h1-builds-and-combat

[marsh nacelle]

Two questions. A, how so, and B, does that not make it easier?

[plain river]

Angel and Playad

[plain river]

It makes it so your first boon is all four cores from a god, rather than just 3/4, reducing resets due to getting the wrong first core, and same with your first hammer

[rotund sluice]

Oh another persons bested it?

[plain river]

Your first hammer is one of any of them

then it also removes the possibility to need more than 2 tunnels in styx

Which means you aren’t losing a ton of time to pure rng 48% of the time

[marsh nacelle]

That's interesting

[plain river]

There are a few other small changes

Like it lets you immediately kill yourself to reset

[marsh nacelle]

And true, Styx is obviously luck of the draw on speedruns

[rotund sluice]

It’s to show the skill aspect of the challenge without having to rely on rng o think (at least how I see it)

Modded, I mean

[marsh nacelle]

Okay that's honestly something I wish you could just do anyways

[plain river]

Modded’s main goal is to make the game more about skill than rng

Now obviously not everybody can do that

[marsh nacelle]

Oh for sure, and I highly respect anyone who manages to beat that high of heat, modded or no

[plain river]

Console players can’t exactly

so

[rotund sluice]

Oh yeah I couldn’t dream to beating it

[plain river]

that’s why there is still the distinction

[marsh nacelle]

But I personally don't know (if I was even able to anyways) if I would feel like I properly accomplished it doing it modded

[rotund sluice]

Most people can’t, so don’t worry

I’d imagine you’d feel smt

[plain river]

you can just imagine for height of speedrunning and heat when you’re putting 1000s of runs in

When 75% of your runs are getting shot in the foot by early rng or late styx rng

It sucks

[marsh nacelle]

Yeah, that definitely sucks

[plain river]

so it helps the gamers that can use it avoid the rng

and they only compete with other gamers that use modded

[marsh nacelle]

Which is why it's totally justified for other people to use it, yeah. Perhaps my opinion on using it myself would change if I was constantly dying to that rng too

[plain river]

At 64 heat, unmodded means 75% of your runs

can start off on the wrong foot

Because you have ap2

[marsh nacelle]

And being on the wrong foot at all at that high of heat just means you lose 99% of the time, I assume

[rotund sluice]

More I think

[plain river]

a huge issue at that heat level is damage

[rotund sluice]

And tight deadline

[plain river]

dc2, cp2 and js3 racing against tight deadline 3

[marsh nacelle]

Yeah, when you're unable to heal any of it damage is very very scary

[plain river]

2 extra hits on enemies with 30% more health when there are 60% more of them

[rotund sluice]

And you have no death defiances and only have one dash

[plain river]

You don’t even have stubborn defiance to deal with it

[marsh nacelle]

Yeah, true, although my main thought is normal DDs

[plain river]

When you run lasting consequences 4 the answer is SD

[rotund sluice]

Oh and remember, you gotta beat beefed up REDACTED

[marsh nacelle]

Spoilers are allowed in here, aren't they?

[plain river]

Yep

We’ve been talking about the very last possible thing to be done in Hades anyways

Max heat

But yeah spoilers only really matter for #h1-for-new-players

[rotund sluice]

Oh I still like calling Hades REDACTED

it’s fun

And funny

And goofy

[plain river]

Most builds at 64 are exclusively the ones that run with as few components as possible as is

[rotund sluice]

Like Zeus shield

[marsh nacelle]

Until this 38 heat run the only place I was using Death Defiances regularly was Hades, tbh

When I lost a Defiance in Tartarus (not even at the Furies!) I knew I was probably doomed lol

I still have no idea what is actually meta in terms of builds

[plain river]

What did you switch on for 6 heat between 32 and 38

[marsh nacelle]

The ones I mentioned considering earlier, but I'll list them again

All ranks of Convenience Fee, Middle Management, and Damage Control

[plain river]

😔

Gosh that just seems painful

[marsh nacelle]

I don't think I could really stand any of the others, except maybe a few ranks in RI and LC

Maybe one in Deadline on top of all of that

[plain river]

RI is not the play

[plain river]

I think you’d be fine to do 3 levels of tight deadline if you knock off 3 levels of jury summons and 2 of calesthenics program

And that’s a positive amount of heat

Learning how to effectively use your time should help you as you crank heat up

[marsh nacelle]

Well, uh, I turned everything on to 63 heat and got 8 chambers into Tartarus! No idea how impressive that is but I for one am surprised I didn't just instantly die

[marsh nacelle]

Hrrrrrm but I have more fun not using the timer

[plain river]

fair enough

[plain river]

Did you read the other notes I had for using the timer

Like

at your current pace, even just td1 wouldn’t be able to touch you at all

Td2 pretty much wouldn’t either

since all your extra time carries over

and even if you hit 0, you aren’t done yet

[marsh nacelle]

I mean that's true, I'd probably almost always be within the time

[plain river]

There’s a number of tricks people use to save even more time anyways

[marsh nacelle]

It's just that I'd be a bit stressed out with any level on the timer there at all

[plain river]

Like pausing when they want to make door decisions

[plain river]

Fair enough

[marsh nacelle]

filthy casual I may be, but I do play to have fun :)

it's just that doing really dumb things like 38 heat is fun sometimes too!

[plain river]

I really only play for fun too tbh

we just see it differently I suppose

[sacred hawk]

What should be the first aspect i get as a new player? My favorite weapons are sword bow and boxing gloves. I have 2 titan blood

[plain river]

For sword, nemesis is your best option, and for fists it’s demeter

[sacred hawk]

Thx a lot🙏

[oblique mango]

Exploring the new aspects to see which you like is a good idea, but the Zagreus aspects are real cheap to upgrade, and his aspect of the fists is quite good. Zag blade is pretty good too

[rotund sluice]

How does one optimally build Zag bow? I tried it out for the the first time and it unironically slaps

I’m assuming Artemis attack

[dull viper]

#h1-for-new-players message

[dull viper]

i like to take aphro attack, then any arty boon that opens up heart rend

[rotund sluice]

But what would crit?

Heart rend improves crit damage

So wouldn’t Artemis attack be better?

[dull viper]

aphro attack is more consistent damage and is therefore better in normal encounters

most of the time all that crit damage is just overkill

[plain river]

Aphro is nicer for consistency if you aren’t using pseudotech tbh

[rotund sluice]

I see

Good to know thanks!

Been clearing up to 16 heat with it

[analog mauve]

Zag bow

15% crit chance

[ionic lichen]

best shield aspect for a special build?

[rotund sluice]

Zeus

[lavish glade]

I like the Aspect of Poseidon

It's been very fun

[rotund sluice]

Tis it I’d

Is

[feral siren]

Ngl on the shield is it me or is charging shot like

Omega good

I dont chat here too frequently but like every run i do with it just feels like its a win

[plain river]

It’s pretty much the best hammer on zag shield, chaos and beowulf

[feral siren]

Yeah thought so

Thabks

[summer kiln]

i need help above 18heat.. current highest heat is with a bow...

[dull viper]

what are you having trouble with

[summer kiln]

Adjusting the right heat combo and maybe I'm too used to h2 that i only pick up h1 again days ago

Feels like i take a long time to clear each room

[plain river]

Are you dash striking for most if not all of your shots?

[summer kiln]

No really was doing aspect of Chiron and Zeus

[dull viper]

both of those do a ton of dash attacks

[ionic lichen]

does aspect of zag on the sword let you get rush delivery from hermes early?

[plain river]

Nope

[plain river]

But it will multiply with your other movespeed boosts for a higher damage bonus

Oh whoops

Wrong message

[plain river]

I’ll talk anout bow in a bit just busy atm

[plain river]

On chiron zeus doesn’t really do nearly as much as you think it was due to his internal cooldowns

His lightning strike boons have a cooldown so each source can only prok once every 0.2 seconds

Which works out to getting 1-2 bolts per volley instead of the 8 one might expect

I’d advise swapping aspects because it happens to be the 4th best bow aspect, but I do know a lot of people just enjoy the homing part of chiron

If you’re looking to use chiron special though

Dionysus and artemis are typically your best options for special on chiron

Both really appreciate aphrodite on strike

For their respective duos with her, and aphro is just a strong option for bow strike

Get any special, strike and dash strike additive from chaos

You want concentrated volley > relentless volley > flurry shot

[summer kiln]

Ah sorry i mean i was using aspect of Chiron bow and aspect of Zeus shield on different times

For bow in use diyo or Poseidon for special… zues shield in use zeus as special

I'd mix both aspect with Aphrodite and Artemis

[plain river]

Ah

Then

The rest is your pact and your mirror

[summer kiln]

Oh

[sacred hawk]

Thank you

[wheat brook]

Anyone have any meme or interesting builds for talos or Arthur? (Ive already tried the YoYo build)

[rotund sluice]

Bonk build with Arthur?

Or curse of drowning with talos

[rotund sluice]

Go for max backstab damage

[wheat brook]

Im listening

[rotund sluice]

Go Artemis attack

Aphrodite or Athena special

Go for every source of attack damage imaginable

Get heart rend AND blinded if possible

Go for Athena dash for the blinded and so you don’t get your bonks interrupted

Get shadow slash

One shot hades

[rotund sluice]

Chaos is your friend

Get attack jerky when possible

And bonk

HARD

[wheat brook]

Ight King thanks ✌️

[tight basin]

85% of the time you'll do pitiful damage unless you have high chaos scaling lmfao

[urban hamlet]

does anyone have tips for the bow
im bad at using it

[cloud pivot]

I like to heavily lean on the flourish, when it's built for raw damage I can do nearly 2k damage with a single special

super shotgun build

[tight basin]

Bow is best used by spamming dash strikes. Dash strikes charge the shot much faster and keeps you mobile
Learn the timing by practicing on skelly or during runs and you'll deal damage pretty fast
Get twin or triple shot hammer first, then point blank, perfect, or explosive if you're not playing rama next. Considering how strong these hammers are, you typically play somewhat close to mid range for maximum damage

Very much do not recommend using bow special lmao

[urban hamlet]

i got the upgrade to spam it so im going with that and hoping i get that next time lol

[tight basin]

Slow animation, not many great hammers, much much closer effective range

Oh flurry shot is also really good I forgot

Generally picked as a second hammer I'd twin/triple is an option first

But it's a better first pick than point blank, perfect, or explosive

There aren't cast focused hammers

[urban hamlet]

oh

nvm i remember wrong then

thats mb theres just a lot hapening

[tight basin]

Lmao no worries

There's a cast based aspect for bow tho

[urban hamlet]

ill see if i can get a twin one and not another "more attack"

explosive would be amazing with flurry tho

[tight basin]

I think those are incompatible

[urban hamlet]

ah

makes sense

[plain river]

You need to be dash striking if you don’t have flurry shot

Bananas said the rest ngl I just want to stress that

[tight basin]

You still wanna dash strike with flurry shot tbh

[plain river]

Ngl I forgot that you could still dash strike with flurry shot because I don’t take it

[ornate arch]

it is fun how twice in a row I lost from medusa and that mountain

I hate that boss more than the main 4

[rotund sluice]

The timing for the dash isn’t to complicated tho? Idk I follow the kill them before they kill you decree so maybe they didn’t have the shield buffing them for long enough.

[ornate arch]

It's not , but well I had the pacts that strengthen them

[rotund sluice]

That makes sense

Again, trying to learn speedrunning changed me for the worse

[ornate arch]

Well you are enjoying it so all good

[rotund sluice]

Thanks

[analog mauve]

You have to meg to strip their armor

[ornate arch]

meg?

[analog mauve]

Her summon

Battie is what it's called I think idr

[dull viper]

false if someone is losing to the power couple I don't think they have summons yet

[analog mauve]

I die to powercouple

[dull viper]

uhhh

ok...

sorry

[ornate arch]

I mainly use thanatos

[ornate arch]

dude that was mirrorless run at heat 18

[analog mauve]

Lol

[dull viper]

ok lets forget i even partook in this convo

[ornate arch]

lmao

[analog mauve]

Thanatos is fine but if u optimal solutions to most minibosses meg is the best

[ornate arch]

well thanatos is the best against mega bosses

[analog mauve]

Well only heros and Hades

And it isn't guaranteed to hit them

[tight basin]

Even tho than does the most damage, it's way too slow to consistently hit

Which is why meg is considered a lot better

But also the extra 1k damage Thanatos does doesn't really hit any extra break points except like 1 specific one, but even then meg is still better bc of how fast she goes

[ornate arch]

Well maybe i will try

[ionic lichen]

best god to put on aspect of demeter special?

[placid tinsel]

is taking quake cutter just throwing at medium heat or am i just misunderstanding it? getting back into cranking up the heat gauge and it seems just objectively bad with how long it takes unless you have special speed from hermes, and even then i feel like i'd rather just be using the regular attack to do damage

[placid tinsel]

aphro for biggest damage numbers, probably. if you have sweet surrender, the last 4 hits would also get the benefit from the first applying weak

artemis is also never incorrect, more chances to roll for crit = more better

[tight basin]

Yeah Artemis and Aphrodite are generally ideal

Athena is a common pick because it's a prereq for ME, so it slots nicely

It's still decent damage, esp with rarity

[placid tinsel]

aye, 5 backstab specials with exposed active also do make numbers get big as well

[tight basin]

Afaik quake cutter is pretty bad lmao

I haven't used it in forever and I don't think I've ever taken it other than for prophecy

I've seen like 1 clip of it but other than that no actual use cases

[placid tinsel]

yeah he gets so much hangtime without doing damage or i-frames that it's kind of just... worse than the regular special

die and learn, as it were

[ornate arch]

Depends on your attack boon or other boons but Aphrodite, Athena, Artemis and Demeter all work

[plain river]

Why are you mirrorless at 18 heat

[plain river]

It’s decent damage without exposed on the table lmao

[ornate arch]

Cause I am doing mirrorless runs

And I increase the heat when i clear the previous ones

[plain river]

Lowkey deranged but pop off

I mean RI should be like 8 free heat

[ornate arch]

Well yeah my base is 9 yeah the timer and removing all mirrors

[tight basin]

Tbf atm it sounds like more of an issue that you're doing mirrorless rather than mm power couple is difficult lmao

Mm power couple is difficult but also like

Why are you doing mirrorless runs lmao

No build, no extra dash, basically no recovery, no defiances

Generally speaking, if you want to get good at mirrorless, you have to get good with an actual mirror first

Have clean gameplay, understand game mechanics and timings, your build and aspect, etc

[ornate arch]

I have 200 hours in the game and most of the time I don't lose to the power couple

I am enjoying doing the mirrorless I just need to get past not having death defiance

[jade elk]

Would you choose artemis atack in a nemesis blade run over aphrodite atack? I was debating what is better: putting aphro on the special or on the atack for heart end

[tight basin]

generally speaking, artemis attack is better if you have double edge hammer and/or chaos scaling

Otherwise you want Aphrodite attack for consistency

Otherwise you can pick whichever Aphrodite attack/special has a higher rarity bc common Aphrodite is a little sad lmao

[jade elk]

That's what I was thinking, I usually put artemis on the atack, aphro on the special, artemis or athena dash and just dash strike

[jade elk]

True lol

[jade elk]

I also always try to get marked and the other artemis tier 2 boons

[tight basin]

Should try tidal dash for more dash damage

[jade elk]

Makes sense

But isnt the artemis dash better in this case? You will be always dash striking

[plain river]

Tidal dash aoe really helps

especially in styx

[tight basin]

Tidal dash does more damage via flat damage and aoe

With poms ofc

[plain river]

You also get more value off any global +% with more flat damage

[tight basin]

Better scaling opportunities

[urban hamlet]

whats the best keepsake overall
just curious what people think

[tight basin]

Like base dash strike damage is like what 30? 90 with crit sure
70% more dash strike damage isn't like bad but also your tidal dash can have like base 90 damage or something

[urban hamlet]

also i got to minotaur with that advice bananas ur a real one

[still hate the bow]

[plain river]

As a collective, the god keepsakes

[tight basin]

And it's aoe, scales with global damage (rush delivery), and you can get razor shoals

[plain river]

[urban hamlet]

i will not take criticism
it makes my head hurt

/j

[plain river]

What about it makes your head hurt?

[plain river]

The sheer power of getting your build together early with them far outstrips any other keepsake

[tight basin]

Lvl 4 epic tdash is 95 damage base lmao epic lvl 4 hunters dash is probably like 85% dash strike

Not bad but also tdash just better

[urban hamlet]

i struggle doing dash strikes all the time and if i dont get a hammer early on [once i got one extremely late] its just draining to use the bow. and a good hammer isnt even guaranteed tbh

not the super good ones anyway

[plain river]

I mean twin, triple, point blank, perfect, flurry are

like half of the bow hammers

it’s not guaranteed but it’s insanely likely

Especially when you compare it to other weapons like

sword

But yeah if you can’t get a handle on the dash strikes then bow falls apart

[urban hamlet]

i think im gonna do things with the other weapons first then put all my focus into the bow

[jade elk]

Thanks man, apreciate it a lot

[plain river]

The other half of it is how much util comes purely from tidal dashes aoe

[jade elk]

Try to make a chiron + dio special

[plain river]

numbskulls and styx clear really fast

Chiron is lowkey a poor-mans bow

[tight basin]

Chiron lowkey doesn't teach you how to use the other bows at all lmfao

Maybe like a tad bit for distance but like not really

Chiron is super beginner friendly tho

[jade elk]

Fun is fun i guess

[cloud pivot]

Is Guan Yu any good, and if so how should I build it? Also, if I take Guan Yu and lasting consequences does that mean a total -100% healing?

when I first got it my brain was like "life steal = s tier" but the healing on it is kinda pathetic and the attack itself feels really trash unless I'm fighting hordes of immobile enemies

[tight basin]

Guan Yu doesn't get affected by lc4

The easier and consistent way is getting the charged skewer hammer and playing it like bow/hestia

Very easy and is used in hitless runs when you don't wanna play hestia

The harder way but can clear 64 heat is the spin build. Quick spin and Athena attack, dash strike into min charge spin attacks

Also uses an animation cancel that idk how to explain that well but it is relatively easy to do with practice

Athena attack bc you'd have like a deflect ring for defense, but you can definitely use Aphrodite attack for more base damage

[cloud pivot]

what happens if I take epic rare crop that upgrades 3 boons but I only have 2 boons?

[tight basin]

It only upgrades those two

[cloud pivot]

How does Targeting System work with Lucifer?

[rotund sluice]

the exact same as always i think

the area the bomb lands in while it travels

[plain river]

It works identically to the regular special, it only applies when the bomb is about to touch the ground

Iirc it applies a debuff on enemies that are about to be hit for the next 2 seconds

Slowing them down and causing them to take more damage

[livid stone]

What's a good build for Hades aspect spear?

[rotund sluice]

Go for exploding launcher and spam special after afflicting the de buff

Don’t spin too much cause Hades sucks

And spinning is unsafe a lot of the time

If you wanna focus a lot on the spin put Artemis, Aphrodite or Athena on attack

Artemis of you want occasional CHONKS

Aphrodite for reliability and privileged status

Athena for safety

[livid stone]

Thanks

[cloud pivot]

I greatly prefer Athena on Hades spear attack

it allows you to be 10x more aggressive with the spin

it feels so awkward and unwieldy without athena attack and/or the daedalus hammer upgrade that reduces spin charge time

[feral siren]

Hades generally feels very unwirldy to me so idk

(the spear not the game)

[plain river]

It’s not really used for any speedrunning or heat gameplay due to its like counterintuive mechanics

You want to spin because that inflicts the buff, but spinning takes forever and endangers you

but the spin doesn’t buff itself

So building spin hammers only increases how well you can apply the Hades debuff, and not how the base spear can actually use the debuff, and then you’re buffing small numbers like the base strike/special

on the other hand you can grab hammers like serrated point or explosive launcher and charged skewer to boost your dstrike/special damage

And now have a hard time inflicting the buff

all for the same additive damage bonus that achilles does with a very very short animation

[feral siren]

Achilles so good thi

Tho

[plain river]

Achilles is really good yeah

[tight basin]

Buffing yourself is more intuitive than debuffing enemies

Most people generally use the spin on hades between waves bc there's down time to charge a bit

But other than that, the spin isn't too great

[compact burrow]

Extending jab or triple jab for spear

[cloud pivot]

triple jab

[compact burrow]

How does slippery defiance work if I have stubborn defiance

help help help

[plain river]

@zenith fractal I added the names of the hammers to your list

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795057063226769450/1384551263475208242/image.png?ex=6852d758&is=685185d8&hm=8ebe4cd3c20e53ab63000a508ecc97245dea0f5027ee786a7fbd225fd7f52b90&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1185&height=1113

[zenith fractal]

ty

[plain river]

oh I might want to fix that cropping hmm

I had my tierlist the same way initially but people don't know the hammer icons off the top of their head and kept asking "what's x"

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1384552487045824553/image.png?ex=6852d87c&is=685186fc&hm=d3589987c186cea0c51c0e188b3f90270f73b46de99b8dd180948c13bdebe7e7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1182&height=1118

[shadow dock]

Did they do away with omega cast in this update? I'm holding in Cast and nothing

[lucid oar]

#h2-discussion

[obsidian walrus]

What is the best aspect for early game ? don't have much upgrades and never got to hades, i only beat 3rd boss 'started yesterday)

[rotund sluice]

The one you enjoy, honestly

There are some that are more cost efficient than others

(E, Hera, Poseidon and Zeus. Solid ones are also nemesis, Eris, Zag bow)

Though tbh watching a weapon get stronger is very satisfying, so any aspect works

[analog mauve]

Flurry slash is b

[plain river]

Hmm

Underating it tbh

Real speedrunner tierlists would have it above dedge

[analog mauve]

I can't tell if this is sarcasm

[brisk adder]

Best way to build zag bow? I always start with Aphrodite attack but unsure from there.

[brisk adder]

Is there anything like this for fists?

[plain river]

Sword is significantly easier than any other weapon because of the insanely low amount of incompatibility between different aspects and hammers

Every other weapon kinda has to do it on a “by aspect” basis

[brisk adder]

That's fair, what would they be for Gilgamesh?

[plain river]

Breaching cross goes where double edge is for sword

since it’s just universally applicable for so much value

I kinda have to run rn thou

[woven hare]

Sword with hallowed is peak though

Hallowed ground makes you quite tanky

[tight basin]

Breaching cross is the best fist hammer by far, afterwards for Demeter and gilga it's explosive upper. Could make an argument for rending claws on gilga, kinda personal preference there tho

[brisk adder]

Okay awesome! Thank you!

[tight basin]

Best gilga speedrunner Cherry (and prob player in general, but he doesn't play heat) likes rending claws more than explosive

Main is a global damage debuff on enemies so they take more damage from Meg, so you can get pretty massive damage on asterius at the start of the fight with rending claws

Explosive upper lets you hit both heroes with maim, but cherry says that more damage on bull is more important

[zenith fractal]

Are you out of your mind

The extra standing-strike after every sword-combo means you're losing out on iframes unless you release the button early enough

All in all it's at best in C with the other irrelevant hammers and at worst bottom-tier.

The only case in which it works is if you see cursed slash second hammer. And even that's not strong enough to justify relying upon, you die in the span of much less hits.

[plain river]

He’s been trolling for the last month at least

[rotund sluice]

What are y’all’s fav builds?

I just wanna try out new ones

[analog mauve]

What

I'm not even

Flurry slash is B

Or even A

[analog mauve]

Try 1 boon only runs

[rotund sluice]

Sadist

[analog mauve]

No they are fun

[rotund sluice]

Sadist

[analog mauve]

Even boonless is ez depending on aspect

[rotund sluice]

Sadist

[analog mauve]

Wat

Do eris with only lightning strike

[rotund sluice]

How do one boonies runs even work cuz I’ve been forced to grab boons before

[analog mauve]

Ok maybe not A but definitely B

[rotund sluice]

Wouldn’t that mean I’d have 2

[analog mauve]

Just sell them ig

Turn on routine inspection 1 to get less boons

[jolly chasm]

Or Olympian favor

[analog mauve]

Right

Hi edward77

[jolly chasm]

Hello falseside

[manic notch]

you can get both without explosive, which was the only real argument for it

https://youtu.be/GamgvRfy6_o?si=q0_HqWNwW-R8ksN-

Rending Claws is by far the best second hammer for gilga, turns your maim from a 25% boost to a 50% boost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxNGQjEHYaM

in this example with rending claws and a double big meg you get almost enough damage to phase them both, which lets you carry the maim damage into the next phase

(provided you execute correctly and get lucky with bubble timings)

explosive upper is nice to maim a group of enemies that are nicely clustered, but i'd say Rending far surpasses it in the amount of extra damage it provides

[manic notch]

^ here's a good example of why Rending Claws is so good @brisk adder

[manic notch]

https://imgur.com/a/fists-hammers-lJG3kdH

from ananke's fists guide

[rotund sluice]

Thought it looked familiar

[analog mauve]

This is for speed tho

[manic notch]

i mean he asked if one existed, so i answered lol

[analog mauve]

[tight basin]

Tbf for heat it's basically the same thing

[brisk adder]

Apologies for the late reply but thanks so much for the explanation

[cloud pivot]

is Curse of Drowning any good on beowulf? I'm going to guess no

[proper furnace]

it blocks mirage shot so nope

[proven shuttle]

whats the best shield aspects/builds

cuz I mean I've just been using max level aspect of Zagreus 😭

and beowulf just seems painfully slow

[feral siren]

Beowolf is kinda slow but it hits like a truck

Generally tho- Beowolf for speed

Zeus for heat

Cause wirh zeus you can do the special and block at rhe same time

[quiet ivy]

away from my game for a bit but i'm curious- ancillary status curses like decay and charmed don't trip PS right?

[proper furnace]

correct

[quiet ivy]

dang

i like that the game has all these little minor effects hidden in either assets or tier ii boons

i just think they're fun

i was thinking of how funny it would be if any dem boon + killing freeze activated PS

one god PS lol

but alas

prolly would've known that a couple months ago but i've been taking family favorite on more spins recently

[coral forge]

any chance there’s a place to find that for the other weapons as well?

[plain river]

Sword

Fists and sword are pretty easy but the rest are like

Spear has 80 trillion incompatibilities depending on the aspect

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1384552487045824553/image.png?ex=68581e7c&is=6856ccfc&hm=c30dbf6e1bdfb772bdce37a410fe42288129c899a3c0ced97c582d5ad38ae9d9&

With the asterisk that world splitter is mainly good on a dedicated build for it and also does require a load more intentionallity than a dash-strike build, and the A tier specifically applies exclusively to Arthur

I could dredge up the other weapon ones but I don’t really feel very good about them

[coral forge]

it’s ok ty for the info

[plain river]

If you’re looking for info ask by aspect tbh

like

yeah that’s all there is to it lmao

[coral forge]

is there a link or spreadsheet that just already has all that info by aspect?

[jolly chasm]

Third pin in this channel

[coral forge]

ty ❤️

[plain river]

Otherwise, Bananas 32 heat guide has a lot of info for building and using each weapon

Since the website there isn’t strictly meta stuff

It’s more like 50% decent builds 25% better builds 25% meta builds for each aspect

[jolly chasm]

I think that is better for new players tbh

Lets them experiment a bit more

[plain river]

true

just depends what they’re looking for

Experimenting is good before you get there thou

[analog mauve]

When are you going to move flurry slash to b

I'd even understand if it's in c but keeping it in d makes it look like it's actively detrimental and unusable

[plain river]

Possibly whenever I fix the gpu on my laptop

[plain river]

Like

also Alexca made this newer one

They’re more familiar with sword than I am

[mild whale]

whats the best boons to go for malphon m1 spam

[rotund sluice]

Zeus

Or ares for merciful end

[plain river]

I think you’re in the wrong channel

[merry sable]

...so I am

[plain river]

Fr we need stickybot back

[proper furnace]

<@&456908176877551658> is there a possibility to add the stickybot "this is the h1 channel" message back?

it seems that a lot of players are mixing them with the update

[unkempt geyser]

i think the bots still down

or something

[plain river]

I was just thinking there has been a spike in H2 players wandering over here by accident since the new update came out

[unkempt geyser]

will check in on it 🫡

[proper furnace]

Ty ❤️

[tropic palm]

does anyone have a build for Malphon (fists)? because idrk what to use in it, and also i dont know what hammers to get 🙏

[plain river]

Breaching cross is your best hammer on fists

Merciful End is a pretty common meta build on fists, it’s really strong but less consistent than other options

Ares strike -> Athena special -> divine dash from athena and then you look for the Merciful End duo between them

you need her special to even find the duo, but you’re going to be dash striking a ton to apply doom with your dash strike and immediately follow it up with the deflect damage from divine dash

to drop doom

[analog mauve]

best hammer is between long knuckle and breaching

[plain river]

Fair

Actually just in general

From Cherry

Oh bruh

https://imgur.com/a/fists-hammers-lJG3kdH

Although that is from the speedrunning discord rather than with regards to heat

and is more geared towards demeter and gilgamesh than either zag or talos, so special hammers have higher value

[manic notch]

not aspect specific really, just the fact that the gilga special hammer happens to be the second best fist hammer overall

[long wagon]

hi yall, relatively new player here (recent 1st clear), been loving aspect of hera. i have some questions about hera/game in general:

1. does hera upgrade do anything if used with dionysus cast
2. w/ hera, what are the advantages of other casts over dionysus? the aoe + hangover is huge and it doesnt feel like the other casts outdamage dio or have any other advantage. the exception being cast recollection time, but i feel like for that to matter it requires max hera (i have lvl2) or hermes quick reload. i actually got a run with aphrodite cast + quick reload and it was fun to have an extremely fast gameplay loop of shoot/collect but aphro cast still felt weak, i think i was doing less single target dmg than my hera dio runs. i also took a ton of damage doing this (maybe because this isn't my playstyle, i prefer patient/ranged). are non-dio casts just not good with low level hera or am i missing something
3. about the hermes quick reload, coudlve sworn it was common boon that said 3.1 seconds? dunno how its that low, did hera do anything or some other game mechanic affect it or am i misremembering
4. is the bow special (excluding chiron) like any good i literally never click it
5. is dark foresight actually that mandatory (w/ the contractor dice/pom upgrades). i like dice and gambling :3

[proper furnace]

3. Hera's and quick reload effects are added together and displayed as so.
4. No not really outside of hidden bow

[rotund sluice]

1: Nope. Hera affects the drop out rate of blood stones (the casts), and Dionysus does not implant any casts. Therefore, it does nothing in terms of how long the fog remains.
2:
As Dionysus does not implant anything, it takes longer to “reshoot” between shots, as you have to wait for the fog to clear instead of letting your bloodstones drop. This means that Hera often does more damage and can affect more non boss enemies as you get your casts back faster.

[rotund sluice]

Yo we’re in sync

[proper furnace]

5 - absolutely

Figured you were answering the others lol

[rotund sluice]

Tyty

[proper furnace]

Generally you have a 50/50 ratio between blue laurels and gold laurels

[plain river]

2. Aphro cast is massive damage with good aoe which lets you immediately repickup your casts

[long wagon]

lol love the sync

[proper furnace]

Dark foresight changes that into 70:30 in gold favor

The amount of boons and whatever else you get is ridiculous

[plain river]

You get 7-8 more boons/obols/hearts over your run

[long wagon]

with low lvl hera is repick up actually that much faster than just waiting for dio to expire? idk i might just be patient

[plain river]

if you kill enemies immediately? Yes

[long wagon]

yeah idk ig i just had low cast damage on my aphro cast run? maybe it got stuck at pom lvl 1 or something

[plain river]

being able to immediately regrab your casts is huge

[long wagon]

thats fair

i wasnt feeling like i was doing that with aphro tho

[plain river]

Since your aphro casts should be immediately killing the enemies you shoot them at

[long wagon]

even in styx

[rotund sluice]

Styx is where three Aphrodite casts might not be able to one shot (assuming you didn’t get enough poms)

While Dionysus is accepted as a solid build for Hera, Aphrodite is commonly seen as the best

If you like Dionysus, you do you

[long wagon]

interesting ill give it another shot

in theory its supposed to outdamage dio right?

[rotund sluice]

Yes

[long wagon]

yeah i like dio but i wanted to try some other casts for variety, just my one aphro run and some other casts felt weak

[plain river]

Dio only outdamages if you uberhigh stygian soul and extra casts roll since normally it’s kinda overkill for most of the run

[proper furnace]

Hera dio also misses funny pom bug

[long wagon]

ig this also means you should be using all 3 casts together like always?

[rotund sluice]

A lot of casts are weak for Hera. Zeus is useless, Poseidon is kinda eh, Ares can? Be ok but no, Artemis is aggressively mediocre, Demeter SUCKS

[rotund sluice]

I assume 2 or three depending on the enemy

[proper furnace]

Vibes based

[long wagon]

lol fair

[rotund sluice]

I don’t main Hera (personally I prefer Aspecy of Zagreus bow)

[proper furnace]

Ideally you never load all 3 so you don't have to wait for the casts to drop

[plain river]

2-1-2-1 if you don’t know

[proper furnace]

But how many you load will depend on the run

[rotund sluice]

Thanks you

[proper furnace]

One run might be able to one shot with 1 cast, other might need 2 or more

Or stuff like snow burst helping the dmg

[long wagon]

ok makes sense, i use a slower pattern with dio as is so ig i jsut need to mindset change there

[proper furnace]

(hidden shield makes trippy flare get double the value from poms because bug)

[plain river]

Smow burst does help out a fair bit

[long wagon]

i dont really have the experiecne yet to know how much power i have i just shoot enemy til they die :)

[proper furnace]

Hera doesn't get the bug for whatever reason

But it does have the mirage bug

[long wagon]

whats hidden shield?

[rotund sluice]

See if they die in one. If no, use two. If no, use three. If no, it’s a boss.

[long wagon]

snow burst is inflict chill around impact or yourself?

[proper furnace]

Yourself

[rotund sluice]

Wait shouldn’t this be in #h1-for-new-players ?

[proper furnace]

The 4th aspect

[long wagon]

ah ok

[proper furnace]

Marked as ??? For you probably

[long wagon]

i dont mind spoilers yeah i alr know what msot of the hdiden aspects are i think

[rotund sluice]

Okokok

Just checking

[long wagon]

yeah idk what counts as new players, i made first clear recently and was asking on hera build advice so i figured this would be best channel

[plain river]

It’s like hera but for your bull rush and all the casts are swapped for a larger aoe “flare” which are bugged

[proper furnace]

Oops, all bugs

[plain river]

You can still be spoiled for main story mthings up to the tenth win

[long wagon]

yeah i already know some things that happen in main story

i kidna ruined the main plotline for myself like 3 years ago oops

[rotund sluice]

I consider anyone who hasn’t reached the credits as “new”

[long wagon]

i tend to do that for games

[rotund sluice]

So you’d still be “new” for me

[long wagon]

ok makes sense

thanks everyone for the advice :D

[plain river]

I consider anybody who hasn’t cleared 64 heat “new”

[proper furnace]

Hi new player

[final coyote]

I can now do 20 heat comfortably lol

with th eknuckles, gun or spear

[plain river]

Hi

[rotund sluice]

Noice

[final coyote]

but i just did a run with aspect of talos just now and it was so hard

[rotund sluice]

Talks sucks

[final coyote]

I'm not used to that magnetic cutter

[rotund sluice]

Talos sucks

[final coyote]

yeah I'm usually a demeter guy

[proper furnace]

Talos stinky

[rotund sluice]

Hell yeaaa me too

Fists mains unite

[final coyote]

earlier today I did a run with demeter knuckles and merciful end

twas fast

what's your fav build with demeter?

[plain river]

ME

lmao

[rotund sluice]

ME or Zeus and Aphrodite with smouldering air

How do you spell smoldering

Idk

[final coyote]

twas you who suggested this to me and I'm so grateful

[rotund sluice]

It’s broken as hell

What’s ur fastest time?

[final coyote]

ME + impending doom

oh I'm not very fast.. like 16 mins

[rotund sluice]

That’s fine

A good time is a time that’s good for you

Some good times are just faster than others

[plain river]

Smouldering has a U if you aren’t spelling it like a bloody american

[plain river]

Man I was so close to sub10ing with it the other day

It was like

a matter of me taking a maimed boon in tartarus

that lost me the 14 seconds

Because I wasn’t expecting the run to go well I just did it on a whim

And then the run went extremely well

😔

[rotund sluice]

Shucks

The only sub 10 weapon I have is the fists

And it’s sub 9

(I went from 10:25 to 8;57)

[plain river]

Likeee

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1382638615049408644/A62E3EBE-7FB1-48A4-BFCA-13208AD959A4.jpg?ex=685b0b4e&is=6859b9ce&hm=b3a0d4101c85e3468bb0ae0feb153a6129a8921d17626d826ec6cd90b6b06687&

Maimed eclipse

Was it worth it

[plain river]

Crazy jump btw

[rotund sluice]

Nope

[rotund sluice]

Ikr

I was hella confused

I got ME in Tartarus, so that helped

[plain river]

Oh that’ll do it

[rotund sluice]

Ok so u have a faster time on the bow, rail and shield

[plain river]

I don’t really like sword or spear as much

[rotund sluice]

I have a 10:20 on the sword

[plain river]

I can’t get them to feel right despite playing them arguably an equal amount as the other weapons

[rotund sluice]

Around 10:56 with spear I think?

[tight basin]

Have you tried getting ME in c3

[plain river]

um

[rotund sluice]

Yes

[plain river]

I always try

[rotund sluice]

I’ve gottten it before

[plain river]

Maybe I should just rng manip

[rotund sluice]

Well 3 or 4

[plain river]

until I get c3 ME

[rotund sluice]

Think 3

[plain river]

and C4 divine dash

[rotund sluice]

And c5 impending doom

[plain river]

Nah that’s pushing my luck too far

[rotund sluice]

And c5 divine dash and ME isn’t?

[plain river]

Everything else you add on exponentially decreases the odds of it happening

[jolly chasm]

Bruh, I’ve never even gotten c3 mirage

[rotund sluice]

I’ve gotten ME c3 once

[plain river]

C3 heroic hyper delivery

[rotund sluice]

Yeah no lol

[jolly chasm]

Trueeee

And 18 Ichors as well

[rotund sluice]

Shall we add a chaos gate too?

[plain river]

Only 18 ichors by c3

Do you even play Hades

[jolly chasm]

No 😔

I’ve never played

I’ve heard it’s good tho

[rotund sluice]

I recommend

[plain river]

How many ichors did the run control wr have by Hades

[jolly chasm]

12 or 13 iirc

You can’t get too many or it just gets obnoxious and pointless

[rotund sluice]

But vroommm

[jolly chasm]

But vrommmmmmm is fun until it is unplayable

Still funny tho

[plain river]

Oh true

Too much movespeed is uncontrollablep

[ornate sparrow]

My best build so far has been, achilles spear, dio cast, scintillating feast, static discharge, flurry cast, quick reload and a couple extra casts from chaos. finished in like 10 mins with just cast, 25 heat, EM 4. Yall should try it

[analog mauve]

nice

[drifting trout]

damn why cant any images be sent here

[livid stone]

What's a good cast build to pair with the Poseidon aspect sword?

[rotund sluice]

Artemis or Aphrodite

[livid stone]

Anything else?

[rotund sluice]

Lightning phalanx also works

[livid stone]

Like any other boons that synergize well with it or do I only care for the cast and poms to upgrade it?

[rotund sluice]

Artemis is for exit wounds and mirage shot

[rotund sluice]

Hmmm

Depends on the cast

Exit wounds is pretty helpful

Not broken

But helpful

Mirage shot is nice

Chaos is your best friend

[livid stone]

I'll go for a mirage shot build, that sounds fun

[rotund sluice]

Go for it

[livid stone]

Arty cast, Poseidon special, right?

[rotund sluice]

Splash dash is preferable

[livid stone]

Fair

[plain river]

Honestly if you’re doing mirage shot on pos sword

You’re better off with pos cast I think

the aoe on your main damage source is way more valuable than the miniscule crit chance arte cast has

[livid stone]

I'll give it a shot, thanks

[livid stone]

No pun intended

[rotund sluice]

What’s ur favourite unique/off meta build, chat?

[livid stone]

So yeah, pos cast does more damage, but arty cast hits those shield enemies in Elysium even when you're firing from the front and the damage difference is negligible enough that I find that utility to be much more worth it

[plain river]

Ah I figured the aoe of pos cast would matter way more in the average room

And I have a feeling it ultimately does

[livid stone]

Yeah, it does better in the average room, but maybe it's just me but I always find shield enemies in Elysium to be the trickiest regular enemy type to beat in the game so I'm okay with the trade off

The difference isn't that great imo

It's probably just a skill issue on my part tbf

That I struggle with the shield guys

[livid stone]

What's the best way to beat Hades without using any boons?

I heard there's some unique dialogue if you pull it off and I wanna hear it

[plain river]

Hestia is probably your best bet

Big damage and big range

Otherwise use a shield with charged shot

Zeus shield preferably

[storm matrix]

hi yall im new here is aspect of guan yu good? i just beat the game the first time and i also unlocked guan yu idk if it's worth it

[plain river]

Non-purgable boons don’t count for the boonless dialogues so you can take any chaos boons you want

[livid stone]

Hestia gun?

[plain river]

What else

[plain river]

Yes, but you need to put a bunch of blood in for it to really be usable

So

Hold off on it for now

[livid stone]

Just making sure

[storm matrix]

what 3rd aspect should i get from what i saw i think the shield is kinda good

[livid stone]

Do I just have to get lucky with starting off with a hammer upgrade or can I purge the boon for the same effect?

And I'm assuming RNG to not get forced into taking boons is also a factor?

[plain river]

You can purge all the boons you want

[plain river]

Eh you can just save your rerolls and use them to purge as many boons as possible in between levels too

[livid stone]

Oh good point lol

Wait, that's allowed? You still get the special dialogue even if you use boons as long as you purge them all before the Hades fight?

[plain river]

Yeah

[livid stone]

Oh that's sick

Hysterical too

[storm matrix]

is there faster way to get titan blood? ive been struggling to get it

[plain river]

You can buy it from the styx shop, trade up resources, fish, or keep boosting your heat on each weapon

[storm matrix]

oh alr thanks

[livid stone]

There is RNG involved, I didn't get the satyr sack in 2 and now I'm forced to pick a boon room

[plain river]

Well yeah

It isn’t that easy

[livid stone]

Very annoying

Cuz the sack was in the next room

Gonna have to do this again

[livid stone]

Wow, take 2 was even meaner with 4 boon rooms so it would've been impossible to get it in 2 without getting a boon

[plain river]

Go thro boon tunnel -> go through regular tunnel and pray for a purging well

[livid stone]

There we go, third time's the charm

[livid stone]

Yeah, I realized the second after I picked the non-boon room

I got it the next attempt tho so it's all good

Plus these 3 runs gave me enough darkness to finally get the last fated persuasion upgrade in the mirror, so worth it overall I'd say

[rotund sluice]

Assuming you mean hidden aspect, the shield’s is the best, the sword is slow but tanky, the bow is good, the fists is eh and the rail is ok.

[storm matrix]

do I need to spend 5 titan blood for the shield in order to get the hidden aspect? or i just need to talk to chaos till i get the waking phase

[little echo]

you need the Eternal Spear Aspect of Guan Yu revealed and Speak to Chaos while wielding the Shield in any aspect+ 5 bloods invested in a shield aspect

[coral forge]

is there a way (other than random well of charon) to have better chances for chaos to spawn? feel like half the time i dont see one spawn the entire run

[tight basin]

Nope lol

Just rng

[coral forge]

[coral forge]

oh wait are you the bananas that wrote the 32 heat guide

[tight basin]

Yeah lol

[coral forge]

i’ve been using it every single day lol, appreciate all that effort you put into it

[tight basin]

Lmao np

I just didn't want to study for finals so I wrote the thing lmao

[coral forge]

lmao don’t blame you. seems like it’s quite hard to find other guides that give a simple layout of gods / boons to use

[tight basin]

There aren't any good guides out there at all yeah

It's mostly just speedrunning guides

Those are really good tho

But I saw one too many cursed 32 pacts/builds and decided to write it lmao

[coral forge]

do you just mean the guides from the speedrunning website

[tight basin]

Yeah

The guides on the speedrun website are all written by like top players

Or at least like

Very very good players lmao

None are for heat tho

[coral forge]

yeah i’ve been doing a lot of reading / watching from the site as well as a couple YT channels that seemed to have a lot of knowledge (duunk0 and haelian mainly)

[tight basin]

I've never seen any of duunk0s stuff but I heard he's good

[coral forge]

just sad he kinda disappeared completely

[tight basin]

Haelian is more geared towards content creation so a lot of his build videos are a bit sus lmao

The builds work bc he's a really talented player, so anything with like a hint of decency is going to work for him

generally wouldn't recommend some of his builds to the average player lmao

There's a build guide pinned here actually that's really good

[coral forge]

yea i just watch his stuff and see how the builds play out. if its something that looks fun or is generally overall a good build i’ll try it out but some of them are like wtf?? haha

[coral forge]

the leeram link?

[tight basin]

Yeah

[coral forge]

yea i’ve looked into that one as well

[tight basin]

I also linked it in the 32 heat guide iirc

I still need to add some stuff to the guide

Arthur stuff mainly

[coral forge]

i believe so. any time i pick up a new game thats a lot of fun i always end up migrating towards doing my best to be “meta”, speedrunning etc so been looking into as much as i can

[tight basin]

I generally try to finish the game myself without looking up guides and then looking up stuff later

Kinda why I'm not doing great in hades 2 but it's fun still

Maybe the rare chance that what I've been doing is actually meta lmao

[coral forge]

yea after i completed the main story is when i started looking into all the stuff for this game. i’ve never been into roguelike/lites or dungeon crawlers before but hades always caught my eye bc of the greek mythology aspect

[jolly chasm]

The info is pretty outdated but not terrible

We sadly don’t have much better guides anywhere else on YouTube aside from the sleep one

[coral forge]

the sleep one? could you link what you’re talking about

[plain river]

This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI&pp=ygUPU0xFRVBzb3VsIGhhZGVz

[tropic palm]

Can anyone recommend/tell me a build for Chiron Bow? Thanks

Poseidon on dash and artemis on special i alr have in mind for now

[rotund sluice]

Dionysus special, Aphrodite attack

Go for the duo

[tropic palm]

I see thanks

[rotund sluice]

Np

[rotund sluice]

Aphrodite on attack for heart rend

[tropic palm]

Ah

Whats some decent/good hammers

I chose twin shot for current run because i ddint get concentrated or the other volley

[dull viper]

bow has plenty of good hammers, twin shot was a good choice

[rotund sluice]

Concentrated and relentless volley are the best on Chiron. Then twin shot, then piercing volley.
I think so at least.

[plain river]

Mmm you are in the wrongggg channel

I think you may be looking for #h2-builds-and-combat

[tidal vine]

ooh

my bad

[restive cypress]

i have twin shot on bow and i can choose between, point blank, perfect or flurry shot. what should i take?

[tight basin]

What bow are you using

[restive cypress]

normal i think, havent even unlocked the others yet

[tight basin]

Perfect then

Assuming you're good at hitting perfect shots lmao

Otherwise flurry

If you're really struggling with the bow, flurry is really convenient if you don't want to think too much

And it's still a super good hammer regardless

[restive cypress]

alr ill try that then

ty

[copper rapids]

I've heard plenty of people say that Merciful End and Curse of Longing lack synergy if you manage to get both in a single run

If focusing all of your DPS on a single target, yeah that makes sense

[plain river]

There isn’t any purpose in Curse of Longing because with Merciful End builds doom doesn’t stick around

[copper rapids]

but if you spread it across multiple, say Curse of Longing on a boss and Merciful End on the minions / summons, there's some value

[plain river]

typically ME builds are built around dropping doom as soon as you apply it

[copper rapids]

I ran an Eris Rail with Ares Attack as the core; started with Divine Flourish and Divine Dash in the initial build up to grind for Merciful End.

[plain river]

Understandably

[copper rapids]

By some chance I got Aphro as a reward option with no keepsake, so I just kept getting her side grades until I got merciful end

By Elysium I got lucky with Ares re-rolls and got ME

so next time I had aphro, swapped out Divine Flourish and kept Divine Dash

thats how I got both ME and CL

if my understanding of ME is accuracte, if Divine Dash reflects a projectile or makes physical contact on an enemy with no Weakness effects then ME triggers if Doom is also applied

[plain river]

If divine dash hits an enemy with doom, ME triggers, and overrides Curse of Longing if it applies

[copper rapids]

yeah

so you can run both if you get lucky and are conscious about DPS spread

but if I had to choose between CL and ME, I rather CL

[plain river]

Merciful End at base is inconsistent enough as a build that you really don’t want to mix in Curse of Longing lmao

[plain river]

Really? Interesting

I feel like if you’re using ME Eris and you get the pieces together like you did, you really get a feel for how strong Merciful End is

[copper rapids]

it is

however in this particular run it was 20 Heat

EM4, 30% Health Boost, Middle Management, Benefits Package 2, and a 9 Minute Time Limit to start

[plain river]

EM4 CP2 is rough for a 20 heat pact

[copper rapids]

Not if you have an insane DPS build with Eris Rail
...or Lambent Plume w/h default Fists

[plain river]

Compared to other pacts?

I don’t really see how this pact would make you prefer CL though

[copper rapids]

There's a couple of Hammers on Rail that make it work

The infinite Ammo hammer and either Triple Bomb or Percing Fire

Artemis helps with DPS via Homing Shot and Support Fire.

Weakness was on the Special, and Ares' Attack with Dire Misfortune and Impending Doom help boost damage

Curse of Longing made it so the main focus of my DPS was constantly getting Doom Stacks

with the very lucky Merciful End boon, adds were delt with via Running and Gunning

[plain river]

Merciful End tends to do that

[plain river]

Is this purely for bossing while you deal with adds and don’t pay attention to the boss?

because

otherwise it seems like you’re just dragging out what Merciful End does in a split second

And at that point you’ve expanded Merciful End out to requiring a rearranging of your core boons mid-run, and a second duo find for like

A miniscule amount of damage compared to what ME just intrinsically does

[copper rapids]

Sometimes the enemy spawns are mostly melee focused and that's when CL would be preferable on Eris Rail tbh.

ME hard carries when dealing with more bullet hell

[plain river]

ME is literally like… the melee build

[copper rapids]

With the final form of the build I ended up with, I can Divine Dash into an enemy that has doom stacks and trigger ME while focus firing on another target and get weakness on them for CL and Eris Buff.

This made mince meat out of the last few bosses

ended up with an escape time of 18:38.41

[plain river]

I have a few questions about this because ME actually just excels in melee

Every melee weapon

can use it

and

they do amazing

I literally just dropped a 9:54 like half an hour ago

Using it on fists

[copper rapids]

holy crap

[plain river]

You can look at it in #h1-victory-boasting

[copper rapids]

I gotta try that someday

[plain river]

It’s literally just what you did buildwise but I think

I think you misunderstand how to play ME

You gain insane dps by dash-striking into enemies because your dash-strike hits them and applies doom and then your divine dash hits and immediately drops it

Which massively chunks enemies

[copper rapids]

oh that I definitely noticed

[restive cypress]

is getting a common boon and then upgrading it equal to getting the same boon but rare?

[plain river]

Depends what you mean by “upgrading it”

I’m assuming you mean leveling it up but you could be talking about Eurydice

[restive cypress]

yeah leveling it up i mean

[plain river]

Because I can’t remember the exact phrasing her item has

leveling is way different from rarity

rarity and leveling are kind of different for every single boon but

I can pull up a few examples

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1087177322844663898/output.png?ex=685fe608&is=685e9488&hm=0a63a656182fb51ae13bd069032ff9aa6d28be24e9ca4a6c12b6825e260c60cf&

You can see the poms scale the same amount regardless of rarity

And then for heartbreak flourish the raritys are like a random 1.3-1.5, 1.8-2.0, 2.3-2.5 c multi on the base

and poms have diminishing returns for most boons

On the other hand you could have like a hangover boon when scaling is practically linear

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1088599008890597477/output.png?ex=685fcc14&is=685e7a94&hm=f36c8e46f7feccb9933c5cd30aa7838ee5ebda3ddfd480706e94a5bcebe27163&

For some boons, leveling it up at certain points is roughly equivalent to a rarity boost

For others it’s half

For tidal dash, the first pom is like 3 times the value of a rarity increase

with diminishing returns after tha

[restive cypress]

damn alright

ty 😭

[rotund sluice]

Can vouch for ME, got a 8:47 run with it

Only weapon I have under sub 10

[waxen dragon]

When you use plume or butterfly keepsake, do you lose accumulated bonuses when you switch to another keepsake?

[jolly chasm]

Yes

[plain river]

Hunters mark just popped off against the witches

Which

…I should know the lines for meg on witches

[jolly chasm]

Bruh

The 4 witch Meg guide is in speedcord speed tech btw

[plain river]

I can easily find a link to the vid I think

Unless

There’s new info since

[jolly chasm]

The satan one?

[plain river]

I thi

[jolly chasm]

[plain river]

think

Most mid chaos

[jolly chasm]

Def outdated

[plain river]

HUNTING BLADES?!??

[plain river]

Ahh

K

I’ll try it out next time

[jolly chasm]

(Cast instead of bullrush)

Idk why it’s even a bullrush

Everyone uses special to line it up on Beo except bigp

[plain river]

Mmmp

5:30 asphodel exit ewww

My 8:01 earlier had a 4:30 aspho exit but

I think that build was just better

And got better

[jolly chasm]

Achilles back half hella stinky

[plain river]

So it made even better time through ely and styx than this will

Tbf what back half isn’t they all suck

OH YEAH I DON’T have rd I have purple sprint and grey greatest reflex 💔

[jolly chasm]

Beo back half is goated

Hera Ely sucks tho

[plain river]

Given it’s a cast build I guess I’m taking hourglass anyways

First Hammer Chamber 28

Yikes no flurry but

I’m already in Ely

Might as well shoot for flurry again

Oh

Whoops no flurry

Uhhh

What do I even

Massive Spin

Flari spin

Vicious skewer?

These are all so buns

I guess massive

Perfect reset time

[storm matrix]

the aspect of beowulf is so hard to use ngl 💔

[dull viper]

charged shot hammer makes it much easier

[tight basin]

Dash strike into the rush, it put down the shield a lot faster

A lot less clunky

[feral siren]

Btw assuming you get 100% dodge hypothetically are you invincible?

Like lets say zag fists, plume and the hermes thing that gives you hige dodgr for a few secs after a call, with zeus or dio on tbe attack

[final coyote]

I just finished my first-ever run with Excalibur on heat 16 it was awful

I never use Excalibur and I might never use it again ugh

It’s just too slow

[feral siren]

Yeah, some of the other swords really do feel a lot better

[plain river]

The only ways to get up to 100% dodge are temporary

But yeah

[feral siren]

Fr?

[plain river]

You also end up sacrificing your build control to run plume so 🫠

[plain river]

Yes

[feral siren]

~~worth it ~~

[plain river]

Not really

[feral siren]

Im kidding

[plain river]

I mean if you’re not running Tight Deadline you could

[final coyote]

Tight Deadline is the one thing I almost never run

I like to take my time

If I get Rare Crop and then I sell it after the boons have been upgraded.. will I lose the upgrades too?

[proper furnace]

The upgrades stay

But if you only got to like epic they won't keep upgrading toll heroic

[plain river]

See I think as you get better at the game the time just… comes naturally

as long as your average runs are lower than 20 minutes igt you’re fine for TD3

[final coyote]

just got to 600 hours playing the game and I still suck lol

also.. how many titles are there to get? I’m currently “unseen shadow”

[plain river]

50

The total darkness for all titles is 325k 🗿

[final coyote]

whoa

[plain river]

Ik

I’m like

100k off rn

[final coyote]

when I first bought it, I never thought I’d be playing this for so many hours

it’s my second most played game on my switch only behind smash bros

[plain river]

I’m pretty sure it’s the most played on my switch

W/ like 500ish hours

[cloud pivot]

It doesn't feel as bad if you take athena on the attack

Also it's insanely strong with shadow slash

you can get 1200+ damage on a single swing

still not a huuuge fan of it though

[formal mesa]

Quick question, if you stack than’s keepsake in early game then switch to another one, does the earned bonus stay or does it vanish ?

[plain river]

Vanish

[formal mesa]

Sadge... thanks for the info !

[plain river]

It’s usually better to just pick the gods you need for your build with their god keepsakes than using than for damage

You’re better off securing the damage for yourself than going for Thans like

teeny scraps of damage bonus

[rotund sluice]

Who u main in smash

Also yeah I only recently found out the copious amount of darkness I needed

[feral siren]

man

i havent even gotten to doing titles yet

havent maxed the mirror yet lol

... i should stop ignoring the troves shouldnt i

[plain river]

[feral siren]

Like cmon i have about 40 clears i think, its not that many sure, but its smth

[waxen dragon]

Apologies if this has been asked, for sword merciful end build, should Ares be on special and Athena on attack or vice versa?

I had Ares on special and Athena on attack so it was routine to be doing special then attack to set it off. Or is it Ares attack and Athena special and use Athena dash to set off instead?

[jolly chasm]

Ares attack and Athena special plus dash

[plain river]

You have the right idea at the end here with the dash 👍 (it also stays the same for Merciful End on every other weapon except Zeus shield where strike and special are interchangeable)