h1-for-new-players

[remote vault]

i usually take my time with asterius because his back is vulnerable after the slam :v

also I think you could bait theseus to throw the spear at asterius if I remember

[polar smelt]

that's far too much big brain, I just keep a pillar between me and the spear

[ruby mural]

i always kill asterius first

then i go for theseus after

makes that battle so much easier

[polar smelt]

hey donkey, what build do you look at for a sword run?

just a base zag, cause aforementioned scared of using titan bloods

[ruby mural]

you dont need to be scared of using titan blood

you get way more than enough to max everything

im not really sure what you should go for, for base zag sword since i like to use the hidden aspect myself

zag sword has attack speed and move speed

so maybe try to go for a sea storm run

getting poseidon on the attack and zeus on the special just to proc the ability to get sea storm

[muted latch]

use blood liberally

[ruby mural]

and once you get sea storm go for getting your attack jolted

[muted latch]

you wont be lacking them

[ruby mural]

and ez win

you can also try going for a crit build with aphrodite on the attack and artemis on the special

and go for heart rend

but i dont know if that will be as good

but yeah i would say sea storm would be your best bet

[polar smelt]

eh I want to use them on shield or spear so I can do ||heats|| with one of the fancy aspects rather than base

I just... don't know which 😂

[ruby mural]

spoiler

[polar smelt]

ty for reminder

[ruby mural]

no worries

but yeah like i said sea storm would be the best for base sword i think

[polar smelt]

there's a perk in the mirror which allows higher chance of finding duos isn't there

[ruby mural]

yeah

[polar smelt]

pity it's still deeper than I have unlocked

[ruby mural]

||the chance for getting duo boons and legendary boons is at the bottom of mirror||

[polar smelt]

yeah I still have to unlock that, so many keys

[pastel cipher]

the ||Hades fight|| is a spoiler in this channel as an fyi @grizzled snow, please use spoiler tags or refer to them as either ||redacted or final boss||

[polar smelt]

||do keys have a post-mirror usage?||

[ruby mural]

for trading

[polar smelt]

fair

[grizzled snow]

Sure

[muted latch]

||low heat up to like ~8 are perfectly doable without a high level aspect, or just a lv 5 zag aspect||

[ruby mural]

||the mirror upgrade for duo boons costs 2500 darkness to max and its at 10%||

[muted latch]

||low heat is not fundamentally different from normal||

[polar smelt]

good to know since zag is so cheap

[ruby mural]

its 5 to max

[polar smelt]

zag sword is pretty good isn't it? I think?

[ruby mural]

if you dont have any aspects its the best ;)

[muted latch]

zag sword, fist and rail are good enough to go toe to toe with their other aspects

[polar smelt]

I meant maxed zag donkey :p

[ruby mural]

nemesis and the hiddden one are still better

nemesis is so good for crit builds

because of that extra crit chance when you special

[polar smelt]

@polar smelt posidon attack zeus special

ignore that, i just know i'm going to forget

[ruby mural]

you can go for zeus cast instead if you want a diff special

its just to get the ability for sea storm

[polar smelt]

Is there any other triggers to get duo boons? like do I need to have x of both or anything?

[ruby mural]

you need to have one of the required boons

from each of the gods

[muted latch]

you can check them in the codex

[polar smelt]

[ruby mural]

Poseidon: Tempest Strike, Tempest Flourish, Flood Shot, or Poseidon's Aid
Zeus: Lightning Strike, Thunder Flourish, Electric Shot, Thunder Dash or Zeus' Aid

thats the ones for sea storm

you can get poseidon attack and zeus call

i would call that the best option

[polar smelt]

I thought zeus call was kinda meh personally O.o

[ruby mural]

nah its very spammable

it strikes 8 times

so about 800dmg per time you use it at one bar

in my opinion the best calls are zeus and dionysus because they are spammable but its up to you which of those zeus boons you go for

but you need poseidon attack for sea storm to be good with sword

[polar smelt]

y'know my one dislike about hades, the fact that it seems to be fixed on what boon offerings you get once you enter your room

[muted latch]

sea storm also procs on non boon knockbacks

so sword special will also trigger it

[polar smelt]

since you can't just give-up and rehunt or whatever

[ruby mural]

yeah

[polar smelt]

just got offered special cast or dash, and if I give-up, it'll always be that

[ruby mural]

since sword special knocks away

yeah

[muted latch]

first room and a couple after that are fixed on a seed

[polar smelt]

fair

well, time to do a rail run I think then

since special offering

[ruby mural]

dont ask me about rail builds

btw

[polar smelt]

fair enough

all I know is haha special go brr

[muted latch]

zeus rules on eris rail

[ruby mural]

i only have 1 clear on rail

[muted latch]

for hestia artemis all the way

aphro is also good

[polar smelt]

crit special rail

seems logical?

[ruby mural]

which rail?

[polar smelt]

which do you think

[ruby mural]

normal

[muted latch]

zeus for zag and eris rail

[polar smelt]

one day I'll commit titan blood, just not today

[ruby mural]

how many do you have?

[polar smelt]

11

[ruby mural]

almost enough to max out spear of achillies or shield of chaos

[polar smelt]

oh wow I just read chaos

that's actually so cool

i'll probably go chaos.. I do like spear but chaos is just

pog

[ruby mural]

||its 5 shields at max btw||

[polar smelt]

[ruby mural]

||and achillies is 150% at max||

[polar smelt]

@muted latch hazard, triple or rocket from hammer?

[muted latch]

rocket all the way

then see if you get triple or cluster

[ruby mural]

thats going to be mad dmg

[polar smelt]

[ruby mural]

one thing i dont like about rail is that you cant interrupt enemy attacks

[polar smelt]

which is going to be very scary for the mini hydra bois

[ruby mural]

yeah

thats why im not a big fan of rail

[polar smelt]

don't have my 1 clear yet, so gotta do it :p

[ruby mural]

i got my first clear on rail with the hidden aspect

even tho its not very good

eris is way better

[crisp grove]

omg that first boss was insane

tokk me like 5 tries to beat

[ruby mural]

5 tries thats pretty good

[crisp grove]

rly?

[ruby mural]

yeah

she is hard at the start

[crisp grove]

oh but i died plenty before reacheing her

[polar smelt]

nice wolf

you're going to die plenty more times too, but you'll keep learning

[ruby mural]

everyone dies at the start you're no different than most people

[crisp grove]

did u guys beat it already?

[polar smelt]

donkey am I brave enough to do one of those x2 god rooms where I have to pick one

[ruby mural]

which gods is there in the room?

[polar smelt]

zeus and love god... aphro?

[ruby mural]

pick aphro zeus is easier to dodge

aphro's attacks are seeking

[polar smelt]

aight

[ruby mural]

zeus just sends a bunch of lightning down on you

[crisp grove]

i had to do Aries and Poseidon and i picked Poseidon lol

[ruby mural]

but pretty easy to dodge

poseidon is way harder to dodge than ares so good choice

[crisp grove]

so if i keep dying the story progresses right? so could the story progress finish before I finish the game?

[ruby mural]

it progresses yes but you wont finish it before you have beaten the game no

there is a lot to do after the main story

[crisp grove]

ahh ok

so the nectar... what happens if you give someone a second one?

[ruby mural]

you need to give them 6 nectar for the most part for someone more to happen

then you need to finish a quest and so on

[polar smelt]

best just to hand them out to everyone you see first

[ruby mural]

yeah

[polar smelt]

then focus on specific people

[crisp grove]

oh ok

[ruby mural]

focus on the gods a tip

they will be useful later in the game

[crisp grove]

ive done Cerberus, Achilles, Hades, the practice dummy and the purple girl in the beginning

[ruby mural]

purple girl?

megera?

[crisp grove]

she has like a 3 letter name

she stands outside his room

[polar smelt]

nyx

[crisp grove]

yup

[ruby mural]

nyx yeah

[crisp grove]

whats the best way to get more?

nectar

[ruby mural]

playing the game

[polar smelt]

I started a few days ago myself wolf, let me tell you that 90% of the answers we have are "play the game more"

[crisp grove]

lol

simple as that

[ruby mural]

well it is the answer to almost everything

[crisp grove]

how do i get roles?

on the discord

[ruby mural]

go to botcommands

and type ?rank hades

and the other games if you have/play them

[crisp grove]

ok cool

is there any other game like this one with this much good story?

[ruby mural]

thats a question for #off-topic-discussion

[crisp grove]

ok cool, thanks guys time to just play the game more xD

[ruby mural]

yeah

[polar smelt]

every time I get trippy shot, it reminds me I really should upgrade that mirror perk for getting cast back

hey donkey, what's the interaction between aprho's call & a single target, does it hurt itself or just do nothing?

[crisp grove]

ive been using the spear, what weapon is better?

[polar smelt]

personal preference, I do like the spear though

make sure to use its special when you're at distance, it's very helpful

[ruby mural]

every weapon is 100% viable

[crisp grove]

should i save 10 keys before using upgrades on mirror?

[ruby mural]

the charm? if there is more enemies it attacks them if there is just that one he just doesnt do anything

[polar smelt]

[muted latch]

get all weapons first, then mirror

[polar smelt]

I got the double hammer run but it's all attacks for my 2nd option

[crisp grove]

i just got hammer too, which option should i take(I have spear)

[ruby mural]

what are the options it gave you?

[crisp grove]

tripple jab, extendingh jab, and charged skewer

[polar smelt]

no flurry gib him flurry

[ruby mural]

its between triple jab and extending jab

[crisp grove]

whats the little scroll icon before the name of the upgrade?

[ruby mural]

its for prophecies

but i would go for triple jab if i were you

[crisp grove]

wait thats insane strong xD

[polar smelt]

hammers you can only get a max of two per run (with the exception of ||anvil but that's further on from you atm||)

cause they are so strong

absolutely take hammer rooms when you see them

well it wasn't my intention but I found scintillating feast donkey

we take those

[crisp grove]

whats the bestt "call"

i just got ares

[ruby mural]

in my opinion zeus and dionysus for maximum dmg and because they are spammable

[polar smelt]

when you say spammable, do you actually use them at 1 bar?

[ruby mural]

yes

[polar smelt]

interesting

[analog radish]

ah yes it happend again

||when hades = beat flower was like boon = + 1 lv||

[dry breach]

BOISSSS WE DEFEATED ||THE HEROES OF ELYSIUM||

FINALLY

[polar smelt]

gz furi

[dry breach]

[polar smelt]

donkey this rail build is a little too strong, I accidentally activated ||Theseus' god section whilst killing the mino still||

[dry breach]

oof btw gotta spoiler that

[polar smelt]

I don't believe it's spoilers

it's not end boss onwards

[dry breach]

but its hades for new players-

so uh

[polar smelt]

it also says "end boss onwards"

but I aint fussed lel, edited

[orchid forum]

how to beat....meg

[polar smelt]

learn how she telegraph's each attack and dodge accordingly, I don't even bother firing when she's doing the large area attacks, I just dodge

[dry breach]

ive learned meg attacks by heart

sjhe

ive wiped to her more times then i like to admit

[analog radish]

get the mirror upgrade

that lets u dash 2 times

helps alot

[dry breach]

true

hermes doesnt hurt either

[analog radish]

dud

u cant get ||hermes||

at this point

||hes when u make to asphodel i think||

[dry breach]

spoiler-

we cant say anything thats not after the 1st area

[analog radish]

dud

u sayed hermes

[polar smelt]

[pastel cipher]

the channel description says "No Spoilers - End Boss Onward"

[polar smelt]

"end boss onwards"

is not "first area"

lol

[analog radish]

double standers my guy

meg = final boss

[polar smelt]

I'll go back to my run lol this is aggy's place

[pastel cipher]

is clearly final boss 😛

[analog radish]

yes

stronk

[ruby mural]

VeryGoodYesYes i got the megera scene yesterday

after 105 runs

[polar smelt]

👏

[ruby mural]

i must have just been very unlucky or i was behind on dialogue with meg

[polar smelt]

hey donkey, Olympian favour vs dark foresight?

[ruby mural]

i use dark foresight

[analog radish]

ok good for u

[ruby mural]

but i used olympian favour at the start

before i switched

[polar smelt]

are you proud of me donkey, I used my titan bloods finally

[ruby mural]

on?

chaos shield?

[polar smelt]

ye

[ruby mural]

okay good choice

[polar smelt]

it just looks far too good to pass up

[ruby mural]

it is very good

[polar smelt]

zeus keepsake yeah?

[ruby mural]

if you want to force a zeus boon sure

my training is canceled for the next 2 weeks

[polar smelt]

I've already forgot what the best boon is for special oriented shield

[ruby mural]

try just some stuff out

and find something you like

[polar smelt]

that's fair

speaking of trying stuff out, time to figure out what's the easiest ||pact|| to select

[ruby mural]

||time|| i would say

get 1 lvl of that

at the start

||extreme measures|| isnt that bad either

[polar smelt]

aaand it's a non-special seed, well that's that motivation gone

[zealous bison]

oh yeah, cool, GREAT, THANKS ANVIL for taking away my Dash Nova and giving me a useless Double Nova and a Cursed Slash - cutting my max health in half - seconds before the ending bossfight with ||[redacted]||

nyeeeeh
give me my 7 win streak back

[placid inlet]

ouch

[zealous bison]

i still love this game tho

[placid inlet]

great game

[ocean cosmos]

lol

[gusty snow]

I will include this in the next Pony QOL update

[leaden whale]

is 15 cnthonic keys for a titan blood worth it

i have just enough for the last mirror upgrade(30) and it took me a bit to save up so idk

[ocean cosmos]

im not sure but i'd prioritize mirror upgrades first

[leaden whale]

okay thats what i was thinking

[ocean cosmos]

you'll swim in keys later

[leaden whale]

oh lord the authority things cost SO MUCH

[ruby mural]

its 11k to max

if you switch it, its fated persuasion which is 10k to max

[leaden whale]

how many rolls do each one have

probably gonna pick authority for builds

[ruby mural]

authority has 8 max and persuasion has 4

persuasion is better for builds

cuz you reroll boons

[leaden whale]

oh yea

ill get persuasion then

[ruby mural]

you can always get all the darkness you spent on the mirror back with a key

[leaden whale]

oh yea

[ruby mural]

so if you want to change anything you can just spend a key instead of having to farm all the darkness

[leaden whale]

can u help me with what i should spend my darkness on, im not good at this type of stuff

https://gyazo.com/760eb6cf5d0dd658a5924f2ae2323dfd

i have 6.2k darkness if i reset

[ruby mural]

shadow presence, dark regen, death deffiance, greater reflex, boiling blood, infernal soul, deep pockets, thick skin, family favorite, dark foresight, gods legacy and fated persuasion

[leaden whale]

gods' pride im going for just forgot to switch

[ruby mural]

when you dont need darkness anymore you change dark regen to chthonic vitality

[leaden whale]

okay

ty for the help

[ruby mural]

np

thats atleast the upgrades im using

everything red except the last four

gods legacy is 2500 darkness to max

[leaden whale]

do u have an idea of what i could max out first?

[ruby mural]

go for all the ones above gods legacy

first

then get the last two after that

you can also change between family favorite and privileged status

depending on what build you're going for

[crisp grove]

made it to elysium

so much harder lol

[ocean cosmos]

Godspeed

It can be rough

[torn heart]

the chirron bow feels so annoying to play, just spamming special it is so slow. what do you guys do to make it more fun?

it took me ages to kill everytihng

[polar smelt]

chiron excells at higher ranks, if yours is still rank 1 i'd just use zag's

[molten sand]

hello got some french on this serv ?

[polar smelt]

I had posidon attack & zeus' call since first map and never got the duo @ruby mural

[ocean cosmos]

Demeter special + explode on 10 chill. Boom.

[leaden whale]

wow ||demeters||
cast is so good

[fathom crown]

I have Chaos aspect shield at 4/5 ranks, and I'm not feeling it at all. I know this is a popular one... what am I missing that makes it so good?

[ruby mural]

big rip

oh and btw ||demeter|| is a spoiler hurricane and Matenrou

[polar smelt]

another L, very close though, got sloppy with dodging, no matter

I can see the pure damage that build can bring though

[ruby mural]

send a picture of your mirror

so i can see what you have

[polar smelt]

then you'll laugh at the fact I'm still dying

[ruby mural]

no i wont

[polar smelt]

was joke dw

https://i.imgur.com/ZWkFmG2.jpg

welp, turns out that spacebar also resets your mirror

[ruby mural]

get deep pockets

[polar smelt]

so I guess I have 6300 darkness to play around with

[ruby mural]

and switch from stygian soul

back to infernal

[polar smelt]

really? o.o

that's interesting

[ruby mural]

overall infernal soul is better

[polar smelt]

fair

[ruby mural]

and work on getting the keys so you can get the last 2 upgrades

[polar smelt]

https://i.imgur.com/nIYW28T.png

much better

[ruby mural]

yes

when you dont need darkness anymore switch dark regen to chthonic vitality

its better late game

[polar smelt]

really? interesting

[ruby mural]

yes

[polar smelt]

I thought it's a noob trap

[ruby mural]

late game you will never go for darkness

[polar smelt]

oh right ofc

[ruby mural]

so having that bonus 3hp healing each room is way better

now im hungry

[polar smelt]

go eat then

I'm also hungry but it's midnight and kitchen is like, that far away

[modern ivy]

Is there a "best weapon" in this game?

[analog radish]

supper

[fathom crown]

There are popular ones, but "best" really depends on your preference and playstyle. Everything's balanced pretty well.

[analog radish]

no

[ruby mural]

every weapon is 100% viable

[polar smelt]

what's ares' wrath like when you don't pick his boon?

probably blade flurry nonsense.. should be fine

[leaden whale]

i just got ||chaos'|| legendary

feeling proud of myself even though i did nothing that could change my luck to obtain it

[cunning coyote]

@polar smelt His area damage triggers multiple times and lasts longer. No blade rift though

[polar smelt]

yeah it was pretty free, was right choice

[cunning coyote]

aphrodite and posiedon are the ones to watch out for

well and ||demeter|| I guess

[polar smelt]

yeah donkey had mentioned not to mess with posiedon, I also learned it the hard way

If this is the run I get my damn sword clear on, i'm actually gonna be sad cause there is exactly zero synergy

[marble shadow]

Which god is easiest for the trials

Should I even attempt a trial in Elysium

[ocean cosmos]

I find poseidon is the hardest

easiest probably.. athena?

just dont mess with ||demeter|| in tight, confined arena

[unreal eagle]

^

That last line

Is a spoiler

||demeter|| is a spoiler

[ocean cosmos]

really? aight

[torn heart]

what do you do if you get really bad RNG with upgrades? I made it to elysium boss fight with only 2 boons on uselss trash lol

my first boon was ||poseidon legendary fish one||

[ocean cosmos]

lmao

you got a rough time ahead of you xD

just.. go as far as you can

[torn heart]

it was on no upgrade ||chiron bow||, it took forever to kill stuff my hand hurts now

lol

[ocean cosmos]

yeah that aspect really need upgrades in order for it to shine

[torn heart]

What would you put all your upgrades into first Matenrou?

[ocean cosmos]

titan blood?

[torn heart]

ya

I just want to beat the boss

so far I like the rail/sword/spear/fists, dont like siheld or bow

[ocean cosmos]

the weapon you like the most

there's no really bad weapon in this game

for me, it's rails->fist->spear

though i got my first clear with the shield

[torn heart]

is the eris rail good even with just first one?

[ocean cosmos]

super safe, but super boring as well

[torn heart]

i am gonna give that a go again

[ocean cosmos]

yeah eris should be viable

especially if you can get triple bomb/rocket hammer upgrade

[ruby mural]

Loden just wait till you get max lvl chiron bow you're going to love it

[torn heart]

can you guys beat the game 100% now? I am really consistent now about making it to the lats boss in elysium but after that it gets harder for me

ok cool

[ruby mural]

instead of 9 arrows on the volley its 8

[torn heart]

wow

that is great

the 1 is so rough

[ocean cosmos]

pew pew

[ruby mural]

with a crit build i managed to get asterius to half health with 1 and a half volley

[fluid yoke]

i need to get chiron leveled more

[torn heart]

what bow build is the most fun? I hate having to charge the shot

[fluid yoke]

my chiron is only level 2

[ruby mural]

i run crit on chiron

because thats the only bow i use

i tried sea storm, but it didnt do a lot of dmg really

[modern ivy]

How many weap do i need to unlock to use titan blood?

i unlocked 6

[ruby mural]

im pretty sure you need to talk to skelly and do a run

[torn heart]

basically after you equip a weapon stand next to it and hit your button again and it will sy "reveal"

it opens a window

to upgrade stuff

[crisp grove]

zues upgrades not that good w/ shield...

now i know

[unreal eagle]

It's good with the rail gun

[torn heart]

you have to spend the titan blood in the skellington room

[fathom crown]

Have you tried it with Zeus's boon on special? It's a lot of AoE damage

[crisp grove]

no i did it w/ attack and dash

fun but squishy

[ruby mural]

on dash always get athena

[ocean cosmos]

^

best boon

[crisp grove]

i got athena but all upgrades sucked

trap stuff, q deflection, and some other sucky thing

[ruby mural]

just take the trap one so that you can get a better special from someone else

[crisp grove]

k

but i got one of my abilitys to level 4 before bone snake

but i died

low hp

[modern ivy]

Weird

I dont see any thing

[fathom crown]

I love the Athena trap damage reduction boon. It takes a lot of pressure off during the final fight.

[modern ivy]

After i equipped

[ruby mural]

that means you havent unlocked it yet

you need to wait until you get a message from skelly and achillies talking about titan blood im pretty sure

[normal viper]

you have to get every weapon before you unlock aspects

i dont think you have to wait for the message

[torn heart]

what weapons do you guys feel are ResidentSleeper?

[modern ivy]

I unlocked 6 weapons tho, what else

[normal viper]

idk

[torn heart]

Athena, you need to go next to your weapon on the skelly stand

[normal viper]

if by residentsleeper you mean bad, then id say the rail

[torn heart]

and there is a popup= "reveal"

[normal viper]

skelly stand lmao

[torn heart]

it opens a window

[ocean cosmos]

HERESY

[normal viper]

the rail is easily the most controversial weapon in the game lmao

[ocean cosmos]

lol yeah

[normal viper]

most people hate it, some people think its the best weapon in the game

[torn heart]

firs time i used rail I made it to the end of the game but died

[fluid yoke]

i think its amazing

[ocean cosmos]

I hate it at first

[fluid yoke]

the rail

only really had 1 bad run with it

[marble shadow]

Rail is broken when you have auto aim and 0 reload

[ruby mural]

all my runs are bad with the rail

[ocean cosmos]

then I got used to it, and remapped my controller ( MOST IMPORTANT), it blew my mind

[ruby mural]

i find it too boring

[normal viper]

im a bit on the middle ground with the rail

[torn heart]

hey matenrou what is your controlle remapping

[fluid yoke]

i like the rails hammers

[torn heart]

tell me

[fluid yoke]

theyre so fun

[ocean cosmos]

rails?

reload to LB

that's it

[normal viper]

non reload thing is broken yeah lol

[ruby mural]

to get a good rail you need to have luck with hammers

[ocean cosmos]

codex to right stick

[normal viper]

yeah the reload for the rail is on such a weird button

[marble shadow]

I tried a special run with rail and promptly died horribly to [redacted] because Theseus Asterius drained me

[normal viper]

you cant say the final boss' name

[ruby mural]

simon keyes ||hades|| is a spoiler

[normal viper]

make it spoilers

yeah

[fluid yoke]

yeah

[rich cave]

||mark spoilers like this||

[ruby mural]

or just call the final boss [redacted] like you did

[torn heart]

is it worth it to unlock ||guan yu and the other aspects for each weapon?|| I am trying to do that but ||acchiles|| won't talk to me yet

[marble shadow]

||Guan Yu|| unusable imo

[ruby mural]

dont use the hidden spear

[rich cave]

You need to get ||gran yu|| first

[ocean cosmos]

||guan yu|| is.. bad

[marble shadow]

buff the damn hidden spear

[ruby mural]

it has good dmg but the effect is so garbage

[daring dragon]

I loved ||arthur sword|| tho. It’s my favorite so far

[normal viper]

theres a guide in #h1-story-discussion on how to unlock hidden aspects

i think

[ruby mural]

i made it to ||hades|| with it then i gave up

[ocean cosmos]

the tradeoff hurts a lot

[torn heart]

Has anyone here ever done a spear build that hinges on spinning in a circle? it seems so bad

[ruby mural]

i needed to get to ||the surface with guan yu for a prophecy||

[marble shadow]

||arthur sword is so amazing but GY's minimum 50% hp cut is just bad||

[fluid yoke]

|| is guan yu only really usable when oyu have it upgraded||

[marble shadow]

Yeah

[ocean cosmos]

what kinda hurts more is ||because deity behind the spear aspect is really cool||

[fluid yoke]

||like not at 30 percent||

[ruby mural]

id say you get to ||hades|| pretty easily with ||guan yu|| but its very hard to beat him

[daring dragon]

I beat a run with it, but it wasn’t fun or fast

[marble shadow]

guy was a legend

[ocean cosmos]

exactly

[torn heart]

are they actively making DLC now? this gmae is so deep, I have like 12 hours in it now

[marble shadow]

didnt even flinch during an arm surgery

[crystal spindle]

I beat an escape attempt with hidden spear aspect just for the achievement and I havent touched it since

[ocean cosmos]

I dont think SGG do DLC

[torn heart]

so the game is done now?

[ruby mural]

you only need to get to the final boss with the spear you dont have to beat it

[ocean cosmos]

most likely, probably some minor updates, idk if they said anything though

[crystal spindle]

Thats for the fated list

I meant the steam achievement

[ruby mural]

ooo

ill have to do it then

[plucky hornet]

I think there's only one hidden aspect that's really like "this is the best aspect for this weapon for sure" and that's ||the sword||

[ruby mural]

frick

[torn heart]

are any of their other games similar to this one?

[plucky hornet]

that's just my opinion though

[marble shadow]

The List forces us to use inferior boons and aspects :((

[plucky hornet]

none of them are roguelikes if that's what you mean

[ocean cosmos]

what I dont like is the ||special obscures your vision|| xD

[fluid yoke]

we are all in service to the list of prophecies

[torn heart]

my fav game is FTL, and the room selection and stuff and the boons is similar to jumping to new zones in FTL

[plucky hornet]

bastion is also an isometric game and has a bunch of different weapons and a narrator

[ruby mural]

i have 38/49 of the achievements

[plucky hornet]

but it doesn't have randomized rooms

[rich cave]

Most similar game to this I can think of is probably Enter the Gungeon

[plucky hornet]

transistor is turn based from what I understand and pyre is a basketball game

so if you are looking for similar gameplay those are not what you are looking for, but I've heard they're very good

[fluid yoke]

if you want games that have a

[rich cave]

Another rougelike bullet hell

[fluid yoke]

similiar like

repeat gameplay loop

as in the game revolves on exploring an area over and over again

outer wilds kinda does that you explore a solar system in a loop

its not a roguelike at all

but theres that similiar gameplay thing of being stuck in a loop of death and trying to escape it

outside of that no similiarties though

[polar smelt]

#video-games / #off-topic-discussion probably better for this btw

[fluid yoke]

yeah sorry

[polar smelt]

I need to tape a note to my forehead to remind me to cast more

[torn heart]

what keepsakes do you use now? right ow im using the ||chaos egg|| from the start and when I get to ||elysium|| I swap to ||lucky tooth||, is that a good strat?

[daring dragon]

I will go entire runs without ever pressing that button

[polar smelt]

my keepsake depends on what build i'm going for, I swap to ||acorn|| personally

[daring dragon]

I always just use ||lucky tooth|| but it would probably be more efficient to plan my switches out

[ocean cosmos]

||lucky tooth or collar|| is pretty useful for the last stretch (if you dont have ||the acorn|| yet

for starting out, I generally picked what god I wanna build around

[polar smelt]

What's the ||acorn|| from? I don't even remember and I've only had it for like 2 days

[uneven ledge]

you got it from eurydice

[polar smelt]

ahh

[ruby mural]

right now when im working on getting the gods favors i use the god keepsakes but normally i just run hermes' keepsake and switch to ||lucky tooth|| if im low on death defiances

for the last fight

[errant bramble]

That seems very bad. You’re aware you lose the Hermes buffs taking off the keepsake?

Hermes keepsake is an all or nothing deal

[polar smelt]

Elysium done on fists finally, could this be the run

[daring dragon]

Elysium, especially the boss at the end, is my biggest run-killer

[ruby mural]

i know that Wumpel

i only take it off when im low on death defiance

otherwise i keep it on all the time

[cinder cliff]

if i give up do i lose all the darkness and stuff?

[ruby mural]

most of the time i never even lose one of my death defiances

you lose everything you got in that run if you give up yes

[errant bramble]

Okay so tooth gives you up to 100 hp (not always 100) and assuming the last boss hits you for an average of 30 which is probably on the low side, that’s 3 hits. Your accumulated dodge on Plume is worth more than 3 hits.

Even with zero DD plume will be better

[ruby mural]

like i said i almost never lose my death defiances

so most of the time i never switch off

[polar smelt]

it resets you to how you were before you walked into the weapons chamber in your room

[cinder cliff]

[fluid yoke]

you don't lose your streak though

[polar smelt]

ahh that stings, threw away what should have been my fists clear

[fluid yoke]

what happened

[polar smelt]

just sloppy dodging on final boss, got hit with the ||lasers|| whilst ||bloodboiled|| cause I had left cover to deal damage

[fluid yoke]

||blood boiled increases the damage against you right||

[polar smelt]

yes

[daring dragon]

Ohhh I did not know that

[ruby mural]

||i think boiled blood makes hades deal double damage if im not mistaken||

[polar smelt]

can't be bothered with another fists run rn

[ruby mural]

what you going to try out?

[polar smelt]

donno, it's an attack seed rn which means...is sword and fists the only two which you'd default to attack?

jav you go achilles + special, shield you go chaos + special, bow you go chiron + special, rail you go... rail i guess you can go eris + attack

[ruby mural]

yeah

with my sword i default to crit

because the hidden aspect deals so much dmg when you crit

[polar smelt]

fair, crit wasn't offered either unfortunately

attack, dash, cast

[ruby mural]

you only get crit from artemis

[polar smelt]

ah fair

[ruby mural]

which god is offering?

[polar smelt]

that was zeus'

was gonna finally try out my chaos shield

but nope

[ruby mural]

what weapon are you using?

just because you get one bad boon doesnt mean you cant use chaos shield

just pick the cast

[polar smelt]

i like starting off on the right foot

[analog radish]

potato

[ruby mural]

then force a good starting god for what you are aiming for

[stray terrace]

does giving up count as a run

[ruby mural]

no

but yeah forcing a god is the best way to start of on the right foot

i always force a god in tartarus

[polar smelt]

forcing meaning using the keepsake at the start of the run?

or something else

[muted latch]

yes

[ruby mural]

using the gods keepsake at the start

[analog radish]

no

[muted latch]

you can also change keepsake between maps

[analog radish]

https://tenor.com/view/yahia-potato-dance-gif-16070760

[muted latch]

to force another god if you want

[ruby mural]

if you have the work order

if not then you dont get to

[polar smelt]

I have

[ruby mural]

good

then you can do whatever the heck you want :D

[prisma socket]

Is there a recommended keepsake order that people generally use? I've been using the bracer when I go to Elysium/End

But I've only gotten 2 clears, at ~18 attempts. Definitely don't have most of the keepsakes yet.

[ruby mural]

2 clears at 18 total attempts that very good

wait thats what you meant right?

[prisma socket]

Yeah.

[ruby mural]

okay

yeah thats very good

[polar smelt]

I just use whatever boon i'm forcing then swap to ||acorn, which you get from the... I don't even know what the icon is... Asphodel lady ||

[ruby mural]

i got my first clear at 20 attempts

[prisma socket]

First was at 15 with bow. Second was shield at 17

[ruby mural]

send a picture of your keepsakes?

[polar smelt]

Donkey what is that room's actual name

[ruby mural]

the ! door is what i call it

[polar smelt]

perfect

[rich cave]

||Euridence||

[prisma socket]

NPC room

[fair inlet]

if you give nectar for the second time to someone do you get something in return?

[ruby mural]

no

only the first time

[rich cave]

At least I think that’s how you spell it

[ruby mural]

||Eurydice|| i belive

[prisma socket]

Not typically. Save Hades. You get the keepsake to start, then can build your bond with them. That, and talking, is how you build their subplots.

[rich cave]

Giving more nectar is to advance story and you can unlock more stuff later on from doing it

[fair inlet]

So Hades will like your gift? When I gave a nectar to Nyx she said that Hades doesn't like gifts or something like that

[ruby mural]

Unimarobj send a pic of your keepsakes so i could maybe try telling you a good strat with them

[rich cave]

He won’t like it but he will accept it

[bright grail]

you only get one more hearth in the relationship if i am right

[molten sand]

hades is the last boss ?

[rich cave]

Before you finish the main storyline you can only gift hades once

[fair inlet]

and do these hearts do mean anything?

[molten sand]

it's the last boss then

[polar smelt]

that's a spoiler, so not suitable for this channel answer is: ||yes it is||

[molten sand]

ok ok

[bright grail]

idk I hadn't search it

[rich cave]

Please edit your message and mark it with spoilers like this ||text||

[earnest mango]

...the game is called Hades, what was the final boss supposed to be

[bright grail]

Wich is your favourite weapon so far?

[polar smelt]

that's great and all, rules are rules

[rich cave]

It’s technically a spoiler still

[ruby mural]

true

[prisma socket]

You can give Hades the nectar no issue. Hearts just represent the growth with the person. ||Eventually you'll hit a "locked heart" that you need certain story conditions & another item from beating a boss to unlock & really advance their sub story. ||

[daring dragon]

I mean, I expected it too but the method it comes about is surprising

[earnest mango]

Honestly I think that's way too far down to be marked a spoiler but I guess rules are indeed rules.

[ruby mural]

i would say my clears with attempts are pretty average

[daring dragon]

I was actually super shocked on my run where ||hades doesn’t fight you. He just lets you go on||

[ruby mural]

i have 30 clears and 115 runs

i would thats pretty average?

[rich cave]

After one nectar he has a locked heart until you ||bring Persephone back|| (major story spoiler)

[fair inlet]

thanks for the answer
so every god you give can give nectar to has a sub story?

[ruby mural]

every person has a sub story yes

everyone you can give nectar to

has one

yes even sleepy hypnos

[rich cave]

Isn’t there only one character you can’t give ambrosia

[ruby mural]

||you cant give ambrosia to hades||

[rich cave]

It’s Sisyphus right

Oh yeah

[ruby mural]

no you give sisyphus i belive 4 ambrosia to finish him

[rich cave]

I haven’t advanced Sisyphus’ story yet

[ruby mural]

dusa is the character that needs the most ambrosia

she needs ||fricking 10 ambrosia||

[fair inlet]

Do the projectiles of enemies with the weak status effect do less damage?

[ruby mural]

yes

[muted latch]

every damage they do is less

[fair inlet]

ah nice

for some reason I only get Aphrodite powerups in this run

3 out of 3 so far

[ruby mural]

aphrodite has the highest % dmg on your weapons so i guess thats pretty nice

[ocean cosmos]

she loves you

[ruby mural]

she loves everyone ;)

that she likes

[ocean cosmos]

she loves everyone yes lol

[ruby mural]

yeah

[fair inlet]

yeah she gives some sick damage buffs

[covert herald]

yo i just got halting defiance right now but I have stubborn defiance equipped. does that mean I can trigger stubborn defiance 2 times?

[ruby mural]

halting defiance?

[covert herald]

yes

[ruby mural]

where from?

[covert herald]

What do you call that thing when you fall in a hole?

hahahaha

[ruby mural]

ah chaos

one sec

[covert herald]

I got that from there I'm in elysium rn

[analog radish]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-goat-lick-tongue-out-im-at-the-farm-gif-16455647

[ruby mural]

is there a picture of another defiance over your health bar?

[analog radish]

dud no

it donest give u an extre one

it refills the ones u lose

[ruby mural]

it literally says it does

You have +1 use of Death Defiance (this escape attempt)

legendary chaos boon

[covert herald]

So it wont work with stubborn defiance?

[analog radish]

ahha

[ruby mural]

over your health bar you see the infinity sign

[covert herald]

yes

[ruby mural]

is ther a picture off another one?

[analog radish]

i thought u guys were talking about kill of styx

my bad

[errant bramble]

It gives you an extra one. If you have 3 DD and get Chaos DD, you now have 4

[analog radish]

dont think chaos works with suburn

[ruby mural]

i havent tried so idk

[covert herald]

no only the infinity sign

[ruby mural]

i never use stubborn

then it doesnt work with it

[covert herald]

its okay I will just test it later

[analog radish]

stubborn is bad

u got skam

[errant bramble]

So if you die, it should use stubborn first until you REALLY die and then will use chaos

[covert herald]

okay thanks hahaha

[ruby mural]

its good if you're struggling in the normal rooms

but it sucks against bosses

[analog radish]

no

how doe sstuborm work

does it refill after u clear the room?

[ruby mural]

one death defiance per chamber

yes

[errant bramble]

You should know. You said it was bad.

[analog radish]

or is it when u go in the next chamber

[ruby mural]

when you go in the next chamber

[analog radish]

yes

[rich cave]

Only fills to 30% though instead of 50%

[analog radish]

so u cant get chaos legendary when

when to dd

beacuse

when u go in hole

[errant bramble]

Clearly they can bc they just got it

[analog radish]

it will refill

[ruby mural]

and there is i believe 11 chambers per floor

[analog radish]

no

dud

i mean

[rich cave]

Does the Athena boon that raises death defiance % work on stubborn defiance

[errant bramble]

Yes Noob

[ruby mural]

yes

[analog radish]

dud

u sayed

[ruby mural]

the text just says stubborn defiance instead of death defiance

[analog radish]

im confused

[ruby mural]

when you are using the different ones

[analog radish]

anyway

this is dumb

maybe it doesnt work

idk

[ruby mural]

only death will tell

[analog radish]

its not gonna work

if no icon

[solar panther]

Just don’t die lol

[ruby mural]

yeah i dont think it will either

[analog radish]

bruh

zag: dies
hypnos: lmao dont die

[ruby mural]

hypnos: lmao just move out of the way noob

[analog radish]

[rich cave]

I mean I’ve beat it on like ||8 heat|| without losing a single death defiance so I don’t really worry about them too much lol

[ruby mural]

hypnos: just kill the boss faster dum dum

[analog radish]

have u herd of not getting hit lmao cringe

[ruby mural]

Hypnos: it says here you got burnt to a crisp

Hypnos: just move out of it stupid

[rich cave]

I keep asking what a redacted is but nobody will tell me

[ruby mural]

||hades||

[solar panther]

I think that was sarcasm

[rich cave]

...I was quoting Hypnos

Lmao

[solar panther]

Yeah that’s what I thought

[ruby mural]

hypnos is the most chill guy

[solar panther]

Is Hypnos a guy?

[ruby mural]

yes

[solar panther]

Oh

[azure quarry]

hypnos is annoying

[ruby mural]

nyx literally says she has 2 sons

[analog radish]

||its ur dad||

[ruby mural]

than and hypnos

[analog radish]

literaly

ahha bruh

im smort

[ruby mural]

yes very

[rich cave]

And Charon

[analog radish]

so

people say

[ruby mural]

true

[solar panther]

Who would win: Dusa or Charon?

[analog radish]

haha hypnos sleep

funny

but not

[ruby mural]

charon's language is so sexy

[analog radish]

hyplos=sleep

bruh

french

lmao

try charon

[drowsy plover]

Grrraauuughhh

[ruby mural]

huuuuuuuuuuagh

[rich cave]

I love it when than yells at Hypnos for sleeping

[analog radish]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-freaking-out-crazy-gif-8832122

[ruby mural]

ill translate what Charon says

[solar panther]

Hrruuaaaaaagh

[rich cave]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/vIXBD7wOrc3RDawt24PSzpcRNDmsnR34_1xSMGjgVx0/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/EqbMFRsVoAAo9If.jpg%3Alarge

[ruby mural]

Charon: ||Yo Zag see that gold bag back there click it or buy something stupid||

[rich cave]

Charon has 120 different ways to say “hrrrraaaaagggghhh”

[solar panther]

As it should be

[ruby mural]

he is just too smart for us to understand his language

[drowsy plover]

And that's depending on his emotions

[analog radish]

https://tenor.com/view/change-mad-crazy-grr-grrr-gif-19020842

your wellcome

[fair inlet]

Eurydice's voice is so beautiful

[solar panther]

Ikr

[ruby mural]

when charon doesnt have anything to say to you he says in his language "Go away stupid Zag buy something and leave"

[solar panther]

When you don’t buy something he just slurs at you

[analog radish]

https://tenor.com/view/horny-jail-bonk-dog-hit-head-stop-being-horny-gif-17298755

[ruby mural]

and calls you ugly

[solar panther]

How is liking someone’s voice a sentence to horny jail

I mean megs voice does that but not euridyce

[analog radish]

i dont know

[solar panther]

[analog radish]

i like posting bonk

[drowsy plover]

Zag: trying to break some urns for gold/ health snacks
Charon: "stop hitting me fool or I'll give you a fight you won't forget"

[hardy oyster]

||how to use pets?||

[cinder cliff]

can another duo boon appear if i sell the old one?

[analog radish]

press 1

[solar panther]

I think so

[drowsy plover]

Sometimes yes

[daring dragon]

One of the things that impresses me the most about hades is that in 45 hours of playing I’ve never noticed the same dialogue line twice

[hardy oyster]

it says unavailable

[solar panther]

@daring dragon there are over 300,000 words of dialogue, it’s crazy

[daring dragon]

Wait I gotta check something

THATS 3 TIMES MORE THAN FALLOUT 4

[drowsy plover]

Well I stumbled upon the same dialogue with ||Orpheus|| twice... and well Hypnos saying "Welcome to the House of Hades and thanks for dying!" a few times

But I'm still impressed that there's still lots of dialogue to uncover and I have 70 runs already

[fast gyro]

Hey question, whats the best keeksake to run with ||aspect of Hera||

I think I'm just gonna take Than's and practice not getting hit

Wait NVM Artimes's is pretty good for this one right?

[marsh ether]

Dio for Trippy Shot would be my choice

[muted latch]

I always keepsake dio to get early festive fog

the rest are up to you

no you want a powerful cast asap

trippy or crush shot

[fast gyro]

Okay, sounds good. Crush shot is from who again?

[muted latch]

Hera lives and dies by powerful casts

Aphro

[fast gyro]

Oh okay sounds good

Thank you

[muted latch]

get +1 cast from chaos asap, then get arty, pray for fully loaded

[fast gyro]

Damn Crush shot is really good

I always struggle to use it in other builds due to it's short range

[muted latch]

high damage, decent AOE, can combo with something like ares for priv status

[paper zephyr]

I've faced the first boss the lady 8 times now and cannot beat her. Any tipes?

[polar smelt]

true tbh, this thing is so good, I crutch too much on my first boon too much but when im better i'll be using that 99% of runs lol

[muted latch]

learn her patterns basically

Meg is not that tough

[cinder cliff]

should i get ||erybus gate|| unlocked, whatever that is, before getting the other diamond upgrades?

[muted latch]

all her attacks have very clear tells

you can save erebus for later

[rich cave]

Only if you play with at least ||5 heat||

[cinder cliff]

im on 1

[candid storm]

make sure to get a good build, and stay away when she flys up ( she will use her whip ) and also dont forget to dash alot incase she uses her aoe move thing

[paper zephyr]

I'm not sure what a good build is really I usually just grab whatever boon is most rare.

I also have been using mainly the spear and fists

[rich cave]

Try to get boons that work well together

[candid storm]

i reccomend going for ||daedalus hammer||

it gives very good buff

buffs*

[muted latch]

if you see a hammer, get the hammer

[candid storm]

its vital to use in a good run

[fast gyro]

Just wanna say YES GOT CHAOS's extra cast bonus!

[candid storm]

yeh

no matter what the other choice is

go for the hammer

[paper zephyr]

Ok

[ruby mural]

hammer is always the better option unless you're doing a no hammer run xd

[candid storm]

and for starters, i'd use exagryph or stygius

[polar smelt]

he wouldn't have exagryph yet

[cinder cliff]

should i always go for chaos gates if i dont care about the hp penalty?

[ruby mural]

shield is very new player friendly

[candid storm]

he said he has fists

[ruby mural]

its very safe

[rich cave]

Yes

[candid storm]

shield can block most attacks if not all

[rich cave]

You usually get really good stuff

[candid storm]

and if your worried about chaos hp penalty, use his ||cosmic egg||

[rich cave]

Shield can block anything aside from aoe attacks and traps

[candid storm]

and you wont have to worry about it

[rich cave]

It’s kinda a waste though because it doesn’t guarantee a chaos gate will spawn

[candid storm]

true

but the hp penalty doesn't matter much if you have ||cursed slash|| and like 100 hp

[rich cave]

Every time I’ve used it I didn’t get a chaos gate lol

[candid storm]

sa

d

[rich cave]

I always start with 100hp because of a mirror upgrade and I rarely take damage aside from entering chaos gates

And you can just heal at the end of the floor

[candid storm]

i have the mirror upgrade aswell

yeh

if im going for a revenge counter run ( like revenge boons ) i use skellys lucky tooth

[rich cave]

That reminds me of a time I had a chaos curse during the hydra fight that hurt me if I attacked with shield

That was not a fun fight

Pretty sure I was on ||extreme measures 2|| also

[candid storm]

i legit never go for anything that says " your attack makes you take dmg "

unless im going for a cast / special build

[ruby mural]

yeah

[rich cave]

I almost never do

[fast gyro]

... I literally messed up that run because I paused, to ask for more advice then hit sign out instead of task manager, when I did Ctrl+Alt+Delete

[ruby mural]

oof

[candid storm]

one run i got like 8 chaos gates in total

and 6 of them had the thing that gives my attack extra dmg

but i was going for a special build

so i couldn't take it

[fast gyro]

Though it brought me back to my last save point which was in House of Hades and my current run the one I just started seems to be the exact same, as the one I lost due to signing out

[polar smelt]

the first few rooms after seeded

[ruby mural]

because it counted as a "give up"

[polar smelt]

after that it's random

[ruby mural]

only if you press give up

if you dont you get different stuff

[polar smelt]

true

[fast gyro]

Yeah the first room both times was gemstones then Daedalus Hammer, and the hammer has the same upgrades

[lethal mantle]

what is the maximum amounts of god will help u per attempt

the variety of boon u will get

[errant bramble]

5 unless you force more with keepsakes

[polar smelt]

fists are weird to build, I want to take advantage of privileged status, but I don't like using my special between attacks, prefer to dodge

[ruby mural]

you have dash special with fists tho

so you can dash and special at the same time

[fair inlet]

woah the guys in Elysium are tough

[polar smelt]

aye that they are

[ruby mural]

hmm?

[polar smelt]

they were my brickwall for most of my early runs, bit easier after some clears of it

[ruby mural]

yes

[polar smelt]

....?

any uhh

[analog radish]

yes

[polar smelt]

relevance to this channel?

at all?

[analog radish]

yes

very

[ruby mural]

i would say thats more relevant to #off-topic-discussion

[paper zephyr]

Omg i almost killed her,!! Those tips helped thabks

[analog radish]

i was never here

[polar smelt]

gz strange

[ruby mural]

okay very

[fair inlet]

haha I reached Elysium and Hades seems to be very angry today.
I wonder if it's accidental or scripted

[analog radish]

meg?

[ruby mural]

you were never here

[analog radish]

dont say very

[ruby mural]

what do you want me to type?

VeryGoodYesYes

[analog radish]

its script

[ruby mural]

thats too long

ill call you VGYY

[polar smelt]

i'm just not gonna reference him

[analog radish]

bruh

[sly vigil]

Call them archer cat

[analog radish]

https://tenor.com/view/にゃんこ大戦争-超ネコ祭-battle-cats-god-cat-gif-12671048

yes

finnaly a man of culture

archer cat best cat

im gonna like get muted for "off topic"

[ruby mural]

yes