doesnt matter for igt though
#h1-builds-and-combat
limber cloak
willow haven
yeah
willow haven
?
dense ginkgo
I was gonna do fresh file first so I didn't have to 100% the game lol
willow haven
makes no sense
jovial fulcrum
I wanna max out a file naturally before I go DLing saves, personally
dense ginkgo
I thought I would have to use my own file for some reason to speedrun it
opal lodge
i would not recommend starting with fresh file LOL
though if you want to i wont stop you
feel free to join the discord linked on speedrun.com
we're friendly and like new runners
willow haven
rapid storm
what keepsake should i use im using lucky tooth rn
dense ginkgo
yeah I won't be starting with fresh file if there's a perfect file to start with
opal lodge
anyheat is probably the most accessible category
jovial fulcrum
tooth is a good one.
opal lodge
tooth or acorn are ideal for safety
dense ginkgo
tooth is especially good at first when you are starting out
willow haven
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dense ginkgo
but collar becomes better if you have all 3 DDs
livid lava
it wouldn't be difficult to keep past runs in a file and current run in another file... actually that would make more sense
dense ginkgo
could we like, @ that to the devs?
willow haven
aye that is possible with save editors
dense ginkgo
cuz I whole heartedly agree
limber cloak
i doubt they'll rework their entire save system just for the speedrunning community
rapid storm
should i use bow or sword?
dense ginkgo
i doubt they'll rework their entire save system just for the speedrunning commun...
fair
willow haven
limber cloak
also that would make old saves obsolete
livid lava
also that would make old saves obsolete
not really, you can easily migrate old saves to a new system
willow haven
all the weapons at once 
livid lava
that's pretty straight forward to do
limber cloak
not really, you can easily migrate old saves to a new system
but still, it would take work to redesign their entire save writing and reading system
and to migrate saves
and for cloud saving
and for cross saves
livid lava
to be fair it's probably not that difficult unless they have some sort of convoluted, non standard system lol
limber cloak
lots of different factors that we easily miss, but the devs have to take into account
opal lodge
they do have some sort of convoluted, nonstandard system
basically the game saves all of your past runs at any point when it "saves"
livid lava
It is plausible and should be considered if anything because anyone playing the game long enough is affected, not only speedrunners
opal lodge
makes it easier to recover saves, but also means your save file gets super bloated after about 1k runs or so
dense ginkgo
feel free to join the discord linked on speedrun.com
btw I am already on both speedrun.com's discord and this game's speedrun discord
not looked at them at all yet
rapid storm
what boons and stuff should i go for on stygiud
limber cloak
id imagine its mostly just minecraft and mario talk there
dense ginkgo
prolly tbh
opal lodge
its specifically a hades speedrunning discord
dense ginkgo
limber cloak
what boons and stuff should i go for on stygiud
do you have any god keepsakes?
rapid storm
do you have any god keepsakes?
no
dense ginkgo
I think paper is talking about the speedrun.com discord
limber cloak
then just go with whatever the game offers you really
rapid storm
do you have any god keepsakes?
i only got 11 hours
limber cloak
usually artemis is decent with the sword
gift nectar to every character you see
even the gods
limber cloak
flourish=boon that buffs your special
learn how to dash strike, especially with the sword
limber cloak
depends on what boons you have, what gods you want, whats in the styx shop, what your boons' levels are, and how much health you have lol
jovial fulcrum
Heart first i think.
then the two boss tunnels, hoping to get one for free w/ sack
dense ginkgo
well I was hoping arty would answer which knows all those things
limber cloak
ah
dense ginkgo
except the styx shop
limber cloak
well, you can ping them then
dense ginkgo
@coral cave mind sharing your input?
coarse moss
i always prefer miniboss rooms in styx, easier to deal with
rapid storm
should i get slicing shot, curse of pain, or blade dash.
jovial fulcrum
the mini bosses are usually easier, I just despise that satyr boss
coral cave
boss rooms are easier than normal rooms imo
dense ginkgo
coral cave
yeah that satyr can die in a hol
opal lodge
if youre going for speed miniboss rooms always faster
coral cave
buy the poms
dense ginkgo
not going for speed rn
coral cave
hermes too if you can afford it
opal lodge
I'd go zeus for jolted
coral cave
go for the boss room zeus
rapid storm
should i get slicing shot, curse of pain, or blade dash.
coral cave
whats your build
rapid storm
i just went into an escape attempt
coral cave
what weapon you using
rapid storm
stygius
coral cave
id say curse of pain
rapid storm
should i descend or go for dionysus boon
dense ginkgo
jovial fulcrum
Descend is probably stronger, but if you're looking for safest just boon.
dense ginkgo
mid?
jovial fulcrum
fated choice is fated choice
dense ginkgo
even with arty call?
dense ginkgo
so if I take that, do I still go for max call?
coral cave
yeah
opal lodge
yeah but use one lesser first
coral cave
use one lesser then build greater
dense ginkgo
ok
coral cave
you could also try using a lesser then go for greater asap
rapid storm
artemis boon, or pouch with skull on it(forgot what it was called)
rapid storm
60
dense ginkgo
@coral cave pom next?
coral cave
sure
rapid storm
deadly strike, hunter dash, or pressure points
jovial fulcrum
strike prolly
coral cave
strike
slim lynx
how exactly do you play nemesis? is it just special>dash>dash>repeat?
limber cloak
yep
slim lynx
no wonder people always wanna go for the dash-strike upgrades
rapid storm
pom or artemis and ares
coral cave
trial
rapid storm
arte and ares?
coral cave
ye
slim lynx
ares' wrath is basically dionysus but on steroids anyway
coral cave
ive never picked against arte before in a trial
rapid storm
whose would benefit me more?
coarse moss
ares is nice guy
slim lynx
whose would benefit me more?
doesn't really matter, it's just "which one is gonna be harder to deal with" because in the end you get both their boons anyway
rapid storm
hunter dash, hunters mark, or hide breaker
jovial fulcrum
mark
99% of the time its mark over anything.
except for certain duos/legendaries
slim lynx
hide breaker isn't that good anyway since your crits shred thourgh armor most of the time
rapid storm
slicing shot(epic), urge to kill(epic), or dire misfortune
coral cave
urge
slim lynx
slicing shot
dense ginkgo
jovial fulcrum
dire!
slim lynx
unless you don't already have one of arty's core boons slicing shot i would pick
jovial fulcrum
rekt
dense ginkgo
scroll up
coral cave
tuff
coral cave
pausechamp
rapid storm
should i get hammer im in a shop rn\
dense ginkgo
half health of 2nd bar with 2 DDs remaining
jovial fulcrum
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rapid storm
@coral cave should i get hammer im in a shop rn
rapid storm
theres an aphrodite boon
dense ginkgo
LMAO
rapid storm
@coral cave oh yea is there a ares and arte duo
dense ginkgo
I beat the game and I accidentally used mini arty 3 times
but it never full charged that fight
I didn't take enough damage
also I WON
rapid storm
@coral cave is there a ares and atre duo?
coral cave
ye
limber cloak
theres a duo for every god
coral cave
hunting blades
rapid storm
how do i get the duo
limber cloak
ares arty is hunting blades, your slicing shot cast seeks foes
get the requirements for it
it should be in your codex, if youve unlocked the boons upgrade for the codex
coral cave
ares cast + arte attack/special/2 other things
stiff wigeon
The duo requirements are in the codex
If you check the gods, and look at their boons, you can see requirements
rapid storm
is it the hearts thing?
coral cave
you need to buy it from the house contractor
stiff wigeon
Nothing to do with the hearts. If you are on a god in the codex, there should be a box that says "press _ to see boons". Press that button (usually select), and scroll to the bottom to see all their duo combos
rapid storm
i dont see "see boons"
coral cave
you need to buy it
limber cloak
its an upgrade from the house contractor, you dont have it yet.
stiff wigeon
Shoot. I was hitting buttons and accidentally started a 44 heat run with no idea what was selected. should be... fun?
patent pewter
update when you died
stiff wigeon
Haha, was just typing when you said that. No surprise, I died in Tartarus
Made it past this insanely overpowred miniboss, at least
patent pewter
what was the pact that you chose
stiff wigeon
Shoot, I was gonna post a pic, but can't here.
patent pewter
use imgur link
stiff wigeon
coral cave
jesus
stiff wigeon
Was totally an accident. Was maxing everything to see what max heat was, and hit begin
coral cave
that is brutal
stiff wigeon
I have a strict "never give up on a run" mantra, so I had to try after hitting the button
Was a mess. Doesn't help I've had some wine
split scroll
Was totally an accident. Was maxing everything to see what max heat was, and hit...
sweet mother of god what is this
jovial fulcrum
man, that run was awful.
Started w/ Posiden Sword and Arty cast on floor 1.
then just got complete dooky otherwise and died in Elysium
cloud vault
Ehhh Artemis cast
Try flood or electric
Or Phalanx I guess
Bouncy Phalanx is pretty rad
ANYWAY, it's 40 heat time guys, come on and do it! I will if nobody else does it for a while lol
he says, knowing he never did more than 40 heat
opal lodge
i kind of want to push the speed down before we turn the heat up
otherwise you'll wake up dormant forces
legend has it a certain mythical fox rises only to barrel roll lesser beings
coral cave
if you dare to reach above 50 heat he will swoop in and crush your hopes and dreams
flat garden
has someone done 39 already?
jovial fulcrum
EM3 for the first time.
opal lodge
i could probably put up a sub 10 once it gets to 40
jovial fulcrum
what the crap is this
opal lodge
just havent really grinded it at all
came home yesterday to bang out those two zag aspect runs
zag spear has quickly become one of my favorite aspects
jovial fulcrum
dual machine gun chariot was hilarious and caught me off guard lol
Zag Spear is my favorite so far but I haven't played with GY at all yet
proven osprey
Zag spear is Achilles without legs
orchid folio
o h
jovial fulcrum
Exclusive Access halfway through Styx lets go
abstract raven
I remember one run I got Exclusive Access in the last room of Styx
flat garden
at least its not rare crop
jovial fulcrum
I've gotten EA in Tartarus before
was great
Just finished one of the best dash builds I've had yet.
Had tidal dash and, like, all of the slam stuff except for typhoon
cloud vault
zag spear has quickly become one of my favorite aspects
Teach us the way
Do you just hope for flurry
mossy plume
zag spear has quickly become one of my favorite aspects
how do you play varatha, teach us your ways
proven osprey
Do you just hope for flurry
It's the only thing Zagratha can hope for
Cursed aspect
jovial fulcrum
Smoldering + Dio Aid is surprisingly insane DPS.
It basically saved a run that, before entering styx, I thought was going to die to Hades
robust anchor
i think for zag spear xplo launcher and flurry are acceptable hammers
wind geyser
What could be the best possible attack boon for twin fists weapon (zag aspect) ?
I always choose artemis
flat garden
i always go for an ME build when on fists lol
athena on attack and ares on special
then also get divine dash if i could
brazen nest
Dang, artemis and ares didn't give me hunting blades
And I died to hades
Escaping with spear is hard
robust anchor
What could be the best possible attack boon for twin fists weapon (zag aspect) ?
someone did the math before, ares attack does highest dps
zeus is also perfectly acceptable
jovial fulcrum
i kinda like posiden on fists.
I know it sounds bad.
but its noice with dash strikes and stuff just dies if you back it against a wall
jovial fulcrum
doom is top, fr?
proven osprey
Zeus/Dio/Ares have better aoe potential tho
jovial fulcrum
i would've thought it was on the lower end tbh
proven osprey
Doom is best with ME, otherwise it falls off quite a bit. Even worse with Impending Doom
robust anchor
doom is best evidently but i also believe there is value in immediate damage from zoos
up to you i guess personally i go ares for me potential
jovial fulcrum
i like zeus mostly because of the other boons that come from having zeus on the table
robust anchor
yes jolt is juicy
jovial fulcrum
Yeah, and the near miss dodge thing. Lightning Reflexes?
makes Witches in asphodel a lot less scary
nocturne raven
Honestly, might be an unpopular opinion but Zeus' base boons aren't really that good. Especially his dash, feels like it does nothing.
jovial fulcrum
he really wants Static Discharge for jolt.
It basically adds 100 damage, depending on rarity, to all your lightning strikes
wind geyser
i always go for an ME build when on fists lol
ME build ? sorry not very familiar with all the builds
flat garden
ME is merciful end, athena-ares duo where the deflect ability immediately activates doom that you put into an enemy
i've been using athena on attack and ares on special but i just realised that ares on attack is miles better and im an idiot
at least if i actualy get ME.
cunning urchin
Smoldering + Dio Aid is surprisingly insane DPS.
It basically saved a run that, ...
That's not surprising. Dionysus' Aid is the best DPS Call, and you want to use Lesser Calls for it.
So it has perfect synergy with Smoldering Air.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gm04kroX-p7lMNSmNcFdKCw4mmff-5i83QsKVwOBNDA/edit?usp=sharing
jovial fulcrum
That's not surprising. Dionysus' Aid is the best DPS Call, and you want to use L...
I'd heard the combo there was good, but it was still surprising to see it in action
cunning urchin
Even better with Privileged Status.
sonic ember
hm.. does Dionysus aid work with curse of nausea?
slim lynx
it just applies hangover
sonic ember
or does it have to be drunken strike/flourish to unlock curse of nausea
sonic ember
yeah
just like how merciful end needs Divine strike or divine flourish
according to the wiki, it does
..oh boy
jovial fulcrum
I forgot about privileged status. I'm not even done with upgrading the night talents I'm currently using
devout trellis
Fking Skelly tricked me to used all my titan blood to upgrade zagreus sword.....
Now I am broke....
coral cave
devout trellis
I was gonna use it for Lucifer and Gilgamesh.....
devout trellis
I am never hitting him ever again
Yeah, but other aspects are just way better
Like nemesis
sonic ember
nemesis is goood
devout trellis
Or Arthur
sonic ember
hit hard and hope it crits
nemesis you can just mash triangle + dash strike and you kill for no reason
devout trellis
Crits are nice, but you donāt have to build it
Like I had great run with alph
Arthurās base damage is actually busted
Like I did 1.3k without any attack boon or related keepsake
spiral badge
No reason it doesnāt work any better or worse than any other hoarding slash build
Probably best for Arthur overall
Hoarding slash is nice and agnostic like that
spiral badge
Like nemesis
Other sword aspects might be better but none are memeier. Cursed slash rush delivery Zeus attack zag sword is ear-to-ear fun š
spiral badge
Indeed. Of all the hoarding builds it would probably be the most beneficial
Hestia is wonderful! You just have to play it right lol
devout trellis
Nope, just chaos with the back stab hammer
sonic ember
even though it'skind of weird.. but it's surprisingly fun
at one point I started one shotting everything
spiral badge
Hestia is great
sonic ember
reload shoot
spiral badge
Astaos once told me to stop being a dummy and just reload every time I fire and ever since then Hestia made perfect sense to me
Itās amazing with ricochet shot
sonic ember
i had to remap the reload button cuz R3 was.. too bad
spiral badge
And hestia shackle runs are illegal amounts of fun
Yeah default binds are trash in some places. I keep cast on R2, reload on L2, and Call on B. That works much better for me
Sorry, Nintendo B
sonic ember
mine is pretty much identical to default except for reload
spiral badge
Right face button
sonic ember
i put it on L1 instead of R3
spiral badge
I wish nintendo and Microsoft would come to an alliance and unify their notation once and for all š
sonic ember
lol nintendo and microsoft notations
spiral badge
Either Nintendo needs to get with the times or Microsoft needs to defer to tradition
One or the other. PlayStation can have its thing
cunning urchin
We used to just refer to SNES buttons by color. Let's get back to that. 
spiral badge
Donāt care! Whichever it is! Weāve got plenty of perfect notations. Just pick one boys!
God bless being in 2021 and controller arrangements being pretty much standardized at this point at least. Good problems to be quibbling over, I suppose
rapid storm
how do i get duo boons?
cunning urchin
@spiral badge Tekken community notation uses numbers for buttons lol.
spiral badge
Also filling in your ācoreā boon slots helps the game shift gears into handing out things like duos more readily, from what I understand
cunning urchin
how do i get duo boons?
spiral badge
But thatās more of a lesser mechanic
spiral badge
<@!377952517910429696> Tekken community notation uses numbers for buttons lol.
Thank god the extent of my FGC play is smash. I pity those poor sods that have to memorize such technical inputs. My old man hands could never keep up
cunning urchin
Also filling in your ācoreā boon slots helps the game shift gears into handing o...
Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash are priority slots. Gods will always offer at least 1 priority boon. That means only two boons can be a Duo Boon until you have those priority slots filled.
spiral badge
Ahhh, there we go
So roundabout % increase, but everything is roundabout and relative in statistics and luck
Thank you @cunning urchin !
cunning urchin
Call is a core boon, but it's not a priority boon.
spiral badge
^^^^ important note
Sorry if I mislabeled
Itās the 4 slots you begin with that count
So @cunning urchin related-ish question. Duo mirror perk. I swear that always feels like more than 10% has the right to be. Something occurred to me. If that added % has to come from a total pie, then by definition it has to take it out of somewhere else. That gap could account for something of a shadow buff perhaps. Am I getting too deep in the weeds here?
lavish trench
any good builds for chaos aspect?
spiral badge
I donāt chaos much at all but Zeus and ares sound like great choices off the top of my head
spiral badge
ššš
I feel like Einstein screeching at a chalkboard sometimes over GL/GP
They cannot exist. They are aberrations in the system
cunning urchin
Boon rolls are Legendary/Duo > Epic > Rare in that order. And if it's none of that, it's Common.
spiral badge
Ohhhhh, I see
They cascade it over multiple rolls
Thatās smarter and more frustrating
Thank you at least!
Last one, I assume thatās done per-boon? Not as some master check before hand?
Not that thatād make much difference? š§ just curious if you knew. Figure itās the former
rapid storm
should i get aspect of nemisis or aspect of chiron
proven osprey
I was told it's per boon
spiral badge
It makes sense to build it that way. Occamās razor and such
spiral badge
should i get aspect of nemisis or aspect of chiron
How much do you have to spend?
rapid storm
1
rapid storm
i like bow,sword,shield
coral cave
Tier 1 nemesis is def better than tier 1 chiron
rapid storm
for shield i have all aspects beside aspect of rama i think its called
spiral badge
Poseidon sword
Chiron is fantastic but donāt touch it at all till you have the blood to spend to 100% it
Donāt see Chiron when sheās ugly
Donāt do that to her
cunning urchin
Miniboss and Styx rewards have decreased duo/legendary chances
In a normal chamber, boon rarities are:
- Legendary/Duo: 12% per slot
- Epic: 5% per slot
- Rare: 10% per slot
In a miniboss chamber, boon rarities are:
- Legendary/Duo: 10% per slot
- Epic: 25% per slot
- Rare: 100% per slot if in Tartarus, 90% per slot otherwise
Assuming your core boons are filled, and you do not have the corresponding god's keepsake equipped,
In a normal room, your chances of seeing a Duo/Legendary boon are 31.85% with Gods' Pride, and 52.56% with Gods' Legacy.
In a miniboss/styx room, your chances of seeing a Duo/Legendary boon are 27.1% with Gods' Pride, and 48.8% with Gods' Legacy.
When picking up a miniboss or Styx boon, with filled core boons, you are 15% less likely to see a duo/legendary with Gods' Pride and 7% less likely to see a duo/legendary with Gods' Legacy.
From Museus in the speedrun server.
coral cave
Isn't chiron technically a he
rapid storm
yes
coral cave
Since yknow chirons a male in the myths
spiral badge
Good point. Fell into tradition
All the same though
Donāt taint Chiron in your mind
By playing it before 100%
rapid storm
i really wanna get arthur aspect but i dont know how to get those
coral cave
You have to unlock hidden spear first
rapid storm
i got to get the spear first?
coral cave
Yeah
spiral badge
Thereās some kind of order to them
coral cave
Before you can unlock the other hidden aspects
rapid storm
whats the hidden aspect for bow?
spiral badge
Rama
rapid storm
is it good?
spiral badge
Itās badass
coral cave
There's a pin in #h1-story-discussion on how to unlock the hidden aspects
spiral badge
Actually possibly serviceable for 1 blood and contender for best weapon in the game
As defined by capability at highest heat levels accomplished so far
cloud vault
Rama does a lot of damage
spiral badge
Rama is an excellent, balanced powerhouse
Bouncing special like zag shield but better
leaden bay
It shares the suffering.
cloud vault
Rama is the most heat resilient aspect atm
spiral badge
Special applies a long lasting curse that deals an addtl 60% of your raw attack damage to everything with the curse on it
And your attack has a huuuuuge wallop to take advantage of all this
cloud vault
Melee Rama with triple shot
coral cave
With zeus special
spiral badge
So you coat everything in the room with the special
Then find the biggest dude in the room and light him up
coral cave
Melee rama with trip shot and explosive
proven osprey
Best hidden aspect is the spear one
coral cave
Best hidden aspect is the spear one
half crater
Best hidden aspect is the spear one
you misspelled shield
coral cave
you misspelled shield
You misspelled bow
proven osprey
Don't laugh at me, heathens
rapid storm
should i use bow or sword?
cloud vault
Bow
abstract raven
Hidden spear has a decent special I suppose but,
coral cave
Whichever weapon has dark thirst
spiral badge
Whichever you like more
cloud vault
Range ->> no range
spiral badge
Bow is probably more forgiving
spiral badge
But also has the most techskill to play well probably
cloud vault
You can point blank shot.
rapid storm
oo finally an athena boon at the start
cloud vault
If you want to melee
spiral badge
But itās being compared against sword which is the other techskill weapon so lol
rapid storm
divine flourish, phalanx shot, or divine dash
robust anchor
dash
cloud vault
Come Astaos shouldn't you be doing the 38 10 minute guan Yu batrelroll
coral cave
Dash
abstract raven
Dash if you're starting out
coral cave
Chat plays hades again 
spiral badge
Always take Athena dash until you beat the game
Until further notice
If you see it
No matter the rarity
cloud vault
Actually it's just sub 15 that's like no effort for you
robust anchor
chat plays hades š³
proven osprey
Come Astaos shouldn't you be doing the 38 10 minute guan Yu batrelroll
I don't think I can achieve that unfortunately
coral cave
Someone do a run where rng decides everything for you
proven osprey
sub 15 doable yeah
cloud vault
Even I could probably do that in two or three hundred attempts
coral cave
And try to speedrun it
spiral badge
Someone do a run where rng decides everything for you
This seriously needs to be a mod
I want Hades Rainbow Mode
proven osprey
Just play AP2 š š š
coral cave
Ap2 doesn't decide everything
proven osprey
coinflip doors
rapid storm
tempest flourish, tidal dash, or poseidons aid
cloud vault
On what
spiral badge
If there was a mod that just removed seeing the other 2 options from AP2 I would consider it lol
abstract raven
What exactly do I need to do to get the Olympian-free end title?
robust anchor
just pick whatever and try to see for yourself what you like!!!
coral cave
Chat plays hades 
robust anchor
i really encourage you to try and see for yourself what works for you!!!
half crater
honestly you start to tune out whatās crossed out by AP after a while
leaden bay
What exactly do I need to do to get the Olympian-free end title?
no boons
proven osprey
Chat plays hades <:POGGERS:355197102487502849>
leaden bay
including chaos
cloud vault
If it weren't crossed out it would be less heat
coral cave
I already played this afternoon with pine I don't wanna do it again lol
proven osprey
Wdym afternoon is now
coral cave
Timezones exist
proven osprey
they don't
leaden bay
sell the boons
rapid storm
whats better, tempest flourish or poseidons aid
coral cave
Fair
cloud vault
I agree, afternoon is definitely now
proven osprey
Can't believe I won that one
abstract raven
Do you just not use whatever you take until you can sell? Including outside of combat?
coral cave
Can't believe I won that one
No you didn't
coral cave
proven osprey
Night is also before noon
cloud vault
Noon is also after noon.
willow haven
morning is before noon
proven osprey
what is before morning
half crater
Do you just not use whatever you take until you can sell? Including outside of c...
to get the end text i think you just have to sell them, it doesnāt matter if you used them
for boonless challenges yeah you gotta avoid using them and then sell them asap
abstract raven
Guys if were in the House this wouldn't even matter
spiral badge
honestly you start to tune out whatās crossed out by AP after a while
It just makes me so, so sad to see that I rarely take it 
It would have been such a simple thing do at the dev level too. Rude.
willow haven
ah yes
cloud vault
But yesterday had noon too
willow haven
it's 7:48
coral cave
If noon is after noon then what is during noon 
willow haven
it's 7:48 noon doesn't exist
spiral badge
Guys were in the house hades is it day or night
proven osprey
7:48 already?!
half crater
It just makes me so, so sad to see that I rarely take it <:shadegrief:5204481873...
i used to feel the same way, but you honestly get used to it fast
willow haven
its day
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Is it day or night guys I wonder which
cloud vault
It's around... 7 48 yeah
willow haven
night would be 19:48
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Is this joke old yet guys haha still donāt know
willow haven
leaden bay
Seeing the boons you can't take is part of the heat cost
cunning urchin
Still 7:48.
willow haven
can confirm
coral cave
Can't confirm sadly
abstract raven
to get the end text i think you just have to sell them, it doesnāt matter if you...
Does this title have priority or can it be overwritten by something else?
willow haven
almost 8
cloud vault
Still 7:48.
Petition to set upload time for the challenge to 7:48 for every one
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Bless SGG actually, 10,000+ lines of dialogue and they only came up with exactly one annoying, repetitive joke in the whole thing
Thatās an achievement when you think about it
half crater
Does this title have priority or can it be overwritten by something else?
no idea sorry
only done it once
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@abstract raven to make you feel a little better Iām pretty sure it only counts core slots
willow haven
the more i play the more i'm surprised by the dialogues
abstract raven
I think when I tried it i got a completely unrelated title instead that's why I am asking
rapid storm
zeus or descend
abstract raven
Pretty sure I got Fisher King
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I made it to hades with some chaos boons and some ones I couldnāt get rid of and I still got it iirc!
abstract raven
But don't recall
coral cave
D e s c e n d
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So I think it only checks the cores
leaden bay
it does have priority but fisher king is... probabl also priority
don't do two rare things at once lol
robust anchor
sounds fishy hahaha
leaden bay
if you go on wiki there's a discussion of priority
fishker king requiers a legendary fish so that'll probably not happen too foten at least
rapid storm
pom or hammer?
cloud vault
Hammer
abstract raven
Just toss coins
half crater
not sure i understand the āalway choose hammerā frame of mind
like, sure, hammers are good
leaden bay
Why would you not choose hammer
half crater
but this game is complex
robust anchor
some weapons are very hammer reliant
half crater
thereāre absolutely situations where iām happy to delay my hammer
rapid storm
triple shot, piercing volley, or charged volley
cloud vault
If you're a new player there's more benefit to a hammer than pom
leaden bay
rocket bomb
robust anchor
just pick for yourself
leaden bay
double edge
abstract raven
Whatever you need for the prophecy :p
coral cave
Learn to make your own decisions
half crater
If you're a new player there's more benefit to a hammer than pom
thatās fair
coral cave
Learn to be independent in life
rapid storm
learning im basically new
coral cave
He wants chat to play hades
cloud vault
If the bow isn't called chiron you want the triple shot.
abstract raven
Then stop asking questions and try things out
coral cave
You can get charged volley for melee bow
abstract raven
They're all viable
leaden bay
Let's not pretend everything in the game has equal viability
that being said, I'm not sure why you wouldn't just try random stuff if you're new
coral cave
That's what I did
abstract raven
Okay yeah but it's fun to learn things starting out!!!
coral cave
I looked at the hammers and went 'hmm interesting' and picked that one
leaden bay
honestly trying things doesn't necessarily inform what is best all that well
i had no idea how useless some eris hammers are until i read a guide
coral cave
Asking for opinions is OK but asking for everything isn't gonna help much
half crater
yeah i donāt think iād have a good frame of reference to understand good builds if i hadnāt spent a couple hundred hours just messing around with no idea about anything when i started out
cloud vault
For new players: take fated list stuff first. If you're deep enough that you tried them all once then you know what will work better
cunning urchin
Petition to set upload time for the challenge to 7:48 for every one
Next challenge, specifically for Phoenix, is 7x48 Heat in 7:48 IGT.
coral cave
That's tuff
proven osprey
gl Phoenix
cloud vault
That's not tough.
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Twitch plays hades is much worse for you as a player than you think it might be. Decision making is an important part of this game
cloud vault
That's impossible.
proven osprey
that's what you get for going yellow
cloud vault
I love it!
coral cave
Chat plays hades gets boring very quickly
abstract raven
But lv2 poms...
leaden bay
many poms are just not that strong
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Also @rapid storm thereās a new player channel for any learning questions you might have. Lots of people who can help in there!
abstract raven
On stuff like Trippy Shot
proven osprey
Chat plays hades gets boring very quickly
Only boring? 
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Better term for it
cloud vault
I want Astaos to host a chat plays guan Yu 50 heat
proven osprey
lmao
leaden bay
ahahah
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Now thatās entertainment
coral cave
Chat plays hades but chat rolls a dice for each decision
proven osprey
that would be fun
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That could actually be done pretty readily too lol
Just set up a channel and vote on options
Make it a monthly or something
cloud vault
I believe Astaos can do it by himself. But with our help?
half crater
Like a work day
if i showed up to work and my boss said ācomplete GY 50 by the end of the dayā iād quit
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Twitch Plays Hades
cloud vault
'done' 'thought you said Beo'
half crater
lmao
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The achievement is doing it in spite of our help lol
proven osprey
with #h1-builds-and-combat help it would be something indeed
cloud vault
Make sure to take ap2 so we don't screw you unreasonably
Actually AP is banned for this challenge find your heat elsewhere
half crater
yike
cloud vault
Sounds trivial
proven osprey
Like mirrorless DC2
coral cave
Also put on UC so we can choose which boon to sell
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Hmmm maybe donāt let them decide the heats lol
proven osprey
that's a nope
cloud vault
As hypnos would say, just don't get hit.
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Give yourself a fighting chance
coral cave
Put on UC it'll be fun I swear
proven osprey
At 40 it would be really decent and fun
coral cave
We will be kind
cloud vault
We can work up to 50
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See? You donāt need to Kill yourself
half crater
yeah i feel like this challenge works better at 40 than 50
proven osprey
You have more chance to kill me with serrated
cloud vault
Yes, the Winged was a ploy
cloud vault
Lol
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The cruelest twist
half crater
true it hasnāt gotten old
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Thatās some Edgar Allen Poe business
cloud vault
Did you watch that movie?
proven osprey
half crater
ez pact
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Lol
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16 heat
half crater
why is this not pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies as a good noob friendly 16 heat smh
coral cave
Those heat choices make me want to off myself
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That screen is a whole mood
cloud vault
makes all the sense
He heals and things die to vengeance
Look at that Mettle carrying
cunning urchin
<@219823760449077248> to make you feel a little better Iām pretty sure it only c...
It counts all boons.
cloud vault
I had a fun hades meme run with that
Had that spin that constantly damages with sea storm on it
proven osprey
Yeah unshakable mettle was the duo unfortunately
cunning urchin
Oh yeah, boons from Master Chaos and ones you can't sell don't count for the title to my knowledge.
half crater
and it doesnāt even do anything ofc
proven osprey
you don't like it?
proven osprey
Oh you're talking about sea storm
half crater
yeah
cloud vault
Is it a bug
cloud vault
Yeah weird. Did you F10
half crater
prolly shouldāve, but people have been talking about if for a while now
i assume the devs know
proven osprey
Because it has not been done yet
robust anchor
:hypnos:
hoary slate
cloud vault
If knockback, trigger sea storm
hoary slate
about that seastorm flood flare
cloud vault
It's a flag it shouldn't be that hard
half crater
oh interesting
robust anchor
are u guys ready for the valentines day challenge š³
half crater
that implies an ICD, but that doesnāt seem consistent with supersoaker builds?
robust anchor
only aph boons on coronacht š³
cloud vault
Yeah I thought only specials had ICD
cloud vault
My surprise is why flood Shot works but Flare does not
half crater
and if they canāt/donāt want to make it work with beo, flood flare shouldnāt be a prereq for a boon that doesnāt work with it
they removed parting shot on beo because it didnāt do anything, they should do the same for sea storm if they wonāt fix it
proven osprey
true
proven osprey
and I don't care one bit about Beo
coral cave
Beo is doodoo
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Oh yeah, boons from Master Chaos and ones you can't sell don't count for the tit...
Thank you for answering conclusively for me that Chaos is the way you scale Shackle runs at least lol
Beo is..... clunky
coral cave
Shield is just bad in general
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But then again I discovered a new love for Talos heavy knuckle last night so i canāt exactly talk
proven osprey
Beo clunky what
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How dare you
proven osprey
It's an incredible aspect
half crater
hurray!
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I canāt beo well enough to justify taking it to myself most times š
half crater
Astaos has been trained well
coral cave
Beo terrible
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I just think to myself Iād probably get more done with Zeus and go that way
proven osprey
Rail LUL
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Reject gun
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Embrace unga bunga
coral cave
Express your 2nd amendment rights by lighting up the underworld
half crater
Beo is very clunky. You can practice to make it not.
you know whatās super clunky? walking
if you donāt believe me take a look at babies
proven osprey
^
half crater
not being good at something and it being clunky arenāt the same lol
proven osprey
Babies trash players
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I will say I lucked into a charged shot aphro special beo run
coral cave
The shield is a cowards weapon
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That I loooved
coral cave
Just punch your enemies in the face lol
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Felt like a real capt America shield should
coral cave
God gave us fists for a reason
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No bash their skulls in with the blunt edge of your adamantine shield
coral cave
To break noses and smash faces
half crater
Felt like a real capt America shield should
my fave part in captain america is when he bull rushes the enemy and they explode into festive fog
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Marvel/Ancient Greece crossover when
Cap would totally get along with Zeus, goody two shoes
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Maybe ares considering his origins
half crater
he was portrayed... differently back then
coral cave
Zeus was...not very good
half crater
^^^
coral cave
He was unpoggers to put it lightly
half crater
definitely not poggers
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Lol yall gotta remember its zeus though
Whoās gonna be the first Olympian to put on their very best face and lay claim to the golden boy?
Whoās the snaky charmer whoād love to have another king Theseus golden boy in his trophy case?
Zeus
Imagine if homelander walked up to Olympus lol, same story. Gods dont care, they just want the mortal worship before their other olympians
Zeus would charm capās pants off and cap would never be the wiser, until he was. You could make a whole arc of it lol, writes itself!
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Vainglorious snakes, the lot. Donāt ever forget it lol
Thatās why I love Greek myth so much
So human
coral cave
Zeus is an ass tho
vale imp
aren't the Greek gods by default already in Marvel
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Zeus is an entertaining ass
coral cave
How so
coral cave
Zeus is an *entertaining* ass
If you think that impregnating every woman in Greece and being one of the worst people like ever is entertaining then yeah sure he's a riot
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Lol bot
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If you think that impregnating every woman in Greece and being one of the worst ...
Sir this is a soap opera
And zeus is the messed up Gallagher patriarch at the center of the whole shebang
We missed so much when Christianity won out, man
Imagine if we could be mad at hermes for things being late
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itās impressive, honestly
coral cave
The olympians were terrible people
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Heās the perfect protagonist for the whole crew
half crater
*antagonist
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The lines are messy on this kind of show
coral cave
He is the worst person the be the protagonist
half crater
^
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Who would be the best in your opinion? Genuinely curious
I just enjoy the gods and such
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True
coral cave
Although she did shoot children once
half crater
theyāve all shot children a few times prolly
coral cave
Yeah
half crater
not the nicest people
coral cave
I mean are you really a Greek god if you haven't shot at least a few children
half crater
this is why ares is the best olympian
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^^^^^^
half crater
heās up front about all the murder
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Honesty is important
half crater
does it to your face
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Ares is the original Blood for the Blood God
proven osprey
inb4 mod police
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Thereās something respectable in that. Itās a creed that demands one thing, and one thing only
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Lolol
thin jetty
Hey, donāt try to bypass the swear filter, folks.
half crater
nobody is denying this
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Hey, donāt try to bypass the swear filter, folks.
Wait hang on Iām not here to upset applecarts, is that bypassing?
The bot is so thorough I figured what it didnāt care about was effectively whitelisted
half crater
she deleted the message she was referring to i think
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Oh, ok
thin jetty
Wait hang on Iām not here to upset applecarts, is that bypassing?
Wasnāt referring to you! Message in question has been deleted. Sorry for startling you haha
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no worries!
thin jetty
Mod canāt catch if you follow the rules to begin with ;)
proven osprey
That's cheating
coral cave
The thrill is breaking the rules and not getting caught
coral cave
The thrill is breaking the rules and not getting caught
(btw this doesn't mean anything I am a very good person mods 
)
half crater
or you just havenāt been caught yet...
thin jetty
(Hey, letās also stay on topic btw)
half crater
oh yeah
thin jetty
Yāall are welcome to chat in the appropriate off-topic channels
stiff igloo
the only duo boons i didnt get are form demeter
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On the bright side youāre not missing that much
that much
Her legendary is pretty bananas though
proven osprey
REAP WHAT YOU SOW
flat garden
is there any merit to going into chaos in a dash-only run?
robust anchor
maybe extra health or gold
drifting robin
Free room?
robust anchor
or just save time
flat garden
well the free room is a given but i was wondering about what bonuses i should aim for because i was only thinking about the attack/special/cast boost
yeah the extra health would be good
fair locust
just finished the "true" 10th run ending, and im curious to know what the meta is for this game
drifting robin
Exra health yeah
fair locust
ive formed some of my own opinions on whats good and i wanna know how accurate they are
drifting robin
just finished the "true" 10th run ending, and im curious to know what the meta i...
wdym meta?
fair locust
just the really good strats if all you wanna do is succeed
drifting robin
ok
fair locust
and greatest/worst aspects
drifting robin
Then eris zeus lighting with tidal dash and artemis special
Is like op
Worst aspect is probably zag spear
drifting robin
Its on the rail
drifting robin
Nope
drifting robin
After landing in your special you get a worldwide damage bonus
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There really isnāt a meta for players in the mortal realm @fair locust
fair locust
jesus
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Some are a little stronger than others on balance, but down in low heats anything is serviceable
And yes Eris is busted
drifting robin
Yep and if you get the rocket bomb hammer then you pretty much get the buff instantly
drifting robin
Some are a little stronger than others on balance, but down in low heats anythin...
Yep but hes asking for easy wins
So I give him eris
fair locust
im not necessarily looking to get them
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Fair
fair locust
just wondering what good gear i mightve missed out on
drifting robin
At lower heat honestly try out anything
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āStrongestā is just a hell of a relative term in this game recluse
fair locust
ive been making some very fun builds with the bow, mostly abusing the special and stacking chill 10x
and crits
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And itās a definition that doesnāt truly, meaningfully take form until discussions much, muuuuch higher than this one
fair locust
yeah ik
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Just keep that in mind
limber cloak
ive been making some very fun builds with the bow, mostly abusing the special an...
youre not doing anything wrong then tbh
lol
have you tried out chiron
and hera bow
fair locust
again, just generally looking for boons and aspects that ive been overloooking
drifting robin
Once youve gotten like the "ending" just do anything
Yep hera and chiron are extremely fun
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again, just generally looking for boons and aspects that ive been overloooking
If you havenāt played with it much zag bow is secretly a monster
limber cloak
homing special is the one
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That was one of my favorite unexpected gems in this game
drifting robin
Hera loads your cast into your shot
limber cloak
id recommend dumping like a single titans blood into every aspect, and trying it out
limber cloak
you might find things that you dont like
drifting robin
id recommend dumping like a single titans blood into every aspect, and trying it...
yep
limber cloak
@spiral badge i tried zag bow today, based on your messages
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Have you played talos fists yet @fair locust ?
fair locust
what are they?
limber cloak
#h1-victory-boasting message @spiral badge this was the result
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<@!377952517910429696> i tried zag bow today, based on your messages
Itās touchy about hammers, but if you seed your hammers or if they fall your way zag bow gets out of control
Beautiful
limber cloak
what are they?
aspect of fists that pull in your enemy when you special
fair locust
oh yeah
limber cloak
Itās touchy about hammers, but if you seed your hammers or if they fall your way...
got the literal best hammers for it lmao
limber cloak
and the best duo for zag bow
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I didnāt believe in zag bow either
limber cloak
yeah talos is very fun
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Until I did