#h1-builds-and-combat

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turbid needle
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theres none

restive turtle
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idk which one to go for rfist 💔

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first*

opal lodge
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what have you liked so far?

restive turtle
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i just got my first clear with stygius

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idk which legendary i should get first

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is the arthur sword good?

opal lodge
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i personally really like nemesis

restive turtle
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guan yu is trash

opal lodge
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arthur is pretty safe

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guan yu is fantastic but quite punishing to play

restive turtle
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yeah i got nemesis on my first clear

cunning urchin
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Guan Yu is one of the best aspects for doing an entire run without getting hit once and still clearing fast.

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Or you can cheese your way to victory with lifesteal.

slim lynx
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i like how the best way of knowing whether someone is new to the game or not is if they like guan yu or not

cunning urchin
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I liked Guan Yu right away.

turbid needle
slim lynx
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says a lot about how good an aspect is at going fast when i think the previous wr was a lightning phalanx build on arthur

valid prism
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You could say the same for Chiron because one of the best solutions to go fast with it is... Tidal Dash 👀

slim lynx
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chiron? you mean base bow?

mystic ember
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No the one that tracks enemies with special

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I think

valid prism
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Zag bow has probably the same issue actually: decent for 1v1 rooms but having an aggressive dash makes it clearly faster against groups

iron locust
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HOH HOH HOH this is INTERESTING

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Hunter's Mark doesn't register Deflected Poison

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It ticks 24 per when you fling it back at those damn satyrs

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I wonder if it works for Doom or other non direct blows

restive turtle
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how can i trigger the conversation with nyx? can i just give up runs to get the arthur sword?

magic rivet
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Hunter's Mark will make Doom crit, yes

opal lodge
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HM should be able to make anything crit i believe

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except perhaps summons

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but that hasnt been rigorously tested

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i know off the top of my head it can make some traps and thanatos crit

strange lark
honest wing
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does the extra coins boon from chaos or poseidon affect side hustle

turbid needle
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i dont think so, cause i think poseidon and chaos specifically say "encounter rewards" or smth along those lines right?

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or chamber rewards or smth

honest wing
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ah

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thanks

slim lynx
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affluence and ocean's bounty do affect all sources of obols except for side hustle i believe

cunning urchin
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You'll have more money than you can spend, either way. dusa

jovial fulcrum
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the best is when you're 3 gold short of buying one more boon lol

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that's happened a couple of times to me. Not necessarily exactly 3 gold, but single digits

strange lark
real crest
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I want to do a miser run with sword any tips ?

turbid needle
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miser?

cunning urchin
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Hoarding Slash, I suspect.

turbid needle
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oh

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good luck then

cunning urchin
honest wing
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Coin purse keep sake? Golden touch mirror (I think that's what it's called)

real crest
small fable
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Stygian soul or infernal soul for an Achilles blade rift build?

strange lark
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Take every chaos gate you can

small fable
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Gotcha

lime jolt
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Hunting blades works fine with infernal as well

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But you have to take Stygian for meme beam

near heath
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How to play Guan Yu?

boreal prism
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First: level up guan yu

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To make the downside less bad

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You wanna see if you can get charged skewer

near heath
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What's that

boreal prism
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It's a hammer that makes your skewer charged

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The secret gy effect is that the spear throw doesn't return to you

timber coyote
boreal prism
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Ooh I love doing this

timber coyote
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Imagine if i get deadly strike upgraded in my run (which i will continue tmrw) that damage is gonna be be insaaaaaannneee

slim lynx
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deadly strike doesn't scale well with poms sadly 😔

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8% for first pom, kinda worthless tbh

timber coyote
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Damn

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Might still be able to change it up a bit with tempest strike and pressure points (?)

dusky locust
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Any good beowulf build?

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Tried artemis special but realize its nowhere near as good as guan yu's special

turbid needle
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only do special builds with charged flight tbh

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go for cast builds

dusky locust
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aphro cast?

turbid needle
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aphro cast is okay ye

dusky locust
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Nvm, got epic ares cast. Just wanted to try it out but man, it's a huge blender. Looks awesome. Let's see how far it goes.

turbid needle
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how does beowulf play? i havent actually used it in a run cause im unsure of what the playstyle is like

dusky locust
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bull rush, spam cast while rushing or before

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if you get a special hammer, special then becomes quite good since the base damage is 45

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okay.. I wasn't aware triple cast ares would shred 1/3 of Meg's health

strange lark
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i cannot be killed

slim lynx
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4 health is more than enough to not die

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just don't get hit!

strange lark
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yes

honest wing
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man

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aphro didn't give me flourish

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after even 3 rerolls

strange lark
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rip

valid prism
strange lark
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lmao

valid prism
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Dps was actually decent with earring

desert axle
strange lark
desert axle
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ohhhh

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LOL

odd cliff
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I finally unlocked guan yu and arthur, does anyone have a good boon setup for guan yu?

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preferably focused on the spin, id really appreciate the help, im not really sure how to approach the weapon

strange lark
lucid oar
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Artemis and massive spin is pretty good, but the special and charged skewer is usually better.

cunning urchin
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Probably should add a bit for spin builds sometime.

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Well, the builds are the same, just playstyle is a little different if you want to focus on the spin.

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You usually charge your first spin from a Dash-Strike because that's just faster.

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You can change your aim while charging your spin, so do that. Then you can release your spin either from standing by letting go of Attack or by doing a dash.

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If you release with a dash, that dash will have i-frames like any empty dash, and you can immediately charge another spin from that dash.

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Releasing with a dash gives it some extra range, but it's usually safer to release from standing, and the spin usually stays on enemies longer that way.

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If you're on KBM, you can actually dash backwards or sideways or whatever if you do a dash release. I haven't explored that since I play on pad, but that should open a lot of interesting tactics.

opal lodge
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its nice

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retreating spins good

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one other thing for spins is to make sure youre precharging a spin before a wave spawns in for easy heals and big damage

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you can easily bank a spin off a wall for more travel distance or value

pure stone
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ok, so im realizing,stubborn roots is great, and the best part is all it needs is itself

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sure hermese and athena boons help

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but if you so choose in any given room, you can get maximum health by sparing the last enemy

opal lodge
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stubborn roots gets more value the worse your build is

strange lark
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Quick recovery is better

opal lodge
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ive found it pretty useful on high heat at times

pure stone
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i mean, to me it just favors dodging, which im great at if i dont gotta attack stuff too

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also wuick recovery cant heal you to max health i dont think

opal lodge
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once you start running timer it gets a bit less value but yeah it can help with first few clears where you dont get many resources

strange lark
opal lodge
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SR is good when you have unlimited time

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pretty mediocre as soon as you need to run timer

pure stone
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point taken

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im on my first pact run, just 1 notch more enemies

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stubborn roots is pretty much how i beat it

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im good at dodging that guy

boreal prism
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Ooh jury summons? That's a fine first pact

pure stone
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im thinking of just boosting that for a while

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because hey, more waves is no skin off my nose

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itll make elysuim annoying....but lets be real, to me elysuim isnt gonna be not annoying]

boreal prism
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Well... in js2 you really start feeling it

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Maybe go for cf1?

pure stone
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cf?

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im sorry, i looked at that list exactly once

boreal prism
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Convenience fee... makes stuff cost a bit more

pure stone
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ah

boreal prism
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I'd recommend tight deadline 1 but if you like stall tactics then maybe that's not for you

pure stone
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yeah, a buncha these pacts seem like they are easy right now, but if i raise them too much they will end me

boreal prism
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It sure does add up

pure stone
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...tight deadline will be my last, i cant do speedruns

boreal prism
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When you do a run, check your clear time

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You might already be doing runs that are less than 9 minutes per biome

pure stone
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well, not either of these last 2, thank you stubborn roots!

boreal prism
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Hehehe

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One time I got stubborn roots right after a certain bull took all my DDs...

pure stone
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wait, you use the limited DD ability?

boreal prism
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I use it instead of SD, yeah

pure stone
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but like, i cant see using 1 revive over 50something

boreal prism
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DD is better if bosses usually getcha, and SD is better if it's rooms that slowly wear you down.

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Sure technically you get 75 revives but you don't use most of them

pure stone
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speaking of, im at redacted again, with athenas aid so i get to be agressive every once in a while

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also is there anything you can do when he vanishes besides run around and wait?

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not that i mind waitng

strange lark
pure stone
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ok

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also, i got support fire this run, on a sheild its kinda dissapointing, but i can tell im gonna love it on the fists or rail

strange lark
pure stone
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ok, what the heck is boiling blood, all it seems to do is green up my screen

boreal prism
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Boiling blood means you take more dmg

pure stone
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oh

strange lark
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Just like your cast

cunning urchin
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No.

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You take +100% damage.

strange lark
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Oh yeah

pure stone
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Ohhh

pure stone
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phase 2!

cunning urchin
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Good luck!

pure stone
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we have a winner!

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soo, 1 more tartarus run to guan yu

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nevermind!

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this spear heals me?!

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YES

boreal prism
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Yeah the spear heals you that's the whole point!

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Also the special is better than default

pure stone
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nice!

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i still think the castfiring bow is a liiiil cooler tho

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cool and useful are seperate axises

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guan yu feels a little slower tho

boreal prism
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Yeah you gotta be a little careful with it

pure stone
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holy moly this thing just melted doomstone

patent raven
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Started with 50 HP. Jumped into Chaos. Took a -47HP Boon. LET’S GOOOOOOOOO

boreal prism
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Just.... don't get hit :)

patent raven
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It’s still funny to see my HP as 1/3.

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Got through it fine. +118% Special. Had to try it.

boreal prism
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Definitely worth it

patent raven
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I just wish I could use Cluster Rockets once. I can’t seem to get the rockets at all.

strange lark
jovial fulcrum
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poggers

pure stone
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ok, so, with euridice, is there an advantage to taking the one the ups rarityies?

boreal prism
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that one can be better in some cases, sure

pure stone
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what cases, like, i dont honestly even understant rarities

boreal prism
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if a boon is already level 2 or 3, giving it more rarity will make it more powerful than giving it more levels

pure stone
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ohhh

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hahahahaha

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pressure points "all damadge " really means it

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i just had a doom effect of 570!

boreal prism
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when the Points are Pressured 😎

split relic
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Question

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Does giving up change around chaos boons?

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I found a chaos at chamber 1 but I wanna get the +q cast one

dusky locust
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It doesn't from personal experience

cunning urchin
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@pure stone the base for any boon is common Lv.1. Rarity bonuses and pom bonuses are just added on top of that. Poms have diminishing returns. Some boons can't be pommed (e.g., all of Lord Hermes's boons), but all boons can be increased in rarity up to Heroic.

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The one exception is Master Chaos's boons can't be pommed nor increased in rarity.

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Well, Legendary and Duo Boons also can't be upgraded in any way.

pure stone
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thats cuz thats the top rarity anyway i think

cunning urchin
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Legendary/Duo is just different from other boons. Others go from Common to Heroic.

boreal prism
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I find it interesting how even legendary and duo boons have a highlighted number, vaguely implying that it can be upgraded

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imagine a second wave that made a third wave, or a phalanx shot that bounces 4 times...

dry ember
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What build is the most cinematic in your opinion? I'm not talking about OP visual diarrhea builds, more like sensible builds that look cool and take some skills.

I'm thinking Massive Spin Hades Spear on Deadly Strike Heartbreak Flourish Divine Dash?

cunning urchin
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Lady Aphrodite boons on everything with Unhealthy Fixation, of course! 💕 dusa

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And Dusa summon.

dry ember
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Totally unbiased

cunning urchin
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Absolutely.

dry ember
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What is new in this realm?

cobalt tulip
patent raven
cunning urchin
cobalt tulip
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But than is better

cunning urchin
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Rude.

limber cloak
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With scint feast, preferably

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Lightning phalanx is also satisfying af to watch

cunning urchin
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They aren't even pink. That doesn't make any sense.

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No little hearts, either.

slim lynx
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crush shot isn't very flashy mind you

cunning urchin
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It's perfectly flashy. zfiestAngry

proven osprey
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Always a pleasure to witness Nyaanyaa's adventures, fighting for the sake of Lady Aphrodite. With cute angry emotes too.

slim lynx
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🐊

strange lark
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thats a cute dog

honest wing
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wait you just don't get hunter's dash with lucifer?

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you can't get an artemis dash boon on lucifer wow that seems weird

strange lark
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so you also cant get the dash strike chaos boon

honest wing
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hmm makes sense

valid prism
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Sounds logic

warped kernel
lime jolt
timber coyote
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Is it bad that i love the ||cerberus|| keepsake

strange lark
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cerb keepsake is fine

timber coyote
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I knew most didnt like it and preferred others over it for boons and stuff but im just chillin with my health

jovial fulcrum
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I can appreciate a good Dusa summon

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Cerberus keepsake really helped me out a bunch before I got a lot of progress on the mirror

uncut lintel
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Would someone mind pointing me towards a Zeus Shield aspect build?

strange lark
uncut lintel
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Is smoldering air a duo or who's boon is that?

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or a hammer?

strange lark
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Duo

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Aphro and zeus duo

uncut lintel
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Coolio. Thank you much

strange lark
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Makes your call charge faster but caps at 25%

uncut lintel
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Got an epic Heartbreak strike to start off. sweetness

austere hollow
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Lucy build, first hammer i have a choice between greater inferno (special radiates 250 bigger), targeting system (foes hit by special move slower and take 30% more dmg), or triple bomb (3x special) . All of them are good

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Recommendations?

uncut lintel
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Targeting System personally. Increased damage to all enemies by 30% is nice

strange lark
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Yeah

austere hollow
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Triple bomb with the rocket one is so fun. I'm waffling back between those 2

strange lark
austere hollow
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But as a single hammer, you're right

strange lark
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What do you have rn

austere hollow
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Just in asphodel so far

uncut lintel
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I have Quick Recovery (Epic), Swift Flourish (Epic) and Swift Strike (Rare) with a Zeus Shield. Thoughts?

austere hollow
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Artemis on atk, demeter on special

strange lark
uncut lintel
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heard

austere hollow
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Zeus cast &dash, Athena call

strange lark
timber coyote
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What aspects are good for bow?

uncut lintel
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Could I take an Epic Aphro call over Zeus? Only seen him once so far and I'm looking at Aphro's

cunning urchin
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Absolutely.

strange lark
cunning urchin
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Her Call is great.

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Aphrodite's Aid with Smoldering Air is amazing.

uncut lintel
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Heard

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what are the prerequisites for Smoldering Aid?

cunning urchin
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Any core boon from Lady Aphrodite + any core boon from Lord Zeus + any Call.

strange lark
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Yeah

cunning urchin
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Calls are also core boons.

strange lark
uncut lintel
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Coolio. Got the bases covered.

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Hyper Sprint (Rare), Quick Favor (Epic) and Swift Flourish. I'm leaning toward QF.

strange lark
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Hyper sprint

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Qf is the one that makes your call charge right?

uncut lintel
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yes it is

cunning urchin
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Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery is pretty broken, so Hyper Sprint is pretty much always the pick.

strange lark
uncut lintel
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What exactly does Smoldering Air do? and Rush Delivery for that matter?

strange lark
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Your call charges super fast but it's capped at 25%

uncut lintel
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oh right

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and rush delivery?

strange lark
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When you have a speed boost you deal more damage

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Something like that

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Idk how it works

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But you deal more damage

cunning urchin
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You deal bonus damage based on any bonus move speed.

uncut lintel
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ooooo grabbing lambient plume now after lernie then

cunning urchin
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You don't want to do that really.

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At common, you deal 50% bonus damage based on your bonus speed. Meaning if you have +100% bonus speed from Hyper Sprint, you get 50% of 100% as your bonus damage.

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And 50% of 100% is +50% bonus damage.

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This is any time you press Dash until the movement speed bonus from Hyper Sprint goes away.

uncut lintel
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oh... well wow

strange lark
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Ohhh

cunning urchin
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For the whole duration of your dash and then .5 seconds after your dash for a common Hyper Sprint.

uncut lintel
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can I be offered smoldering air from aphro or just zeus?

strange lark
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Both

uncut lintel
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sweet. I have a door for a pom, aphro and a chaos door. Aphro for chance at SA?

cunning urchin
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Yes.

strange lark
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Yeah

cunning urchin
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Lady Aphrodite*

strange lark
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Do not disrespect Lady Aphrodite like that

timber coyote
cunning urchin
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Thank you, @strange lark. You're very right.

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Rama is pretty broken, too.

strange lark
cunning urchin
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And Zag Bow can be a bit bland but is also very good.

uncut lintel
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Got SA

strange lark
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Nice

timber coyote
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How do i get rama? I assume thats the hidden aspect

strange lark
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Yes

cunning urchin
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Well, once Dash-Strike Power Shots are second nature, Zag Bow gets bland quickly, but it's fun every once in awhile.

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For me, anyway.

strange lark
timber coyote
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Thats gonna take a while

strange lark
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Yeah

timber coyote
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Ima look up gameplay to see if i like it or not see if i wanna go for it

uncut lintel
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Oh boy, I have a trial between Zeus and Lady Aphrodite...

cunning urchin
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Take Lady Aphrodite first, obviously. 💕

strange lark
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Yes

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Her attack is annoying

cunning urchin
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Only the unfaithful would know what her trial is like. zfiestAngry

uncut lintel
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lmao

strange lark
timber coyote
cunning urchin
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I wouldn't know anything about such heresy. The high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite will always pick her first in any trial. Hmph!

uncut lintel
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Is there anyone willing to look at a Screenshot of my build before I face Asterius and Theseus? I rather like how this has come together so far

strange lark
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Sure

cunning urchin
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You'll need to link it from imgur or something.

uncut lintel
cunning urchin
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Looks decent enough. See if you can get some poms on your Call.

strange lark
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Yeah it's a good build

austere hollow
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Zeus and demeter legendaries, that was fun

uncut lintel
austere hollow
pure stone
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oh gosh, first aspect of zeus run, my first boon it divine flourish

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can i just...stand in it and never get hit?

jovial fulcrum
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divine only reflects projectiles, doesn't it

pure stone
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nope!

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its everything

cunning urchin
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Deflect doesn't make you invincible. If you get hit on the same frame that you would deflect the attack, you'll take damage, and the attack won't be deflected.

pure stone
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ok

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well, it certainly seems to make me quite sturdy anyway

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but the noise it does is nigh undearable

fiery shard
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So I am reliably finishing runs in the 22-25 minute range. Any tips to start bringing it down more towards 18-20 or below?

dry ember
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do you know weapon/boon synergies? also what pact are you running?

fiery shard
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I guess, maybe, probably not. My hardest run has been heat 7, but I occasionally drop to 0 just to see how fast I can do it with nothing slowing me down

opal lodge
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funnily enough some pacts usually speed you up

fiery shard
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I imagine Tight Deadline would

opal lodge
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notably forced overtime for faster enemy spawns (though it makes bosses more dangerous) and EM2, which makes the lernie heads closer

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tight deadline is only used for real time speedruns, since it eliminates survival rooms, which pause the in game timer

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it is not used for in game time speedruns

fiery shard
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oh ok

opal lodge
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feel free to check the resources on speedrun.com and some of the top runs

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they might give you some idea of how people tend to build

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you can sort by aspect if theres a particular one that youre attached to

fiery shard
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cool thanks

formal basin
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Thought I'd try out an Achilles Curse of Drowning build, right? Got lucky and got it really fast, along with an extra cast, along with blade dash. I couldn't see anything there were so many effects going at once and just got absolutely demolished by bombs in Asphodel. Don't think I'll be trying that at high heat again.

austere hollow
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I HATE curse of drowning

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Mayyyyybe it'd work on hidden aspect shield?

opal lodge
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nope

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especially bad there

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can be ok on achilles or poseidon sword

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talos

formal basin
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I think maybe it would work with Achilles if I abandoned the idea of actively attacking and make like a dash build? Because you're hitting so damn hard at that point, you can get by. Just focus entirely on not getting hit, while staying near them.

jovial fulcrum
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its nice on Talos cause you can pull enemies in to it

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I just suck at talos so i can never make it work lol

opal lodge
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you can do the pull without the uppercut

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so ideal talos cod combo looks like

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pull > dash > cast> dash strike

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or something like that

faint snow
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any ideas for good Hera bow build?

formal basin
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Trippy Shot, try and get both Zeus and Demeter duo boons.

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Crazy burst damage

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It can also be as simple as just Artemis cast + Poseidon Duo boon and try to get a good Exit wounds.

slim lynx
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greater recall isn't needed but it sure is nice to have

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it's better to go for hyper sprint + rush delivery instead of greater recall

balmy portal
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Explosive Launcher + Tempest Flourish + 30% faster special (thanks Hermes)

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nomnomnom

uncut lintel
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Would 12% damage reduction in Festive Fog be worth it or should I get an Epic Premium Vintage for +30 maxHP at 170

slim lynx
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take the nectar

uncut lintel
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Im so sad right now dude

primal trench
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I'm having problems clearing the game using Stygian Blade (aspect of arthur). Can anyone share effective builds here?

**i'm more of an Adamant Rail kind of player :))))

uncut lintel
limber whale
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how man revenge effects do you have?

uncut lintel
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How might I find that out? I'm looking at my boons but I'm a little confused

limber whale
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well, did you ever pick up a Boon that say "when you get hit x get inflicted on enemy"

uncut lintel
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I just have Wave of Despair (Epic)

limber whale
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and how much emphasis do you have on the Blade Dash?

turbid needle
limber whale
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like, how much do you find yourself using it

uncut lintel
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I'm using Hyper Sprint and have Engulfing Vortex with a Zeus shield build so I'm very much on top of people and dashing on them. I'm currently in Styx right now

limber whale
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hmmmmmmmmmmm

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I'd say go for the legendary

uncut lintel
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Got it

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Battle Rage, Curse of Vengeance or Black Metal (All Epic) At Charon's Shop right before [Redacted]

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@limber whale

limber whale
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what's up

uncut lintel
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Not sure which boon to take and would like your opinion as I have come to value yours among a few other members on this discord

limber whale
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Thanks! That means a lot to me!

limber whale
uncut lintel
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Of course! You're an incredibly helpful individual and I see you talking in multiple channels quite often.

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Alrighty!

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Here goes another crack and that one dude with the pointy thingy

cunning urchin
uncut lintel
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Aaaaannndd done! Beat him with Aegis

cunning urchin
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Congratulations! squirtnya

opal lodge
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think both should work no?

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i guess one expends fewer dashes

cunning urchin
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Doing Cast first and pulling them into your Cast stuns them as you dash in.

opal lodge
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i just dont like having the full cast animation

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i suppose cast > dash > pull also works?

slim lynx
#

is tidal dash actually any good on aspect of poseidon?

turbid needle
#

its ok yeah

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doesnt mess you up very badly

heady peak
#

God's Legacy is a scam and a waste of time. Just get yourself some epic boons once in a while instead of nothing in 3 entire runs.

untold vortex
#

Honestly though, all the mirror options are useful in one way or another, just depends on your weapon, aspect, heat config and in general playstyle
To say God's Legacy is a scam and a waste of time is kinda not true

cunning urchin
#

God's Legacy is very good. thanthink

boreal prism
#

God's Legacy is worth it only if you're actively going for duos/legs by trying to fulfill requirements

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0% chance of getting a legendary if you don't have the prereqs

heady peak
#

what if you do have the requirements in tartarus and don't have any duo or legendary at the final boss?

untold vortex
#

Please don't evade the swear filter thanks @heady peak

heady peak
#

stop censoring me, this guy is implying I'm too incompetent to figure out duo and legendary boon requirements, you should delete their comments

untold vortex
#

You're not being censored, you evaded the swear filter and thus the message was deleted as it explicitly breaks rule 2: Keep it Clean which can be found in the #readme-first

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Also please cut the sass

heady peak
#

I'll find more innovative ways to insult people then, as TheCakeFlavor does

rugged falcon
#

Wow is everything ok here???

untold vortex
#

Or...you know don't insult people maybe

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Just a thought

heady peak
#

Yes, please tell TheCakeFlavor to not insult people's intelligence then. Thanks.

rugged falcon
#

Wait where have they insulted your intelligence??

heady peak
untold vortex
#

TIL objective fact is insulting to someone's intelligence klinkSmile

heady peak
#

Implying I don't know how to count 1+1 is an insult to me

untold vortex
#

Not everyone knows what you know mate and tbh I'm not seeing that implication anywhere in Cakes statement

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But alas we're getting off topic here

heady peak
#

It's on topic as I'm well aware of duo-boon requirements, otherwise I wouldn't try to obtain them. Finding the requirements is the first thing anybody with a working brain will work towards in order to obtain a duo or legendary boon.

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You do not need to explain this to me

boreal prism
#

I'm sorry for coming off as rude. I wasn't responding to you specifically I was just talking generally about which side of the mirror is better for which strategy

untold vortex
#

Mate, you got nothing to apologize for

heady peak
#

I think implying somebody is unable to perform tasks which need elementary school education is an insult

cunning urchin
#

Your language is very ableist. Could you please cut that out?

heady peak
#

You thinking so tells more about you than me

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I never even meant it that way

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This is going nowhere so let's just call it

rugged falcon
#

Sad moment when the enemy leaves the area where your summoned pal tries to help

strange lark
#

as a rib user, i dont have such weaknesses

rugged falcon
#

Rib?

strange lark
#

oh

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uhh

#

nothing

rugged falcon
#

What is rib???

strange lark
#

its skellys' companion

rugged falcon
#

Ooh i have it too

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Skelly's companion in French is named Cubitos :D

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So i thought about the bone when you

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Wait

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Rib is a name cuz Skelly's a skeleton??

strange lark
#

yes

rugged falcon
#

Oh gosh

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Shouldnt be shocked but its a joke i havent enjoyed till now lol

proven osprey
#

Cubitos and Thados for the win

rugged falcon
#

Yes x"""""D

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Btw no clue what Cubitos and Thados refer to

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Like these seem to be just names with no pun behind booom

valid prism
#

Well actually there's an arm bone named Cubitus in french

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That's probably highly related

rugged falcon
#

I knew the term of "fosse cubitale" but didnt make a link with anything

proven osprey
#

Thados is "Tas d'os", bone pile

cunning urchin
#

m also a Rib user.

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Mainly because that's the only Companion I've unlocked yet. shadedisgruntled

strange lark
cunning urchin
#

@proven osprey, use Tackle on @strange lark.

strange lark
#

that wont work

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i summoned rib

valid prism
#

Don't, it's just a sad cat 👀

proven osprey
#

I only know Self-Destruct

cunning urchin
#

Use that then.

proven osprey
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Don't wanna die

cunning urchin
#

I didn't ask for your opinion. squirtnya

rugged falcon
#

OMG IM SO DUMB

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TAS D'OS

strange lark
rugged falcon
#

IT WAS SO OBVIOUS TAS D'OS

proven osprey
#

You're welcome :)

rugged falcon
#

Its like me who made ABSOLUTELY NO LINK about Dusa and the famous gorgone

valid prism
#

You're not dumb, just not subtle enough squirtheh

rugged falcon
#

Seriously my life is that:

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-not noticing obvious stuff

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-thinking obvious stuff is GARDSTUFF to be theorised on

balmy portal
#

New favorite shield setup: Aspect of Zeus + Tempest Flourish + Breaking Wave

proven osprey
uncut lintel
#

Anyone have any tips for an Aspect of Hades build? @strange lark Maybe? or @boreal prism

proven osprey
#

Deadly strike is the best since punishing sweep scales really well with crit. Hammers : serrated point / explosive launcher. The explosive/charged skewer combo is really strong.

halcyon musk
#

stygian blade with nemesis aspect is actually good

proven osprey
#

The most important gameplay tip imo is the spin dash. You spin and cancel it to get the iframes. Try not to full spin but rather small and medium

halcyon musk
#

flurry slash is real good with nemesis

boreal prism
#

Argh... last time I ran aspect of hades I did a special build, which did work but that's not a good way to use that specific spear. Quick spin hammer is a lot better than big spin hammer, that's all I really know

uncut lintel
proven osprey
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The dash out will unleash the spin

cunning urchin
#

Nah, Massive Spin > Quick Spin.

halcyon musk
cunning urchin
#

Serrated Point > Exploding Launcher > Massive Spin > Quick Spin > whatever else.

boreal prism
#

Even on aspect of hades?

proven osprey
#

Yes. Punishing sweep does not affect the spin damage

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Which is sad and why the spin hammers are not optimal but remain decent

boreal prism
#

I really otta play more spear

uncut lintel
#

I do not like the spear at all but I need to run it to get the prophecy done.

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I want to keep my streak going too hopefully

halcyon musk
proven osprey
#

Only the attack and special unfortunately

halcyon musk
#

does it not apply to the spin attack?

uncut lintel
#

they take additional attack and special damage for 10 sec

cunning urchin
#

Specifically on Hades Aspect. Massive Spin buffs your minimum spin radius even further and adds a lot of damage on a move that you'll be using a lot.

rugged falcon
#

You talking bout the spear?

uncut lintel
#

Any particular boons I should be aiming to use on this build?

uncut lintel
halcyon musk
#

hm, i use the hammer jab

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forgot what it's called

uncut lintel
#

Flurry Jab?

halcyon musk
#

yea

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i'd say that it helped me the most during my first clear

uncut lintel
#

That's actually the only hammer upgrade I haven't gotten for the spear yet

proven osprey
#

Hades spear does not have access to flurry jab

uncut lintel
#

wut

cunning urchin
#

Hades Aspect can make anything work on Attack tbh. Hunter Dash, Divine Dash, and Tidal Dash are all really good. If you're going with Deadly Strike, Passion Dash (or if you have Exploding Launcher, Heartbreak Flourish) is great for proccing Heart Rend.

halcyon musk
#

i use aspect of achilles

proven osprey
#

Yeah, real spear aspects don't have access to flurry jab

cunning urchin
#

Only Zag Spear and Achilles can get Flurry Jab.

uncut lintel
#

Well shiza, I guess I'll run a Zag build then, I'm trying to clean up the Prophecy list too.

cunning urchin
#

Do yourself a favor and take Achilles instead of Zag Spear if you can. dusa

halcyon musk
#

zagreus aspect is pretty bad on all arms

uncut lintel
#

I have Achilles unlocked but haven't used it and am not used to it's play style but I will try for you @cunning urchin

uncut lintel
halcyon musk
#

it doesn't change much except for making you go to where your spear ends up

cunning urchin
#

I mean even if you're not used to it, it's better than Zag Spear. dusa

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Zag Bow, Zag Shield, Zag Fists, and Zag Rail are all decent.

uncut lintel
halcyon musk
strange lark
cunning urchin
boreal prism
#

On Achilles, you can use your attack button to get your spear to return to you, in case it's not where you want to be

halcyon musk
boreal prism
#

Of course teleporting is good

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But sometimes your spear is in lava, and it's not obvious from the aspect text that you can make it return to you

cunning urchin
#

It's Rush, not teleport. dusa

strange lark
cunning urchin
#

Everything is a teleport if you play at 10 fps.

halcyon musk
#

didn't know that

limber whale
#

technically everything is a teleport

halcyon musk
#

well, now i do

limber whale
#

you're just teleporting from one place to another very agonizingly

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like when you walk you're teleporting your leg forward how ever many inches very agonizingly slowly

cunning urchin
#

I don't move, I make spacetime move around me.

#

With the power of love. 💕

mild leaf
#

Hi, just unlocked the aspect of Arthur and I was wondering if anyone can recommend any fun builds or a general guide for it?

cunning urchin
#

I love Heartbreak Strike for big damage and Weak, then stack as much HP, damage reduction, and Dodge chance as you can. dusa

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Ruthless Reflex for the big +50% dodge chance.

mild leaf
#

seems nice

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thanks

limber whale
#

I like to put Artemis Attack on it
that's just it, you can go from there

mild leaf
#

Well Artemis and Aphrodite work quite well together is it a thing on this weapon?

strange lark
limber whale
#

maybe do Art Attack and Aphro Special?

mild leaf
#

yeah that's what I was thinking about

strange lark
uncut lintel
#

Honestly. Really insert angry word hate the spear dude

mild leaf
uncut lintel
#

My streak is gone now shadegrief

strange lark
#

I was just saying that if you put aphro on your dash it will be easier to apply weak

mild leaf
#

well if you go for nemesis aspect you just spam dash strikes and sometimes special that's what i heard

strange lark
#

But not arthur sword

turbid needle
#

you dash strike on all swords p much

mild leaf
opal lodge
#

nice pfp

#

yeah any high heat or speedruns with nemesis will give you a good idea of how the weapon is played

strange lark
mild leaf
#

ok

turbid needle
#

I kinda disagree

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dash strikes are a lot safer

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you only wanna use big swings when you have space

opal lodge
#

the problem with arthur is that it kind of sucks, and heartbreak strike gives it multiple scaling options

limber whale
opal lodge
#

heartbreak strike lets it scale through aphros duo boons, which are some of the strongest in the game

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namely smoldering air

cunning urchin
limber whale
#

just say feck

#

don't actually do that I don't know if that works

opal lodge
#

arty attack on arthur doesnt change the fact that arthur has trouble cleaning up trash and bossing, unless you find 2-3 attack chaos

cunning urchin
#

the problem with arthur is that it kind of sucks
It "sucks" for very high heat and speedruns. It's amazing for anything up to like 40ish.

#

One of the easiest aspects for 32 Heat, definitely.

limber whale
#

why?

#

I dunno if it's because I suck or something but I don't get it

opal lodge
#

extra health, very forgiving

limber whale
#

it's cool but REALLY slow

limber whale
opal lodge
#

not really mechanically demanding until you try to speedrun or do high heat with it

limber whale
#

thanks

cunning urchin
#

Because you start with +50 HP and get a ton of damage reduction and other benefits from Hallowed Ground.

#

Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air and you can just face-tank everything, pretty much.

limber whale
cunning urchin
#

The order in which you go for the boons.

limber whale
#

like, an arrow? or greater than?

cunning urchin
#

Although any core boon from Lord Zeus will unlock Smoldering Air, but you still need a Call.

#

An arrow, yes.

limber whale
#

ah, got it

mossy finch
#

can you get duo boons in trial of the gods rooms?

limber whale
#

if I can give suggestions here I think -> would make it more explicit, but whatever, it works

cunning urchin
mossy finch
#

ok

cunning urchin
mild leaf
limber whale
mild leaf
#

oh ok

elder gale
#

True Shot, Clean Kill, Support Fire? i guess Clean Kill, it and Support Fire are Epic.
I just got Heart Rend, and my Attack is Artemis and Special is Aphrodite.
Nemesis blade.

#

Okay, just beat Lernie...

opal lodge
#

clean kill is usually the take there

#

i would only lean support fire if you had a call

elder gale
#

Hey, Daedelus hammer.
Uh, Cursed Slash, Breaching Slash, Cruel Thrust.
Already have Piercing Wave

opal lodge
#

breaching

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cursed is terrible, cruel thrust might as well do nothing

boreal prism
#

breaching will really help through elysium thats for sure

#

I don't think cruel is bad, especially on a crit build

opal lodge
#

breaching, piercing wave, and dedge are the only ones that do anything of note to dash strikes

#

which are essentially all you want to be doing on non arthur swords

elder gale
#

There's no benefit to fighting Charon after you win the bet, is there?

strange lark
elder gale
#

I'm in Elysium, so, meh

#

discount maybe helps a bit later.

#

I'm still on a decently low heat cause I'm not great. >.>

#

highest heat is a 3, I think

boreal prism
#

you beat charon at least twice, that puts you above a lot of players

elder gale
#

Beat Charon twice in a row

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I lost the fight after the first, so I had to retry to get two in a row

#

ANd fought him like 5 to get the twice in a row thing

#

Oh, Wave of Despair, Parting Shot, Sweet Surrender (which sounds great, as it's epic)

strange lark
#

Sweet surrender

boreal prism
#

yeah sweet surrender is just moar damage

#

whereas I'm not even sure you have a cast yet?

strange lark
#

They got parting shot as a boon option

elder gale
#

I got a cast, just sort of the random phalanx shot

strange lark
#

Wait I don't think you need a cast to get parting shot

boreal prism
#

I'd like to say parting shot is one of the weakest duos, but maybe I just haven't seen the right build for it

#

it doesn't belong in your nemesis weak crit build, anyway

strange lark
#

Cold embrace and curse of drowning are probably the weakest duos

boreal prism
#

oh yeah those can be real weak

elder gale
#

Should I buy a Zeus Boon, or save it for Styx? Bout to fight champions (no boost)

untold vortex
#

I would say every duo has the capacity to be good in the right build/situation

elder gale
#

I have literally no synergy with Zeus

strange lark
boreal prism
#

trying to force smoldering air in elysium on a crit build?

elder gale
#

25% auto regen one?

strange lark
#

Yes

boreal prism
#

do you have the mirror aspect that multiplies your money?

elder gale
#

No

#

Uh, I have starting money one.

boreal prism
#

then yeah might as well buy the thing

elder gale
#

I guess I should swap it?

#

Hey, Zeus call.

boreal prism
#

starting money can be good, but the choice is relevant for this decision

elder gale
#

Others are vengence and reflexes, so meh

boreal prism
#

it's good to have a call, sure

#

any call better than no call

elder gale
#

Yee

#

Mark is so nice in Styx, since the rooms are so small

#

Kind of got a girl power build

#

Artemis, Athena, and Aphrodite

#

Life Affirmation Rare, or Empty Inside Common? Other option is HB strike, but i'm not replacing crit attack

strange lark
#

How much health do you have

#

*max health

elder gale
#

250

#

I'm in Styx, tho

strange lark
#

Empty inside

boreal prism
#

are there any hearts in styx tunnels?

strange lark
#

Unless you feel like you need more health

boreal prism
#

yeah it's probably empty inside

elder gale
#

Hide Breaker, Pressure Points, Exit Wounds?

#

I'm seeing Pressure points

#

since I'm in Styx

strange lark
#

Hide breaker

elder gale
#

I already have breaching Strike?

strange lark
#

Oh

#

Uh

elder gale
#

Exit Wounds?

#

they're all common

strange lark
#

Probably still hide breaker

boreal prism
#

are you gonna go through any more tunnels?

elder gale
#

Yeah

#

I clear all the tunnels, i don't skip.

#

Unless there's a good reason to. I do have the Sack

boreal prism
#

jeez, 3 pretty weak boons, hmm. hide breaker can probably save you some health, sure

strange lark
#

In styx there are a lot of armored enemies

proven osprey
#

PP always good

#

Way better than the others

boreal prism
#

the context is that it's a nemesis build with arte attack

proven osprey
#

It's still a small dps increase, the others are quite bad

boreal prism
#

PP could add damage, sure, but if you're sure you're gonna do every tunnel, i think hide breaker does more damage

elder gale
#

Hide Breaker just did work, probably

#

So, good choice

proven osprey
opal lodge
#

hide breaker is pretty terrible lol

#

arty doesnt have many terrible boons but hide breaker is one of them

proven osprey
#

sometimes you take it and you crit a summon, you're like "oh"

#

and usually it does nothing

elder gale
#

GIANT RATS

opal lodge
#

see

#

heres the thing about crits

#

they do a ton of damage

#

overkilling armor doesnt do anything for you

#

LOL

elder gale
#

Actually, screw poison, really

#

Alright, Tiny Vermin dead

#

I am...probably gonna die to Hades with 1 DD and 44 life

#

I have the DD boons from Athena...probably tells you how many I've gone through with 3 at max.

#

5 DD!!

strange lark
#

That's why you shouldn't go through extra tunnels after you find the sack

boreal prism
#

yeah you were probably in a better place right after you got the sack

#

though i understand the urge to hunt every tunnel for wells with kisses in them

elder gale
#

OH, it's the exchange where I don't have to fight him!

strange lark
#

Oh

#

Lmao

boreal prism
#

hehehe, you're gamer!

elder gale
#

Yay

strange lark
#

Perfect timing

#

Dad doesn't want to kill his son

proven osprey
elder gale
#

Yay

elder gale
#

Got a Hazard Bomb for Zagreus aspect, any suggestions for build goals?

cunning urchin
#

Just get any % boon on Special. Ideally Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish.

#

Lightning Strike on Attack.

#

Drunken Strike on Attack can be okay, too.

elder gale
#

@cunning urchin is Area ok on attack?

#

ares*

cunning urchin
#

It's okay as an option to settle on. It's decent if you get Dire Misfortune.

#

Not as good as Lightning Strike, though. That's just really the best Attack.

#

But it's not like you always need "best" to beat the game.

elder gale
#

So, i've never escaped with the spear...what build is a good idea?

#

Okay...Got a few things. working with Zagreus Varatha...
Curse of Pain Rare, Slicing Shot Epic, Blade Dash Rare?

#

Debating Pain and Slicing.

turbid needle
#

I usually just put artemis and aphro together

#

hammers are the most important

eternal osprey
cunning urchin
eternal osprey
#

just sayin... if people talk about the rail's cluster rockets as a thing, then that's the spear equivalent... sorta

eternal osprey
# cunning urchin Not accounting for the Anvil, which is super late in the run anyway, it's a 1.7%...

and where are you getting 1.7% from? I'm assuming that you get to choose between 3 hammers. Did you calculate that as 1/((number of spear hammers)*(number of spear hammers - 1))? cuz that would be representing the fact that that particular combination only represents 1.7% of all possible combinations. Not that you only have a 1.7% chance of having the opportunity to get them both in the same run.

turbid needle
#

i think you have a 32% chance of getting both

#

assuming you get 2 hammers in your run

#

or actually even higher cause i accidentally counted the guan yu hammer

valid prism
#

(3/total hammers)*(3/same total -1), assuming the first hammer doesnt make some hammers unavailable

turbid needle
#

so actually 36.24%

turbid needle
valid prism
#

More like 1/total then?

#

Oh nvm I'm doing bad maths with empty stomach

cunning urchin
#

I already noticed my mistake lol. Anyway.

6/11 to miss both first hammer. 1/11 to see Exploding first and miss Charged second. 12/121 to see Charged first and miss Exploding second. That's 89/121 to not get both, or 32/121 = 26.4% to get both.

#

Well, not accounting for always taking Exploding first if you see both tbh. m too lazy to do that now. dusa

turbid needle
#

its not 6/11 im fairly certain

#

cause you cant have, say, 3 triple jab options in one hammer

#

each hammer option has to be different

#

so the chance of actually getting what you want is actually significantly higher

cunning urchin
#

10/12 * 9/11 * 8/10 = 6/11. That's three failed rolls on the first hammer.

turbid needle
#

aaah ok yeah sorry it looked different in my calculation cause i hadnt simplified

#

whats the 12/121 then?

#

oh thats 2(6/11)(1/11)

cunning urchin
#

I actually don't remember lol. My ADHD is pretty bad recently. I'll make some tea and then look at this properly. dusa

turbid needle
#

no prob

#

ok actually now i think its 12.4 percent lmao

#

aaaah man probability is so complicated

cunning urchin
#

My problem with probability is I always get bored halfway through and then gloss over the numbers without really seeing them anymore.

turbid needle
#

cause ok so theres a 5/11 that you get one of the 2 options in the first hammer, that's all settled. then it doesnt matter which one you choose cause regardless theres gonna be a (10/11)(9/10)(8/9) chance of NOT getting the other option on the second hammer, and that comes to 8/11, so on the second hammer youve got a 3/11 for getting the other hammer, regardless of which one it is. therefore, its 15/121 overall which is .124

turbid needle
cunning urchin
#

Exploding first hammer removes Chain and Vicious from the second hammer.

#

I figured it out.

#

The chance of getting both on Achilles is 0. squirtdevious

turbid needle
#

problem solved

cunning urchin
#

Odds are better on Hades, anyway, because that doesn't have Flurry Jab.

turbid needle
#

so it's .5(15/121) plus .5(5/11)(8/9)(7/8)(6/7) which comes to 21.3%

#

im just sticking to zagreus cause thats what the OP was about

proven osprey
#

21% to get both?

turbid needle
#

yeah

#

about

proven osprey
#

that seems high, no?

turbid needle
#

im sure im probably overlooking something but its around there

turbid needle
#

it sounds about right to me

cunning urchin
# 
C: Charged Skewer
Take E over C.

P(E first) = 1/4
P(C first) = 9/44

P(¬C if 1st hammer E) = 8/9 * 7/8 * 6/7 = 2/3
=> P(C if 1st hammer E) = 1/3

P(¬E if 1st hammer C) = 10/11 * 9/10 * 8/9 = 8/11
=> P(E if 1st hammer C) = 3/11

P(E first, C second) = 1/4 * 1/3 = 1/12 = 8.3%
P(C first, E second) = 9/44 * 3/11 = 27/484 = 5.6%
=> P(E∧C) = 8.3% + 5.6% = 13.9%```
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@turbid needle does that look about right?

proven osprey
#

It's very close to Eris numbers

#

cluster rocket

cunning urchin
#

That's assuming taking Exploding Launcher over Charged Skewer first hammer.

turbid needle
#

yeah i think so

cunning urchin
#

Problem is Eris can start Cluster or Rocket and get a good run. Zag Spear start with Charged Skewer is pretty bad, though.

#

1.7% to get both with AP2. dusa

elder gale
#

Had to restart, but...blugh, I got epic Zeus Special, but on Varatha...seems meh

#

Zagreus form

#

Other choices are electric shot and thunder dash rares.

strange lark
#

do you have rerolls?

elder gale
#

Yea

#

3

strange lark
#

purple or yellow?

elder gale
#

Uh, Yellow? Ones that I can reroll boons

strange lark
#

then reroll the zeus boons

elder gale
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Electric Rare, Lightning reflexes and Billowing Strength Epics
I have Artemis Call

strange lark
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billowing strength

elder gale
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I agree

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Wish I could stream. DX

strange lark
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what boons do you have other than billowing strength and artemis call

elder gale
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Sure Footing Rare as a throwaway Athena and Tempest Strike Epic.

strange lark
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do you have a hammer yet?

elder gale
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No.

strange lark
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ok

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next time you see zeus take a core boon

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that should hopefully get you sea storm

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and also try to get flurry jab from daedalus

elder gale
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Thunder Flourish and Electric Shot Rare, Heaven's Vengence Common. :/

strange lark
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flourish

elder gale
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No reroll?

strange lark
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no

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with thunder flourish you can get sea storm

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which makes your attack stronger

elder gale
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Ooh, Daedelus in shop

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or 125 random boon

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Should I take it? idk if I'm likely to get 3 in that case, or if it's my run's first.

strange lark
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how much money do you have

elder gale
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207

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Furies next

strange lark
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wait did you take daedalus

elder gale
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I don't have one yet

strange lark
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if you didnt you should take it

elder gale
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...Serrated Point, Charged Skewer, Extending Jab

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Jab, I guess?

strange lark
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do you like serrated point

elder gale
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No

strange lark
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oh

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then yeah extending jab

elder gale
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I like dash.

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Is Serrated good? the dash reduction seems blugh'

strange lark
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i like it

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but yeah the dash reduction sucks

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so when i take it i will always look for hermes to give me an extra dash or dash move speed

elder gale
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Probably better as an Elysium Daedelus than a Tartarus.

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Sure Footing is good to purge, right?

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I can get an Ariadne Yarn thingy

strange lark
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do you need to purge a boon?

elder gale
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I need the gold to get a yarn, yeah

strange lark
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yeah sure

elder gale
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Second Wind Rare, Greater Haste and Swift Flourish Epics

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@strange lark

strange lark
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those are all pretty bad

elder gale
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Your username is difficult to @. :/

strange lark
elder gale
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Reroll, or just take an epic?

cunning urchin
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Second Wind is decent.

elder gale
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Still have 2 rerolls

strange lark
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nah take second wind

elder gale
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True Shot and Hunter Dash rares, CLean Kill common, from Charon.

cunning urchin
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Can you upload a screenshot of your current build to imgur or something and link it?

elder gale
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Wat

cunning urchin
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The first one worked for me.

elder gale
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Just...put www. behind it

strange lark
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yeah i saw it

cunning urchin
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Grab True Shot.

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Now it doesn't work lol. Odd.

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Discord things.

elder gale
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Think I got enough to beat Charon?

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Probably have to fight him real slow

cunning urchin
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I mean you can beat him boonless, in theory.

strange lark
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you can fight him but its gonna take a long time

cunning urchin
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The damage in that build is looking pretty poor, admittedly. I don't think it's worth it for your run, but if you think it'll be fun, go ahead.

elder gale
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Tempest Flourish Exchange(Epic), Boiling Point Epic, and Razor Shoals Rare

strange lark
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razor shoals

cunning urchin
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Roll for Dash or Sea Storm.

strange lark
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or you can do that

elder gale
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I have Epic % over Legendary/Duo %

cunning urchin
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Don't take Razor Shoals. You're lacking damage. Razor Shoals isn't doing too much.

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Either way, roll for Dash or Sea Storm.

elder gale
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Only thing that changed is Boiling Point is taken by Sunken Treasure.

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And no more rerolls.

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Well, 1, but not enough for this boon

cunning urchin
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He's offering Tempest Flourish, Sunken Treasure, and Razor Shoals?

elder gale
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Yeah

strange lark
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wait nothing changed

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bruh

cunning urchin
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Shoals I guess lol.

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That's some very bad luck.

elder gale
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袁志宏 won, lol

strange lark
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i always win

cunning urchin
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You had a 10% chance to see an exchange and 90% chance for Tidal Dash lol.

elder gale
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Ay, Eurydice. :)
Orpheus is with her, singing In the Blood

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Not build stuff, just like to share.

strange lark
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nice

cunning urchin
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Final Expense is the song in Charon's Shop

elder gale
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Opinions on Eurydice choice.

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In the blood, I meant.

strange lark
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probably nectar since you dont have sea storm

cunning urchin
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Refreshing Nectar easily.

elder gale
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Ah, I only have 119, can't buy mystery boon. Oh well.

cunning urchin
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Well, Tidal Dash is probably more important than Sea Storm, but yeah, high rarity on Tidal Dash is good.

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Static Discharge would also be a good pick if you see Lord Zeus and he doesn't give you Sea Storm.

rugged falcon
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I love final expense song

small fable
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Recommendations for Shield? I've tried Zeus but I just don't like it (it feels too slow) so I was thinking maybe Beowulf or Chaos but I'm still undecided. I know Beowulf is "slow" too but it looks more interesting

rugged falcon
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I think it makes the fight worth if you end up killed by Charon lolool

strange lark
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then get curse of longing

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or you can do dio special and ares attack

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and get aphro dash

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with those three boons you will hopefully get low tolerance, curse of nausea, and curse of longing

elder gale
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Flurry Jab!

strange lark
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nice

elder gale
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Other choices are Massive Spin (blugh) and Chain Skewer(meh)

strange lark
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yeah flurry jab is the best

elder gale
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Sea Storm!

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Other options are still Thunder Dash and Static Discharge.

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Both Epics

strange lark
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take sea storm

elder gale
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So...okay, this is a question I've had. Are Trial of the Gods worth it?

strange lark
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yeah most of the time

elder gale
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It's that with Poseidon and Athena, or just a High tier Poseidon boon?

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Like, do I want two normal roll boons, or a guaranteed good boon from Poseidon?

cunning urchin
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Good rule of thumb is take trials in Tartarus and Asphodel, skip trials in Elysium.

elder gale
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Okay, yeah, I'm in Elysium

cunning urchin
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Also, typically don't take trials over minibosses.

elder gale
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Wow my Damage is insane

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Hey, Tidal Dash

strange lark
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nice

cunning urchin
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Good, now just get all the poms on Tidal Dash.

elder gale
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Static Discharge Epic, Lighting Rod, Clouded Judgement Rare

strange lark
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static discharge

elder gale
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Do I take pom room over 2nd Hermes room? Hermes is a powerful Boon.

cunning urchin
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Either one.

elder gale
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My Hermes is actually Second Wind, so should probably be Hermes

cunning urchin
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What does that have to do with Second Wind?

elder gale
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I don't have Attack up or Special up or anything

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also, fountain room, score

cunning urchin
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Second Wind is way better than those two.

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You'd want Greatest Reflex, ideally.

elder gale
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Quick Reload and Side Hustle Common, Hyper Sprint Rare, with a reroll.

strange lark
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hyper sprint

cunning urchin
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^

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Not that you'll likely see Rush Delivery anymore anyway, but Hyper Sprint is still decent.

elder gale
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Holy balls, I move so fast

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Any Athena Boons I could aim for, or just a Pom?

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I feel like pom is best choice

cunning urchin
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A mod is def gonna @ you to please not evade the swear filter like that, so you might just wanna change that. dusa

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Yeah, pom is decent.

elder gale
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I mean...It is censored. >.>

cunning urchin
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Just letting you know.

elder gale
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Tempest Strike, Thunder Flourish, or Razor Shoals on Pom

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Probably Tempest Strike? I mean, it's my main source of damage.

cunning urchin
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Shoals.

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Tempest Strike pom scaling sucks.

elder gale
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Ah

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it's going from 3-4 anyways

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Uh, what's last chamber in Elysium?

cunning urchin
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36 is boss.

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35 is shop or free room.

elder gale
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Zeus boon or Shop?

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I got 275

cunning urchin
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Boon.

elder gale
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electric shot exchange(epic), heaven's vengence Epic, Lightning rod.

cunning urchin
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Heaven's Vengeance or Lightning Rod.

elder gale
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into boss? I guess vengence? Idk, neither seems great

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i guess Rod is powerful

cunning urchin
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They're both decent enough.

elder gale
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Wow my damage is insane

cunning urchin
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That was the plan.

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Unfortunate that you didn't get any poms on Tidal Dash yet.

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Well, maybe in the Temple of Styx.

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Make sure you mash your dash button while you hold down attack for higher rate of attack and to get the damage from your dashes.

elder gale
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Hunter dash Exchange (No, i guess), Mirage Shot, or Clean Kill (Helps Cast and Call)

cunning urchin
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Ehhh. Mirage Shot because it's shiny.

honest wing
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what weapon are you running

strange lark
honest wing
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ah nice