i dont want to dash only through the game, but its an option. tyvm!
It's still a matter of skill, as there is a short recovery period between dash sequences that leaves you vulnerable. But with Greatest Reflex on top, that becomes a far smaller issue.
imo poseidon or artemis are the best casts as they give you a shot at mirage shot
is it worth to upgrade divine dash ? is lvl 1 enough ?
Divine dash is one of the only ones that I personally would never put a single Pom into
Agreed
because its already good enough and would be a waste ?
I go for divine dash because I think it might be better for attack/special to gain other boons
since divine dash's primary use is its deflect, which doesn't get upgraded with a pom, the pom is usually best put on another boon imo
Reflect is such a powerful mechanic on its own
The damage is really just a cherry on top you barely care about at that point
Which opens you up to Pom things that will be more value able
question about the last room (after theseus and minotaur boss): do i have to do all the rooms or can i go to hades directly ?
Take the skull rooms first
It’s counterintuitive but many times they will be easier and quicker than the regular ones
I have only done all rooms a few times