h1-builds-and-combat

[plain river]

@robust sonnet #h1-for-new-players message I don’t think this generalisation works in Hades when heat exists

Not gonna say it in #h1-for-new-players cuz that’s just counterintuitive but

[robust sonnet]

Well

It was said in the new-player channel with the context of that channel

If that makes sense

[fickle karma]

What type of bless and hammer should I use with rama bow?

[vital night]

Artemis attack and dash

Look for twin/triple shot for first hammer and perfect/point blank for second hammer

[cold sky]

anyone got a build for completing with the blade?

[dull viper]

start with poseidon keepsake and get tidal dash, for hammer try to get double edge

[analog mauve]

hellnah start aphro or doom

then dedge and just scale atk or get ME

[bronze pelican]

I feel like Artemis’ Exit Wounds is necessary for Aspect of Poseidon to be really good

[vital night]

Not really

Most of poseidons damage should come from cast scaling. Exit wounds is nice but not the main focus

In fact the best casts tend not to lodge anyways

[bronze pelican]

What are the best casts?

I have not had much success with Demeter’s 😂

It’s a bit clunky

[vital night]

ares into hunting blades, athena into lightning phalanx, dio into ice wine

zeus is good at clearing tartaus but mostly useful to open up lightning rod

[turbid needle]

Ares and Poseidon can be absolute killers, especially with Artemis' duo boon. Demeter's too!

[clever horizon]

Does the boon "Rare Crop" (Demeter Boon) cancel out with "Favor" (Chaos Boon), I'm confused as to how that works? I currently have the Demeter Boon but am being presented with "Favor" as a possible boon choice with 2 other from Chaos

[drowsy gust]

Yall

Aspect of hera + trippy shot ( or whatever the cast name is ) is broken

[unique siren]

It’s good

But Rama still my favorite

[dull viper]

why would it cancel

rare crop does stuff to boons you already have, favor is for the boons you get later

[drowsy gust]

Rama is insanely fun

[fiery kraken]

What are the good boons for Achilles spear? I've tried two runs with the (deflect->instant doom) boon and it's kind of meh

[vital night]

Start tidal dash and look for either Artemis or Zeus attack and a good cast

[bronze pelican]

does aspect of Hera work better with stygian soul or the other one

[vital night]

Infernal unless you’re using trippy flare

Crush shot is best though

[drowsy gust]

Trippy flare has that one duo boon that makes it way better

[proper furnace]

Trippy has a higher end but crush shot will be your bread and butter If you actually wanna play lol

[plain river]

Scillanting Feast and Icy Wind are like

Marginal upgrades

[proper furnace]

I assumed mirage shot bug

Point still applies

[drowsy gust]

Mirage shot that’s what I meant

[plain river]

Ig but that’s every flare lmao

minus thunder flare and icy flare

[proper furnace]

Doesn't slicing also not work with it

[plain river]

It’s not listed to on the bug doc

But I just learned a bunch from the bug doc that I didn’t know before

Like thunder flare being able to backstab

and trippy flare only crits for 2x

[proper furnace]

Surprised you didn't know that one

[weak skiff]

Whats a good weapon for tidal dash

It seems like in every weapon tidal dash messes up positions

[proper furnace]

Yes

Spear/sword/rail ideally tho

Fists with long knuckle can be ok

Oh hidden fists ofc

Can run dash only with it

[vital night]

Everything is good with tidal dash. The idea is to Pom it as much as possible so you’re one shotting mobs and slamming them into walls to control their movement

[analog mauve]

basically dont use tidal dash

[bronze pelican]

The duality of man

[strange cairn]

1. "Tidal dash? Yeah, best boon in the game"

2. "Yeah no, i'd rather play hades blindfolded on 64 heat using a 2009 Samsung touchscreen tablet than ever use tidal dash"

[plain river]

Funniest part is false definitely has like a hundred hours of experience with tidal dash bc he’s a big eris dude

iirc

[strange cairn]

I see

[bronze pelican]

Poseidon Dash and Ares Dash make the small Styx chambers a cakewalk

[fervent gorge]

The small Styx chambers are always a cakewalk

[analog mauve]

samsung tablet cant run hades

[tight basin]

Does he do high heat tho so bold assumption he actually gets tidal dash lmao

[analog mauve]

[proper furnace]

Nor jolted for that matter

[tight basin]

"What is a 'build'"
-false side, probably

[tawny crane]

Serrated point or extending jab for guan yu

[vital night]

Charged skewer

Serrated if you really want one of those I guess

[tawny crane]

Is static discharge or zeus call better just before hades

[turbid needle]

Do you have any other status curses?

[tawny crane]

I got zeus attack and ares special

Dont have cast or call dont know how

[turbid needle]

You're using guan yu?

[tawny crane]

Nah eris rail now

[turbid needle]

Jolted

Since you're firing off so many attacks with that, you're better off getting the status curse

If it was earlier in the run, I'd say go with his call because you can spam the hell out of it. But since it's so late in it, go with static discharge

[tawny crane]

Thanks

[tawny crane]

Chiron bow with ares attack + dio special + explosive shot is really good

Also curse of drowning might be the worst duo boon in the game unless i’m missing something

[dull viper]

worst duo boons tend to be demeters

[turbid needle]

Only two that are really worth anything are the artemis and athena duos for Demeter

[plain river]

Artemis’s makes meme beams borderline usable lmao

[tight basin]

Eris always wants jolted before call no matter what, jolted is basically the priority

[tight basin]

It's good in ME builds as a secondary duo, it's pretty decent

Worst would be like parting shot lmao

Cold embrace

Curse of longing

[turbid needle]

It's a shame you have to get an artemis duo with demeter, then the poseidon artemis duo, THEN artemis legendary in order to make it really viable

[tight basin]

If it doesn't have 1 niche use case then it's bad lmao

[tight basin]

You can get casts from chaos lmao don't necessarily need the legendary

[turbid needle]

But that involves going to Chaos

[tight basin]

That's fine

Nothing wrong with chaos unless you're doing like 40+ heat lmao

[plain river]

That’s not a problem

going to chaos is a really normal thing for every build

[turbid needle]

Normal for you maybe, I only go if I'm just having a fun run through. But if I've got a set idea in my head of what build I want, Chaos usually doesn't factor in unless it's one for collecting as much darkness as possible

[tight basin]

You don't build towards chaos unless you're playing around Dio or Demeter cast

Those builds use stygian soul and need more casts from chaos to be good

Artemis legendary is too far out of the way to actually get ever

[plain river]

Most attack /special builds are just like “oh chaos is just extra damage for my main damahg source, or my secondary damage source

If not you still get something somewhat useful most of the time, and it’s a free room

[ember nebula]

recently unlocked the Arthur aspect for Stygius, had a run just now with Athena/Artemis boons

backstab crits were insane with Arthur goddamnn

i was seeing I think 1.5k hits every 3 or 4 times

[tawny crane]

Flaring spin or winged serpent on guan yu

[tawny crane]

Is pom porridge or ambrosia delight usually better?

[vital night]

what's flaring spin

lmao i didn't even process that as an actual hammer

quick>massive>>serpent>>>>>everything else

[lucid oar]

pom porridge

but usually id take nectar

[vital night]

if you have your core damage boons and your boon pool isn't bloated, take ambrosia

if the former and not the latter, pom porridge

if not the former, take nectar

[plain river]

Refreshing Nectar > both usually and then it’s situational depending on your boons

[fervent gorge]

This is the flowchart I use as well except with an additional factor for whether I've already gotten my core damage boons leveled to help determine what the threshold for bloated is

[tawny crane]

Ia empowering flight op on zeus shield?

[vital night]

No it doesn’t work

Get explosive return

[turbid needle]

If you’ve fully upgraded the shattered shackle, try that with Arthur. Don’t put any boon on attack, you’ll hit everything like a freight train

[ember nebula]

ooooh i wonder if that build plus maybe hoarding slash would do for a good boonless run. daaamn thanks for the tip!

[turbid needle]

You got it! That’s seriously one of my favorite runs to do. Also, the boons from Chaos don’t affect it I don’t think. So if you get something that boosts attack from him, it’ll still have the keepsake’s effect

[turbid needle]

Another run that I do a lot is a critical run. I use the default aspect for the bow, put Artemis on attack and just get a ton of stuff that increases crit chance and damage. But the key is to get flurry shot. That way you’re firing crits nonstop like a machine gun if everything goes right

[vital night]

Hoarding slash is a garbo hammer

Always take double edge on swords

Shadow slash if you’re going to use the arthur standing strike

[ember nebula]

with the bow, my favorite runs so far have been just picking up the explosive shot (300% dmg) and just using it like a melee, going up close and spamming haha. ill try that though, sounds fun

[ember nebula]

wouldnt it be worth it once you get up to 1000+ in coins? id guess by the time i get to redacted, the 50 extra damage is pretty worth no?

[vital night]

50 damage is not that much

[ember nebula]

but it applies before the %+ increases, right? or do i have that wrong?

seems like a great bump to base dmg

[proper furnace]

after everything

[ember nebula]

oh... damn.

[proper furnace]

so even after crits lol

[ember nebula]

wooooow. i stand corrected then, it def sounds awful haha. my bad

[plain river]

Hoarding slash is not the play

It’s one of the least useful sword hammers by default and it’s even less useful on arthur

[plain river]

Realistically you should never be holding that many obols at once

[drowsy gust]

If I was to go for a boonless run, I’d probably go with the spear’s hidden aspect

I mean, in fight healing plus REALLY GOOD hammer upgrades to make it have better healing

Plus if you fully dumped titan blood into it like me then it’s only 50 % less hp

Not HORRID but still eh

[vital night]

not a great amount of damage to use shackle on

epic aphro starts at ~150%

[drowsy gust]

Fair enough

[vital night]

athena on attack is really nice

[drowsy gust]

Mr D is also quite funny

Drunk-anator 9000

[shrewd kayak]

Does aspect of Zagreus count towards the 5 blood needed to get the hidden aspect?

[vital night]

i dont think so

[wise niche]

how do i build demeter fists and rama bow?

[rough blade]

I dumped my blood into zagspects and the hidden ones unlocked after
so I think yes? but tis anecdotal evidence

[shrewd kayak]

Aight… I ended up getting more blood and putting some in non zag aspects, but I still can’t get the bull to give me the hidden gloves

[vital night]

zeus, dio, or ares on attack

[shrewd kayak]

Idk what to do, since I have every since aspect on it unlocked + some, wearing gloves to meet the bull, but no die ):

[vital night]

if you take ares, look for athena special/dash and merciful end

[shrewd kayak]

Lvl 2 zag, lvl 1 talos, lvl 2 Demeter, so I should have 7 in it, I really dunno what’s wrong with the bull :/

[rough blade]

maybe dialogue rng is messing with you
also I reckon you need to meet asterius in private

[tawny crane]

What happens if you get rocket bomb on eris?

[dull viper]

nothing, you still get the damage bonus

either start playing it like a melee weapon or use obstacles in the environment to trigger it on yourself

[tawny crane]

How would you get the damage bonus?

Just shoot at the wall?

[dull viper]

yes

also if you get rocket, look for cluster bomb. it's a super strong combo

[plain river]

Or an enemy immediately in front of you

[tawny crane]

Does dire misfortune work with aspect of chiron?

[proper furnace]

ye

[shrewd kayak]

Many hours later, still no upgrade on gloves. Do they need to be on a specific aspect when you talk to the Minotaur??

I’m fighting him in the lil aside encounter where it’s just him, I’ve got the blood invested in him

The spear upgrade is unlocked but not purchased

[dull viper]

if you've done everything said in the pinned message of #h1-story-discussion then it's just bad rng

[drowsy gust]

Talking to the minotuar in miniboss version is quite tough

As you might get the evil big soul catcher

That sucks so much

[golden osprey]

for Sisyphus's keepsake, does it still count as boonless if you have no core boon but the hermes / chaos ones? (ex. i take the attack speed boon from hermes, does my attack still get the shackles buff?)

[plain river]

Yeah, as long as you don’t have a core boon in, that action will benefit from Shackle

You can take any hermes and chaos boons you want

Albeit this is mainly only relevant for chaos boons

[ember nebula]

im 50-ish runs in and my dumb ass still has the habit of dashing the moment i see hades charging up his spin attack. like i know in the back of my head it's best to wait a second and dash when he actually attacks but

so frustrating when my hand doesnt do what my brain tells it to do lmaoo

akmost lost my streak because of it just now. good freaking lord

[dull viper]

there's a simple solution to your problem

play with forced overtime 2

[ember nebula]

i take it his attacks are so fast that dashing the moment it gets telegraphed actually works well?

[dull viper]

yes

(but everything else becomes much harder)

[tawny crane]

Is aspect of Gilgamesh just doom?

[hazy storm]

hi people, are there some mods that would allow better practice (e.g. being able to fight hades repeatedly, or have some god mode for the fight), and some better bossfighting/speedrunning guides?

[lucid oar]

You could join the speedrunning server pinned in #self-promotion iirc, it has information on savestates and speedrun guides

[bronze pelican]

I got the Clocket again 🥰

[tight basin]

no, enemies inflicted with maim also take 25% (i think) more damage from all sources

and they also deal 50% more damage to you

[bronze pelican]

What’s the best cast to go with Naegling? I’m thinking Dio or Aphrodite. Also do I go with Stygian soul or the other one?

[jolly chasm]

pos cast into mirage shot

and infernal soul is best

[bronze pelican]

Do you load all 3 and then go, or am I supposed to do it 1 at a time

[fervent gorge]

Whatever you need to one shot or 3

[bronze pelican]

If I do Dio cast though

[unique siren]

This isn’t enough

Try one more level on either talos or dem

[fervent gorge]

Wdym

You just need 5 Titan blood, right?

[unique siren]

Level 1 dem and level 2 talos is only 4 blood

[fervent gorge]

They said lvl 2 dem lvl 1 talos

Not to mention lvl 2 zag

[unique siren]

Same thing

[fervent gorge]

No it's not

[unique siren]

Doesn’t zag just not count or am I dumb

[fervent gorge]

Dem starts at 2

[unique siren]

???

Actually

[fervent gorge]

Zag counts I think but I could be wrong

[unique siren]

I leveled it up in like 2021 so maybe you are right n

[fervent gorge]

All 2nd aspects are 1,2,3... And 3rd are 2,2,3

That I'm at least confident on

[unique siren]

That doesn’t apply to any other weapon tho

I’m doubtful of this

[fervent gorge]

Wdym

Every weapon works that way

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Twin_Fists

Wiki agrees

[left rapids]

If Im using Chiron and take a chaos boon that offers bonus special damage, is it better to go dionysys or any other god?
As Dionysys only adds DoT, whereas other gods add more damage, which would? stack alongwith chaos?

If Im using Chiron and take a chaos boon that offers bonus special damage, is it better to go dionysys or any other god?
As Dionysys only adds DoT, whereas other gods add more damage, which would? stack alongwith chaos?

[full valley]

If Im using Chiron and take a chaos boon that offers bonus special damage, is it better to go dionysys or any other god?
As Dionysys only adds DoT, whereas other gods add more damage, which would? stack alongwith chaos?

[plain river]

Ngl before I read your username I was very concerned about two people having the exact same question within like 5 hours

[analog mauve]

If Im using Chiron and take a chaos boon that offers bonus special damage, is it better to go dionysys or any other god?
As Dionysys only adds DoT, whereas other gods add more damage, which would? stack alongwith chaos?

[plain river]

Reasonable false side question ngl

[dull viper]

make this a copy pasta

If Im using Chiron and take a chaos boon that offers bonus special damage, is it better to go dionysys or any other god?
As Dionysys only adds DoT, whereas other gods add more damage, which would? stack alongwith chaos?

[analog mauve]

not copypasta material

[plain river]

Support Fire isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a boon with such an ability and damage with artemis? Support Fire puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a boon with its power and enhancement of the game again. Merciful End breaks records. Mirage Shot breaks records. Suppot Fire breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.

[bronze pelican]

Now this is a copypasta

[jolly chasm]

Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.

[dull viper]

where do you guys get these 😂

[proper furnace]

Divine dash copypasta is from reddit

Post about ranking Athena's boons

Isn't so great? Copypasta is a common one adapted into hades afaik

[jolly chasm]

its easier to get on that discord app and complain about rng than it is to get out in the rng fields and farm the rng you need
-Bright01, 2021

Wiping a bead of sweat off his forehead, bright01 rose to survey his plot. He sighed. Bad crop this year. Row after row of unarmored witches and darkness chaos buffs. He rested his cracked hands on his shovel and looked around at the other plots. He saw dunkko crying next to a dead Elysium skip. Bright shook his head. He should have known better than to plant it next to so many two sacks. RNGesus punishes the greedy. Suddenly, a jubilant cry cuts through the hot, dry air. "Asphodel fountain! Chamber 22!" Benro screams, unable to believe his luck, holding the fruit aloft. His smile fades as he sees the underside, witht the telltale rotting of a chamber 34 thanatos. Too bad he was growing for RTA this year.

Distracted, Bright feels something hit his foot. Looking down, he can't believe his eyes. "Chamber 33 chaos cast damage... attached to a 32 Patty? I haven't seen anything like this in years..." he trails off.

"Oh, sorry, that's mine!" A quiet voice cries out, waving to Bright from the road. Glancing upwards, he sees Ananke pushing a wheelbarrow full of a bountiful harvest, from which Bright's magnificent find had fallen. Fountains, bouldy, butterfly balls galore. Ananke's eyes grow dim as he sees the sorry state of Bright's field. "You know what, go ahead and keep that one," he mutters, ashamed of his own good fortune, as he wheels his motherlode away.

Bright turns around to see Cin glaring in Ananke's direction. "I don't get how he does it," he says, "we all have the same seeds! Why is my RNG crop so bad?" Bright, holding back tears, says "Best not to dwell on it. I believe our day will come. It has to, right?" But Cin has already walked back to his field, kicking aside a mass of dread flight hammers sprouting like weeds...

Shout out to cgull for this one

[dull viper]

this is beautiful

[analog mauve]

Need a 2025 vers

[lucid oar]

It’s just ocke and Edward getting sub5s

[analog mauve]

😭

waiting for the 2027 sub4

[full valley]

sorry boss LOL

had to for the bit

[brisk adder]

Best zag bow build? I know Aphrodite for attack and remember I used to build with Artemis but I don't remember why, been a while since I played

[full valley]

heart rend duo

[brisk adder]

Ah yeah I thought so, wheres best to put Artemis to get it?

[full valley]

special then never use it

or cast and never use it

[brisk adder]

Yep that's what I did lol

Okay so my memory isn't too bad

[full valley]

god damn legend

[brisk adder]

Is Artemis dash any good for this build or nah?

[full valley]

you could, given already 2 gods in pool

[analog mauve]

yes best dash

but dash doesnt unlock heartrend

[brisk adder]

Priority with Artemis would be special then dash I guess

Does a merciful end build work better with zag bowM

?*

Best build for zag sword?

[plain river]

Not really at all

Most weapons that ride off ME are due to their attack speed/ the immediacy of their dash strikes

fists does so well because it’s dash strikes are instant doom application and dropping

with bow you’re now deflecting before you’d hit with the strike

[brisk adder]

Ah yeah that makes a lot of sense, I knew there was a reason I never did it but couldn't remember. Thank you!

[vital night]

ME is a high roll

You can also do tidal dash into some flat damage soup

[brisk adder]

Isn't Athena dash better for a me build?

[vital night]

Yeah so me is one option and flat damage soup is another

[plain river]

Athena Dash is borderline required for ME, but that recommendation was about a different build

Since Merciful End is always highroll

[vital night]

@bronze pelican

[bronze pelican]

Thank you

[sterile yarrow]

pretty new to playing and ive only finished a few runs, what are some basic fun builds I should look into and/or aim for

[plain river]

What weapons/aspects are you looking at?

Or find fun

Pretty much every aspect has a decent build or two they can use

[vital night]

Starting tidal dash works for pretty much every aspect. %boosts(ideally Aphrodite or Artemis) are best on high damage low frequency attacks. Flat damage like Zeus or Dionysus are best on low damage high frequency attacks.

Charged shot is good on shields, explosive return is best on Zeus shield

Double edge is best for swords, flurry jab is best for spears

[turbid needle]

Get the default bow leveled up to the max, then put Artemis' boon on attack. Keep building up crit chance and damage as you go, and try for the hammer upgrade called flurry shot. Watch everything around you die in a spectacular flash of green

[sterile yarrow]

thanks bro

[sterile yarrow]

I cleared with the shield spear and fists, so im looking for bow sword and gun builds

[turbid needle]

You got it! It's a fun build. But there's also the aspect of Hera for the bow. You can put whatver you want on attack (though personally I'd put Artemis or Aphrodite), so long as you put Aphrodite on cast. But keep the power shot for that one. You won't regret it because it becomes a psuedo-shotgun at close range

[dull viper]

for a decent gun build get aspect of eris, start with zeus attack and look for static discharge

[vital night]

Flurry is even better on Hera since you can get casts out faster

[turbid needle]

See normally I’d agree, but unless you’ve got exit wounds and that boon from Hermes that brings casts back quickly, you won’t be seeing the benefit of Hera I think. Whereas with the default, it already has a boost in crit frequency, and you just have to hold attack down to see more benefit from flurry shot

[vital night]

Do you know about wallbugging?

If you shoot an enemy when they’re next to terrain the casts won’t lodge and you can pick them up and use them immediately

You can benefit a lot more from the casts that way

Hera attack is a decent source of damage but atleast 75% of your damage should be coming from crush shot

[turbid needle]

I had no idea about this! I’ll have to give it a shot!

[vital night]

It’s pretty cool and easy to implement once you know how to do it

[livid hare]

i just unlocked guan yu how do i use it

ik "how" to use it but like whats the strat

like ik the mechanics and everything ive played with it before on mobile but i never found a good strat

[vital night]

Either lean into the spin attack or the special

Athena is best on attack, look for quick spin, massive spin, or serpent

Aphro or arty are best on special, look for charged skewer and maybe breaching later

[livid hare]

ic

thank you

i’ll lean into the spin attack i liked it more

[vital night]

If you dash strike and tap special while continuing to hold attack, you can do an animation cancel that makes the spin attack charge faster

Safer and faster

[ember nebula]

You guys mess with Hestia rail? curious what the preference boon is for its attack

Just had an Artemis run on it using it like a sniper, it was fun

[proper furnace]

Aphro attack is generally the pick for consistency

[vital night]

Aphro yeah

Tidal dash start into whatever also works

[ember nebula]

Alright good to know, thanks

[livid hare]

ic thanks

it doesnt feel much faster

am i not doing it right?

i just dash strike, spam special, his spear disapears

but it doesnt feel faster

[vital night]

Yeah

It’s faster by some milliseconds

[still vortex]

Poseidon sword,
Flurry cast
Greater recall
Flood shot
Mirage shot
Second wave
Sea storm
Epic razor shoals
Epic static discharge
Exit wounds

It was beautiful

[livid hare]

for zeus shield what should attack be

[vital night]

ares, dio, zeus, or athena

[livid hare]

ok 👍

[bronze pelican]

does Athena attack cause deflect on Bull Rush as well

tbh I always just put Aphro on Zeus Shield attack

[plain river]

Yep

Athena strike/special will cause deflect on pretty much every alternate option a weapon has that uses the same button, as will other gods secondary effects

Spins will take on the effects, bull rushes, explosions tied to the strike or special added with hammers

Piercing Wave is like the only exception that comes to mind

as long as it gets the damage buff from a strike boon, it will carry the secondary effects of that god/goddess

[vital night]

Aphro is ok, attack is not a significant source of base damage so it’s best used to apply flat damage or for safety with Athena

Actually prefer it to divine dash personally

Oh i guess if you have Zeus on special, aphro attack becomes a good way to apply weak, but I play with aphro on special already

[kind sage]

Hi! Kinda new Hades Player, I'm completely struggling with the Hidden Aspects of Varatha and Stygius... Aspect of Arthur just feels so slow and clunky, I just don't seem to find a build to make it work and Guan Yu's hp reduction is brutal. Any builds I should aim for?(I don't even want to get a clear, I just want to reach the surface with them for the Prophecy)

[vital night]

Starting tidal dash, looking for double edge and focusing on dash strikes should work pretty well for Arthur

Guan yu can either lean into the spin attack(Athena attack, quick spin, massive spin, serpent) or the special(charged skewer and Aphrodite or Artemis)

Don’t split your build for guan yu, it’s miserable

For Arthur you can also start electric shot to clear tart and look for Artemis attack and lightning rod

[vast flame]

What aspect should I use for the eternal spear?

[vital night]

Achilles is the most powerful

[vast flame]

thanks

[vital night]

Start tidal dash and look for either Zeus or Artemis on attack

Hunting blades is very good

[vast flame]

thanks

[plain river]

With zeus strike, athena cast + lightning phalanx is also quite powerful

and static discharge is almost always your best supporting boon option when running a zeus build

[frigid osprey]

Windette has shown how stupid Dio lob cast is

Dio lob, grandma core, Zeus core, just getting crits with Arty

The duo boons are really good

With grandma and Dio duo, the cast is INSTANT

Damn

Got filtered

[frigid osprey]

Aka; more stun because of jolted, more damage because of Dio and Zooz duo, and removing the entire tradeoff from the lob of being slow

[frigid osprey]

And!!!!!!! That’s only 3 duos and gives 1k with crits!!!!!

700+ without!!!

[plain river]

A) who?

[frigid osprey]

Dio = Dionysus

[plain river]

And yeah, dio cast is like decent, but it’s typically seen as a more highroll equivalent

No

I meant Windette

[frigid osprey]

YouTuber

[plain river]

Never heard of them in 4 years of being here

[frigid osprey]

Made a Broken Builds vid

[plain river]

Hades youtube help me Lord

[frigid osprey]

Introduced a lotta people to Drunk Shield

[livid hare]

is gilgamesh actually good? i’ve heard it’s terrible

[plain river]

You’ve heard right

[livid hare]

ic

what makes it so bad

the increased damage take?

[plain river]

Dio cast is like definitely in the top 4 casts you can use on achilles but it’s definitely not first

[plain river]

No, it’s the shorter dash range, slower dash strikes and longer dash recharge time that make it far more dangerous

[frigid osprey]

God forbid someone use a fun build that isn’t The Best

Especially cast only

[livid hare]

ic

so only use it for the prophecy and then never again?

[plain river]

Well you presented it like it was the next best thing since the last best thing and then mentioned a “broken builds” vid

[frigid osprey]

:/

[plain river]

Lemme watch this video because my general view of Hades youtubers is through the floor

A lot of them are just misinformed it’s sad

[frigid osprey]

The cast build is on the second channel

[plain river]

Right

The one that came out 1 hour ago?

[frigid osprey]

Ye

[plain river]

I see someone I know in the comments so my hopes are actually improved

Dude is actually kinda well informed here

He knows Jolted is your best Zeus secondary

oh

But his reason for taking it is “which gives us more stun for our stun” hmm

[frigid osprey]

And it deals extra damage

He always says that

But here the stun is just to trap for later

[plain river]

Watched the video on 2x it’s not half bad

it does seem like a content creator that’s put at least a teeny bit of effort into researching Hades? which is better than the standard

[frigid osprey]

Aaaand dealbreaker bye

[plain river]

I wanted to absorb that info quick 😔

I could watch it on 1x and pull out the same information about the decisions he made in game

So I can say he has decent game sense

Kinda wild that he was like “lets aim for mirage shot” while he had full cores from gods that weren’t Artemis and then went “what do I need for mirage shot” like my brother in Christ

it’s not happening

[vital night]

Lmao

You don’t have to take it personally when someone watches a video recommendation at 2x. It helps some of us with attention issues

[vital night]

“Isn’t the best” is a long ways off from “broken”

Dio cast is nice, I like it better on Arthur tbh

[analog mauve]

Are standards so low

[serene relic]

whats a good chiron bow build to try to get

[vital night]

Artemis, Aphrodite, or Dionysus on special

Look for relentless and concentrated volley

[ember nebula]

aphro attack dio special is a classic on the chiron

go for their duo boon (forget the name but more stacks of hangover on weak enemies)

[serene relic]

ok thanks you 2

[plain river]

If you’re aiming for artemis special, you also use aphrodite strike btw

both of those builds want aphrodite for their respective duo boons (Low Tolerance for Dionysus, Heart Rend for artemis)

[unique siren]

It’s fun

[analog mauve]

Poseidon??

Pos > aphro

[weak skiff]

Whats a good weapon for sea storm builds?

[analog mauve]

chiron

eris

[plain river]

Lucifer

[weak skiff]

Aight thx

[analog mauve]

not lucifer

[plain river]

Lucifer is like

fine enough

Super soaker may be a meme build but it’s like half decent

[scenic fox]

First time with Eris and...well that does a lotta damage

It's funny how the special ended up doing more damage (rocket and cluster bombs!) with Aphrodite special than Dionysus attack with a ton of poms

[proper furnace]

Clockets is the most busted combo by far yeah

[high mango]

What's a good combo for the shield

[vital night]

Dash strikes and charge a block when you need to block

If you get charged shot it’s dash charged shot

If you’re playing Zeus it’s a little more complex. Send out special and bullrush through it while recalling

[high mango]

Thx man

[inland lantern]

hi i am trying 32 heat with the spear but i dont have an idea what god/s to aim for or Duo Boons do somone has suggestions thanks

[plain river]

Which aspect?

[inland lantern]

Aspect of Guan Yu

[plain river]

For Guan-Yu you’re mainly looking at a special build, and only really spinning when it’s safe to do so. your gameplan should be specialing when you can, and then charging up spins between waves of enemies spawning for some cheap ho recovery

The main hammer you want is charged skewer

After that you can aim for serrated point and if neither or those come up, the spin hammers aren’t too bad

In terms of the gods you’ll want to take, you kind of have like 3 options for build paths

-ish

you can run like Merciful End on Guan-Yu (are you familiar with this build?)
Curse of Agony (ares strike), Divine Flourish (athena special), Divine Dash (athena dash), Merciful End (duo), then like impending doom and some defensive boons from athena

The other 2 gods are up to you really

[inland lantern]

if i dont think i can deal with -25% dash range what can i take instead?

[plain river]

just grab spin hammers then

[inland lantern]

ok thanks

[plain river]

You could also build it with Aphrodite special, she offers the highest +% additive of the goddesses (and god), and she gives you damage reduction to mitigate what Guan-Yu did to your hp

It’d be like heartbreak flourish (aphrodite special), zeus or artemis strike, and then subsequent boons kinda depend on which of the two you took

You could also focus on finding additive from other sources like Chaos, and try to use Artemis crit chance by throwing her on special, and grabbing say like aphrodite or athena on strike. Aphrodite offers heart rend for more crit damage. Athena offers Deadly Reversal for more common crits (but it this case you will also want her dash)

Either goddess adds something defensive to the build

From Hermes, for all of these, Hyper Sprint -> Rush Delivery is just a pure damage and defensive boost. Otherwise, Greatest Reflex gives you more dashes for more maneuverability and safesty, Swift Flourish makes you safer since you can loose your specials faster

Swift Strike might also not be half bad

[inland lantern]

i will try the Merciful End on Guan-Yu thank you

[wicked burrow]

day 103 of trying to get bad news

[plain river]

You mean you haven’t got it yet?

That’s quite the lengthly amount of time to not have gotten it yet

[unique siren]

I didn’t get rush delivery till run 160

And things like flurry shot took me almost 250

[fervent gorge]

thats insane

but when i still had fated choices i optimized my chances in pretty much every run

[plain river]

Eh my runs didn’t seriously get optimised until run 200-250 either

[tidal sail]

best build for shield?

[plain river]

Depends on the aspect and your goals

[tidal sail]

i havent finshed the story but this weapon seems to be my best one

[plain river]

because some of the shield aspects have different builds depending on if you’re aiming for high heat or speedrunning- ah

[tidal sail]

like ive reached the styx

[sterile yarrow]

if you just want to beat hades for the first time, then pretty much any aspect is good, but I guess like aspect of zeus and merciful end isnt bad

[plain river]

If you only have the base shield, then like aphrodite strike and charged shot isn’t bad

You can throw zeus call on that for smouldering air really easily

Tidal dash is just good damage or divine dash is just good defence

[wicked burrow]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[plain river]

…h2 victory boasting?

[wicked burrow]

🙄

[full valley]

you can post images here if you post its link

dont have to bypass using a whole 'nother channel

[fickle karma]

What is a good build for Guan Yu

[plain river]

Big +% specials like aphrodite or athena (or artemis and then rely on Chaos for additive) and charged skewer hammer

Your main focus is just specialing and you can spin in between waves for some minor hp regen

[haughty cape]

Hey! So, I need some help about a build for 32 heat with the shield of zeus or the fist of talos

For the shield of zeus I was thinking about something based on winter harvest and forst flourish, and the other boons that inflict chill or even fully chill enemies

that helps me to kill easily some bosses in past runs

(but tbh I haven't a lot of ideas…)

[lusty sphinx]

i'm trying to not take damage without putting in all the effort

rn im farming dodge chance and getting a bunch of aphrodite boons is there anything important i'm forgetting

and also that one athena boon that just makes you take less damage

[vital night]

Just do Zeus special and look for static discharge and explosive return

[lusty sphinx]

i thought dionysus was really good on zeus aspect special

[vital night]

Nah

Better on attack

[lusty sphinx]

are you sure

im not picky i usually just get aphrodite on one and dionysus on the other

[vital night]

yes lol

special should be either epic aphrodite or zeus

attack can be zeus(better value on aphro special), dio, ares, or athena(safety)

everything else is pretty useless

and explosive return is very important

[lusty sphinx]

isn't it only like 50 damage

[vital night]

yeah but it scales with special additive

[lusty sphinx]

oh cool

[vital night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zRbnQfUTKU

take a look at the hades fight and watch his health bar go down a little faster every time ER triggers

[lusty sphinx]

#self-promotion

[lusty sphinx]

no thanks

[tight basin]

i figured dio special is better than aphro special if you don't get explosive return

aphro special is only good bc of explosive return

so i thought the flat damage of dio would make more sense

[vital night]

You’d still want to have call open for dio

And the % still works pretty well without ER

[tight basin]

fair enough i suppose

[analog mauve]

🤣

[haughty cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920030740966703114/1368194013257138246/Capture_decran_2025-05-03_a_13.49.40.png?ex=68175578&is=681603f8&hm=52cd058483fce00aa41c74c8f265740445a7455cbdbd80e583bcb94d3db6ca23&
well… I guess it wasn't bad?

as a build

[analog mauve]

well

[vital night]

It’s fine, could’ve used static discharge

[haughty cape]

alright, noted! ^^
I've play 4 other games and I'm slowly getting closer to beat this bosses with zeus' shield and talos' fist

[analog mauve]

zeus is on special

[thorn linden]

im reletaly new and poor when it comes to titans blood

so can someone tell me the best and most fun build u can do?

also i currently have both bow asspects if it's related to one of those

[plain river]

This depends on the weapon/aspect and also the fun part is highly subjective

[thorn linden]

bow and hera

and for me fun is complete domination

[plain river]

It also just makes more sense to compare aspects of the same weapon than weapon to weapon

Hera’s a good spot then cuz it’s tied for the strongest bow aspect

Crush shot from aprhodite and snow burst from demeter are a really solid start

[thorn linden]

wait

did i just hear

demeter?

til now

ive thought of here as a BUM

not a bum

a BUM

[plain river]

Oh she sucks on every weapon but Hera

this is literally her only build

only relevant build anyways

[thorn linden]

ow....lol

well

which one is better to start with

[plain river]

She has like meme beams but no convential build wants her aside from this Hera one

start with crush shot

snow burst just works really well on the loading castpects

[thorn linden]

which cast?

[plain river]

She’s also the only goddess like this every other god has significantly more build

[thorn linden]

dionises

[plain river]

…crush shot

from aphrodite

[thorn linden]

ow

[plain river]

[thorn linden]

i thought it was

the attack one

[plain river]

Oh you though I meant heartbreak strike

no

[thorn linden]

mb idk the names well :\

[plain river]

Shot = cast boon

Strike = attack (strike) boon

[thorn linden]

ow

well what lvl do i get it too

with titan's blood

[plain river]

Eh you should be fine with just lvl 1 hera if you’re low on titans blood like

[thorn linden]

i have 2 extra

[plain river]

Your cast should be killing most enemies fast enough that the only time the lodging part comes into play it bosses and maybe minibosses

[plain river]

If you want to use them on Hera, sure. But you can also just save em if you want Hera is pretty functional at level 1

[thorn linden]

k

[plain river]

For hammers it’s a bow so you’ll be looking for like flurry shot, twin shot/ triple shot, perfect shot/ point-blank shot

[thorn linden]

which is better?

[plain river]

Flurry shot is like more viable on Hera than on say Zag bow so I know I’ve seen some Hera runners rank it higher than twin and triple

Twin and triple are more important that Perfect and Point Blank

[thorn linden]

aight

so

double shot

aphordite cast

demetre's snow burst

[plain river]

For the strike boon you should be good with any of the +% goddesses so artemis athena aphrodite whoever you find

Dashes it’s nice to pick up tidal dash or divine dash depending on who you find

[thorn linden]

should i take notes?

[plain river]

The best dps calls are zeus and dionysus but it just depends on who you find again

Eh

I don’t really have too much more to say beyond this

[thorn linden]

i need a summary bro 😭

[plain river]

Key parts:
aphro cast.
Snow burst from demeter.
Hammers are
Twin/Triple > Flurry > Perfect shot /Point Blank shot (avoid sniper shot if none of these come up)

Less picky stuff:
Strike can be any +% goddess you find (artemis, athena, aphrodite, demeter)
Dash can be anyone you find but ideally poseidon or athena
Call can be anyone but ideally zeus or dionysus if you stumble upon them

[thorn linden]

u are goated

[plain river]

Grab chaos when you can cuz he has a lot to offer for you

Extra casts ≈ Extra Cast Damage > Dash strike boosts > Strike boosts

[thorn linden]

kk

thnx ♥️

[plain river]

Hermes is just generic stuff that applies to pretty much every build

Hyper Sprint -> Rush Delivery gives you big damage

Or Greatest Reflex for every survivability (unlike most weapons, bow doesn’t really get a massive dps boost from extra dashes)

[thorn linden]

uhhhh im getting a brain overload

i've had the game for around 4 days

[plain river]

Honestly general rule of thumb is chaos almost always has something good to offer and hermes has 3 boons that are pretty universally great

That’s essentially the end part that I’ve thrown down after the main Hera Build

[thorn linden]

ok

[livid hare]

for eris rail does it increase zeus thunderbolt damage?

[proper furnace]

Yup

If the buff says "you deal more dmg" anything that's from zagreus will be buffed

[haughty cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920030740966703114/1368316545046024205/image.png?ex=6817c796&is=68167616&hm=fbf4c70cc386c6d007ab7f37086dac27b8345a82130e8fb13b77efdb6145a86c&
I'm very frustrated but… it's life ig… I haven't played that well…

peer pressure is just a default choice from my last boon

[proper furnace]

You don't wanna mix hangover sources btw

New stacks overwrite older ones

So your dash is killing all of your call's dmg

[haughty cape]

oh… alright… I'll keep this is mind thx you

[agile bramble]

Just curious but how come hera runners rarely talk about quick reload + exit wounds

I feel like that combo could add wayyy more damage than snowburst ever could, or even without quick reload exit wounds seem great on bossess

[proper furnace]

Your cast does so much dmg that exit wounds either doesn't proc at all or barely do something due to the dmg caps/impervious bubbles

Then there's wallbug which is even more powerful

Shooting your cast at an angle/wall behind the enemy causes the aphro cast to not lodge into the enemy

Snow burst's dmg is also less about pure dps but utility

It allows you to kill small enemies like styx rats or elysium soldiers eyes without wasting your casts

Quick reload is still very powerful ofc (especially if you can't wallbug efficiently) but exit wounds has nothing to do with it

It also clogs the pom pool and makes you less likely to hit cast

Exit wounds, I mean

[dull viper]

exit wounds is mostly viable with poseidon sword, I don't think any other castpect benefits from it that much

[agile bramble]

Ohh I see yeah all that makese sense

[lusty sphinx]

what boons do i put on hera aspect

[dull viper]

if it's upgraded, crush shot
if not, then trippy shot

(crush is aphro, trippy is dionysus)

[lusty sphinx]

yummy

what about my attack

[dull viper]

anything that boosts %, your main source of damage should be the cast

usually enemies instantly die so you can pick up your casts and use them again

[lusty sphinx]

sounds yummers

so would aphro attack and dio cast work

[dull viper]

yes 👍

[lusty sphinx]

glorious day

and i think i'll use artemis dash muahahahahaha

[dull viper]

actually look what opens up the dio + zeus boon

[lusty sphinx]

probably dio and zeus

[dull viper]

🤯

[lusty sphinx]

🥱

[dull viper]

if thunder dash opens it up then you can also go for that

[lusty sphinx]

i want to switch to artemis dash later in the run though

so i can chunk more effectively

[dull viper]

duo boons aren't very consistent to get so arty dash is also great yeah

[lusty sphinx]

yummers

[plain river]

Tbh they pretty much are

there’s a reason Gods pride is used over Gods legacy

[dull viper]

guess my like is just bad then lol

[plain river]

As long as you get the two cores required you have a fairly good shot at it each run

[lusty sphinx]

all i need is low tolerance and maybe some other dio slop

[earnest lake]

Hello. Long time hades fan and recently have been working on finishing all of the minor quests. I am trying to do tight deadline for the first time. I tend to get reckless because i get stressed by the time limits. Do people have suggestions or tips for builds/strategies for that pact ?

[vital night]

Have a good build, pause buffer when making room decisions, take all skip rooms you can

First one is most important. What aspect do you like to play the most?

[brittle gale]

Hello, what is the best night mirror? In terms of configuration

[jolly chasm]

Thanks Mike

I forgot it was in two messages lmao

[brittle gale]

Wou, thanks

[unique siren]

If your runs are below 36 minutes in game time, try tight deadline 1

[earnest lake]

I rotate the aspects pretty regularly but i feel like I kill the quickest with twin fits (magnetic one). I probably have my best runs with the gun ( really enjoy the lucifer aspect) so probably will use one of those.

[vital night]

Fists you can do either ares attack or Zeus attack

The former goes for Athena on special and dash as well as merciful end

Zeus you can get divine dash and more Zeus like static discharge

[earnest lake]

Okay. Cool. I will try that. Zeus is great for crowd control so that makes sense. Thanks!

[lusty sphinx]

are there any decent ways to build around your call

i feel like it's just there in all my runs

not actively doing anything

[proper furnace]

It is basically a support button

One that can be insane granted

You can do goofy stuff like pos call + rip current and try to make it last way too long

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/896859166453428264/2021101017375900-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg

[unique siren]

Smoldering air aphro can make bosses only have like 30 uptime

[lusty sphinx]

glorious day

[livid stone]

I wanna clear the game with spear, shield, and bow so I can get the 10 titan blood reward from the prophecy list, which aspects should I use and what boons do I want?

[plain river]

Achilles, Zeus and Zag or Hera respectively

Zeus shield is really easy because you can just throw like zeus on special and make sure you get statis discharge and the rest can be whatever

explosive return is a really strong hammer for zeus

Zag bow is rlly simple, if you have it levelled up go from aphrodite strike with artemis on special and then look for twin/triple shot, flurry shot, point-blank and perfect shot

Achilles can just start with tidal dash and build towards either artemis strike + ares cast (and their duo) or zeus strike + athena cast (and their duo) based on who you find in tartarus

[quiet ivy]

less of a build question and more just curious: does lucky tooth interact with nourished soul?

[proper furnace]

Nope

[quiet ivy]

ah that's doodoo

[livid stone]

Thanks 🙏

[bronze pelican]

Artemis special on Clockets is insane

[livid stone]

what's a good boon combo to make cast super op?

just looking for something fun to use for a cast run

[vital night]

hunting blades

[livid stone]

wuzzat?

[plain river]

it's the artemis / ares duo

[livid stone]

gotcha, thanks

[plain river]

makes your ares casts hunt after enemies

[livid stone]

sick

might go for that for the bow run to escape with bow

i suck with bow

[plain river]

Are you making sure to dash strike when you use bow?

[livid stone]

that's prob what my problem is then cuz no i'm not

[plain river]

Bow is lowkey abysmal without dash strikes

Bow dash strikes are just like normal strikes but the charge 3/2’s faster to deal 2/3’s of the damage of a standing strike

It makes bow significantly safer and your damage output more consistent

So you technically output the same amount of base damage but dash striking makes it far better for you

Plus dash strikes get buffed by dash strike boons

[livid stone]

I see

Thanks

[lusty sphinx]

artemis dash+artemis attack muahahahahahaha

[lusty sphinx]

guys i might cry

i had the perfect hades spear run except i got ZERO spin hammers and died at theseus and asterius

i literally had 2 chaos attack boons and lv 5 epic deadly strike

and i perished with chain throw 💔

[plain river]

That sounds like the perfect Hades spear run to me

No spin hammers just special hammers

🗿

[lusty sphinx]

it was a spin build bub

[plain river]

Hades spear when the debuff doesn’t even affect spins and the only real benefit is the extra spin range if you’re making a spin build

[lusty sphinx]

yeah extra spin range

i don't like guan yu

[plain river]

I mean most people fall for the trap of focusing on the spin on Guan-Yu as well

[lusty sphinx]

i like spinning

[plain river]

It’s lowkey dangerous for not enough damage on GY when GY has a buffed special compared to regular spear

[lusty sphinx]

yeah ik

[lusty sphinx]

i'm making a bad decision rn

i'm doing spread fire and tempest strike

[plain river]

[lusty sphinx]

but tbf if my extra damage doesn't kill it in 3 shots, it probably doesn't take knockback

so it balances out

[plain river]

Any +% but Poseidons 🗿

[lusty sphinx]

idk it's working pretty well so far man

[plain river]

There’s only one enemy in game who doesn’t take knockback btw

The Thwomp Head of powercouple

Every other enemy takes knockback to some degree

[lusty sphinx]

wait armored enemies take knockback

[plain river]

Bosses have heavy resistance but they can still be pushed into walls

[lusty sphinx]

i thought they didn't have knockback or stun

idk i usually don't use posiedon

[plain river]

Oh I mean the thwomp is 100% always immune

[lusty sphinx]

ok sick

just got sea storm in tartarus ❤️

at the end of tartarus but still

alecto dispatched in 30 seconds

[lusty sphinx]

wait what abt the little bone worms

[plain river]

You have sea storm right?

[lusty sphinx]

yes

[plain river]

You can tell with sea storm

[lusty sphinx]

oh ok

i have triumphed over lernie

i would definitely reccomend this build

just killed stupid theseus

hate that guy

[lusty sphinx]

ok run ended

most important stuff i got was tempest strike, spread fire, sea storm, cold fusion and razor shoals (also explosive fire ig)

overall very fun

[unique siren]

Spread fire?

[lusty sphinx]

the one that gives you less range but 4 times damage

with the rail

[plain river]

Shotgun hammer

-6 max ammo, 40 base damage aoe short range shots

There’s also a penalty to your attack speed

I can’t remember the exact figure

[unique siren]

I know what it is

I just really don’t like it

[proper furnace]

is really good on zag rail

[lusty sphinx]

yeah i was using zag rail in that run

is any aspect good with shattered shackle other than arthur

i tried a shattered shackle chiron run and it didn't work well unless i got like perfect hammers

[proper furnace]

Hestia/guan yu

You can also slap it on sword for tartarus then wing it with what you get

[serene relic]

anyone know a nemesis aspect build

[lone jetty]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-nemesis-blade here’s some ideas

[lusty sphinx]

what boon do i get on lucifer special

[vital night]

The most flexible one is to start tidal dash and just take whatever you get

[vital night]

Artemis

[lusty sphinx]

thank you gangalang

[unique siren]

Heart rend build is solid(aphro attack, hunter dash, Artemis special or true shot if you want a different special, hunters mark is a good secondary, boon that makes weak foes take more damage

Double edge for a hammer and second hammer just pick anything that helps with dash strikes

[plain river]

(Piercing Wave, Breaching Slash, and technically H*arding Slash)

[unique siren]

Bro snuck in hoarding slash 😭

+2% damage!

[plain river]

The alternative was someone else correcting me on it later

[livid stone]

what's a good build for zeus shield?

like what boons to go for and whatnot

[vital night]

Explosive return with Zeus special and static discharge

Dio, ares, or Zeus on attack

Dio or Zeus on call

Can also do epic Aphrodite special with the same other stuff

[livid stone]

i'm using just to get chaos to unlock the hidden aspect for me, but i may as well try and beat hades for the blood

what's explosive return?

nevermind

i got it

[brittle gale]

Hello, good afternoon! I'd like to know some kind of guide, since I plan to always play with the shield, as it seems the most intuitive for runs. I'd like to know which is the best aspect. For now, I have Zagreus at maximum level and I don't know which gods to use. I'm stuck fighting Hades.

[dull viper]

strongest aspects are zeus and the hidden one
for zag shield just put a % boosting god such as athena or aphrodite on your attack and look for the charged shot hammer. NEVER use your special with zag shield, it's detrimental since you can't attack or block while it's going

[brittle gale]

Thanks!

I'm currently going with Zeus, Aphrodite and a little bit of Demeter

I'm surprised there are no voice channels here to broadcast runs 🤔

[dull viper]

would probably be very hard to moderate idk

[dull viper]

zeus and aphro are good but demeter is meh, whatever you're doing with her boons, other gods can do better

[brittle gale]

Like who? Dioni?

[dull viper]

depends on what you're using her for, is it the damage? the status effect? the utility?

[brittle gale]

Damage and status effets

[dull viper]

for damage, any of the other % boosting gods give a higher percentage, if you want to slow enemies down, just switch boiling blood with whatever its green alternative was named

[brittle gale]

I don't focus on slowing down, I use Dioni's hangover effects, or Aphrodite's weak effects, I don't know if it's a good composition

[dull viper]

those are both good 👍

[brittle gale]

I have another question, um, I already have all the weapons and I have completely unlocked the mirror of the night, what do I do with the keys?

[dull viper]

there's a cosmetic upgrade you can buy much later, otherwise just trade them with the broker

he's in the right corner of the cafeteria

[brittle gale]

Keys for gem's perhaps?

[dull viper]

yes

[brittle gale]

Thanks!

[proper furnace]

Keep 15 keys on you cuz the broker sometimes sells a titan blood for them

[brittle gale]

Thanks!

[woeful dagger]

do zues boon for attack chain lightning bounce between multiple enemies back and forth? like will it hit the original target again if tehre are only two? if no does this change with storm lightning (added 2 bounces to chain lightning)?

[proper furnace]

Doesn't bounce back and forth

[lean crow]

So i got minotaur rush for aegis shield (zeus aspect), will getting charged shot even work, since i assume it replaces bull rush?

And minotaur rush works with bull rush

Ok just read the past messages about this lol. Ill try it out

[plain river]

All the bull rush hammers work properly with charged shot

[lean crow]

Thank you! Glad they did, finally beat the game with them for the first time!

Only took three or so years 🙂

[lusty sphinx]

couldn't get a single duo boon for my hera build throughout my whole run

last shop in elysium

athena offers deadly reversal AND unshakable mettle

this run hates me so much

[plain river]

Hera is one of those weapons that lowkey just doesn’t need any duos

[lusty sphinx]

i had flood shot

[lusty sphinx]

finally maxed chiron what god should i use

to stack their effect 9 times with one button press

[vital night]

Artemis

Arty dio and aphro are all pretty equally mediocre

[lusty sphinx]

wouldnt demeter or maybe like ares work

[vital night]

You won’t get more doom unless you have dire misfortune which is pretty mid anyways

Demeter is fine if you get secondaries

[lusty sphinx]

it IS 9 hits

[vital night]

Still not that much damage compared to Artemis

[lusty sphinx]

uuuhhhhhh what about with impending doom and merciful end

[vital night]

The special animation is so long that it’s a waste of time to try and proc doom before it drops naturally

Idk what to tell you man

[lusty sphinx]

dang it 😔

[vital night]

Artemis, dio, and Aphrodite are the meta

Everything else is just not that good, but that doesn’t mean you can’t play it ofc

[lusty sphinx]

yeah demeter special looks cool i'm using it

plus i get a damage bonus AND a substantial effect

heck yeah

[plain river]

“A substanial effect”

[lusty sphinx]

yeah it slows them down like kind of a lot

[vital night]

mfw game becomes slower

[lusty sphinx]

i'm not a speedrunner :]

[vital night]

i mean slow in the boring sense

[lusty sphinx]

no i do like a bozillion damage per special

[livid stone]

What's the best boons to go with the aspect of Beowulf shield and the aspect of rama bow? I wanna get the prophecy reward for escaping with them

@plain river

[dull viper]

for beo shield, start with poseidon cast, get any arty boon that opens up their duo, try to get the charged shot hammer
for rama, get a beefy % boost on your attack. arty start is most consistent since both dash and attack give you what you need. there's plenty of good hammers for rama so take whatever you like

[inland dome]

HELP ME WHY IS MEGS ORANGE SISTER FIGHTING ME I HAVENT PLAYED THE GAME IN 834i832402347040 YEARS

SOMEBODY HELP ME I DIDBT EVEN GET MY SWORD I WAS USING MY AHH SHIELD

WHAT THE HELL DO I DO 💔

[dull viper]

just relearn her attacks lol

[inland dome]

im not going through torture to do that

nvm i killed her first try

[tranquil venture]

Whats the best stigian blade build with no aspectos

[dull viper]

tidal dash from poseidon and double edge hammer

[prime grove]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[lusty sphinx]

dad used his laser attack and the lasers just...didn't come out?

no effect and no damage he just spun around his spear

[proper furnace]

Did you get him into the invincibility bubble

Charm should interrupt the move too(?)

[lusty sphinx]

nope neither

he just didn't do it

only thing that might've affected the attack was 10 stacks of chilled

[unique siren]

Attack just cancels or doesn’t trigger

[ionic lichen]

can aphrodite’s greater call crit?

[plain river]

Yes via hunter’s mark or pressure points

[unique siren]

7.5k damage 🤑

[plain river]

If only there was literally any boss where this level of damage doesn’t get breakpointed

[unique siren]

Sad but true

[cold trail]

is aspect of poseidon + exit wounds actually good?

[proper furnace]

is okay extra dmg

you'll see it during bosses only ideally

[cold trail]

fair

[scenic fox]

Is the shield aspect of Chaos with Poseidon special and Sea Storm a thing?

[analog mauve]

No

[scenic fox]

Figures

[lusty sphinx]

merciful spin build with guan yu fills me with joy

[livid hare]

who's cast is best for hera/beowulf?

[proper furnace]

aphro for hera, pos for beo

[livid hare]

really?

ive always been using dio for both

actually makes sense now that you say it

[plain river]

Dio is just really highroll for both weapons tbh

[livid hare]

what does that mean

[plain river]

Needs a lot of luck to come together

[livid hare]

oh

[plain river]

Like you want to run stygian soul to make your dps really consistent but that means you also really need casts from chaos badly etc

[proper furnace]

you also want the mirage gods

[livid hare]

uh

whats that

[plain river]

Artemis and poseidon for mirage shot

[livid hare]

aaah

ic

wait what about curse of drowning?

[proper furnace]

not compatible with mirage

[livid hare]

damn

[proper furnace]

and only allows close range dmg

vs charged shot

[plain river]

And you’d have the same rng problem but more limited options since you need the curse boons from ares

[livid hare]

but aphro on hera?

why not mirage as well?

[plain river]

Hera fixes all of Aphros problems

[livid hare]

how

[plain river]

Crush Shots biggest problems are the range and speed it comes out at

Hera solves both

so Aphro is just consistent high damage

You can still aim for mirage shot it’s just like

[livid hare]

but does it still get stuck in enemies?

the bloodstone

[plain river]

Your casts should be killing enemies

Rather than getting stuck

[livid hare]

what if its against like a boss

[plain river]

You can wallbug

[proper furnace]

the other thing is that hera doesn't get the mirage shot bug on anything but dio's cast

wallbug or quick reload from hermes

[livid hare]

wuh

[plain river]

Boss damage is the least of Hera or Beo’s worries tbh

[livid hare]

i mean ive used beo with poseidon before

it just explodes around you

and drops

at least im pretty sure

been a while since ive used beo

with poseidon

[proper furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1236163222864920616/wallbug.mp4?ex=682b5377&is=682a01f7&hm=0ee95fc1a2fa389ef2517a2dd29f56d53af78c22ceb84a1784bbcf5617c80771& wallbug

[plain river]

Yeah? It’s very effective at it

[proper furnace]

basically shoot the cast at an angle and it won't lodge

needs to hit a wall

[livid hare]

what the tartarus

alright ill use it next time

[proper furnace]

for beo poseidon gets you the 2nd biggest aoe and half of mirage shot

[plain river]

The shear aoe of poseidon cast makes it uber effective, along with its base damage being relatively solid and he’s one of the two gods you need for mirage shot

[proper furnace]

which is bugged on most flares so the dmg is not reduced on the 2nd flare

[livid hare]

ic

also ive got like lvl 1 hera rn

[plain river]

Bloodstones come out of bosses twice as fast at max level once you get it there

[livid hare]

oh

so 2.5s?

[proper furnace]

what's the default drop time for casts again

like 15s

[livid hare]

not sure

but for hera its 10

[proper furnace]

hera at max is 5s

[livid hare]

"bloodstone drop time: 10 sec."

thats at like lvl 1

[proper furnace]

yeah without hera is 15s then iirc

[livid hare]

ic

[plain river]

10/2 = 2.5s yeah that math checks out

[livid hare]

no you said max leevl

which is 5s

5/2 is 2.5

[plain river]

Relatively speaking max level is twice as fast as level 1 which is what you said you had

[livid hare]

yea

also parting shot works with aphro right

like on hera

[proper furnace]

it can but also is annoying to try

free 450 gold tho

[livid hare]

💀

[proper furnace]

if you want to mess with parting shot do athena's instead

the hitbox is so big and cast releases slightly in front of the arrow so you can hit their backs from the front

[livid hare]

weird

and it would also work with zeus thing right

the bouncing phalanx

[proper furnace]

I haven't checked both at once

my guess is it works on the first but not the others

[proper furnace]

(the arrow putting the cast in front is why taking blown kiss with aphro's is bad)

[livid hare]

oh

so i shouldnt go for blown kiss with hera?

[proper furnace]

yeah don't take it

it causes you to start missing the casts

so you need to undershoot the arrows

and if you grab flurry shot (hera's best hammer) you can't do that

[livid hare]

alright

i mean im still tryna get all the prophecies done

since i was playing on my phone before

its a lot harder to do that when you know the best build for everything 😭

so after i get aphro cast what do i go for

[plain river]

Snow burst from dem is pretty solid or you can go for tidal dash arte strike and aim for mirage shot

[livid hare]

alright

need some poseidon prophecy boons anyway

[plain river]

Lowkey

This is the only build that uses demeter

[livid hare]

damn

also unrelated but i once got every revenge effect and had every pre requisite for vengeful mood but zeus decided to be zeus 😭

[ionic lichen]

if i get merciful end with ares attack and athena special and then i purge athena special do i lose merciful end

[livid hare]

i mean

i dont think you'd lose it

i think it would just defeat the entire purpose of it

[plain river]

Nope

[livid hare]

because if you dont have anything else that deflecs

[ionic lichen]

well i have athena dash

[livid hare]

it just doesnt do anything no?

[plain river]

Then you’re set

[ionic lichen]

ty

[livid hare]

oh ok

[plain river]

but you probably don’t want to purge athena special tbh

That just nerfs your odds for future boons unless you’re looking for a different special