sorry for the misinformation then its a been a long time since i unlocked everything
#h1-for-new-players
rapid pagoda
ornate remnant
Per the information on the wiki and the pinned message in #h1-story-discussion , you can unlock variant aspects after || unlocking all weapons and getting at least one Titan's Blood ||
Hope that helps ^.^
vague lava
oh wow
so that should be changed then?
I found my info from ||https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/e91y70/how_do_you_upgrade_weapons/|| lol
#reddit lol
ornate remnant
I...would not trust Reddit for gaming advice
tired fulcrum
they try their best
ornate remnant
They do
But they don't have the instant feedback and communication that we have in the discord
Also, the wiki is very well maintained
It'll take a little bit to be fully updated, but I can't imagine they changed something like how to get the weapons
I can do a new save tomorrow to verify that that's how you unlock aspects
vague lava
I always thought that the wiki was alwys hard to navigate
is it actually really easy?
cause for everygame I haven't bothered with the wiki cause I'm scared it is so hard to find info lol
ornate remnant
I've never had any issues with it, but I also mostly just use it to double-check boon trees
Just make heavy use of the search bar
stray urchin
@vague lava The Gamepedia wiki's front page will lead you to many pages that describe Room Rewards like Centaur Hearts or Daedalus Hammers, character pages such as Prince Zagreus himself, a full list of the Boons each Olympian offers (on their personal pages), and weapon pages to learn the Daedalus upgrades / damage numbers of each Infernal Arm.
If there's anything else in the game you want to learn more about (at risk of spoilers), the search bar in the top right accepts the Names of most things in the game in the easy dropdown menu or will search the text of the whole wiki to try and find what you're looking for!
uneven slate
You sure have your work cut out for you now as a wiki editor.
I really appreciate the effort.
obsidian locust
Respect
rocky sigil
IMO the game wiki for hades is way too over engineered. Really hard to find info you want because the pages are generally overstuffed
rose abyss
why do I feel like I do no damage? I see streamers literally chunking down bosses in seconds. I've beaten the game few times but its takes me like 25 minutes to clear even with 0 heat.
devout quartz
Streamers don't waste any time and pause to think instead of standing around, that's so the timer don't keep running
Once you try tight deadlines you realize how much time you waste, another thing is streamers miss less attacks and know how to make a build more powerful , this increase their dps
Just think of how many times you dash but ended in the wrong place to actually hit a boss
gray haven
Maxing out most of the mirror actually gives you a lot of DPS.
House Contractor upgrades will also give you more stuff during a run that you can invest in more DPS.
Maxed out keepsakes will also give you better odds of getting higher rarity boons when forcing gods, which will give you more DPS.
dark atlas
And there are also Companions.
vague lava
Is Shield just complete broken ||Chaos Aspect||?
Do allot of people avoid it for this reason?
stray urchin
From what I know, a lot of people love that aspect in high-level play when it's maxed out.
vague lava
Special dealing more damage for ||Chaos aspect on shield does it only increase the main shields damage?||
stray urchin
I believe Daedalus Upgrades only affect the main special however.
vague lava
and Ares is best for chaos aspect right?
I love Ares I always try to get it lol
Is there any heat that actually makes the run easier?
pulsar frigate
for speedrunners, forced overtime makes enemies spawn faster
dark atlas
And Deadline prevents survival rooms from spawning IIRC.
vague lava
Does the final room rewards spawn new ones when you go through a gate?
cause I only got a diamond on this run ;__;
dark atlas
Do you mean Styx shop?
vague lava
the final shop If that is styx's shop
vague lava
ah ok
old flume
How do I get a companion. Dusa and Skelly don't accept gifts from me anymore and I have ambroisa to give to them
stray urchin
You need to complete their Favors, which they'll reveal in dialogue. Once a Favor comes up you should get a new Prophecy notification for it.
dusk dust
What does the locked hearts and timer hearts mean in the codex
stray urchin
Locked Hearts mean you need to complete that character's Favor to progress in the relationship any farther. Timer Hearts mean that content hasn't been released yet.
dusk dust
What's a favor
stray urchin
A personal Quest, essentially. After reaching max affinity per-Locked Heart they'll eventually talk about a problem of theirs and Zagreus will offer to help, unlocking a new Prophecy when it opens.
dusk dust
How do you get new shield aspect? I have all other shields and talked to chaos a lot
stray urchin
That information is in a pinned message in #h1-story-discussion
vague lava
So if I wanna unlock all of this, I should just farm Heat 0 then? and just buy it at the end? ||https://imgur.com/a/6KMqJvi||
ornate remnant
That's one way to do it
vague lava
inefficient?
and I can't find anywhere where someone has listed out the heats that they think are Easy->Hard
ornate remnant
That's no longer something for this channel xD
vague lava
discussion then?
ornate remnant
But I can give some suggestions in #h1-builds-and-combat
vague lava
oh ok thanks
smoky patrol
Is there a way in game to see the boons you have short of memorizing all the icons?
pulsar frigate
tab brings up boons, and you can mouse over them
well, i think tab brings up boons? i might have remapped it
pulsar frigate
yeah i remapped it, sorry about that!
smoky patrol
no worries, I should have looked in controls first
vague lava
Dread flight back for chaos aspect correct?
rocky sigil
@vague lava There are much better rewards to have by increasing the heat. You'll get the gems and stuff over time, it's the titan blood and ambrosia that are the real late game rewards in the game
vague lava
titan blood only unlocks the aspects correct?
If so I kinda just wanna stick with my shield lol
@rocky sigil
pulsar frigate
unlocks and upgrades, yes
pulsar frigate
for the aspects
vague lava
I only want Chaos then c:
dread flight bad for chaos shield right?
titan blood can be traded for stuff right?
bold breach
titan blood can be traded at the broker in the lounge, but only for his special deals
titan blood is the final resource in the trade chain, where you trade 2 diamonds for 1 blood
rocky sigil
If you're only using a shield, you're missing out on a lot of the fun of the game, but yeah you wouldn't need THAT many blood to fully upgrade your shield
hallow wind
anyone got any tips for the rail? the damage feels awful, like i have no killing power. i also HATE how it doesn't stun or interrupt attacks. unless i'm missing something, it feels like there is no reason to use it over the bow when it comes to a ranged build
vocal nymph
Cry
storm tundra
special is your big chunky dps
late mango
my tips for you are think of weapons as being better with onhit or % damage
on hit: zeus, dio, ares
percent: poseideon, aphro, athena . . .
storm tundra
take aphrodite, demeter, poseidon even for the raw damage, artemis crit...
late mango
rail autos are good with on hit, rail special is good with % bonuses
storm tundra
rail attack is better on-hit.
rail special is better with percentage.
ares needs a second boon (dire misfortune) to be worth attacking with it, though
out of the box? zeus and dio just work(tm) with attack
hallow wind
ah okay. i feel like i am really bad at aiming the special personally. always feels like it doesn't go in the direction it should. is there a trick to aiming it?
late mango
if you go for dio i would suggest pairing it with aphrodite special/dash so you can pick up a duo boon
storm tundra
here's a basic build to work toward:
-dionysus attack
-aphrodite special
-low tolerance duo boon
-spread fire hammer
-anything you like for dash, but athena is good for defense
late mango
using a controller i just flick towards the direction i want to aim after holding special
late mango
yeah I use aim assist
hallow wind
thanks for all the tips you guys!
leaden whale
How to refill the god gauge?
vocal nymph
hitting enemies or being hit!
leaden whale
why it doesn't say anything about that in game?
copper yacht
I mean, the dealing damage part is pretty obvious, take damage, a bit less, but you could see those informations in-game sooner or later thanks to the call related boons
dense laurel
what does god mode do again?
uneven slate
You receive a cumulative damage reduction for dying. Starts very small. I think 2% per death.
pulsar frigate
caps at 80%
plucky hound
what am I suppose to do for Release X while flashing to power shot?
versed turtle
Are Call and Aspects tutorials available anywhere in the game? I'm not a new player but i haven't played much and i feel like i never got in detail how the Call works, and Aspects are completely new to me.
uneven slate
what am I suppose to do for Release X while flashing to power shot?
@plucky hound There is a visual indicator (flash of light) for the optimal moment to release a bow attack (some other weapons can receive a power shot through upgrades). If you manage to release the attack button at the right time, you deal bonus damage.
Takes some practice, but Skelly is there for you.
plucky hound
Nice got it after 3 try.
ornate remnant
Nice!
ember citrus
My favofite weapon is tthe rail
That why i like this game
Different people have wildly different favorite build
ember citrus
Also is it odd that my favorite god boon is Athena haha
Always do well with deflect
versed turtle
I really struggle without deflect so it's my go-to as well.
austere aurora
yeah it's definitely the strongest single boon effect
obsidian locust
Ah yes
The deflect additction
You would do well to get rid of it as soon as possible
obsidian locust
It puts you in a sort of tunnel vision where you always rely on deflect
I mean on certain builds its super dope
But do well to not rely on it
uneven slate
Athena dash especially teaches you behaviour that just doesn't work if you don't have it. "A cloud of projectiles! I need to jump into it head-first"
obsidian locust
True
ember citrus
I struggle so hard in the new witch room without deflect
obsidian locust
I SWEAR
THAT IS HELL
I just destroy all projectiles while slowly going towards them
uneven slate
It is quite literally bullet hell.
ember citrus
I was like... i didnt sign up for a bullet hell game, didnt I?
stark silo
fortunately i had athena dash when i fought them
but wtf guys
thorn osprey
Do you guys recommend any Youtubers or Streamers to watch if I want to improve at the game?
leaden whale
So how do I play the new content? Keep playing and hope it happens?
I've played 20 hours already before the latest patch.
wicked yacht
is using multi charge cast better than using recharging cast?
obsidian locust
Completely dependent on what your build is
Some weapons can stack casts so using a multi charge cast is better with those, otherwise its generally a good idea to use recharging cast if you aren't heavily reliant on your cast
cloud adder
only had the game for two days now but i think i'm doing pretty well (just beat the third boss... screamed in delight), getting used to trying different builds but i'm still pretty reliant on the shield
rocky sigil
The only thing you're giving up is a 20 percent darkness bonus to not be flexible with weapons, but it's better to learn one weapon first if you wanna get to the final boss asap
plucky hound
I love backstabing Skelly, he seems to be singing a song
uneven slate
"The pain is indescribable!"
plucky hound
all is done to know his contractor
should I give gift to anybody I like or is there different gift for each characters?
uneven slate
For starters, give one nectar to everyone, and you will get a keepsake (except from dad).
If nectar is still scarce for you, check on the wiki or somesuch to find out which keepsakes could be worthwhile.
In my opinion, those would be Skelly, Cerberus, Morpheus and the Olympians (minus Hermes). But you will get all sooner or later, so don't fret too much.
lyric forge
Hypnos is also a good one to get early imo.
uneven slate
I meant Hypnos, but wrote Morpheus instead...
lyric forge
I read that as Orphy, even though I'm kinda blanking on which one is his...
Charon is also super worthwhile.
uneven slate
Right, I should have mentioned Charon!
Orpheus has the Distant Memory, which is a bit unreliable.
turbid anvil
uneven slate
This is for new players, so either use spoiler tags or head over to #h1-builds-and-combat
ivory ocean
#h1-builds-and-combat would be the best place for that question
muted orbit
new player (obviously) k+m or controller for this game?
ivory ocean
i preferred controller, but kbm still works well
muted orbit
thinking controller for sure. just used to diablo with the k+m but this game feels like a controller one 🙂
normal flax
I got used to playing isometrics with KB+M and I prefer it for aiming purposes - though dashes/movement can feel a fair bit worse IMO. With weapons that don't require much precision controller's probably great (thinking the sword for example)
lyric forge
Never used a controller for this, KB/M works fine. From various streams I've seen the controller auto aim seems to be a lot more aggressive though.
muted orbit
cheers @ember citrus i tried a little of the bow with the controller (in my first 20 minutes of repeatedly dying) and feel ok with it - maybe cos i play Enter the Gungeon with controller and it feels right
compact belfry
on the discussion on Athena dash, I personally consider it to be the most powerful defensive boon in the entire game, and since taking Athena in anything leaves you open for Athena's defensive duo options down the road, I constantly take Athena rooms regardless of my run just to get her dash.
in most cases Athena's dash is simply such an insane benefit to a run that I encourage actively looking to grab it as many times as you can. You won't be able to guarantee it, but it simply offers so much more than any other dash can.
As it opens you up for potentially:
- Merciful End (Ares duo, one of the strongest damage dealing combos in the game)
- Unshakeable Mettle (Stun immunity, and auto damage reduction from bosses, which really helps in the latter half of the game where bosses do tons of damage. Stun immunity is also nice to avoid annoying instances where you get combo'd for tons of damage)
- Calculated Risk (slow down projectiles, this is effectively just giving Satyrs a peashooter instead of a minigun, but I'd take it for that alone.)
- Deadly Reversal (which is really easy to trigger with the Dash, its basically constant 20% crit chance.)
- Stubborn Roots (which is alright, but amazing if you use Stubborn Defiance. You can use this one to re-heal your entire health bar with Stubborn Defiance in every room.)
and on the Rail, (especially Eris aspect, but also the new L aspect) Zeus Primary Attack and Artemis' Support Fire tend to be my favorites. The only downside is the screen clutter. You attack so fast that those two boons do amazing damage.
ember citrus
that Carpet bombing rail is effective
but you are right, the screen is clutter with that
compact belfry
Sea Storm on the Rail primary is also very good, the issue is until you get it, its kind of a nerf to the rail
as the poseidon knockback effects will constantly be knocking enemies out of your range
in general my consensus on the Rail: "if you're not playing Hestia, or if you're not using Spread Fire atm, you want something that can be best utilized with rapid attacks on the primary. On the special, just go for big big damage. All the Hammers play into it well."
If you're playing Hestia, or currently have Spread Fire, imo you want a primary boon that increases your attack multiplier by as much as you can get (so Aphrodite, Artemis with the crit, Demeter/Poseidon/Athena are solid backups, less overall total, but good synergies) because the amount of base damage you start with is insane on both Hestia and Spread Fire. I also recommend Hunter's Dash, as that flat modifier kicks in and helps you do even more base damage (and its easy to dash attack on the rail)
late mango
@versed turtle I’m not sure where call and aspect tutorials would be but I can answer anything you want to know
wild cloud
Can confirm, Poseidon and Artemis on the Hestia Rail do some nutty things. Poseidon’s knockback acts as either extra damage from slamming an enemy into a wall, a pseudo-stun, or both, which is great. With a few outside damage boosts, you can also get Artemis Hestia shots to do upwards of 1k on crits, which is crazy too lol
late mango
You should try aphrodite with hestia rail she has some of the highest % damage in the game
plucky hound
What is this animation after using spear's normal hold attack?
marsh ether
The spear has a charge attack. While charging Zag holds the spear above his head. If you release the charge after he flashes, he will perform a spin attack.
There are two levels of charge, and you can release the charge by dashing.
plucky hound
ik what i mean is the animation when it withdraw after the attack
marsh ether
Well the spin attack is much longer than the spear, I think the tip extends and needs to get back into position. Although you can cancel the second part if the animation
plucky hound
yeah this, so tip extend to perform more wider attack and then shrink back to its og form
or not really cuz i think it only shrink when you perform charge attack, it never extends.
k does anyone knows better use of range attack, I'm really bad at using it.
I can increase its range but thats all ik
cursive vigil
There are many Daedalus Hammer upgrades + boon combinations you could make for its Special. For example, Chain Skewer will make it bounce to different enemies and Exploding Launcher will make it deal area damage.
By itself, it isn't really noteworthy.
plucky hound
Mirror of the Night hides upgrades and we have to switch to different one, why didn't I knew this. I mean why didn't the game told me about this.
marsh ether
It's something you unlock early on and some have complained that it's not too visible, but there should have been a conversation with Nyx about it and an animation when it happened
plucky hound
I thought Nyx allowed you to unlock more upgrades by giving more keys not this switch thing
I'm not complaining even more so I like surprises like this
plucky hound
WHAT
something very strange happened
and now the game crashed
Why is there 250 gemstones for trade for free?
stray urchin
I believe that Wretched Broker deal costs 1 Titan Blood
vagrant thorn
Demeters manicure, you mean
balmy mica
Do you mean Grandma's Mittens
ornate remnant
Nice!
plucky hound
and it comes with ||dark thirst|| should i move to different channel?
ornate remnant
Nope, that's not a spoiler imo. That'll keep showing up on random weapons
plucky hound
k
molten narwhal
Is there a way to tell how many uses of companion you have left whilst in a run? I thought there used to be a counter next to the icon
faint umbra
there should be a counter on it, if its not there perhaps its out of charges?
molten narwhal
I don't believe I have but may be just misremembering. I'll try use it soon and report back.
Yes, summon unavailable. I guess I used it more times than I thought 
leaden whale
Quick question about the fated prophecy “gift of song” do you progress by practicing after each run or by playing it a certain number of times?
balmy mica
play it a certain number of times
stray urchin
Just play it like 8ish times before you head out on a run. You'll get there eventually.
subtle crest
Is the hammer upgrade for the excalibur that makes your dash strike hit twice kinda clunky
I wasnt able to do it consistently
stray urchin
I just ran a run with that, and I think it works as intended but the animation doesn't change.
subtle crest
Hmmm
wispy garnet
Hi! 🙂
quick question, what controller do you use for Windows and MacOS? I need one that works for both
keen torrent
@wispy garnet I use a basic xbox 360 controller with bluetooth adapter I grabbed from walmart
It has lasted a few years and served me well across multiple games!
Not sure if it will work with mac though, my bad. Not sure what games you are trying to play on mac though?
wispy garnet
thanks for the answer! I'm just preparing the scenario for a MacOS supported Hades version since my mac is better than my windows laptop
subtle crest
Do i need to spend 5 titan blood in total for the 4th aspect to trigger? Or 1 aspect with 5 blood invested? For the bow
ornate remnant
Total
compact belfry
5 in the weapon, doesnt matter where
subtle crest
Thanks
compact belfry
You also need ||to have the spear 4th aspect before you can find any other 4th aspect||
subtle crest
I have it, ty
oblique rover
@wispy garnet i'm using my ps4 controller, plug it in via usb and works perfectly.
wispy garnet
also for Mac, @oblique rover ?
oblique rover
@wispy garnet ah sorry not using for windows, should work for Mac as well.
wispy garnet
thank you 🙂
subtle crest
How do I fight the secret boss again? I never get the option
ornate remnant
RNG to get the trigger for it
|| it's a sack that appears in the mid-biome shops, sometimes ||
plucky hound
How does reset of the talents work, is it free as in freedom
storm tundra
one key
lusty plume
Just downloaded and played for a few hours, this is the one chief. this game is nice
Hello All
keen torrent
@lusty plume hello!
Yeah this game is fantastic, Supergiant knocking it out of the park again
plucky hound
I love it too, never played rogue like this great
I hated dying in deadcells but i look forward to it here
plucky hound
SO what makes someone get featured in the frame in lounge
uneven slate
It's random.
late mango
@molten narwhal at any given point in your run the counter for your companion is below the icon of your companion with a number
midnight ocean
how
late mango
it's just part of the ui to the top left
when opening the menu to look at boons your can look at your companion more closely
leaden whale
Any tips for bone hydra?
Just recently got the game and while I can beat it, it usually does a lot of damage and takes a life
vivid crane
Recognizing the patterns/abilities of each head color is important because they all have different attacks. Otherwise I like to watch for the first flash in the lava every phase, because it tells you where the first lesser head will pop up. Usually (unless another one pops up and it’s really annoying) I focus that first one so I have some room to work with where I’m less likely to get hit for the rest of the phase.
late mango
After you finish a the 1st/2nd/3rd phase I'd suggest going to the bottom of the map and looking for the lesser hydra heads and when you see a indicator for one spawning prepare to dash in there with a burst attack to try to kill it as fast as possible
on the third phase when there are several hydra heads if you kill the hydra at the way bottom at the left & the one at the right you have a safe zone if you stay near the back
main hydra can only hit with projectiles lesser hydras can't reach with melee either
in general use pillars to avoid projectiles
the easiest way to beat hydra is to use burst focused builds
untold goblet
I have not yet cleared a heat with any weapon yet, but I have a question. If I skip a heat, say jump from no heat to 5 heat, will I get the boss rewards from heat level 1-4? So getting 5 titan blood in one go for example.
pastel cipher
no, you'll get the rewards from the highest incomplete bounty (up to 20)
untold goblet
I think I see. So basically if I did a five heat run five times in a row and killed the furies each time, I would get one blood every time until the sixth run where I would just get darkness as usual.
pastel cipher
not exactly, you need to fully complete the run
untold goblet
Complete as in win, or just go until I die? I'm not talking about just speed farming a bunch of blood, I just used that example for simplicity's sake
pastel cipher
yeah as in win
untold goblet
oof, I gotta get good then
pastel cipher
you'll get there, I believes ^_^
#h1-builds-and-combat is a good place to ask for build advice
pine hazel
You could probably just stack on the single point bits that you feel you can tolerate. Until those get capped out at least.
Could the damage prevention condition be kinda nullified by using any of Dionysus's hangover boons and Peer Pressure (spreading hangover basically)?
I forget what the condition is actually called, I just remember it being a blue heart.
pastel cipher
Damage control iirc
untold goblet
Any Dot basically makes that condition irrelevant imo.
pastel cipher
for heavy hitting weapons/aspects like ||arthur aspect|| I wouldn't use it, but for something like Malphon the condition is much more manageable
pastel cipher
but ayy, the ||Pact of Punishment|| is versatile for that reason ^_^
pine hazel
thinking about it there is Poseidon's dot as well
but that requires getting a knockback boon of his first
Thanks for the info (kinda?), now I know what I can stack on heavy for farming up some titan blood. Need more of the stuff for the ||Lucifer|| aspect on my favorite weapon.
small nexus
I'm trying to pick between between the nectar, gem, and the key upgrades (the ones that give you stuff like boon levels and coin), which 2 of the three should I go with?
pine hazel
You mean the ones that give you a boon level for nectar, coin for picking up gems, and fated authority/persuasion for keys?
Key and Nectar are the two I'd go for. In fact I did go for them, and still haven't bothered grabbing the gem one since I rarely have money issues in runs.
celest meadow
im sure this has been asked before but man do i suck at the bow does anyone have any tips besides just keep playing haha
gilded olive
your special is more powerful the closer it is to the enemy (because more arrows hit the enemy)
gilded olive
it sounds patronising but use ur dash and keep running for mirror upgrades
also it's okay to turn on god mode
celest meadow
i appreciate the tip with mirror upgrades but i wanna beat the game at least once before using god mode
im loving the hell out if it tho (pun intended)
so it better to keep upgrading 1 skill than having multiple?
gilded olive
are you talking about boons? or mirror skills?
celest meadow
boons
gilded olive
i mean, if you want my personal experience with boons, it's good to try and get status effects on attack or dash, then deflect with special? there are some youtube videos on boons and how to balance acquisition with upgrading
celest meadow
i see, thanks!
gilded olive
it's from feb so probably 2 patches ago, but it's still fairly good standard tips
celest meadow
ok thats good! thanks for the info 
cloud adder
does the wretched contractor get the exclamation mark for new content or for when you can actually afford to buy something? it keeps popping up for me but I can't see anything new
ornate remnant
I think a bit of both
subtle crest
So im doing heat 2 rewards, I assume I will have to go heat 3 after clearing it. What happens with the bounties if I jump to heat 10?
Will I need to do heat 10+ after that? Or do I get bounties for heat 3 and so on
lyric forge
I'll assume you're not playing hell mode.
In general you will always get the bounties completed for the highest uncompleted level there is.
So if you have done 2 heat before and jump to 10, you'll get the rewards for heat 3. If you stay at 10 and make another run afterwards you get the rewards for heat 4.
pulsar frigate
you have to win a run for each level of heat bounties are available for
lyric forge
Only exception to that rule is heat 0, as you will need to explicitly run no heat to gain those bounties.
magic hatch
Hello! I am a new player to the game, and I must say...
SHIELD AEGIS is my friend 😍
I am quite confused about the heat. Is there any a good guide I can learn from the game?
sly vigil
Hey there
There is currently no guide, or even a consensus on heat settings
Many people will disagree on different things, but all in all you can get some advice there. The game is new so no "meta" is yet to be set in stone.
dusty cipher
Jeff Dunham will be glad to hear that.
Although that arrangement may not be comfortable for you.
sly vigil
If you want specific weapons advice , let us know. We should treat this as a case by case basis :D
dusty cipher
Yeah, some people are weapon specialists. :p
ornate remnant
o7
magic hatch
I am more into defensive-but-dangerous peep, and that weapon just answers to my needs! And that close combat and the dash...
It just so statstifying! 😍
subtle crest
Ty for the answer @lyric forge
Btw another question, to unlock companion shady, do I just need to keep finding sysiphus? I've triggered thanatos and Meg dialogue in his chamber like 3 times already and still no sentence in the contractor
magic hatch
There is currently no guide, or even a consensus on heat settings
@sly vigil I'll look for it tomorrow, but could you explain to me on short what it is? And do I unlock it at chambers outside of tatarus?
subtle crest
@magic hatch when you clear the bosses you notice how they give titan blood, diamonds, and more. Once you get them, you start receiving darkness from those same bosses in the next runs, which is another resource. Once you have beaten the game, you can use Heat to enable you getting titan blood and diamonds again
Heat basically makes the game harder, theres many options you can choose on how hard you want
And you unlock after beating the game
small nexus
As soon as I get a darkness bonus on Stygius I am going with Arthur. What aspects should I focus on pumping blood into first? And is it worth trading ambrosia for blood early on
But if you like combo’ing your special with your normal attack I highly recommend our lord and savior Nemesis Aspect.
glass shale
I feel like Ambrosia is more for story unlocks and blood is more for gameplay, so I think it depends on what you care about pushing forward faster.
Personally I would say it's worth putting a little ambrosia toward the romance track you're interested in but if you don't value the story I would say go ahead and trade for blood to upgrade your weapons
haughty idol
how to know which weapon still not beat 1st/2nd/3rd/4st boss ? (bounty for titan blood, diamond and ambrosia)
stray urchin
Bring each weapon to the Pact, and it'll tell you which bounties you still need with a ? mark above each biome name.
haughty idol
cant find it anywhere, I have to defeat final boss at least once ?
pastel cipher
Yes
haughty idol
ah ok, thanks
stuck token
does anyone know who are the best characters to give nectar to? ;7;
sly vigil
in term of gameplay I assume?
just give at least one to everyone
they always give something in return for the the first nectar.
leaden whale
Is the point of giving more than 1 nectar to someone just for story?
stray urchin
Yes, although some characters can give you something more once you hit 7 Hearts with them.
leaden whale
Alright thanks
magic hatch
And you unlock after beating the game
@subtle crest ooooh cool!!!! I should try that!
fickle ivy
pastel dirge
Support Fire from artemis is a good way to really chip away at enemies
kindred grotto
should I use any of the green talents over purple ones?
celest pebble
how do i unlock guan yu?
cursive vigil
@celest pebble check the pin in #h1-story-discussion
@kindred grotto I recommend Dark Regeneration 
pulsar frigate
i recommend ruthless and stygian soul
cursive vigil
@fickle ivy Try Lightning Strike + Support Fire or Deadly Strike + Spread Fire
Splitting Bolt if you can get your hands on it too.
kindred grotto
also what's the tell in the final boss fight for ||when hades swings his spear, how do you tell if he will stand in place or step forward||
cursive vigil
||My tip is to always assume he will step forward.||
vocal nymph
just get out of the way, yeah
small nexus
To confirm, to unlock the fourth spear aspect you need to unlock 5 aspects and then beat hades? There’s an entry into the wiki that mentions 27 or so nectar gifts are needed as well. Can anyone confirm if this is true?
cursive vigil
@small nexus check the pin in #h1-story-discussion
stray urchin
Doomstone is up on wiki
sly vigil
nice!
small nexus
I know that. I’m just wondering if i have bad luck or the pin is wrong, or if the wiki is wrong. I have unlocked every single aspect and have gotten 15 full clears but no mention of the spear aspect
sly vigil
also did someone remove the room reward formula in the wiki?
cursive vigil
@stray urchin You are a credit to the team!
sly vigil
I couldn't find it
stray urchin
i don't think i've ever seen that Fox
cursive vigil
@small nexus I have trustworthy sources 👍
stray urchin
TelosRyu it takes time. I'm like 30 runs into Blood Price right now and I've had the pre-reqs for each of the new Aspects since pre-Update. I only just got ||Zeus|| to tell me about the new Rail.
cursive vigil
So no, you don't need to gift 27 Nectars to unlock it. Just keep ||talking to Achilles.||
small nexus
It’s just a bit annoying that I have to spend 30 minutes for a full clear to have another chance for the dialogue to happen. Meh. Oh well. I guess I can grind out the bounties at least. My old account has 80 attempts on it
I’ve already put god mode on to ease the grind a bit so I don’t get burnt out
cursive vigil
Unlocking || Guan Yu|| after 15 escape attempts is very soon. You will need to progress more into the story.
small nexus
I’m just a bit worried about the pacing tbh. But then again. I might be an anomaly since I already beat it on another profile. It took me 30 attempts to do a full clear there which I feel is sort of intentional
haughty idol
hi, after defeat final boss, in victory screen if I press select the boon is selected and theres some kind of mark in boon image, what's that for ?
stray urchin
Hi, we consider the identity of the Final Boss to be a spoiler so please spoiler tag your comment when talking about them outside of #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat. When you mark a boon in the victory screen it opens up its description so it can be easily read when you share victory screenshots in #h1-victory-boasting
haughty idol
Sorry my bad, and also thanks for the answer 🙂
compact belfry
any way to actually make the Adamant Rail decent?
I'm still of the opinion that the Rail is the 2nd best weapon in the game, right behind the Shield. Its potential damage output is insane if you know how to build it, and if you're a decent shot.
Unless you're playing with the Hestia aspect, you want to focus on benefits that are the most effective the faster you attack. Things like Zeus Attack, Support Fire (Artemis), Demeter Attack, Dire Misfortune (Ares), Sea Storm (Zeus + Poseidon) are what I've generally
found the most effective. For your special, just grab something that does tons of damage (Artemis Special and Aphrodite Special are my favorites)
If you're playing specifically with the Hestia aspect, imo you want to go for as big of damage on your primary weapon as possible. So Artemis for crits, or Aphrodite for the highest damage modifier increase in the game. Additionally, you'll likely want Artemis' Hunter Dash, as it increases the base damage of your attack by 50% if you're dashing (which 50% of Hestia's empowered shot is a lot). Chaos effects that increase your attack and dash attack are also good on Hestia.
My personal favorite Hammers are things that help me keep enemies away from me, or things that further increase my damage output. So Triple Bomb, Rocket Bomb, Cluster Bomb, Explosive Fire, Seeking Fire, Spread Fire, and Flurry Fire, I find all very useful. Imo if you're new to the rail, I recommend avoiding Hazard Bomb and Piercing Fire. The first because it can really mess up your runs if you're not used to the Rail Special, and the other because I typically find it the least useful of the hammer modifiers.
another thing to note is on Spread Fire, its paradoxical to your traditional rail setup. It works better with boons that scale for big damage (like Hestia does) rather than fast attackers. So if you get it early, its worth changing your strategy, or if you get it late, it could be worth trying to exchange your attack type.
Hope that helps! Happy rail-ing 😄
obsidian locust
I love it when people just go all out about their favourite builds 
small nexus
Hestia vs Other rails is basically a pick your poison type scenario.
Do you want rapid fire mayhem or feel like you delete things with one shot?
If you do play Hestia... or maybe rail in general it is VERY worth your time to change the reload key to come thing you can press easily.
obsidian locust
"R" seems pretty convenient by itself don't you think?
small nexus
Once I mapped it to a side mouse button Hestia aspect felt a LOT smoother
lyric forge
"R" is conveniently located but means that you have to take your finger off a movement button.
obsidian locust
I usually put cast on mouse 5, it seems much more easier than q, and i'm pretty sure everyone uses right click for special
lyric forge
I've tried rebinding the reload to somewhere else but thus far muscle memory has not been kind to me so I had to put it back for the time being.
obsidian locust
Fair enough
lyric forge
I've still got cast on right click, special is a side mouse button.
Might wanna swap that at some point though.
stray urchin
Special M4 and Call M5 has been really good for me.
lyric forge
Swapping key binds after > 100 hours deep into the game is gonna be funky at first.
I got a Logitech G600, the special is somewhere in the middle on that thumb pad.
small nexus
I keep my special on Q personally. I messed around with the call and summon buttons so I don’t accidentally press it at the wrong time
lyric forge
Special on Q was untenable, truth be told, once I started to run Guan Yu I learned to hate it.
stray urchin
Any Special-focused build suffers from Q.
small nexus
I’ve been using Nemesis aspect just fine
leaden whale
I've used all the weapons and the sword feels really underwhelming. what are some strengths of it?
leaden whale
uhh, not for that one no
the base sword feels super underwhelming compared to all other base weapons
and i wanna learn to use it better
latent berry
Well its potential is fully unlocked when you have aspects unlocked. One of the greatest strengths of the sword is its capacity for variety and versatility.
leaden whale
oh, cool!
latent berry
You could have the standard aspect of Zagreus for bonus speed and dash distance, if you're more eager for an all-rounded build.
You could try to focus on casts and take the Aspect of Poseidon, which not only boosts all cast damage by a fixed percentage (+50% at max), but also dislodges casts with Special. So you could, for instance, decide to run Infernal Soul for the 3 total casts and dislodge, or stick to Stygius; same thing with the choice for Boiling or Abyssal Blood.
Then we get to Nemesis; this aspect is brilliant for those who like burst damage. It pairs beautifully with Artemis, but you can make it work with others too. The 3-second window for crits after special may seem a little constrictive at first, but it's plenty generous!
Finally... Do you know what the 4th aspect is? I won't dive into that if you haven't, for spoilers' sake.
leaden whale
ill check them all out. thank u fren
latent berry
No worries!
There's more that can be said about the sword and its effectiveness, but I guess you're off to explore that yourself :D
leaden whale
i would think its used kind of the same as shield
with the shield i was mostly doing dash attacks and going for.. i forget the boon that grants attack deflection
leaden whale
yeah! i mostly find myself focusing on dash attacks with any weapon
latent berry
Although you will soon find that the sword allows you to play in other ways just fine too.
Dash-Attacks might just be your playstyle then! And you'll be pleased to know Stygian Blade has a Daedalus boon that allows its dash-attack to strike twice and deal increased damage.
latent berry
No worries!
radiant geode
Sword is also the best weapon for meme runs, I've found
You want to achieve speeds that you should never be reasonably going? Sword's got you covered
It was even funnier back when Zagreus used to kinda T-pose when you did the special attack
prisma moat
T POSE TO ASSERT DOMINANCE meme but its zag t posing on megaera
leaden whale
the other day my boyfriend told me me theres 3 characters you can simultaneously flirt with and they wont get mad and I forget who they are (he's sleeping rn) which ones are they?
stray urchin
||Megaera, Dusa, and Thanatos.||
leaden whale
thanks fren
solemn chasm
do you have to go through a run to unlock new dialogues?
stray urchin
All NPCs in the House will only have one conversation with you after each run, yes. Gifting Nectar allows you another conversation, but these are set.
solemn chasm
ahh thank you
solemn chasm
can heat be reduced after adding it? i heard somewhere that you can't reduce heat
solemn chasm
ah i see thanks
quasi aurora
Hell mode also disabled the need to play on constantly escalating heat
So Feel to experiment with what works
quasi aurora
That’s what I said?
solemn chasm
what does hell mode do? or is hell mode just the pact of punishment?
pastel cipher
ahhh, I can read, 
solemn chasm
ohh
quasi aurora
Well, condition
Personal liability
Which is the shield thing
Old ones become mandatory
And you start with the pact
And you can’t use god mode
solemn chasm
i see
stuck token
how do you give your weapons aspects and upgrades? I unlocked all of them available for unlocking
dusk forge
@stuck token Each weapon has a number of "Aspects" that can be unlocked using Titan Blood. These Aspects become available once all weapons are unlocked and the player has collected at least one Titan Blood.
From the gamepedia
heady surge
Hi! So I started to play yesterday and after playing for two hours I have some questions
Are the boons completely random? Whenever you start a run, are the boons that appear and respective order random? I ask this because I saw people talking about builds, and it confused me
It seems random but at the same time how do you build? Expect the right ones to appear?
noble patio
One you get further you can gift nectar to gods to give you an trinket that give you guaranteed one appearance
And it seems like there is some bias towards gods you've already met
leaden whale
||For the aspect thing, I didn't beat hades and I got to use my titans blood once I got all the weapons||
leaden whale
My bad sorry
radiant geode
Thanks
No worries
You're hardly the first person to make that mistake
Speaking of which
@solemn chasm the final boss is a spoiler, mate
median totem
I'm struggling a bit with charging attacks in Elysium (The chariots and Minotaur) how do I handle those attacks?
tribal flicker
I often try to grab some movement speed buffs/extra dashes before the 3rd zone. As far as dodging the attacks, trying to dash through obstacles to trap the enemies usually works
median totem
Oh yeah, you can dash through obstacles. I avoid them usually because I end up getting stuck on those little hitbox corners. Gotta work on that now.
I know it's different for everyone, but is going past Elysium miniboss good progress at 20 runs?
tribal flicker
I mean you said it yourself, it's different for everyone. I'd say it's good progress, it took me around 25 runs to beat the game after getting stuck at the final boss for 10-15 runs
late mango
probably, I was still struggling with second boss at 27 runs but at that time that was considered "end game"
median totem
It's a roguelite after all and I think the room and boon rng do affect the game a bit more initially.
late mango
Also the best way to deal with extra chariots & minotaur in my experience is priotizing hermes
Getting a flat movespeed buff, high movespeed bonus after dashing, or extra dashes give you an easier time staying out of their range
Also you can try to stay closer to walls to trick them to run into them
median totem
Will do that from the next time, thanks for the tips.
tribal flicker
A good way to dodge the Minotaur's charge is hugging the walls and dashing through him
rose abyss
if i have my special set for one god, does it reduce the chance of another gods special boon being offered?
to swap it *
stoic zephyr
what do you mean by special set or special boon? duo boon, legendary boon, god keepsake charge?
rose abyss
yeah sorry, special boon,
I have artermis crit boon on my special, but i've been trying to get dionysus hangover special boon
never seems to show up, even after some fated persuasions
gritty hedge
I've made it to the boss of Elysium several times at 18 runs but get destroyed by them. Thanks for the tips on Minotaur and focusing speed buffs!
Also, how 'random' are the boss encounters/difficulties? Fighting Hydra and he surprises me with random stronger attacks/purple wave attacks
stoic zephyr
ah, right @rose abyss, getting an offer to replace your special boon with another god's is pretty much random chance
it's certainly a lower chance than if your special was empty and still didn't have a boon attached
gritty hedge
I suppose it's like the random chance of furies
stoic zephyr
@gritty hedge hydra and the furies both have some random factors with what the heads will specialize in and which fury will fight you respectively, yeah
there is also a slight random factor to the final boss as well
tribal flicker
What random factor is there to the final boss? Spoiler tag if you have to
stoic zephyr
@tribal flicker regarding the final boss: ||the enemies he can summon during phase 1 are pretty much random. he can choose from a pretty large selection of "super elite" versions of enemies or even minibosses||
tribal flicker
Oh yeah right I forgot about that
uneven slate
The same is true for the champions fight: Theseus will call on a random Olympian that hasn't blessed you during the run. The boon selection is rigged so that there is always at least one left when you meet him.
Which in turn means that you can influence to some degree what you might be up against, because some gods are harder to go up against than others.
dense laurel
is there any downsides to god mode
stoic zephyr
nope! just a way to help those having trouble clearing or those who just want to focus on the narrative
lyric forge
Not really. I think it counts wins made with god mode active and without it seperately but otherwise it's just a little helper.
supple token
Are there any bonuses on playing on Hell Mode , or its just for getting harder content ?
stoic zephyr
just starting with a higher bar to clear, and getting access to a hell mode exclusive pact option in Personal Liability (disables the shield that appears on Zagreus after taking heavy damage)
worthy raven
is there any downsides to god mode
@dense laurel you are more likely to engage in risky plays which is fatal otherwise. god mode really encourages stubborn moves and the acclimation of the "normal" mode is much harder
quick flicker
should i trade a titan soul for 250 gemstones?
pulsar frigate
imo no
quick flicker
arent the perk good for a beginner?
pulsar frigate
have you unlocked the aspect system yet?
granite heath
when you swap character upgrades at the mirror, are all active or just the ones you swapped/upgraded to?
prime laurel
Just the one you swapped to. Whichever one is showing is the active one when you start the run
granite heath
thanks
granite heath
what weapons do people normally run? i think the shield is the best with fists maybe coming in next
dense laurel
@worthy raven i cant comprehend a single word
prime laurel
Especially for new players, all weapons are completely viable for winning, and same with the aspects. It only really starts to matter at very high heats, and even then there's really only weapon normality because people haven't figured out optimal builds for other weapons yet.
That being said, the shield and fist are favorites of mine. Zagreus fists is actually my current favorite weapon/aspect
But fans have loved Chaos shield too
Try them all and play what you like most!
quasi aurora
The new boons and aspects in blood price also changed what is popular
It’s all very fresh
prime laurel
^ Very true
cloud flax
I started playing this week and chose not to enable Hell Mode. If I want to do that later, do I have to start with a new save file?
quasi aurora
Yes
pulsar frigate
(you're not missing much)
rancid mason
You're not missing much it's actually just there to make the game harder
The only reason I did hell mode was because I lost my save data in a computer fry
So I had to start over
pine schooner
Anything that makes you feel like captain america is great re: shield
rancid mason
Shield is fun
vale stratus
Extra dialogue mostly
There ARE characters where giving multiple gifts can get you more though
Though it wont be for every gift
green shore
humm ok! thanks
round whale
I just|| beat Hades ||for the first time. Is there much more to the game after this? Or should I wait until the next update?
green shore
i already got achilles gift and cerberus
vale stratus
After the first time there'll be a thing at the courtyard window that can make subsequent runs different
But no, currently theres no 'real' ending so subsequent runs are just for fun and grinding out unlocks
round whale
Cool beans. I assume there's some kind of secret content, but I'm not sure whether to go look for it manually or just look up guides. Is it difficult to find stuff like that?
hard summit
How do i unlock more weapons?
I hear people talking about fists and some sort of railgun?
I dont have either :v
vale stratus
Weapons become available over time, and you'll need keys to unlock em. Just gotta keep playing for a bit
And I cant think of anything thats like... SECRET secret no
hard summit
Oh ironically, last time i played, i didnt go back into the weapon room and it seems the fists are there now.
late mango
there's plenty of extra content after beating the game so long as you have more characters to fill up on nectar & ambrosia you still have more new conversations to be had
rotund comet
Hey do you guys have any tips to beating Theseus and Minotaur? Like which one should I focus my damage or something like that?
I'm stuck there, when they both get below half health it gets real hard
rancid mason
You want to hard focus on one of them for sure. Don't try to spread the damage. I always try to kill the minotaur first since he's way more threatening than theseus and theseus is harder to hit (since he gets a load of i frames)
If you want to make the fight a bit easier, you can also attempt to find the mini boss chamber, which will be the minotaur. It's great practice, but also, if you beat him as a mini boss, the minotaur starts with only 75% max health in the boss fight.
Spreading damage is sketchy because it procs both their phase 2 patterns, which makes the fight REALLY hard.
subtle ginkgo
to add on, focusing the minotaur down is better for you because you’ll have to deal with phase 2 theseus with his call and a minotaur bearing on you
rancid mason
Right. Phase 2 theseus with aoe and the minotaur charging you is basically impossible to dodge
So just kill the bull first always and don't proc theseus' second phase
Until the bull is dead
The same applies (I would say even more so) in extreme measures.
subtle ginkgo
as well, if youre a new player, when focusing the minotaur it eliminates one threat from the equation which is theseus spin move. all you have to watch out for from theseus is the spear
rancid mason
Spin moves are jerks. I hate them.
hard summit
Is it always ideal to use the weapon with the +20% buff?
rancid mason
Sorry. What are you referring to specifically.
subtle ginkgo
yeah it is
more darkness and more gems(once upgraded) will help you upgrade and make runs easier
rancid mason
Oh. The darkness buff. I don't think it's always ideal since once you have enough darkness, you might want to just play the weapons you enjoy.
hard summit
Ooooh okay.
rancid mason
But if your mirror is relatively not maxed, I suggest going for it because it exposes you to the weapons more
Maybe you'll find you like one of them without expecting to.
hard summit
Yeah true.
rancid mason
I felt that way about the sword when I was previously exclusively a shield guy.
hard summit
am i misreading the poseidon + athena duo buff? Or is it really underwhelming?
pine schooner
Even while running at 6 to 10 heat depending on weapon, I am still choosing based off the darkness bonus to help keep me competent with each weapon and because the last mirror unlocks take stupid amounts of darkness and i want to get all the cosmetics
rancid mason
am i misreading the poseidon + athena duo buff? Or is it really underwhelming?
@hard summit it's not underwhelming but it's very specific. It basically makes most of the bosses easier.
rancid mason
That's not the part you're going for
hard summit
Oh?
pine schooner
The gems can unlock stuff for your room/the halls/cantina
rancid mason
It's the immunity to being stunned.
rancid mason
Spoilers.
hard summit
.-.
rancid mason
But also, getting stunned is something all enemies do.
When they hit you while you're in the middle of an animation, you get stunned briefly, cancelling your action and keeping you in place.
obsidian locust
It essentially just interrupts your animation for attack
There is a slight frame of imobility but nothing much
rancid mason
As far as I know, with that duo boon on, you can literally walk through an entire field of enemies wgtmtt stopping.
*without
You'd usually get interrupted when you're hit.
subtle ginkgo
although i dont think anyone would recommend that
obsidian locust
We usually call it flinching, its usually super apparant with super slow weapons
rancid mason
Right. Lol.
subtle ginkgo
its very noticable with trying to charge up spear in the middle of a melee
obsidian locust
Or charging up the bow, I think?
rancid mason
But yeah. The point is that it lets you get off your hits without fear of interruption. Note that the same applies to when you're doing ANY dash attack animation.
So if you're against certain enemies, they can wombo you out of your dash attacks.
Which is a pain.
subtle ginkgo
yep, its why when i play fist i crank my apm up
rancid mason
Also, lets not forget that some bosses literally have stun based combos that deal like 160 damage total.
subtle ginkgo
for dashing around and iframes
rancid mason
Looking at you final boss.
The new asphodel skeletons really ruin my day when they're on max forced overtime
subtle ginkgo
oh yeah their combo can get really obnoxious sometimes too
rotund comet
Finally beat Elysium, hard focused the minotaur and it worked, thanks!
rotund comet
I reached a point with Artemis where I can't give her any more nectar or ambrosia, there's a heart with a lock, how do I unlock it?
pulsar frigate
keep talking to her
rotund comet
just keep taking her boons?
pulsar frigate
her lock is really easy to open
well, you need to take her boons for a few more runs, because only the first boon of a god will give you a regular convo
rotund comet
I see, what if I equip her keepsake and keep on getting boons and giving up?
pulsar frigate
that'd work, you'd have to die repeatedly
rotund comet
there's an option on the pause menu to give up, that'd work as well?
pulsar frigate
nope, that option just resets you to when you entered the courtyard
rancid mason
No because I believe it just acts as if you never did the run to begin with
rotund comet
oh
pulsar frigate
the house doesn't refresh, and you'd get the same seed for the run
rotund comet
ok, I guess I'll die
rancid mason
LOL
gray haven
There's a perma save in the House of Hades and a temp save during your runs. If you Give Up, you'll load your perma save next time, which was before your run. If you Quit, you'll load your temp save from during the run next time.
solemn chasm
what does the administrative chamber give you?
pulsar frigate
you can see your pasts runs and what boons/keepsakes/weapon they were
also some statistics too, like how many times you've used x boon
important for some other quest stuff down the line as well
solemn chasm
ah
also how do i unlock the quest to get sisyphus's companion? already gave him all the nectars i can give
pulsar frigate
keep talking to him
solemn chasm
alright
round field
I think you need to talk to Bouldy too
slim cypress
Aspect of Nemesis: The bonus crit on the blade after using your special is not to be ignored. It has saved my runs on multiple occasions.
rotund comet
Just a curious question, does Artemis have a romantic relationship with Callisto?
Just so I know if I should give up on my ship...
stray urchin
Personally? I don't think so. Artemis is one of the Virgin Goddesses, which means no romantic/sexual relationships whatsoever.
rotund comet
Oh so its even worse than I expected
If they were a thing at least I could hope for a 3p or something xD
stray urchin
For context, Hestia, Athena, Artemis, and Hecate are the four Virgin Goddesses of Greek myth.
rotund comet
oohh
got it thanks
Im trying to get Artemis' favor right now, she just talks about Callisto non stop
stray urchin
Artemis especially is noteworthy because of her mortal Huntresses, who took on similar oaths of "chastity" and lived in the wilderness.
I mean, if you had a Bestie that's way better than your Family, you would too.
rotund comet
sad that my boy zagreus cant get the huntress
I mean, if you had a Bestie that's way better than your Family, you would too.
makes sense
pine schooner
Just gals being pals
rotund comet
fair enough
pine schooner
and at least from a general myth setup, her virginity is more so an anti-birth thing because of the trauma of assisting in her mother's birth of Apollo, and with her considerations of Orion, give a lot of credence to her not being inherently ace
stray urchin
I mean, Demiromantic Asexual is a thing.
sly vigil
Demiromantic meams you need close connections prior to romantic feeling, right?
stray urchin
Yessim
sly vigil
Yay I still remember some trainings from college
stray urchin
And Artemis and Orion spent a good amount of time together as hunting partners before she caught feelings
Real glad they taught you that in college. Need all the representation we can get frankly.
sly vigil
Yeah, I do my best to learn.
pine schooner
Artemis definitely seems pretty demi at a minimum
stark silo
i heard somewhere verginity in ancient greece only mattered when a woman did things with a man but i don't know if i can trust that information
pine schooner
That's historically been the case, but I'm not 100% on ancient Greece, but also, ancient Greek writings just ignored women outside of their relation/use for men for the most part
stray urchin
I've heard the same, but most depictions enforce that the virgin goddesses steered away from sexual relations of any kind. Too busy doing their portfolio-related jobs to even care about cultivating such things.
stark silo
oh well asexual it is 😗
either way i'm trying guan yu and it's actually cool, need to farm centaur hearts tho
sly vigil
GY is fun. Did you see what I did to that Doomstone with GY yesterday?
stark silo
nope
is the special supposed to be a firework? Chinese's new year and all that? Nice touch
stark silo
I love the Artemis line where she's all "ok lemme just check into my big gift sack like Santa Claus and oh would you look at that!"
wholesome
stray urchin
Blood and Darkness i just remembered that Artemis had to watch her mom sit in labor for 9 days until Apollo was born. I'd be traumatized about having kids too.
pulsar frigate
no drama until she calls you a half god 🤧
charred oak
She really is best girl. No drama...
I've been refering to her as best girl ever since i first encountered her and im glad im not alone
sly vigil
no drama until she calls you a half god 🤧
Well that's not even an insult... the way she say why would she even cared ughhh is so cute
raw rivet
anyone who does not see dusa as the true best girl is objectively false
median totem
Sorry to disturb your deep discussions, but, I feel like I'm overly relying on base Shield's bull rush. Is it supposed to be that way?
And I mean it's defensive aspect.
Because otherwise unless I don't really focus on, or get upgrades that boost only one attacking aspect, the dps is horribly low.
sly vigil
No you play it right
Starting out I felt like I need to use every type of offense to be a good player.
The opposite is true
median totem
I feel it's too cheesy though. I could probably beat the final boss by now using that. I like to have varied runs, so my PB is reaching Elysium boss.
sly vigil
Did you beat the final boss?
median totem
No, I edited that part later.
sly vigil
Relying only on Bull Rush won't get you far due to various conditions after your first clear
But it's a good starting point
My recommendation is to make sure you always lodge a cast stone on bosses so you can practice casting
And the damage bonus is nice
Use special sometimes if you see an opening
But it's ok to only use Bull Rush, too
median totem
I know I can't chesse Elysium bosses with Bull Rush and a bit less in case of Hydra.
But literally the first time I beat Minotaur miniboss was cheesing through with all those blocks.
I get the balance of the weapon. It's extreme defensive capabilities require a low dps.
I had a pretty good run where eas able to focus on the dash strike because of an Artemis boon and a Chaos boost to that. But when I was in a pinch I ended up just getting in a safe corner and Rushing across as needed. Not a style of play that I like.
sly vigil
So what exactly do you need recommendations on?
You were using Shield correctly by utilizing the block
median totem
Well yes that was my main enquiry.
sly vigil
No shame in doing that. But if that's not you style then that's cool too.
median totem
The rest was mostly my commentary on that.
sly vigil
Fair enough :D
Most people here think Shield is very strong for that same reason
I can elaborate but that's entering spoiler territory
median totem
I've watched a lot of gameplay on YT so I'm open to being spoiled.
Gameplay and story, to make it clear.
sly vigil
Yeah then you probably know that Shield, with Aspect of Chaos specifically, is the go to weapon for high heat clears if you want an easy time.
The blocking is a large part of it.
With Chaos you also happen to have S tier damage
median totem
Oh yeah, right. The special is multiple shields after bull rush or something like that.
sly vigil
Yeah
Basically it takes the shield solid defense and slaps tons of damage on top
So yeah, it's "right" to abuse the blocking xD
median totem
That covers the problem with the base Shield weapon. Unless you don't focus on one attacking aspect, you have pretty torturous amount of low dps.
Again, I understand that's how the weapon's balanced
What's the phrase used to replace swearing here, 'blood and darkness'?
sly vigil
Haha sure
Base Shield is ... underwhelming
Some people have suggested buffs for the weapon.
gray haven
@sly vigil I see you finally found the right channel.
median totem
Maybe.. I'm not sure tbh, I feel as a beginner if it's stronger I might overuse it.
Right now I only know that I'm not using the Spear. I'm unable to get comfortable with it. (Note: I only have base aspects and Fists unlocked)
sly vigil
Wow rude... I literally just said that you can be nice yesterday Nyaa. Here you feel the need to trample my assessment to the ground. I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
Have you tried Rail with Zeus Attack boon?
It's really good. That's how I got my first clear
median totem
Rail comes later I guess.
gray haven
There's no "overusing" something if you're having fun.
median totem
The latest weapon are the Fists for me rn.
sly vigil
Lightning Strike Fists are great, too
median totem
I mentioned before I'm not particularly having fun with base shield.
Lightning Strike Fists are great, too
First run with the Fists and my latest run. PB, reaching Theseus for the first time.
gray haven
@sly vigil hmm? I meant you found the right channel where you can be helpful and nice to new players. Why are you so mean to me. 
sly vigil
Uh huh, you know what you did, Miss.
gray haven
I used the base shield a lot in my early runs. Haven't used it since.
sly vigil
Do you have any Titan Blood?
gray haven
First clear was with that.
sly vigil
If you have 2 may I suggest Hera Bow?
median totem
Well, I'm not aware of what's requierd to unlock aspects.
sly vigil
It's also really fun
gray haven
Block helps a lot when learning the game, and the shield throw is very safe.
sly vigil
You need to unlock all weapons with key
median totem
Two more weapons to spawn then.
median totem
Just unlocked Fists.
sly vigil
Good luck. I do think Hera Bow is very fun. I had a blast with it.
worthy raven
I beat Hades today for the first time with 3 death defiances used and roughly 18h of playtime. Do you guys recommend playing with heat right away or to attempt further runs without heat to get the hang of it?
worthy raven
good point there @sly vigil
sly vigil
Because all weapons are fun and different, easy way to get titan blood for even more weapon aspects, too
worthy raven
I think I will do it likewise. And ye getting the titan blood reward from the fated list for further aspects is crucial
gray haven
I don't think it's crucial, but it's nice to have.
sly vigil
It's crucial to get enough blood if all you play is a single weapon 
leaden whale
I just always take the weapon with dark thirst really smart design to have that in there
leaden whale
yea, it's gonna take awhile
gray haven
Takes a long time to max out the mirror.
raw rivet
it does not take too long
unless you want both variations i guess
took me around 30 runs to be done with mine
gray haven
30 runs deliberately farming Darkness?
gray haven
You're not maxing it out in 30 runs.
shrewd comet
I have recently been considering what is the ideal number of runs to max out the game. Number of runs / hours played. As I understand it there are people with 200+ runs who still do not have all the darkness to max both sides of the mirror or gems to buy all the cosmetics.
raw rivet
not both variations, just the ones i use
actually now that i think about it i have one last rank of fated authority to do but it's not too important
median totem
Isn't that like, supposed to be the most expensive?
raw rivet
yeah it's pricey
lyric forge
40k I think.
gray haven
Yeah, no. The minimum to max out a list of mirror talents is 46715. You're not making 1557 average per clear unless you're not using heat and taking farming boons for Darkness. The Darkness from all the bosses in a run is only 470.
Well, 1000 Darkness for a prophecy, but still, no.
raw rivet
you can get some special deals for a bunch of darkness from the broker
gray haven
Fated Authority without the last reroll instead of Persuasion is even more. That would take at minimum 81215 Darkness.
dusk forge
@raw rivet thats impossible to max out mirror in 30 runs and you cant buy thousands of darkness from the broker from just 30 runs
burnt thorn
when i will be able to get weapon aspects
latent berry
Around when you first beat the game.
sly vigil
To get weapon aspects: ||unlock all weapons with keys, then do one or two more runs.||
blissful sinew
Which can in fact be Well before beating the final boss
latent berry
True.
median anchor
Hello, I am trying to unlock the 4th weapon aspects and still haven't gotten the ||Spear's, or any other|| even after spending lots of blood on putting at least one level on almost all the weapon aspects of all weapons, including a few being leveled up further. Got about 30 escape attempts for 23h of play, pretty sure I got the dialogues ||with the skeleton and with achiles, at least the first two ones out of three, and exhausted skelly's dialogues multiple times, even upped my friendship with him with the liquor enough to have him joke about his backstory or smth, never exhausted the dialogues with Achiles though|| and I'm wondering if I'm victim of a bug, or if I ought to be more patient and do more attempts. ||I beaten Hades the first time after 13h of play, so it's been 10h of play after that.|| I've been a bit slow to notice that I was able to use different aspects though, like a few runs after unlocking all weapons. Thanks for the help! I did search and found conditions to be || 1: having the fated list, got it early in the game. 2: Unlocking 5 other aspects, I unlocked at least two times more than that by now.3: fighting Hades at least once(outcome doesn't matter) that I beaten more than 4 or 5 times already, 4: Achiles should tell you more, I think I might be lacking that part after many runs following the conditions 1, 2 and 3 being filled.||
Thanks for the help!
Also: Started playing, and created my save after the latest update.
balmy zealot
I have a question about a weapon strategy || Does Stygian Soul works together with Aspect of Poseidon || ?
fervent parrot
Technically, yes. ||Poseidon Sword will still rip bloodstones out of enemies on special, but you will not benefit from bloodstones dropping out of enemies and back into your inventory (as Stygian Soul prohibits that). Because of that, I'd recommend sticking to Infernal Soul on Poseidon Sword.||
balmy zealot
also, can i just say that this game is amazing, i had some fear of it being too hard for me, and at first i rly suffered as i couldn't even fight against ||Meg|| but on my second day of playing it and i am getting the idea of the game
fervent parrot
Yeah! This game has a really fun and well designed difficulty curve in my opinion. It takes a while but you do learn how to play and get better with each run
balmy zealot
my first full run i didn't even expect to be a full run, went with zero ambition on ||hexagrpyh|| and || managed to pick the rocket launcher on special and special launches 5 projectiles and boom, everything started to die ||
leaden whale
I've just got Hades and omg game is awesome im loving it.
fervent parrot
I'm glad to hear you're both having fun! ☺️
rotund comet
Anyone knows if supergiant plans on making achievements on this game any time soon?
fervent parrot
If I recall correctly, SGG has stated that they intend to add achievements and trading cards to the game closer to/alongside the full release
hard summit
What do i do with titan blood?
vivid crane
Unlock all the weapons and you’ll be given a way to spend it. For now, the only things to do with it are trade it or save it up.
hard summit
Sigh
vivid crane
(||i highly recommend the latter option rather than the former in a majority of cases.||)
hard summit
where can i go to actually get my questions answered?
stray urchin
Here? UnseenOak's answer is correct
hard summit
I didnt say it was incorrect, i just want a more defined answer instead of an answer tiptoeing around the people who dont like to be spoiled.
Which i completely respect.
vivid crane
You’re in a channel where spoilers aren’t allowed. Read pins.
stray urchin
To be more specific without spoilers, you use it to upgrade the Infernal Arms.
if you care nothing for spoilers, ask questions in #h1-story-discussion and #h1-builds-and-combat
hard summit
What is considered a "new player" in Hades?
stray urchin
If you think you're a newbie, then you're a newbie. If you think you've got a handle on the game, you aren't a newbie.
More about personal perception than anything else.
vivid crane
There doesn’t need to be an exact definition but the pinned for this channel says “brand new” players. I guess if put on the spot people who still haven’t seen all the floors, or are still figuring out the game’s loop rather than later systems
hard summit
Without knowing, or seeing what is later in the game, how do you define that yourself?
I mean, theres 4 floors right? or is it 3?
Ive not beaten the 3rd boss.
stray urchin
Four floors, yes. I don't consider that a spoiler because the in-game art clearly displays more beyond each of the first three regions.
If you want a hard-and-fast rule, I guess being able to make it to the third or fourth floor reliably could be considered no longer new?
stray urchin
No worries, I didn't think you were.
vivid crane
Haha I think we’re all overthinking it. Titan blood is just a system that can’t be unlocked for numerous hours of gameplay and isn’t tutorialized till later so it kind of makes itself out to be a spoiler, which has its own channel. No worries!
hard summit
Yeah, i can make it to 3rd pretty consistently. It might be better to continue this conversation in the #h1-builds-and-combat channel? I would appreciate some help with it if one of you has time and is willing?
stray urchin
sure!
vivid crane
Ya np
manic silo
what about ambrosia?, i haven't see any used besides on trade market
pulsar frigate
it's late-stage nectar, basically
stray urchin
Once you've finished a character's quest to unlock the Locked Heart on their Affinity bar, you can gift characters Ambrosia.
stray urchin
Locked Heart is normally the 7th Heart.
obsidian locust
Many ways
obsidian locust
Zagreus Aspect Stygius is one of the few aspects where I never really know what to put on it in terms of Olympian Boons. It's just so balanced that almost anything can work on it. If I were to suggest any Daedulus hammers, Hoarding slash is super good and as well as the one that makes your nova bigger. You'd want to focus more on Chaos and hermes boons since the boost of Zagreus aspect Stygius is its speed
tepid vale
hunter dash
tepid vale
and as much move speed as possible
your attack should ideally be aphro or dem, but athena is kind of fun sometimes too
ares attack only for merciful end runs
and as much move speed as possible
by the way I'm not kidding there, you can just never need to dash except to attack once your movement gets to a certain point
leaden whale
Yea I've gotten close with aphro attack and damage reduction
And once with hunter dash but the pieces just havent been seeming to coming together nearly as easily as every other weapon
Alot of the hammer upgrades don't feel especially great on it
Probly just got unlucky with my offerings there
tepid vale
double edge is the best thing that's ever existed, besides (obviously) the sword itself
once you get that just try to get artemis/chaos dash boons and a decent attack
with greater reflex and dash-strike spamming everything just drops dead of its own volition
with epic hunter dash and double edge you should get 276(?) damage in essentially a single strike, without attack boons
gray haven
30 + 30 * (1 + 0.3) * 2 = 138 damage per Dash-Strike with Double Edge and Epic Hunter Dash.
tepid vale
two dashes makes 276
small nexus
Any tips on how to tackle the God boom prophecies? It’s been a royal pain to attempt to get Fully Loaded and Blackout from Artemis and Dionysus
tepid vale
blackout takes a hangover boon and trippy shot
fully loaded requires exit wounds, and I don't think anything else
small nexus
Also, what does the whole God ‘Favor’ thing in the wiki do/mean?
It also says that you need dual shot and exit wounds for fully loaded
tepid vale
dual shot doesn't actually exist anymore
ornate remnant
The wiki is still a bit out of date, it'll take some time to fully match Blood Price
lyric forge
Exit Wounds is definitely not a hard requirement. IIRC it's two out of Support Fire / Hunter's Mark / Most Wanted, but it might have changed since I was last sure about it.
I got Fully Loaded I think twice within the last couple days without ever picking up Exit Wounds.
small nexus
Most Wanted? What’s that
tepid vale
Thanks, I'm almost as outdated as the wiki
lyric forge
The boon that replaced Dual Shot, Dual Shot is the ||Arty x Poseidon duo|| now.
Gives you gold for the first marked target you kill in a room.
small nexus
Huh. I’ve never seen that one befor
lyric forge
It's new in this update.
halcyon berry
any suggestions for farming titans blood, i have gotten the first 6 but want to try out more weapon forms. or do i just have to wait until late game to buy them for like 1000 gems a piece
tepid vale
have you cleared a run? @halcyon berry
halcyon berry
i got to cerbrious and about 2 doors into looking for something to distract him the game crashed and didn't save anything from that run
tepid vale
once you start clearing you will get lots more blood
halcyon berry
ok cool good to know
tepid vale
so you're probably pretty close to the point that it'll be much less of a problem
small nexus
I would also suggest you trade ambrosia for blood
Odds are by the time you’ll finally be able to use ambrosia you won’t need any more blood
tepid vale
your ambrosia stocks will get demolished quickly once you get to a certain point; it's probably safer to keep it until you've used it and know how much you want on hand
small nexus
He hasn’t even done a full clear yet
gray haven
@halcyon berry if you ask for help in #h1-tech-support, they should be able to help you restore your temp save if you haven't started a new run since.
small nexus
Also, I would say it’s safer to invest heavily into a single weapon aspect than to spread it out
tepid tide
Exit Wounds is definitely not a hard requirement. IIRC it's two out of Support Fire / Hunter's Mark / Most Wanted, but it might have changed since I was last sure about it.
I've had Exit Wounds offered to me now without any prior Artemis boon. Only pre-req right now I think is a cast boon
median totem
I've developed three issues with Apshodel.
- I think the duo miniboss is a bit mistuned. Or I'm having issues due to the stomp guy having a bit inconsistency in the stomp speed/lock-on.
- The bullet hell miniboss felt a bit overwhelming. It's easy because you can break the bullets and deflect them, but there's just a overload of bullets.
- The instant I step on lava I slow down. Either I'm having issues due to me not understanding the hitbox, or maybe Zag could be a bit more fire resistant and slow down a bit later.
I would like to know whether I'm wrong and how can I improve in these aspects.
rotund comet
So I just gave Artemis a bottle of Ambrosia and maxed out her hearts, now what?
Was all that just for a couple extra dialogues or do I get better boons or something like that from her now?
noble patio
Just dialogue 😛
rotund comet
Welp
noble patio
Some other characters do give you a reward
rotund comet
Is there a better use for ambrosia then?
rotund comet
What kinda rewards?
Oh
Does it have anything to do with the locked thingies under the keepsakes?
noble patio
Yes
pulsar frigate
@median totem
- For the duo miniboss: imo it's the hardest of the asphodel minis, just have to keep an eye out for when the skullcrusher hits. Take advantage of backstab if you have it, and never stand in the megagorgon's front.
- Focus fire one witch at a time, don't spread your damage. Things like bow's special can clear out many projectiles at once.
- Yeah, lava just does that. If you have two dashes, lava should be fine, but otherwise you need to watch your positioning.
All and all, keep practicing is the best advice I have. Asphodel is about claustrophobic conditions and being ultra aware of everything happening on screen. Positioning is key in this biome.
median totem
Alright, thank you Onyx.
median totem
The power duo singlehandedly ruined my last run. Gotta let that salt dissolve in Lethe and continue.
pulsar frigate
They're tough! But it's always good to practice your positioning and your dashing skills!
This game does a fantastic job of teaching you how to play it. If you're developing good habits in Asphodel, you're definitely playing better in the realms beyond.
dense laurel
i kinda hafe the bomvers in asphodel since the yellow bombs blend well. or maybe im just blind
quasi aurora
Tbh the lava by design is great at teaching how reckless dashing can be problematic
Gotta be fast, but also be in control
median totem
Yeah I can understand that. It's just that I'm frustrated because I'm in the lava by less than *this* much and end up taking a boatload of damage.
ornate remnant
The lava timing has been adjusted recently, I've noticed as well that it's hitting sooner than it used to
On the other hand, I'm standing in the lava a lot less now xD
sly vigil
yee
sly vigil
aw im sorry to hear that
median totem
Anyway, I can now unlock other aspects.
sly vigil
nice
median totem
But I boosted Sword's base aspect.
sly vigil
how many blood do you have?
median totem
Well, 0 rn.
sly vigil
i see.
median totem
Zag Sword's level 3 I think and I unlocked Chiron aspect out of curiosity
Plus I like the Bow special.
sly vigil
chiron bow needs some investment imo. otherwise it is hard to use due to the limited damage. but you can still take it out for a funsies 😄
man you are getting close.
I hope you get past the champions soon
median totem
Yeah noticed that.
sly vigil
2v1 is never fair, and that boasting theseus doesn't help.
are you playing on 720p now?
median totem
I think I have them figured out now. And idk how others approach it but I think I'll aim for Theseus first. ||Atleast until I unlock the Boss heat thing.||
Yeah.
real garnet
Hey guys. i just noticed that you two are the only active people in chat atm. Do you guys know if there is an issue with key rebinds atm?
median totem
KB&M or Controller?
real garnet
KB&M
sly vigil
not me no, and im on controller
median totem
Because I have no issues with KBM, steam version, if that matters.
real garnet
steam version as well. i have no idea why
sly vigil
maybe check out #h1-tech-support and ask there? the devs are fairly active there so you might get an answer
median totem
I guess you should ask in #h1-tech-support incase there isn't anything in #h1-tech-fixes.
sly vigil
although probably not this late into the night
median totem
^
sly vigil
what exactly happened?
real garnet
just bought it only to have control issues
sly vigil
can you describe it? I used to play mkb for a short period...
real garnet
The keyboard inputs work fine it just doesnt want to rebind
I can move and play the game but im forced to use the defualt keymapping
im about to rip the game to another pc to see if that works
sly vigil
maybe a dumb question, but are you sure you are binding the keys correctly?
real garnet
not a dumb question. Is there a proper way to do it?
sly vigil
like does nothing bind at all? or just that it shows that it changes, then it reverts?
real garnet
I click the command and it tell me to press a key. I press a key and it doesnt change. I get suck with the prompt to press a key until i hit esc
sly vigil
that's weird, let me turn on my game so we are on the same page.
likely a moot point but it doesn't hurt.
plucky hound
Aw man, I cannot believe it was my first time beating the second boss and already beat the third area, it was so beautiful.
real garnet
congratz
sly vigil
restarting the game/unplugging kb doesnt help?
i just tested on my end and everything works as intended.
I click on the attack -> press a key -> press it, it works.
real garnet
my keyboard is on my laptop and the mouse shouldn't influence keyboard bindings should it?
sly vigil
Aw man, I cannot believe it was my first time beating the second boss and already beat the third area, it was so beautiful.
that's really good progress!
my keyboard is on my laptop and the mouse should influence keyboard bindings should it?
yeah... although scroll wheel doesn't work if you are trying to bind that
real garnet
nope just normal number keys and RMB and LMB
im not trying to rebind it to anything else.
sly vigil
dang, that's annoying... in which case you can hit F10 in game and describe the situation
real garnet
already did that too. but it is late at night so no help
sly vigil
sounds good. otherwise i'm afraid I can't be of much help. and we also discussed stuff that doesn't exactly belong in this channel. im sorry that happened but good luck...
real garnet
yeah im aware of that.
sly vigil
I think I have them figured out now. And idk how others approach it but I think I'll aim for Theseus first. ||Atleast until I unlock the Boss heat thing.||
Hey there, actually I think most people ignore Theseus and kill the cow first... but if the other way around works for you then keep doing that 🙂
real garnet
Thanks though