h1-builds-and-combat

[frail schooner]

you can

[spiral badge]

Someone explained to me that you have a brief invincibility window during and after the room completion

Excuse me, the other word for confident is filtered by the bot?

Don’t get word-resembling-rooster with your invincibility

Anyway, starting up with zag sword. Any particular boon or keepsake recs? Outside the obvious ones like zeus/dio?

Or should I just play it like nemesis-lite

[spiral badge]

One heroic Aphrodite special and two special hammers later

double strike and +20% strike

This isn’t the build I was expecting

But boy howdy it sure is one

Oof

Quick y’all

Scintillating feast

Or zeus legendary

I have zeus attack

[half crater]

prolly late but zeus legendary

[spiral badge]

Yeah I took that

No regerts

I have pressure points and marked target going in the background so dio cast is critting for 1000 every so often so its doing its job lol

Also this might be a zag sword build but PP + MT + Aphro special and both special hammers is nutty

Talk about backwards but its doing something

Real platypus of a build

[half crater]

lol can’t argue if it’s working

[spiral badge]

Yeah aphro’s damage output is just something to behold

No matter where you put her

She cheats

It’s one thing to lead the attack % class but specials too? Damn girl

[formal depot]

its kind of dumb

[half crater]

yeah also weak is actually pretty useful

[spiral badge]

^^^

Aphro Op

[formal depot]

if you check the base damage upgrades in the codex aphro gives 50%, the highest

[spiral badge]

I had clean kill from artemis too

When my double special critted I was doing as much as a dio cast crit lol

[formal depot]

on a common attack boon

[spiral badge]

Yeah aphro is the size % queen for attack AND special

Busted

[fading garden]

Yea... I'm sad about it too

[coral cave]

probably because there's the other word for rooster in it

[spiral badge]

What an lol inclusion

[fading garden]

Yea... that's why

[spiral badge]

You think they could Specifically white list that though

I mean who conflates those two, ever

But w/e bots gonna bot lol

[fading garden]

Well, many swear words like the f bomb have many variants. So if you just get rid of the f bomb in a word, you deal with all of the variants.

[coral cave]

the bot probably just detects the word and censors it regardless of context

[spiral badge]

That's what I'm saying, you would think there'd be a whitelist function in it specifically for edge cases like this

But w/e

[fading garden]

It's simple, but a very effective solution to the problem

[spiral badge]

That way you can have those blanket bans

[coral cave]

or just dont say that word?

[spiral badge]

And just keep a whitelist

[fading garden]

One extra step, but it's not a big deal.

[coral cave]

theres a lot of synonyms for it anyways

[spiral badge]

W/e

[fading garden]

Anyways, I wanna try a meme build tonight: hera bow with cold embrace.

[forest marsh]

Yes, please do not evade the swear filter

[fading garden]

I see you've deleted certain messages.

I understand though.

[forest marsh]

Not that I don't understand the context, but I'd rather not set a precedent of allowing certain things to be evaded because it opens up to abuse

[fading garden]

Completely understood. I could be doing that with context that is completely fine, but others may choose to abuse it. Best not to have that as a possibility at all.

Wightfyre, you seem to know a bit more about the game than I do, so I have a question.
What happens when you shoot a crystal beam with the hera bow?

[forest marsh]

It lands the cast at the end point of your attack

It's not the best

[fading garden]

Beautiful! In this particular scenario, that is exactly what I want!

[forest marsh]

If you're going for cold embrace then maybe it's fine, or if you have something planned which it seems you do

[fading garden]

Definitely a cold embrace build. Since the enemies will be going towards me after the attack, the beam will be backstabbing them like its no tomorrow 😎

Now that I think about it, parting shot will be nice if I can get that too

[wide light]

Is it just me, or does a room 1 boon always seem to be attack, special, and dash?

[shut mirage]

Yes

[forest marsh]

Gods will always try to offer you your core boons first

[wide light]

Nice to know.

[rare kindle]

How come the tiny vermin sometimes summons a lot of rats and other times it just doesn’t summon at all?

Is it just that you kill it really fast when it doesn’t summon?

[coral cave]

depends on rng i think

[forest marsh]

I think it depends how quickly you go through the encounter combined with RNG, yeah

[coarse moss]

depends on tiny vermin's mood 😂

[jagged grove]

oml

I'm in love with

stygian sword

[gusty dagger]

I never knew how strong charged volley could be. I took it for a spin and boy was i surpriesd

[jagged grove]

I love hangover on stygian

I might maon zag blade

[crimson mango]

Is Aspect of Lucifer just bomb planting

[jagged grove]

Yup

[fading garden]

It seemed like a good idea in theory, but the spice sadly was not there

[jagged grove]

Ripp

[unkempt pagoda]

you were missing parting shot :p

[fading garden]

I got it

It just wasn't that good

[unkempt pagoda]

that's fair

it's pretty meme anyways

[fading garden]

It worked well with achilles spear. But hera bow was just not great

[plush fog]

Okay so I haven't really experimented with any of the hidden aspects yet. Can someone recommend one of the easier ones to play along with general build tips for it?

I have the shield, sword, and spear hidden aspects unlock, so preferably one of those, but I can unlock a different one if I should really go with a different one

I kinda want to try the sword one

[coarse moss]

sword works with only lvl1. spear have to be maxed to be good

[plush fog]

also I have enough blood to max anything

[coarse moss]

shield is one of my favs

bow is the most powerful

[slim lynx]

what's the best god for hera? arty once again?

[coral cave]

Crush shot with aphro is pretty good

FF with dio's also great

[rare kindle]

I like Athena cast with parting shot and lightning phalanx on Hera

[slim lynx]

oo that can be really powerful

[rare kindle]

I should probably try crush shot with Hera, I’ve never used it in any cast based builds because the range feels so short

[slim lynx]

i like to use crush shot with close-range weapons since i feel it works better to have a close-range, high damage spell instead of a long-range spell with meh damage going with fists or something

[tame bison]

The range on crush shot isn’t short with Hera bc you have a Bow lol

Works great

[urban flame]

Crush Shot Hera is very chonky in terms of damage

[mighty ermine]

yeah, crush shot is the most common pick for hera speedruns even because it's big, consistent damage without needing to worry about range

[slim lynx]

how much damage does true shot do?

[plush fog]

70 at common, increasing by 10 for each rarity

[slim lynx]

well damn so i guess true shot does more damage on average?

crush shot can hit multiple targets but if you miss with true shot the arrow just loops back and towards the nearest enemy

[tender dome]

holy crap so i just made it to the first boss with the pact of punishment thing that makes bosses have an extra attack

what i didnt expect is that the ||three sisters would help meg during the boss fight||

[dry ember]

:D

just crank that all the way up bro

[tender dome]

they're all going to ACTUALLY fight me at the same time is my expection

also i got this aspect for the fists that pullos enemies in when i do as pecial and i love it

i got a daedalus upgrade that makes my special have a shockwave that goes perfect with it

[fading garden]

Sounds like a fun build so far

Also, keep in mind your hammer (quake cutter) does not trigger when you do a dash upper

Learned that the hard way

[slim lynx]

you can also cancel the shockwave by dashing right before the animation ends

do what you will with that knowledge

[fading garden]

I think that happens a lot to me on accident

[tender dome]

yeah i was wondering why that wasnt happening

with my dash upper

time to see what hydra's bonus attack is

[fading garden]

Well.... that's not exactly what happens

[tender dome]

i dont see anything different with the hydra so far

[fading garden]

It's more about the arena

[tender dome]

what happened to the arena

[fading garden]

Oh, are you not on Extreme Measures 2?

[tender dome]

no

just one

[daring turtle]

1 only affects first boss, 2 affects 1st and second, and so forth

[fading garden]

Ah, so you won't find out about the rest of the bosses changes

[tender dome]

i see

well its more bounties with basically only one change to one boss

[fading garden]

I at least encourage you to try EM 2. Anything above can get quite tough

[tender dome]

yeah i wanna beat hades my second time before moving onto anything harder

[fading garden]

EM4 is extremely difficult! But don't worry, you don't have to think about that yet

[tender dome]

also how do i unlock the little locks in the keepsake menu?

[fading garden]

Ah, just continue to befriend characters.

[tender dome]

i see

do i just give more honey to people

[fading garden]

Yes. Specific characters

[coral cave]

Basically yeah

[tender dome]

aight

im gonna give more to skelly cause hes a good sport

well not now

[fading garden]

If you wanna know exactly who, ask in #h1-story-discussion. However, it takes a while. So just play the game and you're bound to encounter them on your own

Skelly is a wonderful creature

[tender dome]

ohgodamnit i have to fight the minotaur as a mid boss

i really hate it when i just randomly fight mid bosses

i hate the rat and i hate fighting the minotaur as a mid boss

[fading garden]

It's a lot rarer to not get a mini boss

[tender dome]

oh sweet i got a daedalus upgrade that makes my special heal 2% of my hp when i kill someone which is great

because my build involves the Q button

wow this is the first time i beat theseus without losing a revive

i think this build is good

[plush fog]

are there any good guides on the best way to use hidden spear?

[tender dome]

there isnt a fountain in styx right?

[plush fog]

there is 1 always

[tender dome]

oh right i forgot

end of the level

[fading garden]

A common build is charged skewer+ pierced butterfly.

[tender dome]

well, "end of the level" as in when yolu get the meat bag

[plush fog]

yeah didn't want to spoil anything for you lol

[tender dome]

i've beaten hades once

keyword

ONCE

it was my 13th run

[plush fog]

wow

what run are you on now?

[fading garden]

You're doing great Astra!

[tender dome]

uh im not sure

oh godamnit i have to face off against the dumb rat

[plush fog]

yikes

[tender dome]

atleast im not on a time limit as i was before

[plush fog]

ngl it took me 37 to get my first clear

[tender dome]

okay the rat's dead

[coral cave]

Took me 41

[tender dome]

wait what

i thought 13 runs was a mediocre pace

[coral cave]

You're a lot better than most people actually

[fading garden]

You're doing great Astra.

[tender dome]

oh huh

nice

[fading garden]

Don't knock yourself down. You're getting better and better every run :)

[tender dome]

im still rather upset over that run i lost to hades even with a duo boon that made me regen health at a decent pace if i didnt have any revives

thats comforting toknow

[coral cave]

It happens

[fading garden]

It happens

Beat me to it...

[plush fog]

lol

[desert cypress]

Anyone up for a challenge?

[coral cave]

Once I lost to hades with 3 DDs

[fading garden]

You have my curiosity

[coral cave]

Felt like slamming my head into a wall

[tender dome]

damn thats tough

i made it to hades with 2 revives intact and i lost all 2 of them in the second phase and then died to the timer

[coral cave]

That was like a long time ago tho

Doin a lot better now

[desert cypress]

Try to beat a run using only the aspect of Achilles' dash for movement

[tender dome]

i had the pact that gives me a 9 minute timer

[coral cave]

You took it real slow huh

[tender dome]

and i died to it on the last boss

felt bad

[fading garden]

I'm down for that. But... I also move with my attack...

[tender dome]

i started the fight at 5 minutes and i thought i could make it

[turbid needle]

nothing wrong w taking it slow

[desert cypress]

It's a hard challenge, I tried it briefly myself

[tender dome]

i'll do that pact later on when im better

[coral cave]

The more you play the faster you'll get don't worry

[turbid needle]

that said I am physically incapable of going slow

[tender dome]

the rooms filled with ntohing but tiny rats are heaven for my health

[coral cave]

I hate going slow

[fading garden]

How about we make the rules a bit nicer.

1. you cannot use dash
2. you can only move due to an attack

[tender dome]

one of my daedalus upgrades makes me regen 2% of my hp when i kill with my special

[coral cave]

Which is mostly why I hate the shield

[tender dome]

and my run is entirely about the special

i have zero attack upgrades, only special

[coral cave]

So that's why it took so long

[tender dome]

well no

thats a different run

[desert cypress]

Yeah I think that's fair

[tender dome]

thats the run im having rn

[fading garden]

Okay I'm down. I'm turning the timer off though :p

[desert cypress]

Good idea

[tender dome]

i should've died way earlier but i guess the gods just willed it that i live

[fading garden]

Want me to ping you in #h1-victory-boasting when I do it?

[desert cypress]

And good luck, keep me posted will you?

[turbid needle]

if im using fists rama or nemesis I am not worried about td3 at all

[desert cypress]

Yeah sure

[coral cave]

Damn bro rama takes me a long long time

Any bow aspect takes forever tbh

[turbid needle]

dash power shots

[desert cypress]

I'll try the challenge myself

[coral cave]

Any other weapon is fine for doing TD3 tho

Except for shield ofc

[fading garden]

I think my plan is to go ||crystal beam||

[turbid needle]

zag spear

[coral cave]

I never use spear special unless it's achilles

[desert cypress]

I'm gonna use shield for this challenge

It's similar enough

[fading garden]

Electric shot seems too easy, so I want to give myself at least a little bit of a challenge

[turbid needle]

hades spear is my favorite

speen

[coral cave]

Yeah it's pretty nice

[desert cypress]

Actually using shield might be too easy

Seeing as I'm accustomed to using it

[fading garden]

I'm tired, but this run does sound fun

[turbid needle]

bringing out the Personal Enjoyment tier list once more https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/794102908790505502/my-image_21__01.png

[coral cave]

What's wrong with gilga person

[turbid needle]

not a fan also not a man

[fading garden]

If possible, can you spoiler that? I don't care to see rankings so I can develop my own preferencea

[turbid needle]

its not like a meta list

[tender dome]

its a personal enjoyment tier list so

[coral cave]

I mean you don't have to follow it

It's not objective

[fading garden]

It's already far enough above the chat now. We're good 😆

[tender dome]

i raelly love the gun prob my favorite weapon

[turbid needle]

chiron is like broccoli

I used it once when I started out and hated it, then after I got better at the game and maxed it I realized it slapped the whole time

like eating broccoli as a kid vs as an adult

[coral cave]

I prefer hera most of the time

[turbid needle]

I haven't used hera in forever lmao

[fading garden]

Chiron is what they call an easy win

[coral cave]

Broccoli is good and if you don't like it you are a child

[fading garden]

I mean, it's not something I crave

[coral cave]

I'm pretty sure no one craves brocoli lol

But if its there I'll eat it

[turbid needle]

I had teriyaki beef and broccoli over rice today it was amazing

[fading garden]

One more rule. We can turn to throw the special. That usually requires some small movement

[turbid needle]

not with mouse aim wink

[coral cave]

Yoo that sounds amazing

[turbid needle]

it really was

took like 30 min to make but it was so worth it

[tender dome]

well im going into hades with 4 death defiances and 343 max health. i dont like this

[coral cave]

Damn now I want that

[coral cave]

You'll lose

Too little health

You need at least 500

[fading garden]

Can I stack on one extra challenge?

[tender dome]

damn hades really just used the skull attack 4 times in a row

why do the ghost pots have such a weird hitbox

OH I DID IT

SECOND HADES VICTORY

[fading garden]

This is trickier than I thought

[tender dome]

used up 2 of my revives

[coral cave]

Good job

[unkempt pagoda]

congrats!

[turbid needle]

nice

[tender dome]

that run was entirely dedicated to special

how did such a dumb run be so good i will never know

i need to hurry up with the ending

[unkempt pagoda]

oop, proxy didn't catch that

deleted that message due to the swear

[desert cypress]

I got through tartarus just fine

[fading garden]

I play HL5

[tender dome]

i am qutie unused to not being able to swear

well lemme translate that

...wait what even was my message in the firstr place i forgot

[desert cypress]

I'm on HL1 for now, just cause I don't really feel like dying too much

[untold vortex]

when did it suddenly become 4am, or something to that nature

[desert cypress]

I know extreme measures Lernie isn't too bad, but I really haven't done all too much with the spear

[fading garden]

This is pushing my limits. Dang!

[desert cypress]

Also I bound interact to m3 for this challenge

[tender dome]

oh yes

[desert cypress]

Just so I don't have to touch my keyboard at all

[tender dome]

when did it become 4am i need to hurry the swear word up

[fading garden]

I'm gonna try one more time. If I don't get it, I'll put it on the back burner for tomorrow

[desert cypress]

You can do it

I believe in you

[fading garden]

I can, just maybe not tonight

[desert cypress]

Fair, I'd better go to bed soon too

[tender dome]

okay well i'll head to bed now aswell since its 4am i

when in the hell did it become 4am

i guess thats roguelites

[coral cave]

Time flies when you're having fun

[tender dome]

indeed

thats probably why i have around 700 hours in risk of rain 2 and 2,5k in terraria

good night everyone, good luck on your hades runs or whatever else you might be doing

[desert cypress]

Good night

[fading garden]

Got to the first boss

And I died

Okay, maybe I'll turn HL 5 off for this run 😆

[desert cypress]

I beat Lernie, so my run is doing well

You might want to turn the heat down a notch

[fading garden]

Yep. I went back to 40% HL and turned off forced overtime

[desert cypress]

Good idea

Using your cast is a good way to move if you only want to move a tiny bit

[fading garden]

p. s. I am moving once I finish an encounter

[desert cypress]

Ah, I move around the arena in every encounter

Something you should probably do in Elysium

[fading garden]

Isn't that against the rules?

[desert cypress]

No I meant with the spear dash

I'm not using movement keys at all

[jagged grove]

Bruhhh

[fading garden]

Oh yeah. I move like normal after I finish the encounter.

[desert cypress]

Oh

I'm not doing that

[fading garden]

That's fine. It does nothing to the challenge

[desert cypress]

Yeah, I just like the extra spiciness it gives to the whole situation

[fading garden]

I just got crystal clarity!

[desert cypress]

Hey nice

[fading garden]

Now if I get arctic blast we are golden!

[desert cypress]

I'm about to do something stupid

Fighting Charon with this challenge

[fading garden]

Enjoy!

[desert cypress]

I'll be ok I think

I've got a good doom build

[fading garden]

Awesome!

I have crystal beam with glacial glare

[desert cypress]

Well, I beat Charon but I used two of my death defiances

Ah blood and darkness. I died to Asterius and Theseus.

I would have been able to do it had I not gotten greedy and fought Charon.

[fading garden]

I am playing with stubborn defiance

[desert cypress]

Ah, I don't like using that one much. Though it can be quite good.

[fading garden]

Beat asphodel

[desert cypress]

Good on you

[safe ivy]

Never realized how good DoT builds are

[desert cypress]

Well, I think I'm gonna head off to bed now. Do let me know when you complete the challenge alright?

[fading garden]

Will do. If it doesn't happen tonight, I'll share the win tomorrow

[desert cypress]

Good luck, mate

[fading garden]

Lost at Elysium

[thorny plume]

Is the aspect of Arthur worth it?

It looks rather tempting but I’m not sure if I should invest my blood elsewhere

[slim lynx]

yeah arthur works fine enough without any blood invested to it

[turbid needle]

https://i.imgur.com/C0JwkCu.png

my most fun build so far lol

[slim lynx]

which t2 call boon fills up the gauge the fastest?

[worldly blaze]

i think Hermes' thing

[slim lynx]

yeah i can just use quick favor actually

easy bad call

[echo gorge]

I just got the skelly summon thingy, any strat tips? Im at 20 heat

[vale imp]

Don’t use the skelly summon thing /s

It’s not a very impactful companion

It doesn’t really live long enough to have an effect

[leaden bay]

Doesn't it? I haven't had Skelly really die when I summoned him.

Unless I killed him. 😄

[worldly blaze]

Delta Chamber is the worst Gun Hammer because you lose out on the satisfying reload sound

change my mind

[slim lynx]

can i get chain skewer with guan yu?

and charged skewer to go along with it for that matter

[worldly blaze]

You can get Charged but not Chain

[slim lynx]

i wanna throw bouncy one-shotting crackling skewers

any other special boons for spear?

[worldly blaze]

Breaching

But Guan Yu can't get any other Special related hammers

Alright Gamers I'm gonna go for Eris Gun with Hazard Bomb wish me luck

[coarse moss]

now that you declared it, rng will put an effort to hide the hammer from you

[worldly blaze]

oh so that's how it works

Alright Gamers, I'm gonna go for Nemesis Sword with World Splitter and no Artemis wish me luck

[coarse moss]

xD

[static salmon]

btw, how do I unlock aspect of lucifer? I've already tried talking to zeus dozens of times but he still won't give me the unlock spell

[coarse moss]

keep talking. if you really want it quicker, equip his keepsake and suicide

[static salmon]

so I should try it more huh

been talking to him for 6 runs just to unlock lucifer

[coarse moss]

yeah i had to wait a while for him to say it too

[worldly blaze]

Do you have all the requirements for it? (5 Blood invested into gun, Guyn Yu revealed, Zeus commenting on the gun)

[coarse moss]

iirc for the 5 blood requirement, zagreus aspect dont count right?

[worldly blaze]

Wiki doesn't say anytihng about that

[coarse moss]

i cant be sure about it

already unlocked them

[static salmon]

Yep

I invested all 5 on zagreus aspect

[frozen bolt]

So. Hera aspect bow. Is there any reason to take a cast other than Dionysus? It significantly out-damages every other cast except possibly powered-up Ares, has a massive AoE, and stunlocks enemies. Plus you can retrieve the shards quickly and do it again because they don't get stuck in the enemies.

[sullen valley]

Vicious Skewer or Massive Spin? (Hades Aspect, Special Artemis)

[frozen bolt]

Is it your first hammer?

[sullen valley]

Second

[frozen bolt]

What was the first one?

[sullen valley]

Already have Quick Spin

[frozen bolt]

In which case, I'd take Massive Spin.

[sullen valley]

Aighty!

[frozen bolt]

Although, vicious skewer does more damage to armour, right? That's quite handy

[sullen valley]

Bleh, I knew I should've brought up the Aphro/Arte duo

Ah well,

S P E E N -

[frozen bolt]

They're both good choices, but since you already got lucky and got Quick Spin on the "always spin attack" spear, I'd go even harder into the spin attack.

Remember you can spin attack marginally faster after a dash attack!

[sullen valley]

Pft, fair.

[frozen bolt]

Also, spin attack seems to hit through walls sometimes.

[coarse moss]

after you tag enemy with spin, you spam special though, vicious might have been better

[frozen bolt]

They're both good choices

[coarse moss]

true

[sullen valley]

E

Aphro is on attack, so I guess that further boosts the Spin Slash damage

[frozen bolt]

It does, that's a solid choice

[coarse moss]

love that hammer combo on guan yu

[sullen valley]

Epic Aphro Cast or Rare Sweet Surrender?

[vale imp]

What Aspect are you using?

[sullen valley]

Hades

Got a Aphro/Crit Build

[vale imp]

Probably Sweet then

[sullen valley]

Hell ye

[vale imp]

Probably not casting as much on Hades

[sullen valley]

Fair

[slim lynx]

does second wave cause sea storm to proc twice?

[coral cave]

Think it does

[slim lynx]

😳

[eternal wasp]

80 free damage 😩

[sullen valley]

jfc

Imagine Shield, Second Wave, and Sea Storm

...Does Poseidon Attack and Shield KB proc Sea Storm twice actually??

[slim lynx]

that's basically 80 damage per hit if you're using rail

[sullen valley]

Woof

Long or Heavy Knuckle?

Using Talos, got a Crit Build going

I also got the meme yoyo build so Long Knuckle

[echo radish]

whats heavy

[urban flame]

heavy is the higher damage three hit combo right?

[kindred rapids]

Yup

40 damage a pop I think

[tranquil cliff]

How does the math work when you have two boons that deal the same status but with different amounts of damage? Right now I have the option for Curse of Pain and Curse of Vengeance. I assume it's whichever Doom effect lands first, but I have Dire Misfortune (+14 damage per stack) as well, so I'm not sure.

Also curious about Hangover damage from, say, Drunken Dash and Drunken Strike or whatever. Does the game just keep track about which stack of Hangover is from which source, and what order they expire in, and sum up the damage?

[half crater]

generally, having different sources of hangover damage is a bad idea

the ticks will stack up the same no matter what combination of stuff you use, but the actual damage they cause with always be the damage of the last hangover source you hit that enemy with

so if you pop a dio call for a billion hangover damage/tick then accidentally hit that enemy with a dio attack for 6/tick or whatever, it all changes to 6/tick and the effect of your call is lost

[tranquil cliff]

Well, that's terrible.

[half crater]

it’s kinda annoying, yeah

i’m not actually 100% sure how it works for doom, so your guess is as good as mine there

[tranquil cliff]

Kinda seems the opposite of, say, Zeus, where you can take a bunch of different Zeus boons that improve your lightning in a lot of ways, and have a good deal of synergy just from that one god. But Dionysus has anti-synergy unless you do it really carefully.

[half crater]

you definitely can’t put two different dooms on the same target at the same time

[tranquil cliff]

I assume, with Doom, the base damage is from the first skill that applies Doom, and subsequent hits just add the +x from Dire Misfortune if you have it, so the only difference is which gets in first.

[half crater]

that’d be my guess as well

yeah dio definitely doesn’t work as well for devotion builds

[vale imp]

Dio is definitely the god where you only take 1 big boon then don't touch anything else

like say the Call or the Cast

[tranquil cliff]

I mean, maybe I'm just a scrub but I love Strong Drink a lot, especially when I get it early.

[coral cave]

Strong drink is great

[cloud vault]

A couple of dio boons become much worse on lc4

But many of them are very useful

In fact I think after party just does nothing lol

[undone sparrow]

I got delta chamber with zag aspect

P A I N

[quiet pendant]

since i have all my death defiances and 308 health total, should i use lucky tooth or harpy feather duster for styx

[tame bison]

Acorn is better than both

Definitely not feather duster

[undone sparrow]

cthonic coin purse

to buy something

[tame bison]

No don’t use coin purse in Styx. You put that on much earlier if you use it

[coarse moss]

if youre not worried about dying hourglass might be good

[quiet pendant]

aight

[coarse moss]

looks like i might have used up all my luck https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512790960816783363/800389391243673610/20210117234016_1.jpg

[quiet pendant]

i always manage to screw up with hades himself

[coarse moss]

with hades acorn is best

[mental blaze]

is aspect of poseidon any good with stygian soul

[proven osprey]

you lose the purpose of the aspect which is to make your special dislodge cast to maintain high dps

[tame bison]

You’d much rather have 3 casts than 1 since you can pop them out whenever you want

Yeah what Asta said

[proven osprey]

you also miss the opportunity to go for exit wounds, which would be less relevant

[frozen bolt]

Anyone else use Meg's skull earring for the final boss?

[regal garden]

i should stop using fo so much

i think

fo shield people are so annoying

theyre the worst

harder than usual and thats saying something

[proven osprey]

or get used to it

but it's harder indeed

[obsidian vigil]

i added some heat to my game

[regal garden]

yeah well

i am trying to get used to it but i could probably pick easier heat rn is my point

i dont need to pick it so much

[proven osprey]

yes this is the kind of pact you pick for 32+

but if you want to practice for high heat, it's nice to run it early

[regal garden]

yeah i've done a few runs with it

mainly because it slike

3 heat wow

and i underestimate it always

[eternal wasp]

fo hades ;-;

[obsidian vigil]

any tips for pact of punishment thesius and asterius

[tranquil cliff]

Similar to regular version of the fight, burst Asterius down first. Theseus is easier, in some ways, since you can get him just doing laps around the outside of the arena most of the time, firing rockets that are easy to avoid.

[obsidian vigil]

tell that to me when i died getting rocketed to death

[coarse moss]

stay in middle to avoid rockets

[rare kindle]

Also dash out of the spin asterius does

[obsidian vigil]

does the armor they get count as armor towards the boost?

[desert cypress]

@fading garden Did you ever get around to finishing the challenge?

[spiral badge]

@obsidian vigil something to keep in mind is that the last bomb in the chain will only ever be the one exploding

Theseus fires them pretty spread out

[fading garden]

Died in Elysiun last night

[spiral badge]

And only one will ever be landing at a time

This also means when the bull is dead you can literally just chase Theseus around

Since right behind him is actually a blind spot

Just make sure you don't stay directly behind him, he can change direction suddenly and run into you sometimes

So keep yourself behind him, but not directly behind, off to the side a little

The bull is really the same plus more. His slams have an AOE now so you'll have to get used to weaving in and out of that using your iframes

I like to bait his slam, dash into the direction he's slamming from once to clear the AOE he's about to do where you were just standing

Then dash right back to him and start wailing

[desert cypress]

Yeah that’s where I died too, want to give it another go today though

[spiral badge]

When he does his turbo spin you just don't get to play the game

And that's that

[desert cypress]

Just run away when he does that, and you’ll be fine.

[spiral badge]

Yeah

Unless you have something super long range you basically don't get to interact with him and its dodge simulator until he's done

[desert cypress]

Yeah, I’m pretty good at dodging though. For a keyboard player.

[spiral badge]

For sure. It's not undoable. Lots of boss fights in this game are mentality shifts at higher difficulty and I would honestly put money on that being the hardest thing to do for most people

Just the idea of playing defensively itself doesn't feel natural in a game like this

But it's what is called for

[desert cypress]

I mean, just hug your dad in the fight and win

[spiral badge]

Undertale was right all along

[desert cypress]

Oh I meant just go up close to him when he does the spooky lasers and poke him a bit

Otherwise known as ‘hugging him’

[coarse moss]

no hugs in EM4

[leaden bay]

Well Zeus shield is... a thing.

[proud plover]

What build should I use with Lucifer?

[coarse moss]

artemis special, triple bomb hammer. balls can be exploded by dash-damage boons if you need.

[dusky relic]

If you kill Theseus when he does that thing where Asterius runs into him and creates a blast wave, Asterius just kind of starts running in circles where Theseus was lol

[coarse moss]

let the man grieve his mate

[opal lodge]

with triple bomb you dont even have to detonate manually

bombs will detonate automatically if there are 4+ on the field

you can use this to cheese boss invuln

by yeeting 3 and then 3 more as they phase

[coarse moss]

good plan!

[wide light]

What's the deal with excalibur's big glowy thing?

[coarse moss]

it slows enemies and projectiles. also make you tankier

[wide light]

Neat

[coarse moss]

the attacks are slow, so you make enemy slow too :p

[slim lynx]

slow but it hits like a truck

[dusky relic]

still easily the highest damage output tho

[high crow]

yeah excali dmg is insane

[wide light]

That seems to be the theme of all hiddens so far. "Slow, but hits like a truck."

[slim lynx]

except lucifer

[daring turtle]

Arthur + greater consecration + calculated risk + chill boons + killing freeze
nothing enters or leaves the circle

[wide light]

I've not unlocked that

Despite ramming myself into zeus repeatedly

[coarse moss]

you draw a circle and fight in it? thats viking duels!

[wide light]

This thing also has a bigger hitbox than expected

[slim lynx]

i wouldn't call it a duel if you're just drawing a circle and suddenly all enemies within the circle are quite possibly going to die pretty soon

[coarse moss]

lmao truth

[wide light]

Hmm. Attack or special deflect?

On Arthur

[high crow]

depends on god

although in general attack build tends to be better one excali

[coarse moss]

if you put it on special, and later artemis on attack, duo is nice

[wide light]

Proud bearing is also an option ig.

[high crow]

since the special is somehow even slower than attack

[wide light]

I do also have arty this run.

Got her call.

[coarse moss]

sounds like a plan

[wide light]

Guess I'll go special

yeah, special works well with super nova.

Well heck. Side hustle, or quick favor?

[high crow]

how much money you got currently

[wide light]

On one hand, side hustle is side hustle. On the other, athena + quick favor sounds nice.

296, using golden touch.

Oh, and I'll probably go purse after tartarus.

[high crow]

where are you?

[wide light]

Tart

[high crow]

side hustle is alot of money then

[wide light]

Yee

[coarse moss]

i prefer quick favor myself

[high crow]

quick favor is good if the call is good

[coarse moss]

call carried my thru em4

[high crow]

arty's is pretty meh

[coarse moss]

oh yes, arty isnt so great

[wide light]

I like arty myself. Nice for bosses.

[hard robin]

any tips on using the railgun? I've cleared the game multiple times with all weapons but I swear I can't with the railgun

[daring turtle]

Zeus is always great with railgun

for attack

[vale imp]

Except Hestia

[high crow]

arty isnt even the strongest against bosses

[vale imp]

For Hestia, Artemis is best on attack

[wide light]

Rocket special from hammer is nice

[daring turtle]

I've heard people say rocket + cluster is amazing, but whenever I get hammers, I never manage to get both of them

[vale imp]

I got it once

Shotgun rocket launcher babyyyyyy

[wide light]

It takes a lot of skill

[misty turret]

i got rocket+cluster from anvil once

[daring turtle]

I wish you could reroll hammers

like with boons

[vale imp]

I wish Hades had the Dead Cells mechanic of being able to curate your runs

[high crow]

it does

[vale imp]

Just for funsies sometimes

No i mean like

[high crow]

you mean the seed?

[vale imp]

Yeah basically

Like i want specifically this Hammer, this boon, etc

[daring turtle]

I'm sure modders will figure something out eventually

[hard robin]

ohhh

yeah, i know what you mean

the custom mode

[vale imp]

Yeppppp

I forgot what it was called

[hard robin]

where you choose the weapons and stuff

yeah

[vale imp]

For just-for-fun runs, meme runs, testing etc

[daring turtle]

@granite lava you think something like that ^ would be possible with mods?

[jaunty wave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/744334968515330089/800433526318432336/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676

do i go for it

[blissful jacinth]

do not toy with the grand seaman

[hard robin]

I've never done that

but I've always wondered what would happen

[leaden bay]

😄 😄 😄

[blissful jacinth]

you get ported to oblivion

[tame bison]

Charon gives you sparkles and hugs and throws you a unicorn party.

[blissful jacinth]

and punished by him

[leaden bay]

hey don't spoil it

[hard robin]

how will I live now

[jaunty wave]

i've done it once before

missed a fish there

[hard robin]

knowing what happens and with the experience of discovery completely shattered

jk, idm

[blissful jacinth]

fishes

;-;

always forget them

[hard robin]

same

They even have an audio hint

but I'm blind and deaf

[jaunty wave]

yeah im goin for it

[hard robin]

apparently

[blissful jacinth]

i think the ching sound means there's fish

along other thigns

[hard robin]

yeah

[blissful jacinth]

but i've forgotten it like 3 times today

after combat

temple is like the only saving grace for me

[turbid needle]

I swear to god, sometimes the game doesn't chime until after you've pressed a button.

[blissful jacinth]

it's the gold all over again

i press the door

and then notice like 2 15s

[hard robin]

Am I the only one that

Went for a chest

then left without opening it?

I felt so stupid

[misty turret]

i think that's 9/10 gods? shame i couldn't get ares https://i.imgur.com/3TmTNPM.png

[hard robin]

how was the build?

[misty turret]

and thanks to side hustle i had just enough money to buy the titan blood

[turbid needle]

Deadly Flourish?

[jaunty wave]

Does Calisthenics Program affect bosses?

[tame bison]

Except for hydra. He cannot work out bc he has no arms or legs.

(That’s a joke.)

[wide light]

So I have hoarding slash. On Excalibur. With 1669 gold. And I've got another golden touch still.

[misty turret]

only one more aspect for me to max

feels good

[spiral badge]

Ok y’all

I want this channel to spin the wheel for me and pick my next meme run. Taking all comers

Watcha got

[turbid needle]

Chrion Bow with Explosive Shot

Chiron

Spellings hard

[tame bison]

Explosive shot point blank shot is fun? Lol

[spiral badge]

Lol, first candidate in

[turbid needle]

No point blank

or else

[spiral badge]

I really need to get this on pc so I can play with mods

That honestly sounds like it could be bass-ackwards useful

I don’t really play Chiron for power shot damage, it’s about marking the target for me

So that could actually be an interesting damage buff if you play hit and run, kind of like shotgun rail

I might try that if I roll the right hammer lol

Any other suggestions?

[turbid needle]

It's not particularly bad but it's weaker than others
Anything that inflicts doom with the fists

You won't get the doom benefit from all hits and I think that should be changed

:^)

[misty turret]

ok but doom attack + dire misfortune

[turbid needle]

You got a point

But no

No dire misfortune

If you even dare pick it I will come to your house and throw foam noodles at you

menacingly

[spiral badge]

Ok I take it I’m being constrained to doom attack?

I could play around that

[turbid needle]

Yes

[spiral badge]

Yeah special is too much of a gimme

Hmmmmm I could see this being interesting with dem fists

And aphro special 😁

[turbid needle]

I mean fists are just the best weapon, no boons do bad with fists

[spiral badge]

Curse of longing + One Punch Mac

Hear hear ^^^^^

Fists and shield are how manly men play this game

[turbid needle]

Cool, I'm a Stygius main, guess I suck

🥲

[misty turret]

this has got to be some of the worst chaos options i've seen ever

https://i.imgur.com/WpEq1jp.png

[turbid needle]

[spiral badge]

Sword gets an honorary exception

[turbid needle]

Tbh, in my experience, if you get stuff like this, take the short dash

[spiral badge]

For being weapon #1

[turbid needle]

Yaayyy

[misty turret]

yeah i took the shorter dash bc i'm playing spear lmao

[spiral badge]

Yeah short dash is the least painful there

[turbid needle]

I did a run where I couldn't attack against the fury sisters

That was painful

[spiral badge]

Short dash is the 3rd least painful all around for me

Ooooof

[turbid needle]

Same

[spiral badge]

You better be sure if you take that button away from yourself lol

[turbid needle]

It was fine

[spiral badge]

Cast recovery, short move speed, short dash

[turbid needle]

Only had to death defy once

🥲

[spiral badge]

Those are the three easiest chaos curses for me, in order

[turbid needle]

Same

I always forget I can cast lol

[spiral badge]

It’s ok, honestly losing 1 dd is never really a big deal if your run is healthy enough

[turbid needle]

Yeah and I have 3 of those bad bois

[spiral badge]

Game feeds you opportunities to buy them back in wells at a pretty steady clip

Just know you have to keep $200 on hand at all times until you see one as the penalty

[turbid needle]

I'm aware

[spiral badge]

For sure

[turbid needle]

Btw

Hoarding Slash + 1000 Gold against Hades

Felt great

[misty turret]

on the one boonless run i did

i had hoarding slash and enough money to get like

+108% damage or something

[turbid needle]

That with the The aspect of Arthur

[misty turret]

ye

[turbid needle]

[misty turret]

lemme find the screenshot

#h1-victory-boasting message

[spiral badge]

Lolllll

[turbid needle]

Hardcore

[misty turret]

cool finally got the last legendary i was missing

what

bruh the imgur link has a swear in it haha

https://i.imgur.com/HzcMPoO.png

there we go

[hard robin]

lmao what

[misty turret]

the randomly generated link happened to have a swear https://i.imgur.com/GCD5cPE.png

[jaunty wave]

picked up a daedalus upgrade that I hadn't got yet over the one that gives your special more arrows... while running aspect of Chiron

[hard robin]

lmaoo, that's an interesting link

[solid cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/800460769090338846/unknown.png I made a tier list for speedrunning (the Any Heat category specifically)

[mental blaze]

i took a take more damage chaos boon directly before the boss because i wasn't paying attention to what chamber i was on

managed to pull it off though

[real kernel]

In answer to F tier: because they aren't balanced for speedrunning

[mental blaze]

concentrated volley w/ aspect of chiron

[solid cairn]

I am aware

[dry ember]

The irony that Zag Sword is in D tier xD

[solid cairn]

gilgamesh is trash everywhere tho

[real kernel]

Aspect of Arthur is freaking amazing in general, though

[solid cairn]

gilgamesh dash strike can't one shot numbskulls without fiery presence

[gusty rapids]

cue duunko clip

[daring turtle]

gilgamesh is amazing for dash only runs

[dry ember]

tfw #h1-high-heat-strategies is talking 0 heat while #h1-builds-and-combat is talking speedrun

what's going on xD

[hard robin]

lmaoo

[gusty rapids]

lol

[real kernel]

Gilgamesh feels fun to play

[hard robin]

idk, we were talking about high heat and then the conversation slowly shifted

[gusty rapids]

gilgamesh is only fun to me when im doing dash only runs

[real kernel]

I'm surprised Aspect of Eris is in a tier of its own

[solid cairn]

look at the leaderboards

and you'll see why

[real kernel]

I can't argue with the reality, I'm just sort of surprised by it

[opal lodge]

eris is broken

[solid cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/800464097799045150/unknown.png

[opal lodge]

what about +75% global damage is surprising

[dry ember]

lmao I was about to type that

[opal lodge]

i hate that my eris run is in there but my beo run isnt

[real kernel]

I think the duration of the buff is way too long

[solid cairn]

ignore the zag sword

that's just ME

[gusty rapids]

owned bright

[solid cairn]

not zag sword itselfg

[gusty rapids]

that zag sword run is a beauty LOL

[solid cairn]

ME is an A tier weapon

[opal lodge]

it was so funy

[gusty rapids]

merciful end moment

[opal lodge]

nuhai cannot cast for his life

[solid cairn]

[real kernel]

I think the Aspect of Eris would be more balanced if they cut the duration of the damage increase to like one or two seconds

[solid cairn]

nah

[real kernel]

As a start

[solid cairn]

just tone down the damage back to 60%

like it used to be

even then I think it was top tier

[dry ember]

at 60% Eris was heavily slept on lol

[solid cairn]

but nobody really noticed

splash dash wasn't really fully realized

[opal lodge]

decreasing the buff just isnt a very interesting change

i like the nerf they made last patch

[dry ember]

People considered Tidal Dash to be bad for a long time.

And tbh it's kinda is on some melee weapons

[opal lodge]

they could just make it not global damage

[solid cairn]

have it be like urge to kill?

[opal lodge]

yeah

[solid cairn]

what if that made it too weak

[gusty rapids]

the moment that happens

im back to maining hestia

[real kernel]

What's the difference between Urge to Kill and global damage? Is it stuff like Support Fire?

[gusty rapids]

with keyboard controls

[eternal wasp]

wait isnt urge to kill already global damage

[gusty rapids]

the dash mainly, saklad

eris uses tidal dash for big damage in conjunction w a global buff

[opal lodge]

urge to kill is only attack special cast

[solid cairn]

global damage affects everything, zeus lightning, even your calls, doom

[gusty rapids]

changing it to something like urge to kill would no longer buff the dash

[opal lodge]

eris is literally everything but your summons

[gusty rapids]

also it wouldnt buff zeus lightning

[real kernel]

Zeus is a hilarious snowball

[gusty rapids]

zeus lightning + tidal dash is the main source of damage from eris (excluding cluster rockets), so not being able to buff those

would be uh. huge

[hard robin]

one thing, does the pierced butterfly affect damage dealt by boons? like doom and zeus' lightning?

[gusty rapids]

hestia time

[solid cairn]

I wonder if it would still be good with UTK damage

[gusty rapids]

yeah pierced butterfly is global i believe

[real kernel]

Pretty much anything that touches the bazillion extra damage sources from Zeus boons is huge

[gusty rapids]

so it should affect doom and zeus lightning

[solid cairn]

special builds would still work

[hard robin]

interesting

[opal lodge]

pierced butterfly is global, its just not a whole lot of global damage

[real kernel]

I still think four seconds is too long

[opal lodge]

same with ravenous will and strong drink

[hard robin]

time to pickup the shield and use doom on the special then ig

[solid cairn]

billowing on the other hand...

[real kernel]

It is trivial to keep the attack boost going for the entire Encounter, and that just doesn't seem right

[bronze sorrel]

Anyone have some good spin builds for Guan Yu?

[real kernel]

Quick Spin

Though you probably already knew that

[dry ember]

Deadly Strike + Massive Spin, don't run FO2

[gusty rapids]

i like demeter on attack too

chilling enemies is great for getting more spins off

[hard robin]

does chilling add a damage multiplier or only slows them down?

[gusty rapids]

charged skewer is also something that works great on guan yu, the special is really good and charged skewer just makes it better

[real kernel]

Quick Spin + Winged Serpent almost makes the healing significant

[frail schooner]

no but it can trigger killing feeeze

[gusty rapids]

chill as an effect only slows enemies down, but demeter on attack gives a damage bonus to the attack as well as chills

[bronze sorrel]

I'm looking for attack builds though. Everyone knowd about charged skewer lol.

[frail schooner]

imagine if gone you could get flurry jab

insane dps

[gusty rapids]

was just making sure

nvm im illiterate

didnt see you say spin builds

then what i said earlier abt demeter on attack works

[frail schooner]

imagine if GY had flurry spin hammer

[real kernel]

Basic rule of thumb: if you can apply a status curse often, make it one that stacks

[frail schooner]

hold attack to launch spinny beybaldes but you can no longer attack

[gusty rapids]

lmao

that would be quite the hammer

[bronze sorrel]

I'd love to see a tripple spin hammer (fires three)

[frail schooner]

i honestly think winged serpent should be replaced by basically hunting blades

[real kernel]

Massive Spin is already hilarious

Especially in the Temple of Styx

When it says "larger area" it isn't kidding

[hard robin]

then pickup ares' call and you got a beyblade build

[real kernel]

Isn't that basically Alecto?

[hard robin]

actually, yes

[bronze sorrel]

Anyone tried Drunken Spin or Lightning Spin? Any good?

Seems probably bad but I'm curious

[gusty rapids]

zeus spin is something i need to try more

i dont think its actually bad

[bronze sorrel]

Plus, then you can get some deadly flourish into lightning rod. The ultimate build!

[dry ember]

haven't seen lightning rod in forever

[bronze sorrel]

I think the strategy is, since you have such low health with guan yu, you drop your lighting rods and hide behind a rock for the whole fight. Genius

[safe yew]

any uhhh general purpose advice? i got to the styx boss once, but i’ve only beaten the elysium bosses twice total; both of those runs had some lucky daedalus hammers

i got the rocket one of exagrius which made it amazing

and a chill build w faster attack the second time

[bronze sorrel]

How far are you in on unlocking things (mirror, aspects, keepsakes)?

[safe yew]

uhhhh i have all keepsakes but ||demeter’s||

mirror i have all the unlocks, maxed death defiance and health

[wide light]

Honestly, Emma, just keep going. At some point you'll get to where you can consistently beat heroes. But you'll keep dying in styx.

[safe yew]

i died in styx last time bc p o i s o n

[wide light]

Then you'll consistently get through styx. And die to final boss.

[safe yew]

i was running a ‘heal 2hp per hit but -66% max hp’

[hard robin]

yeah poison sucks

[wide light]

But the game makes progress noticable.

Just keep practicing.

[hard robin]

also is poison damage random?

[wide light]

No

[safe yew]

i’m pretty consistently getting squashed by theseus

[wide light]

From satyrs and giant rats

[bronze sorrel]

Oh, that hammer id a noob trap ;/

[hard robin]

cuz sometimes I get 1 damage per second or so

and some others I'm getting 3 every nanosecond

[wide light]

Fred, it's an aspect

[safe yew]

i found it really useful until i got poisoned

esp against theseus and asterius

[wide light]

Guan yu

[bronze sorrel]

I think she meant cursed slash

[safe yew]

ye it was def a hammer

[wide light]

Oh

Alright

[safe yew]

i haven’t got any aspects except zeus

[dry ember]

Yeah Cursed Slash is a hammer for sword

:D

[safe yew]

bc i am a dumb baby who didn’t realise titans blood would be finite

and spent it in the shoooop

[dry ember]

techinically it is inifnite

[coarse moss]

zeus shield aspect? thats a good one

[dry ember]

you can trade up keys, gems, and fish

[safe yew]

do you get one for each fury for each weapon btw?

[dry ember]

yeah

you do

for each heat level

[bronze sorrel]

Don't worry, you'll eventually have more titan blood than you can spend

[safe yew]

hmm okay good

[hard robin]

yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. it becomes easy to farm later on

[bronze sorrel]

For the Rail, I'm assuming you just have the unranked base aspect for Exagryph. If you have Thunder Signet (zeus keepsake) unlocked I'd start with that, and try for Lightning Strike. After that maybe pick up Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish in asphodel. After that switch to Evergreen Acorn as it will help alot with bosses.

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also @safe yew just as a rough rule for a little more blood i would say that its safe to convert 1 in 4 ambrosia you receive at the wretched broker

[safe yew]

hmm on my current run i’m using coronacht

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p. much throughout the game by my rough estimate

[safe yew]

thanks!

i’ve got divine dash (always pick it up)

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yeah ambrosia is a great trade for blood at 1:1

[mental blaze]

hey does shadow presence affect parting shot?

[frail schooner]

yes

[mental blaze]

nice

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backstab affects backstab yessir

[safe yew]

heartbreak strike, crystal beam, hydraulic might

[frail schooner]

it used to not work

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oh damn

hard knock life

[mental blaze]

for a second i thought your username was a megaman reference

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im a ganondorf main lol

[mental blaze]

ah

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fitting epithet i think

[safe yew]

i also go w lucky tooth 90% of the time

[mental blaze]

yknow sword man probably would main ganondorf
....though idk how he'd play smash when one of his hands is a huge sword

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lucky tooth is a very, very safe early game option

[bronze sorrel]

Acorn is generally better than lucky tooth.

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never feel bad about cuddling your lucky safety blanket until you feel ready to go out into the world

see i feel like acorn is an experienced player take

[safe yew]

i feel like acorn is just. not that useful? three hits isn’t appreciable

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whereas lucky is more all-around forgiving for someone who is still truly in the learning phase

acorn comes into its own basically right after you can afford 3 DD's on your own

[hard robin]

it is for some bosses

[safe yew]

maaaybe for styx

[hard robin]

plus

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yeah acorn can be genuinely better for final boss

but i cant stress enough

[hard robin]

the accorn levels up

I believe if you rank it up

it takes more hits?

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that's when you're comfortable to be making it there without breaking a sweat

yes up to 5

[hard robin]

yeah

[fading garden]

It is also very helpful when using stubborn defiance.

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^^^

[safe yew]

i feel like getting stubborn defiance is luck based though?

[hard robin]

trust me that

[fading garden]

I'm also a little insane and use Hard Labor 5 all the time, and the acorn is a god send!

[hard robin]

5 hits is even more health than you get from death defiance against certain bosses

[fading garden]

No. It is something you choose from the mirror of night

[bronze sorrel]

Its 5 once ranked up. And against Hades each of those hits is probably 20-40 damage. So that's probably about 150 damage stopped. Lucky tooth is only worth 100 generally.

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Acorn is for when you are Gud enough to shed your lucky training wheels

That point comes early, but not right off the bat i feel

[safe yew]

yeah i’d like to at least GET to styx consistently first

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precisely

[hard robin]

Never used it myself but it does seem like a really good option

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and for that you want more DD's

[safe yew]

i have all three! i just die a lot

mostly to THESEUS

[fading garden]

More DD's plus more experience/skill

[safe yew]

and the megagorgon in asphodel

[hard robin]

Theseus is a bit tedious with his shield

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honestly i dont take acorn much myself but thats for different reasons, i prefer to play for offense so i like to hard-commit to mama's keepsake once I've gotten one or two boons im looking for

[safe yew]

screw that mini boss

[hard robin]

a tip I can give is

[bronze sorrel]

Acorn is also good for getting to styx. It works vs Asterius and other guy too.

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this is true

Heroes fight can be a serious skill check