then if you dont mind a bit of spoilarage and really want to know it now: theres a pinned comment with all the necessary stuff you need to get it in #h1-story-discussion
#h1-for-new-players
subtle granite
dread flight (special hits 4 more enemies) is very nice with boons that clear by themselves like ares' curse of pain or dionysus' Drunken Flourish
ocean void
Everybody talking about how well Supergiant made the characters when my fav character is the dog
cunning granite
omg YES
subtle granite
cerby baby is the best character
cunning granite
i ALWAYS pet cerberus
subtle granite
but there are two hidden characters that you might find just as good
something to look forward to ;)
ocean void
Yes the first thing I do when I come back is pet cerberus
cunning granite
i also love the shade smile reaction when the broker is the featured houseservant
it makes me smile each time
subtle granite
then again nobody takes cerby baby's crown of being the best boi in the underworld
the shades in the house of hades are so fun
cunning granite
alright one more beginner question about the gems, do i save them only for the contractor upgrades to fountains etc
or is it any worth doing the cosmetic upgrades
do they unlock some story feature or is that not worth the gems at all
subtle granite
for the beginning use them for mainly the main run based upgrades
some cosmetics do give some story content but the main upgrades are far more important (so you can get even more gems :D)
cunning granite
amazing and also the less number of battle chambers and the more fountains/shops the better
i like breaks
ocean void
Also am I the only one that dies a lot at the "choose a boon and get attacked by the other one" chambers?
floral nacelle
The trials? Yeah, I think that happens a lot when you’re just beginning
cunning granite
i actively avoid them now cuz i did 2 and almost died
floral nacelle
Then you learn which gods you probably shouldn’t anger
subtle granite
nah, those are harder encounters + fight the god encounters, they want you to fail ;_;
trutru
floral nacelle
And yeah, they’re harder because the gods add their own attacks
cunning granite
is zeus the rarest one to boon
subtle granite
i always think of the worst case scenarios with the questions lol
floral nacelle
Never anger Aphrodite
ocean void
Yes I always avoid trials with her now died all 3 times I angered her
cunning granite
i think zeus and hermes i get the least of
cunning granite
i learnt from the trojan war haha never ever anger aphrodite
ocean void
I barely see any Hermes boons, but I see Zeus a lot
subtle granite
thats pure rng with the zeus or no zeus issue
you probably got a different god to always care for you in his stead :D
i got dio and artemis and ngl, i like it :)
cunning granite
interesting i didnt know there were assigned gods that way
subtle granite
it's pure rng but it does feel assigned
cunning granite
i think ive gotten quite a lot of poseidon and aphrodite maybe
toxic hamlet
then if you dont mind a bit of spoilarage and really want to know it now: theres...
Ty!
subtle granite
oooh so they are your fairy god parents then :D
ocean void
I think I see a lot of Ares boons
cunning granite
athena makes a lot of appearances now too
cunning granite
id love a stats list to show how many times i encountered which god etc.. maybe the codex will tell me
subtle granite
maybe you'll get one later on ;)
cunning granite
👀 ahhh i cant wait
subtle granite
you're really lucky with athena then, she can reallymake your run easier 👀
honestly the game is so much intense fun once you're over the first few wins
wishing yall the best luck to get there as soon (and safely) as possible :)
fluid crown
each time i play it seems harder to get to the point i was (third boss)
why are the bosses getting harder and harder lol
subtle granite
may i ask what it is that gets harder and harder exactly? the enemies, dodging, the new build/weapons? :o
reef shoal
What is everyone's favorite twin fists aspect?
idk which aspect to dump titan's blood into
subtle granite
talos 🙏
subtle granite
talos is nice when you have little blood
reef shoal
I have 20 bloods from fated list
subtle granite
you only really feel demeter when you push a lot of blood into it i'd say but idk
have it maxed but talos has my heart
subtle granite
spoiler the name please :c
reef shoal
I always get ||that darn soul catcher||
subtle granite
hmm that might just be very bad rng, are you sure you are taking the middle boss rooms?
not those names, the aspect name
thank you <33
fluid crown
may i ask what it is that gets harder and harder exactly? the enemies, dodging, ...
||the bosses are changing like the sisters of meg or the hydra and they are so much harder lol||
subtle granite
ah well thats just so you constantly have something to learn
reef shoal
hmm that might just be very bad rng, are you sure you are taking the middle boss...
How can I tell which room has ||Solo Asterius||
subtle granite
you can have over 500 runs in the game so having the same bosses every time can get boring fast :c
subtle granite
How can I tell which room has ||Solo Asterius||
fluid crown
you mean over 500 to beat it once? XD
subtle granite
well some take over 100 attempts to beat it once and thats ok
reef shoal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/had...
Aren't solo asterius and armored soul catcher both minibosses?
or is solo asterius considered a boss?
subtle granite
anyways if you liook at the pic in the elite badges you have a 50% chance of seeing him when you see the mini boss badge
else you dont
reef shoal
Guess I'd better keep trying
subtle granite
yeah, wish you good rng for the next runs!
subtle granite
you mean over 500 to beat it once? XD
if you struggle that much dont be afraid to ask ok? it took me personally over 80 attempts for the first clear because i just did many things wrong i later on started fresh files and cleared in 20 runs since i finally learned :)
fluid crown
i have only 14 attempts now so its ok xd
subtle granite
okidokes :D
fluid crown
also i have diamonds and blood of titans but idk where to use them xd
subtle granite
diamonds are mainly used with the house contractor and blood for the weapons once you got them all
fluid crown
i have all 6 weapons
subtle granite
have you gone on a run and seen a weird red sheen on the one weapon you have equipped?
fluid crown
idk actually
but now i walked up to one and pressed E and it showed a screen where i can use the blood i think
fluid crown
well the gloves are my favorite so i'll use all the blood on them:D
subtle granite
:o fists is a very interesting choice, havent seen a gloves lad in a while
iron relic
Ok so what's the story with the brightswords, etc
they need to arm themselves with weapons yeah?
subtle granite
yes
iron relic
It's the holo ones that are floating around right
subtle granite
they will drop their weapons upon first deaths and i think try to get a different/new one later on
exactly
bronze glacier
Hit the floating ghost orbs as soon as they show up to keep them from respawning
Elysium gets easier the more you know about it
cunning granite
yes i didnt know about the ghost bubbles until my 3rd elysium chamber
iron relic
Oh that's cool my status says im in elisium
subtle granite
and now you're battlig the bull of minos ;o;
bronze glacier
Oh man good luck, he's a tough one
subtle granite
a tough cookie
at least his health gets lowered in the champion fight when you prevail
bronze glacier
Yeah but ||Theseus|| is still a little bit of a buttmuncher
subtle granite
he left to ||cuddle with theseus||
bronze glacier
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
stray terrace
flushed
bronze glacier
OH my god that's gold
subtle granite
;3
subtle granite
||patty||
bronze glacier
||Eurydice||
subtle granite
wait what??
bronze glacier
Oh wait Elysium; I'm stupid
subtle granite
xD
iron relic
What do they give you?
subtle granite
some good stuff
iron relic
Any health?
bronze glacier
No it's ||Patroclus||; please ignore me and my complete inability to read
subtle granite
yes
iron relic
good
subtle granite
aww Microwave it's ok
iron relic
Im between charon and them
subtle granite
👀
bronze glacier
Imma say skip Charon just because I know what the alternative is and it's very useful
iron relic
Yes i got the better health recovery
subtle granite
awh yeah
bronze glacier
Big brain moves
Always visit your friends in the underworld; they have the good stuff
bronze glacier
Hand his butt to him; he's a major dingus
iron relic
Goteem
solar panther
So I got my first clear after 24 runs earlier today 
and what should I do now with the ||pact of punishment||?
subtle granite
experiment with it 
solar panther
That sounds like the right thing to do
subtle granite
or clear on 0 ||heat|| with the other weapons, it's your pact
solar panther
Yea I’ll give it a go
subtle granite
have fun and good luck! ||dont set all punishments to max, it will be literal hell||
cunning granite
i had such a good build run with zeus, hermes, athena and dio and was about 3 strikes away from killing ||theseus and minotaur|| and just straight up DIED
im so upset
potent summit
i had such a good build run with zeus, hermes, athena and dio and was about 3 st...
I feel your pain dude they suck to fight
ruby cedar
Hey im at ||hades fight|| and im wondering how to build my mirror of night
subtle granite
How tf do I clear the game with the Adamant Rail
get zeus attack and beg for clusterbomb
ruby cedar
Rail is amazing
pastel cipher
Another option is get aphro special, zeus call and pray for cluster bomb and/or smoldering air
ruby cedar
Thats whats the special is for
subtle granite
try to time your specials that you special when you gotta reload
civic blaze
what to get for special?
ruby cedar
When your reloading to do so damage
subtle granite
Aggy is there another good attack boon for rail? i tried with dio but it's just bad
ruby cedar
Its a grenade literally anything works
subtle granite
favored are aphro, arty, ares for the rail special
ruby cedar
Rail is good for no brain spam x and y while i dodge so i dont get hurt
civic blaze
i tried artemis attack on rail and it still wasn't enough damage
subtle granite
well one hit does 10 damage
pastel cipher
Aggy is there another good attack boon for rail? i tried with dio but _it's just...
Possibly demeter arctic blast build
civic blaze
still got creamed in Elysium
ruby cedar
Spam x and y and dodge like crazy
subtle granite
so even the artemis bonus doesnt make the attack do any feelable damage
civic blaze
yes
subtle granite
thats personal preference and i'm glad you feel so positive about rail
ruby cedar
Im at the end boss and it has served me well
iron relic
...just got clapped
subtle granite
...just got clapped
oh no what happeed
civic blaze
And people love the rail
subtle granite
nobody hates hates sword 🤔
civic blaze
I can't understand
ruby cedar
I hate the sword the spear and rail is so good
subtle granite
anyways every weapon has its haters
rail has the most confused ones because literally everybody seems to love it
civic blaze
i do not understand why people like the rail
subtle granite
sword gets hated from the ranged lads maybe but since its your first weapon ever it never gets the same hate
civic blaze
it does 10 damage and you have to reload every few seconds
subtle granite
same Saturnwrath
ruby cedar
To explain explosin
iron relic
When I first get a weapon I dislike it bu then I manage to get really far with it so...
ruby cedar
Y button
subtle granite
300h+ and i still hate every second with rail
ruby cedar
Yes but aoe
subtle granite
60 damage with incredible time management
civic blaze
60 runs and I stillc can't clear with rail
ruby cedar
Your not spamming hard enough
ruby cedar
Your not playing it right if hands dont hurt after a runn
subtle granite
every speedrunner recommends getting zeus on attack for rail and just beg for clusterbomb
civic blaze
Thats why I prefer the sword
subtle granite
it does some insane damage if you take your time then :)
civic blaze
All you have to do is slap on an Athena boon
subtle granite
and that's perfectly fine
civic blaze
and just spam
subtle granite
lool
subtle granite
try again next run ok?
subtle granite
if you still need help, we're here
ruby cedar
I messed up my first 2 titan blood and i dont know how to fix it
subtle granite
or watch a speedrunner attempt with the rail ok?
ruby cedar
Me or......
subtle granite
you can learn extremely much by watching em
i meant because of the issues with rail
i grew to be indifferent about it because of vorime and bablo lol
civic blaze
Thanks u guys
subtle granite
I messed up my first 2 titan blood and i dont know how to fix it
well now you know for the future that if you want to try leveling with blood: train on skelly first, DONOT go back into the house of hades; and if you dislike your choice just go back to the last save
it works with everything, even trading or trying something at the house contractor :)
subtle granite
Thanks u guys
sure thing, may the gods give you a swift and safe run with the rail soon!
iron relic
How does leveling things up with titan blood work?
subtle granite
Is there mirror of night builds?
only some vids about which are the preferred aspects and somebody wrote a long wall of text comparing the mirrors on this server, one sec
vivid patio
haelian's vid is fine
subtle granite
yeah that
vivid patio
later on a lot of what you use on the mirror is more dependant on what build you aim for on a run but he does have fair suggestions about what to focus on earlier on when you start
iron relic
Can you only have one aspect on each weapon?
vivid patio
there are 4 per weapon: your default and three that you unlock
subtle granite
you can have every aspect leveled but can only use one aspect at a time
iron relic
Alr
vivid patio
you can change which aspect you use between runs, they will change up the playstyle of each weapon
iron relic
And how do u get more titan blood?
I saw that ||charon was selling some at the end but it was way too expensive||
vivid patio
you can get those, it will take a bit of hoarding during a run though. you can also get them through ||the broker and completing prophecies.|| the most reliable way after that will be defeating the final boss
subtle granite
yeah you get 2 blood once per clear per weapon per difficulty; so if you cleared with shield you can either get more via switching the weapon or setting the difficulty higher
ruby cedar
Your rught it melts boss health
subtle granite
at the very start it is recommended to trade for it at the house of hades lounge
torpid vault
Is end boss spoilers in this chat?
raw coral
yes
torpid vault
Ok
raw coral
Ty for asking 
subtle granite
all channels give the description of whats considered a spoiler in the channel
raw coral
Ask/discuss in the #h1-story-discussion channel about the final boss
torpid vault
Couldn't tell if it meant after end boss or not
strange crater
hello. What happens when i give ambrosia to charon?
raw coral
Ask in #h1-story-discussion if you wanna know
strange crater
okay
iron relic
How fast is the full auto on the rail btw?
I want to see if that's the case cause it automatically reloads if u manually click
raw coral
Attacking with an empty clip doesn't reload automatically, you need to press the reload button afaik
leaden whale
it's better to manually reload then cancel it with a special or dash
molten arch
Is there a way to make the game run smoothly on low spec laptops?
When i reach the second level the game becomes really slow and annoying to play
subtle granite
maybe use the 32-bit render version?
leaden whale
when u launch the game thru steam it gives you options for which engine it uses
idk about EGS
subtle granite
when you boot up the game you can chose between 3 different render versions
leaden whale
if you have an AMD cpu vulkan should work nicely
molten arch
when you boot up the game you can chose between 3 different render versions
I never had the choice to do that
subtle granite
i noticed my game also stutters later on in the run and tried vulkan first, but it got worse and now i'm using 32-bit
molten arch
The game just starts normally
leaden whale
hmm
subtle granite
egs or steam?
molten arch
Steam
leaden whale
molten arch
:-(
molten arch
Okey i will thank you very much
subtle granite
hope you get the help you needed and that your game runs better soon!
ocean void
Just beat hydra first try, wasn't as hard as I expected
fluid yoke
hydras fun yeah
ocean void
I thought it was just a miniboss for a sec before it spawned the extra heads
ocean void
Even those small heads were easy to kill though, aegis with dread flight and curse of agony destroys them
Curse of pain*
fluid yoke
whars dread flight
ocean void
Makes aegis' special ricochet 4 more times
fluid yoke
ah
thar sounds useful
doom damage is one of my favourite things though yeah though i agree
lyric kettle
when an item says "encounter" do boss fights count as "encounters"
for it to take effect
old escarp
Yes, unless it says Standard Encounter
lyric kettle
aight thx
sand crag
I beat the Bone Hydra on my first try. I was using the trident, and I think I might have also had to take advantage of a revive.
He was hard, though. Pretty sure I was a hair’s width from dying multiple times.
sand crag
Also, sorry for not knowing the proper terminology. I know there are multiple revives, but I’m pretty new, so I haven’t gotten the names and stuff down yet.
ocean void
(Revives are called death defiance, or DD for short)
sand crag
There’s one revive that’s once per run for 40%, and then the other is once per room for 30%, I believe. I haven’t bought the latter yet.
old escarp
Standard Death Defiance is 50% once, Stubborn Defiance is once per room but 30%
fluid yoke
lucky tooth is static 100
sand crag
Yep, that’s it. Thank you! I only have the normal DD at the moment, but I’m saving up for the Stubborn DD.
The farthest I’ve made it so far is the Bull of Minos in Elysium, who seems to be the boss, but I feel like I reached him extremely early.
floral nacelle
You probably encountered him as a miniboss
He is an actual boss later on, so yay for practice
quartz condor
should i recommend applying blood just to my favorite weapon? not sure how easy it is to farm bloods
old escarp
You'll get more eventually, so I think it's fine to use it how you want
sand crag
I thought that might be the case, sort of like the Megagorgon and the Skull-crusher or the Doomcrystal, but he had the boss health bar, so I wasn’t totally sure.
fluid yoke
if you fight asterius early on in elysium he has less health in the main battle
so it really helps
and also for practise against him
sand crag
My favorite weapons so far are definitely Varatha and Aegis.
And that reminds me: are the weapons in this game scaled so that there are intentional and definite divides between good weapons and bad weapons? Or can you use pretty much any one you’d like to beat it?
floral nacelle
The weapons are pretty balanced, yeah
sand crag
OK, cool.
fluid yoke
different ones are definitely better in situations
but it all depends on your boons and hammers
floral nacelle
But spear appears to be more hated for its more niche hammers and relative difficulty in making the best of each aspect
fluid yoke
i like the spear it's probably my fave
old escarp
Each weapon has its own playstyle, so it's mostly about finding the one that suits you. But as others said, they're all well balanced
marble shadow
Base spear is amazing
fickle mountain
is deflecting ||hades' and thesus' 360 swing|| impossible?
ocean void
I just got ||distant memory from the musician, what does "distant" mean exactly?||
fluid yoke
orpheusssss
sand crag
Aegis reminds me a lot of Royalguard from DMC in the way it uses defense offensively, and I’m a pretty big fan since the game doesn’t have a block button otherwise.
I really do like Varatha, though. It’s fun for back-stabs, I like the throw-and-return mechanic, and I like its spin attack.
I would say that I like certain Aegis builds better than anything I’ve done with Varatha so far, but base Varatha probably beats base Aegis for me.
marble shadow
Aegis cheeses so many things
floral nacelle
Uh, I haven't tried it myself, but supposedly it means like 3/4 away on your screen
marble shadow
I got the Aegis hammer which you dont bull rush, but you release a projectile
sand crag
Yeah, the projectile is way better than the Bull Rush for me.
ocean void
Never tried that before
marble shadow
Which kinda negates the 'downside' that you may accidentally dash into any kind of damage
fluid yoke
i like rhe spear hammer that makes your special a 50 damage projectile
ocean void
I usually go with faster bull rush, or the one where your shield throw bounces more
sand crag
It’s especially strange since the base projectile is twice as strong as a base Bull Rush, if memory serves.
fluid yoke
makes it more spammable
marble shadow
i like rhe spear hammer that makes your special a 50 damage projectile
that is good yeah
I usually pair it with armored piercing
fluid yoke
that sounds good
marble shadow
because I hate armored enemies
fluid yoke
oh yeah they're awful
how many attempts do you have so far
person who's name i cannot say
sand crag
Nine or ten, I think.
sand crag
Also, let me fix my name.
fluid yoke
not sure how long it took for me to get to elysium
took a few tries to get to the boss though
sand crag
Yeah, I don’t think I’ve made it to the boss yet.
fluid yoke
the boss is tough good luck with it
sand crag
I like having deflect on Aegis’s regular attack so that timing projectile releases lets me deflect attacks.
I haven’t tried deflect on Bull Rush yet, but I doubt I’d like it as much. The best I can say for Bull Rush over the projectile so far is that the projectile immediately drops your guard whereas Bull Rush seems to keep the guard up for the dash.
ocean void
And I thought elysium was easier than the magma world that I cant remember the name of, until the shield enemies showed up
fluid yoke
asphodel
sand crag
Asphodel, yeah.
floral nacelle
yeah, the constant blocking is annoying
floral nacelle
that's why artemis is so good, her cast and call and I think even support fire go past shields
fluid yoke
ghosts that can regen
hearty tulip
Theseus and the Montour can take a hike of a cliff for the sentiment I feel towards them
fluid yoke
sheer enemy spam
but i believe you can get through it
its one of the most beautiful areas at least
for mw
i like theseus and asterius
and they are probably gay but honestly i insult theseus so much when i fight him
hearty tulip
Definitely gay
fluid yoke
he makes it so easy
hearty tulip
Like Artemis
sand crag
As a person who’s pretty into Greco-Roman mythology, I really like the world of the game, and I appreciate that they haven’t mixed Greek and Roman names so far.
fluid yoke
isn't it all
hearty tulip
You cannot not be gay when you go hunting with a bunch of naked women who all decided not to date men
fluid yoke
greek?
sand crag
Yeah, it’s all Greek.
fluid yoke
yeah i know an album that mixes them but in a way that makes sense to the plot of the album
i like the game world as well though
if nothing else because everyone's name is so cool to say
sand crag
Also, overflowing Asphodel with the Phlegethon was a pretty creative way to explain the disparity between its in-game representation and its real-world depiction, and I appreciated that.
floral nacelle
The Zeus-Artemis duo boon conversation is pretty spicy
Like, Artemis alludes to why she won't hook up with any of the suitors her dad sends her
hearty tulip
It is but Zues ain't very good for single target damage
fluid yoke
(what's the phlegethon)
floral nacelle
They probably didn't want to make asphodel too similar to elysium, a decision I understand
fluid yoke
ah
sand crag
It supposedly extends all the way down into Tartarus.
hearty tulip
Wait is asthodal like Elysium. I thought athsodel was for the bad souls and Elysium for the good fighters who dies souls
fluid yoke
elysium ia for like heroes and sfuff
sand crag
Tartarus is for the evil, Asphodel is for normal people, and Elysium is for the heroic.
floral nacelle
Asphodel is for mediocre souls, people who did nothing exceptionally bad in their life but no exceptionally great deeds either
hearty tulip
Oh okay
sand crag
In Greek mythology, anyways.
hearty tulip
Then yeah Athsodel being lietral fire then for normal souls is a little harsh
sand crag
Tartarus is basically hell, Elysium is closer to heaven, and Asphodel is kinda like limbo.
In popular thought, anyways.
fluid yoke
theseus should have gone to tartarus (not serious)
hearty tulip
Then Styx like your on the verge of life don't cross the damn river
sand crag
For what it’s worth, in Greek mythology, Asphodel and Elysium are both plains-esque areas, with Asphodel being meadows and Elysium being fields. Not sure what the exact semantic difference in Ancient Greek would have been, but that’s how the terms are usually translated into English.
hearty tulip
I know Percy Jackson levels of ancient Greek which ain't a lot
fluid yoke
which bosses
fluid yoke
ah yes those
sand crag
Also, is Theseus a bad dude in this game? He was a hero in Ancient Greece.
fluid yoke
if you want my advice
deal with asterius first
especially if he's already down from a previous fight in elysium
then you just have theseus who is kind of a pushover by himself
without a giant minotaur charging at you
still be careful though
hearty tulip
The get sniped while you try take down minotor as you dodge him and only whittle him down to half health
But yeha that's the plan
floral nacelle
Theseus was pretty much a jerk in mythology too
fluid yoke
the javelins are very annoying
but honestly just
like dash enough
and use the pillars
floral nacelle
Abandoning Ariadne, who betrayed her nation to help him, not putting up the sails to let his family know he was alive, etc.
hearty tulip
I swear the javelin aim bot is far to accurate for its own good
fluid yoke
it is
i believe the first run i cleared elysium
it was by rapid fire rocket launchering the bosses
if that helps at all
adamant rail hammers what can i say
leaden whale
my first time beating the boys was also w rail
sand crag
Theseus forgetting to put up his sails was a major bruh moment.
Abandoning Ariadne wasn’t great, either, but the reason given for that choice varies, if I remember right. Sometimes, it’s just because Theseus was a meanie, but I think it’s also written that Dionysus wanted to marry Ariadne and demanded that Theseus leave her.
leaden whale
Athena in the studio be like: yo I'm boutta invent spiders watch this
sand crag
Greek myths can get wishy-washy on the details, especially for massively popular figures.
fluid yoke
in one interpretation of it i know of
that isn't like the original myth
theseus just steals all the credit for killing the minotaur from ariadne and just doesn't marry her
sand crag
Not familiar with that version.
sand crag
Oh, oh, gotcha. That makes more sense.
Modern reinterpretations of myths can be fun.
Or retellings, I suppose.
Depends on how much changes.
fluid yoke
yeah it's a cyberpunk
thing
anyway should probably get this chat back on topic and not be talking about cyberpunk
sand crag
This is related more so to the conversation just a little while earlier, but my favorite boons are Athena’s. The deflecting dash is by far my favorite dash upgrade since it complements the defensive function, and, as I said earlier, when I’m using Aegis, I also like deflect on its normal attack. If I’m not using Aegis, though, I generally prefer something else on my attack.
My least favorite so far are probably Zeus’s. I don’t care much for any of them, and I think Aphrodite’s boon where defeated enemies blow up and inflict weak is better than Zeus’s chain-lightning boon.
fluid yoke
good luck with elysium robomata
sand crag
Thank you!
fluid yoke
and the subsequent stuff after it
leaden whale
Zeus is fantastic on fast hitting weapons
fluid yoke
i like zeus with the fists for main attack boon that's all im gonna say now i mean that ok bye
devout breach
magnet fists + poseidon boons is so much fun
sand crag
Also, is there a way to tell which upgrades are mutually exclusive?
It’s not too difficult for me to tell with the main four slots (attack, special, cast, and dash), but I can’t really tell with the slots to the right of those.
fluid yoke
not sure if they are too much?
sand crag
Like, I thought Aphrodite’s boon that causes enemies to blow up and inflict weak upon defeat would override my current attack slot, but it’s apparently just a general power-up.
devout breach
I believe it explicitly says when a boon will replace another
sand crag
Hm… I’ll have to pay closer attention, then.
leaden whale
the only instances of mutual exclusivity I can remember are specific cast-related duo boons
devout breach
and even then it only applies to the calls, attack, special, cast, dash
leaden whale
yeah sometimes gods will offer a core boon trade
devout breach
one thing that was confusing for me early on is that dash and dash strike boons are the same slot, so like artemis’s boost to dash strike can be replaced by athena’s dash to deflect
leaden whale
arty dash is kind of a special case
sand crag
I don’t think Artemis’s damage- and critical-boosting boons are compatible with other attack and special upgrades, which threw me off at first because Artemis’s boons seem non-core.
devout breach
artemis special boon is no different from any other special boon
if you took her special then took some other special it would replace hers
leaden whale
her special core thing is crits, like how poseidons is knockback, athenas is deflect etc
sand crag
As a general rule, core boons seem to be mutually exclusive, and peripheral boons seem to just stack. Is that right?
leaden whale
yeah
sand crag
OK, cool. That makes sense. I’ll try to keep track of it.
leaden whale
you can get 1 god in multiple core slots though
devout breach
that’s how it seems to me!
leaden whale
you could do an all Athena core run if you wanted to
devout breach
some hammer upgrades are mutually exclusive too
leaden whale
yeah
devout breach
that shows up in the form of “if you pick this hammer upgrade then an incompatible one won’t even show up as an option if you get another hammer”
sand crag
The Daedalus Hammer upgrades seem to stack with the gods’ boons in the same core slot but not with each other.
devout breach
yeah they don’t replace any boons or anything
leaden whale
basically theyre modifications to your weapon itself
rather than extra boosts on top
sand crag
Makes sense. The Daedalus Hammers are fairly unique.
devout breach
getting a good hammer can really make or break a run
like that one upgrade for the adamant rail that makes the special a triple shot 👌
torpid vault
stubborn defiance or death defiance?
sand crag
I’ll just have to pay closer attention to which boons are core and which ones are peripheral. I’m sure it’s marked by the little tab to the side that mentions which input it works with if any, but I probably haven’t been paying close enough attention to that.
leaden whale
DDs are a better idea early game
ancient warren
I don't know about you guys, but since it's my first time playing this wonderful game I've been to 37 levels. I recently lost to The Minotaur and Theseus in the last 3.8 hours of playing.
leaden whale
SD is good if you're struggling with regular rooms but feel confident for bosses
torpid vault
fair point
devout breach
@torpid vault I noticed I tend to mostly get killed by bosses, sometimes more than once. So DD was better for me.
I like how you can get The Minotaur as a solo miniboss. It’s nice practice for the champion fight.
sand crag
Also, I understand the post-game changes some things, but does it ever become less RNG-dependent to get desirable builds with gods’ boons and Daedalus Hammers and stuff? Or do you just kind of have to cross your fingers and hope you get good room rewards?
torpid vault
do I have to wait till after my first run completion to get more titan blood besides the ones I get for the first kill per weapon/difficulty
leaden whale
gift nectar to the gods for their keepsakes @robo
the keepsakes make it really easy to shape builds how you want
sand crag
Nice, nice.
leaden whale
you can trade ambrosia for titan blood @ben
devout breach
@sand crag you can eventually unlock better odds of finding what you like, chances to reroll room or rewards. You also can upgrade your weapons permanently. You can use gods’ keepsakes to force certain ones to show up.
leaden whale
otherwise, you gotta win to get more blood
devout breach
you also just get better at the mechanics as you go
I couldn’t do anything with the bow at first but I’ve gotten the hang of it now
torpid vault
ok
sand crag
I’m glad I can get at least influence RNG somehow.
Nothing is more disappointing for me than getting an Athena boon and not having the option to upgrade my dash to deflect stuff. 😔 It’s my favorite even if it’s not rare or epic.
That’s an exaggeration. I generally don’t mind that much beyond uttering, “Oh, well,” but I do love deflect-dashes.
devout breach
one time I equipped Zeus’s keepsake and he didn’t show up until somewhere in asphodel. RNG remains a thing.
ancient warren
Found the spear useful for backstabbing whenever you get that perk. Athena's shield works wonders for deflecting while you're double dashing. And then Poseidon's power attack comes in handy (if it presents itself to you).
sand crag
Mm. I suppose that’s part and parcel of a game like this.
Oh, also, regarding Coronacht, that’s probably my least favorite weapon in the game thus far. I do not like how it requires you to hold the button.
The Daedalus Hammer upgrade that changes the charge into a rapid-fire mechanic makes the weapon pretty fun, though. I will also say that the just-release for Power Shots on the base bow is fun.
leaden whale
for bow you just gotta dash strike every time
devout breach
there’s an upgrade you can get for it later that makes the special shoot a bunch of homing arrows, which is quite fun
sand crag
Stygius is also kinda fun, but it’s fairly basic, and it bothers me slightly that it doesn’t have a charged normal attack. Makes it feel less flexible than the other weapons.
It’s beginner-friendly, though, which is important.
leaden whale
even after 120ish hours sword is still my favorite
floral nacelle
Sword alternate aspects are fun
leaden whale
probably because I am a Sword Liker but still
floral nacelle
Really, they did a good job at making each aspect feel different
Poseidon sword is the best for cast builds
devout breach
nemesis sword + artemis boons and backstab bonuses is good fun
sand crag
I know Artemis’s dash-strike upgrade affects the dash slot, but does something like Athena’s deflect upgrade for a normal attack also make the dash-strike deflect? I’ve tried to test it but haven’t been able to tell so far partially because I can’t guarantee that I’ll get a deflect upgrade for my normal attack.
sand crag
🤔 What happens if you have a normal-attack boon in your attack slot and Artemis’s dash boon in your dash slot?
Do they stack?
devout breach
yes
leaden whale
yee
sand crag
Interesting.
devout breach
I really like doing dashstrike builds with the shield or fists
sand crag
A shame her damage-boosting stuff can’t stack with other gods’ boons in the same slot, but I understand the balancing decision there, and you only have so many boon slots, so doubling up like that might not be a great idea, anyways.
devout breach
you mean like the “deals 30% additional damage” on the special attack?
sand crag
Yep. Like, as I understand it, Artemis’s special-attack boon couldn’t stack with, say, Ares’s.
devout breach
I could be wrong but it seems like there’s two flavors of core attack and special upgrades.
Poseidon, Artemis, Ares, Athena, Demeter (probably more I’m forgetting) give you a +X% damage bonus, plus some other effect like knockback, crit chance, etc.
Zeus, Dionysus, Aphrodite give you +X damage (not X%) plus some effect.
so I wouldn’t say that artemis gives you some +X% damage boost in some unique way, a lot of them do the same
sand crag
That’s true.
leaden whale
an X% crit chance is a (300/X)% multiplicative damage increase
sand crag
Artemis’s boons aren’t particularly special. I suppose they just remind of a basic, traditional upgrade in an RPG.
devout breach
it would be fun to have a mode where you could stack core boons though haha
leaden whale
which is huge because everything else is additive
shrewd edge
is it possible to track down which weapons have collected which bounties?
leaden whale
idk I feel like I'm going too far out of the scope of this channel tldr Artemis good
shrewd edge
the game explicitly tells you to write it down, but is there a way to check in-game?
floral nacelle
Yeah, it's possible, but that's a thing you unlock later on
leaden whale
there is after your first clear
sand crag
Also, wouldn’t Ares’s boons count as damage-boosting and status-effect–inflicting? I think doom counts as a status effect.
shrewd edge
damn it
leaden whale
it does
devout breach
all the special and attack boons are boost damage and have a second effect
shrewd edge
quick question: what gender is orpheus?
devout breach
do the dead need gender?
leaden whale
male
sand crag
Male.
shrewd edge
I genuinely can't tell
sand crag
In Greek mythology, he’s male, so I’d assume as much in this game.
floral nacelle
They didn't genderbend anyone
shrewd edge
IS HADES A PERSONA REFERENCE?
leaden whale
pff who needs gender anyways not me that's for sure
persona fans when they see primary colors
devout breach
hades the greek god?
sand crag
Hades is Greek.
leaden whale
its based off Greek mythology
sand crag
Pluto is his Roman name.
leaden whale
with some liberties taken
shrewd edge
Nah what i meant is that
In persona 3, your starting persona is Orpheus and you enter the Tartarus
leaden whale
persona is also referencing Greek mythology
devout breach
wait until you see disney’s hercules
shrewd edge
Hades is referencing persona
Disney is referencing persona
Jojo is referencing persona
leaden whale
1920s jazz musicians referencing persona
shrewd edge
ofc
floral nacelle
Ooh boy, Hadestown
devout breach
ancient greeks were referencing persona
shrewd edge
Greek mythology is referencing persona
yep
Ok back to the actual game
which god has the best abilities?
devout breach
there’s no right answer but also artemis
sand crag
I think Chaos is the only deity in the game that gets gender-bent a bit. He’s usually referenced as male in Greek mythology when he’s personified and not simply a state of the universe, if memory serves, but the game refers to him with singular “they”. Would have preferred “it” to really drive home his alien nature, but it still makes sense.
leaden whale
nb icon chaos
devout breach
hermes is great!
waxen basin
Nb chaos makes most sense considering his story
leaden whale
you'll appreciate hermes more as you play more
old escarp
I don't think it's fair to lump Hermes in with the other Olympians as far as comparing efficacy. The game certainly doesn't treat them the same
waxen basin
But you can say that about any primortal
shrewd edge
aphrodite also doesn't seem that great
leaden whale
30% damage resistance is more than u think
waxen basin
I thought the same about aphro at first but her boons boost your attacks the most
old escarp
30% DR and the highest %damage
devout breach
you get a boon from her that makes weak enemies also take more damage, which is great
doubles the effectiveness of her kit
opaque geyser
Aphrodite does sick % damage boost
sand crag
I’m not sure if it’s intentional on the developers’ part or if anyone has noticed, but Aphrodite is kinda sexy.
sand crag
Possibly.
waxen basin
old escarp
Everyone in Hades is hot, this is known
devout breach
I also like her boon that makes you get moar life
opaque geyser
The Dark Thirst
sand crag
It actually took me a bit to realize she was naked. I thought she was wearing a weird swimsuit at first.
shrewd edge
Everyone in Hades is hot, this is known
facts
devout breach
I love rolling into the big fight with 500 hp
shrewd edge
maybe except hypnos
leaden whale
hypnos is cute
old escarp
Everyone 
sand crag
Hypnos is a cutie.
shrewd edge
but he aint hot
devout breach
shrewd edge
oh yeah, that one falls under cute too
sand crag
Dusa is supposed to be Medusa, right?
old escarp
Heavily implied, yes
devout breach
medusa did have her head chopped off
shrewd edge
dusa is best girl
sand crag
It’s just that she’s the only nicknamed character that doesn’t go by her full name in the text boxes. Like, Megaera is often called Meg, but her name is still given as Megaera.
And that’s not the case for Dusa.
old escarp
That's because her full name is Maid Dusa
shrewd edge
is that the true explanation?
sand crag
Oh, hm. That’s clever.
torpid vault
or I heard her called ms.dusa
shrewd edge
if you switch doggo keepsake for bono keepsake halfway in your run, do you keep the max health?
leaden whale
nop
sly vigil
Nope
shrewd edge
oh well, seems worth it anyway
devout breach
when I’m playing she’s ✨my dusa✨
sand crag
The vowel in the “maid” part in “Maid Dusa” is actually pretty close to how the Ancient Greeks would have pronounced eta. It’s the closest English approximation, anyways. It’s [e] in Ancient Greek, which is usually approximated as [eɪ̯] in English.
shrewd edge
also I can't tell if doom is lowkey broken or if i'm just dumb
sand crag
I think Doom is OK. I don’t love it, though. My favorite Ares boon is the one that makes your cast a multi-hit projectile.
I probably don’t use my cast as much as I should. I find the base cast underwhelming.
shrewd edge
the base cast sucks ass
IMO you definitely need somehting like zeus or ares to change it up before it actually becomes viable
urban arch
I'm new to hades is the dash capable of dodging attacks and projectiles?
urban arch
I guess i need to time them better
What about the casting move is it worth attacking with?
sand crag
Dashing will also let you go through minor obstacles and some walls as well as over smaller gaps.
sand crag
Casting is OK. I don’t find it particularly noteworthy until you upgrade it, though. Otherwise, it’s nothing special.
urban arch
I've been trying Zeus's powerups for dashing and Aphrodities weakening trait
Don't know any other god's that help with attacks
shrewd edge
ermm, basically all of them
sand crag
Every god has the ability to upgrade the same stuff in your base kit.
shrewd edge
even hermes has one dps upgrade
sand crag
It’s just RNG as to when they appear and what three boons they’ll offer you.
urban arch
Can't aim with controller
sand crag
The RNG for builds is probably my least favorite part of the game so far, but I’m also coming from a background of stylish-action and fighting games, where RNG is not often viewed favorably and seen as almost antithetical to skill (I have my own issues with that interpretation even within those genres, but it’s not entirely untrue), and RNG is part of this game’s fundamental design.
I still can’t say I love it, but I’m also new, and maybe I’ll come around eventually once I’ve unlocked everything and have more tools at my disposal.
shrewd edge
Can't aim with controller
as someone who always uses a controller for msot games, i think Hades should be played with a mouse and keyboard
ocean void
I hate RNG in most games, but this game is an exception
sand crag
I’m playing with a controller and haven’t had any issues myself, but that’s just me.
urban arch
Tried with keyboard but had a hard time moving around
old escarp
It should be on by default, but make sure you have aim assist on in the settings for controller
mystic cave
Tried with keyboard but had a hard time moving around
Bind your dash to a mouse button. Better if you have a gaming mouse with buttons for the thumb
Middle click will work if not
Using space will make your thumb hurt eventually
ocean void
Usually my keyboard only handles movement and call, special and dash are on my mouse's two thumb buttons
sand crag
I hate RNG in most games, but this game is an exception
I don’t mind RNG like “N% chance to critically hit” and procedurally generated rooms, both of which Hades has, but I have a tendency to get a little annoyed with stuff like core boons and Daedalus Hammers being determined by RNG.
That’s just part of the game, though, and I do like Hades a lot and respect the balancing decision in that regard, so it’s not bothered me very much thus far. I’m still fresh and inexperienced.
devout breach
I think the max hammers you can see is 2
sand crag
I will also say that I get doubly aggravated when I get a god I want but don’t get the boon I want from that god.
celest pebble
^
ocean void
Admittedly I play a lot of roguelike/roguelites, and just became numb to rng making/breaking your run
devout breach
one in elysium and one before elysium
sand crag
Layers of RNG add up fast for me.
celest pebble
I will also say that I get doubly aggravated when I get a god I want but don’t g...
eventually you can unlock mirror upgrades that let you reroll what boons you get
but its a limited number of rerolls
devout breach
I will also say that I get doubly aggravated when I get a god I want but don’t g...
you can later get an upgrade that lets you reroll the offers when accepting a boon
celest pebble
so you can still get bad RNG
sand crag
That’s better.
mystic cave
one in elysium and one before elysium
I once got a hammer at the literal start of the run, without any of the luck-affecting mirror upgrades
sand crag
In any event, I’m not experienced enough to say whether or not any of this stuff is truly good or bad yet. I’m just sharing my impressions, and I think they’ll probably change substantially.
celest pebble
Admittedly I play a lot of roguelike/roguelites, and just became numb to rng mak...
yeah, but thankfully even with bad RNG, thanks to the mirror upgrades you're still likely making progress (though sometimes not much progress ><)
sand crag
Love Hades so far.
celest pebble
I once got a hammer at the literal start of the run, without any of the luck-aff...
getting a hammer as your first "boon" can sometimes make an entire run much easier - but i tend to start each run with a god specific keepsake these days so starting with a hammer doesnt tend to happen much
mystic cave
Actually, the hammer will override the keepsake
So will Hermes and I think one other thing
sand crag
It reminds me of The Wonderful 101 to a surprising degree, which is my personal favorite game of all time. It’s probably the isometric camera; also, the Weak status effect is extremely Unite Bowgun-esque, which I find amusing.
celest pebble
Actually, the hammer will override the keepsake
yeah i've found it happens less with the keepsake but that might just be bias
old escarp
The starting chamber has a chance to be either a hammer or a boon, regardless of keepsakes. In the early runs there are scripted events that will override both
celest pebble
probably bias then
mystic cave
Yep
sand crag
What’s special about Hermes? Like, why would his boon override other gods’ like the Daedalus Hammer does?
old escarp
He has some dialog about it when it happens. Mostly just flavour
sand crag
Oh, also, will the boon that makes a certain weapon yield more Darkness eventually wear off and/or move to another weapon if you neglect to use that weapon in runs?
That boon is on Coronacht at the moment for me, which I’m not in a hurry to use any time soon, and I’m just wondering if it’ll remain on Coronacht until I use it in a run or if it will eventually vanish and move on to another weapon.
old escarp
Honestly I've never paid that close attention to it. I think it will eventually change if you don't use it after a few runs, but I can't say that with confidence
shrewd edge
Did poseiden really hit me with the frickin spongebob reference?
sharp locust
Can't tell if I'm dumb or just genuinely bad at using the bow-
sharp locust
Feel like IDK what I'm doing with them but I'm getting pretty far
shrewd edge
I won't spoil what the last weapon is but damn... i was not expecting that
leaden whale
Does Athena "exposed" curse have an icon? Does it count for a curse?
faint umbra
yeah, it counts for a curse. the icon is those little drops like on the boon icon, theyre a little hard to see
uneven ledge
can i give nectar to (post-clear spoiler) ||persephone||?
old escarp
Eventually, anyway. You'll know when
toxic hamlet
okay so is there a relatively easy trinket to get that can get me more daedalus hammers? i want that dank c u r s e d 🅱️ l a d e
ripe oar
unfortunately no, you get max 2 per run
old escarp
okay so is there a relatively easy trinket to get that can get me more daedalus ...
Sadly, no. There's a way to increase the chance of a hammer appearing in the mirror upgrades, but nothing to force or increase their rate of appearance otherwise
floral nacelle
There is a way to get 3 hammers in the final shop of each run but people don’t like it because it’s random
opaque geyser
Lose one, get two
floral nacelle
Both in that it appears randomly and random in which hammer it removes and adds
shrewd edge
for early game, is it worth it to trade ambrosia for blood?
opaque geyser
Yes
shrewd edge
legit?
muted latch
yes, you wont have a lot of use for them early on anyway
just dont get more than what you need
runs are still going to be your primary source or blood
opaque geyser
||2-3 Titan Blood|| per run once you get good
sand crag
Which aspect is better for the Shield of Chaos: Zeus or Chaos? Aspect of Zeus seems interesting, but it removes the only fast projectile available to the Shield in return for a weaker Slicing Shot. Aspect of Chaos seems neat, but I’m not sure if each Shield thrown can hit a single enemy if you’re only fighting one. If that’s possible, it seems like a really good way to rack up damage.
drowsy plover
I prefer Aspect of Zeus because it's easier to deal with annoying enemies like the butterfly ball when you have it. Aspect of Chaos is nice too but it often ends up hitting walls instead of enemies. Maybe my aim is not that good but I prefer Aspect of Zeus because it prevents enemies from attacking you while they're getting hit so you have the opportunity to get closer to them and hit them with the shield repeatedly.
sand crag
Hm. If Aspect of Zeus staggers enemies, that’s pretty good.
I just unlocked the Adamant Rail, and the fact that it neither staggers enemies nor allows Zagreus to move while you fire it made it feel really strange to use. It’s quite safe, though, especially if you get the homing shots—I’ll give it that.
drowsy plover
You can cancel enemy projectiles with attack on rail but if you can get infinite ammo upgrade then it's really going to come in handy
late vault
I just started playing Hades, and i keep dying to "Meg". Is the spear the best option to have? or is the shield/bow better?
drowsy plover
It's about which one makes you feel more comfortable. I prefer shield but others might like other weapons
normal viper
for the athena boon in which it makes it so that death defiances heal you up more and replenishes one use of dd, do i get the the one extra dd even if i have not previously used any dd's?
opaque geyser
No, it's a replenish, not an add
uneven ledge
an extra dd for free is too good to be true anyways
polar smelt
I just started playing Hades, and i keep dying to "Meg". Is the spear the best o...
Just started today myself, I got my first clear with spear & flurry strikes and it gave me some time to learn meg's attack style, now I've just been a cakewalk with the rest of the weapons.
muted latch
chaos's DD boon adds one extra because it's "gain 1 DD"
athena's is "replenish"
different wording
pseudo eagle
Hey all, I just started playing Hades and I love every second of it so far. Currently I'm playing with my keyboard & mouse but for anyone who also tried playing it with a controller: would you recommend it /does the game feel smoother or better in any kind? Thanks for the answers & replies!
muted latch
in general controller is considered better
but again, up to your personal preference
stray terrace
dash special is pretty hard to do on a controller though
pseudo eagle
oh got it
stray terrace
though id say controller is better
muted latch
you can rebind everything
dash on LB or RB is a good option for dash attacks
or better if you have an Xbox Elite or Dualshock 4 with back button
polar smelt
Hydra down 2nd attempt 
just required a stupidly strong build.. or at least it felt like it 😂
muted latch
||Hydra is the easiest boss in the game||
stray terrace
Hydra down 2nd attempt <:POGGERS:385681674194780160> just required a stupidly st...
gj!
||meg is likely the easiest but.. thats just me||
polar smelt
||I found meg far easier than having 6 heads firing at me from all directions, I just spammed deflect dash & special like crazy||
4 hours in, we take those
stray terrace
||i wish heracles was in the game so we could give him a good boppin for sending the hydra down to asphodel||
polar smelt
oh right the reason I actually opened the channel,
two quick questions,
- Is the Twin Fists super good or should I use my next set of keys on unlocking more of the mirror?
- Do the blood clot thingies (for lack of better word cause I forgot their true name) have a purpose or do I just sell them to the guy in lounge?
stray terrace
- twin fists is pretty good imo, def prioritize weapon keys over mirror keys
- yes, titan bloods do have a purpose
achilles and skelly hint towards their purpose
||also your first question is tied to your second||
polar smelt
||also your first question is tied to your second||
||huh, guess this game really intertwines its mechanics to each other... sounds exciting||
stray terrace
i guess its to prevent a weapon ||from being upgraded too early||
muted latch
get all weapons unlocked first, then mirror upgrades
polar smelt
2. yes, titan bloods do have a purpose
the run I just finished answered all of these questions 
Just had to get past hydra
stray terrace
time to shoot skeletons with a zapperdippin gun
polar smelt
not quite, a lot more keys to go (another 2 for fists then whatever zapper gun asks for) but skelly just referenced all that, what a good character skelly is.
stray terrace
ah ok
polar smelt
Does attack not equal dash attack? The build guide pinned references going dash-attack spamming for the bow, however doesn't reference divine strikes which is an attack increase it does
placid karma
tooth for general survival
eternal rose (aphro) also good cause weak status helps you live longer
zealous bison
henlo
im back to see how yall doing here
odd monolith
|| what should I do to buy the administrative chamber access from the broker? ||
zealous bison
||finish a few runs with different weapons and aspects||
||and maybe 
too||
odd monolith
Ah, I see. Thank you! || Might take a while to get Sisyphus' companion then ||
muted latch
||you'll get the administrative chamber long before that||
zealous bison
folks - let me tell you
i don't remember when was the last time a game gave me such a power trip
few days ago i was shaking after just getting to ||[redacted]||
and now - over 40 hours in i just feel like...
https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a1rpGm8_460svvp9.webm
it's so good
if anyone's here struggling with their first run - keep at it
it's so worth it
drowsy plover
||I think you need to beat the final boss once to unlock it||
Idk man I have over 60 runs and I still feel like a noob
zealous bison
you will get there, eventually
i bought the game for my friend too and i saw him struggling with elisyum
poor guy was stuck there for days
so yesterday i watched him play it through the steam thingy and gave him some tips on boons and upgrades and what not and he's now getting really consistent runs
still not done with the zone, but hey - practise makes perfect, or whatever
drowsy plover
I beat [Redacted] a bunch of times but still relying on god mode most of the time. :c
zealous bison
you just gotta have faith @drowsy plover
well then - turn it off
think of it as a new challenge
drowsy plover
I beat him once without it but couldn't anymore.
Well I guess I need to keep trying
zealous bison
that's the spirit
fluid yoke
if it helps
im really bad at video games
and i havent needed god mode to beat him at all
it honestly seems a bit underwhelming with how much it actually does
god mode but ive only died once with it
uneven ledge
if it helps anyone when fighting the third boss put all of your focus onto ||asterius||, just watch out for ||theseus|| trying to throwing his spear at you every few moments
||theseus|| is basically a joke all by himself
regal patio
I tried that last time, but when I'm down to 30'ish hp after || Asterius is dead ||, I'm still struggling quite a bit lol
Can't seem to get past, at all
zealous bison
pro tip
try the spear
it's special is great against guys with shields because it gives you backstabs
almost guaranteed
zealous bison
also - the spear has a longer reach than you might expect at first
and with proper upgrades it can reach further than the bow
uneven ledge
spear is actually surprisingly good
regal patio
Oh ok. But overall, all weapons should be able to finish, yeah?
leaden whale
of course
uneven ledge
if you have ares' attack boon the spear does massive damage
regal patio
My RNG hates Ares for some reason lmao
uneven ledge
it should also work well enough with stacking effects like hangover
zealous bison
^
unkempt shadow
equip the ares keepsake
zealous bison
or just use the crystal beams and bzzzzzzzzzz them to death
regal patio
I don't have the Ares keepsake, that's the issue
unkempt shadow
oh, next time you find him give him some nectar then
uneven ledge
the crystal beams are nice but not very effective on the final boss, even with artemis' duo boon
regal patio
I've just only seen him twice
unkempt shadow
i don't think they have ||demeter boons||
zealous bison
uneven ledge
make sure you have some nectar when you meet him
uneven ledge
crystal beans
zealous bison
unkempt shadow
crystal beans are the cheesiest tactic ever
||you need to reach the hades fight to unlock them first though||
leaden whale
meme beam
zealous bison
oh yeah, i forgot
uneven ledge
also the crystal beam with aphro's duo boon sucks don't get it
zealous bison
well nevermind then
uneven ledge
just get artemis
unkempt shadow
i mainly get bad duo boons if they ||fulfill the prophecy thing||
polar smelt
On the conversation of spear, is the charged attack any good? I generally don't like standing still 
uneven ledge
i don't get why prophecies are a spoiler since they're just sidequests with pretty "minor" rewards
unkempt shadow
i never use the charged attack lmao
odd monolith
Same for me lol
uneven ledge
On the conversation of spear, is the charged attack any good? I generally don't ...
it's situational, aspect of hades should make it more useful and the hammer upgrade that makes it charge way faster actually makes it pretty useful too
unkempt shadow
i try and get the flurry thing on the daedelus hammers
solar panther
The “||there is no escape||” quest is not a minor reward IMO
unkempt shadow
that removes the spin and makes you attack faster
uneven ledge
you'd be better off with the one that just makes your basic attack really fast
polar smelt
flurries, thought so 
I'll build towards that/dash attack and see if i roll the dice so to speak 
muted latch
flurry jab is the best hammer for spear
uneven ledge
imagine using flurry upgrades
this message was sent by the fists gang
muted latch
unless you are using hades aspect
leaden whale
aspect of hades :)
spin attack is way better if you dash out of it instead of releasing attack
unkempt shadow
idk if this is offtopic but what even is the point of ||the aspect of guan yu||
uneven ledge
aspect of hades is good because it makes your spin attack have a much bigger range and it applies an effect that makes enemies take more damage
leaden whale
if given the choice between quick/massive always take quick tho
muted latch
^
unkempt shadow
||aspect of guan yu is basically aspect of arthur but a lot worse||
uneven ledge
it's still pretty situational and yeah flurry is better there's no argument
muted latch
||nah GY is a mainstay of high heat runs because of its range and high single shot damage||
unkempt shadow
||idk, i just don't like it cause of the major health decrease||
muted latch
||once you get past a skill threshold the hp hit became less relevant||
||what's the point of more HP if you dont get hit||
uneven ledge
maybe it's for in case you do get hit
unkempt shadow
^
i always atleast have 250-300 health for battling hades
cause i knwo im always gonna get hit
muted latch
||you dont get hit if you kill everything fast enough, and GY is very good at killing things quickly||
leaden whale
news to me
uneven ledge
only time i'm ever at below 200 hp when fighting ||hades|| is if i have the cursed blade hammer
dry wraith
1st
dry wraith
You have constant weak and enough crit?
dry wraith
Smoldering is good otherwise
odd monolith
YOOO I just did my third clear!
fluid yoke
epic
odd monolith
The blade really is my comfort weapon lol
unkempt shadow
the blade is pog
uneven ledge
The blade really is my comfort weapon lol
then fists should be rpetty good for you
odd monolith
2 dash-strike and back attack special is rlly good that's why I love this
unkempt shadow
middle ig
placid inlet
Oh no
unkempt shadow
idk
odd monolith
then fists should be rpetty good for you
Still adjusting to fists
leaden whale
okay
placid inlet
Which weapon
leaden whale
bow
uneven ledge
if you can constantly put weak on your enemies go for heart rend
placid inlet
How far in a run are you
uneven ledge
if you need more max health go for life affirmation
leaden whale
life aff it is
uneven ledge
+42% on centaur hearts is pretty good
especially if you struggle with keeping your health up seeing as you're in elysium, which is imo the hardest area
polar smelt
What's the interaction between flurry & triple jab on spear?
Feel like it would either be stupidly strong or counter intuitive
and was too scared to yolo it on a good run
leaden whale
The blade really is my comfort weapon lol
sord gang
stray terrace
sheld gang
sand crag
Shield gang.
odd monolith
I am also having fun with the rail recently lol
sand crag
I don’t like the Rail’s special attack at all.
unkempt shadow
the rail is the worst weapon imo, don't like it
odd monolith
As for the shield, I made it to the last boss then died because I lack dps ._.
sand crag
Aspect of Zeus, TBH.
stray terrace
the shields block is incredible
leaden whale
I love rail special but probably bc I'm on kbm
heard it's much better on kbm than controller
stray terrace
oh i guess that counts as a spoiler
gilded skiff
leaden whale
I have but its way more stressful than any other weapon lol
leaden whale
sord gang
gilded skiff
and the vampiric upgrade
unkempt shadow
YOOOOo
odd monolith
Aspect of Zeus, TBH.
I haven't unlocked this one yet, I'll work on this one and try it out
unkempt shadow
finally beat hades with the rail
leaden whale
nice
stray terrace
rail special and things like trippy shot are pretty hard to aim on a switch
odd monolith
What's the interaction between flurry & triple jab on spear?
I've never tried this one out, yet
sand crag
I haven't unlocked this one yet, I'll work on this one and try it out
It basically turns the Shield throw into a multi-hit AOE attack. Apparently, it gets good DPS on higher levels.
leaden whale
it's so good
stray terrace
aspect of zeus is kinda slow imo and doesnt work for things that dont stay still
leaden whale
even at lv 1 if u put Zeus on special it owns
uneven ledge
i should give zeus' boons mroe credit
the call is pretty good because it deals a lot of damage
stray terrace
who doesnt want to strike their foes with lightning