the only weapon that prefers ruthless is gilgamesh
#h1-builds-and-combat
strange lark
hallow geyser
And no one prefers Gilgamesh
plain river
I’ve got athena, zeus and artemis, and an open cast or call, should I try to force a 4th god?
strange lark
no
hallow geyser
Why would you
strange lark
And no one prefers Gilgamesh
true
plain river
Heading into elysium with lucifer
hallow geyser
Use acorn in Elysium
plain river
and kind of at a loss for if I should switch my trinket
hallow geyser
I don't know much about Lucifer
cunning urchin
Greatest Reflex always top tier no matter what aspect.
plain river
Use acorn in Elysium
Acorn 🤨
hallow geyser
Yes
strange lark
acorn is good wdym
hallow geyser
Greatest Reflex always top tier no matter what aspect.
Saw some people recommend that
plain river
I guess so I just never think about it
strange lark
it is one of the best keepsakes
plain river
Triple bomb is the choice over piercing and flash fire right
unreal tree
Yes
cunning urchin
Best Lucihammer.
strange lark
worstlucihammer
dreamy prism
flurry cast
dreamy prism
where flurry cast
ocean oar
for those who play achilles spear, do you mainly attack or cast? or does it depend?
random relic
i dont play achilles spear but i definitely prefer using special for most of my damage
strange lark
nice
plain river
I’ve only really used achilles for attack builds
But I guess it does work with cast builds too
ocean oar
so its fairly 50/50 in terms of boon prioritisation ?
strange lark
yeah
usually start tidal dash and then get any cast and attack boon
preferably artemis attack and ares cast
worn solar
+150% cast damage is kinda a lot
strange lark
zeus cast isnt that good
plain river
Zeus 🤨
strange lark
its good in tart and then does nothing after
proper furnace
Zeus cast in tart 
Anywhere else is 
dreamy prism
zeus cast is downgrade change my mind
ocean oar
ah fair, ill try ares next
strange lark
its not that bad
random relic
zeus cast is downgrade change my mind
depends on the day of the week
idk it kinda is worse in aspho or ely
like if you want to boiling blood a tanky enemy or smth you cant lmao
tart its great tho
second best cast in tart
proper furnace
You need to trick shot to apply boiling blood to the right enemy 
worn solar
just predict the bounces 
dreamy prism
zeus cast be like https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/988511767443423272/IMG_8258.jpg
worn solar
probably just a skill issue
ocean oar
and do you find achilles spear really reliant on the right hammer? my damage really sucked without flurry jab, but i couldnt find a replacement for it when testing other stuff
dreamy prism
lol yeah
for me that's the issue with all spears, they're too hammer reliant
base moveset of spin and special are just straight up invalid without hammers
plain river
for me that's the issue with all spears, they're too hammer reliant
Guan yu would like to speak with you
dreamy prism
meh gy is incredibly hammer reliant too
dreamy prism
gimmick is situational at best without quick spin, special is only meta with cskewer
quick spin should be built in to all spears change my mind
plain river
Guan yu is the best spear and doesn’t need hammers to be the best weapon in the game
proven osprey
Facts
dreamy prism
true
proper furnace
If you wanna change smth on spears make hades spin debuff increase spin dmg lol
dreamy prism
oh my god please lmao
proper furnace
I still dont understand why it doesnt
proper furnace
Achilles being better spin aspect than Hades 
random relic
If you wanna change smth on spears make hades spin debuff increase spin dmg lol
wait... it doesnt???
wtf
proper furnace
check it out yourself
dreamy prism
lol
proper furnace
but yeah is dumb
dreamy prism
way to kick an aspect while it's down right
random relic
check it out yourself <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
i havent unlocked the aspect
proper furnace
unlock it then give up to have your blood back
crimson ether
What are the best boons to run with charged shot (kinetic Launcher) Demeter fists? I just got a 10 minute run with it but I feel my boons could have been even more optimized.
crimson ether
Yea I used aphro special but attack I just threw on common Zeus attack and rolled with it
Solid but no synergy
plain river
I’ve gone dio attack and arte cast then rounded up all 3 duos before
crimson ether
Damn
plain river
But thats a tad luck dependent
valid dagger
If you want to go fast with fists, the top end strat is always gonna be Merciful End
But what you went with is fine with the Zeus stuff
And just try to stack more Zeus and get global damage buffs and maybe a damage dash
crimson ether
Yo I’m sorry I just noticed your fischl pfp she’s my favorite Genshin character and it’s cool to me that I’m seeing that in another game community lol
plain river
Smair + billowing strength would’ve worked right
dreamy prism
Smair + billowing strength would’ve worked right
yeah of course
smair billowing is broken
proper furnace
now add second wind
plain river
Thinking of merciless end on gilgamesh, it’d be doom strike athena special right?
dreamy prism
Thinking of merciless end on gilgamesh, it’d be doom strike athena special right...
of course
- ddash
plain river
On gilgamesh I just saw thanatos deal 14999 damage
Is the pseudo-doom from gilgamesh increased by priviliged status?
strange lark
no
jaunty kelp
tight basin
get the duo for dionysus and ares/aphrodite and it'll be stronger lol
plain river
I mean drunken strikes works with practically anything that isn't slow
flurry slash doesn't mean much
clever phoenix
flurry slash is much worse than you think
hallow geyser
Thinking of merciless end on gilgamesh, it’d be doom strike athena special right...
It is merciful btw
plain river
It is merciful btw
Frick
I’ve been told that my pact can be made easier (#h1-victory-boasting message) but I have no clue how
Is this the right chat to even ask?
valid dagger
Is this the right chat to even ask?
CP and JS are horrible pacts
Just in general
You see people start to consider them at 45 atleast
Not before
plain river
What boons are good on zag spear?
hallow geyser
I’ve been told that my pact can be made easier (https://discord.com/channels/456...
Go to #h1-discussion
plain river
I want to try a pos sword cast build and I don’t know which cast to use
I think picking up arte stuff is a must by itself and for posideon duo but do I want pos cast, arte cast, or some other cast?
proper furnace
Phalanx/Crush shot work great
plain river
Well… uh… first boon is purple arte cast or common strike common dash-strike, should I reroll?
proper furnace
eh art cast can prob work
but i would take attack personally just cuz i dont like it as much? just experiment ig
cunning urchin
I think picking up arte stuff is a must by itself and for posideon duo but do I ...
I wrote a general guide for Cast builds here: #h1-builds-and-combat message
You can make all of the base Casts work, so just pick one and look at some options from there and experiment, see what works and what doesn't.
Lady Artemis's boons aren't always required and neither are Poseidon's.
plain river
Piercing wave doesn’t benefit from attack boons right
cunning urchin
Right. Still a great hammer though.
plain river
So… dash nova, flurry slash or cursed slash?
cunning urchin
I'd take Dash Nova.
dreamy prism
So… dash nova, flurry slash or cursed slash?
hoping that's not an actual choice you had
but dash nova
plain river
It was 
plain river
Aspect of poseidon
dreamy prism
I believe flurry slash messes with dstrike iframes so that would've been probably better
plain river
Broken spear point or acorn?
dreamy prism
Broken spear point or acorn?
acorn usually, spearpoint can be valid in a few conditions
- EM4
- death defiances
- hell mode
- afraid of styx
- taking normal dad hits won't kill you, only lose condition is making a big mistake and eating boiling dad beams
basically spearpoint guards against losing resources in styx which is mostly relevant on normal, non SD healing
then it's weaker but provides more insurance vs dad by preventing absolutely devastating damage
plain river
I have double edge on arthur right now and I don’t think it’s doing anything
dreamy prism
I have double edge on arthur right now and I don’t think it’s doing anything
it should affect dstrikes
plain river
Well uh
That was obvious enough from the text its just
I was looking at the numbers and it looked a little off
But after a little while it looks like its actually working so
Alls well that ends well
crimson ether
Do I go for Ricochet Fire, Explosive Fire, or Flurry Fire on a 32 heat run for Eris rail?
I’m thinking flurry? Or is one of the others better/easier
crimson ether
Yea but I’m running with it anyways cause I got epic Zeus attack and tidal dash
random relic
flurry isnt good because it messes with zeus cooldown
proper furnace
Zeus strike has a cooldown?
Smaller than bolts cooldown but ye
plain river
Does support fire also have a cooldown? 🤔
strange lark
yeah
cunning urchin
Would be pretty broken otherwise.
acoustic vale
It seems to me that ME is extremely high risk high reward because it's terrible if you DON'T get ME
dreamy prism
It seems to me that ME is extremely high risk high reward because it's terrible ...
yep it's super reliant on getting both ME and a decent level impending doom
without it's a lackluster build
there are some ways to make it less highroll
namely zeus shield doesn't require the third core boon of ddash to work, and demeter fists can make do without ME
acoustic vale
Personally I prefer to rely more on less potentially obscene builds that are more consistently good
valid dagger
You don’t always need Impending
You need Impending for fast times mostly
But yea the build really wants ME
And then the dash
I’m not an ME enjoyer aside from Zeus shield
dreamy prism
average ME fists fan vs average MEus enjoyer
valid dagger
ME on Zeus just feels so good
And you can get to it's full potential real fast because no dash needed
I'm also a fan of Guan Yu ME
valid dagger
Nah I actually like it because of Charged Skewer, so you don't need ME as early because Skewer is so strong in Tart and Aspho
It also feels very nice without Dash
But you still want it
dreamy prism
I bet you could even occasionally do cheeky zeus shield style ME with an athena spin blade
dreamy prism
idk that sounds kinda cool
spin on some slow enemy like big rat and spam specials into it
clever phoenix
I'm also a fan of Guan Yu ME
*guan ME
random relic
haha very funny
lapis bloom
So im running Poseidon sword with Poseidon cast/exit wounds grinding my way up. At heat 20 and starting to get my teeth kicked in. Do cast builds do well at higher heats or am I just running in to a wall I have to get better at?
valid dagger
At 20 heat casts shouldnt have any issues, however Poseidon's cast is pretty bad on Poseidon sword
Try Athena or Aphrodite instead
And make sure you're always pomming that
Look for Snow burst / mirage/ lightning phalanx/ smoldering
Very versatile options
You dont need any of them fwiw but it's easy to get atleast one of them
lapis bloom
Interesting. How does it do on bosses? I've found my damage comes from exit wounds on them.
cunning urchin
If the build is good, you're phasing bosses before Exit Wounds can do anything most of the time.
valid dagger
Exit Wounds is quite appealing to newer players for some reason but in reality it's very underwhelming damage imo
If you don't pom it
And usually you don't
cunning urchin
I wrote a general guide for Cast builds that might be of help: #h1-builds-and-combat message
lapis bloom
Thanks I'll take a look
lapis bloom
Athena in to lightning phalanx dropped everyone. 3rd boss exploded. Worked well but I had epic everything. Will take further testing to see how well I can use it but so far so good. Thanks.
valid dagger
Nice
Cast rarity doesnt really matter
So should be fine
Rarity on other stuff can help but yknow
The core of the build is cast + lightning phalanx and having good poms on your cast
gusty rapids
well phalanx actually scales decently with rarity, so it matters a bit
proven osprey
Exit wounds is pretty reliable with Poseidon though
It's good boss damage
But getting out of your way for it is prolly wrong
tight basin
If you go for Artemis cast then you can go for Artemis legendary and mirage shot somewhat easily from there lol
Artemis cast is the way to go if you don't want to aim or you can't aim
unreal tree
How do you build for hestia rail?
plain river
So force pos dash and hope to pick up aphro or arte attack/special?
wicked adder
fave weapon?
valid dagger
So force pos dash and hope to pick up aphro or arte attack/special?
Well those aren’t the only ones, decent rarity Athena and Dem Attack/Special are also pretty good picks, if you get nothing you can just shackle, even if it’s for the rest of the run
valid dagger
fave weapon?
Beowulf
plain river
fave weapon?
I played with arthur for the first time in a while yesterday and I have to say
Zag rail arthur
wicked adder
i like the shield
fists and spear good too
idk how to do the bow
i remwmber doing ok with rama
plain river
I like every weapon other than chaos shield
unreal tree
based
wicked adder
i like that one
i mean the special is useless but yknow
i barely remember to special anyways
plain river
Chaos shield feels like I’m playing aspectless shield
plain river
Zeus is fun to use and zagreus is just a direct upgrade to aspectless shield
proper furnace
it makes your bullrush charge your special so it throws extra shields
unreal tree
zag shield 
wicked adder
Chaos shield feels like I’m playing aspectless shield
yeah
proper furnace
zag shield
plain river
Zeus shield
proper furnace
all shields except chaos
wicked adder
omg lol am i not allowed to swear
proper furnace
yup
strange lark
@ moderators ban angel
feral night
I wrote a general guide for Cast builds that might be of help: https://discord.c...
it says boneless hourglass
plain river
Just found purple rush delivery 😎
cunning urchin
it says boneless hourglass
Not anymore. Or did it ever? Did your eyes deceive you? Or did you ever tell the truth? Who can say!
plain river
Ricochet fire really just made my hestia shot kill theseus and asterius at the same time
dreamy prism
rico best hestia attack hammer
wicked adder
chaos is best weapon bc its a big eye
plain river
Nah arthur is best weapon because it’s so cool
plain river
should I pick up epic black metal, common urge to kill or rare ungulfing vortex? I have hunting blades
dreamy prism
should I pick up epic black metal, common urge to kill or rare ungulfing vortex?...
vortex
generally engulfing vortex > black metal, but both are good for opening up vicious cycle
plain river
Are there any hammers of note other than kinetic launcher and breaching cross for dem gloves?
lone jetty
Rolling or Long Knuckle aren’t horrible
plain river
so cluster bomb is subtractive not divisive right
greater consecration > breaching slash or cursed slash?
plain river
oh yup
I picked it up
and it covers so much area
does mirage work with demeter cast
dreamy prism
it works with all casts except thunder flare
what
cunning urchin
so cluster bomb is subtractive not divisive right
It modifies your base damage.
base damage * (1 + base damage modifier) * (1 + bonus damage modifier)
So effectively, it reduces the total damage of individual bombs by 30%. Whether you subtract 30% of your total damage or multiply your total damage by 70% makes no difference.
Note that Rocket Bomb will bypass that damage reduction.
unreal tree
what
Thunder flare doesnt do cast damage
So braids/chaos cast damage/mirage are 100% useless
valid dagger
Indeed
valid dagger
Double strike and High Voltage are the way
dreamy prism
how does its single target damage match up against the other casts though
incl rarity and pom scaling
minus mirage
unreal tree
Its ok
plain river
Which one is the better pick? breaking wave or typhoons fury?
strange lark
Bwave
proper furnace
Beaver
unreal tree
Beaver
plain river
So right now I have deadly strike/ pressure points and a chaos boon, if I take epic rare crop will the chaos boon also start increasing in rarity?
strange lark
No
unreal tree
Rare crop doesn't effect chaos or hermes
plain river
Interesting
I picked it up and it chose the two artemis boons and itself?
what the
valid dagger
It cant choose itself
But after you take it it shows as common
And if you hover over it it shows the boons that it picked
halcyon flint
was just chilling farming some resources when i stumbled upon a really good combo, hazard bomb-triple bomb (hammers for the gun) was wondering is you can get hazard bomb-triple bomb-and spread bomb?
halcyon flint
didnt think so
it did sound busted in my head but yea thanks for clarifying
wait
no i defo had it
thought you said spead hazard my bad
i defo had hazard triple im sure
strange lark
you cant get that 🙂
cunning urchin
You can't be offered Hazard Bomb if you have Triple Bomb nor vice versa.
halcyon flint
i think im high
strange lark
aight
cunning urchin
hazard bomb-triple bomb-and spread bomb
In fact, each of these three is incompatible with each of the others.
tidal burrow
We’ve talked about best builds and optimal builds and whatnot, but I wanna know - what is the worst possible build? What meme build, filling all slots, is guaranteed to ending a streak, no matter how hard you try?
halcyon flint
zero boons? idk
cunning urchin
Nah, boonless is even a category on the high heat leaderboard.
dreamy prism
We’ve talked about best builds and optimal builds and whatnot, but I wanna know ...
probably some sort of cursed slash crap
halcyon flint
gilgamesh with all the bad hammers
random relic
lvl 1 gy on hc, sd, and hl5 is pretty questionable
valid dagger
Dont tempt me
random relic
go right ahead
add in hs and lc4 for extra fun
actually just do a 50 heat run with lvl 1 gy and hc
valid dagger
getting a save with a lv1 guan yu is gonna be tricky
random relic
mmm good point
acoustic vale
Cursed slash with max lasting consequences has gotta be one of the worst combos
random relic
Cursed slash with max lasting consequences has gotta be one of the worst combos
cursed slash still works with lc, iirc
acoustic vale
Wow, a scenario where cursed slash isn't the worst thing in the world, I didn't think that existed
acoustic vale
I mean yeah, but it's at least doing something interesting in this scenario
valid dagger
i have lvl 1 guan yu XD
Send me the save
random relic
i mean just sending the file works, its not like you lose it
valid dagger
It doesn't affect you
halcyon flint
dont know how to do it im on console
random relic
oh rip lol
halcyon flint
i wish you could reset your titan blood like you can with darkness
plain river
cuz i dont like it
acoustic vale
Quiniono has the correct opinion on guan yu
acoustic vale
No
halcyon flint
idk if its bad per say, i dont really like any of the spears they just arnet my playstyle
acoustic vale
Well yes, but spear bad so
plain river
it's the best aspect on a bad weapon
halcyon flint
aren't*
plain river
it's a lot like arthur in that way (best aspect on a bad weapon)
halcyon flint
i just use the 2 ranged weapons really
acoustic vale
Unlike guan Yu Arthur is actually good though. It's also stupid easy to get a build going for it
halcyon flint
i just stack butterfly with arthur XD
acoustic vale
Categorically incorrect. Guan Yu is bad and anyone who likes it is bad /joke
plain river
arthur very easy, aphro or arte attack and build is finished
acoustic vale
i just stack butterfly with arthur XD
Easier suggestion: grab aphro keepsake and get heartbreak strike. You have a like 90% chance to get it within 1 reroll because of how game works
halcyon flint
ya i usually use aphro or athena for the attack
plain river
if you get artemis attack along with good chaos attack boons then arte works just fine
acoustic vale
Butterfly kinda bad NGL
acoustic vale
if you get artemis attack along with good chaos attack boons then arte works jus...
You don't even need chaos boons with aphro
plain river
plus you can still run aphrodite on some other core and still get heart rend + damage reduction
yeah I was talking about if running artemis attack
since it works
dreamy prism
@valid dagger if you edit the lua file with aspect upgrade to give 6 levels the sixth level reverts to lvl1
halcyon flint
oof, i do well with it
plain river
I haven't picked it up in so long because it just isn't worth tbh
dreamy prism
Unlike guan Yu Arthur is actually good though. It's also stupid easy to get a bu...
I think guan yu > arthur
on modded at least
plain river
guan yu = arthur in my mind
dreamy prism
they both have issues with FO2 and frame data
but guan yu is ultimately safer
one slight advantage of arthur is that it tanks RI2 really well whereas guan yu doesn't like it
healing to 8 with SD is a RI2 guan yu moment
valid dagger
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/989604678696329287/Hades_ZK00ozgNne.png this is gonna be great
dreamy prism
is that healing to 4 with SD
plain river
valid dagger
Yes
acoustic vale
This looks like a great idea with no possible downsides
valid dagger
Gonna kick it off with a casual 40 heat to see how it is
halcyon flint
any combat tips for heat 60? its really hard im struggling to get past Tartarus
dreamy prism
athena special seems best unironically
plain river
don't come back without a win
valid dagger
any combat tips for heat 60? its really hard im struggling to get past Tartarus
What's your heat record
plain river
any combat tips for heat 60? its really hard im struggling to get past Tartarus
don't die
acoustic vale
Be good at the game
dreamy prism
any combat tips for heat 60? its really hard im struggling to get past Tartarus
just get the boons
halcyon flint
What's your heat record
32
plain river
👀
dreamy prism
bruh
plain river
that's a jump
halcyon flint
never too early to practice
dreamy prism
do 40 first lol
valid dagger
60 is not reasonable
cunning urchin
lvl 1 gy on hc, sd, and hl5 is pretty questionable
Okay but where's the challenge?
halcyon flint
just get the boons
im always stuck with bad boons cuz all the good ones are blocked
valid dagger
If you're serious join the speedrunning discord and check #high-heat
random relic
Go 40 45 50 55 then consider 60
need more in between 50 and 60 lol
plain river
if you don't think guan yu is best aspect in the game you probably won't get past 33 heat
halcyon flint
If you're serious join the speedrunning discord and check #high-heat
aight
cunning urchin
any combat tips for heat 60? its really hard im struggling to get past Tartarus
Yeah, get to the point where you don't need to ask for combat tips before you try 60 Heat. 
dreamy prism
hypothetically what would be best 60 build
strange lark
hypothetically what would be best 60 build
meme beams
dreamy prism
hestia RI3 DC0?
random relic
zeus shield
acoustic vale
Gilgamesh
plain river
hypothetically what would be best 60 build
thunder strike+ support fire zag sword /j
strange lark
with your highest heat being 32
halcyon flint
are you actually trying to beat 60 heat
yes?
lucid oar
oh
strange lark
you actually are high
dreamy prism
thunder strike+ support fire zag sword /j
isn't that build banned from leaderboard for being too cheese
lucid oar
Multiple people here have beaten 50+ heat
plain river
isn't that build banned from leaderboard for being too cheese
uhhh... uhhh... we don't talk about that
lucid oar
None of us (except one) are actively trying to beat 60
random relic
isn't that build banned from leaderboard for being too cheese
yeah
halcyon flint
you actually are high
i know, wonder what the best time is?
lucid oar
And that other person is multiple wr holder
random relic
who, angel?
lucid oar
Yep
dreamy prism
None of us (except one) are actively trying to beat 60
and that person is me
acoustic vale
Gilgamesh special only is best 60+ heat build
lucid oar
Ofc!
plain river
i know, wonder what the best time is?
-4 seconds
dreamy prism
hades spear 60 easy
random relic
angel is cracked
halcyon flint
-4 seconds
geez
dreamy prism
angel is the second longest intermediate map for sure
acoustic vale
-4 seconds
Negative 4 seconds is rookie time idk what you're talking about
strange lark
its ten minutes and twenty five seconds
lucid oar
I did my first 50 before angel even started doing heat 🗿
plain river
I may have made a small spelling mistake
strange lark
I did my first 50 before angel even started doing heat 🗿
9 heat is heat
dreamy prism
I did my first 50 before angel even started doing heat 🗿
wow look at how washed you are
acoustic vale
I did my first 50 before angel even started doing heat 🗿
Old
dreamy prism
can't even keep up
plain river
it's actually -(43242352345430592^5324242342^34242432) seconds
acoustic vale
Rookie numbers
cunning urchin
hypothetically what would be best 60 build
Anything with massive burst damage to skip EM4.
halcyon flint
idk what my time on heat 32 was, mabey around 25mins
dreamy prism
Anything with massive burst damage to skip EM4.
trippy beo moment
strange lark
smh not sub 5
acoustic vale
Anything with massive burst damage to skip EM4.
Like Gilgamesh special only
strange lark
yeah rama special only is so goated
random relic
idk what my time on heat 32 was, mabey around 25mins
if that was your time on 32 heat youre gonna have a few problems on 60
acoustic vale
also not leaderboard legal
What are they gonna do, sue me?
halcyon flint
if that was your time on 32 heat youre gonna have a few problems on 60
ik
plain river
maim is pseudo doom
random relic
such as youre going to run out of time even on td1
halcyon flint
if that was your time on 32 heat youre gonna have a few problems on 60
only
dreamy prism
Rama has to be the best hypothetical 60 build
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point
halcyon flint
been playing for abt a month so im still practicing
lucid oar
Cracked
random relic
yeah rama sucks ass
lucid oar
Sorry to burst your bubble but it’s gonna take much more than a month
halcyon flint
rama can suck my ass 😉
plain river
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. a...
hidden rail is really cool because it's a water gun
cunning urchin
I did my first 50 before angel even started doing heat 🗿
I did my first 52 before rmacinty even started doing Heat.
strange lark
Sorry to burst your bubble but it’s gonna take much more than a month
it took angel 3 tries to beat unmodded 60 heat
how bad could it be
dreamy prism
wait what if you put sea storm on hidden rail
acoustic vale
I know Chiron isn't ideal but it IS the only bow I don't hate using so
random relic
the problem is that honestly i dont even think its a stretch to say like 53->60 is harder than 0->53
lucid oar
I did my first 52 before rmacinty even started doing Heat. <:dusa:52224877140954...
You did 56 before I even had the game
dreamy prism
that sounds like an epic build
plain river
it uh
lucid oar
how bad could it be
Tbh tru
cunning urchin
You did 56 before I even had the game
Attempted. Didn't beat it.
lucid oar
Oh 55 then
plain river
wait what if you put sea storm on hidden rail
worked for me but I'm low heat so
halcyon flint
Sorry to burst your bubble but it’s gonna take much more than a month
bruh nevre said i would do it soon
never*
acoustic vale
wait what if you put sea storm on hidden rail
Zeus stuff has a cooldown it hits iirc
plain river
well uh
dreamy prism
well what that means is you shouldn't try 60 right now
random relic
wait what if you put sea storm on hidden rail
omg and splitting bolt??
plain river
work your way there rather than throwing yourself into a bonfire
lucid oar
60 heat is like 1000x harder than 32
strange lark
well what that means is you shouldn't try 60 right now
idk about you but i love the feeling of setting a big goal and then burning out
lucid oar
Not even an exaggeration
dreamy prism
omg and splitting bolt??
rupture + jolted = PRIVILEGED STATUS
random relic
60 heat is like 1000x harder than 32
^^^
random relic
rupture + jolted = PRIVILEGED STATUS
oMG
acoustic vale
Imagine if Athena attack on hidden rail made the whole beam deflect
plain river
rupture + jolted = PRIVILEGED STATUS
🧠
random relic
legit the jump from 40 to 45 is harder than 0 to 32
halcyon flint
rupture + jolted = PRIVILEGED STATUS
do this with gilgemash a lot
acoustic vale
Imagine if Athena attack on hidden rail made the whole beam deflect
You could just like spin and deflect
plain river
rupture + jolted = PRIVILEGED STATUS
and uh... uh... support fire+ pressure points from artemis too because why not right? much damage?
strange lark
do this with gilgemash a lot
is that what you are using for 60 heat
dreamy prism
lol
halcyon flint
sorry
plain river
magical
strange lark
bot kinda slow
lucid oar
😳
cunning urchin
Oh 55 then
No, 52 was my record in Early Access. WR was 54 by bablo. I was grinding 56 during summer and managed to get into Elysium somewhat regularly, but then school started again and I had no time, and then 1.0 dropped anyway.
dreamy prism
@mossy prairie using arthur rn
lucid oar
Ripperoni
halcyon flint
nah ive been trying bow an heat 60
strange lark
pls tell me you are using chiron
lucid oar
What’s your unmodded heat pb in 1.0?
halcyon flint
pls tell me you are using chiron
yes
strange lark
LETS GOOOO
random relic
pog ok
strange lark
BEST BOW
dreamy prism
plain river
chiron best bow
halcyon flint
i like to not aim
strange lark
TRUEEEE
plain river
dio chiron best bow
strange lark
AIMBOT
random relic
you got this, going to beat current chiron heat record
halcyon flint
lazy=skill
dreamy prism
zag bow sweats in shambles
strange lark
YESSSSSSS
random relic
rama sucks compares to chrirom
plain river
I like to constantly get hit
masochist
dreamy prism
I like to constantly get hit
this but unironically irl
halcyon flint
oof
random relic
why shoot 3 5 damage arrows when you can shoot 8 10 damage homing arrows?
cunning urchin
What’s your unmodded heat pb in 1.0?
In 1.0? No idea. 51 in 1.3. Was waiting for Toffel to get 52 to go for 53, but... 
random relic
chirons clearly far superior
lucid oar
Is toffel alive
halcyon flint
no
strange lark
yeah where did toffel go
halcyon flint
idk
lucid oar
Rip 🪦
acoustic vale
this but unironically irl
ACTUAL masochist
strange lark
havent seen her
dreamy prism
what's modded chiron heat pb anyways
lucid oar
Prob 55
plain river
I've got a spreadsheet for how chiron bow works with base, concentrated, relentless and concentrated+relentless
cunning urchin
Should probably move chat to #h1-high-heat-strategies anyway.
unreal tree
what's modded chiron heat pb anyways
57
dreamy prism
I've got a spreadsheet for how chiron bow works with base, concentrated, relentl...
does it prove that relentless >>> concentrated
because it should
acoustic vale
Y'all meme but imagine Quin gets the run
plain river
best bow is obviously zeus bow idk what you guys are talking about
halcyon flint
Y'all meme but imagine Quin gets the run
oh, never gonna happen but gotta try
plain river
does it prove that relentless >>> concentrated
if you're dyslexic it does
acoustic vale
oh, never gonna happen but gotta try
Eventually you'll get it dw
unreal tree
Nah
dreamy prism
bruh I hope not
halcyon flint
if you're dyslexic it does
so yes then
acoustic vale
You become that record holder you know in your heart you can
unreal tree
That was caml's
lucid oar
Cracked
dreamy prism
DC0 huh
halcyon flint
You become that record holder you know in your heart you can
thankyou, i will (try)
dreamy prism
I guess on arty makes sense
unreal tree
DC 🗿
cunning urchin
if you're dyslexic it does
Not really the place to make jokes like that. Be kind.
unreal tree
Least favourite heat
plain river
it's like: 80 base, 120 with relentless, 164 with concentrated and maybe somewhere around 314 with relentless and concentrated?
lucid oar
My least favourite is hard labour
halcyon flint
Not really the place to make jokes like that. Be kind. <:squirtnya:4721240546444...
as a dislexic person i dont mind
plain river
I have to re-check give me a second
unreal tree
Not really the place to make jokes like that. Be kind. <:squirtnya:4721240546444...
Rule 1 😔
lucid oar
as a dislexic person i dont mind
Disslexic*
random relic
angel imagine you have to then get 61 heat chiron
unreal tree
angel imagine you have to then get 61 heat chiron
random relic
dyslexik*
halcyon flint
diislegsik
strange lark
doxdhmpuyoth
random relic
e
dreamy prism
demeter
strange lark
dementia
dreamy prism
unreal tree
Demeter+hestia=dementia
dreamy prism
bruh
random relic
dem isnt a bad substitute for aphro though
dreamy prism
max chill lowkey > weak imo
lucid oar
BeUwUlf
random relic
more like zeus + hestia = heus
unreal tree
uwu
dreamy prism
I forced dem special on lucy 50 because with triple bomb it stacks max chill stupid fast
op
dreamy prism
yeah but I like FO0 dad
strange lark
i prefer zeus special
halcyon flint
max chill lowkey > weak imo
only use aphro cuz its high dmg and so i dont need 2 boons for half of privliged status like with pos or zeus
dreamy prism
strange lark
yeah you always want to use privileged status and get two statuses to proc it
unreal tree
How's the 60 grind going
dreamy prism
don't jinx it
lucid oar
I already beat it
halcyon flint
hate how you need the attack and the jolted to activate it tho on zeus
dreamy prism
they're skipping all of elysium rn
cunning urchin
they're skipping all of elysium rn
Well, if you never make it... that's technically skipping it.
lucid oar
If croven can get 4:49 with no combats, you can get 60 with no combats
dreamy prism
just get the chaos well rng to compensate
plain river
how do you send images here, I've never tried before
strange lark
buy a total of 3 copies of hades
halcyon flint
really?
strange lark
yes
halcyon flint
wow
plain river
well, photo or no, I can confidently show off my numbers through written text
random relic
also @halcyon flint, just out of curiousity, whats your pact for 60?
halcyon flint
uh all of them
strange lark
well, photo or no, I can confidently show off my numbers through written text
just post it somewhere else and copy image link and post it here
random relic
uh all of them
all except foe what?
halcyon flint
ohhh
plain river
chiron bow base= 80 damage per special, chiron bow with relentless volley= 120, chiron bow with concentrated volley= 164, chiron bow with concentrated volley and relentless volley = 318 dmg per special
halcyon flint
all except foe what?
extreme mesures rn
plain river
strange lark
so is that RI4 EM3
halcyon flint
idk i might swap and get some approval back for more boon choices
halcyon flint
hold on
plain river
boons are very helpful
that's just propaganda made up by Big Olympian to sell you more boons
halcyon flint
is it bugged, extreme masures dosent say its maxed but it wont go up
strange lark
you gotta unlock that at the house contractor
halcyon flint
ah thats why
dreamy prism
bruh
halcyon flint
guess i need to get more diamonds
random relic
yeah id add em4 to whatever and taje away 2 ri levels lol
plain river
60 heat EM0 🧠
dreamy prism
boons = good
CF2 and UC = less boons
CF0 and UC0 = good
halcyon flint
will try a bunch of combos
plain river
do a guan yu run
halcyon flint
is my main file being on hell mode smart? i did it when i started playing cuz i thought how bad could it be
valid dagger
halcyon flint
bolls o steel here
dreamy prism
CP1 JS1 irrelevant for gamers
valid dagger
Hell mode is good for pushing heat
Around 45 heat is the point where you'd like to have it for most weps because you start to take CP, so the point from PL is essentially free heat
plain river
What does rolling knuckle mean by adding it to the attack sequence
also rolling knuckle, colossus knuckle or long knuckle? (On demeter so that there isn’t kinetic launcher)
valid dagger
What does rolling knuckle mean by adding it to the attack sequence
The standing attack sequence is multiple punches, it adds it at the end of that
If I'm not mistaken
cunning urchin
Right.
valid dagger
I'm not a fan of it, feels like you rarely proc it
But I'm also not a fan of fists in general so it might be just that
dreamy prism
so dashing to interrupt standing attack sequence means you dstrike then immediately start attacking again
but I'm pretty sure rolling knuckle means that when you do "standing dstrike" you still have the standard standing attack break period
so you shouldn't be doing standing dstrike anyways
random relic
but I'm pretty sure rolling knuckle means that when you do "standing dstrike" yo...
this isnt true, actually
im pretty sure it shortens break time
still not great but better than some other options
plain river
so uh
stubborn roots, calculated risk, or parting shot?
I think I choose stubborn roots tbh
but calculated risk or parting shot would get them out of the way for when I look for the dio/aphro duo
dreamy prism
stubborn roots, calculated risk, or parting shot?
yikes
I probably would've opted for calculated risk for duo removal and being somewhat good in the case of chiron
since it's unsafe and I assume what you were using while looking for low tolerance
plain river
gods legacy is putting in work
tight cobalt
Battle Rage is surprisingly good on Zeus shield
Instead of applying to a single tick of damage, it applies to the entire duration that the shield is out
proper furnace
that doesnt sound right 
you sure it doesnt go away when it hits an enemy
tight cobalt
Nope, just did a run
Well maybe 75%
Pretty sure it’s all considered one special attack
proper furnace
just tested it and it def doesnt apply for all ticks of the special
first hit 122 into hits of 39
tight cobalt
Ah damn here I thought I had something
proper furnace
i still love battle rage on hestia/zag bow anyways
tight cobalt
Oh absolutely
tight cobalt
Oh man I’ve got a build I need to try
Zeus shield, Arty/Dio/DM Ares special, Aphro Dash
random relic
wait, can you not sell a call boon then equip sigil?
tight basin
if i already get mirage shot in tartarus, which god should i force in asphodel? my god pool rn is poseidon, artemis, and demeter
i do have braid of atlas in the well but i want to save the hourglass for styx/dad
dreamy prism
wait, can you not sell a call boon then equip sigil?
I don't believe so
think it's locked the moment you get a call boon
random relic
oh damn
random relic
if i already get mirage shot in tartarus, which god should i force in asphodel? ...
for... what? i assume beo. if so, take hourglass
then just keep it on for the rest/until styx
alternatively, plume
random relic
id just take hourglass
tight basin
i'll keep that mind next time because i got impatient and kept going lol
tight basin
i took artemis on the off chance that i might get her legendary
random relic
ah i see
also only take hourglass if theres something good in pre aspho well. otherwise its a waste since you almost never get wells in aspho
proper furnace
wait, can you not sell a call boon then equip sigil?
You can but its useless
Smair capts at 25%, dad call needs 50%
unreal tree
Instead of applying to a single tick of damage, it applies to the entire duratio...
No
valid dagger
wild jasper
Does Lucifer dash-attack have I-frames? I thought dash-attacks took away your dash I-frames, but I just realized I can still go through attacks while holding the attack button
valid dagger
Does Lucifer dash-attack have I-frames? I thought dash-attacks took away your da...
Lucifer doesn't have a Dash-strike at all
It doesn't exist
You can't get Hunter Dash nor Chaos Lunges
uneven jacinth
how the hell do you use the spear for a good run
I already use god mode cuz I suck but the spear makes me extra suck
which is bad cuz it has the coolest theme
dusky moss
Probably depends on the spear. I like the Hades one
and doing the charged spin for the debuff before smacking them
uneven jacinth
i unlocked all to get the achievement
Im only away from unlocking guan yu aspect(cuz it sucks) and the fist aspect(cuz somehow I couldnt fine asterius alone room the one time I needed to find him)
dusky moss
You can always try the suggestions here? https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-achilles-spear
dreamy prism
Im only away from unlocking guan yu aspect(cuz it sucks) and the fist aspect(cuz...
guan yu is the best of the spears imo
aphrodite special, athena dash/attack, main damage rotation is special -> dash strike -> dash strike
best hammer by far is charged skewer so you can rely solely on special, after that it's quick spin to make the heal move viable
uneven jacinth
I mean I like not getting my health cut off
hexed lagoon
currently only usin spear until i get to spoiler boss and can unlock it
then i can unlock the other aspects too
uneven jacinth
At least the sword did it better with 2 hp every attack and not needing to charge a whole spin
dreamy prism
sure but the safety and damage guan yu offers compensate for the health loss
guan yu is orders of magnitude more viable than cursed slash
which I consider to be the worst hammer
random relic
guan yu is so good
cursed slash might actually be useable if it worked on dash strikes lol
but the problem is its playing that hp reduction on a melee aspect
dreamy prism
guan yu can safely heal without quick spin by charging spin then aiming it on enemies while they're spawning in
then dashing away as they start attacking
cursed slash has no safe way to heal
plain river
guan yu is the best of the spears imo
Not in your opinion, thats just facts
tawny grove
yall just use achillies
plain river
Running guan-yu rn and should I pick up flaring spin, extending jab or breaching skewer?
strange lark
Flaring is goated tbh
plain river
First hammer
strange lark
Flaring is goated tbh
blissful barn
Any good ideas for a rama build?
valid dagger
Any good ideas for a rama build?
Start with a beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
blissful barn
Ok thank you for the tips!
hexed lagoon
I was at a 1 v 1 with theseus and he just activated the god aid thing and I did a point blank artemis aid and theseus' health just melted
Felt v nice
cunning urchin
Artemis' Aid is pretty good.
ebon epoch
Artemis is bad because I do not know how to use her, which is 100% her fault, and I will not be taking any questions at this time.
proper furnace
Charge to full call>release
On normal chambers just treat it as a true shot/iframes on demand
proper wharf
Artemis' Aid is pretty good.
I'd love to be better with it. I've had runs where it just annihilates hades, but many others where I get it to full charge and it does like <10% dmg (in total, not because of threshold)
ebon epoch
Ok chat, I need to make it to the surface with Lucifer, what's a good build and also do I need to turn aim assist off for Luci gameplay?
plain river
water gun is always fun 😎
super soaker lucif
aim assist off? what are you playing on?
ebon epoch
PS4
plain river
I don't see why you'd want it off unless PS4 is drastically different from Switch
ebon epoch
Well auto doesn't aim at the bombs
plain river
dash into the bombs
ebon epoch
O I C
proper wharf
you rolled really well on whether or not it crit
Sure but if you're banking on rolls it seems unreliable.
Even with Marked I assume only 1 of the 10 arrows will benefit from +% crit
plain river
plus uh
there isn't reason for the aid to be run dependent
it's really did you put poms on it?
cuz at base it's guaranteed to do 10* damage of what it would otherwise
for full call
proper wharf
I think maybe lvl2 common does 160
So 10x that is 1600 which is <10% even without cp
If you need to commit more to it I feel like that's poms not being spent on key boons elsewhere
plain river
because you always have another 2nd or 3rd option that isn't at diminishing returns and that extra +3% dmg reduction from whichever boon is gonna help you more than poms arte?
cunning urchin
So 10x that is 1600 which is <10% even without cp
1,600 base damage with 35% crit chance is 2,720 average.
And since the Call duration is practically instantaneous, you start building god gauge back right away.
4,080 average with Heart Rend.
Pom scaling remains great, too.
proper wharf
All true.
I am basically an arty simp so any excuse to keep trying.
4080 is solid dmg, that's ~70% of a phase 1 threshold
But I live for those half health bursts
strange lark
thats like 3 beo casts
crimson ether
AAAGGHHH I entered Styx at around 7:40 about to get my first sub 10 but then I got sack in LAST ROOM WHYYY
valid dagger
tight basin
it do be like that
plain river
imagine not clearing each styx room in -1 seconds
proper wharf
Does anyone know if sack rng is affected by td time remaining?
I've usually (always?) been giving 2-3 sack when I get to styx with 0 time remaining on td3.
When I have saved up a decent time bank I've then sometimes been hit with 4+ sacks.
Could just be anecdotal but feels like a thing?
proper wharf
Ok
plain river
are the increased call rate boons multiplicative?
random relic
i think you ar, thur
cunning urchin
are the increased call rate boons multiplicative?
You mean like Clouded Judgment? Pretty sure they're not. If I remember right, it was @queen cape who looked into the specifics of those boons, so he could probably tell you more. But in terms of strategy, you really just need to know they're not worth making a priority in any build.
astral lantern
how should i run beowulf
tight basin
how should i run beowulf
there's three ways:
poseidon cast, artemis core boon (preferably attack) and then mirage shot. apparently there's a bug that mirage shot does +100% damage on beo instead of +30% so you can get some big numbers. get more casts or extra cast damage from chaos, pom up your cast damage.
aphrodite cast, demeter attack (i think?), privileged status mirror. same stuff for chaos and poms, not sure whether or not if you should try to get mirage shot but tbh i'm not too sure about this what goes into this build in general lol hopefully someone can correct me on this one
dionysus cast, stygian soul mirror. your casts will do insane damage, but will take a while to get back. ultimate high-risk high-reward build, as this is super reliant on you getting more casts
plain river
ice wine on dio cast 🧠
tight basin
ooh didn't know that was a thing
yeah def get that for dio cast
prob with demeter attack
plain river
it does make the activation time get thrown off I think though
valid dagger
You want Mirage over anything
Ice Wine is not very good on Trippy Hera Beo
Because of the delay
Not worth it
valid dagger
It’s not the most popular because it’s inconsistent
tight basin
if you play with seeded mod it could be good i suppose
valid dagger
What seeded mod
lucid oar
Yeah it’s just not good
Scint feast is better but again not something you look out for lol
proper furnace
Nice priv status
plain river
Thank you, thank you
valid dagger
Modded makes the resets comfier and the hammer helps but that’s just Beo in general not trippy
Trippy still needs so much
Early on
plain river
it wasn’t modded
It isn’t impossible
It’s just
Annoying to roll/stumble your way into I guess
cunning urchin
there's three ways:
poseidon cast, artemis core boon (preferably attack) and the...
For Passion Flare, you want Snow Burst ideally, but Frost Strike is a decent alternative. Mirage Shot is always great. Smair is a potential route.
tight basin
why is snow burst better?
you deal a bit of damage and inflict chill every time you load up the casts, but frost strike pretty much does that except when you hit them with the attack
plain river
So you could use a different attack? And then prok privledged status
proper furnace
Snow byrst allows to finish off small enemies
cunning urchin
Snow Burst can kill off enemies at times you can't deal damage otherwise. Frost Strike often just ends up dealing damage that will die to your Casts anyway. But it's still a very good alternative.
And it's also just more damage.
And scales with bonus ammo.
tight basin
i see
cunning urchin
Also more easily procs Killing Freeze due to AOE.
tight basin
what would you put on the attack then? just anything % based at that point?
cunning urchin
Sometimes just anything. Deadly Strike ideally if you have Snow Burst and Passion Flare already.
tight basin
to try and get mirage shot i assume?
cunning urchin
It's max damage on your Attack either way but that's another reason.
Ideal Passion Flare build would have Charged Shot, Snow Burst, Deadly Strike, Tidal Dash, Mirage Shot.
And potentially like Hunter's Mark, Killing Freeze, Heart Rend, etc.
Obviously lots of bonus ammo and bonus Cast damage.
But even something like Drunken Strike can be good just to proc Privileged Status and get more damage from your Attack.
Passion Flare in high heat benefits from not being super reliant on any particular route or even any Duo Boon.
And you have Weak.
Poms on Cast, something that procs Privileged Status on Attack, Zeus' Aid, Smair... looks very different from getting Snow Burst or Frost Strike but will do a whole lot of work.
Thunder Dash, Static Discharge to proc Privileged Status... even just that can help you deal a lot of damage. When you start off, it's good to learn what the ideal build is and aim for that. But the more and more you learn about builds, the more you learn to adapt and make the most out of any runs like that.
Like if you lock yourself too much into a "I will get Snow Burst" mindset for example... and then it just doesn't come, and you got nothing to proc Privileged Status with because you were banking on Snow Burst... had an opportunity to take an Epic Drunken Strike in Tartarus to get Privileged Status before Furies and make short work of them, but you wanted to keep it open for something optimal, yet things didn't fall into place like you wanted, you wasted time in Tartarus because your damage was garbage, no Snow Burst in Asphodel either and now you're fighting Lernie with garbage damage hoping you'll finally see Snow Burst in Elysium...
sterile fiber
@plain river
On Icy and Passion Flare, certain actions will causes their AoE to shrink, and rarity upgrade is one of them
sterile fiber
but if you get Rare cropped before Eurydice, her own rarity upgrade can restore it
Or so I've heard
charred hemlock
I still haven't done a twist fist clear, which aspect do I pick? and what are the best hammer upgrades?
valid dagger
I still haven't done a twist fist clear, which aspect do I pick? and what are th...
The aspect of Demeter is the strongest of the fists, and the best hammers are Breaching Cross, Explosive Upper and Kinetic Launcher
Kinetic and Explosive Upper are also stronger on Demeter fists due to the charged cutter
charred hemlock
Cool! thanks so much, any changes to the mirror?
valid dagger
It’s just the usual mirror setup
charred hemlock
cool, thanks a ton
valid dagger
#h1-for-new-players message Here’s a brief overview of the mirror perks
ebon epoch
Is it worth to pack the feather on Beo just to try for the Hermes legendary?
lucid oar
It’s more worth it for getting rush delivery
valid dagger
It’s alright
acoustic locust
mirage shot, heart rend, and parting shot duos combined is kinda powerful
and then with support fire, pp, exit wounds, and fully loaded
ebon epoch
Y'all have any EM4 Hades advice for me, or is the key literally just "git gud"? Only beaten it a couple times
valid dagger
There are no tricks, you learn the patterns and how to dodge them and you practice so you become consistent at that, the fight is noticeably harder than the non-EM version
strange lark
just get the good summons
tight basin
for nemesis ME is good but super high roll
typically people use nemesis with artemis and either athena or aphrodite
their duo boons help with crits, increasing rate or increasing damage
i typically use artemis attack for increased crit rates on the dash attacks with athena or aphrodite on the special, whichever i see first or feel like using
plain river
I like aphrodite attack and arte special for heart rend
4th aspect for which weapon
do you already have the 4th aspect for the spear?
tight basin
when do you unlcok the 4th aspect
conditions are pinned in #h1-story-discussion
tiny grove
ok ty
tight basin
ok i see
#h1-for-new-players message here's a nemesis guide from nyaanyaa
tiny grove
is 4th aspect of sword > nemesis still?
tight basin
falls off on higher heat according to the people, but both are still pretty solid
plain river
4th aspect on sword is the best one and that is definitely an objective fact and not personal bias
tight basin
lmao
all the hidden aspects hit slower but harder
they all have their ups and downs
valid dagger
Arthur is good because it's easy to play
tight basin
hidden aspect on exagryph hits faster I think
i've used that aspect once and i dont remember lol
tight basin
to emphasize how little i use rail, i only have 12 heat on it and like all of it is hestia lol
plain river
I'm not gonna lie, I have less runs on hestia and eris combined than zag rail or lucifer I think
tight basin
i just dislike rail so i just do hestia lol
easy and no need to count ammo
just 1 and done
plain river
I should probably try a clockets run at some point
valid dagger
Clockets kinda gud
strange lark
If you can get them
valid dagger
I get them every run because I'm a gamer
plain river
recently had than talk to me about how much I use the rail
wonder if it'll happen if I use the other weapons enough
tight basin
Do a hades spear run and get to the end lmao
plain river
I've gotten to the end with all the weapon aspects other than chaos
tight basin
Chaos aspect and go see chaos then