#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 875

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:01 PM

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Right. HS and DC2 for the extra challenge are optional.

toxic river Mar 20, 2021, 7:01 PM

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unless it's the poseidon and athena duo

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:01 PM

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um- i don't think i remember such a boon?--

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:01 PM

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It's Unshakable Mettle, yeah.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:02 PM

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oh

toxic river Mar 20, 2021, 7:02 PM

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ok yeah i just wanted to double check

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:02 PM

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You don't get stunned, so you don't get interrupted, either.

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:02 PM

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I gatta say... after working so hard on this game and finally unlocking a companion I am underwhelmed by what they do.

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Some dmg reduction too iirc

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:02 PM

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oh that

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i only ever took it for the boss reduction never for the stun resistance

toxic river Mar 20, 2021, 7:02 PM

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cunning urchin You don't get stunned, so you don't get interrupted, either.

ah ok

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:03 PM

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opal vortex I gatta say... after working so hard on this game and finally unlocking a compan...

Which companion did you get? They become more useful if you spend ambrosia to get more uses per run.

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:03 PM

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The stun resistance is amazing.

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:04 PM

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somber drum Which companion did you get? They become more useful if you spend ambrosia to ge...

Meg. I want to keep my ambrosia for now so I can use it on other people

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:04 PM

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It only had that at first, but a lot of people weren't impressed, so they added damage reduction for boss fights. But it honestly never needed that.

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People just greatly undervalued it.

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:05 PM

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I maxed out Cerberus so far...

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:05 PM

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That's probably one of the more popular companions for speedrunning, you'll get a lot of advice on it I'm sure.

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:05 PM

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I don't really know what I am doing, but I have prioritized nectar and giving it to as many people as possible as often as possible

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:05 PM

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the only time i could think of it being useful is the pillars in dad fight

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 7:07 PM

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opal vortex Meg. I want to keep my ambrosia for now so I can use it on other people

When I first got Meg it was also like that, after you get more uses out of it through upgrading and after you know the ways of effectively using it on minibosses for example, its really handy and ends some fights really fast such as Sneak, Doomstone etc..

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:07 PM

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Speedruns are like 96% Meg and 4% Antos or Than.

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:08 PM

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is sneak the one that vanishes and throws projectiles at you over and over/

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:08 PM

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yes

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:08 PM

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High heat is more like 7-3 Meg vs Antos. Or maybe 8-2.

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 7:08 PM

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Yup, Tartarus Miniboss

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:09 PM

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and who is doomstone

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:09 PM

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and sometimes teleports behind you, ~~says "nothing personal kid"~~ and stabs you

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 7:09 PM

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The other Tartarus miniboss

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:09 PM

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it's the huge stone that spawns a lot of mini crystals and links laser between each other

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:09 PM

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I actually wait for it to teleport behind so I can dash behind and get a bunch of damage in

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:09 PM

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yeah that's the plan, when it teleports behind it doesn't teleport for longer than the other attacks (where it shoots instead of stabs)

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:10 PM

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nothing perso...interupt NOTHING PERSONAL, KID

turbid needle Mar 20, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Am I the only one who thinks encounter rewards are just not worthy?

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:10 PM

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I summon Meg for the Sneak's armor and finish it off after that.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:10 PM

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what do you mean caesar?

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:10 PM

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lol can you imagine DBZ characters just teleporting behind each other until the end of the universe...

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:11 PM

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nothing person- nothing perso- nothing p- n-

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:11 PM

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lmfao

turbid needle Mar 20, 2021, 7:11 PM

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Like 5 gemstones are too few especially when I might not get other gemstones during the rest of the run

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:11 PM

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i assume you're still early game

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those are the meta rewards

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darkness, gemstones, keys and nectars

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that's why they don't give too much, i guess

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:11 PM

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turbid needle Like 5 gemstones are too few especially when I might not get other gemstones dur...

You are correct, they are underwhelming but I have good news

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You actually improve those rewards with permanent upgrades

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:12 PM

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Which fist aspect should I level up first?

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 7:12 PM

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turbid needle Like 5 gemstones are too few especially when I might not get other gemstones dur...

There are upgrades for those later if you dont have them, you kinda choose based on those upgrades, gold from gemstones, pom from nectar and so on.. Because yea later on you dont really need any of those

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:12 PM

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In the meantime fishing is your best bet to get resources.

turbid needle Mar 20, 2021, 7:12 PM

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But that requires almost thousand of gemstones.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:13 PM

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if you want you can save up for vanquisher's keep i find that one of the best ways to get gemstones without even realizing, and also fishing, fishing is great for gems

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:13 PM

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There's also the fated list of minor prophesies, that's a very important source of early game resources.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:13 PM

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oh yeah

turbid needle Mar 20, 2021, 7:14 PM

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out of 5 times I've fished only 1 catch had gemstones.

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:14 PM

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opal vortex Which fist aspect should I level up first?

1st aspects require 5 to max, 2nd and 4th require 15, and the 3rd requires 16. At max level, Demeter Aspect is the most powerful, and then I would say Zag Fists is 2nd, Talos in 3rd, and Gilgamesh in 4th place.

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:14 PM

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You can also trade resources you have in excess to the Wretched Broker.

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:15 PM

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So, I would say either Zag Fists or Demeter Aspect first. Personally, I'd max Zag Fists, then go for Demeter Aspect after that.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:15 PM

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turbid needle out of 5 times I've fished only 1 catch had gemstones.

you get gemstone rewards from fish in tartarus and in styx

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:15 PM

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cunning urchin 1st aspects require 5 to max, 2nd and 4th require 15, and the 3rd requires 16. A...

ok, cool

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Zag Fists and Demeter Aspect play very similar. Talos and Gilgamesh are a bit more unique.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:16 PM

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zag fists you may not have to special as often as demeter but it's a slight difference since you only do a special every 12 hits with demeter or something

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:17 PM

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Does dialogue and fishing and pause screen contribute to the time it takes to clear an encounter as far as the hermes keepsake goes?

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:18 PM

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you can't fish mid encounter, same thing with dialogues

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plume does a boop as soon as the encounter is finished, aka when the last enemy is called, usually the screen kinda slows down and the reward spawns on top of you- that's when an encounter is finished

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:18 PM

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lol ok I guess you're right

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:18 PM

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when the doors open and the wells and the fishing spots ding

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:24 PM

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since the fists have a fash-special do boons that increase "dash-strike" increase that? Like artemis dash/

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:24 PM

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i don't think they do but i haven't tested it out-

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after all it specifically says "strike" but fists is the only one to have dashspecial so i'm not sure

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:25 PM

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Right... it doesn't say "dash-attack"

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it says dash-strike

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:26 PM

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In game things that apply to the special usually say dash-upper and those that apply to attack say dash strike

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:26 PM

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oh...ok

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:26 PM

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thing is fists is the only one with a dash-upper

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so you only see that in hammers (explosive)

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Yeah

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Is it just me or could they have made it less confusing

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:27 PM

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it's probably just attack

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:28 PM

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I love getting Strong Drink as one of my first boons btw. So good

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:29 PM

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yeah

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:29 PM

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They could have made it less confusing but they're trying to walk that line where they avoid referring to the game as an actual game.

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:29 PM

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wait, what?

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They try to not refer to the game as a game?

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I never noticed. lol

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Yeah, like in metal gear solid colonel campbell will tell you in character to press the Action button to enter hanging mode or whatever

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Hades tries to avoid that.

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:32 PM

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I got 8 procs on plume in Tartarus. Is that "worth it"?

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:33 PM

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I would say the plume alone is not that great but if you stack it with dodge boosts then it's worth it.

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I forget how big the boost is per room, 1.2% I think?

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:34 PM

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base is +1

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I am just levelling up keepsakes TBH

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figured zag fists is a good time to do it

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:35 PM

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Yeah, so first of all if you're clearing rooms fast you're probably not taking many hits, so you're really just powering it up

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So you can practically face tank the final boss.

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Which is cool because if you just attack him constantly you'll actually beat him so fast you get one last boost on the plume!

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:37 PM

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usually i reach final boss with ~+30% dodge and speed (with +1.2% every room)

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:37 PM

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Wait keepsakes have boosts?

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:37 PM

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+15% from zag + 20% from hermes i usually have 65% dodge on redacted

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Is dash considered "bonus speed"? Probably not

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Sorry for so many questions...

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 7:41 PM

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opal vortex Is dash considered "bonus speed"? Probably not

You mean if it gets bonus from the Hermes keepsake? The movement speed that you get from the Plume applies to you moving around normally, no dashing, so no, the dash doesnt get the boost, it stays the same

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:41 PM

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Bonus speed is usually movement (non dash) speed, for instance when you take speed curses from chaos your dash distance is unaffected.

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Yea thats a better example

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:42 PM

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There is a hermes boon that gives +dmg based on speed bonus

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So my dash-upper probably isnt affected by that

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but if I took +40% movement speed boon...yeah?

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It kinda sucks that certain cast boons like festive fog get rid of your ability to lodge crystals in enemies and make them take extra damage from your mirror perk...

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Or do less damage/lower their speed

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:45 PM

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For the Hermes boon if I understand you, you're asking if it means you hit harder when you're moving than you're still, right?

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:46 PM

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opal vortex So my dash-upper probably isnt affected by that

your dash isn't faster, but you technically still have the extra speed, just not using it, so rush delivery would still be empowering it i think

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Yeah, all of your attacks are improved. It simply means all of your% boosts to movement speed also now affect your damage.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:48 PM

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like, hyper sprint gives +100% bonus speed for x time

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you deal extra damage during that one second

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:48 PM

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As for casts that do not lodge in my experience they are all balanced in such a way that they do (or can) make up for that missing damage.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:48 PM

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(if you have rush delivery ofc)

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:48 PM

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So you're telling me if you take the hermes boon that gives +dmg based on movement speed your dash-strike is automatically stronger because you're dashing (hence faster) while using it?

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Like festive fog has all kinds of really awesome duos like Scintillating Feast

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:49 PM

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opal vortex So you're telling me if you take the hermes boon that gives +dmg based on moveme...

No, ALL of your attacks are stronger because any boon or keepsake that improves your movement speed now also improves your attack.

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Dash attack, casting while standing still, everything.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:51 PM

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it increases your damage based on how much % extra speed you have, doesn't matter if you're moving or not

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:51 PM

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opal vortex since the fists have a fash-special do boons that increase "dash-strike" increas...

Hunter Dash and Lunge buff Malphon's Dash-Upper, Breaching Cross and Rolling Knuckle do not.

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:52 PM

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And going back to casts that don't lodge bloodstones in enemies, if you take festive fog you would lose that bonus

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:52 PM

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which bonus?-

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wait sorry i think i missed a second discussion lol

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:53 PM

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But with the right boons festive fog will stop enemies in it, reduce your damage, give damage bonus to enemies, so it's like you can get better effects than abyssal or boiling blood.

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:54 PM

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silver summit wait sorry i think i missed a second discussion lol

@opal vortex commented on how some casts like festive fog don't lodge bloodstones in enemies so you don't abyssal or boiling blood effects.

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 7:54 PM

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I think we're miss-communicating a little bit. Probably my fault. Rush Delivery offers extra damage based on any bonus move speed. I'm saying your dash-strikes don't benefit simply because you're dashing, right?

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Dashing IS faster....but it isn't bonus movement speed

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:55 PM

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somber drum <@164950441203859457> commented on how some casts like festive fog don't lodge b...

a yeah i feel like you can get a lot of extra from that with BadNews

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from hermes

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 7:55 PM

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opal vortex Dashing IS faster....but it isn't bonus movement speed

Yeah, exactly. It's the % boosts you will see if you examine your boons, not how fast you're actually moving.

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 8:03 PM

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I feel like I am doing my elysium clears pretty fast but plume isn't activating 😦

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:05 PM

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lol gloves' dash upper doesn't count as triggering my special for the curse of chaos

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I'll take it.

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 8:06 PM

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balmy portal lol gloves' dash upper doesn't count as triggering my special for the curse of c...

Forreal? I wouldn't have guessed that!

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:07 PM

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I wouldn't have either but I wanted to use it against the furies so I just tried dashes and it didn't hurt me 😄

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I know dash uppers have some weird things, like I think they trigger dash attack damage bonuses too

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 8:07 PM

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That's Master Chaos giving a secret wink to their favorite grandson!

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:09 PM

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now if only I could find another chaos fishing point 😛

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if I skip fishing does it count against the spawn of the next one?

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 8:13 PM

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I read somewhere that you can't get a fishing spot in the chaos realm if you've fished in the previous 5 encounters

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:13 PM

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now i'm not sure if that's intended or not, but i'll use it while i can lmao ~~i don't even use special with fists~~

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yeah if you get a fishing spot, you can't get another fishing until after 5 encounters

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saw it in wiki

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:13 PM

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opal vortex I read somewhere that you can't get a fishing spot in the chaos realm if you've ...

yeah; but if I see a spot but don't fish at it

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I guess it probably still counts though

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oh well, I'll find it before I finish farming all the darkness I need 😛

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I just had a really boring fight. One skeleton kept spawning. I kill it. Another spawns. I kill it. Repeat until I've killed 8.

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...then I finally loop around the room and there's four skeletons standing there waiting for me

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 8:16 PM

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Sometimes I don't know which I hate more, the tiny asphodel rooms where it's impossible to keep off the lava or the giant asphodel rooms where enemies get lost.

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:16 PM

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I hate losing the enemies slightly more, personally

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:16 PM

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I hate the lava because i dash a lot lol

ashen heart Mar 20, 2021, 8:17 PM

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same

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:17 PM

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i dislike the big rooms when i have like plume on, but usually, i throw a cast to chase the enemy-

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actually does normal cast chase or does it just turn around randomly

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:17 PM

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it chases slightly

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 8:17 PM

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https://imgur.com/JrDDS6j I'd like to thank everyone in this discord for making this possible

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silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:17 PM

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okay so yeah

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heck yeah splitting bolt

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 8:18 PM

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Please take a "before" and after picture of my dog from when I first got her from the shelter as a reward. https://imgur.com/GrDWFgH https://imgur.com/sHlR4OI

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silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:18 PM

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PUPPER

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unrelated but oh my god thank you i love her

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 8:19 PM

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Splitting bolt is outright
swagger with the right build

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 8:19 PM

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bahahaa i'll get banned for unrelated chat

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I've never used it before (obviously) but we'll see...

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 8:20 PM

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I think your difficulty with levelling the plume is about to be a thing of the past.

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 8:20 PM

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is pressure points worth it if you're also getting a crit modifier on a special ability

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e.g. using guan yu skewer build, you have20% chance to crit, so is pressure points not worth?

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 8:20 PM

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You know how tricky it is to use Support Fire? Splitting bolt is about just as tricky.

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 8:20 PM

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jade estuary is pressure points worth it if you're also getting a crit modifier on a special ...

it's always worth it
because it applies to all damage you do

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 8:21 PM

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what if im only using special

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not really attacking

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:21 PM

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i guess now you have 25% chance of critting

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 8:21 PM

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May as well still grab it if there isn't really any other options

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:21 PM

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(i think it's additive, don't take my word-)

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 8:22 PM

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I believe it's additive

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 8:22 PM

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https://imgur.com/5mYQiJ9 About 60 seconds from grabbing it to killing Theseus. LOL

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void dune Mar 20, 2021, 8:23 PM

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Theseus and Asterius are easy to beat with enough group damage

especially with Zeus

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 8:23 PM

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My plume proc'ed

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just sayin lol

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 8:24 PM

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nice
Also, I think plume has a timer of 30 seconds on normal encounters, and 60 seconds on bosses

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:24 PM

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it really should take into account wave spawn times but I don't think it does

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:24 PM

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now i think this discussion is more oriented for #h1-discussion or does it still fit here? i'm not sure about the difference-

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:25 PM

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like some rooms are just flat terrible because the enemies come in three tiny waves

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the moderators can step in if something veers too far off topic...

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 8:25 PM

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void dune nice Also, I think plume has a timer of 30 seconds on normal encounters, and 60 ...

Good to know! Thank you!

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I think if someone wants to discuss builds it should supersede anything that is slightly off topic. Otherwise why interrupt people having a good time?

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https://imgur.com/Kb8jPCF I forgot to use my newly unlocked companion 😦

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balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:39 PM

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oh no!

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Unrelated. I'm fighting the tiny vermin. My biggest annoyance with it is how it randomly goes invuln

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:44 PM

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it does?-

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oh that's not invuln, i think it's when it's digging down to another location so it feels like you just can't hit it

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:46 PM

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well

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it gets a message that's not damage

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:47 PM

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i'm not sure what that is--

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not sure what you mean

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:49 PM

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I could have sworn I saw a message when I hit it while it was burrowing

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maybe it was something hitting me

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...nah I don't have anything like that

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:51 PM

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i don't know, maybe keep an eye next time?-

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:51 PM

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meh

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if there was something it's connected to gloves

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anyway; the way the glow of the highlight sticks around while the vermin can't be hit is annoying.

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other than that I quite enjoy the fight

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OH

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The word was "IMPERVIOUS!"

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I'm getting it now against Hades 🙂

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and it shows up on the vermin when it's digging. Zzzzz.

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or something?

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:59 PM

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oh yeah impervious is unable to get hit

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but fsr i remember that vermin doesn't become impervious, attacks just phase through it when it's digging

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:59 PM

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yeah that's what the videos had

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 8:59 PM

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might be just my bad memory

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 8:59 PM

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so I have no idea how I was triggering it

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OH

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it's because I inflicted it with drunk

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so I was hitting it while it was unhittable.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:01 PM

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oohh

meager fossil Mar 20, 2021, 9:02 PM

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this build hit very hard, didn't want it to end. https://imgur.com/1EsHoeq

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silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:02 PM

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oooh that's a lot of poseidon

meager fossil Mar 20, 2021, 9:03 PM

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I was shocked Poseidon showed up so many times

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Were you able to actually knock dad around?

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 9:03 PM

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There's one window where you can

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I knocked him out of the arena so far I couldn't hit him one time

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 9:03 PM

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lol, wow!

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 9:03 PM

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if you hit him with a huge kb attack that phases him, he can slide

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 9:03 PM

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You should have gotten video

meager fossil Mar 20, 2021, 9:03 PM

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I didnt knock him but wave pounding hurt him

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 9:04 PM

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balmy portal if you hit him with a huge kb attack that phases him, he can slide

I wonder if this "slide" would cause constant barrier dmg if you knocked him into one of those small pillars that you normally use to avoid his death rays

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 9:05 PM

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he was invuln when he went into it. I did get a picture of him being over there. #h1-victory-boasting message

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if I did it now I'd use the "save last 30 seconds" feature of windows 10 but I don't think I was using 10 at the time

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 9:06 PM

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I have nvidia and windows 10 and I still don't know how to use that junk

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 9:06 PM

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the default input is windows key + alt + G and it will save the last 30 seconds of gameplay for you

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you can modify that time

meager fossil Mar 20, 2021, 9:07 PM

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with nvidia alt Z then click record

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 9:07 PM

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ah, k

meager fossil Mar 20, 2021, 9:07 PM

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but not last 30 seconds, thats pretty sweet

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 9:07 PM

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windows + G brings up the recording thing for me

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which is where the last-30 seconds is built into

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if windows + G doesn't bring something up your system probably doesn't have that...

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I've boosted it to the last minute 😛

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it's like, 60 megs of memory or something? Not bad

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though probably puts a little more strain on my system...

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 9:09 PM

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I should probably just disable that sh*t since I never use it

balmy portal Mar 20, 2021, 9:12 PM

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I've found it's neat to have when something funny happens, I didn't realize how useful being able to record recent history could be

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 9:14 PM

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Yeah I just don't know if I trust that kind of software

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Just another way avenue for people to record my screen when I am logging into my bank account or something

heady peak Mar 20, 2021, 9:26 PM

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16.74 seconds invulnerability sounds good yeah? zagluv
Lv7 heroic athena's aid

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:26 PM

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holy

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on one charge?

heady peak Mar 20, 2021, 9:26 PM

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no of course not
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/398896768399704082/822944220864184360/unknown.png?width=1246&height=701

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 9:27 PM

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What are some good

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Fist builds

heady peak Mar 20, 2021, 9:27 PM

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I like the fast hitting ones, ||Demeter|| Aspect with Zeus Attack and Aphro Special is great

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Him I’ll try

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 9:28 PM

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heady peak I like the fast hitting ones, ||Demeter|| Aspect with Zeus Attack and Aphro Spec...

Any duo boons?

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Or any other boons

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:29 PM

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thank god it's not on one charge that would be dumb just like me

heady peak Mar 20, 2021, 9:31 PM

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@chrome girder ||https://youtu.be/rps0pM7xT50||

YouTube

Knusperkeks

2021 03 20 19 37 51 Smoldering Air Sexy Time

▶ Play video

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 9:32 PM

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heady peak <@!805339580387164220> ||https://youtu.be/rps0pM7xT50||

So only attack and special,

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?

heady peak Mar 20, 2021, 9:33 PM

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Basically yes, and then you can enhance it with more dashes of course always good, make sure to find a way to apply privileged satus reliably

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 9:33 PM

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So hammers

heady peak Mar 20, 2021, 9:34 PM

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I got the hammer that puts a dash strike at the end of the regular attack combo so there is no downtime in attacks

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oh and there is a hammer that allows you to regen 2% max HP after killing something with your special, which is good against rats in ||Styx||

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 9:42 PM

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@nocturne raven this might help with speed. It's a good guide. squirtnya https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU

YouTube

Wriste13

Speedrunning Basics: Mirror, Heat, Builds, and More

I hope you found this guide useful. I intend to put out other more advanced guides, including ones for specific weapons such as Beowulf. All links mentioned in the video are listed below, as well as timestamps. Any questions I'm happy to answer in the comments or on Twitch!

This was streamed at: https://www.twitch.tv/wriste13.
A written version...

▶ Play video

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:42 PM

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good idea putting the speedy man in the thumbnail

heady peak Mar 20, 2021, 9:43 PM

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There are many different ways to play Hades

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I'd try out everything 😄

gusty rapids Mar 20, 2021, 9:45 PM

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this game has QUITE a lot of ways to play it, for sure

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:46 PM

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quiiite a few

clever sentinel Mar 20, 2021, 9:53 PM

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Is there a way to use exagryph entirely on keyboard that anyone knows of? Not keyboard and mouse, just keyboard. I’ve played the game a fair amount so I know how to play it, but I haven’t figured out how to aim without a cursor and I’m wondering if there a way to actually do that?

gusty rapids Mar 20, 2021, 9:54 PM

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use auto aim basically

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keyboard only essentially plays like a controller

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with 8 direction movement

clever sentinel Mar 20, 2021, 9:54 PM

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I have that turned on but it seems to like aiming at my cursor even though I have aim at cursor turned off

gusty rapids Mar 20, 2021, 9:55 PM

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are you referring to the special?

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like the special aiming

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:55 PM

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would it be possible to set, like, arrow keys to move your mouse or something for special?? that's the only way i can think of to not use auto arim

clever sentinel Mar 20, 2021, 9:55 PM

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I think so, yes

gusty rapids Mar 20, 2021, 9:55 PM

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so like

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ive run into that issue

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and i have a bit of a jank solution

clever sentinel Mar 20, 2021, 9:56 PM

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I’ll take it

gusty rapids Mar 20, 2021, 9:56 PM

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what happened to me was that the game seemed to remember where my cursor last was, and then aimed special there

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what i did was go to pause menu, and hit continue only using arrow keys + enter/space, whatever selects the actual continue button

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as long as you select something with your keyboard, not your mouse, the game will shift to using arrow keys for special movement

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i dont know if therse a better way, thats just what i did

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like i said, pretty jank

clever sentinel Mar 20, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Oh, interesting

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I’ll try it

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Thanks

gusty rapids Mar 20, 2021, 9:57 PM

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np, hope it works

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nyaanyaa you've been typing up a storm there

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Fists suck

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Only good build is divine

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:58 PM

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fists are great they're just not your style

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each person has their own style of playing

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Only one I’ve been able to to is the doom build

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With divine dash

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:58 PM

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i always take demeter frost attack and boot up damage

clever sentinel Mar 20, 2021, 9:58 PM

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I love the twin fists

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Demeter frost attack?

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:58 PM

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or i take dodge% (plume)

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 9:58 PM

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I thought it was Zeus attack

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:58 PM

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demeter's frost attack

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 9:59 PM

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How to time special though

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I have level 2 special

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Does that even matter

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:59 PM

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you mean demeter aspect?

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or, what..?

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Yeah

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 9:59 PM

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oh i was talking about her boon, not the aspect

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but you should get a sound and a visual effect on you when it's ready

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and you can use it anytime afterwards to deal extra hits

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(of course, "anytime" within the same room)

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 10:00 PM

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So

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Special isn’t good until level 5

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Right now it seems useless

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:00 PM

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it's still pretty good but at level 5 it's better, i guess, yeah

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i personally use zag fists

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 10:01 PM

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chrome girder Fist builds

Heartbreak Flourish > Lightning Strike + Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air. Also look for Splitting Bolt, Static Discharge, and Billowing Strength. Divine Dash, Tidal Dash, Hunter Dash, Blade Dash are all good. Thunder Dash is great only if you have Splitting Bolt. Put all poms into #1 Zeus' Aid and #2 Static Discharge. I like Pom Blossom from Elysium on because everything in the build benefits so much from poms. Support Fire is always great, too.

Heartbreak Flourish > Zeus' Aid + Curse of Agony > Smoldering Air + Curse of Longing. Very similar to the above.

Curse of Agony > Divine Flourish + Divine Dash > Merciful End. Also look for Impending Doom and Blinding Flash. Poms all go into Curse of Agony and Impending Doom. God's Legacy and God's Pride can both work.

Divine Strike + Deadly Flourish > Deadly Reversal. Hunter Dash or Divine Dash. Also look for Support Fire, Hunter's Mark, Blinding Flash, and Brilliant Riposte. Poms all go into Deadly Flourish + Hunter's Mark. Dionysus' Aid + Splitting Headache and Calculated Risk is also very nice for this, alternatively Athena's Aid or Artemis' Aid can do some work.

Lightning Strike > Deadly Flourish > Storm Lightning + Static Discharge > Splitting Bolt. Also look for Support Fire. Goes well with Passion Dash + Heart Rend, which can also unlock Smoldering Air. More Dash-Upper damage than the first build, but you lose a lot of the synergy that Lady Aphrodite offers.

Hammer priority is Breaching Cross > Kinetic Launcher + Explosive Upper > Rolling Knuckle > anything else.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:01 PM

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sometimes i take plume, dodge% is fun to do

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ah geez nyaanyaa is popping off with the useful paragraphs that i couldn't ever compare to-

gusty rapids Mar 20, 2021, 10:01 PM

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is kinetic actually as good as explosive

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:01 PM

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i'm just saying what i find fun, not the best builds xd

gusty rapids Mar 20, 2021, 10:01 PM

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i dont play fists much, so just wondering

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Might be better than Explosive Upper. Still undecided.

gusty rapids Mar 20, 2021, 10:02 PM

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interesting

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 10:02 PM

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cunning urchin Might be better than Explosive Upper. Still undecided.

I’ve used merciful end

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It barely fails if you have full build

gusty rapids Mar 20, 2021, 10:02 PM

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yeah its quite powerful

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 10:02 PM

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I just wanted to try something else

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 10:02 PM

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All of these builds can carry a run.

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 10:02 PM

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I don’t know if any of the other fist builds are as strong

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:02 PM

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i usually take aphro or demeter since they're the best 2 damage% and then take anything that makes my attack stronger: chaos strike, charon cyclops jerky, sweet surrender(?) if aphro or other chill-related boons

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they don't have to be as strong for them to work on low heats

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it's kinda just about how you play with them i suppose, again, on low heats-

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 10:03 PM

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Heat 15

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:03 PM

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i'm personally on heat 19 rn i mean i beat heat 18 with fists

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haven't played since

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also how are you on heat 15 if you think it's bad like you already beat 14 heat levels that's not bad if you ask me

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 10:04 PM

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ME has a higher top end but worse average and less consistency than some of these builds.

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 10:04 PM

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I’ve just been merciful end

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I force it

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 10:05 PM

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I've never liked ME on Malphon. It's boring.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:05 PM

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i tried it but it didn't quite work out for me

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that was my first time trying out ME though i guess

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 10:06 PM

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cunning urchin I've never liked ME on Malphon. It's boring.

After a while yeah

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It’s easy to use

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All you have to do is survive til you get divine dash

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And Me

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:07 PM

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oh yeah i only got ME right before hades fight so i was already ded

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 10:09 PM

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Anyway, all of these builds have very high DPS except for the Deadly Reversal build, that one is a slow starter. It can go reasonably high, though, but doesn't have the same top end.

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It's very safe, though.

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That's been more or less my go-to build for high heat, in the past.

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I'd take Divine Dash over Divine Strike at high heat, though, for my first boon, unless the Divine Strike is Epic.

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 10:16 PM

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For the first time I kept attacking hades while he did his 360 death beam thing because I thought I could facetank it and kill him faster... I think it worked

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It would be hilarious if holding down shield and having divine strike bounced back the beams...

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 10:18 PM

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lol unfortunately it doesn't.

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You could Deflect his spin for a time in Early Access.

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And bosses didn't take reduced damage from Deflect then, either.

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Sadly, they saw me abuse Deflect in all my high heat runs and nerfed my go-to Malphon build a lot. squirtooh

gusty rapids Mar 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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pain.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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that reminds me

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in EM4, if i drop him down to 0HP during his laser shot, he doesn't stop until the laser attack is finished because there's a 3rd phase? i tried to face tank like 2 laser hits because he was 1 attack away from dying but ended up costing a DD and a run because of it (he only turned inv and fell down/initiated 3rd phase after finishing the attack instead of when dropping to 0HP)

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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There are some funky interactions like that sometimes. I'd F10 that. Don't think it's intentional.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:32 PM

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oh?

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well, run's old by now, was my first EM4

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also one time i tried to use F10 the email wouldn't send, probably my bad internet but i was able to talk in discord properly so idk

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 10:35 PM

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If F10 doesn't work, you can tell them in #h1-tech-support or send them an email and attach your Hades.log and temp save.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:36 PM

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thanks in advance if i may ever use that, though i don't think i can for an old run?

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should i report the old run somewhere..? somehow?

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 10:38 PM

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I dunno how long ago that was, might have been patched out now. But you can F10 and just explain what happened.

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My own policy is I'd rather F10 unnecessarily than not F10 something they might have missed.

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F10 is always the best way to report bugs because it puts all their bug reports in one place.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:40 PM

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i don't think there's been an update since, it's not like old but it's old enough that i probably don't have an auto back up for it or something of the sort

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also like yeah the one time i tried f10 it didn't work so i didn't think of it but thanks for letting me know it's not too much of an annoyance

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 10:41 PM

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They pushed a lot of mini-patches for awhile. Don't know about recently.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:42 PM

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i think i've downloaded one update on steam since i got the game, but that was before i tried em4

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i've only had the game for less than a month at most, prob 2-3 weeks

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Oh yeah, then probably not.

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The test branch has some bug fixes that aren't live in the main branch yet.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 11:07 PM

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if i were to use ME on fists (or anything really) would the boon that stacks doom multiple times be good if i couldn't activate it (aka use deflects) often?

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it would make sense but, just making sure

slim lynx Mar 20, 2021, 11:19 PM

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cunning urchin I've never liked ME on Malphon. It's boring.

^^^ this ngl

clever sentinel Mar 20, 2021, 11:25 PM

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gusty rapids what i did was go to pause menu, and hit continue only using arrow keys + enter...

This worked really well! I just got through Hades himself with exagryph!

gusty rapids Mar 20, 2021, 11:25 PM

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sweet! glad it worked out

opal lodge Mar 20, 2021, 11:27 PM

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why does croven have disciples smh

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 11:34 PM

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just found out about the dps capture tool - is there a place to look up what "ArtemisLegendary" is? https://i.imgur.com/cczbxf8.png

Imgur

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 11:35 PM

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artemislegendary? that's odd-

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maybe it's damage from casts given from her..????????

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 11:35 PM

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could it be heart rend?

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talos fist, artemis special, aphro cast

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 11:37 PM

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folks what's a better aspect: arthur or gilgamesh?

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trying to decide what to unlock first

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 11:37 PM

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sweet hornet just found out about the dps capture tool - is there a place to look up what "Ar...

ArtemisLegendary is Support Fire.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 11:37 PM

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probably arthur, gilgamesh is pretty hard to use

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 11:37 PM

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That used to be her legendary, so it's still called that in the code.

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 11:37 PM

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ooooh thank you!

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 11:38 PM

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oh dang

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 11:38 PM

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ZeusAttackBolt is Jolted.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 11:38 PM

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how much damage did every arrow deal before?-

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 11:38 PM

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is there a place to look that up? google isn't giving me much

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 11:38 PM

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I don't think so.

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 11:38 PM

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what about LightningStrikeX?

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 11:38 PM

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Zeus' Aid.

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 11:39 PM

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thanks

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 11:40 PM

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sweet hornet is there a place to look that up? google isn't giving me much

Not that I know of. You can look at the .lua scripts, though.

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 11:40 PM

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yeah doing a full text search in vscode yields a lot of hits

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trying to parse the json files

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 12:00 AM

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How do you use the dps capture tool

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am i shadow banned for swearing?

hybrid fractal Mar 21, 2021, 12:28 AM

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no

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 12:29 AM

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@opal vortex the DPS meter is from ellomenop. You can just google for it, it's easy to find. The Hades Modding server is pinned in #self-promotion.

forest marsh Mar 21, 2021, 1:02 AM

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Don't try to evade the swear filter, please

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Choose a different word rather than "censoring" the swear

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:10 AM

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WOW who would have thought that taking -50% dash distance would have made me lose in Elysium on heat 4!?

forest marsh Mar 21, 2021, 1:11 AM

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Yeah it's rough

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Easily one of the hardest Chaos curses

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:11 AM

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I mean... I was trying the pact that gave +20% move and attack speed on mobs for the first time so my timing couldn have been off

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but for REAL there is no reason I should have died

forest marsh Mar 21, 2021, 1:12 AM

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On paper it might not sound like much, but losing that dash distance is incredibly punishing unless you're very good at empty dashing through attacks

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:12 AM

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well maybe I need to get good at that

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Lightning rod requires Infernal soul... are there any boons that require Stygian soul?

forest marsh Mar 21, 2021, 1:18 AM

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Hermes other legendary

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(Bad News)

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:19 AM

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interesting

forest marsh Mar 21, 2021, 1:19 AM

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And Auto Reload I guess (also Hermes)

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:21 AM

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Can you imagine autoreload + ares cast + artemis + ares/artemes duo?

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just send a bunch of heat seeking blenders into the frey

forest marsh Mar 21, 2021, 1:21 AM

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If you're theory-crafting, throw in Bad News, Mirage Shot, Fully Loaded, and some Chaos +1 cast for good measure

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Plus all of Ares' blade rift related tier 2/3 boons

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:22 AM

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it would probably get hung up on corners and stuff

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don't know if it would actually matter though....

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could you even cast fast enough to run out of casts?

forest marsh Mar 21, 2021, 1:25 AM

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If you get enough casts, you can continually cast without running out yes

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I think you need 4 depending on Auto Reload rarity

slim lynx Mar 21, 2021, 1:35 AM

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bad news on trippy/slicing/crystal 😩 👌

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:38 AM

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aspect of lucifer has a weird quirk where if you're standing still when you begin to reload it prevents you moving forward for a bit, but if you're running when you begin to reload it doesn't make you stop

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:44 AM

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What are some tips for fighting theseus and asterius with the bow T_T

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I usually use aspect of rama but advice for all modes is welcome

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Specifically for theseus, he keeps blocking all my attacks

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:45 AM

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stay at a distance and he'll throw the spear

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dash to the side to avoid it (So you don't get caught when he pulls it back) and he walks away for a bit after

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he's not blocking then

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:45 AM

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Ah ok

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:46 AM

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he always walks away after throwing it

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:46 AM

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you can also unload damage right after he phases, while he's posing

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:46 AM

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Is that enough time to charge a shot or should i not go for a full draw

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:46 AM

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you should be able to get one charge shot in, I think

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:46 AM

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If you have athena dash you can reflect it back in his face

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:46 AM

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unless you've got slower draws

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:46 AM

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Gotcha gotcha

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:48 AM

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also, kill the bull before getting Theseus down to 50%

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:49 AM

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Yeah thats usually my strategy

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:49 AM

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it's a general strategy, but if I have a call I like to build it on the bull and first 50% of theseus and use the greater call on theseus right after he phases

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:49 AM

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Mainly because i find theseus wrecks me less if i lose track of him

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:49 AM

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since he's just standing there not shielding for ages

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:49 AM

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Yeah haha

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:50 AM

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depends on the call and the rest of my build of course

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sometimes it's just too juicy to hit both of them at once

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:50 AM

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With the sword i can usually get him really low during the phase change, im just really slow with the bow

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I swear to god most of my theseus damage comes from casts lol

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:52 AM

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dash strikes charge faster than regular attacks

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I assume you knew that, but...

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sometimes it's helpful for popping off a fast hit

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 1:53 AM

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slate salmon Specifically for theseus, he keeps blocking all my attacks

Tap up on d-pad and immediately summon Meg, double-dash behind Theseus and Cast at him for Boiling Blood, throw another Cast at Asterius (unless you have Stygian Soul), keep dashing behind Theseus for Dash-Strike Power Shots and try to line him up with Asterius as much as possible. Be ready to empty-dash through Theseus when you see Theseus's spin or Asterius's bull charge. After Theseus phases, just keep Dash-Striking him as much as possible, he won't have his guard up at all during his first Call.

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That's for Zag Bow, anyway. Hera is pretty much the same except you load your casts whenever possible.

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:54 AM

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I just watched a guy re-roll when he got a legendary. Wow....

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:54 AM

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depends on the legendary

slim lynx Mar 21, 2021, 1:54 AM

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yeah depends

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 1:54 AM

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Sometimes you just don't need it for your build.

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:54 AM

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there's at least one that I'll actively never take, and another couple that are situational

slim lynx Mar 21, 2021, 1:54 AM

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fully loaded on a merciful end fists build? no thanks

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i'll at least sell it if i can, that's like 455 obols

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:54 AM

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Lmao i half expect turning down a legendary/duo to get the god to attack you like in a trial

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:55 AM

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I wish whichever god you selected first at a trial had improved boon rarity

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:55 AM

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Also thank you nyaa! I'll try it next time

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:55 AM

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as it is I only pick based on the difficulty of their trials

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:55 AM

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Same

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Though it is satisfying when i get a call and immediately use it against the other god

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Rank the trials from hardest to easiest

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:56 AM

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I really like using the call of the god that's trialing me 😛

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:56 AM

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I usually avoid Aphro

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:56 AM

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I find posiedon/aphrodite hardest

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Same attack just different colors

turbid mist Mar 21, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Yup, I agree

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:56 AM

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aphros is easier to dodge but has a nasty tendency to spawn right on you

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Athena's is more annoying than difficult imo, but i still avoid her

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:56 AM

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those are the two hardest for me imo

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Athena's is the easiest, I always take it

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because she just makes enemies occasionally invuln and often I can knock them out of her bubble anyway...

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no threat

turbid mist Mar 21, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Easiest is probably Dionysus for me, or Athena

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Dio is harder than Zeus/Artemis/Ares for me, because of how his fields linger

slim lynx Mar 21, 2021, 1:57 AM

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athena when you're struggling to keep up with td3 in elysium is p a i n

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Demeter is probably the hardest "dont go to that area on the ground" for me

turbid mist Mar 21, 2021, 1:58 AM

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I can´t remember the last time I pissed Demeter off lmfao

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 1:58 AM

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Keep in mind the Theseus & Asterius fight is a whole lot easier if you know how to get high DPS builds. If your build lacks damage, you're gonna have to put up a lot longer with them.

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:58 AM

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Demeter has, historically, not taken to being pissed off very well

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 1:58 AM

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I'd go with: Poseidon/Aphro, Demeter, Dio, Ares/Artemis/Zeus, Athena

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(left is hardest)

slim lynx Mar 21, 2021, 1:59 AM

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slate salmon Demeter has, historically, not taken to being pissed off very well

i mean yeah, it is quite evident 💀

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and you don't wanna mess with the same lady who wielded which is regarded the best aspect of malphon overall

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 1:59 AM

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I'd agree with that hardest to easiest ranking, but i still avoid athena because i usually just go feral lol

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 2:00 AM

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lol

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that's fair 😄

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and that's not necessarily at high heat

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high heat makes what enemies you're going to face matter much more

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 2:00 AM

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True true

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I m still at heat 7 with my main weapon :P

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 2:02 AM

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I got them all up a ways but it was by skipping heat levels and just smashing my face into the wall until I found a setup that worked for me 😛

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 2:03 AM

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Only evil people have encountered Lady Aphrodite's trial.

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 2:03 AM

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I've taken it when it's poseidon vs aphrodite

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something of a coin toss there

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 2:04 AM

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You're evil.

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 2:04 AM

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poseidon's is much easier if using aspect of excalibur though

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 2:04 AM

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Not talking to you anymore. zfiestAngry

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 2:06 AM

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that's alright, I'm a little hesitant to talk to someone so clearly completely beguiled by Aphrodite 😉

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 2:06 AM

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One time i got a choice between aphrodite and athena. My only regret was that i wasnt using hera's bow

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 2:06 AM

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haha

slate salmon Mar 21, 2021, 2:07 AM

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Did have achilles's bracelet though

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 2:12 AM

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Is there any major difference between a KB+M and controller user if they're both good players who maybe just plays til the epilogue?

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I'm not trying to be a speedrunner, but I don't want to be majorly handicapped

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 2:14 AM

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poseiden's is a lot easier for me than aphros

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 2:14 AM

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KB+M I believe has some advantages for gun users, primarily; also with targeted casts

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(trippy shot)

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but I find I have better reactions using gamepad

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I know some people switch based on which weapon they're using

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 2:16 AM

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I am pretty good at dash-cancelling on Stygian blade with KB+M

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Like, I can "dash" backward and still dash-strike

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 2:16 AM

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so yeah, you won't be particularly handicapped using M+KB 🙂

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(or at all?)

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 2:16 AM

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ok cool

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i played DS3 with KB+M too

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 2:26 AM

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when you get a poseidon boost to lucifer attack, also find zeus in tartarus, then spend all run failing to get a lightning super soaker 😦 (they refused to give me Sea Storm)

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 2:30 AM

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What heat?

balmy portal Mar 21, 2021, 2:31 AM

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Just a heat zero darkness farm. Mind you I didn't find any good darkness gain buffs either. Overall it was super disappointing

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At least charon sold me a titan blood

sleek quarry Mar 21, 2021, 6:34 AM

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what hidden aspect worth upgrading?

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 6:36 AM

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Whichever you find fun.

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As far as "meta" goes, Spear, Shield, and Bow have the strongest 4th Aspects.

sour temple Mar 21, 2021, 6:37 AM

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Honestly Rama might be the easiest

sleek quarry Mar 21, 2021, 6:37 AM

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Rama and Guan yu?

sour temple Mar 21, 2021, 6:37 AM

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And one of the most fun

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Guan Yu is tough and decreases your health

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And it's not so nice to play until you max it out

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And the healing spins are hard to hit

jovial jasper Mar 21, 2021, 6:39 AM

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Yeah I didn't play it at all until I maxed it

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 6:48 AM

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Excalibur is also incredibly strong up to like 40+ Heat.

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One of the easiest aspects for 32 and anything below for sure.

sleek quarry Mar 21, 2021, 6:49 AM

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cunning urchin One of the easiest aspects for 32 and anything below for sure.

i really like excalibur

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one of my favorite weapons

fierce bronze Mar 21, 2021, 6:49 AM

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How do i get lucifer aaaah

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Zeus keeps making small talk

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Hate it here

sleek quarry Mar 21, 2021, 6:51 AM

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fierce bronze How do i get lucifer aaaah

lvl your rail to 3

fierce bronze Mar 21, 2021, 6:51 AM

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I did

sleek quarry Mar 21, 2021, 6:51 AM

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and just wear zeus ring

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every run

fierce bronze Mar 21, 2021, 6:51 AM

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Its already lvl 5

sleek quarry Mar 21, 2021, 6:52 AM

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always check your weapon stash

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 6:52 AM

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If you meet the requirements for the dialogue, just gotta keep talking to him. Nothing more to it.

fierce bronze Mar 21, 2021, 6:52 AM

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He doesnt say the waking phrase so theres not much use checking it

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Ok

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 6:53 AM

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If you really want to speed things up, just start your runs with the Thunder Signet and keep dying after you pick up his first boon.

fierce bronze Mar 21, 2021, 6:56 AM

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Oh i just got it

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Lol

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 6:56 AM

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Congratulations. dusa

fierce bronze Mar 21, 2021, 6:59 AM

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Ty

fringe summit Mar 21, 2021, 9:32 AM

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Any tips on a good Eris Rail build?

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 9:37 AM

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Need one for Nemesis sword

robust anchor Mar 21, 2021, 9:40 AM

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fringe summit Any tips on a good Eris Rail build?

zeus atk and whatever you want. pos dash really popular bc eris buff is global. also try to get your favorite dps call

robust anchor Mar 21, 2021, 9:40 AM

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turbid needle Need one for Nemesis sword

art atk aph special or reverse and heart rend. also go for ath or art dash

fringe summit Mar 21, 2021, 9:40 AM

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Cheers, will try it out. Currently on my first Rama Bow run 😄

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 10:11 AM

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robust anchor art atk aph special or reverse and heart rend. also go for ath or art dash

Thanks! I’ll try it out soon.

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I broke through the 4th area for the first time after 25 failed runs

fringe summit Mar 21, 2021, 10:13 AM

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It's normal. You will probably fail a few times on the final boss as well. Give it some runs, and you'll make it

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 10:13 AM

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Yea, slow improvement but I’m getting it.

honest wing Mar 21, 2021, 10:15 AM

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the total best ultimate build for eris is probably zeus attack + jolted + storm lightning + plus splitting bolt, pos dash + some random pos tier 2s (razor shoals if priv stat) + sea storm, cluster rocket hammer with artemis special and artemis tier 2s like hunter's mark and clean kill (maybe PP and support fire also) and demeter's aid + cold fusion

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 10:17 AM

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I have a good time with using Poseidon for my rail, I have to check which aspect I unlocked for it.

limber cloak Mar 21, 2021, 10:51 AM

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honest wing the total best ultimate build for eris is probably zeus attack + jolted + storm ...

demeter aid what

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dem aid is like the worst lol

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cold fusion is also bad

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because youre applying jolted every 0.2s

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if we're going for dream build, its probably just zeus aid w/ smoldering air

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or dad call

slim lynx Mar 21, 2021, 11:02 AM

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you really don't need cold fusion since you're constantly applying jolted with your attack already

limber cloak Mar 21, 2021, 11:02 AM

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Yeah

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Eris is also amazing with dio attack and curse of nausea and low tolerance

slim lynx Mar 21, 2021, 11:18 AM

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hangover is also affected by the damage boost right?

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 11:20 AM

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probably, since it's global?

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 11:55 AM

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fringe summit Any tips on a good Eris Rail build?

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

Hades Speedrunning

Lili

Eris Rail Guide

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 12:19 PM

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Whoops, yes, I did unlock Eris rail.

fierce bronze Mar 21, 2021, 12:35 PM

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Whats max level for aspects

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 12:36 PM

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5

fierce bronze Mar 21, 2021, 12:37 PM

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Ic

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Thanks

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Also is arthur good

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I did a run with it just now, pretty fun

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 12:37 PM

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arthur is slow and somewhat hard to use but it's actually pretty good once you get the hang of it, maybe the best of the swords

fierce bronze Mar 21, 2021, 12:37 PM

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Dunno if its optimal tho

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O ok

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 12:37 PM

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i don't think there really is an "optimal" but i don't know much honestly ^^"

fierce bronze Mar 21, 2021, 12:38 PM

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Ok ty

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 12:48 PM

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Excalibur is really really good.

topaz vault Mar 21, 2021, 1:07 PM

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silver summit arthur is slow and somewhat hard to use but it's actually pretty good once you g...

Arthur has such long range and just wrecks if you can get the armour breaker upgrade for it. Combined with a nice special (athene or dio) and you are on to a winner

magic rivet Mar 21, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Arthur is also nice with the Backstab hammer

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 1:08 PM

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i'm probably not the one to ping here

magic rivet Mar 21, 2021, 1:08 PM

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Since it has such a high base damage and you're already dashing through enemies between the combo

patent raven Mar 21, 2021, 1:10 PM

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Dang. Had 10:11 after the duo (PB is 13:40-ish). Then I got 5-sacked at Styx.

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 1:11 PM

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ripp

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"better luck next time"

patent raven Mar 21, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Oh no, I made it. But in 17:30-ish.

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I didn’t have an ideal loadout, anyway. I was using Zagreus Shield, and I was hoping for Double Strike. Didn’t get it.

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(Zagreus Shield just works for me, speed-wise)

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 1:17 PM

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oh i thought you were shooting for sub10

patent raven Mar 21, 2021, 1:18 PM

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No, just a PB. My ultimate goal is a single sub-10 run. But I’m not there yet.

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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you were 12 seconds from it so you're pretty close if you ask me

patent raven Mar 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Forced Overtime is the one that makes the enemies appear quicker, right?

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 1:19 PM

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yeah

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you shouldn't pick TD though because it disable survival rooms which freeze your timer (so does Than, and NPC rooms, but not shops and chaos, though those are extremely short to the point it's worth it)

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:37 PM

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silver summit you shouldn't pick TD though because it disable survival rooms which freeze your...

Wait...what? Tight Deadline disables survival rooms?

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 1:37 PM

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the more you know

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but yeah

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:38 PM

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And that's bad?

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 1:38 PM

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for speedruns

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IGT speedruns

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cuz survival rooms freeze timer

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so it's practically a free/empty room for the in game timer

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:38 PM

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I see...and speedrunners only care about the in game timer evidently

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 1:39 PM

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some people like to run RTA

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real time

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but mostly it's IGT yeah

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i see people taking EM2 FO2 for speedruns- FO2 is obvious, faster spawns, EM2 is because Lernie's mini heads are closer so you can kill lernie faster

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:39 PM

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99.9% of gamers aren't speedrunners so shrug

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 1:40 PM

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i'm just giving the information i suppose

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if you wanna get a sub 10 just giving you tips?

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sorry

opal vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:40 PM

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lol it's all good

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 1:51 PM

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patent raven No, just a PB. My ultimate goal is a single sub-10 run. But I’m not there yet.

We've been talking about speeding things up for sub 10 for quite a while in #h1-high-heat-strategies if you want to take a look at that.

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This guide is also really good. https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU

YouTube

Wriste13

Speedrunning Basics: Mirror, Heat, Builds, and More

I hope you found this guide useful. I intend to put out other more advanced guides, including ones for specific weapons such as Beowulf. All links mentioned in the video are listed below, as well as timestamps. Any questions I'm happy to answer in the comments or on Twitch!

This was streamed at: https://www.twitch.tv/wriste13.
A written version...

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patent raven Mar 21, 2021, 1:51 PM

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Thank you!

magic rivet Mar 21, 2021, 2:05 PM

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I think rta only matters if you miraculously tie with someone else

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 2:25 PM

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RTA matters for 3 weapons runs and races.

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You can also sort the any heat leaderboard by RTA and go by that. Nothing wrong with that.

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 2:31 PM

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some people just prefer it and aren't actually going for WR which is why i included it ^^"

limber cloak Mar 21, 2021, 2:38 PM

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magic rivet I think rta only matters if you miraculously tie with someone else

nope, ties just get the same no. on the leaderboard

idle carbon Mar 21, 2021, 3:01 PM

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I'm definitely doing something wrong cuz I keep getting 11-12 mins no matter what

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gotta find that wrong thing and fix it

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also watch the wr run it actually helped me a lot

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like the actual record

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Practice, practice, practice. squirtnya

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 3:15 PM

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idle carbon I'm definitely doing something wrong cuz I keep getting 11-12 mins no matter wha...

This guide will help you. squirtnya https://youtu.be/SlCRfTmBSGs

YouTube

LuCkyvideo

Fatal1ty - Practice time - By Mr Positivity

Check this Artist ! : www.positivity.be.cx !

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limber cloak Mar 21, 2021, 3:17 PM

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idle carbon also watch the wr run it actually helped me a lot

have you read lili's guide

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https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

Hades Speedrunning

Lili

Eris Rail Guide

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its on eris rail, but its very useful for other aspects as well

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also youre not doing anything wrong, but as nya said, its just practice

jovial fulcrum Mar 21, 2021, 3:29 PM

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lol this is like the third time today i've seen this linked

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why so popular all of a sudden

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 3:30 PM

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it's one person sends it and the others keep using it too

hearty elbow Mar 21, 2021, 3:37 PM

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I keep clicking this hoping it's as dank as the Rama guide. But it's not 😦

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https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/rama-bow-guide/

Hades Speedrunning

Lili

Rama Bow Guide

coral cave Mar 21, 2021, 3:45 PM

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Great guide

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Why have I never thought of using Rama like that

worldly pier Mar 21, 2021, 3:59 PM

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Great advice there

heavy chasm Mar 21, 2021, 4:15 PM

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I would love to see a Fist guide, tbh. I keep getting to the last boss, and at that point have issues. I know I also need to practice the age old art of "gitting gud".

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 4:15 PM

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worldly pier Great advice there

I sense a conflict of interest in this review.

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#h1-builds-and-combat message

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#h1-high-heat-strategies message

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@heavy chasm there you go.

heavy chasm Mar 21, 2021, 4:17 PM

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Oh. Hey, thank you!

idle carbon Mar 21, 2021, 5:03 PM

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limber cloak have you read lili's guide

yeah I read the guide, also watched the full run

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helped a lot really, I didn't know cluster + rocket was that good

limber cloak Mar 21, 2021, 5:04 PM

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cluster rockets is amazing, but not at all needed really

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the 2nd time on the board doesnt have cluster rockets, which is a 6:06

idle carbon Mar 21, 2021, 5:05 PM

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does it have triple

limber cloak Mar 21, 2021, 5:05 PM

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so dont just abandon a run if you dont get cluster rockets

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i forget which hammers it has, i think it has targeting

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also, its important to know which hammers are bad

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spread fire, explosive, seeking delta and hazard are all bad hammers

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might be some which im missing

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ricochet also doesnt do anything, but its not as bad as the others

idle carbon Mar 21, 2021, 5:11 PM

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yeah I never pick those

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I do pick hazard though

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on hestia

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or

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was it zag

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I don't pick it on eris tho yea

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only for challenge

lime jolt Mar 21, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Hazard is v. good on hestia

heady peak Mar 21, 2021, 5:31 PM

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I'm a noob to spears, is there a guide to check out for people that just want to get through heats 1-20 for the rewards quickly?

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 5:34 PM

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heady peak I'm a noob to spears, is there a guide to check out for people that just want to...

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmj6-vxquxwS0UXHEpzhS8ExlDs3Z-yku

YouTube

Guides

heady peak Mar 21, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Okay. Then I'll check it out. Thanks!

rich dust Mar 21, 2021, 6:05 PM

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I generally hate the shield but i think i'm slowly falling in love with beowulf

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662538876241575968/823255941746917376/unknown.png

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what are some OP combinations with this?

valid dagger Mar 21, 2021, 6:06 PM

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Flood flare mirage shot is my go to

knotty quarry Mar 21, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Hi everyone, I'm really hesitating between two memories, that of the butterfly which adds two percent of damage for having made a room without suffering damage, and the memory which gives a grenade every 4 fights. Both look good but I wonder which of the two memories can do the most damage knowing that I have about twenty percent more damage for the butterfly memory on a run. I would like to have a run with 32 heats.

opal lodge Mar 21, 2021, 6:52 PM

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butterfly is pretty terrible tbh

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its additive damage

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on top of all your other additive modifiers

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 6:53 PM

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Pom Blossom/The Flower is better in a lot of cases. The Butterfly is hard to make good, especially on high heat like 32

opal lodge Mar 21, 2021, 6:54 PM

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the butterfly is basically only ever picked as a flex for hitless runs

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or to get the steam achievement

knotty quarry Mar 21, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Ok thanks guys

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 6:56 PM

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opal lodge the butterfly is basically only ever picked as a flex for hitless runs

i mean it does make hitless runs ever so slightly better, wouldn't it be the best?

knotty quarry Mar 21, 2021, 6:57 PM

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but the butterfly that increases our damage is only on our starting weapon, or for example if we take Poseidon and increase our attack by 60 percent, the additional damage percentages will apply to the base weapon + poseidon. I don't know if I'm clear xD

opal lodge Mar 21, 2021, 6:57 PM

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thats just not the case

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 6:57 PM

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it increases all damage

opal lodge Mar 21, 2021, 6:58 PM

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the way the game calculates damage its

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 6:58 PM

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including from boons from gods

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i think that's what they mean?

opal lodge Mar 21, 2021, 6:58 PM

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base dmg (1+ modifiers)

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so in the case of the poseidon boon

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it would be the base dmg of the rail, multiplied by (poseidon bonus + butterly bonus +1)

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which is basically nothing when you factor in family favorite/priv stat, etc

knotty quarry Mar 21, 2021, 7:00 PM

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Yeah it's true that it's not huge xD, ok thanks

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And for heat 32, which weapons do you recommend? I hesitate between the sword and those critical hits, or the spear and its spear which for 10 sec greatly increases the damage. Or a another weapon?

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 7:02 PM

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i see a lot of people using Chiron Bow

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but anything works, especially if it's something you're used to

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what to recommend, tho, i'm not entirely sure-

valid dagger Mar 21, 2021, 7:04 PM

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Would just say go with something you're very used to and comfortable with

knotty quarry Mar 21, 2021, 7:04 PM

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Yes it is true that this bow is very powerful thanks to its technique. Thanks for all the info.

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I am not too comfortable with heavy weapons, for example the hidden aspect of the sword which is very slow

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Anyone have any good builds for Rama?

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 7:10 PM

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https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/rama-bow-guide/

Hades Speedrunning

Lili

Rama Bow Guide

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rama llama

opal lodge Mar 21, 2021, 7:11 PM

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oh no

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ok so lili made this rama guide as a meme lmao

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 7:19 PM

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lmao

valid dagger Mar 21, 2021, 7:21 PM

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Ruthless Reflex to increase the pitiful damage of Rama bow

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 7:22 PM

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dang

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i never checked it lol

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i just trusted the rama llama

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guess i shouldn't trust people on the internet :(

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 7:23 PM

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nope

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 7:23 PM

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turbid needle Anyone have any good builds for Rama?

real answer tho I usually go for drunken flourish+artemis or aphro attack

valid dagger Mar 21, 2021, 7:24 PM

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zeus special spam bouldy

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 7:38 PM

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You really think someone would do that just go on the internet and tell lies?

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and Thank you I'll test it out!

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 7:43 PM

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what should i take for zeus shield

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i heard zeus flourish is good but like, now what

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is tempest flourish + poseidon zeus good? i don't think it is since it pushes away so it doesn't deal damage constantly-

somber drum Mar 21, 2021, 8:14 PM

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silver summit what should i take for zeus shield

Demeter, athens, aphrodite, and Artemis special are all also good

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Avoid Poseidon since as you mentioned it will throw things out of your shield. Ares and dionysus are also less useful on the special since the raw damage of the shield will kill things faster than doom or hangover.

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 8:16 PM

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i mean i'm already about to fight heroes but thanks

somber drum Mar 21, 2021, 8:16 PM

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What did you go with?

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 8:17 PM

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zeus zeus

somber drum Mar 21, 2021, 8:17 PM

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It's a great weapon. There are almost no bad choices.

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 8:18 PM

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tried to go for zeus legendary

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got no zeus in asphodel

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actually i only got 1 zeus in tartarus the one from my keepsake

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and now i finally got another zeus on asterius

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so i got double strike

somber drum Mar 21, 2021, 8:18 PM

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When you land a throw directly on Hades during his laser then you will know what it's all about.

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 8:19 PM

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yup i tried that with hunting blades

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good stuff

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em4

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heck yeah splitting bolt

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does special damage increase bolt damage?

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same with attack and bolt

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(like cyclops/chimera)

cunning urchin Mar 21, 2021, 8:37 PM

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No.

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Only global damage modifiers affect things like lightning damage.

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 8:51 PM

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alright

lime jolt Mar 21, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Zeus is the best special imo for zeus shield

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Arty works great too

silver summit Mar 21, 2021, 8:58 PM

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well zeus was a good idea cuz i got legendary for propechy

turbid needle Mar 21, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Oh god, I got lucky and rolled Heart Rend for Chiron bow.

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 1:57 AM

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WTF IS THIS ||EXTREME MEASURES HADES THERE'S A THIRD PHASE AND HE REGENS A THIRD OF HIS HEALTH WTFWTFWWFWDFKHJASLDJFALS;KDJFKLSDJGLD;FGJDLF;JGKLDFJGKLDFJGSLKJKLTJHKLFGJHB;LJ||

turbid needle Mar 22, 2021, 1:58 AM

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[The Unseen Ones intensifies]

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 2:00 AM

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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I'M DYING

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i just really need to make sure that i don't use my death defiances in ||the first two phases||

opal lodge Mar 22, 2021, 2:01 AM

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to be fair

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the first phase and the last phase are the hardest two

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 2:01 AM

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eh

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the vase things are annoying

empty crown Mar 22, 2021, 2:02 AM

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Ok one of my favorite builds is using Artemis high crits (basically how she allows for massive damage) with the secret aspect of the Stygian blade which increases damage which can allow for a critical of 1000-3000 dmg on the third strike

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 2:02 AM

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that's the only thing that makes the second more annoying than the first

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 2:02 AM

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empty crown Ok one of my favorite builds is using Artemis high crits (basically how she allo...

so attack, cast, and call?

empty crown Mar 22, 2021, 2:02 AM

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I actually don’t use casts that often

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 2:02 AM

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and then something like chill on special?

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actually

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if you get the blade rift cast

empty crown Mar 22, 2021, 2:03 AM

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My favorite special for hades on extreme measures is Aphrodite

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Not because of them charm

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 2:03 AM

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oh yeah that's really good actually

empty crown Mar 22, 2021, 2:03 AM

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But it actually does a lot of damage

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 2:03 AM

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cause he deals 30% less right?

empty crown Mar 22, 2021, 2:03 AM

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Yeah

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You can even make it so he takes 15% more dmg

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 2:04 AM

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do you have to upgrade it or is it a separate boon?

empty crown Mar 22, 2021, 2:04 AM

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It’s a separate boon

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 2:04 AM

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i just checked the codex

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Sweet Surrender

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alright i'll use that the next time

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i actually prefer the zeus shield aspect

empty crown Mar 22, 2021, 2:05 AM

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Keep in mind this doesn’t work a lot of the time

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I just like doing it

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 2:05 AM

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lol

empty crown Mar 22, 2021, 2:05 AM

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What does work a lot of the time

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Is Dionysus on lucifers laser gun

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 2:06 AM

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i don't have the hidden gun aspect yet, but i can grind for it

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how good is it

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i don't really use it that much

empty crown Mar 22, 2021, 2:06 AM

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Personally I think it’s really good

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But the gun was also my favorite weapon

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Well second

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I was the best with the gun

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But the sword is super cool

abstract flower Mar 22, 2021, 3:16 AM

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God's Pride or God's Legacy for Zag Bow 32 heat?

static karma Mar 22, 2021, 3:23 AM

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I used God’s Pride for my zag bow 32 clear because a good Artemis boon on attack really helps

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I couldn’t think of any duos I really wanted that warranted God’s Legacy

turbid needle Mar 22, 2021, 3:24 AM

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Heart Rend is pretty huge.

static karma Mar 22, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Would you apply weak with special or what

turbid needle Mar 22, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Any of the three options, honestly.

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Special would be good for the range.

static karma Mar 22, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Call doesn’t apply weak, does it?

turbid needle Mar 22, 2021, 3:32 AM

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Nope.

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Leaves you with Special, Cast, or Dash.

static karma Mar 22, 2021, 3:32 AM

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Oh right I forgot her cast was a thing

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I usually take other casts over it

turbid needle Mar 22, 2021, 3:33 AM

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Actually the only one in the game that naturally applies a Curse.

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Yeah, the hitbox shenanigans when it intersects with an obstruction is really annoying.

keen sage Mar 22, 2021, 3:34 AM

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Why does Maim sometimes do less damage than advertised?

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Says 400, even practicing against Skelly sometimes it hits for 300 instead.

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Okay, according to Reddit it's been a known bug for a while

cunning urchin Mar 22, 2021, 3:42 AM

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static karma Would you apply weak with special or what

Passion Dash or Heartbreak Strike.

jade estuary Mar 22, 2021, 4:04 AM

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what's the best arthur build these days?

dusky drum Mar 22, 2021, 4:20 AM

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Heart rend or just aphy attack

grizzled loom Mar 22, 2021, 5:24 AM

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what build should i use for rama bow

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i just got it and idk how to use it

still vortex Mar 22, 2021, 6:17 AM

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If you turn off god mode on the last boss, are you taking normal damage?

limber cloak Mar 22, 2021, 6:19 AM

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grizzled loom what build should i use for rama bow

aphro special with arty attack, go for heartrend

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or you can do a special only build with it, using zeus special

honest wing Mar 22, 2021, 6:22 AM

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even dionysus special with aphrodite attack works, get low tolerance

weak sequoia Mar 22, 2021, 6:34 AM

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whose special do i take with arthurs aspect?

valid dagger Mar 22, 2021, 6:45 AM

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weak sequoia whose special do i take with arthurs aspect?

I like Aphro so I can get Heartrend with Artemis attack, Artemis/Athena would be my second pick if im not aiming for Heartrend, Poseidon is the one I'd avoid, the knockback is really annoying

tidal scaffold Mar 22, 2021, 6:48 AM

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Still at least DC1 should be alright as a cheap heat

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and have the easiest time restriction if you got accustomed to the game

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If you train a little, you can go for the first boss hard version

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I hate lava so I don't wanna give Lernie heat as well

jovial fulcrum Mar 22, 2021, 6:59 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/lLqDxOa.png

Imgur

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well excuse me game

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just offer me everything at once why dont ya

still vortex Mar 22, 2021, 7:16 AM

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Always hunting blades

turbid needle Mar 22, 2021, 7:20 AM

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so I got a Demeter boon for the first time using Talos fist

jovial fulcrum Mar 22, 2021, 7:26 AM

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yeah took blades

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got mark 2 floors later anyhow

fierce bronze Mar 22, 2021, 7:29 AM

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whats best cast for beo

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tried aphro, seems very unwieldy

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maybe i just suck at beo kekw

jovial fulcrum Mar 22, 2021, 7:31 AM

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Dio

fierce bronze Mar 22, 2021, 7:31 AM

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other than dio?

valid dagger Mar 22, 2021, 7:32 AM

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Floor flare

jovial fulcrum Mar 22, 2021, 7:32 AM

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uh

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yeah

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posiden

jovial fulcrum Mar 22, 2021, 8:01 AM

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crystal clarity in tartarus flooshed

magic rivet Mar 22, 2021, 8:03 AM

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I tried Hunter's Flare and it wasn't half bad either

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You can still get Mirage shot using it too

tidal scaffold Mar 22, 2021, 8:10 AM

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fierce bronze whats best cast for beo

I like Poseidon, good dmg and safe

jovial fulcrum Mar 22, 2021, 8:23 AM

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White Dem cast critting for 200 rowno

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taking hourglass in to styx and not finding a singel well pepehands

wary galleon Mar 22, 2021, 8:35 AM

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Had an interesting Aspect of Hestia build. I basically treated it as having 1 ammo and reloaded after just about every shot
https://i.imgur.com/rH01p0W.png

Imgur

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Battle Rage was an interesting one I didn't include in the screenshot

coral cave Mar 22, 2021, 8:35 AM

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I mean that is basically how to use hestia properly

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Shoot once , reload, shoot once, repeat

wary galleon Mar 22, 2021, 8:36 AM

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makes sense. It was my first time using it. The interesting parts were Battle Rage, Aphrodite's charm, and the Ricochet

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so it would kill TWO things each shot lol

coral cave Mar 22, 2021, 8:37 AM

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It does seem like a very op build

wary galleon Mar 22, 2021, 8:37 AM

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I haven't played around with Aphrodite's legendary much, but was very surprised to see it work on bosses

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Seeing Asterius and Thesus attack each other while shouting about friendship was entertaining

jovial fulcrum Mar 22, 2021, 8:39 AM

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yeah

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and w/ other bosses it just knocks them out of attack animations and stuff

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charm is super good if you can get it

magic rivet Mar 22, 2021, 8:50 AM

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One specific thing you can do with charm is canceling out Hades' lasers

wary galleon Mar 22, 2021, 8:51 AM

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From this build, I learned that on-hit effects will duplicate on the ricochet shot so that's interesting. So if target A is charmed, target B will be charmed too. I assume that's the same for other rng effects like crit

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I got a laser cancel and was hiding behind a pillar, confused why the lasers weren't coming lol

limber cloak Mar 22, 2021, 9:45 AM

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yeah its the same for crits

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which is why ricochet is like the best hestia hammer

lime jolt Mar 22, 2021, 12:25 PM

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I like piercing way better

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If you play it right, it hits more stuff, and the 50% armor bonus is huge

wary galleon Mar 22, 2021, 12:29 PM

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I actually had both piercing AND ricochet that run. It was great

limber cloak Mar 22, 2021, 12:29 PM

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piercing is hard to get it right

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but when you do get it lined up it feels satisfying

lime jolt Mar 22, 2021, 12:29 PM

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^^^

lime jolt Mar 22, 2021, 12:29 PM

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wary galleon I actually had both piercing AND ricochet that run. It was great

They don’t work together

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I’ve tried

limber cloak Mar 22, 2021, 12:30 PM

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ive only gotten ricochet like 4 times

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and ive gotten piercing a lot more

lime jolt Mar 22, 2021, 12:30 PM

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The second hammer overrides the first

limber cloak Mar 22, 2021, 12:30 PM

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but still, ricochet felt more "turn brain off and go brr"

wary galleon Mar 22, 2021, 12:30 PM

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Oh. Either way, was useful for shield based enemies

lime jolt Mar 22, 2021, 12:30 PM

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Piercing you have to play like guan yu

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Line em up

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And them boom

wary galleon Mar 22, 2021, 12:32 PM

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I feel like both did work though, just not 100% of both effects at the same time?

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Like I ignored Theseus shield and it would also ricochet, but wouldn't pierce or something like that

lime jolt Mar 22, 2021, 12:34 PM

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Oh interesting

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I suppose that could work

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I would still go for hazard bomb as a second hammer or something after I get piercing

wary galleon Mar 22, 2021, 12:35 PM

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I got ricochet first, then piercing if that makes any difference

lime jolt Mar 22, 2021, 12:37 PM

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Ok then piercing overrides ricochet

sleek quarry Mar 22, 2021, 12:59 PM

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i have 12 blood right now

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what hidden aspect am i going to upgrade?

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hmmmmmmmmmm

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guanyu?

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idk

strange lark Mar 22, 2021, 1:00 PM

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no

sleek quarry Mar 22, 2021, 1:00 PM

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what

strange lark Mar 22, 2021, 1:00 PM

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do you have all of them?

cunning urchin Mar 22, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Upgraded Guan Yu is pretty good and fun.

sleek quarry Mar 22, 2021, 1:00 PM

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strange lark do you have all of them?

yep

strange lark Mar 22, 2021, 1:00 PM

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which one is your favorite

sleek quarry Mar 22, 2021, 1:00 PM

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um

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arthur

strange lark Mar 22, 2021, 1:01 PM

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is it maxed?

sleek quarry Mar 22, 2021, 1:01 PM

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but i think the %damage reduction is pretty useless

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no

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its lvl 1

strange lark Mar 22, 2021, 1:01 PM

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what

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level it up

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what is bad about 40% damage reduction

sleek quarry Mar 22, 2021, 1:01 PM

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why

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im not doing high heat right now

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thats why

strange lark Mar 22, 2021, 1:01 PM

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also how is it your favorite if you think it is useless

sleek quarry Mar 22, 2021, 1:01 PM

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im farming

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i think %20 is enough

strange lark Mar 22, 2021, 1:02 PM

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bruh

cunning urchin Mar 22, 2021, 1:02 PM

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At very high heat, Hallowed Ground doesn't come into play that much anyway.

strange lark Mar 22, 2021, 1:02 PM

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that didnt answer my question

sleek quarry Mar 22, 2021, 1:03 PM

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and i dont use the special often

cunning urchin Mar 22, 2021, 1:03 PM

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Lv.1 to Lv.5 Guan Yu will make a very big difference.

sleek quarry Mar 22, 2021, 1:03 PM

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i can dodge and i always get athena dash

cunning urchin Mar 22, 2021, 1:04 PM

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Beowulf is a lot stronger at Lv.5, too, and so is Rama.

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Gilgamesh at Lv.5 isn't very different from Lv.1.

sleek quarry Mar 22, 2021, 1:05 PM

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i always move my special to my mouse when im using rama

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right click special

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so i can spam the special

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with good special boons

cunning urchin Mar 22, 2021, 1:08 PM

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Lucifer is my least favorite aspect, anyway.

sleek quarry Mar 22, 2021, 1:08 PM

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yeah its too slow

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but the weapon is good for curses imo

silver summit Mar 22, 2021, 1:09 PM

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I like Lucy for ME and other stuff that eon't care about the rail 's damage

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Zeus, dio, ares

sleek quarry Mar 22, 2021, 1:11 PM

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I got concentrated beam and flash fire before with curse boon of aphro and ares

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the damage is popping off

silver summit Mar 22, 2021, 1:12 PM

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Sounds neat

lime jolt Mar 22, 2021, 1:23 PM

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cunning urchin At very high heat, Hallowed Ground doesn't come into play that much anyway.

^^^

cosmic citrus Mar 22, 2021, 2:14 PM

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guys, what is it with phalanx shot and hera? I’ve heard multiple times that it gets backstab bonus automatically, what does it mean exactly?

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like, in this vid Haelian is talking about this at 7:14 mark https://youtu.be/nw1oi2aec0E

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lime jolt Mar 22, 2021, 2:18 PM

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It backstabs from the front squirtyay

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And you cant backstab from the back

willow haven Mar 22, 2021, 2:19 PM

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so it's a stab

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squirtheh

lime jolt Mar 22, 2021, 2:19 PM

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ye

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lmao

willow haven Mar 22, 2021, 2:20 PM

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i think it works that way because of phalanx's hitbox, not sure

cosmic citrus Mar 22, 2021, 2:20 PM

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ok, but it doesn’t get 50% mirror bonus

willow haven Mar 22, 2021, 2:20 PM

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interesting

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you sure about that?

lime jolt Mar 22, 2021, 2:20 PM

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It should

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Since parting shot takes all backstab bonus

willow haven Mar 22, 2021, 2:21 PM

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^

lime jolt Mar 22, 2021, 2:21 PM

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And makes your cast get those + 30% more

cosmic citrus Mar 22, 2021, 2:21 PM

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hm, I tried to check that just now, and I didn’t see the bonus damage

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maybe I interpreted it wrongly

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but yellow numbers were the same as in cast description

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hm, maybe that because it shows only the damage that it takes to kill a mob

willow haven Mar 22, 2021, 2:25 PM

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yep

cosmic citrus Mar 22, 2021, 2:36 PM

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ok, I just checked this on a mini boss. I see 143 hits, while my cast is 136. hm...

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I have 50% shadow presence

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and the hit didn’t kill a mini boss

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https://imgur.com/gallery/uVlFdMy

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phalanx shot

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so the shadow presence bonus definitely is not applied, but somehow there’s extra 7 dmg

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ah ok, it’s 5% from family favorite

strange lark Mar 22, 2021, 3:07 PM

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cosmic citrus guys, what is it with phalanx shot and hera? I’ve heard multiple times that it g...

backstab damage

heady peak Mar 22, 2021, 3:18 PM

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Which one would you pick for poseidon sword?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/398896768399704082/823576390405324860/unknown.png?width=1246&height=701

silver summit Mar 22, 2021, 3:18 PM

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do you have parting shot

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sorry that wasn't for you

strange lark Mar 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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heady peak Which one would you pick for poseidon sword? https://media.discordapp.net/attach...

probably extra cast

silver summit Mar 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Favor is usually pretty cool since it also gives +10% epic and +10% legendary, but otherwise Shot would be pretty good in something that focuses on cast

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really? i'd think extra damage is better since you can just get back your casts with poseidon sword special

heady peak Mar 22, 2021, 3:20 PM

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It's a tough decision because 35% extra rarity is a ton

silver summit Mar 22, 2021, 3:20 PM

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but i guess it would be better for exit wounds

strange lark Mar 22, 2021, 3:20 PM

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yeah

silver summit Mar 22, 2021, 3:20 PM

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i personally would take favor

heady peak Mar 22, 2021, 3:20 PM

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It's rare that one can make a case for any of the three choices

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Chaos is fickle today

silver summit Mar 22, 2021, 3:21 PM

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~~and then you'll get 0 good choices~~

heady peak Mar 22, 2021, 3:21 PM

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This is why we persuade the fates

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Thanks for the advice guys. I'll take a small break to think about it 😄

silver summit Mar 22, 2021, 3:23 PM

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~~use a randomizer~~

toxic river Mar 22, 2021, 3:23 PM

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ugh i always get extreme measures hades to like 1/3 health and then i die

silver summit Mar 22, 2021, 3:24 PM

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which phase

heady peak Mar 22, 2021, 3:24 PM

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EM4 is tricky because you don't notice just how much it extends the fight. All phases have increased total HP.