h1-builds-and-combat

[warm snow]

I've not come home yet

[brave hill]

rq

two questions

1. if you iframe through hazard bomb while running eris (meme ik) do you still get the eris buff
2. does hazard bomb proc ruthless reflex

[opal lodge]

1. yes

2 is a mystery

[royal helm]

I would suspect it doesn't

[turbid needle]

Wait, so, to reveal the Spear's Aspect, I have to pump 5 Titan Blood into the spear other's aspects (not the first one)?

[chrome geode]

i need help with the hydra

the shield and the fists seem to be good against him

[royal helm]

Revealing it comes as part of the story, I think.....
Meaning you would have to cause certain game triggers to happen

The wiki has spoilers... if you want them

[final ginkgo]

does Arte's dash strike bonus count towards the dash special with fists?

[woven delta]

I think it only counts towards attack dashes

[cunning urchin]

You have to ||unlock 5 aspects of any weapon for the hidden spear||. All the requirements for the hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion.

[wooden gyro]

im so confused with what is best to spend early game,im new player..I spent 4 or 5 titans blood idk to upgrade the sword i have 2 death def and some keepsakes,Usually i carry the collar to my runs for the hp.Ineed to farm darkness to upgrade the mirror etc or try to upgrade keepsakes rank? so much thing u can do

the game is perfect for me tho i like it so much

[cunning urchin]

Upgrading keepsakes is a good idea. Just keep playing and practice. You'll improve a lot before you even know it!

[wooden gyro]

hmm i see already playing hours and hours i see the improve but if i dont have collar on me before i get the hp upgrades from the doors/encounters i suck hahah :p i guess i should take of the collar when i see the ''change keepsake'' thing and wear a zeus for ex becasue with 50hp u cant play 😛 tooth is good i guess for hp

i think mirror and keepsake upgrade while i farming is good way to learn from my mistakes etc and learn the weapons and how to build (boons)

ty

ty

[blissful rampart]

So for making specific build, how can i do that?

Boons always appear randomly right?

[opal lodge]

until you have 4 gods

then you'll only see boons from those 4 outside of rare cases and forcing

[wooden gyro]

so you can make a mix of them?

[opal lodge]

what do you mean?

[wooden gyro]

i mean u can have dash from athena lightingng strike and ares call etc?

one power from random god boons

this is like 3 different god boons

[opal lodge]

yeah until 4 gods

after 4 it will limit it to whatever gods are in your "pool"

[wooden gyro]

thank u i thought that was my bad choice

[opal lodge]

unless you keepsake

[wooden gyro]

yeye

so i can do this thing nice

athenas dash its my fav dash atm

and the hangover

plus sword with zeus things

i was playing Teamfight tactics and they said to me that this game has similar-same mindset for builds like tft comps+ synergies

[blissful rampart]

Have 4 gods? Im still anot understand, im a new player , sorry

Damn, i thought hades was easy but its also complicated

[opal lodge]

so basically it's a 1/8 chance for each god before you get 4

once you reach 4 gods (or more) it will only offer you those gods

[turbid needle]

Is tehre any specific god I hsould be targeting besides Athena so that I can actually kill bosses?

I legit just can't kill the 3rd boss, just don't have any damage. 3 minutes of almost constantly hitting the dog-cow guy and couldn't kill him.

[river wing]

check out the build pin in #h1-for-new-players

[proven osprey]

Feel free to ask more specific help once you have read it

[wooden gyro]

ares aid is worth ?

i just trolled my build replacing his cast boon with zeus cast boon

😦

[proven osprey]

Bottom 2 aid to me

what aspect are you running?

[wooden gyro]

bottom 2 aid means ?

[proven osprey]

second worst

[wooden gyro]

im playing the sword the first upgrade

[proven osprey]

Nemesis?

[wooden gyro]

im new player tho 😦 w8 to check 😛

the first one

aspect of zagreus

[proven osprey]

Oh Zag

rip

[wooden gyro]

yy

im so bad that i need 2 defiance spent for megaera idk what im doing wrong

i always dashing

[proven osprey]

I see

You'll get better

Your best dps rotation is special - dash strike - dash strike

Athena dash is incredible, her special too. You can go Artemis or Aphrodite for the attack

don't focus too much on cast etc

Ofc don't spam the same rotation, it'll be risky sometimes. But you always want to dash strike instead of attacking as Zag Sword

Be careful tho : you lose your iframes while doing so

[weak zinc]

What's a fun shield build to try for? I have already done special hades

[proven osprey]

hence athena dash

[weak zinc]

Does poseidon special turn it into a pingball game?

[proven osprey]

It's funny with chaos

you'll need sea storm tho, or you won't deal great dmg

but it's a fun build

[weak zinc]

Shoot not hades, special ares I meant

To get sea storm I need a posidon knock skill and any zues skill?

[proven osprey]

Any poseidon boons among : strike, flourish, dash, aid and flood shot (you'll pick special) and same for Zeus

[weak zinc]

Ok thanks

[proven osprey]

would not pick zeus dash or aid

well mb aid would be ok, idk

You'll want jolted too ofc

[turbid needle]

Is there no way to force getting Athena? The game is just impossible without the double reflect.

I have her item, R3.

[proven osprey]

well, owl pendant and that's it

[turbid needle]

Err, that feels bad. It's basically either Athena or you auto-lose unless you play ultra safe.

[proven osprey]

Athena is a nice crutch indeed

Pick your main god in Tartarus, go for Athena in Asphodel

[turbid needle]

How so? Is it better that way?

[proven osprey]

I'd say so

[river wing]

damage good. yes

Athena helps to make the game more manageable, but with some practice, you'll find that you really don't need it at all.

[proven osprey]

Exactly, until you go for high heat

[wooden gyro]

@proven osprey athens dash is my fav as im new and get dmg no reason i full agree with it also im carrying always the tooth or the collar keepsake for the hp

and i dont change it bcs idk what i need after

[proven osprey]

You should take god keepsakes to get you a solid build; you don't win by simply staying alive

[wooden gyro]

i have some god sakes yep

6 remains and all the others are available

[weak zinc]

How do you make Zagreus Rail work? I have tried lightning and it doesn't do enough damage to bosses.

[warm snow]

Try special instead, don't follow the herd

[river wing]

good zag rail imo is pretty hammer dependant.

[weak zinc]

I think I have a winning build, dionysus attack. If I get Rare Crop in Asphodel will I get enough encounters to hit Heroic?

[warm snow]

Yes

Me too. I often use Dionysus attack

In general, if something isn't working, I try other approaches

[weak zinc]

Sweet, now to eat ALL the poms

[warm snow]

You can get Exclusive Access, minimum rarity is rare

Buy Yarn of Adriadne

[weak zinc]

No idea what exclusive access is

[knotty ether]

hi I'm new to the server, do I have to mark stuff as a spoiler while discussing ||secret aspects of weapons||?

[dusty ridge]

not here

[knotty ether]

ok, thank you

[dusty ridge]

you do in other channels tho, besides boasting and high-heat

[turbid needle]

the pins in #h1-story-discussion can tell you how to unlock secret aspects

[knotty ether]

thanks a lot

by the way, I unlocked giglamesh aspect for malphon and I wanted to know if gilgamesh's dashes are any different than normal dashes

[dusty ridge]

no but you have more of them

[knotty ether]

I'm finding it harder to dodge attacks

[warm snow]

It's a Duo boon. Google hades wiki

[knotty ether]

ok must have been a wrong impression then, thank you

[dusty ridge]

if you spam dash with more dash than you're used to, you might just ram the enemies' attacks head-on by mistake

[knotty ether]

oh that's why then lol, I tend to spam dash attack for maximum dps

[dusty ridge]

yeah, since you spam more often, the way you move is also altered so it might just be that

[knotty ether]

still kinda new to the game so I should fix that mistake

thanks a lot

[dusty ridge]

you're welcome

[weak zinc]

But dash strike spamming with spear is so much fun when you have 5 dashes

[river wing]

gilgamesh's dashes are shorter. and you can hold down dodge

[turbid needle]

Is there a reason to keep gifting gods nectar?

[gray shore]

Yes

[turbid needle]

Er, I mean for progression. I can just read the lore on the wiki, I guess.

[proven osprey]

nah

[river wing]

yes

nah

progression? it depends how you define it. there is progression.

[dusty ridge]

if you don't mind a spoiler, ||in order to get the epilogue, you will need to progress in your relationships with several olympians||

[exotic robin]

Is crit build or wine boy+aphrodite build on chiron bow the more optimal dps build?

[dusty ridge]

I think both are good, and iirc crit build can be better but is reliant on more boons so harder to actually build

[steady hatch]

wine boy build doesn't rely on hammers quite as much

[turbid needle]

Quick question, for the final weapon aspects, do you need to do anything special to get them, or do you just need to upgrade an aspect that weapon has until it unlocks?

Asking specifically for the shield

[finite socket]

You have to actually invest blood into any aspect

At least 5 i think

[turbid needle]

Then it unlocks the final aspect I'm assuming

[finite socket]

You need to speak with Chaos

For the Shield

[turbid needle]

oh ok

So just invest blood and talk to chaos

[finite socket]

You need to at least trigger one dialogue with it using the shield

Once you get that dialogue you can use any weapon and get the dialogue with it to unlock

Provided you don't have any other priority dialogues

[turbid needle]

got it

Thank you

[finite socket]

For the shield specifically this is the dialogue

You come to my domain bearing an all-seeing artifact that sprang from me after the dawn of time. It is considered a defensive instrument, I do believe. Though, I suspect you have discovered, or soon shall discover, it is nothing of the sort.

[turbid needle]

o

Alright

I'll try to remember it lol

[finite socket]

Np, also i could inform the rest of the people you have to speak to for the rest of the aspects if you want

Ah wait

[cunning urchin]

Instructions for unlocking the hidden aspects are all pinned in #h1-story-discussion.

[finite socket]

Yeah i would just mention that

[turbid needle]

o

Alright that'll be useful for when I try to max all the weapons out lol

[keen perch]

Is there a way to see all stats for a specific run while doing it?

For example to see how much % attack damage i am at

[exotic robin]

Ok so im trying to finalize a build to use for clearing the game.

Weapon: Chiron Bow
Attack: Aphrodite
Special: Dionyses
Dodge: Athena
Hammer: concentrated/relentless volley

What passives should i be looking for?

[turbid needle]

look for Low Tolerance (aphro/dio duo boon)

[clever igloo]

Kinda just gotta go with the flow

Since you’re going for a hangover vuild you obviously want the duo

You also might want to grab ares cast or call if you’re on switch for the ares/dio duo

Aphro extra damage vs weakened enemies is good

[exotic robin]

So are those the only two passive slots?

[turbid needle]

oh, you were talking about cast and call

[exotic robin]

Oh i just mean all passives for the build. Idk how many slots there are

[pliant anvil]

you can have an unlimited number of passive/support boons

[royal arch]

hello, I'm pretty new to this "figuring out good builds" thing ... just had 3 successful escapes so far ... anyway, quick question: does the Aspect of Nemesis crit chance also affect the Piercing Wave daedalus upgrade?

[unkempt pagoda]

as far as i know, piercing wave is entirely independent of the attack, not actually considered the attack itself

[royal arch]

ok I'll try to keep an eye on the numbers, because now I've picked it anyway 😂 for the fates, so even if it doesnt synergize, it wasn't for nothing...

[royal arch]

but a dash strike does count as an attack right? and gets the crit chance?

[turbid needle]

Yup, and yup

In fact, it's the most effective way to build Nemesis

[royal arch]

nice because I just got offered epic hunter dash

(and no, I'm not taking more than 40 minutes for 1 run 😂 just got interrupted before and I'm still in asphodel)

[still vigil]

if im runnin dio is it worth it shootin fer low tolerance?

[primal hazel]

That's the aphro boon right?

Duo

Together with the ares duo it's a key basis for a hangover build imo

Make sure to run ps with it

[undone anvil]

does giving up on a run reset your streak?

[primal hazel]

Should

[undone anvil]

pain

just did it without thinking because I grabbed the wrong keepsake at the start

there goes my 15

[river wing]

eh. streak is a pointless stat anyways

[undone anvil]

yeah, I was just trying to see how far I could go

[proven osprey]

Nah it does not

If I'm wrong feel free to throw stones at me

[primal hazel]

Huh really
I never give up so

[proven osprey]

Yeah it should not

The seed remains the same, could explain

[cunning urchin]

Give Up just basically tells the game to load your permanent save next time.

Which is always at the House of Hades.

[unkempt pagoda]

Give Up just resets your save to when you first entered the courtyard for that run

[undone anvil]

I knew that but I wasn't sure if it triggered a reset on the streak

[proven osprey]

No stones for Astaos

[cunning urchin]

So it just resets to the state before the run.

throws rocks at @proven osprey

Streak is unaffected, yeah.

[proven osprey]

Argh

[primal hazel]

Huh neat to know

I guess I deserve some of Astaos rocks too

[proven osprey]

So what now Rollingstone

Yeah

Giving wrong pieces of advice

[cunning urchin]

@primal hazel you're one of the rocks I just threw at him.

[proven osprey]

You've become the very thing you swore to destroy

[primal hazel]

I'm not just a rock
I'm a Boulder

[proven osprey]

Yeah but I'm rock solid, it's fine

GET IT

[primal hazel]

I can only hear the marmors of your tortured soul

[cunning urchin]

Seemed like just a rock when I threw you.

[primal hazel]

Now I feel insulted

Maybe you're just stronk

[proven osprey]

A stone cannot feel, nice try

[primal hazel]

Why you always gotta blow my cover

[lime lynx]

What would be the best boons for shields?

[primal hazel]

Aspect is important

[proven osprey]

Idk

[lime lynx]

I want to do a shield run with either Chaos or Zeus

[cunning urchin]

Thunder Flourish is pretty good on both.

[lime lynx]

I want to unlock beowulf which is why I am even doing this btw.

[primal hazel]

Zeus: ME|Zeus on special with double strike and the legendary, poseidon attack and dash, zeus and pos duo (jolted, rupture, poseidon legendary, artemis pressure points+ support fire,dem duo), explosive catch, pulverizing blow

Priority on zeus and poseidon

So ring>conch

[lime lynx]

Also unrelated, I started playing the bow and I had teh aphrodite strike and two daedalus upgrades that let me shoot without charging up + the one that chains and it was broken I felt.

[proven osprey]

I don't know if you're a rock or a bot actually

[cunning urchin]

Rockman.

[lime lynx]

Also ty

[proven osprey]

Np mate

[cunning urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/megaman-dance-excited-happy-gif-6023939

[lime lynx]

So the same for both Chaos and Zeus shields?

[primal hazel]

Not exactly

[proven osprey]

Respond.

[primal hazel]

Chaos: Ares Attack/Demeter Attack, Zeus Special,Jolted, ideally Splitting Bolt, ideally Divine Dash or something to enable Privilege Status if you don't have Jolted

Or
Dionysus Flourish, Bad influence, Aphrodite and ares duo, Privileged Status, maybe zeus aid and smoldering air

[proven osprey]

🤖

[primal hazel]

I'm the opposite of a bot

[lime lynx]

Why are they that different? Chaos is strike focused while Zeus is special focused?

[primal hazel]

I enjoy breathing air to survive and drinking water but not being submerged in it for extended periods of time because that's harmful to me like any other of you fellow humans

[proven osprey]

Oh I see

[primal hazel]

Chaos and zeus play way different

[cunning urchin]

I dunno, I feel like we should try that just to make sure.

[proven osprey]

Agreed

[primal hazel]

Sure
I'll send you a one hour clip of me breathing and enjoying the benefits of hydration

[lime lynx]

How are they different? I just played them the same way

[cunning urchin]

I like Heartbreak Flourish a lot on Chaos Aspect, by the way.

[proven osprey]

Nah

[lime lynx]

I don't have an upgraded chaos shield btw, it just throws 1 extra shield after bull rush.

[proven osprey]

I want a one hour clip of you underwater

[primal hazel]

Chaos is a shotgun
Zeus is about positioning and kiting

[primal hazel]

You have to max it

[cunning urchin]

Oh yeah, that's not gonna be very different from base shield.

[lime lynx]

But I just want to play it this once, I don't have enough blood to upgrade, so I should just do an attack focused build?

[cunning urchin]

I dunno. Just get like Heartbreak Strike + Thunder Flourish and a good Call with Smoldering Air.

[primal hazel]

Zeus is more different by nature
Chaos is only really worth it maxed imo

[cunning urchin]

See how it goes, where you're getting your damage from. Then just keep doing that.

[primal hazel]

Since it's usually played special heavy

[lime lynx]

Sounds good

yea it seems inefficient without upgrading the special

I guess I could just play Zeus aspect as all I want to do is talk to Chaos once and unlock beowulf but I wouldn't mind clearing in the process

[primal hazel]

As long as you invest 5 blood (unlocking doesn't count afaik) it doesn't matter

[cunning urchin]

You don't need to wield the shield to get the line from Master Chaos.

[lime lynx]

Chaos has spoken to me once but I just invested 5 blood, does it matter that I talk to them again with the shield equipped or anything would be fine?

[undone anvil]

what weapon you're using on your current run doesn't matter as long as you've met the conditions

it's RNG though from what I know whether or not you'll get the waking phrase

[lime lynx]

I got the waking phrase , ty everyone!

[torpid abyss]

Hey, would you say beating Theseus takes too long?

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[torpid abyss]

Eh, well

I guess it's fine

After all, beating Asterius only takes a minotaur two

[primal hazel]

How can that itself take too long?
It's dependent on oneself
Well build obvs too lol

[torpid abyss]

It was a punchline set up, pal

[primal hazel]

Huh my brain skipped over that

I don't compute bad punchlines

[torpid abyss]

Puns are the most sophisticated form of comedy

To be fair, you need to have a very large IQ to understand puns

[primal hazel]

Yes puns are

Bad puns aren't

[torpid abyss]

Kaaay for real now

Can we appreciate those tiny details that Hades has?

Like cast boons changing names when using Beowulf shield

To suit the fact they aren't really being shot

[primal hazel]

With charged shot they are

[torpid abyss]

I don't have that luck lol

[primal hazel]

It's fun

[torpid abyss]

Oh, also small interactions and all

I love games that are so creative with stuff like that

[proven osprey]

nice one

[torpid abyss]

Like Arc Sys fgs and all

[static karma]

I just maxed out Chiron it's so strong

[primal hazel]

Feels good huh?

[deep salmon]

has anybody tried unhealthy fixation on eternal chamber?

[primal hazel]

It's not that goof since you're taking aphro attack on luci imo

Bc if it's low per hit damage the percentage doesn't yield you much

Maybe you can work it in on bombs in a crit build
Dunno how effective that'll be tho

From hit speed the charm appliance should be a bit worse than fists but still ok
If that's what you're looking for

[proven osprey]

that's a funny idea

try it

[primal hazel]

Better and shorter yes

Forget super soaker
Love Laser is my new best friend now

[deep salmon]

lmao

[proven osprey]

I cleared a run like this

Pink boyo

only aphro boons

as lucy

[primal hazel]

Aphrodite legendary is one, if not the most fun, legendary to me

[turbid needle]

all of my fastest times have been from my first time using an aspect

[primal hazel]

Well aside demeter

[deep salmon]

oh btw, does attack speed boon work on laser?

[opal lodge]

theres just funny things on laser

yes it does

[deep salmon]

oh wow

[opal lodge]

merciful end laser isnt good

but its funny

[primal hazel]

Well I'm awful at maths lol

[maiden wraith]

lol

[primal hazel]

But basically the calc should be 0.3=30% chance

And that 10 times

For the chance all of them will crit

[maiden wraith]

the chance to get 10 crits is .35^10

[primal hazel]

Oh sry 35%

[maiden wraith]

which is very small :P

[primal hazel]

That's the idea

If it's calcd individually

[maiden wraith]

0.00002758547

well with a 35% chance to crit, youre gonna crit 3 to 4 arrows on average right?

out of 10

[primal hazel]

That's why it's worse on average
If you manage to make all arrows backstab it can be nice

Well the chance for each arrow is calcd individually I'm assuming

[maiden wraith]

yea

[primal hazel]

So then it wouldn't be 35% of 10 arrows

Since every arrow has a 35% chance

[maiden wraith]

yeah

[primal hazel]

But ig by rule of thumb you could go with that
Idk how accreate it'd be tho

[maiden wraith]

it seems correct to me

[primal hazel]

But still it you go with that you would still hit lower than aphro

1.6k

[maiden wraith]

with 3.5 crits you get 1700

with a 100 damage arrow

[primal hazel]

Technically 1650 ig

[maiden wraith]

why 1650?

[primal hazel]

Average damae

Oh wait

Me um

Dum

Bruh

[maiden wraith]

haha

i did 3.5*300 + 650 = 1700

3.5 crits 6.5 normal hits

[primal hazel]

Yeah that's what I forgot

[maiden wraith]

do backstabs work with arrows? because that adds 50% already

[primal hazel]

For some ffin reason I was like 3.5*300+600 lol

Yes they do
Problem is since they auto aim it's not quite in your hands

[maiden wraith]

actually i dont remember if it added 50%

[primal hazel]

Yes 50%

But chance calculating how many arrows you backstab with on average is prolly impossible

[maiden wraith]

you can also buff crit damage

[primal hazel]

Since auto aim

[maiden wraith]

hmm

[primal hazel]

Yeah but we're comparing vanilla calls

[maiden wraith]

but aphro's greater call doesnt gain damage

[primal hazel]

Aphro vanilla call will always be 2.5k

[maiden wraith]

or does it?

[primal hazel]

Aphrodite arrows do 100
Greater call does 2.5 k

That's in it's description

[maiden wraith]

but her greater call doesnt get stronger with higher levels

maybe with rarity, but i dont know

[primal hazel]

Unfortunately it doesn't anymore

But still it has the charm and guaranteed damage

[proven osprey]

Oh noes

Aphro arrows

[maiden wraith]

lol

the difference with artemis' arrows is that you can level it up

[primal hazel]

It will on average still be worse

[maiden wraith]

lets say you get a rare artemis aid, thats already 120 damage right?

[primal hazel]

Not to mention zeus, poseidon and Dionysus will do way more damage

[maiden wraith]

you can easily get that up to 150 or 160

[proven osprey]

The difference is that Arty lesser call is the worst

[cosmic hornet]

eh i forgot

[primal hazel]

Also if you heavily invest in artemis call your build will suffer

[cosmic hornet]

is crit x3 or +300%

[maiden wraith]

i dont like zeus' aid or any of his buffs because the lightning makes it harder to see the enemies' movements

[primal hazel]

It's +200% but added after all other calcs

+200% is 3x damage

[primal hazel]

It's still stronger

Base level zeus call does 300 damage unconditionally
Levels increase damage
So does rarity

[cosmic hornet]

the average damage for common artemis should be 10x(0.75x100+0.35x300)

[maiden wraith]

but if i cant see anything, i cant attack so then its weaker

[cosmic hornet]

1800

[maiden wraith]

and i have to stand close which is a big deal

[primal hazel]

In hades you will be close to your enemy in 90% of cases

Almost every aspect is played like melee

[maiden wraith]

@cosmic hornet it's 0.65 not 0.75

[primal hazel]

What makes zeus good is that it's better in more scenarios

[cosmic hornet]

eh

maffs hard

so its even less

[primal hazel]

Also it's a req for smoldering air

Which automatically makes it better

[maiden wraith]

hmm

maybe i just need to get used to reading enemies with lightning

[cosmic hornet]

even heroic is 2210

[primal hazel]

It's a lot of visual noise yeah

[maiden wraith]

but thats level 1, even level 2 adds a lot of damage

so how much damage does zeus do?

[primal hazel]

1 bar zeus is 300 I think

At lowest rarity level 1

But with zeus you spam 1 bar basically

[maiden wraith]

per shot or in total?

[primal hazel]

So dps comes into account

It's not shot
Per bar

[maiden wraith]

300 is not a lot lol

[primal hazel]

300 is artemis WHEN it crits

For lv 1 common rarity

[maiden wraith]

lets say you have smoldering air, and you do it every 10 seconds realistically

[cosmic hornet]

oh yeah, i always wonders why you want to hit zeus with one bar instead of full barring it

[maiden wraith]

against hades at least

[primal hazel]

You can do it faster

[maiden wraith]

hes not always there

[primal hazel]

Because you get it more frequently

[pliant anvil]

smoldering air is like, once every ~5 seconds at max

[primal hazel]

Full bar only gets you longer time afaik

[pliant anvil]

Real talk, ares best call

[maiden wraith]

lol

[primal hazel]

Not counting faster gauge fill up boons, double strike, billowing strength etc

What these bring to the table i mean

[maiden wraith]

all this stuff aside, i still need to just learn how to dodge :P

[primal hazel]

Press the button

I know I'm funny thanks

[maiden wraith]

i die to hades frequently even without asking him to go all out

[primal hazel]

Just this once

[maiden wraith]

300 damage every 5 seconds is actually not bad

[primal hazel]

At it's lowest

[maiden wraith]

if you consider how much time you usually spend dodging and finding openings

thats probably more dps than i do normally with exc

[primal hazel]

Lv1 common

It's way more with higher rarity and level

[maiden wraith]

yeah but you also dont hit all shots and you dont activate it every 5 seconds

its not necessarily more than 300/5 sec

[primal hazel]

It usually will be

[maiden wraith]

hmm

the visual noise is still a big problem for me, but as i said i just need to get used to thast probably

[primal hazel]

Also as I said
Aside from rarity and levels double strike also applies f.e.

1 bar is like 6 lightnings with 50 damage at it's lowest

[maiden wraith]

because zeus' boons actually add good dps but i never pick him just because its distracting

(not with exc but with the spear)

[primal hazel]

I'd have to see what the scaling is

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit?usp=sharinghttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit?usp=sharing

[maiden wraith]

also, hades has so much health, greater call barely does anything

he has like 20k health or something

per bar

[primal hazel]

Aw it doesn't have calls yet

[maiden wraith]

or am i exaggerating?

what is this sheet?

[primal hazel]

If you do like 300 damage, again going with the lowest number, every 5 seconds(additionally to all other damage sources) if you fight hades 1 min that's already 4k

And it to usually be more

[primal hazel]

Boon scaling sheet
Doesn't have calls tho

[maiden wraith]

but i dont understand the numbers

are the levels from left to right?

and the % the % of base damage?

no thats not true

[dry ember]

The tldr of that sheet is this: Heartbreak Strike is best for %

[maiden wraith]

but i already knew aphro buffed damage the most

[primal hazel]

Huh ok so according to the wiki heroic zeus aid has 65

[maiden wraith]

or one of the most

[dry ember]

Deadly Strike outscales Heartbreak Strike if you get + 100% damage (Hunter Dash Chaos, Priv Status, etc)

[primal hazel]

That's lower than I have in mind

[maiden wraith]

yeah i think artemis' boon actually does more damage

[primal hazel]

But wiki is outdated

[maiden wraith]

because of the crit chance

[dry ember]

it includes crit chance

[maiden wraith]

especially against enemies with high health

[dry ember]

crit chance scales better with more %

[primal hazel]

Also zeus aid has sick pom scaling

[dry ember]

but a single Deadly Strike vs Heartbreak Strike and nothing else, you are better off with Heartbreak Strike

the sheet cann be used to figure out the breaking point

I just tell you the breaking point for Epic rarity is 100% additive total

[maiden wraith]

i still dont understand the sheet

what does a given percentage mean?

[dry ember]

Ok. I assume you get the rows?

They are the boons name and rarity

The columns are pom level

[maiden wraith]

yes i got those

except what min and max mean

[dry ember]

Not all rarity is equal

[maiden wraith]

oh really

okay

[dry ember]

A rare Heartbreak Strike can give you 65% to 75%

that should clear things up

[maiden wraith]

65% of what?

[dry ember]

65% of your damage

depending on weapon

[maiden wraith]

huh

[dry ember]

For example, Zag Bow Dash Strike is 50 damage

[maiden wraith]

but why would a boon make your weapon do less damage?

[dry ember]

65% of that

no

65% means 165%

[maiden wraith]

right

okay now it makes sense :P

[dry ember]

yeah 😄

[maiden wraith]

you said earlier that crit chance is included in these calculations

if that were true deadly strike would have a much higher percentage

[dry ember]

check out the other tabs 😄

we have mean atk% w/ crit

the spreadsheet is a bit of an overkill

[barren plover]

i always feel like i do inadequate dmg

[maiden wraith]

oh right

sorry

[dry ember]

nw! Nyaa put in a lot of work so it's very detailed, but also long (obvs)

[opal lodge]

crit chance is included in calcs but even so deadly strike does less damage

however

[torpid abyss]

Sup guys

[dry ember]

can you elaborate?

[opal lodge]

it scales much better with duos and support boons

[torpid abyss]

I just had the most amazing run in my entire life

[opal lodge]

crit is what scales your damage lategame

[torpid abyss]

It was beautiful

[dry ember]

i think you are beautiful

[maiden wraith]

@opal lodge are you talking about things that buff crit chance and damage?

[opal lodge]

yeah so like

for example

[torpid abyss]

I got Epic Rush delivery + feather and Hyper sprint

[opal lodge]

if you're going for heart rend

[torpid abyss]

Check on #h1-victory-boasting

[opal lodge]

or splitting headache

[maiden wraith]

yeah

[barren plover]

i am unsure of what types of boons to target for the weapon i am using and I just runn it down spamming into bosses nomatter which weapon and just get peeled to death

[torpid abyss]

It's unexplainably amazing

[opal lodge]

also any buff to flat damage is amazing for crits

like rush delivery for example

[torpid abyss]

I got almost 40% movespeed / dodge

[maiden wraith]

why does a flat damage buff do more to crits than normal hits?

[opal lodge]

because crits multiply the base damage of things and afaik are the only source of multiplicative damage in this game

[dry ember]

Some optimization tips:

1. There are some boon/weapon combinations that are better than others.
2. Mirror helps. A lot. So if you feel like you are not doing enough damage. A bit of a grind is needed.
3. To get the correct boon/weapon combinations and not die to bosses. You can try the God Keepsake/Another God Keepsake/Acorn/Acorn sequence, for each biome respectively.

Picking God keepsake lets you pick the right boon to begin with.

[maiden wraith]

hmm

[barren plover]

dont i need to gamble on a boon in the beginning to get it perfect w/ the keepsake

and lowkey i am not worrying abt what keepsakes to use since i wanna max all the staandard ones b esides one

[dry ember]

Rarity doesn't really matter. Just getting the stuff is important.

Which god keepsake to take depends on weapon.

There is a quick guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players for that.

[maiden wraith]

at the start i just took the rose every time because aphro is hot

...

[rare kindle]

A common combo is god/god/acorn/acorn

[maiden wraith]

dont look at me like that

[rare kindle]

Aphrodite actually is practical!

[dry ember]

I did this starting out. It was a pain getting though the game.

[barren plover]

oh wait what

[dry ember]

A better approach is to get boons from god keepsakes in Tartarus and ASphodel

Acorn to survive Elyiusm

[rare kindle]

She has the highest damage multiplier and she makes enemies weak, good for survival

[barren plover]

I mean i aint in a rush, i just wanna know how to not waste boons

[dry ember]

Then equip whatever you want to level up and clear styx

[maiden wraith]

true but i only found that out after dozens of runs

[dry ember]

each small chambers in styx counts as a room which will expedite your leveling

and makes the game feels better

[barren plover]

i do be loving max sytgian zag aspect

[maiden wraith]

i quit picking the rose after i realized i cant get the last heart

(yet)

[dry ember]

simp

[rare kindle]

Yeah, you need to finish some other quest lines before you can finish Aphrodite’s

[dry ember]

it's ok, because im the same for artemis

[rare kindle]

She was one of the last ones for me

[maiden wraith]

yeah i already got some favors

from the olympians

or of the olympians?

i think of is correct

aphro is like the unattainable hot girl that you probably dont even want to be with

artemis is the normal down to earth girl youd probably wanna hang out with

meg if youre a masochist

[rare kindle]

Of course the prince of the underworld would be a masochist

He’s into repeatedly killing each other

[maiden wraith]

yeah

although.. if you could come back to life over and over, wouldnt that be a fun thing to do?

well probably not because it hurts like hell to get stabbed and burned :P

[rare kindle]

True, if death has no lasting consequences, then yeah

[maiden wraith]

megs voice is weirdly attractive

[dry ember]

asmr meg

[willow fossil]

Shame which is worse

Like artemis said

[willow fossil]

Asmr aphro just saying MMMHM

[maiden wraith]

aphro saying little godling repeatedly for adult entertainment

[dry ember]

Aphrodite and Dusa have the same voice actress

[willow fossil]

Correct

I love her stream

Shes so sweet

[maiden wraith]

wow cool

[high jungle]

i got epic strong drink in tartarus lets gooo

[turbid needle]

Quick question

The keepsakes on the bottom, the ones that have that like big golden lock on them

||They're like pets right? How do you unlock them?||

gotta forge a bond with specific characters which is basically giving them a lot of nectar and some ambrosia

Oo ok

Thank you

np

[sullen valley]

Does Hazard Bomb apply any god's effect onto you? (i.e. Chill, Hangover, Doom)

[opal lodge]

no

[sullen valley]

Hm...can the self-damage be modified in any way?

[opal lodge]

what do you mean by modified

you can i-frame it

by empty dashing when it hits

[turbid needle]

No, it's just damage and a little stagger.

[sullen valley]

Hm, so just a flat 3 damage, no exceptions?

[opal lodge]

well you can i-frame it

and still get the buff

if you're using eris

no exceptions otherwise

[half crater]

it’s defiantly not always 3 damage

it’s some fraction of the damage it deals to enemies

heard someone say 1% once but i’ve never tested that

[sullen valley]

An entire run, dedicated to gettin Dio's Legendary. I am currently holding his gods-be-damned cup in the Styx. And he's got the absolute gaul to offer me ICE WINE

I HAVE CARRIED THIS CUP SINCE TARTARUS

And so I ask, I have 1 persuasion left

Do I take the heccin Ice Wine

or do I persuade

[half crater]

ice wine is a great boon to be fair

[sullen valley]

IT'S SO GOOD

[long bison]

For aspect of does shielding still work regularly?

Or do you drop the shield mechanic

[half crater]

aspect of what?

[sullen valley]

Aspect of whomst'd've?

[long bison]

Oops

[half crater]

think autocorrect got you there

[long bison]

Aspect of Beowulf my bad

Yeah it did xd

[sullen valley]

lol

[half crater]

yeah it still works

[sullen valley]

Shielding works as normal

p LEASE

[long bison]

I notice the shield is kinda to the side

[sullen valley]

I JUST WANNA FULFILL THIS FATED LIST

[long bison]

I don't need to rotate over or anything right? It's just the model

[sullen valley]

IT'S THE ONLY LEGENDARY I HAVENT GOTTEN FOR THE LOVE OF

I HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS

[long bison]

Also actually about the keepsakes for the gods

Does it actually help if you carry it after the first room?

The description makes it sound like its kind of a one time thing

[half crater]

it still gives you the bonus rarity

[long bison]

True

[half crater]

but no it won’t force another boon

[sullen valley]

Olympian Keepsakes offer you a "Boons from (Them) have a chance to be Rare or Better"

AND *************************************

[half crater]

re: shielding it’s just basically anything to the front, i don’t think it gives you any more protection to one side

[sullen valley]

Oho please I need an answer I'm going to die in real life

[half crater]

idk lol

[long bison]

Ok ya so its exactly the same?

[half crater]

yeah

[long bison]

Thanks I just wanted to double check before I spend the titan blood :P

It looks like a dope aspect, I like bull rushing so I imagine it should be a fun time

[sullen valley]

On one hand I could have a likelier chance to beat this run. On the other, I could stop going for "Only Dio" runs.

I have an Artemis legendary for cripes sakes and I didn't even GO for her at all!

[dusty ridge]

go for the list

[half crater]

if you’re doing only dio runs prolly just roll for it lol

get that spicy 100%

[dusty ridge]

get rid of it

[sullen valley]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhGods forgive me for saying "gods-be-damned" please

Curse of Nausea.

I am going to quit

[half crater]

another great boon lmao

[dusty ridge]

I understand your feeling bro, my last legendary was chaos'

[half crater]

but not the legendary

[opal lodge]

also if you're gunning for specific duos/legendaries

[sullen valley]

I am going to quit
I am quitting the game
I have quit the game

[opal lodge]

try not to pick prerequisites that open other duos/legendaries

[half crater]

it can be worth trying to avoid the prereqs for duos you don’t want

[opal lodge]

since they roll from the same pool

[sullen valley]

aeugh

Alright, now I need a message link to how I revert my save back to the point I previously was.

Where do you find that?

[cosmic hornet]

what do you mean

[sullen valley]

I was greeted by Skelly

[dusty ridge]

you mean redo the same run?

[half crater]

if you quick out without leaving the room, you can just start again

and it will put you back where you were

[sullen valley]

And if you quit the game after accepting a Boon (but not choosing)?

[half crater]

i think it resets?

not 100% on when all the autosaves happen tbh

[sullen valley]

Alright, how do you revert your save back to where you were

[dusty ridge]

giving up will reload the save to before you started the run, closing the game will spawn you back at the entrance of the room (iirc) but the seed will stay the same

[sullen valley]

I didn't give up, I close the game via Steam's "Stop"

[half crater]

i would say probably you can just start the game again

[river wing]

I just got lightning rod with 6 bloodstones, double strike, zeus legendary. I think it was around 1000 dps just from lightning rod alone. lol

[sullen valley]

hhhhhhThat was such a good run though

[half crater]

otherwise you’ll need to look through the save files, i think it keeps some previous autosaves or something?

[sullen valley]

Yeah that where's the message or pin for that

[half crater]

i’ve never done this personally

[cosmic hornet]

closing the game can return you to the game's room if you haven't taken any damage (or deal any damage? ) or reroll a boon (in case of shop)
otherwise it counts as a give up iirc

[sullen valley]

it's what I wAS-

[river wing]

if you quit after having taken damage. the game restarts you in house of hades i think

it's a cheese prevention mechanism

[cosmic hornet]

ye

[sullen valley]

So basically by rerolling a boon I basically did Give Up.

[dusty ridge]

not sure, but I think that boss rooms (or the room prior?) as well as last area, yo ucan't quit without auto giving up

I think someone mentioned this before

[sullen valley]

I still don't know where that save file altering message is please for the love of the fates

I just want one thing, a singular thing

[half crater]

wym by save file altering message

[sullen valley]

So you know how people sometimes crashed at the beginning of 1.0?

[river wing]

The game does tell you when you can quit without giving up, if you do it through the menu afaik

[cosmic hornet]

ye

[sullen valley]

And how a pinned message explained how to fix it?

Because it would sometimes reset someone's run after talking to ||Persephone||?

[dusty ridge]

I'm assuming it would be in #h1-tech-fixes then

[half crater]

ohh

yeah that’s not a pin; it’s just the message in #h1-tech-fixes

if you scroll down it’s under “If your game crashed and you lose progress”

well, scroll up slightly since you start at the bottom

[river wing]

that's meta progression recovery tho. i don't think it relates to what you're after

[half crater]

idk if it’ll work yeah, but that’s the only thing that might

that i know of anyway

[sullen valley]

Alright, so I'm not gonna reroll this time.

Well crap it's the same thing

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I want to die

Are rerolls the same every time?

[dusty ridge]

you mean after reloading a run through giving up?

[sullen valley]

So like

[dusty ridge]

the seed is the same, so unless you force boons with keepsakes I think everything is the same

[sullen valley]

I reset my save back to the point before I bought the 450 Dio Boon

And it's given me the same options as before

If I were to reroll, will I still get Curse of Nausea just like last time (along with whatever else was there)?

[dusty ridge]

Never confirmed it for myself but I think so

same seed = same rng

[sullen valley]

Well...if any's a time to experiment, screw it, gonna confirm myself. I already altered the save anyway so

Yep, same thing.

[dusty ridge]

stops ppl from cheating rng and allows you to perfect a run if you feel like it

[opal lodge]

well technically you can change the seed from second room on

[sullen valley]

Ending the Hades Task instead of using Steam's "Stop" to quit out of the game will not count as you Giving Up

[opal lodge]

with RNG uses

[sullen valley]

We have made minor, but progress in video game science today, bois

[opal lodge]

but that's into the realm of routing/modding

and out of the scope of this channel tbh

[sullen valley]

And I have gone almost nowhere with my fated list god f-

[opal lodge]

that's why you see runners cast in routed runs

[sullen valley]

I say almost nowhere it's literally nowhere

Huh. Did Ice Wine always have a small delay before casting?

[opal lodge]

depends on the weapon

hera/beo yes

everything else no

[sullen valley]

Uh

Rail

[opal lodge]

huh

weird

should only be hera/beo

might be slight delay but should be much quicker than the trippy shot lob

for all other weapons

[sullen valley]

Hm, double pom Urge to Kill (Epic 22%) or double pom Trippy Shot/Ice Wine (Epic 271)?

Technically went for a Cast run, but not solely focusing on Cast.

...Does Urge to Kill multiply with Ice Wine?

[cunning urchin]

They're additive.

[sullen valley]

So basically with double pom Urge to Kill and Ice Wine I now deal 300 damage with 200dmg Trippy Shot

or more than, more like.

I have Pressure points on this damn thing.

Pfheh, aw man.

Y'know it's only now that I realized I actually like using Sword's special more

It can't be cancelled with a dash anymore!

[proven osprey]

You weirdo

[sullen valley]

Does Piercing Wave apply effects?

No, no it does not.

[unborn pebble]

Wait, really?

[sullen valley]

Yep

[unborn pebble]

Did you make Steam go offline before you restarted Hades??

[sullen valley]

Nope

[long bison]

Once you guys are done farming currency related stuff do you guys just leave dark foresight on?

I guess there is still reason to go after some of the currency rooms though since you can get 5+ Hp for the darkness room for example

[half crater]

dark foresight is just better once you’re don’t with currency stuff yeah

[rare kindle]

More boons but common feels better than less boons but rare

[sullen valley]

This game literally doesn't want me to get that Dio legendary

Rerolled three times for a (better) Dio cast, everything except the cast was Epic and not common.

Chaos offered me Maimed (Damages you when you attack) Favor (Better Boon rarities) and again after a reroll

[half crater]

rerolling for rarity is a trap tbh

having those purple boons feels great, but it doesn’t have as much effect as you might think

[sullen valley]

aeugh

[half crater]

they’re nice, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not run breaking

[sullen valley]

oh my god I wanna Carson cry I wanna Carson cry

Game forced me to take a Zeus boon

I rerolled and both before and after I did so all of the boons just gave me something required for a Zeus/Dio duo

And now I got a Zeus/Dio duo!

Well at least I can trade my current flourish with a Dio flourish

"I hate, I have a hatred, I hate"
-Me, at 3 AM, aloud to myself quietly

[proven osprey]

you ok?

[turbid needle]

which is a worse hammer for chiron, chain or triple?

[proven osprey]

well triple does something

Chain shot is just garbage to me

not that I know anything about bow lol

[limber topaz]

Hello and this has probably been asked before but, what's a good build for Chiron bow or Chaos shield?

[cosmic hornet]

for chiron bow either dio special or artemis special, getting their duo with aphro attack if possible
for chaos shield zeus special, ares special, or dio special

[limber topaz]

Thank you!

[wooden gyro]

what is best weapon option for a begginer player except sword?

[river wing]

everyone finds different weapon easiest for them.

[wooden gyro]

i have no aspects upgraded yet so you know...

[river wing]

Just try them all out honestly.

[wooden gyro]

yy i did sword is my fav with ares/zeus/poseidon boons

and bow a bit

sword makes me more confortable to play

[river wing]

There's a pin with basic build ideas in #h1-for-new-players

[wooden gyro]

oh thank uu

my english are bad so now i see

😛

[undone anvil]

another build for Chiron I like is the Ares special but you gotta pray that you also get Dire Misfortune lol

[languid dagger]

Guys, how good is pulsing shot on casters? I have taken it couple of times but more accidentally, wasn't a caster build

(Ares + Poseidon duo)

[half crater]

oh curse of drowning?

it’s pretty good

[languid dagger]

that one

I am thinking Talos with some curses and this thing on

[half crater]

yeah that should work out well

[languid dagger]

tried another caster yesterday - Poseidon Sword + Lightning Phalanx on Heat 14, that was beastly af, even without extra casts

[half crater]

ares attack is already highest dps for fists, so that’s good synergy

[river wing]

highest dps o.o

that's debatable imo

[half crater]

take it up with Nyaaanyaa, she did the math

it’s comparable to lightning strike, exactly which does more damage is probably somewhat context dependant

so highest/tied for highest

throw ME into the picture and of course there’s no contest

[cosmic hornet]

wait is that with or without stacking doom?

[cunning urchin]

That's only looking at Attack boons per se.

[languid dagger]

damn, it wasn't easy with 16th heat at all (Patroclus honestly saved my dd-less ass) but when the build got going, damn

https://youtu.be/Xd8s3sWq208

stonks

[river wing]

hades aid stonks

for now

[languid dagger]

obviously rare Hyper Sprint and rare Rush Delivery

added some spice

[river wing]

that'd make anything work :B

[remote wasp]

Hello yes, is this SGG? I'd like to file a complaint of 3 five sacks within 5 runs

[gray shore]

Think you should talk to RNGesus about that

[proven osprey]

I figured it out

5 sack is a mindset

Go fast and you'll get 2 sack. Be slow and you'll get punished

[calm bluff]

i usually go to a mini boss room for 2 sack, dunno if that actually matters

is it possible for 1 sack?

[turbid needle]

nope

2 minimum

[drifting vale]

If you're going for speed the 2 harder rooms will clear faster just from sheer less amount of enemies to clear

[calm bluff]

interesting

[drifting vale]

I feel like the only exception is tiny vermin cause sometimes it'll just teleport all over the room thus not letting you hit it so that one can take some time

[wooden gyro]

im playing first time with the shield

what keepsake should i take for the first run

and which boons i should give prio?

i guess the one god should i give prio is poseidon and athena

[cosmic hornet]

poseidon is good for early farming, and athena is great for any builds

if you're looking to go as far as you can with early shield then ares is probably your best bet

[wooden gyro]

yy i just gor tidal dash/tempest flourish

i guess flourish is better?

[tidal tide]

maybe you can just go full power knockback build

[tidal tide]

you dont really special

just go dash

[wooden gyro]

okkk

[tidal tide]

shield's special isnt that effective as other weapons are unless you progress further and unlock some more stuff

[wooden gyro]

i want to play shield for the hydra diamond

i used to play with the sword

[cosmic hornet]

i recommend ares special/attack

[tidal tide]

ares doom might be

yeah

^^^

[wooden gyro]

okee

so the play is to spam the shield and basic att not special and not cast

[cosmic hornet]

yeah

if you get ares on special you can rely on it from a safe spot while focusing on defense

cast is p much only for applying boiling blood if you have it unlocked

[wooden gyro]

yy i have the 3 cast thing

thanks a lot for the infos

oh okk i found ares curse of vegeance and curse of pain

curse of vegeance seems better ?

[tidal tide]

curse of pain was the atk iirc?

[wooden gyro]

no was special

and the vegrance was doom dmg 120

[tidal tide]

ohh

special was pretty cool...

some boons get useless even if they have nice rarity

but vengeance yeah i think you couldve took it

[wooden gyro]

hmm np its just another info for the next time i meet this

[tidal tide]

i mean it is quite possible to use anything that you'd want, it's your gameplay after all!

[wooden gyro]

yes i see i love this game so much xD sure its my fav of 2020 and i never played a game like this

or diablo 2 was kinda same mindset

[wooden gyro]

with bow athenas boom i can choose an epic special dmg and the op dash deflect

u recommend the dash or the special ?

[proven osprey]

dash

[wooden gyro]

yy i think always the play is dash

[hearty cypress]

Hi folks what Eris rail build would you use for going fast

[proven osprey]

Lightning strike / Tidal dash / Sea storm / more Zeus. Smoldering air / Zeus aid or dad keepsake

leave your fingers on A/X and the run should clear itself

if it does not it's a bug, report it here #h1-tech-support

[wooden gyro]

any recommended hammer with bow? i have the triple thing its pepega or no? xD

[proven osprey]

Rocket and cluster bomb as hammers too

[wooden gyro]

i have doom lvl4 and the dash we talk before

[proven osprey]

which bow?

[wooden gyro]

the first one

[proven osprey]

I'd go perfect shot

[wooden gyro]

Heart-Seeking Bow this

😛

okk

[turbid needle]

lmao rocket bomb + cluster bomb = shotgun go brr

[cunning urchin]

Twin Shot, Perfect Shot, Triple Shot, Chain Shot, Explosive Shot are all good.

[proven osprey]

but your build is already from another world

tho

[wooden gyro]

dionysos special is good for bow i guess

[cunning urchin]

For Zag Aspect and probably Hera.

[turbid needle]

I had twin shot + chain shot with rama it was hilarious

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, it's great.

[turbid needle]

the real shared suffering

[wooden gyro]

tyty

[sullen valley]

...Imagine a (pair of) Hammer(s) that allowed you to move with the Rail and Bow

[turbid needle]

would only really work with KBM

I would love to see a twin stick shooter hammer in Hades though lol

[sullen valley]

My TF2 Brain almost says that you said KGB

[peak iron]

Oh ho hoooo dat slaps me on duh knee

[river wing]

lucifer kinda does that

[sullen valley]

4th Glove Aspect is just Heavy TF2’s KGB/Steak combo lite

[peak iron]

I roleplay as a natasha heavy by using Rail and Demeter

[sullen valley]

No but really though what’s “KBM”?

[peak iron]

20 heat is the highest I've gone with that combo

[vital rivet]

how to unlock the 4th aspect of a weapon?

[sullen valley]

Speaking to certain characters will allow you to, depending on the weapon, but the first one you unlock is given by Achilles.
If you want to know specifically, there’s pins.

[river wing]

shant, there's a pin in #h1-story-discussion

kbm means keyboard and mouse.

[sullen valley]

Ah

[vital rivet]

okay okay

thanks

[young ether]

How do Gilgamesh and Ares boon interact?

Is maim also Doom?

[opal lodge]

no maim is not doom

but a maimed enemy will take more doom damage

[proven osprey]

I'm the memed enemy in their point of view

[young ether]

So is there way to increase Maim damage?

[proven osprey]

There's a hammer that enhances Maim

maimed enemies take more damage

but that's not exactly what you were asking for

[tulip zealot]

hey guys im new!! Which is the best weapon for you?

[young ether]

Eris rail for me

And then Chaos shield

[calm bluff]

if you want a challenge eris + hazard bomb

[tulip zealot]

ok thanks:)

[young ether]

That is ... painful

[proven osprey]

it's fun

[calm bluff]

very fun lmao

nothing makes you learn how to time your dash more than "if i mess up i will be stunned and take more damage"

those are how i try to spice my runs up now since grinding to get all my aspects filled out is taking its toll

well shouldn't say taking its toll but i'm definitely being more risky with my experimentation

[young ether]

I finally finish all story and upgrade all pet

[calm bluff]

noice

[young ether]

So i can start to convert ambrosia to blood

[calm bluff]

i ain't even finished with the story and i started doing that

there's one guy i can give nectar and that's it now

[young ether]

I woupd recommend giving ambrosia to your favorite companion

I max out battie very early

[calm bluff]

oh i already maxed out bouldy

i keep a supply of 5 nectar for story stuff

i'm just in this weird limbo where i'm trying to force story stuff to happen now because i progressed... iunno, maybe faster than others?

but gods aren't giving me the dialogue to get past 5 hearts despite doing what they want, so i'm just kinda grinding titan blood for aspects until they do

[young ether]

It happened to me a lot

Like poisedon refuse to acknowledge me beating EM3

[calm bluff]

i'm keeping diamonds banked up for my final contract too but because i didn't look in the book to figure out that guy's name i'm behind in the achilles storyline compared to the others

[young ether]

Sisypus pact refuse to appear

Hypno story was the worst

[calm bluff]

thanatos is the bane of my existence, he's never around and only talks to hypnos when he's there lol

[young ether]

I got him in my 160th run

[calm bluff]

he's the only one i haven't given all the nectar for

i also got hermes' feather to level 3 but he won't give me the line when i talk to him and it's aggrivating

[young ether]

It happen haha

Just have to equip the feather and run into him

[calm bluff]

Also, I read that poseidon just wants you to catch a fish for his heart unlock. Is it being EM3?

Beating*

[young ether]

I dont think so, EM3 is a propecy

[calm bluff]

ah

[young ether]

Poisedon heart is getting at least 1 fish before metting him

[calm bluff]

For hammer prophecies, does taking the reroller at river styx give you the unlock? or do you have to choose them

[young ether]

I dont know that also

I very rarely take the random hammer

It often do more harm than good

[calm bluff]

Same,.

[grim dune]

What's a good place to ask speedrunning related questions?

[dry ember]

Here if it's in general

Hades Speedrunning Discord if it's in depth

[grim dune]

thanks

starting to feel somewhat good about my abilities at least with fist so was thinking of trying to get more in to it 🙂

[dry ember]

I see. With fists, to get a decent time you kinda need to look for Merciful End.

Lightning Strike works well because it's consistent.

But we are talking speedrunning, so you kinda need to go all in with ME.

[grim dune]

yep, I've been getting my times down, I think now I need to look at more in depth stuff

[young ether]

My best time is only 12:30

Still trying

[dry ember]

Here is some generic advice