h1-builds-and-combat

[nova relic]

ooh

makes sense

[proper furnace]

You can start with bosses gain new moves/minibosses gain new stuff

1 lvl of extra dmg ain't the worst

[nova relic]

alr

[proper furnace]

Generally avoid extra enemies/extra health/disable mirror/extra trap dmg

And enemies block 1-2 hits

You can do timer lvl 1 too

(and you also did lvl 2 basically)

[nova relic]

oh

really?

[proper furnace]

The timer adds up between biomes

You get 36 mins total with lvl 1 timer

[nova relic]

oh

[proper furnace]

28 mins with lvl 2

[nova relic]

yeah then its easy

[proper furnace]

Also failing the timer doesn't kill you instantly

You start taking 5 dmg/s

So if you have a big hp pool you can still save the run

This one is also fine

Tho lvl 2 can get annoying

It also has a prophecy related to seeing all perks so good to use it early

[nova relic]

thx dude

really been helping me

[nova relic]

also it does not affect bosses right?

[proper furnace]

Only common enemies yeah

Bosses/minis have their own pacts

[nova relic]

should i use hydralite gold or cyclops jerky select?

from patroclus

im low on health btw

so i might get hydralite gold

[proper furnace]

full dds I assume?

[nova relic]

yep

[proper furnace]

Yeah I'd take healing

[thorn sorrel]

meow

i'm just looking to complete the story. so anyone know how many runs is it gonna take?

[nova relic]

10

[errant narwhal]

10 successful ones

[thorn sorrel]

thankyou<3

[nova relic]

should i use fated authority or persuasion?

[proper furnace]

persuasion

have you done the change to dark foresight btw

[nova relic]

forgot about that

mh

the athena and ares duo boon is busted

also with nemesis blade

[proper furnace]

oh you got the duo?

[nova relic]

yep

only bad thing is that i didnt get double edge

that would've been amazing

but im still doing 400 crit

[proper furnace]

banger, did you get athena's dash

[nova relic]

yeah

and cast

and special

[proper furnace]

for making the duo better you can take impending doom and pom it too

(more doom dmg, takes longer to drop)

and hermes +dashes or hyper sprint + rush delivery

[nova relic]

thx

is deadly reversal good?

the second option is to regain a death defiance

[proper furnace]

Is a good support for ME yeah

[nova relic]

i need one dd

[proper furnace]

Where are you in the run

[nova relic]

so for you should i get it or the defiance

[nova relic]

last styx chamber

im under 20 minutes

[proper furnace]

I'd take defiance I think?

[nova relic]

alr thx

[proper furnace]

If you aren't comfortable with the fight

Also what keepsake are you using

[nova relic]

health

[proper furnace]

Collar?

[nova relic]

i always use that before hades

yeah

[proper furnace]

Do you have the acorn

[nova relic]

i already got what i needed

[proper furnace]

From Eurydice

[nova relic]

whats that

like what does it do?

[nova relic]

maybe

[proper furnace]

Blocks first 3/4/5 hits from the boss fight

[nova relic]

oh

eeh

idk

[proper furnace]

If you have it start using it in ely/styx to lvl up

Dad weakest atk is 20

Oh wait god mode

[nova relic]

yeah

im playing god mode

[proper furnace]

How much dmg reduction you have?

[nova relic]

im bad at the game

[nova relic]

umm

72%

i died on purpose for 16 times

[proper furnace]

Yeah ig collar will get you a lot more value lol

[nova relic]

true

[proper furnace]

Is fine

[nova relic]

alr fingers crossed

i should make it this time

easy

got him

[proper furnace]

Nice

[elder abyss]

Hey, I shouldn’t worry about having a good special, cast and attack in the same run right?

[analog mauve]

yeah depends on ur aspect

[elder abyss]

RN I’m trying to get a clear with every weapon and fulfil some of the prophecies

But I’m finding my build can burn out quickly around boss 3

[analog mauve]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[elder abyss]

Thank you 🙂

[fleet fable]

random unimportant question: i equippted artemis's keepsake and then the next boon i found was hermes, not hers. how is this possible? lol

[proper furnace]

Hermes was faster

(really)

He comments on it too so it's normal

[nova relic]

hell yeah i got hunting blades w a bow build while still in asphodel

[uneven jacinth]

Gang why does my nemesis blade suck

Wheres my damage

It was +4 aphrodite with chance to crit

This should be erasing healthbars

[potent tree]

Are you Dash-Striking twice then popping Special?

[vital night]

Did you have double edge

[viral geode]

aphro attack kinda needs to be rare or epic

[winged charm]

I was gonna say that too

[nova relic]

what does the diamond and the ambrosia do?

[viral geode]

dw about them too much, you'll be able to use them later

[proper furnace]

Diamond is for work orders

[viral geode]

but ambrosia gives gifts

[proper furnace]

Ambrosia is basically super nectar

[nova relic]

oh

how do i get summons?

and what are they

cause i seen in the controls menu that u can summon

but never seen one

[proper furnace]

Ambrosia lmao

To specific characters

[nova relic]

oh

[reef stone]

Late game mechanic. Bond with chara twrs

[nova relic]

whats the strongest?

[proper furnace]

Meg's

[nova relic]

and how do i bond with her?

[reef stone]

Talking and nectar

[proper furnace]

Just keeo gifting to her and talking

[nova relic]

alr

[proper furnace]

At some point you'll reach a lock in the codex, talk some more until it clears then ambrosia

For now you can trade some ambrosia for blood if you want

Just don't go crazy

[nova relic]

i got 8 of them

might trade like 4 to titan blood

no way im spending 1000 coins to get it

[uneven jacinth]

Should I invest in the gauntlets?

I had fun with the talos gauntlets but apparently basic gauntlets is better

[vital night]

demeter is the strongest fists

gilga is different...

[plain river]

I mean it’s Demeter > Zagreus > Talos for the 3 basic fists

[plain river]

That’s up to you, of the fists aspects demeter definitely scales the best with blood by far

Talos’s bonus doesn’t go too far on the fists attack since it’s low base damage to start, and the even the bonus to casts isn’t exactly stellar, given the additional time it takes to special for the debuff

[uneven jacinth]

I see

I wasted a blood then

[plain river]

Eh

It’s only wasted if you never plan on using talos again

You can still find success and have fun with non-meta aspects

and you’ll get enough blood for all the aspects to be maxxed eventually anyways so

You haven’t thrown away a resource you can’t get back

[uneven jacinth]

Demeter seems hard to pull off tbh

Im guessing demeter on the attack?

[plain river]

?

When I say demeter I mean her aspect

[uneven jacinth]

Aspect of demeter with demeter boon I mean

[plain river]

Would not recommend

It’s an option

Use flat damage, it’s a fast attacker

[proper furnace]

Dem fists just offer a good nuke

[uneven jacinth]

Sooo aphro?

[plain river]

It’s going to work way better with doom, hangover, or lightning on strike and a big +% on special (

[proper furnace]

For ME builds it helps before getting the duo/does some good dmg even after it

[plain river]

Aphro typically

Aphro synergises with zeus or hangover on strike, athena with doom

[uneven jacinth]

Actually nah Im gonna save up for gilgamesh

[plain river]

You need 5 titans blood in fists for gilga

[uneven jacinth]

😨

I totally forgot how the game worked

Nvm going back to my version with my save

I miss my Arthur

[winged charm]

If anyone is online

Wait actually nvm

[glass fractal]

?

[proper furnace]

Merciful end/zap fists

[winged charm]

Oof I’m literally about to kms /j

BUT I TRIED A NEW TYPE OF BUILD

okay so get Artemis Hunter strike right?

Then get her Hunter dash

[proper furnace]

ME is ares atk + athena special, take duo then find divine dash

[winged charm]

Then get the upgrade where your dash attack strikes 3 times

[proper furnace]

Pom doom/find impending doom and pom too
Add hermes +dashes/hyper sprint + rush delivery

[winged charm]

YOUR DPS IS CRAZY

Then get the chaos boon where it adds to your dash strikes damage

Also I had hunters mark boon and deadly reversal duo which helped with crit chance

The spam Achilles aspect

I’m gonna try to replicate this build

[glass fractal]

Thank you ☺️

[uneven jacinth]

damn divine dash really that good

[glass fractal]

Yes it is

[winged charm]

Alright I re replicated my build

I just need hunter dash but I got 110% dash strike bonus from chaos

Lvl 6 Hunter Strike Rare

Sadly couldn’t get Eurydice blessing for epic

I have 3x dash hammer upgrade

I’m suffering from success rn

Artemis keeps giving me duos but I need Hunter dash to complete my build

😔

I’ll just take divine dash

[glass fractal]

Better luck next time

[urban iron]

Is it literally ever worth taking any dash that isn't Athena, Poseidon, or Artemis

[winged charm]

Hangover dash for extra dps

[glass fractal]

For duos yeah

Zeus is ight

[winged charm]

I got the 3 times spear again lmao and my next god is Artemis

sigh time to try again

[glass fractal]

🙏

[winged charm]

Noooooo

I got rare deadly strike or epic hunters dash

Ig deadly strike and get hunters dash later on last time

[glass fractal]

😭

Your so close

[proper furnace]

blade dash is aight

won't be beating pos's but still

[winged charm]

Lmfao 😭😭

Lvl 4 rare hunter strike

MY BUILDS GONNA BE GOOD I SWEAR 😭😭😭

[glass fractal]

It’ll be fineeee

[proper furnace]

don't bother pomming arty's attack

or dash for that matter

[winged charm]

Oh-

Should’ve been told earlier

[proper furnace]

main thing you want is chaos attack/dash strike boons

hermes's +dashes or hyper sprint + rush delivery also good

[proper furnace]

yeah arty pom values are kinda bad

[winged charm]

Alright

[proper furnace]

you can pom hunter's mark tho

[winged charm]

Yeah it’s very small 😔

Like theesus pp

[proper furnace]

getting heart rend is also decent

[winged charm]

Tho I’m pomming it up on the off chance I can get a heroic switch

For zuez lighting strike

[analog mauve]

@north sinew personally i wouldnt take that

[winged charm]

But I’m prob gonna stop pinning it rn

[proper furnace]

zeus attack poms aren't that good either lmao

if you want zeus attack you want static discharge and pom that instead

[winged charm]

I’d say the chain effect with high dmg is pretty good imo plus jolt

But I’ll Pom jolt probably

Alright so Zuez poms aren’t good nor are Artemis got it

Thanks! You literally always help me lol

Take a nectar mate

[proper furnace]

is not like zeus atk is terrible to pom but there's usually better stuff

and just 1 or 2 poms is enough

[uneven jacinth]

it turns out I have a maxed zag fist that I didnt know about

should I make a feather run

[winged charm]

Ya ya u right

Should I sell true shot?

I got it as a heroic swap for rare lighting cast

It’s kinda slow for my play style and it’s not like high enough dmg like lob

Wait can’t sell it I have chaos boon for hp

[proper furnace]

free cash is free cash

I don't really value true shot high

base cast already works for boiling blood anyways

[winged charm]

Not with chaos boon 😔

[proper furnace]

oh did you have the no gold curse

[winged charm]

So good so far picked up ambriosa delight and zues aid went from rare to epic hunger strike rare to epic

We’re cooking we’re cooking

[winged charm]

Ya for soul

Oof epic proud bearing or epic divine flourish

Hmm I mean deflect so then I can get deadly reversal

[proper furnace]

how many gods you have

[winged charm]

[winged charm]

I got zues Athena and Artemis

[proper furnace]

funny would be getting aphro so you can get both heart rend and smoldering air

[uneven jacinth]

do yall fw privileged status or the other one

[winged charm]

I didn’t have enough to buy aphro boon 😔

My queen

[proper furnace]

fam fav usually unless your build already runs into the 2 curses

namely hangover builds or passion flare + snow burst/dem atk beo

[winged charm]

Fam fav

I just like having a set bonus

[uneven jacinth]

I should probably unlock that

[winged charm]

It’s worth it

[uneven jacinth]

aphro almost always just builds into priv status

[winged charm]

Better then privileged status cause you need to curse to work

Like aphro and frost

Or hang over

[uneven jacinth]

aphro frost is good yeah

[proper furnace]

if you like crits you def want fam favs

[uneven jacinth]

but bad duo boon

[proper furnace]

cuz arty's curse is terrible for it

[uneven jacinth]

hangover dash build

[vagrant crane]

pstatus blows

fam favs is like 100x better

[glass fractal]

I use p status Because I almost always just grabbing dio

[vagrant crane]

pstatus does not proc on first or second hit and is not up for most of the run

and getting it up generally requires making a build sacrifice

ff is up immediately and is gained naturally

[glass fractal]

Interesting

[winged charm]

Yeah

[glass fractal]

I guess i will switch

[winged charm]

Also like games guaranteed to give me gods without curse effects when I use PS

🗿

[winged charm]

I like hang over dash

[analog mauve]

[uneven jacinth]

genuinely stupid that old woman beam doesnt chill from the get go

[vital night]

Not necessarily

[vagrant crane]

actually0% of the time

[urban iron]

family favorite is just consistent

[vital night]

Pstatus carried my 54 run

[fleet fable]

just seeing this now oops but thats actually so funny i love this game thanks ❤️

[plain river]

Hermes also just exists seperately from the other olympian gods in game code

So

that’s mechanically why

He operates on a different schedule iykwim

You might see it better if you consider him like a hammer

hence why he can intercede around your keepsake and has different rules to him

[wicked steppe]

I did a run tonight, It's been 8 months since I last played and I tried a 7 heat run with excalibur it was so hard ahaha

My build was so bad, I loose in the maze

I had a build with too many different boons

artémis, aphro, dionysos, ares for the throw

I didn't choose the simplest one for my return ahah

Do you have advice for exczlibur

[vagrant crane]

best arthur advice is to use a less bad aspect

[wicked steppe]

bwahaha

[limber grail]

Hiiiii I’m on the 32 heat challenge any tips and tricks?

I got past Lernie once (1) lmao

[viral geode]

Guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[uneven jacinth]

Excalibur good tho

300 base damage slice

[proper furnace]

By the time the third hit comes out hades 2 already released

[uneven jacinth]

But have you considered

Artemis crit big slice

[analog mauve]

rather hestia

[winged charm]

reminds of that comment I saw “only 1300 crit?” On a hades Reddit post

[proper furnace]

Funny yes

Good? Lmao no

[plain river]

True true if you just have 20000 gold you can easily hit like atleast 1600 crit damage numbers on arthur what are boons never heard of them

[north sinew]

WHAT

[winged charm]

King I know you can’t even find it

Need a microscope for it

[north sinew]

Which "pp" are u talking abt exactly

[winged charm]

Urs

[north sinew]

Where

Where!!!!

[errant narwhal]

i understand that you dislike the character but there's no need to project that onto people in the server who like him. also keep it clean please

the only pp we talk about is pressure points

[winged charm]

Oh my

*mb

😞

[winged charm]

I was specifically talking about theesus not @north sinew

[north sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/ja-gif-23934764

[winged charm]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-angry-emoji-gif-24694293

[nova relic]

what is the best hammer for fists?

[vagrant crane]

breaching cross

[nova relic]

between rush kick colossus knuckle and explosive upper?

[vagrant crane]

explosive upper

[nova relic]

thx

[uneven jacinth]

Breaching cross lifesaver

Whats a good sea storm build for the bow

I need to give those idiots some nectar so might as well do one

[proper furnace]

Why specifically bow

[uneven jacinth]

It has dark thirst

[proper furnace]

You'll be fine without that 20%

[uneven jacinth]

And I need 3k goddamn darkness

[vagrant crane]

does not exist

[uneven jacinth]

Zamn

[proper furnace]

Just do rail runs and get through it asap

[uneven jacinth]

Well Ill just do an aphro dio run then

[uneven jacinth]

That seems like itd suck

[proper furnace]

Start zeus grab pos dash in aspho

[uneven jacinth]

Wouldnt the bullets push them out of the range of the bullets

[proper furnace]

Don't do sea storm

[uneven jacinth]

Ill just do a dio aphro bow for now

[proper furnace]

Also yeah it sucks but for different reasons

[uneven jacinth]

This is something I should already know but if I keep aphrodites keepsake for an entire other region it wont work for the second region right?

[potent tree]

You'll keep the small boost to rarity to Aphrodite's boons, but the keepsake won't do anything otherwise

[uneven jacinth]

Farewell to duo hunting I guess

I could still take the purse and try charon

[hidden vigil]

Does unlimited ammo lucy suck unless you have like ares doom?

[vital night]

Dash only

I mean you could do some weird stuff with pos on Chiron special but it would just be Zeus special with like 3 extra steps

[uneven jacinth]

zeus special has that inbuild cooldown that charon doesnt tho right

[hidden vigil]

Doesn't chiron have limited range when u shoot the special ?

[vagrant crane]

chiron sucks

[vital night]

Getting the bolts from sea storm vs just putting Zeus on special doesn’t get you more bolts

It’s still the internal cooldown afaik

[winged charm]

Chat vengeful mood duo or battle rage epic

Specifically how does Vengeful mood work-

[proper furnace]

Every 3s all your vengeance boons are activated

What weapon is this

Also what's the 3rd option

[kind garden]

Punching air every time I get a good build for speedrunning and get hit with the Barge of Death rn.

Three straight runs getting obliterated cause of that damn chamber.

[lucid oar]

[tight basin]

barge moment

[winged charm]

damn

Ares giving me good boons rn

He traded my epic thunder dash for heroic blade rift dash

And hangover epic to heroic epic lvl 2

[wooden jungle]

Are there any tips to get the Charon fight? I've started many runs for it but it's so random

I just want to finish the codex lol

[vagrant crane]

beyond taking all midshops no

the bag has a 22% chance of appearing

[wooden jungle]

Yeah figured

I'm praying that I don't have to trigger it more than 10 times

It's not bad on low heat tbh

[winged charm]

Doubling down on this

If anyone could provide tips that would be appreciated

Specifically his patterns

[winged charm]

Swiftness increase stacks on flurry jab right?

[proper furnace]

If you mean if it works with flurry then yeah

But also is there anything better at that menu

[winged charm]

I don’t remember but I was just curious

Probably not considering I chose that

[proper furnace]

Oh I assumed you were playing rn lol

[winged charm]

Nah lol

Might play in a bit

I was playing earlier

Ares was giving me pretty good boons

He traded epic hang over for heroic agony lvl2

And epic thunder dash for heroic blade rift

[proper furnace]

I wouldn't consider the first one really good

Neither the 2nd but idk if you had more zeus

[winged charm]

I did hesitate a bit too but I like agony imo

[winged charm]

I did I had aid

Rare I think

[proper furnace]

Was thinking jolted mainly

[winged charm]

Probably not my best too

[winged charm]

I got jolted after

[proper furnace]

Yeah that trade was decent

[winged charm]

Leveled it up quickly

[proper furnace]

The thing of doom is that w/o ME is kinda bsd

Or at least as main dmg dealer

[thorn sorrel]

what is the best aspect of all weapons?

[vital night]

Wdym best

[thorn sorrel]

lets say for fast clearing chambers xD

[winged charm]

ME?

[winged charm]

Easy Achilles

[proper furnace]

Merciful end

[winged charm]

Especially for clearing faster

[proper furnace]

Ares-athena

[winged charm]

Since you can zip all over the chamber and dmg increase

[proper furnace]

Nem/achilles/hera/beowulf/demeter/eris-hestia

If you want like fastest in general is beowulf usually

[winged charm]

Oh i still haven’t got a special

I might get Athena’s in my run right now and net that duo for Styx

Im in eliysium

[proper furnace]

Is she even in your pool

[vital night]

Nemesis, Achilles, Beowulf, Hera, Demeter, eris/hestia

Oh I was too late

[thorn sorrel]

i can't find beowulf

[lucid oar]

Do you have guan yu

(spear)

[thorn sorrel]

yes

[lucid oar]

Keep talking to chaos

[thorn sorrel]

dont remember how i got it tho

[lucid oar]

You talked to Achilles a bunch

[winged charm]

Pool?

[proper furnace]

The specifics are pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[thorn sorrel]

the well guy?

[proper furnace]

For hidden aspects*

[lucid oar]

Nah the portal dude

Well guy is charon

[proper furnace]

Taking a boon from a god adds them to a pool
Once you get booms from 4 gods the rest are gone from your run

Unless you use their keepsakes to force them in (and by styx this is kinda a bad idea)

[thorn sorrel]

ty

[thorn sorrel]

oh okay okay

[winged charm]

No she’s not

I don’t think I’ve gotten a boon from her yet

[proper furnace]

How many gods have you gotten boons from

Also forgot to mention but chaos/hermes aren't counted for this pool

[winged charm]

Lemme list them

Also just got smoldering air from shop let’s go

25 coins discount as well

[winged charm]

Zeus Aphrodite Ares and Dionysus

Do the pools reset if you swap or sell boons?

Or at least per boon

[proper furnace]

Nope

Even if you were to sell all boons from a god they are already in your pool

But also you got Smair already so whatever

Gg won run

[winged charm]

F**k

I just died

[proper furnace]

Oh

[winged charm]

I was too reckless

😔

[proper furnace]

Jinxed

[winged charm]

Oh well time to start over

[winged charm]

Does something like Sunken Treasure count?

[proper furnace]

Yes

Any boon and they are in

[winged charm]

Ah okay

Never knew that about the pool

[winged charm]

The other gods are gone?

Or just that god?

[analog mauve]

once u fill pool with 4 u wont naturally get any other gods

unless u force with keepsake

hermes and chaos are different

[proper furnace]

^

[winged charm]

Ah okay I understand

Aphrodite with the stuff

Epic heartbreak strike

Let’s go

[proper furnace]

So on that previous run you couldn't find dem/pos/athena/arty for example

[winged charm]

I see

I really did not know that

I’ll keep that in mind for builds

[proper furnace]

Yeah on top of getting the gods you don't care for dissapear for the run, you also get to see the ones more easily

1 in 4 is a lot better than 1 in 8

[winged charm]

Hmm if I got heart break strike now what gods should I look for then for best builds?

[proper furnace]

Achilles again?

[winged charm]

Yes epic heartbreak strike

[proper furnace]

I'd prob force zeus for call into smair again

Or zeus special + a call of your choice

[winged charm]

Alright

I was thinking for doom as a special possibly bc ik their is one duo where doom continually strikes weak foes

[proper furnace]

CoL is kinda eh but ig here it can work

[winged charm]

But I think thunder flourish with SmAir works better

[proper furnace]

Hit enemy with special to buff atk and doom > use charges > hit enemy with special to refresh doom + charges again

[winged charm]

Hmm okay

I’ll try that if I land ares

But the best 3 calls that I think work well for SmAIR

Are probably Pos Zeus and Dio

[proper furnace]

Smair dio has slightly less benefit cuz the hangover dmg already charges it itself

Still nice tho

Also yeah smair posnreally funny

[winged charm]

I love smashing into the spear and shield guys with that special

Ig I’ll try to see if I can do Zuez Pos Dio and Aphro

Zuez and Pos have pretty good duos

[proper furnace]

Sea storm is annoying to get

[proper furnace]

Also this is why most builds just go for 2 gods

3 gods builds are already annoying to get

[winged charm]

I specially want smoldering air

So Ig I’ll focus on Zeus and Aphro

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[winged charm]

But I want to add Pos and Dio in some form for their duos

Hoping I can land trippy lob

Basically for my build I’d like Dio Cast for max dmg

But mainly aphro and zeus

[winged charm]

Just my fav to use in general

[proper furnace]

Can also consider grabbing zeus's cast for styx

[winged charm]

Styx?

[winged charm]

Yeah that one’s pretty great in Styx

I want to get tidal dash too lol just for Styx

Especially when you Pom it it’s really strong

[proper furnace]

Yeah tidal good too

Ideally you find either zeus or pos rn in tart (assuming you are there still) so you can force the other

[winged charm]

Yeah I’m about to play in a bit lol

[proper furnace]

Oh I read the aphro message as "I got it" lmao

You can also start tidal dash with achilles

Then 2nd forced god depends on what you get

Arty atk into hunting blades
Zeus atk into lightning phalanx usually

[winged charm]

lol I did I just went to go do something

So if I understand correctly I can only get 4 gods in my pool but force one with a keepsake?

[proper furnace]

Y9u can force as many as possible with the keepsakes

There're also a few options to end up with a natural 5 god pool sometimes too

[winged charm]

Okay

Thanks for the info I did not know that all

[proper furnace]

Like having 3 gods, buying a 4th god in shop then next door is a 5th new gos

[winged charm]

Oh I see

[proper furnace]

If you want to be funny from there you can equip a new god keeosake in the rest of the biomes and by styx you'll get everyone in your pool

[winged charm]

Also if I’m right you can’t get duos from trials of the gods?

[proper furnace]

Correct

[winged charm]

Lmao

[proper furnace]

You can get 45% fam favs this way

[winged charm]

Okay okay

For trial of the gods

Does the rng for good boons change in anyway?

[proper furnace]

Doesn't matter the order

[winged charm]

For example if you finish the trial of the god you didn’t choose?

[winged charm]

Oh okay

[proper furnace]

To be more specific you can have better odds at certain stuff

Say you want tidal dash but special and dash are both empty

Take non pos god first, take special

Then once you get the pos boon cuz dash is the only core empty then you'll get it 100%

But that's more optimization than being granted let's say a rarity buff for taking someone first

[winged charm]

This is actually mind blowing my dude

I feel like I’ve been enlighted

[proper furnace]

Decision making is fun

[winged charm]

lol

Alright starting my run again

Also quick question

If I were to skip a god like go into a chaos gate or pick another reward would the chance of them reappearing go away?

I get to greedy with rerolls

😔😔😔

Honestly gods are kinda annoying

Like I’m obviously retooling cause your options suck Posedion 😭😭

Bro is trying to sell me rare flood shot so hard ☠️

[proper furnace]

They can still appear but the chaos gate doors won't be guaranteed to have who you skipped

[winged charm]

I’m trying to get a rare or epic tidal dash my guy

[winged charm]

Ah okay

I’m going to pick up normal tidal dash i guess

Yes got sweet nectar early

[thorn sorrel]

what's ambrosia used for?

[proper furnace]

Super nectar basically

Gift enough nectar > do quest to clear heart lock > ambrosia

Some characters have a reward for gifting ambrosia, most just finish their storyline

[thorn sorrel]

can i gift nectar to same character or different every time

[proper furnace]

Once per run to each character

[thorn sorrel]

is there any way to check who i've gifted so far?

[proper furnace]

Codex

Each heart is 1 nectar

[fossil plaza]

guys i'm at styx, should i buy a titan blood? i have 1671 obol, but i also have hoarding slash

[proper furnace]

Hoarding dmg is added at the end of the dmg calculation

Isn't really that huge

[fossil plaza]

better to buy the blood then?

[proper furnace]

If you still need it

[fossil plaza]

this would be my 3rd win lol

[thorn sorrel]

ty^^

[winged charm]

I did the 5 god trick rn lmao

Phalanx shot epic 😔😔😔

Nooo I wanted divine flourish

[proper furnace]

Still a good cast

[winged charm]

I can get the bounce duo

There’s actually no way mini Lernie rock got me

[twilit sinew]

what is a good build to clear the game for the first time?
I have beaten the elysium boss only twice and never beaten hades

[cyan adder]

Aspect of Hera bow works well. Aphrodite Cast, Artemis Attack, Poseidon Special (for the duo). For the 4th god Demeter works well because of snow burst.

Have you fully unlocked the mirror?

[tight basin]

don't focus on artemis atk or poseidon special, aphrodite cast and demeter snow burst are the more important parts

[twilit sinew]

fully unlocked but i jsut need to max the last upgrade

[cyan adder]

Obviously cast is most important. Snow Burst is debatable

I was just giving all 4 gods

Artemis and Poseidon for the Legendary and Mirage. Demeter for Snow Burst and the damage with no held casts, Aphro on the cast

Aphro keepsake first, then if you have one half of Mirage consider the other, if that dream is dead or you really prefer snow burst then get Demeter keepsake. Charon keepsake into Elysium can work (and technically into Styx). Hades into Styx or Acorn

[nova relic]

what hammer should i get between quake cutter rolling knuckle and breaching cross?

[analog mauve]

breaking

breaching

[cyan adder]

breaching is great

[nova relic]

thx

btw artemis call is just superior to the others

its a nuke against bosses

did half of hades health bar

[analog mauve]

other calls do more

[nova relic]

really?

btw what aspect should i get for fists?

talos or demeter

[errant narwhal]

demeter probably

[nova relic]

demeter?

really?

talos looks more interesting

[proper furnace]

If you want the best aspect then yeah go dem

You do you if you wanna try the others

[nova relic]

thx

[cyan adder]

what's the best rama build?

[proper furnace]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

Thanks Mike

[cyan adder]

Thanks

Is Artemis attack and aphro special not good to get the duo?

[proper furnace]

I think there's more value in using other specials at least

[cyan adder]

Oh does the effects like demeter slow/dio poison spread with the special?

[proper furnace]

The special ricochets yeah

And also the dmg you'll get from them is just nice

I don't use arty very much on rama

[cyan adder]

but big number cool

[proper furnace]

It is, I just like the consistency a bit more

[cyan adder]

yeah fair

if not going for Heart Rend, Aphro probably has the better duos

Curse of Longing/Low Tolerance/Smoldering Air depending on the special

versus lightning rod and splitting headache

Not sure how you'd rank those duos though

[proper furnace]

Zeus special is my go to usually

Smair + any call (tho ideally zeus-dio-athena) is nice for iframes

Gets you free shots

[cyan adder]

Zeus call doesnt give iframes does it?

[proper furnace]

All calls give iframes on activation

[cyan adder]

oh right

I don't think I've ever used Smair on anything but zeus call lol

usually that call is how I unlock it

[proper furnace]

That's how it often goes yeah

[cyan adder]

yeah not good on chiron because it only hits once or twice but rama it's gonna hit everyone it richochets to

have to wait for jolted to proc privileged status if it's on vs someone like demeter

[proper furnace]

You don't use priv status most of the time

[proper furnace]

#h2-discussion message
Someone mixed zag bow and chiron for good aspects it seems

[tight basin]

Not really debatable btwn mirage shot and snow burst lmao snow burst is a much higher priority than fully loaded and mirage shot in standard speedrunning builds
30% isn't like a whole lot, it's basically the minimum chaos can buff a cast. Snow burst can unironically do more damage or just as much damage faster

And fully loaded is a scam don't try and go for that lmao

[cyan adder]

I'm just going off Croven and cgulls guide. And I don't know who mentioned speedrunning

[tight basin]

No one did but it's still a good and better build path

You don't need to have all their techs or whatever, you can just follow the basic build paths for good damage and builds

[cyan adder]

yeah ik that's what I was doing with their guide

[lucid oar]

That is a very ancient guide

Croven would prioritise snow burst now

[marble ridge]

What should I go for with Luci?

[vagrant crane]

zeus attack

triple bomb

arty special

[marble ridge]

Alright

What about the other hammer?

[vagrant crane]

doesnt rlly matter

[marble ridge]

Any I should avoid?

[vagrant crane]

eternal chamber is not as good as you probably think it is

nor greater inferno

you want to explode the bombs

not let them radiate

any hammer that increases atk damage is useless

usually the best 2nd hammer is targ

[marble ridge]

What's targ again?

[vagrant crane]

targeting system

but it doesnt rlly matter

piercing fire is like ok

[marble ridge]

Does piercing fire go through the shield guys in Elysium?

[vagrant crane]

think so

[marble ridge]

Hell yeah

What spell should I go for?

[vagrant crane]

spell?

[marble ridge]

Yeah

For cast

[vagrant crane]

dont need any cast

[marble ridge]

Oh lol

[vagrant crane]

u dont always need to fill all your cores

[marble ridge]

Gotcha

[proper furnace]

@lofty forum also consider using god's pride instead even if it makes getting ME itself more annoying

Epic doom and hermes is really good

[lofty forum]

true

ty for the advice :)

[hidden vigil]

Which is the best cast for hera bow? Also demeters cast how does it work for the cast weapons? The same as it does normally?

[proper furnace]

aphro cast is best for hera

and yeah beams do work like always on all but beowulf

where is instead converted into a flare

[hidden vigil]

Aphro arty? I guess? I took Dios and I see why it ain't the best for it

[proper furnace]

arty atk is nice extra dmg but the focus really is just aphro

and snow burst to clean up small enemies while you can focus your casts on big enemies

[winter herald]

I just had the nuttiest luck on eris rail for 10 heat, i didn't even fixate but 1 god that was just Aphrodite the rest was upto chance

Eris rail, rocket, cluster bomb, lightning rod, scintillating feast, low tollerance and splitting headache, trippy shot and the dio attack

I had aphrodite on special

But my special and cast did most if the work, my attack was for crowd DoT and extra crit chance

And don't bother trying to say i had illegal luck you can't prove it in court 🤣

[sweet blade]

What is the highest possible value for the butterfly?

[vagrant crane]

its mega mega mega rng

you need to never get any skips in biomes

you need to get an erebus extension

oh wait

hold on

i forgot that the small styx hcambers dont count

[marble ridge]

Is Triple Beam any good?

[vagrant crane]

so 72

[vagrant crane]

no

its not horrible

but its not particularly useful

[marble ridge]

Ah gotcha

Bc I just chose it over Eternal Chamber and the faster damage ramp-up one for hammer 1

[vagrant crane]

those are also both useless

[marble ridge]

Yeah I figured this was the least useless one

[vital night]

you could look at hitless butterfly runs for a range

I think haelian takes butterfly for whatever reason

[vagrant crane]

i just added it up

12+1+1+6+1+1+8+1+1+4

[vital night]

doesn't look very added up to me

[vagrant crane]

.

[marble ridge]

Is the super soaker build actually good? Or is it just a joke

[analog mauve]

meme

890090989989

[marble ridge]

What does this mean?

[analog mauve]

Sorry i was cleaning my key oarc

Lo keyboard

[dapper harness]

lol

[marble ridge]

Help real

[dapper harness]

meme but a real speedrun category

[marble ridge]

Would Athena attack be good on Luci?

Zeus / Arty is good, but my run is basically dead if I run into Witches and idk how to deal with Theseus's spear

So I want some sort of reflector

[analog mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1233468835634479124/image-15.png?ex=662d34df&is=662be35f&hm=5db61fa7e735d127d35a7ace2f9b283085fefb00fc3e67265c8c23c5e8fd725a&

Athena

But no Athena not good

[analog mauve]

Just bait the spear and hide behind a pillar

And meg for witches

[marble ridge]

Can't shoot him from behind a pillar

And my laser always hits his shield

[analog mauve]

U always have like 2-3 seconds after spear throw

And use special

Ideally you kill him during his summon because that lasts a long time

[proper furnace]

Deflect is only at the tip of the beam

Stupid wifi

[analog mauve]

You can also always just dash

[marble ridge]

But that would require being good at the video game

Which I am not

[proper furnace]

Just bait the spin attacks then

[winged charm]

I started playing twin fist cause idk I got bored of spear

What’s the best aspect and builds for twin fists?

[analog mauve]

Merciful end

[winged charm]

Deflect doom one?

And with Poseidon boons

[proper furnace]

Stand next to him, dash through it then hit him

[analog mauve]

I think ur lagging

Again

[proper furnace]

Was on the train

There are some parts where my data just goes off entirely

[winged charm]

What are the best aspects for talks

*Talos

[analog mauve]

talos is the aspect

[winged charm]

I mean the fist

Not talos lol sry

[wooden jungle]

On beo and already have ice wine - do I go for black out or scintillating feast?

[proper furnace]

What would be your hangover core

[wooden jungle]

It's cast which is pommed at 6

[proper furnace]

Cast doesn't do hangover

[wooden jungle]

I also have duo dash

Dio

Epic but baseline level

[proper furnace]

Is sci feast also open

Or you don't have zeus core yet

[wooden jungle]

Yeah

I have Zeus aid

I'm not positive if it will cancel ice wine

[tight basin]

Blackout is good for bosses I guess

As long as you actually hit them with nasty dash lmao

[wooden jungle]

Sounds good

[vagrant crane]

sell ice wine

[fossil plaza]

i have thunder flourish, wave pounding, razor shoals, double strike and the zeus/poseidon duo boon

4 uses of death defiance

i think i'm gonna be fine :)

this on achilles spear

[winged charm]

I need a new build for Achilles spear

[clever mason]

Which aspect?

[plain river]

What have you been using?

(Aka “what wouldn’t be new”)

[winged charm]

Tempest strike drunken strike lightning strike

[potent tree]

Could've just read their mind 😮

[plain river]

Would recommend hunting blades for achilles

Artemis strike + ares cast + their duo

Or lightning phalanx thru zeus strike -> phalanx shot -> lightning phalanx

[winged charm]

Alrigh thx man

[marble ridge]

For Pos sword what should I get with Phalanx Shot?

[vital night]

Lightning phalanx

[marble ridge]

So Zeus?

[analog mauve]

yes

[marble ridge]

Ok that was kinda broken.

Now wtf do I do with fists

[analog mauve]

ME

[marble ridge]

Which combo is that again?

[proper furnace]

Ares attack, take athena special, find duo then grab divine dash

[marble ridge]

Ok

Which aspect should I use?

[proper furnace]

Dem is best

[marble ridge]

👍

Is Kinetic Launcher good?

[proper furnace]

What are the other options, just in case

It makes ME before dash feel a lot better anyways

[marble ridge]

It was between that, the one that heals, and the bouncing kick

I had to pick it bc I hadn't gotten it yet

[proper furnace]

Then yeah it was the call anyways lol

[marble ridge]

Nice lol

I'm at hydra and don't have ME yet. Is the run dead?

[proper furnace]

Could be better but nah

Worse come to worst you can hit and run

Kinetic + athena shouldn't be that bad too for dmg

[marble ridge]

Good to know

And yeah it does 360 after the twelve hits

[proper furnace]

Do you have ME open at least

Or good hermes

[marble ridge]

Yeah

I have Ares and Athena I just haven't gotten one of them since

[proper furnace]

Classic

Is your pool filled?

[marble ridge]

Nah I don't have a dash, cast, or call yet

[proper furnace]

Call doesn't matter for cores

Is a core but not prioritized

But I meant god pool

Athena/ares and any other god?

(not hermes/chaos)

[marble ridge]

Demeter I think

[proper furnace]

The god pool means that once you have taken a boon from 4 different gods the rest will be gone

[marble ridge]

Ohhh

[proper furnace]

So it makes your odds at seeing who you want a lot better

[marble ridge]

I'll keep that in mind for future runs

Oki I can choose between a shop and a Dem/Athena trial

Which one do I do?

I have 208 obols

[proper furnace]

Can't get duos in trial

[marble ridge]

So shop?

[proper furnace]

I think I'd take shop for ares/athena yeah

Or at least a pom if lacking/the 4th god

[marble ridge]

Ok I took shop. Neither were for sale but there was an Ares door after

OK. I got ME

[proper furnace]

Aight

W/o dash to get easy procs you can do dash strike and immediately press special

Gets you both attacks in 1 dash

[marble ridge]

And now I got dash too

Had to fight BBall but it was worth

[proper furnace]

Dash strike spam time

Grab impending doom if it shows up

Free dmg

[marble ridge]

Will do

Ok I got another Athena. Do I pick Phalanx, call, or Blinding Flash

Can't reroll sadly

[proper furnace]

Doesn't matter really
Tho what's your hermes

(mainly do you have hyper sprint)

[marble ridge]

Yeah I have HS

[proper furnace]

Have you picked 2nd hermes yet

[marble ridge]

Idk

I think so?

[proper furnace]

Press B on keyboard/minus in controller to see your boon menu

[marble ridge]

Cant rn bc I accidentally selected Phalanx and am now fighting Champs

[proper furnace]

Oh lmao

Well is fine

Helps finding impending too

And avoids opening hermes's call boons

[marble ridge]

Ok Champs are dead

My other Hermes is Side Hustle

[proper furnace]

Well if you find the 3rd hernes in styx you have better odds at dashes/rush delivery

[marble ridge]

What's Rush Delivery again?

[proper furnace]

Dmg based on movement speed

With hyper sprint is a minimum 50% boost if common rd

Epic rd is a 100% boost

[marble ridge]

Damn

[proper furnace]

And it can get better if you buy ichors from charon wells

Movement speed is multiplicative

[marble ridge]

Ok onto Redacted now

Wish me luck

Ok yeah I died

Thanks for ur help tho :3

[proper furnace]

Rip

[halcyon vector]

which is better, relentless or concentrated volley

I'm using chiron aspect with dionysus on the special

[tight basin]

concentrated volley if you have max lvl chiron

[halcyon vector]

yeah I do

[tight basin]

yeah then conc volley

[halcyon vector]

aight thanks

[tight basin]

relentless volley is kinda useless since you're not stacking any more

it's just like 30 more damage lmao

[marble ridge]

Made it out with gloves finally. ME Kinetic is honestly a fire build

Now all I have left is spear. I'm gonna use Guan-Yu because it's the only one I have fun using lmao. What should I build with it

[tight basin]

charged skewer special spam is consistent

[lofty forum]

why kinetic with ME? i dont really see the synergy

[proper furnace]

Is not best in slot but allows faster dash strike > dash upper combo

So it helps before you get the dash

[turbid needle]

@spare grove merciful end automatically ends the doom countdown whenever you use an athena boon on the enemy with the doom over their head

[spare grove]

yeah i get that part

but doom on fists just doesn't seem worth without relying on a duo

[turbid needle]

yeah doom on fists without merciful end is absolute garbage

[spare grove]

good to know i'm not completely out of it xd

[proper furnace]

You can still hit and run worst come to case and you don't get the duo

And you'll have a bunch of Athena so it'll be safe

[spare grove]

honestly i'm not too fond ares in general

[proper furnace]

Also if using dem you can have explosive upper/kinetic launcher as cope dmg

[turbid needle]

is Hades supposed to be able to pierce the aegis block mechanic in em4?

multiple times I had the shield aimed directly at him, and it literally made the clanging sound, but I still took the damage

[proper furnace]

was it the spear throw at point blank

or similar

[turbid needle]

yeah

[proper furnace]

yeah that's something you gotta mind sadly

bullrush out of the way if you see the spear throw combo

[turbid needle]

alright

[proper furnace]

in general don't try to block stuff point blank

otherwise you'll get "block is reliable" moments

[worn solar]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YB2gKlKd59Q9OFuwdjgOqVQ3HpJ0hg1R-lt7ySS5z-M/https/i.imgur.com/qrw0qeE.mp4 clearly working as intended

[waxen dragon]

Lucifer aspect with Merciful end, better to have Ares on attack or special?

[worn solar]

Attack since you can still dash into things while firing

[spare holly]

I usually play Hestia rail but decided to try an Eris run for a change, and managed to get rocket bomb AND cluster bomb AND rare Artemis special It's so much fun, it feels unfair to the game. Poor Asterius got deleted so fast lol

[vital night]

Clockets moment

[vital night]

This happens in ely a decent bit too

[marble ridge]

Is Cold Embrace any good? Ik that Clarity is better but how good is Embrace

Update: it's really bad

[proper furnace]

its buffs on paper are at least good but idk anyone who knows how to use it well lol

[marble ridge]

Yeah that was the first time I've ever died to Tisi

[vagrant crane]

both suck

[vital night]

yeah you ideally don't want to have to aim dem cast

embrace is honestly actively detrimental

[wooden jungle]

^ crystal clarity is still good, the cast just takes a while to be decent imo

[vagrant crane]

it’s not really that good

[uncut minnow]

One of the worst boons in the game imo.

[surreal quail]

Hey guys, I’m trying to get my first 32 heat run and I’m currently using Aspect of Achilles with Zeus attack and Athena dash. I’m already being given the choice for my first hammer in Tartarus and it’s between Serrated Point, Flurry, Jab, and Triple Jab. Help! I can’t decide!

[proper furnace]

Flurry

[tight basin]

flurry by a long shot

serrated is alright but -dash distance is kinda cringe

[surreal quail]

They’re all so good! Serrated point because I have special for mobility and my dash strike is a big part of my damage. Flurry is always amazing because nobody ever uses spin on Achilles, and triple jab would stack with Zeus, no?

Making Zeus attack *3?

[tight basin]

zeus atk has an internal cooldown of 0.15

[surreal quail]

Same with serrated?

[tight basin]

so you wont get 3 procs with either of them

[surreal quail]

Awww I wish the ICD was mentioned in the notes

[tight basin]

at least not on the same target

[tight basin]

they prob didnt include it bc it'd be too many numbers to think about lmao

to be fair, even if you weren't using zeus atk and were using like artemis, flurry jab is still better

[surreal quail]

Wellp, I’m through Tartarus. Going well enough so far

Died to Lernie but I was doing some pretty insane damage

He was about to die sub 7

[tight basin]

it do be like that

btw you can check out the guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies if you need help with 32 heat

[surreal quail]

Thanks! I’ve actually recently looked into your guide and swapped off of Death Defiance in favor of Stubborn Defiance, which is stepping a bit out of my comfort zone. About to try attempt #10, this time with Eris Rail.

[surreal quail]

I’m using Shackle on Achilles and I got a choice between epic Swift Strike, common Greatest Reflex, and common Hyper Sprint. While Hyper Delivery seems like the clear thing to go for, the 30% attack speed is really tempting since I also got Flurry Jab in the hammer. What do you guys think?

I’d assume Swift Strike stacks with the effect of Flurry Jab

[analog mauve]

well shackle is not optimal

if its ap0 then hypersprint is the way

[tight basin]

hyper sprint def

rd good

the atk really falls off later anyways

[surreal quail]

Yeah ik I’ve just never used it and decided to switch things up

LET’S GO, Hyper Delivery is online

And I got Eurydice to upgrade their rarity

6:14.12 Lernie, not bad for no boons

[surreal quail]

Rip, died to REDACTED p2 with a sub-15 pace

Not bad, shackle was way more fun than I expected

[cyan adder]

Does Bad News work with meme beam?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[cyan adder]

how does achilles rush work? Does it increase the damage of current casts already down or just the next 4 placed?

[proper furnace]

Next 4

[cyan adder]

alr thanks

Does mirage shot work with meme beam?