NP mate
#h1-for-new-players
sly vigil
median totem
Guys really lower the res if you think there's even a very small bit of stutter or frames on the highest res. I can't state how much smoother the game is now. It was like a knife through butter at room temp, now it's like a hot knife through butter at room temp.
sly vigil
yup! framerate > resolution
median totem
Just had to put that out in the middle of my run. Alrighty be back later.
sly vigil
i'm fortunate enough to have a system that can run 1080p comfortably, but ik your pain
real garnet
are there points in the game that make he game drop frames?
sly vigil
good luck mate. im rooting for ya
are there points in the game that make he game drop frames?
depends on your system, really
real garnet
it looks like processing than anything
sly vigil
there are some particles in the 2nd stage that is particularly rough on my laptop
but at 40fps its still perfectly playable
the rest hovers around 60fps
the game is fairly well optimized and only get better with time.
real garnet
hope so. at this point i cant even rebind keys lol. just tried on my other laptop too
plucky hound
I did not knew that you cannot go to other door if you give the dog food early on, now i have two doors locked, so ineed to go to the boss room right?
median totem
I don't have a graphics card on the device.😅 All games I have run on only the power of whatever part of 8GB the INtel Card consumes for graphics.
sly vigil
I did not knew that you cannot go to other door if you give the dog food early on, now i have two doors locked, so ineed to go to the boss room right?
yes
in fact going to other rooms is detrimental somewhat
if you get ||cerberus|| out of the way, go to the big door.
plucky hound
i thought rooms were easy enough with cure in every room
real garnet
Hey just to know but is there a story in the game? i only got like 3 hours into the game and i wanna know if i should look up some guides
plucky hound
and don't look up to any guide, I'm having lot of fun without it.
sly vigil
I have about 170 hours in still have some to go
plucky hound
But I have experience with many dialogue heavy games so I might have a lead here.
sly vigil
you don't need guide but if you want recommendations, you can ask here or even ping me. I'm not very good but I know a thing or two 😄
real garnet
good to know. i dont wanna ruin the story by looking up some combat guides
sly vigil
yeah, don't. just play the game (once your binding issue is resolved of course)
plucky hound
hey game saves in the room before the door boss right? cuz switching to discord made the game crash for me
real garnet
yeah, don't. just play the game (once your binding issue is resolved of course)
oh i gave up on that for now. Ill just use a jank method and rebind my entire mouse into a werid keymap
plucky hound
Guess what I reloaad the game and I'm back to the point where I just got the food. So I'm happy now.
sly vigil
Lol that works too
I use autohotkey, which is a great tool for rebinding also.
Guess what I reloaad the game and I'm back to the point where I just got the food. So I'm happy now.
There are a lot of things you can do with the save system, like... Save scumming ;)
brittle peak
Hi all, I’m new to this chanel. Where can I report bugs?
sly vigil
F10 in game
There should be a menu that pops up. You might need to alt tab but it's there.
brittle peak
Done it but I was offline
sly vigil
Well there isn't exactly a channel on the Discord for bug report
If you have net access now you can still F10 it in game. Just describe what happened
real garnet
try the #h1-tech-support in the morning
median totem
If I have to post an image here, how do I do that?
brittle peak
I just can’t get god powers
brittle peak
The game crushes immediately
sly vigil
Or send yourself the pic, then link it here.
The game crushes immediately
Then check out #h1-tech-support
Although I doubt the devs or QA people can help you this late at night...
brittle peak
Well here its 11 a.m. 😅
median totem
Yeah, I 
'd anyway. Dionysus' fountain related buff seems to have a visual or statistical bug.
sly vigil
Ok xD unfortunately SGG is San Fran based so it's like 1am...
real garnet
@brittle peak lol welp if you wanna get back into the game, maybe delete the options files
sly vigil
Speaking of which I'll need sleep. Good luck everyone with your runs or technical issues.
brittle peak
Thanks all
real garnet
night foxhope
brittle peak
Have nice dreams
real garnet
btw carefule not to delete your save while you are deleteing the options file. if your crashing on start anway.
brittle peak
Well it’s a new save so I don’t care that much
plucky hound
Oh I get what you meant by room being detrimental cuz I lost my health little bit.
real garnet
oh yeah then just delete the entire "C:\Users\NAME\Documents\Saved Games\Hades". that should turn off god mode.
plucky hound
damn ||you father||, defying death ||like me||
solemn chasm
what is the skelly's prize prophecy? how do i complete it
noble patio
|| 8 heat is the first prize ||
solemn chasm
oh i see thanks
if i only completed 3 out of 4 bounties|| (which is beating elysium)|| and then i increase my heat, can i still go back to the same heat and get the last bounty?
noble patio
I think you only get rewards for that heat?
Like even if you do 8 heat and you only have 5 heat on 3/4 you'll get rewards for 5 heat
solemn chasm
oh, so you have to get everything before increasing the heat gives you more rewards
i see i see
noble patio
Not 100% sure but I think that's how it works
gray haven
Yeah, that's how it works.
real garnet
Hey does anyone have any progression guide that they can link to with minor spoilers? This is my first run and and i opted for hell mode.
obsidian locust
Could you be most specific?
Like to beat the final boss?
I highly suggest against Hell Mode if this your very first run
real garnet
really? but i read that you have to collect everything again if i do normal and then wanna do hell
real garnet
i just wanna know what is the most efficient progression in terms of unlocking everything. Like what to collect and what resources to use on what
obsidian locust
You can unlock everything on a normal save
Hell mode is only for added challenge
real garnet
but you cant start a hell mode on a normal save right?
rancid mason
No
obsidian locust
You have to make a new save for starting in hell mode
obsidian locust
But you don't need to do hell mode
stray urchin
Hell Mode just makes the game start out harder. It has no other differences with the base game.
rancid mason
Hell mode does "nothing" other than add a specific modifier to your game that is unavailable in regular mode.
obsidian locust
It essentially unlocks a mechanic in normal mode much earlier
rancid mason
Technically, it also adds an extra option to the mechanic
real garnet
ehh. i dont wanna collect everything again just to do hell mode if i wanna later.
rancid mason
that is completely unavailable in regular mode
molten briar
Anyone have suggestions for playing with the rail gun? I suspect that because I'm using a controller it feels pretty clunky pretty much all of the time. Between not really getting to aim the bombard as accurately as I assume it works with Keyboard and mouse, the frequency of reloading and the fact that if you run out it just keeps clicking til you let up on the attack button, it's been my worst weapon by far. (I've gotten pretty far with all the other weapons, I recently cleared once with the shield and I think I've gotten to the final boss (pt.1 ) with everything else
rancid mason
HOWEVER, said extra option is just there to make the game harder
stray urchin
Personal Liability isn't really a reason to choose Hell Mode over normal mode.
rancid mason
It doesn't actually do anything.
stray urchin
After you first clear it, you can set the game to a difficulty as if you had started in Hell Mode.
real garnet
I mean we will see i just started and play around with normal mode for like 3 hours. hell mode cant be any worse than a Dark souls game right?
stray urchin
On a first playthrough I recommend against Hell Mode.
obsidian locust
Yeah
rancid mason
Yeah I recommend against it, too. I had like 50 hours in this game and had to restart due to losing my PC's save data and I started in hell mode
And I got frustrated as HECK.
molten briar
is there a way to tell what mode your game is?
rancid mason
When you load your save data
stray urchin
The enemies are slightly faster and deal slightly more damage, and you receive a little less healing from all sources in Hell Mode vs. Normal.
rancid mason
It should say "Hell Mode" on it
stray urchin
or nothing for normal mode, or God Mode for slightly easier mode.
molten briar
gotcha, then im on normal mode. Just relogged to check and didnt see anything but that makes sense
real garnet
ok welp. Then ill try normal like you guys suggested. Still is there any guide for resource usage with minor spoilers?
obsidian locust
I usually suggest against guides cause you can essentially finish the first loop on your third try, if you are good enough at rougelikes. You can literally play any way you like and it will work out
molten briar
Just don't buy cosmetics and make sure you spread the juice around to all the folks you can so you get all the trinkets unlocked.
stray urchin
Don't trade away Titan Blood or Ambrosia until the game starts giving you real uses for it. Other than that, spend keys and Darkness however you like.
molten briar
yeah for sure. I've been pretty loose with my resources and still have felt fine
stray urchin
Aim to give each character 1 Nectar before you splurge it all into one character, yeah.
molten briar
I definitely traded away at least 2 titans blood
real garnet
is there a reason to give juice to the npc twice?
rancid mason
Anyone have suggestions for playing with the rail gun? I suspect that because I'm using a controller it feels pretty clunky pretty much all of the time. Between not really getting to aim the bombard as accurately as I assume it works with Keyboard and mouse, the frequency of reloading and the fact that if you run out it just keeps clicking til you let up on the attack button, it's been my worst weapon by far. (I've gotten pretty far with all the other weapons, I recently cleared once with the shield and I think I've gotten to the final boss (pt.1 ) with everything else
@molten briar Rail is a bit of an awkward weapon that definitely benefits from keyboard and mouse (however, literally all weapons are better on keyboard and mouse). Things you need to remember are the fact that you don't move while shooting, which lets you use the stick for aiming while that happens. You can use Dashing to "cancel" the animation on your reloads (as just letting the reload animation play through often leaves you a sitting duck).
Outside of this, builds really help. Go for Zeus Attack or Dio Attack as these really help your DPS (since the Rail's damage is low on Attack, you want bonuses that don't scale off your weapon's damage).
IDK how viable it is on controller but you should basically be doing the following pattern: Shoot a bunch -> Dash WHILE Shooting -> Shoot again -> Reload -> Cancel Reload Animation with Dash -> Shoot a Bunch
stray urchin
Mechanically, sort of. But it's more of a mid-game thing to pour multiple into a character.
Get a reliable flow of Nectar on you before you start handing them out again. Very few characters will give you anything more for it.
real garnet
ok thanks. just needed to know.
i have only like 3 hours so far.
confused on a couple resources on whether or not i should save em
stray urchin
Welcome to Hades! There is no escape.
molten briar
That makes sense, especially getting the dots. I tend to avoid Dio a lot with most of my other runs just because I tend to kill things faster than dots would proc most of the time. That said I just had a run where I had his attack buff maxed out and really saw it do the work so I'm more of a believer in it now
dire mauve
Actually no escape, I've been playing for only 2 days and already have 20 hours on the game I'm addicted xD
molten briar
While everything is likely better with kb/mouse, I do feel like its the weapon hampered the most. I'm pretty groovy with most of the other weapons on the whole and good at getting far (Almost all my runs end with the Elysian boss fight or the final boss fight). Rail gun has so far been the only weapon I still don't like. I started out not liking some of the others but they grew on me as I learned to play with them and figure out which boons and playstyles I liked.
rancid mason
Yeah. That's fair. I don't think you have to like every weapon. I personally don't like using bow, but a mechanic you unlock later might sway your opinion.
molten briar
Yeah I personally love the bow
rancid mason
For example, I don't like bow but with the extra mechanic, I actually enjoy bow
molten briar
It's one of the few weapons I've liked the upgrades and base mode as well
rancid mason
I see. I am a sword main so I don't like having to perfect time my attacks. I just wanna face roll on enemies.
molten briar
Shield has by far been my best though I recently got the charged shot bull rush unlock and pretty easily cleared because of it. I'm not sure if that mode is balanced which is a bit of a shame (hadn't been using bull rush much before I unlocked that by standing in place and getting to block everything incoming while then firing out a powerful shot)
Yeah, I just finished a replay of Bastion and am SO used to power shots without even thinking about it
rancid mason
Shield is often said to be the "strongest" weapon. You'll on average succeed more with shield because it's easy to use, safe, and it's damage is great.
molten briar
I essentially never use the special and the runs I do get upgrades for it and try to focus on it generally don't end well
rancid mason
So I don't find it suprising.
molten briar
That makes sense. It just has the versatility of a lot of the other weapons and the damage reduction is really nice. I learned pretty early that gaining HP and damage resistence can really help bail you from being perfect. Especially for the later bosses
rancid mason
The shield special gets way more use when you unlock the extra mechanic tied to weapons.
molten briar
Yeah its definitely the weapon I use both modes pretty evenly (and I'll now say all 3 attacks)
rancid mason
As for defenses, I've found that getting health is very good but has a diminishing return. Once you hit around 200 you're usually set to ignore getting more health. At least on your average run
I sometimes go CRAZY and do 600 health meme runs
molten briar
Yeah I don't go out of my way for it but I do go pretty heavy on it and the Trinket that gives you health was definitely the first one I easily got to rank 3. (I also bonded that NPC first because I'm not a monster)
rancid mason
Best boy
Oh. And one thing I forgot to mention about rail is that it's attack doesn't stagger or stun enemies.
molten briar
I've always been iffy on rogue likes in general. They just tend to get repetitive for me. Picked this up at the start of the steam sale and it's far and away the best one I've played and now I have over 30 hours
rancid mason
Which means certain enemies can catch you when you think they won't
molten briar
yeah, its one of my many nitpicks about it
like it just doesn't do the damage, the special is really slow if not upgraded immediately and the reload means that you can't always do damage when you have an opening. So far I mostly just take whatever the darkness boost is on out for a run but it's definitely my least favorite of the weapons and I'd say the only one I don't actually like
rancid mason
Yeah. I only like it once you unlock the other stuff on it.
It's awkward otherwise.
Hades is just a good game. I think the best in the action roguelike genre.
Combat is fluid. And there's actually good lore.
molten briar
And one trap I feel like Rogue-likes fall into is randomizing their gameplay patterns too much and not having enough diversity between them. Getting to choose your weapon is HUGE to mitigate those problems IMO and then most weapons have a few different playstyles between them.
I will say the one component of the game (besides the railgun) which I really don't do a lot is casting. I've definitely had runs where I liked it and it was good I'd say 99% of my runs I just never use it. Mostly because I enjoy the attacks of the weapons enough that i just forget/ignore that I have it. The one difference is Athena's shot power and Demeters. Athena mostly because I'm a sucker for deflect and always go with her when I get the chance and Demeter's feels very unique and good in positions where I tend to want some help (like against the shield guys)
rancid mason
Casting is an auxiliary thing. It's usually meant to support your build in some way. Going for a "pure caster" build is fine, but in most other instances you're actually using casts to up your DPS
After all, when your cast is in something, you deal like 50% extra damage to that thing
noble patio
10% per bloodstone right?
I love my cast builds
And often heavily use my casts as soon as I pick them up
raw rivet
Dem's cast feels underwhelmig to me, the tracking is too slow resulting in less overall dmg usually + you miss on the boiling blood bonuses
molten briar
But if you have her other boon you actively don't want your bloodstones
and the damage has been enough for me, the fact it gets around the guys who can block is usually where i use it. Drop behind them and dash to the front
raw rivet
You still activate the boon if they are inside an enemy
molten briar
On a railgun run right now and heavily using my Athena cast right now. It does great chunks of damage and just lets me kite stuff between it and the improved special that's a rocket
raw rivet
If the enemy moves a bit they end up doing less damage than most regular cast shots
median anchor
I'll keep you guys updated for my issue that I wrote higher up https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021347968712724/727306588129460254 as I do more attempts, if anyone has some answers about whether it is more likely to be a bug, or just me being impatient, I'll be happy to be @'d. (tl;dr: fulfilled the conditions for the 4th lance aspect but can't seem to unlock it)
uneven slate
All weapons expect the rail have an aspect that supports casting to a degree, although not all of them make it compulsory for efficiency. On Hera, Beowulf or Poseidon, it would be mad not to cast. Achilles and Talos work fine even without making use of casting. You could argue that Eris belongs in the group because it buffs casting damage as well.
noble patio
@median anchor You mean spear? You probably just have to talk more
I only recently got it as well and I have like 60 hours
median anchor
Okay seeing it took you that much playtime to unlock it, I feel reassurred that I just haven't exhausted enough Achiles dialogues(and started new ones accidentally smh) so I'll keep trying, I'll make sure to come back and let you guys know after 10 more attempts where I'm at, or whenever I unlock it.
Thanks for sharing your experience and the playtime you needed o/
median anchor
Hopefully that factor will make a difference for me lol.
solemn chasm
@median anchor if i'm not wrong the fighting last boss condition has to be with the spear
median anchor
Seeing I didn't beat the last boss with the spear at any heat level(neither 0 nor 1), maybe that was my issue. Gonna make sure to fix that, thanks!
solemn chasm
you don't have to beat him, just fight him with it
pine hazel
Fighting ||Hades|| is part of the requirement, but not all of it. That's all I'll mention.
On a different note, how do most folks use the Fists? At the least I'd like to know a handful of useful daedalus upgrades.
obsidian locust
Guys the final boss's Identity is a spoiler in this channel please spoiler tag it or say Final boss
solemn chasm
i'm kinda trying the fist out as well, but like melee weapons i just get athena's attack boon and smash left click lol
obsidian locust
Athena's attack on Aspect of Beyblade is amazing
solemn chasm
zeus shield?
gray haven
Divine Strike is an excellent choice for Malphon. So are Curse of Agony and Lightning Strike.
pine hazel
Knowing by now that Curse of X usually means Ares duo, who else is part of Curse of Agony?
As for Lightning Strike, I don't go for Zeus all that often so idk about that one.
faint umbra
hey @pine hazel, the final boss' identity is a spoiler in this channel, would you mind spoiler tagging your earlier message?
gray haven
Curse of Agony is his Attack boon.
Breaching Cross and Explosive Upper are two really good hammer upgrades.
pine hazel
I'm guessing that first is more armor damage, the second one is pretty self explanatory
gray haven
Yeah, your Dash-Strike does +900% damage to armor and gets piercing.
So it will pierce through shields.
solemn chasm
does well of charon's items affect the final boss fight?
median totem
Yes.
solemn chasm
i just realized how trash i am at this game, barely beat the final boss with 40% damage reduction from god mode, 30% from sturdy, 19% from aphrodite boon and 20% dodge chance lol
median totem
It's a Roguelite mate, it is supposed to take you through the grind dw.
I haven't beat the Elysium bosses yet, so not an issue, everyone takes their own time.
solemn chasm
ahh haha thanks
nah its just i've fought the final boss a few times but i can't seem to dodge his attacks effectively compared to the other bosses
whats the max level for olympian favour and god's legacy?
stray urchin
40 and 10 i believe
molten briar
yeah the final boss is tough. His sweep attack has such a huge range and does SO much damage. Even builds that have felt really good as I climbed sometimes fall short as the final boss just gets ya. Elysium Boss is also a huge litmus test for my builds. There are lots of climbs where I know it's ending there before I even get there.
solemn chasm
@stray urchin ahh thanks
yeah elysium boss can be tough, but being patient and playing it slow makes it really easy as compared to the final boss, sometimes you think you dodged but still get hit lol
pine hazel
Elysium is pain as a whole
solemn chasm
yeah, stupid archers, shields and butterflies
pine hazel
The good things about Elysium are the second potential hammer and the special person encounter
midnight saddle
hey guys, this seems like it'd be really easy to google/discord text search but I'm having a frustratingly difficult time finding the answer: in the weapon selection room one weapon is glowing purple with debris animations... what does that mean?
pine hazel
Bonus darkness when you use it
midnight saddle
ok cool thank you very much
midnight saddle
yeah thats awesome thanks again
stray urchin
you can see the benefit as if it were a boon after equipping that weapon.
solemn chasm
i didn't know you can only getg a second hammer from elysium
stray urchin
Mhm. 1 Hammer from Tartarus/Asphodel, 1 Hammer from Elysium or beyond. Only one method can get you 3 Hammers in total and it costs 275 obol in the region past Elysium.
keen torrent
@real garnet I actually just made a 5 minute video about using your early game resources. If you're interested it's under the #self-promotion channel as 3 Essential Hades Beginner Tips
Has anyone been playing around with God focused builds? Was musing with the idea of seeing how the different gods worked stacked on their own
uneven slate
If the hammer is skipped in Tartarus or Asphodel for any reason, two may appear in Elysium.
molten briar
I know I have made some runs pretty god specific. I do have the mirror trait thing that gives you bonus damage for each different one you have so I try to spread them out but sometimes it just sorta works out where most of your abilities are only one and other times I force it after my first several are a single god. I favor Athena most of all for these things as getting a ton of deflect abilities really boosts survivability which is nice.
small nexus
Athena dash is a good way to train to abuse the I-Frames of your dash as well. Also, Broken Spearpoint is one of the most important keepsakes in the game IMO. It makes Styx so much easier
molten briar
I've never had a problem with Styx honestly. It's MUCH easier than Elysium for me with the exception of the boss fight in which its about on par
median anchor
Okay @solemn chasm Finally unlocked the weapon, it just took me more tries after making sure I did encounter/beat the boss with the lance, thanks for the help. No bugs.
magic hatch
I am honestly loving that Zeus' aspect of the shield 😂 Throw the shield with drunk bro god's hangover and all goes disco drunk mode!
rotund comet
Hey, anyone knows what does it mean to have an impenetrable bond with a character?
does it even mean anything?
pulsar frigate
you maxed out the bond with that person
[adjective] bond, with the adjective being different for every character
molten sluice
Is there a way to improve the odds of a god spawning or do you really just get the one boon from the keepsake?
Also ^ for chaos
obsidian locust
There is a mirror talent that increases the chance of run based resources on spawning
molten sluice
I mean like a specific god
molten sluice
😦
lyric forge
I very distinctly remember a run where I wanted to do an Arctic Blast Zag fists run, equipped the Demeter keepsake, got my attack boon right out of the gate and that was the final Demeter boon I saw for the rest of the run.
Despite running Fated Authority.
molten sluice
Happens to me all the time. That’s why i was asking
obsidian locust
Fated Authority could help lighten the load a lot
molten sluice
Go in with a keepsake for a build i want to do and then always get thrown like 4 dionysus and 3 posiedon instead
uneven slate
The more gods you 'have' the lower the chances get to receive a boon from the god you want later, because that waters down the selection Charon shops or chambers in later biomes offer. Reroll a god you don't want in your build with FA if you can, or skip them (provided you have a choice in the matter). But in some cases, Tartarus simply doesn't play out we want it to.
obsidian locust
Lesson: Learn to love what you get
molten sluice
How does the gods you have determine what comes up? Do the later zones only give you gods you already have or something?
obsidian locust
yes
The game seems to avoid giving more gods later on in the game
But it is still possible if you have only 2 or 1 god boon at the end of the run
I sometimes encounter Demeter in Styx out of nowhere sometimes
uneven slate
Purging boons to remove a god from your roster may help, but I am not entirely certain.
hardy shuttle
I'd recommend not starting with any "your next boon will be from ___" keepsake. That way you can guarantee a certain god or goddess when you enter the next region.
Got a good artemis build going? Choose her keepsake and help boost it further.
uneven slate
As long as you don't want to gun for a very specific build, which I recommend against as long as you are in the process of learning the ropes, take the Shattered Shackle and then let the boons in Tartarus decide in which direction your run will go.
vivid crane
If you’re playing on KBM, you can press B to see your boons and purchases that are in effect
candid herald
Thanks!
vivid crane
Cheers!
dim sundial
Also tab.
rotund comet
How can I unlock the hidden weapon aspects?
I have only the spear one
And I dont remember how I got it
apart from talking to aquilles
unreal berry
You invest at least 5 titan blood to each weapon
shell musk
do the keepsakes that guarantee that a boon will be from a specific god reset after each area
unreal berry
No, it only applies to one biome so it's best to switch to other keepsakes
shell musk
thanks
unreal berry
no problem
leaden whale
how can i work to unlock the ||unrevealed weapon aspects faster?||
unreal berry
You beat the final boss consistently I guess.
prime laurel
From what I remember, they mostly require having some amount of Titans Blood in a weapon already
Ex: You need 4 Titans blood in sword aspects to be offered the final aspect
(Not that exactly, because I don't remember the numbers, but something like that.) Hopefully someone else can confirm with specifics
Quick googling suggests: The spear aspect might be ||6 titans blood or three aspects unlocked||. The sword aspect requires the spear aspect first. The bow requires ||5 blood in bow aspects and talking to Artemis|| The rail aspect ||5 blood in rails and talk to Zeus|| and the shield aspect ||5 blood in shields and talk to chaos||.
Dunno how accurate that is, but if it's off it is probably still similar to that
gray haven
Requirements are all pinned in #h1-story-discussion.
rotund comet
Thanks @gray haven
solemn maple
Hello! Is there anywhere that has like recommended builds or something? I'm trying to learn spear for the first time, and it would be nice to know what (or who) I should aim for
raw coral
Depends on the aspect, which one are you inclined to play?
obsidian locust
I'd suggest GY for spear builds as its a super fun aspect at both low and high heat. I found that Athena's attack is usually the best to apply on it, but Dio also works.
gray haven
Well, that one also takes the longest to unlock and upgrade.
The other spear aspects have been buffed in the latest patch, too.
@solemn maple there's no resource for builds like what you're asking for. A large variety of builds can be surprisingly effective on all aspects, however. The wiki has information on all the boons, though, but it's still not fully updated for the latest major patch.
solemn maple
I guess what might help more, is that each weapon seems to lend itself towards a specific type of attack- cast for sword, special for shield or what have you. What stands out for the spear that I would want to build around?
gray haven
Hmm. I suppose Divine Strike and Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish are solid.
subtle crest
Why am I not getting a gods boon even tho I equipped her keepsake
gray haven
Probably with Hunter Dash.
The keepsake ensures the next boon is from that god (Lord Hermes can show up instead, though). It doesn't ensure the next room reward is a boon.
subtle crest
Yea but the first boon I saw wasnt from the god I picked
gray haven
In the early game, there are some scripted appearances from gods that take priority.
And the keepsake can only force a god once per run. If you skip the god, it will force that god for the next boons instead until you pick them.
gray haven
That little 1 tells you that you still have that 1 "charge". So the forcing is still in effect for the next boons.
subtle crest
Ty
crisp iron
so if I take Zeus' boon at the beginning and i pick Zeus in tarturis when i get to the next stage his keepsake does not prompt him to show and the 20 percent boost does not trigger?
sorry, Zeus's keepsake at the beginning
pulsar frigate
the rarity boost is the passive effect of the keepsake, you'll still keep it if you have it on in later biomes
the forced boon is one-time per run
crisp iron
cool. thanks!
rotund comet
Anyone got a fun build for GY spear?
I tried focusing on boons for the special
and crit
but dunno about daedalus boons
torn topaz
how can i meet demeter and thanatos
rotund comet
Thanatos starts appearing after your 22nd run I think
And Demeter will appear even later on after you reach a certain point in your run
I think I'd spoil things if I said more, just play and try to go as far as you can
torn topaz
i have gotten to styx but still nothing happens
rotund comet
have you fought the last boss?
torn topaz
no died because of the satyrs
torn topaz
the one after cereberus ?
rotund comet
yep
torn topaz
ok thx
latent berry
@torn topaz Please don't swear.
torn topaz
sorry
latent berry
It's alright, just keep it in mind
median totem
Welp had a pretty good run die because I tried to focus on Theseus. I guess I'll focus on the Bull next time onwards.
Reaching them is my PB anyway.
latent berry
median totem
It is. I tried doing it the opposite way.
torn topaz
yeah because atreis has very good range with his jumping strikes
median totem
I guess it depends on which god Theseus summons, because I managed to do that once without much trouble.
Then I died to a 180 turn by the Bull, ignore that.
vocal nymph
Asterius is definitely who you want to kill first imo
median totem
Shouldn't you be able to dash through a jumping Asterius?
torn topaz
yeah you can
median totem
I think you can't and get stuck in him.
rotund comet
I cant for the life of me figure out how will I kill them with th GY aspect
so little health ;-;
torn topaz
well try to get as many centaur hearts as you can
median totem
Well, I have two DDs now. Hopefully I'll do better from now on.
obsidian locust
I cant for the life of me figure out how will I kill them with th GY aspect
@rotund comet Try going for Either Athena or Dio on the attack
And focus the hammers on Massive and Quick spin
Dump aphro on special and you should be doing pretty good numbers if its an epic boon
However if the hammers don't give either of those then try going for a special build
median totem
The Spear has darkness boost for me and since I'm also trying to simultaneously farm, Imma use it. Can anyone tell me how to use the wep? I've struggled with it, can't get comfortable with it. (I have only base spear btw.)
obsidian locust
Alright I've found that the spin is more reliable than the throw with me on the spear
Use aphro on attack and arty on dash
rotund comet
I've been trying to get artemis on special because of the crits
obsidian locust
Should be pretty decent
obsidian locust
The only special that I bother using of the spear is Gy's since the weave and the dash of the other aspects are way too unreliable for me
I like that you can just toss the spear with GY
But the main gimmik of GY is the spin
So go with that
keen torrent
With the base spear I like stacking a curse on the special, especially if you have some titan blood on it. The range pens targets, applying weak or doom ideally, does some damage and ensures enemies are weak when they reach you.
I consider the spear to be a defensive weapon in comparison to the sword, take advantage of the range of your basic strikes, and whittle down the enemy at range before they reach you.
median totem
Had a decent run with it. Still don't like it much. Pos on attack was good for it.
gray haven
Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish will do decent damage on it. For an Attack-focused build, you can start with Divine Strike for a lot of safety from Dash-Strikes or Heartbreak Flourish for damage + Weak.
chrome elm
helloooooo
bought the game 2 days ago
i have a question, when i begin my escape, should i decide what i'm gonna do with my "build" right from the first upgrade?
and is there a good reason to chose the shop over a free god upgrade?
also is it benificial to focus on 1 god?
sorry about the spam ;P
real garnet
Hey so umm anyone one have any recommendations for first blood usage?
gray haven
@chrome elm it's good to have a general idea what you want in your build right from the start—especially for the core of your build—but then lean into what the game is giving you.
Having a plan that gives you multiple options depending on what you're seeing on the run will help you be consistent.
But that comes with knowing what all the boons do etc.
Charon's Shops let you skip a chamber for free. So you progress without having to fight. That alone can be worth skipping a boon.
If you have 250~300, you can buy 2 gold laurel rewards from the shop, and if you have more, you might even get to buy 3 good items.
That's instead of the 1 boon you would get in the other chamber.
Some gods also just don't fit into your build, while another could be very important, so you could skip that one for a chance to find the one you want in the shop.
torn topaz
whats the best aspect of the twin fists
prime laurel
"Best" is always relative. Zagreus Aspects always are the easiest to level. That alone may make them best to use for new players. After that, it comes to personal playstyle. What's good for one player might not be for another.
That being said, you can always look at the pinned document in #h1-high-heat-strategies and see which aspect is being used most often in high heat
Personally, my favorite is the Zagreus Aspect for the fists, as attack speed and dodge are a great combo.
gray haven
Well, there are tons of spoilers in the high heat channel. So you might want to avoid that.
Demeter Aspect is very strong and probably the most versatile.
They're all very good, though.
also is it benificial to focus on 1 god?
Yeah and no. It's usually most effective to focus on 2-3 gods that have good synergy + Lord Hermes and maybe Master Chaos.
torn topaz
thx
gray haven
Hey so umm anyone one have any recommendations for first blood usage?
@real garnet how many do you have?
torn topaz
lol
rotund comet
I simply cant come to beat ||Hades||, got to him with every weapon by now and no luck
drowsy dove
it takes some time
rotund comet
When the enemies start spawning the fight runs out of control
drowsy dove
if you need help getting a solid build we can help you out
rotund comet
what do the skulls do? I see it on top of my hp when I get hit
leaden whale
took me like 40 runs
rotund comet
My best runs so far were with the fists
Im using talos fists
but Im trying to improve on using the GY
oh also chaos shield
subtle ginkgo
redacted shoots projectiles
they lodge in you
and when lodged in you you take double damage
thats the skull
subtle ginkgo
they have decent tracking too so dont dodge them too early
and redacted does windup before throwing em so you can watch out for that
rotund comet
do I need to destroy them when on the ground?
subtle ginkgo
preferably yes
uneven slate
They will release a damaging shockwave after five seconds.
subtle ginkgo
when reaching end of natural lifespan they explode into a shockwave
but the shockwave can also be dashed through
rotund comet
ok so avoid and destroy skulls
subtle ginkgo
they have a little countdown that occurs on top of them as well
rotund comet
problem starts when redacted summons things like medusa and exalted
subtle ginkgo
its hard to see thoufh
generally i tend to focus down the adds before the boss
and honestly, the adds are literally nothing new so
prisma moat
The minions can make your life much worse
subtle ginkgo
you should know how to handle them
prisma moat
Especially if redacted summons exalted
subtle ginkgo
mm butterfly ball is the big suck
prisma moat
Yeah
rotund comet
What are good keepsakes to use with chaos shield?
rotund comet
started with it
gray haven
I've written down some tips for the final boss fight here if any of you need help with it. 
#h1-builds-and-combat message
rotund comet
was about to switch in asphodelus now
subtle ginkgo
well it depends on whose boons you have and who you want to develop
if you go the route of using a god keepsake anyway
rotund comet
I got zeus especial and jolted, minotaur rush hammer boon, and crystal beam cast
the rest are defensive
gray haven
Evergreen Acorn is a solid choice for Asphodel, too—and so is the Chthonic Coin Purse.
pine hazel
The question of good keepsakes partially depends on if you want a keepsake for a whole run or just the start of the first three areas for that sweet guaranteed boon/coin
at least that's what I think
gray haven
You can take the Acorn for all three areas.
pine hazel
acorn is a good full run keepsake
subtle ginkgo
acorn recharges every room yeah
rotund comet
nice
pine hazel
I like the broken spear point a lot myself
gray haven
I sometimes use it from Asphodel on. I very often use it from Elysium on. I don't use it for Tartarus.
subtle ginkgo
i go full god keepsake run because i am full of hubris
rotund comet
lol
pine hazel
I mean it's a good way to max rank the things at the least
but the fourth area is good for that too
subtle ginkgo
i believe acorn is by far the best defensive keepsake though, its really useful
gray haven
Whenever you're not sure what to pick, Cosmic Egg is actually a pretty good choice, too. You can check the Well first for a Light of Ixion.
subtle ginkgo
yeah if youre feeling confident in your run, a decent choice is just picking a keepsake to level
pine hazel
Isn't there supposed to be a mini quest for taking the egg all the way? Or do I just need to chat with Chaos more to get that unlocked?
if I need to spoiler any of that then someone say so
subtle ginkgo
yeah, wait for the prophecy to show up first before doing that
gray haven
I don't know what's officially a spoiler here in this channel.
subtle ginkgo
and you only need to swap it in in the last area
subtle ginkgo
i mean the new aspects are in patch notes except one
pine hazel
Aside from the fury trio I've kinda decided to avoid naming bosses in here, the aspects outside the base trio all weapons have as well
gray haven
Yes, but that's been the case for new aspects previously.
subtle ginkgo
i guess so
pine hazel
They are still spoilers kinda
gray haven
I think it's a necessary evil that they list things in the patch notes but that they would rather we discover things through the game.
balmy wigeon
Does everything that applies to the primary attack, also apply to dash attack?
drowsy pumice
Are there going to be any cutscenes? I`d love to see some with Hades (Banner Saga style) or with final blows to bosses. Is it due to budget scarcity that there is none in the beginning?
subtle ginkgo
and athena’s dash boon
leaden whale
@gray haven I usually take tooth act 4. Should I be taking acorn instead?
gray haven
Yeah!
sly vigil
Acorn provides more effective HP
stray urchin
If you're unsure about being able to make it to the Final Boss though, take Tooth or Spear
gray haven
Lucky Tooth is great in earlier biomes when you messed up before and need to somehow carry on to the next Well to replenish DDs, though I would take the Coin Purse for that more often unless I have really low HP or already taken it in an earlier biome.
leaden whale
Yea, I'm addicted to coin purse. No need to force anything early, can make do with anything for the most part
gray haven
I pretty much always force a god in at least Tartarus—and most of the time in Asphodel.
But you don't have to do that.
balmy wigeon
||Is it possible to dash through Hades' attacks?||
civic marten
Think so yea
gray haven
Dashes have i-frames, so any attack can be i-framed with good timing, yeah.
i-frames = invincible frames
faint umbra
@balmy wigeon the final boss is a spoiler in this channel, please spoiler your message accordingly!
frosty rose
How far do you have to go to unlock fishing? or does it just kinda show up after a while?
balmy wigeon
It's given to you at the start of a run at some point
stray urchin
You have to buy it from the House Contractor, it appears after you've made it to Region 4.
frosty rose
Ah, so I have to get past my current wall then, got it
gentle needle
have at leat 1 defiance left
stray urchin
the final boss is a spoiler in this channel, please spoiler your message accordingly!
-Mods
Final Boss spoilers: ||When a brief outline appears around him, dash away from where he's looking. Otherwise you'll get caught in a massive and very damaging spin attack||
gentle needle
k thx
rotund comet
Day 1023, still stuck at redacted
got so far as ||his last phase|| but got there with no death defiance
thats the farthest I've ever gone and I was so strong
sad
prisma moat
You'll get it
Maybe spoil the ||second phase too||
||cause that is a nasty surprise||
rotund comet
oh sure
balmy wigeon
Some builds make it way easier than others. Particularly those that don't require you to be even within redacted's line of sight to deal damage
gentle needle
just got the ||twin fists|| whats next and how to get it
frosty rose
Next weapon showed up for me after I did a run with the fists.
next quiver
Hey, do you guys know if there is a way to have details on the icons on the left ? (When you have boons etc) like hovering showing a tooltip with the details or something ?
ornate remnant
Then you can mouse over or click on them
prisma moat
Its alright, i also completely missed it
ornate remnant
I think I knew about it because I went into the controls settings early on
next quiver
Also noticed after a few hours of gameplay you can interact with the weapon selected so you can upgrade it
It may be the two thing that would maybe need a bit of work to explain to new players imo
quaint ravine
So you can “select” boons when you open the side menu, it puts a marker over them but doesn’t actually appear to do anything?
next quiver
Looks like it locks them in the list on the right, so you can compare them or something?
balmy wigeon
It's for the purpose of screenshotting your build I'd say
somber mulch
The selecting boons thing is for when you finsih a run
theres an end screen that alows you to showcase your boons
median totem
Death by Redacted's second phase. First time facing them.
I guess I'm out of the new player range now.
And yeah, aiming for the Minotaur first is much easier. Makes handling Theseus' second phase easier.
I think I tried to tank too much of the attack in an effort to make most use of full gauge Zeus.
unreal berry
You'll get him next time I'm sure
median totem
If I have 250-300 health, 3 death defies and a decent build, yeah sure. Although I admit that was the cleanest Elysium fight I ever had. (And of course the first time I beat Ely bosses as well.)
I just realised there's no way to share your build on death. There should be a way to do that I suppose since it'll help others and the person themselves improve.
unreal vigil
There's a way to see these stats but you have to unlock sth beforehand
plush isle
Can someone advise on what should I focus early on ? I only got two second boss...once and died I can’t make much progress so I am trying to find a way to change it...
knotty hearth
Learning the enemies' telegraphs and proper dodge timings is definitely the way. Your dodges have invincibility frames which allows you to evade damage and dodge through some attacks completely (i.e. through damage waves).
arctic sentinel
Try the "god mode" in options
chrome jackal
I am quite new to the game (got to first proper boss twice also), but I don't think god mode is the answer. The answer is to play and play and upgrade via the mirror, get keepsakes and keep on trying, and when you fail, try some more, upgrade some more. To me, god mode feels like taking away from the point of the game
leaden whale
Yea, took me 40 er so runs to beat the final boss
chrome jackal
that and also getting lucky wit the upgrades you find on the way to the boss
40 runs? yikes
I love this game though, so glad I bought it! Kinda addicted now
frosty gazelle
God mode gives newer and impatient players more effective time to practice against against boss patterns and learn them.
It's discouraging for some to play spend 40 minutes, only to die to the last boss on seconds. It's difficult to learn patterns without repeated practice.
subtle ginkgo
i mean god mode is just lowering the difficulty of the game
it doesnt really take away anything from the experience
just makes runs smoother
no shame in using it tbqh
pine hazel
A nice(?) bit to know is that even at its cap you can still get combo'd to death by a fair number of foes in the game
lyric forge
Agreed, no shame in using god mode if you want to progress faster or with less hassle. It's there for a reason.
pine hazel
but it does save your rear from a quick two second death
soft star
God mode is much more important for bullet hell style games. I like it being in hades though so my little cousin could play
unreal vigil
I mean, Hades does get bullet hell at certain points
pine hazel
Witches, in all their varieties, exist to make it so
unreal vigil
Soul catchers too
pine hazel
#1 reason I usually try to get athena's dash asap, to counter projectile spam
leaden whale
divine dash is my crutch
unreal vigil
Got the bad habit of ignoring them until my screen becomes 90% butterflies
pine hazel
ugh butterflies, more of a bother than the actual Bothers
unreal vigil
Athena's dash is also great cause you can deflect the final boss' projectiles back at them
pine hazel
Athena dash is great for all the boss projectiles
especially if you get Brilliant Riposte, to make them do more damage when deflected
unreal vigil
And then you laugh maniacally at your brilliance
gray haven
Why get Divine Dash when you can get Divine Strike and just keep attacking while deflecting everything.
frosty gazelle
I recently found that rail 4 with Athena attack and ||infinite ammo hammer|| trivializes all projectile rooms lol
pine hazel
because some weapons are too slow for that Nyaa
unreal vigil
Oh that reminds me of when I had maxed out ||Excalibur|| with the || gain health at every attack that hits|| hammer and the game became 'press x to win'
pine hazel
the hammer changes on weapons are just 👌 90% of the time
unreal vigil
Finished the final boss fight with full HP
pine hazel
betting that got you a nice title/note on the side
unreal vigil
I don't remember of it did tbh, will have to doublecheck
gray haven
That's a ||"Perfect Clear"||.
unreal vigil
Ooh neat!
plush blaze
hi guys, is it possible to know if a "second life" has been provided by the Lucky Tooth keepsake or by the Death Defiance skill? cause in this current playthrough I have indeed been revived once, now I just finished an area and am in the section before the next one, where you can change the keepsake etc., and Idk if I should change the Lucky Tooth keepsake (aka: if its effect has been used) or not
(hope my question is clear, it was a bit hard to explain 😅 )
vivid crane
There should be little circular pips in the bottom left above your health bar that will be empty if used or full with a symbol if available? If you see the little skull icon down there you’ll know skelly’s tooth is still available.
Tip: skelly’s tooth will always be the last revive to get used, so if you have at least one defiance and haven’t revived then you know it will still save you
Or at least, it has been that way in the past, they might change it.
pine vessel
can someone dm me i have a question about all the weapons
plush blaze
@vivid crane thank you for answering!! I hadn't noticed the icon
knotty rover
is there only 3 Aspect per weapon now in game or they will unlock later smh?
knotty rover
i don't need to unlock all 3 aspect to get 4th right?
jaunty zenith
so i just bought hades and bastion during the summer sale and im really enjoying both games! are there any tips you guys can give me to get better? (im at the point where i have the first keepsake)
obsidian locust
lyric forge
No. Have the Spear 4 aspect unlocked, after that you need a total of five blood invested in any other aspect of the weapon you wanna get the 4th for, then talk to a specific character.
obsidian locust
You want tips for Bastion or Hades?
jaunty zenith
hades
knotty rover
thanks @obsidian locust @lyric forge
i thought about how i'm gonna spend titan blood
obsidian locust
No problem! We're here to help
lyric forge
Well, if you'd ask me personally I'd say going for the 4th aspect is really only very worth it on the Rail, Spear is quite awesome as well. Bow, Sword and Shield aren't bad or anything, but less reliable I think.
obsidian locust
I agree, The 4th aspect spear and rail are the most unique ones that I've seen and they are super fun with
The sword 4th aspect is still super fun for me but I'm still getting used to the new shield and bow aspects
lyric forge
Sword 4 is a weird one. It's definitely fun to play, just not for long I feel. The chonk is real but the slowness always bothers me.
knotty rover
i wanted to try boosted crit chance on first bow with huntress boon for crits 
obsidian locust
On the attack or special?
lyric forge
Zag aspect bow is quite good if you can handle the bow. Which I really, really can't, my weakest weapon by far.
obsidian locust
I think achiles spear is the weakest to me
But if I were to give tips for the zag aspect bow, try going with crit or aphro on special
knotty rover
i like shield and spear too
but charge atk on spear is kinda eeh
obsidian locust
The gives more consistent damage for me with that aspect
lyric forge
Achilles spear plays a bit wonky but it's quite good for cast builds. Plus you now get four charges.
obsidian locust
Spear is debatably one of the most hardest weapons to master
GY is still one of my favorite weapon aspects
frank veldt
hades aspect spear is rad
lyric forge
Yeah, Hades aspect I'm growing more fond of with time as well.
obsidian locust
Spear got HUGE buffs this patch and I'm digging it
frosty rose
Really enjoyed it when I unlocked it. The spear spin ranmge is ridiculous
half frigate
New player here and I have been playing the bow. I was thinking of switching to shield and am not sure which aspect to use? I was thinking of using the first aspect, damage reduction because it is cheap to level up in blood cost but I hear a lot of people say chaos is the best aspect. What is everyone's opinion here?
frosty rose
Chaos got me to the final boss, so it can't be that bad. I ended up with a lot of good Q synergy though, so good if you're focus on that apparently
half frigate
thanks! I guess I should have posted this in the builds section too, my bad
frosty rose
First weapon that got me to the last boss I should say*
rotund comet
my goodness I'm so bad at this game
got to redacted this time with full health and 2 extra lives
bitter cedar
Try and retry
rotund comet
godammit
bitter cedar
you will go far at each run
rotund comet
its like my 70th run
bitter cedar
No worries
bitter cedar
there is some luck to have and some bonus combo to make
rotund comet
bitter cedar
luck on random bonus and think to the best combo with this bonus you get and chose
rotund comet
I got almost every boom from poseidon on the exagryph, two legendaries from him (one of them for fishing but oh well)
I was really strong
sad
bitter cedar
Yes i managed to reach end with only one weapon too. But game is so addictive i can't stop play 😋
bitter cedar
Story and background are awesome
charact design too
I am wondering what will their next game.
rotund comet
I love their games dude, ever since transistor and bastion
played a tiny bit of Pyre too but not as much as the others
every single one is a beauty
obtuse wing
hi guys, i have a question, how am i supposed to unlock the gold heart with the keyhole for cerberus?
lyric forge
I think you need to pet him a lot. Not entirely sure, haven't gotten to that myself yet.
obtuse wing
guess i'll keep petting the goodest boy then
scenic veldt
my very first win was with the shield
wicked yacht
question about heat
if highest heat i beat with a weapon is 1
and i raise the heat to 3
do i get rewards for doing heat 2
or do i have to ghtrough every heat level in order
wicked yacht
so just to make sure beating tar in a new heat level is a good method of farming titan blood if i'm not confident in ability to beat styx on higher heats?
ornate remnant
well, not quite
you only get rewards for the lowest heat you haven't yet cleared
so once you've gotten rewards for heat 2 against a certain boss, you can't get the same reward until you fully clear that heat
ornate remnant
o7 best of luck!
frosty gazelle
Pretty much. I remember newer players wanting more Titan blood before unlocking heat. But it's like, if you haven't unlocked heats in the first place, there's probably a lot to learn first lol
marble gyro
I've played Bastion before and it was my first indie game to play, it's amazing. I'm genuinely enjoying Hades so far. I've remembered Supergiant released the trailer for Hades around Game Awards 2018 (I think) but I was put off by releasing the game exclusively on Epic Games. The amount of content you guys provided is so overwhelming for an Early Access game. Not going to lie, I was on the fence for this game because I got turn off by the Early Access tag. When I bought it, I just realized how addicting and immersive the game is. Other than that, I cannot wait for the full release of the game and delete the save file again.
ornate remnant
You don't even need to delete your save file! You have I think 4 save file slots, so you can just start in a new one
marble gyro
haha, nah i want to fully experience the game
its one of those games I want to delete the save file and start over again
for me at least
ornate remnant
if that's how you roll, power to you
marble gyro
thank you thank you 😄
gloomy prairie
Does anyone know how to make Thanatos Appear?
tight prairie
Hey guys, I've got a question about reputation. I've gotten to the point where I've got a lock on the heart with Sisyphus and I had a ||cutscene with him and Meg,|| but I don't know where to go from here. Any tips?
sly vigil
Hey there, a lock on the heart means that you have yet to satisfied some conditions to continue. If you don't want to spoil yourself, just do more runs and keep paying attentions to dialogues.
If you really want to continue the affinity progression and not worry too much about spoiler, you can visit #h1-story-discussion and ask there. Hope this helps!
tight prairie
Sure, thanks!
ocean yarrow
Is there an official chart or guide for boons in terms of knowing which boons enable which boons to appear?
somber mulch
Official no but the wiki has progression trees for each of the gods boons
Theres Ares because it was the Gods page I could go to the quickest
@ocean yarrow
They are not updated to the newest patch though
pastel cipher
The progression chart is out of date for a few gods at least Infernape
Artemis most noteably
somber mulch
I didnt realize that Artemis had her boon tiers reworked
It makes sense since theres a handful of new boons for like everyone
pastel cipher
Dual cast is now a ||duo|| with ||poseidon|| called ||mirage shot (name might be off)|| for example
somber mulch
Ahhh okay
ocean yarrow
thank you for the answers
mint parrot
Anyone have tips for using the bow? I just can’t seem to get the hang of it
I hate how it locks me in place when I’m firing, I feel like I take so many hits because I can’t get a handle on the playstyle
tepid vale
dash-strike
dodge then fire, your powershots are lower damage but faster
so you're much more mobile
mint parrot
Got it, thanks for the tip
subtle ginkgo
also its fine to just give up on your current charge and run
escape a little bit earlier or leave yourself some leeway
dense laurel
what do i get killing the hidden boss
somber mulch
||a membership card, it makes stuff cheaper||
dense laurel
oh nice
subtle ginkgo
||20% to be exact. applies to everything from wells to the blood/diamond at the end||
leaden whale
@civic marten which is the bone hourglass?
civic marten
you'd need to give a nectar to the purple dude with the hat
err.. im blanking on his name
the raft man
leaden whale
can i send print screens in this channel?
civic marten
charon?
And then you can use the bone hourglass
I had trouble on elysium too tbh
But I just spent gold on health and took the alternative death defiance
and made it through (badly, losing a lot of health and gold, and using like a death defiance each stage)
and slowly I got better
civic marten
Why do you need a screenshot anyway
leaden whale
oh, right. imgur is a thing still xd
i have these
what would be better to use with sword / shield
i only like those 2 so far
gray haven
Honestly, just getting more Darkness to max out your Death Defiances and practicing in more runs will help you through Elysium.
gray haven
Errr. You'll need to ||unlock all 6 weapons first, and I think take each of them on a run once||.
Aegis is probably easier early on because you can just block a lot of attacks.
It was easier for me at least when I started.
leaden whale
alrgiht i'll keep practicing shield then
leaden raft
Sry if this is a stupid question but it´s not so long since I unlocked heat at all, and what I want to know is: Do I have to unlock the rewards of higher heat levels by collecting all of them in the previous level or is something going wrong with my game?
gray haven
Yeah, the bounties always go up only 1 heat after a clear.
So raising the heat higher than that doesn't give you bounties faster.
serene lintel
hey guys, i was thinking of getting the game and i wanted to know how well does it fair when playing with the sound off?
i like to play games with my own music on, but i heard its important in this game
leaden whale
eh, i've been playing with both my own music and the game fx sounds
and it's pretty neat
serene lintel
i didnt phrase my question well
i meant, i like to have my own music on and turn off the game sounds
leaden whale
the feedback on some stuff helps in terms of gameplay, but it's not gamechanging
if that's what your asking
gray haven
It's definitely playable without sound.
serene lintel
well that's pretty much what i wanted to know
thanks guys, probably gonna grab the game later today
👍
leaden whale
Nya is there any point of giving more than one nectar to each hero?
gray haven
Yeah, you unlock ||more story and some characters might give you a Chthonic Companion later on||.
leaden whale
thanks guys, probably gonna grab the game later today
enjoy!
leaden whale
this is my first of the genre
serene lintel
its a really interesting genre
its not easy to get into rogue likes but when you do its awesome
serene lintel
lol
leaden whale
bosses keep changing oof
tame herald
Is there a particular order I should prioritize when giving away the nectar? I can give one to the training dummy??
tame herald
Welp already gave 3 to the shopkeeper lol, but ok
gray haven
It's important to give all your Nectar and life to Lady Aphrodite and no one else. Ever. 🔫
tame herald
x)
pastel cipher
give as much nectar as you want to whoever you can, the character interactions are great
tame herald
Ahhh I can use the codex and when I get to the "ribbon heart" I get something?
Gotcha, but just from a completionist point of view, wondering wat is best to do first
pastel cipher
from a completion standpoint, at least one to everyone you can and go from there ^_^
tame herald
Thanks!
gray haven
1 for Cerberus, 1 for Skelly, and 1 for Hypnos will be very helpful early on.
median totem
Ah okay.
pastel cipher
ty ^_^
median totem
Np, didn't realise that was a spoiler.
gray haven
@pastel cipher what's a good guideline for what's considered spoilers here, actually?
pastel cipher
considering this is a channel for newer players, anything that would be considered a spoiler in #h1-discussion
so most things past past the first run clear including final boss
median totem
I guess I'll ask for advice on there now from now onwards, since I recently defeated them.
Actually, can you pin that? It's a good guideline for people whether to ask here or not.
gray haven
Can still ask here if you're mindful of spoilers.
pastel cipher
mmhm ^_^
gray haven
And people replying will probably be more mindful of spoilers, too.
pastel cipher
always good to ask questions 😄
gray haven
I completely avoided the server early on to avoid spoilers because we didn't have this channel then.
pastel cipher
the majority of people here are pretty chill and understand everyone is a new player at some point 
plucky hound
So what is this Clear 1.6% around the keepsake everytime I complete a chamber?
median totem
Which keepsake are you using?
plucky hound
idr the name but it was the one given by hermes
latent berry
Ah right
Lambent Plume
Essentially, if you clear an encounter on time, you gain +1/1.1/1.2% speed, depending on the tier.
plucky hound
You mean after each chamber it get added to base % and reset after death. It is a great keepshake then.
latent berry
It does add up yes. Do keep in mind though, if you switch keepsakes the effect is lost in the run.
plucky hound
k
leaden whale
what are the boons? im confused
the red ones?
i'm not understanding how the shattered shackle works
latent berry
What do you mean by the red boons?
pulsar frigate
if your attack, special, or cast don't have a boon (any god power-ups) on them, they get a damage increase
latent berry
^
latent berry
Poms yeah
leaden whale
if i get a boon for my attack, does my special and cast lose the buff?
latent berry
Nope
pulsar frigate
nope, they're individual
leaden whale
oh ok that's nice then
latent berry
It is pretty neat yeah
pulsar frigate
it's great for the first two biomes when you probably don't have any boons on those yet
latent berry
Yes, though that can come at the cost of making a God a priority
Depends on what you're going for really
leaden whale
im not sure yet which gods go well with each weapon
i'm mostly playing sword or shield or dual fists now. but my builds sometimes are just bad and im hitting 30 in elysium lol
it's rly not working out ofr me
gray haven
Divine Strike is pretty good and fairly safe on both Stygius and Malphon.
charred breach
how do you get fully loaded? I feel like it's impossible to get
sly vigil
You don't
pulsar frigate
Chaaron Today at 12:51 AM
it's any 2 of 3 of exit wounds, support fire and hunters mark from memory
torn topaz
any tips for the last boss
ivory ocean
@torn topaz please spoiler tag the last boss's name or change it, this is a spoiler free channel
also please do not try to get around the swearing filter
sly vigil
Can you be more specific?
Then idk what we can tell you but dodge his attacks and hit him when he's not attacking lol
torn topaz
thz
dense laurel
does giving bouldy a nectar only give move speed?
dense laurel
wats ambiguity bonus
faint umbra
its ambiguous B) ||it does nothing||
gray haven
@torn topaz I've written down some tips for the final boss fight here. #h1-builds-and-combat message
ebon flicker
is an enemy considered undamaged as long as it has armor?
ornate remnant
I don't think so?
tribal flicker
That's a really good question. Armor damage is probably counted in, for balancing purposes
faint umbra
an enemy is considered undamaged as long as you havent hit it, i imagine
armored or not
ebon flicker
generally the bonus damage for undamaged enemies are low, while bonus damage to armor is high
but armor dmg is useless vs bosses
pine hazel
for the bosses themselves yes, but not for any minions they might summon that happen to have armor
ebon flicker
but having a bonus for only the first hit seems kind of bad vs the high dmg that can be taken directly vs armor
outer solar
in the codex, what does the keyhole symbol mean versus the clock symbol in the relationship gauges?
pulsar frigate
keyhole means you have to complete certain requirements in order to continue giving them items, this may range from simply talking to them more to a full blown sidequest
clocks mean that the content has not been implemented into the game yet; they’ll be coming in future updates
outer solar
thank you!
pulsar frigate
👍
gentle needle
how does ||call ||work bc ive seen upgrades like impervius when doing but hoe do you get the option
pulsar frigate
calls get unlocked after a certain amount of runs
sly vigil
Yeah there is a scripted event that will give you call. After the run with that scripted event, calls will be offered as a normal boon that you can take.
dreamy escarp
Godamn, this game is one hell of a gem
subtle ginkgo
if only it was easier to get gems
stark silo
Ayy
Usually if i want to progress in a certain zone of the house i first pick the most expensive object so from there things cost less
balmy wigeon
How does it work when different abilities have different hangover damage? Each applied stack has its own damage value?
leaden whale
if attack has 7 and special has 8. if u make 3 stacks with attack u can't replace them with special
so you are losing out on damage there
gray haven
@leaden whale do you know for a fact that you can't override Hangover stacks with new ones? How do you know this?
gray haven
How did you test it?
If you remember.
I'm asking because I haven't tested it yet, so my numbers in my spreadsheets for Dionysus' Aid will need some updating if that's true.
leaden whale
well i don't know if i'll be able to explain this but then i made sure attack was making X dmg and special was making Y damage. then i made different stack combinations and saw the damage right after stack 5
then depending on how many X or Y stacks i had applied i could figure out if they were being replaced or not
i also figured the first stack applied is the first to go away so eventually if u attack attack special special special and after it drops to 4 stacks u apply special again, the first attack stack is lost
@gray haven is there a tier list for weapons and aspects?
gray haven
No, not really. I think all of us who do high heat generally agree on like a couple weapons being top tier, but other than that, there's just still way too much that hasn't been pushed high yet to make any calls like that.
Plus, what's viable on high heat doesn't necessarily apply to what works best on lower heat or for speedruns.
noble patio
I'd argue that every weapon works fine for most casual players
gray haven
Absolutely.
The ||Chaos Aspect|| of the shield when maxed out will arguably be the easiest weapon to use by far for newer players and also for high heat players. But it's not necessarily the strongest in potential (though it's definitely a candidate).
leaden whale
i was thinking going aspect of zagreus for sword or dual fists and sticking to one of them
what do u think?
i havent't claread elysium boss a single time yet :/
cleared*
gray haven
Zagreus Aspect for Malphon is very strong. I think most of us believe that the Zagreus Aspect for Stygius is very underwhelming compared to other options. But, we could very well be wrong on that.
raw rivet
Zag aspect on fists is very good
leaden whale
think zagreus aspect for malphon would help me make my first win?
dry kernel
well definitely good luck on that!
gray haven
I think so! Divine Strike on that is very strong and safe. Just make sure you're ready to dash for things like the second boss's ||head slams|| or the third and fourth bosses' ||spin attacks||!
leaden whale
divine strike is from athenas?
gray haven
You can't deflect those attacks. So you need to be ready to dash to either i-frame them or to get out of range.
Yeah.
leaden whale
yea my builds have been very bad and incosistent
not sure what to do about that
im able to reached elysium with whatever the game gives me rn but then the build really starts to suck xd
gray haven
Divine Strike + Hunter Dash, then focus on getting Support Fire from Lady Artemis and Deadly Reversal from either of them (that's their Duo Boon). That's the build people have started calling "Mewmew Special". 😅
leaden whale
ahaha alright i'll try to go for that
gray haven
And thanks for explaining how you tested it. I'll have to go over my spreadsheets tomorrow maybe.
real garnet
Question. Can you earn bounty for each weapon aspect or is it just the weapon?
sly vigil
Just the weapon
real garnet
Also if you do higher heat than required. do you gain the rewards for the next heat level too? or just the heat level required.
sly vigil
Just the one that you left off at
Let's say you die at Elysium bossfight fight on 5 heat
If you go to 10 hit and clear, you would get reward for 5 only
real garnet
ok that nice to know. thanks
sly vigil
Np!
dry kernel
uhhhh i don't know if this is a bug or I am pressing some wrong buttons, but when I hold down attack on the spear, sometimes it doesn't release the sweep
and it always happens after it's maxed out
real garnet
are you kb&m?
real garnet
wait so your mouse doesnt let go of the sweep? have you check if it is your mouse?
dry kernel
oh no, it's like after I stop holding it down, the animation of charging up the sweep is canceled and nothing happens
real garnet
wait does it always happen in a run? there are some boons that hammer upgrades that prevent the sweep. maybe a visual bug?
iron pendant
Quick question, I don't know if you ask this kind of thing here, is there a way to disable autoaim with the mouse?
leaden whale
settings - controls menu
real garnet
if you can actively reproduce it send a bug report. if you want to, paste the steps to do it in the #h1-tech-support and i can see if i can reproduce it.
@iron pendant Settings then control. it is a tick mark
dry kernel
alright thanks
gray haven
If you can't reproduce it, send a bug report either way.
iron pendant
thankssssss
real garnet
honestly i still cant believe they havent fixed the key rebinding issue.
lusty hull
hey the only place on the wiki i can find that hints at what each of the boon symbols mean is this gif which flips through them. Am i missing something obvious? https://hades.gamepedia.com/File:CharonBoonAnimated.gif
like who does the yellow circle belong to
lusty hull
ohh the in game one, good call
pulsar frigate
congrats!
lusty hull
i did too today, felt good :D
leaden whale
styx looks cool
gray haven
Congrats! Go go go!
leaden whale
this is hard :shy:
tepid tide
It will only get better from here
leaden whale
holy tiny vermin op ahahah
do i get the contractors upgrade or the fishing rod first?
i only have 2 diamonds. contractors upgrade costs 2
pulsar frigate
you're gonna need (and get) more diamonds afterwards anyways
imo the rod of fishing, it becomes easier to grind out resources
leaden whale
what does fishing give and how do i do it?
lyric forge
Fishing: at some point you will hear a loud "ping" after clearing a chamber. Look in the liquid pools for a brightly glowing light, you can throw your fishing rod in there. The rod will bop a few times, once that bopping is accompanied by a flash of light you need to press the button to catch the fish.
As a reward you will gain Gems (Tartarus or Styx), Cthonic Keys (Asphodel), Nectar (Elysium) or Darkness (Chaos).
lyric forge
Depends on the type of fish you catch and the reward.
There's three types of fish, one you can only catch with a "perfect catch", i.e. inside of like 0.3 seconds after the flash.
For gems the worst one is 5 gems, the best one 150. Keys and Nectar are 1-2-3 each, Darkness I'm not certain.
leaden whale
aight chief! thx for explaining
pulsar frigate
it's similar to animal crossing fishing
a few fake bobs and a real one (looks like a flash of light)
wet knot
do you guys use gods' pride or gods' legacy?
lyric forge
Usually Legacy, unless I know the build I'm working towards doesn't need a duo, or would be better off with just the rarity.
leaden whale
what's that?
wet knot
gods' pride = upgraded chance to find epic boons
gods' legacy = slightly less upgraded chance to find legendary or duo boons
slightly less chance from gods' pride that is
gray haven
I always take rare+ and epic+.
Duo Boons and Legendary Boons are nice, but core boons make the core of your build almost always.
wet knot
that makes sense
gray haven
And you want those at the best rarity you can get.
wet knot
unless there is a certain duo/ leghendary boon that you NEED to get for the build i assume?
lyric forge
Depends. If I want to run Merciful End I really, really, really need Merciful End. The Ares Attack and Athena Dash can be whatever rarity, but I NEED that Duo for the build to function.
pulsar frigate
i run legacy bc i still haven't seen all the new duo boons yet
gray haven
For certain builds like e.g. Blizzard Shot, you really really need that Duo Boon. So it makes sense to use the talent for that.
I think for Merciful End, I would actually still prefer a better chance of getting Epic Curse of Agony or Epic Curse of Pain.
wet knot
but that leaves the chance for merciful end to never show up
is that chance worth risking
gray haven
That's okay, though, because Doom + Deflect is still a very strong combo.
lyric forge
I'd argue that if you have an Ares attack and an Athena dash, getting Merciful End makes the build much, much better than any sort of rarity ever would.
gray haven
It also has a tendency to show up regardless.
leaden whale
what is merciful end :^)
lyric forge
In an ideal world I'd have both, obviously, but I'd rather take my chances with forcing the Duo than with Epic. Plus the +rare talent is still there.
gray haven
And you can get good DPS from other Epic boons you get on the run.
lyric forge
@leaden whale Ares / Athena duo boon. Makes it so that Doom effect from Ares trigger immediately once you hit with an ability that can deflect.
With bonus damage, to boot.
leaden whale
seems fun
lyric forge
Makes certain builds (Zagreus aspect fists + Ares Attack + Athena Dash) insanely strong.
leaden whale
@gray haven i tried to do your build but i didn't get a single decent boon the whole run, still made it to styx somehow xd
gray haven
One of the strongest combos on a lot of aspects for sure.
lyric forge
Yup, works on a lot of things.
leaden whale
i got divine strike but didn't get the dash
wait i took a screenshot before going to the elysium boss
ill imgur
how bad is this
my dmg wasn't good
lyric forge
That is a bucketload of HP, my dude.
leaden whale
i die a lot ahah
gray haven
Hmm. To be honest, you can clear the whole game very safely and fast with just Divine Strike and nothing else on Malphon.
leaden whale
what u mean safely :/ those rats in styx rekt me
sly vigil
If anything, I think around 225-250 HP is the sweet spot for HP to current a run.
torpid hatch
about the mini rats - the dash boon should be just perfect for them
lyric forge
I generally try to have like 200 health, maybe a bit more, but that's generally fine.
sly vigil
but it is what it is, you are right in front up Elysium boss, not much you can do anymore
just.. move?
gray haven
Yeah, still gotta learn how to deal with rats and stuff. But deflect on attack helps a lot with a lot of attacks like all the projectiles in Asphodel etc.
real garnet
hey for the heat property that adds trap damage. Does that only apply to the player or the monsters too?
leaden whale
i guess, elisyum was kinda hard still but i managed it
sly vigil
only player
torpid hatch
id say rats die to most dash boons if you dont have good aoe for them
gray haven
Do you have the keepsake from Lady Artemis?