#h1-builds-and-combat

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cunning urchin
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150 base damage at Lv.1.

wintry tree
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0 heat

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the bomba left me disappointed

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lost to the dumb shield guy

placid spindle
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It takes a bit more circling around enemies.

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The hammer is quite important to either boost the attack or special (more bombs mmmh)

wintry tree
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ye

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is guan yu aspect good ?

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it seems like to be the cursing slash

feral night
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guan yu is very bad at level 1 but at level 5 it gets good but risky

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you always want the charged skewer hammer

wintry tree
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k thx

twin cloak
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l1 guan yu is the same as l5

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ok but fr the HP reduction from l5 guan yu is a scam

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it does high enough damage to one shot most of tart and aspho from a safe distance

wintry tree
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ooo nice

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btw what is the easiest heat

twin cloak
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(provided you get charged skewer***)

cunning urchin
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Glass canon basically. You either love it or hate it.

twin cloak
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without it you'll need to use a dps rotation sometimes but it's fine

twin cloak
wintry tree
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thx

cunning urchin
wintry tree
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ye i see thx

cunning urchin
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Not perfect, naturally, but very reasonable suggestions and avoids all the worst ones.

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There's a prophecy for clearing a run with each pact (not all at once), that's good to aim for when you're still at low Heat to try to experiment with all the different pacts and see what they do.

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Gives a lot of Titan Blood.

placid spindle
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I'm not quite used with the lingo, what does TD means? (Ex. Bad with TD)

cunning urchin
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Tight Deadline.

placid spindle
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Oh thanks!

wintry tree
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maybe taking the 400% trap dmg heat wasn't a good idea

wintry tree
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bro

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trap damage

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literally worst heat

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ever

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i hate my life rn

plain river
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150 damage from hades pots is shadeohboy

wintry tree
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BRRRRRRUH BRO

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btw im having the most insane run since i started the game

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so funny

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bro

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the fkin vermin

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just made me lose 1 dd

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i hate this game

plain river
wintry tree
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like

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i can't get over it

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if i had that dd

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that run would end in victory

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my only mistake was choosing cursed slice

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i didn't study to math exam

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double trouble fr

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HUGE CATCH POGG

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FISHING TIME

harsh heath
cloud minnow
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In general, what's the best hammers for hestia gun?

plain river
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I went top to bottom in terms of usefulness

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And you forgot hazard bomb

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And seeking fire

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And delta chamber

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Rail has a lot of hammers

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It’s 7/12 of the rail hammers

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If you see a hammer with 3 of the rest then just cope ig

rose pelican
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Is there a niche where cold heart shines?

plain river
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Cold Embrace, aphrodite + demeter duo? Not really

tight basin
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the niche is like with fists when you're on top of them lmao

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but also youd never go for it

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because in theory it sounds good but in practice probably not really

rose pelican
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Yeah i tried once fist cold heart to test

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Too much of a hassle, focusing on position

plain river
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It’d be more worth it to just sell it for obols and get boiling blood back tbh

gusty rapids
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tbh most hammers help hestia

tight basin
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if you want a cast duo with fists, curse of drowning is probably better

gusty rapids
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it’s very hammer resistant

tight basin
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rail doesn't really have any hurtful hammers does it

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except like, hazard on eris

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spread fire is just neutral on hestia

plain river
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Oh actually I forgot to mention delta chamber would be good because iframes

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Only 4/12 hammers are cope picks on hestia

tight basin
plain river
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Oh it doesn’t?

tight basin
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no

plain river
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Still better then the 4 cope picks though

rose pelican
cloud minnow
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uh

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is hestia aspect bad or something

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i feel like my damage is really underwhelming

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it's taking me forever to get through fights even with epic aphro attac

tight basin
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what level is your hestia

plain river
tight basin
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because with epic aphrodite attack and enough poms, at most you'll 3 shot unarmored enemies in elyisum

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also are you actually using the empowered shot

plain river
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You gotta manually reload for the shot

cloud minnow
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I'm manually reloading every shot

tight basin
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what level hestia then

cloud minnow
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and it's level 2

plain river
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What level is the hestia

tight basin
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okay yeah that's the issue

plain river
cloud minnow
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ah.

tight basin
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75 per shot isn't bad since it's basically a cshot but it doesn't pierce and is much slower

cloud minnow
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cshot?

tight basin
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charged shot

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shield hammer

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80 base damage

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at minimum lvl 3 hestia is useable

tight basin
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what heat

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prob dash

cunning urchin
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Just take dash.

twin cloak
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explosive fire is still a cope pick on hestia honestly

quartz grail
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I’m over here trying to beat heat 1….

hexed summit
quartz grail
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I tried extra bosses mechanics for a while but I think now I’m back to extra monsters per encounter

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I feel like I’m just not getting damage. It’s like easy clear then I get to hades and the fight just takes forever and I wind up dying

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Maybe my mirror skills are messed up. Haven’t really done much googling on best setups or anything.

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Running all default besides dark regeneration and stubborn defiance

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I’m jumping around. I have magnetic fists unlocked, poisoden swodd and caster spear

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And the shield that tosses more shields

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But all around level 1-2

tight basin
quartz grail
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Lol well gotta start somewhere right…

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I have the sword one unlocked but I haven’t had enough blood to afford it yet. But did the quest

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I thought dark regem was the way to go

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After clearing boss yoy already cleared, it’s a ton of HP

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But I guess bosses are getting easier that I already cleared…

hexed summit
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I mean, EM1 just adds some extra boss mechanics for the first boss that you need to dodge. If EM1 is a bit of trouble, you can just go for Tight deadline 1, there is zero difference in gameplay, and 9 minutes per biome is very easy, if your previous 0 heat runs are under 36 minutes you won't even notice it

tight basin
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Also styx

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And also dark foresight works against dark regen

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True

quartz grail
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AFTER dad?

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I thought after dad it’s done lol oh boy

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Thanks for tips

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Will keep trying!

hexed summit
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I think the issue with Styx is there is almost no way to gain darkness in Styx. Even in Elysium you can get darkness treasure chest or Charon shop that sells darkness that you can double as a heal

tight basin
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After dad it's done

quartz grail
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Haha

tight basin
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But dark regen would heal you for a pointless reason

twin cloak
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did u know hazard bomb stops damaging u after dad

hexed summit
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By the way, for the mirror guide, I personally recommend Golden Touch if you are just going through low heat. With golden touch I was almost consistently able to buy the blood or diamond in the last shop, netting 0.5 or 1 extra blood per run for faster weapon unlocks.

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But if you are having trouble clearing the runs, Deep pockets all the way

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For early weapon unlocks, I personally recommend a few one point wonders that are easy to use and low cost Zag weapons that are good
Zeus shield rank 1, Nemesis sword rank 1, Put 5 total into spear to reveal Guan Yu (I recommend Achilles rank 3), Zag bow rank 5, Chiron bow rank 1~2(rank 1 chiron is still good for hangover build imo), Eris rail rank 1~2 and Zag fist rank 5

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True but for new players it's kinda difficult to use Hera well imo. Also, I only used low rank Chiron for hangover builds

quartz grail
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Is doom on special and attack pointless?

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It doesn’t stack right?

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Running the multi special shield aspect

lucid oar
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Correct

quartz grail
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Is guan yu level one good? Or too much hp loss…

twin cloak
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it can work but usually not worth the hassle over other low lvl spears

plain river
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Might as well run ri4 and hl5 shadesmile

twin cloak
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No

hexed summit
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Rank 1 on all other 5 hidden aspects can somewhat work

quartz grail
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Wooot just beat it

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Seeking arrow and posoiden sword

plain river
vagrant crane
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it was like god mode lite

hexed summit
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I used to think pom blossom is good for Elysium and Styx, but now I think it is only good in Tartarus if you save scum to get a good first room boon

rose pelican
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I use it in asphodel when my boons are few and useful, and im not chasing a particular boon

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Uncommon occasion, but still

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Usually with Guan Yu or Hades

wintry tree
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smoldering air and second wind

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absurd combo

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bro wtf

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i also get billowing strength

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and my aid is athena's

sacred pawn
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Hey everyone, I am doing a King arthur Shackle run. Does support fire negate the shackle buffs?

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Since it has the keywords attack, special and cast

plain river
sacred pawn
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Then again, idk how worth support fire is on Excalibur, since it attacks so slowly

plain river
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Support fire isn’t worth it

sacred pawn
plain river
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Yes

sacred pawn
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ah thank you very much

plain river
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And you can have a core boon on strike and shackle with still affect special and cast if that isn’t clear from the keepsake description

sacred pawn
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hmm, idk if thats worth it though. I don't use cast at all and only use special for the aura

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but thank you, that is very helpful information

plain river
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Support fire when it was arte legendary

wintry tree
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hehehe

onyx girder
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yo lowkey, talos with poseidon's special, quake cutter, poseidon's call, razor shoals, and proud bearing always get me my fastest runs, so i think its a pretty sick build if you like talos and dont mind having poseidon in your pool

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ik, its a bad take lmao

neon terrace
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Shadow or Fiery Presence on Zeus Shield?

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I always take Shadow for every weapon but since the Special cant backstab I feel like Fiery might be worth it

neon terrace
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yeah that's what ive been doing

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i just always question myself whether id want the backstab on bull rushes for bosses though

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also idk if the explosion on explosive return can backstab

rose pelican
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Yeah

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Backstab MAY trigger every now and then, but actually going for it is a lot of extra micro management you don't need

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Meanwhile fiery you know it always procs, and is always helpful, specially in Tartarus

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And you can forget about it and focus

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Kinds like status vs favourite

tight basin
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except that pstatus you actually have to force, otherwise it's a useless talent

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you dont exactly have to try and get a backstab in combat unless you're pressed for time and need the bonus damage

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or to hit certain break points

cunning urchin
tawny grove
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question, what happened to the monthly challenges?

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dont know if theres a better place to put this but it was based here so

cunning urchin
# tawny grove question, what happened to the monthly challenges?

I had a few more ideas that were narratively fun but the gameplay of the challenge wasn't really fun, so I kept tweaking for awhile but it just didn't really work. Then I got sick for awhile. And at the same time during all that, my interest in the game faded early last year and I didn't pick up the game again until very recently. tizomg

tawny grove
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ah

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id be willing to pick it up if you're okay with it and if im like. allowed to do that?

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interest for the game has been increasing because of 2 so

cunning urchin
tawny grove
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sure :)

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@cunning urchin

plain river
cunning urchin
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Don't take DC1.

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Take DC0 or DC2. tizomg

plain river
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Fair enough

cunning urchin
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DC1 makes sense on like... Beowulf or Hera, I guess.

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Not that you'd want DC, but eventually there's not a lot of great other options.

lucid oar
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ehh

cunning urchin
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That attack damage on Beowulf does a lot of work still. tizomg

twin cloak
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it's 160 damage with casts loaded

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wait

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it's some high amount of damage with casts loaded

cunning urchin
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220 with just Charged Shot + Fiery + bloodstones loaded.

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With no Attack boon.

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540 on armor if you also get Breaching Rush. Still with no boons.

lucid oar
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240 with hc

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And cshot fp

cunning urchin
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Not that you would use HC in a context where you might consider DC. tizomg

lucid oar
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True

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I’m too anyheat pilled

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I’ve done 35 mins of >50 beo in the last 4 months

cunning urchin
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That's one run?

lucid oar
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One run and one death

cunning urchin
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Dying sounds counterproductive.

full stag
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hallo ! im kinda new here so im not sure if this is the right channel but
i currently have 48 out of 49 achievements of the game and the only one missing is Thorn of Thanatos (get 30% bonus damage with the Pierced Butterfly). does anyone have any tips on getting it? like weapons etc? 👁️

valid dagger
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Guan Yu is a solid pick aswell but needs Charged Skewer to get going

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You can start with a strong Attack like Aphro and just play safe, or you can start Tidal Dash if you're into that playstyle but it incentivizes dashing into enemies more often

full stag
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ooh i don't think i've tried hestia for this yet, ty!!

neon terrace
cunning urchin
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Whatever works for you.

muted sun
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How do you typically build and play zagreus shield?

cunning urchin
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It's very versatile actually.

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Best hammer is Charged Shot.

muted sun
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I heard pulverizing blow is really good on it

cunning urchin
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Not as good as Charged Shot, but it's pretty good.

muted sun
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Im assuming arty/aphro attack usually

plain river
muted sun
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Ooh ok

plain river
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It’s significantly more consistent plus has good options to go into

cunning urchin
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Anything but Tempest Strike can work really well.

plain river
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but somethings just work better then others

plain river
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Zeus aid -> smouldering air -> 600 zeus support boons

muted sun
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K yeah I was figuring smair

plain river
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Tbf that’s more then what artemis strike has after picking her up for zag shield

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and is also just good

cunning urchin
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Best start for DPS imo is Tidal Dash.

plain river
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Sounds about right

muted sun
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Makes sense to me

cunning urchin
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That's for DPS over the whole run anyway. Tidal Dash makes your exit time in Tartarus a lot more consistent.

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Which helps a lot.

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And your Styx problems are already solved.

muted sun
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Yeah Ik tidal dash is great for tartarus

cunning urchin
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Safest build that has still excellent DPS imo is Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smair.

muted sun
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Ight noted

plain river
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It’s a melee aspect just build ME /j

cunning urchin
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Merciful End works great on it. Can also end up with you not getting what you want until very late.

plain river
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Or at all

cunning urchin
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Still a decent build even without Merciful End, though.

muted sun
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From my limited experience with ME that sounds about right

plain river
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ME is you hit or you cope

cunning urchin
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Curse of Agony is still decent either way tbh.

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Hopefully at high rarity though.

plain river
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C1 Heroic CoA

cunning urchin
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Corrected again.

tight basin
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Not with that attitude

cunning urchin
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Even when you make joke, you lose.

plain river
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The joke was that it’s impossible to get a heroic boon c1 in an unmodified game

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T’was supposed to be incorrect

cunning urchin
plain river
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Twats*

still vortex
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Aspect of chaos shield, which god should I put on special?

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What duo should I go for?

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Gimme something to start with

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I thought the special was what you go for since chaos has the multi shield thing

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Nice take

cunning urchin
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Try Thunder Flourish and look for Static Discharge.

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And try to get Explosive Return.

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Double Strike, too.

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And lots of poms on those.

ashen shoal
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beat my old best of 7/35

plain river
neon terrace
neon terrace
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aphro has big percentages, the others give flat damage

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plus aphro applies weak

keen elm
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fellas

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what are some good ares/ dio build

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like focused on either one

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cause i dont use them much and wanna get some ideas

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preferably apart from blade rift cause that is just broken 😭😭

valid dagger
keen elm
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ooo interesting

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ill try trhat after this drunk shot build i got rn

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or whatever its called

errant narwhal
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if you want to try a broken build, try going for merciful end (ares/athena duo boon) on twin fists

keen elm
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also i posted this on the sub earlier but

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wait

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i cant send pics oops

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basically i got level 2 ice wine bc of pom porriage 💀💀

errant narwhal
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you can embed links

keen elm
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would that even change anything

valid dagger
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Ice Wine is not pommable

keen elm
valid dagger
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That's probably it

keen elm
valid dagger
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Mods can be jank with some interactions

valid dagger
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And try to get Impending Doom from Ares

keen elm
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smart

errant narwhal
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you dont really need to use the special but you need it for the prerequisite, mhm

valid dagger
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Yes

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And the attack is to apply it quickly

errant narwhal
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it takes a bit of luck to get the build going but if it does its very strong

keen elm
errant narwhal
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so strong that the dash got nerfed out of being a prerequisite

keen elm
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lmaoo yeah i figured thats why it wasnt available

errant narwhal
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not really i think, since you apply it immediately and dont stack it

valid dagger
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Yea it's not really useful

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Wont do much

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If anything

keen elm
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ah okay

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AHHH I FINALLY GOT DEMETER LEGENDARY I DID LIKE 5 NEARLY IN A ROW TRYING TO GET IT 😭😭

errant narwhal
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nice!

keen elm
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that took so long

errant narwhal
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its one of my faves

keen elm
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i have 130 hours in this game

keen elm
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also whats a good athena build

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for any weapon

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cause i havent used her much in ages

cunning urchin
keen elm
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😭😭😭

muted sun
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Or merciful end

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But lightning phalanx is more fun. Thats my absolute favorite achilles build

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Im trying to think of anything else for athena centric builds but I got nothing

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Shes mainly more of a defensive goddess, more for keeping you alive similar to like demeter. At least thats how I view it

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Maybe she has a really good duo Im forgetting that makes a build, idk

muted sun
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Besides that. I already know that one

plain river
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Lightning Phalanx and Merciful End are kind of the only athena specific builds

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Going out of your way to pick up deadly reversal on nemesis or zag bow is also an option but not really a specifically athena build

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Oh wait

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Thegamer is really a good source of Hades info guys

cunning urchin
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Bruh.

cunning urchin
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I mean it's a build.

ionic crown
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well yeah

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but like

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this is kinda gross

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They’re just like “make every single boon you have athena smh”

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that’s pretty funny

cunning urchin
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Not even going for Divine Protection smh.

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What's funny to me is somebody pays for low quality articles like that to be written, and somebody gets money to write that.

plain river
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Playing lucifer? Ez just take exclusively one god

night prawn
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I tried a Guan Yu build for the first time yesterday. This weapon sucks but it makes you play more cautious

ionic crown
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just hurts more w/out titan blood in it

night prawn
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Yeah you HAVE to level this up

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I got it up to 3

ionic crown
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well you don’t “have” to

night prawn
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It makes it easier to lol

ionic crown
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my moronic brain on my newest file did it raw

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it’s fine just don’t get hit huehue

night prawn
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If you wanted to be a masochist take Pierced Butterly with guan yu

ionic crown
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sarcasm but yes the main attack combo for guan yu is awful and should never be used

night prawn
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It looks cool but otherwise I just use Achilles

ionic crown
night prawn
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Don't actually do that,that's terrible lol

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I was joking

night prawn
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*also

ionic crown
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I just like guan yu more the special spam is pretty dope

night prawn
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I'm trying to tell my girlfriend that the game gets easier if you use boons to maximize the weapon's potential,one day she'll see the light

ionic crown
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Your

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Girlfriend doesn’t use boons?

night prawn
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She does but

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She doesn't use builds

ionic crown
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Skill issue

night prawn
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Not using builds is viable but it makes things a hell of a lot easier if they're working with the weapon rather against it lol

plain river
wintry tree
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any fist build ?

raw elbow
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Do bosses have any resistance to Charm?

tight basin
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They take like 1/3 of the charm time

gilded wedge
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It can disrupt their attacks but it's pretty hard to get them to attack anything

raw elbow
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That's good to know: might try a Charm-Stun Lock build with Smoldering Air and Aphrodite's Aid: not sure how many Poms specifically for Aid it would take for that to work though.

Also I just like Charm for the stun/interrupts; its nice canceling some of the boss's big attack animations when the heart hits.

cunning urchin
raw elbow
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Hehe indeed!

neon terrace
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what's a typical Asphodel time for a sub 10? i just started trying to get faster with zeus shield and i dont remember how quick i cleared asphodel on my sub 10 runs

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ik ive never had a sub 2 tart before though

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i think my best is like 2:10 or 2:15 for tart

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i keep not getting eurydice or patroclus and only occasionally getting a sisyphus or a fountain which is annoying

lucid oar
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Zeus shield can struggle in asphodel

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Yeah for players trying to hit sub 10 for the first time it’s probably easier to bank time in Tartarus/aspho

valid dagger
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You can do like 2:30 for each biome

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Which is not gonna happen because your Elysium is likely gonna be slower but you can think of it that way

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That you should be out of ely by 7:30

lucid oar
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Or 9:05 if using beo bouldy

valid dagger
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Yea and a have a couple hundred hours with it

neon terrace
lucid oar
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Ah right

neon terrace
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the bow and shield are typically my slowest weapons

lucid oar
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Have you tried speedrunning Beowulf by any chance

valid dagger
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Zeus is a tricky one

neon terrace
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im absolutely terrible with beowulf

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it's fun to use when you have a strong build but i cant use it well for the life of me, even with the strongest builds

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im better with zag shield than beowulf

lucid oar
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Practice is key

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My current beo pb is probably 5x quicker than my first ever beo run

neon terrace
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beo is just hard for me to get used to. i never know when to use all my cast stones or when to just use 1 or 2, i dont even know when it's worth it to charge a dragon rush or just kill smaller enemies with dash strikes or the special

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zeus used to be my worst aspect at first but then i got used to it and now it's one of my go tos, i used it for 32 and 40 heat on the shield (dont even think i bothered trying the other shield aspects at 40). but i have used beo a decent amount and still am p bad with it

tight basin
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i mean with enough practice and playing you'll use beo better

twin cloak
neon terrace
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lol I just tried a 32 heat run with beo and died against asterius as a miniboss, that's how bad i am with this weapon

tight basin
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well do it again and learn how to use beo lol

lucid oar
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yeah

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most top beo players didn’t instantly pick up the weapon and start crapping out sub 6es

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and if they did it’s because they have thousands of hours elsewhere

neon terrace
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just felt bad selling snow burst for the very first time in my life lmao

neon terrace
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2nd beo 32 heat attempt i just died to dad like halfaay through his 2nd phase, im literally better with guan yu than this weapon 😭)

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it's annoying bc i would dragon rush into him but i couldnt get out of the animation quick enough to dash away from his spin attack

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i ddidnt have cshot in either run, but i got sudden rush

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no like i dragon rush and he telegraphs his spin attack but when i try to dash away i still get hit

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that's exactly what im saying, 32 heat is normally pretty easy but with beo for some reason it's rough for me

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i had a great build too, apart from common flood flare but i had a lot of poms on it so it became good, like 160 damage

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mirage yes, RD no

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but for some reason i almost never get RD anyway even if my first hermes is hyper sprint

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yeah bc the only things i usually want from hermes are hyper sprint, RD, and/or greatest reflex

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ig in this case one of his cast boons wouldve been nice

lucid oar
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Save rolls for wells too

neon terrace
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but i had epic snow burst, mirage, divine dash, pommed flood flare, sudden rush, and an extra cast stone, shouodve been way more than i needed

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i almost never roll wells lol

lucid oar
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Although less useful at 32 since you take acorn

neon terrace
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i more often roll pools than wells tbh

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i never know what i should get from wells tbh, with cf2 everything's so expensive

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why would i not

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it's really not

twin cloak
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CF2 is crippling

neon terrace
#

ri1 is horrendous, but cf2 really doesnt hurt me that much

twin cloak
#

you don't think it hurts you that much but on average you're losing 4 boons/poms throughout the entire run

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which is kind of huge

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and losing out on massive well value sux too

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HL5 LC4 CF2

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bar

neon terrace
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i haven't taken off fo2 for like the past 200 hours of hades gameplay lol

neon terrace
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i havent done 32 in awhile lol all i actively skip is RI, CP, and AP

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i think i did lc1 cf2 js1 or something instead of lc4, idk why

plain river
neon terrace
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so i didnt take sd or lc4 the next time

lucid oar
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Or tooth ely

lucid oar
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You don’t need dd at all, but it’s good to have

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You technically don’t need HP or any boons either

plain river
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I don’t have to, you’ll be dead

lucid oar
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Perma chaos curse lezgo

neon terrace
plain river
neon terrace
#

that's exactly wtf im saying im awful with beo

neon terrace
neon terrace
plain river
tight basin
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Just learn beo on the basic speedrun pact tbh

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Slamming your head on heat will eventually work but it just feels worse if you die lol

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At least with the standard speedrun pact you probably won't die

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I mean if the goal rn is for 32 heat it'll help more

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Idk how I did 50 in 8 tries

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I had a few runs reach dad but died to em4, switched to ap2 dc1 and won first try with that pact lol

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To be completely fair

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I had a sub7 when I started grinding beo heat

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Lmao

neon terrace
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what did u use for it

tight basin
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Modded for one helped

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But passion flare

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Beo

neon terrace
#

oh it was modded beo

tight basin
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Dinner plate shield strong

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The build was horrible tho

plain river
tight basin
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Like this is legitimately a horrible build

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Me playing modded didn't exactly give me a free win lmao

plain river
lucid oar
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My first unmodded 50 was first attempt

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iirc angels first unmodded 60 was third attempt lol

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Sometimes it just happens

neon terrace
#

186 passion flare

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pp, greatest reflex, cshot, looks like a good build

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i didnt say it gives u a free win

tight basin
#

No pstatus

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Low lvl flare

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Literally just spamming cshot because I have a ton of jerkies

neon terrace
plain river
#

I just wanted to clairify that modded 50 heat wasn’t just referring to installing any given mod and beating 50 heat with it

neon terrace
#

mirage increases the damage by 30% right?

lucid oar
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On flares

neon terrace
#

wait what it says it's 30% though

plain river
lucid oar
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It’s why flood flare is the general go to

plain river
lucid oar
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Bruh

tight basin
neon terrace
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i tried with td2 the problem is u have to take some of the stuff u were avoiding before

tight basin
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Otherwise damage sucks

neon terrace
#

td2 and td0 are basically the same thing lol

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but td2 gives u a few heat

plain river
#

Td3 and td0 are the same thing

neon terrace
#

not with js3 cp1 they arent

plain river
#

Td3 isn’t free if you have the bad pacf options on

tight basin
#

js3 and cp1 are fine for td3 if you know what you're doing

neon terrace
#

td2 is usually still free even with js3 cp2 bp2

neon terrace
#

which im slow af with

plain river
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it’s literally just pain

tight basin
#

fists and rail have cleared above 50 heat and they prob took those pacts

neon terrace
#

for me hs does me in with the fists in asphodel if i dont get long knuckle

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i have yet to get even a decent rail build for some reason on 50 even tho i did a bunch of attempts with ap1 ri0

neon terrace
tight basin
#

i mean at this point, you guys need to hone your skills more

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assuming you guys have good pacts, you just need more practice

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and yeah having good rng will help ofc

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so keep doing runs, either you'll click with the weapon and/or you get good rng

cunning urchin
cunning urchin
wintry tree
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how do i unlock beowulf

cobalt wadi
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talk to chaos

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have guanyu revealed

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and invest 5 titan blood into shield aspects

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more detail on the wiki page

wintry tree
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thx

main flint
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is giving up divine dash, impending doom and quick recovery worth it to recover 1 death defiance?

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I'm gonna go with it just to see how far I can get

cunning urchin
cunning urchin
#

If it's just Impending Doom and/or Quick Recovery maybe.

main flint
#

alright I have an Athena room here so I hope I can get back Divine Dash

cunning urchin
#

Divine Dash unlocks Last Stand and Deathless Stand in her pool, too. So if you have that, you can just hope to get either one of those.

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They each replenish a DD.

main flint
#

I did get Last Stand earlier in the run so Deathless Standing is my only way of getting DD at this point I think

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aaa that's my last DD gone
those lasers are annoying as Hell

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the green crystal snake things are screwing me over big time

cunning urchin
#

Styx can be pretty tough when you first get there.

main flint
#

honestly I do not give a damn about how hard it is anymore, I'm just happy I don't have to fight Cerb

cunning urchin
#

You'll want to circle the Snakestones. Their tracking can't follow you fast enough.

main flint
#

game scared for a moment with that

cunning urchin
#

lmao

main flint
#

hmmm, divine dash or holy shield

cunning urchin
#

Divine Dash.

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By far her best boon.

main flint
#

What does the game mean by cure? Why did Zag just say he isn't poisoned?

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I'm scared

cunning urchin
#

Curing pools cure poison.

main flint
#

how does one get poisoned in the first place?

gilded wedge
#

In that area there are a lot of enemies that can poison

cunning urchin
#

Satyr darts, Gigantic Vermin poison puddles, poison cloud traps.

main flint
#

so I've got a choice of Curse of Agony Level 2 to 4, Divine Dash Level 1 to 3 and Blinding Flash Level 1 to 3, I think Blinding Flash or Divine Dash is my best bet?

gilded wedge
#

Poison only lasts whilst in combat though, so sometimes if you can finish the encounter it's faster than getting to a cure

lucid oar
#

Curse of agony

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Divine dash poms are useless, despite my maybe misleading pfp

main flint
#

what abt Blinding Flash?

lucid oar
#

Poms don’t do much

main flint
#

So I found a Satyr sack and I think that means I can get out of here but there's still an Ares boon, money and health left as room rewards

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is it worth the risk

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to get those before I leave

lucid oar
#

Do you have merciful end

valid dagger
#

It depends on your build and what can Ares offer you, usually it's not worth it

main flint
valid dagger
lucid oar
#

Yike

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Do you have divine flourish

main flint
#

nope

valid dagger
#

Probably not worth taking then

lucid oar
#

Just go to the surface then

main flint
valid dagger
#

Press B

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Divine Flourish is Athena Special

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It's a prereq for ME

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You can screenshot your build and send it here so people have more context to give you better advice

main flint
#

ah, it's deadly flourish, not divine, so nopesies
surface it is then?

lucid oar
#

Yea

gilded wedge
#

Buy anything if you can

main flint
gilded wedge
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Head to cerberus

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gl!

main flint
#

aight, thank you cats

wintry tree
#

well

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guan yu suxcsks

main flint
#

I did not stand a bloody chance against Hades, messed up early and took like half health then didn't realise the skulls were damaging me and swiftly died

ionic crown
#

it’s just a little harder than usual because of health

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But lifesteal and special use is really good

plain river
#

The special is really good

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The lifesteal not as much

ionic crown
#

I think lifesteal does help give back health that you lost most of the time

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I could be entirely wrong though

cunning urchin
#

No, it doesn't.

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Spin builds are perfectly fine.

ionic crown
#

That’s like

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If you don’t use your brain

plain river
#

fine

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I mean you aren’t charging the spin from 2 feet away from an enemy

cunning urchin
#

You'd only need Quick Spin for FO2.

ionic crown
#

And just hold charge and stay there until you get hit

cunning urchin
#

And even then it's not necessary.

plain river
#

better hesty

cunning urchin
#

There are way more ways to play than just speedrun brain FO2 every run.

plain river
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FO2 is never going off 💪

cunning urchin
#

That's your own decision.

plain river
#

Tbh spin focused guan-yu sounds wacky

plain river
cunning urchin
#

I can seriously tell you that I don't have trouble doing spin builds with FO2 lol.

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And yes, I've turned off FO2 before.

plain river
#

Js3 Fo0 so I can witness extra carnage

plain river
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Take aphro on special

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🤔

cunning urchin
#

I wouldn't, but you can.

plain river
#

True

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Nyaanyaa try to not to fill every core with Lady Aphrodite boons challenge: impossible

cunning urchin
#

Heartbreak Strike gud, Deadly Strike gud, Divine Strike gud, Frost Strike gud, Tempest Strike gud.

plain river
#

Lightning strike gud?

cunning urchin
#

Probably not.

plain river
#

Tbh the one spin build I do remember doing was pos strike

cunning urchin
#

Divine Strike and Tempest Strike are probably the safest.

valid dagger
#

Guan yu spin is pretty solid

cunning urchin
#

Even if the idea of Tempest Strike spin sounds pretty stupid at first.

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Like.. wouldn't you knock away the enemies from your spin? Yeah, but the knockback on the spin is so strong, nothing's ever gonna touch you.

keen elm
#

what're some good beowulf builds

plain river
#

Cshot
Flood flare -> deadly strike -> mirage shot
Passion flare -> snow burst

twin cloak
#

thunde3r flare

lucid oar
#

I’d rather have shackle

pine scaffold
rose pelican
#

Today i learned/confirmed that Parting shot both enables cast backstabbing and provides a general/global backstab bonus

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Because i have fiery presence and backstabbed with attack

plain river
#

parting shot’s backstab bonus only applies to casts

valid dagger
#

It's bugged

#

Doesnt actually do any extra damage

rose pelican
#

Oh

#

Wait what

plain river
#

yep

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Only applies to casts

rose pelican
#

Then how did i backstab

#

Is it always enabled, backstabbing?

#

Even without mirror?

plain river
#

The text probably got enabled by parting shot

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But if you check the damage numbers

rose pelican
#

Aaaaaaaaaaaaah

#

Ok

plain river
#

I’m pretty sure that’s what happened

rose pelican
#

Peculiar

valid dagger
pine scaffold
#

im doing a hestia build

valid dagger
#

Parting Shot does nothing for hestia

pine scaffold
#

ok

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when is parting shot useful?

plain river
#

On castpects

pine scaffold
#

makes sense

plain river
#

Particularly when using phalanx shot since the huge hitbox can make it back stab from the front iirc?

pine scaffold
#

huh

valid dagger
#

Only on Hera

wintry tree
#

i don't understand what special does

#
  • lifesteal is like 2 per skewer so i don't think if its good
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when a singular enemy deals above 10

proper furnace
#

the special doesnt have the recall mechanic from other spears, but has 45 base dmg (vs 15 from other spears) and has quite the aoe

#

pair with charged skewer for +200% dmg

#

is basically the same as exploding launcher but 5 dmg weaker

cunning urchin
#

Not behind, but right in the back of the enemy.

sacred pawn
#

What are good spear aspects? I always avoid playing spear since it feels so boring and weak, especially guan yu

#

Probably just dont know how to build em

#

but what do I do with guan yu? The spin seems so giga-slow its just too much risk for not much reward

ashen shoal
valid dagger
valid dagger
ashen shoal
#

ty!

valid dagger
#

You can do Lightning Phalanx and Crystal Clarity on Achilles, since they’re Cast builds the +150% is very strong on them. Poseidon is a good second option, moreso for Lightning Phalanx because your Casts lodge into enemies but both builds still work

plain river
#

You get more mileage out of parting shot with lightning phalanx I assume

ashen shoal
#

cool so I'm going for vengeful mood first

plain river
#

I rolled a 1 on my insight there shadegrief

frosty verge
tight basin
#

maxed bond

gilded wedge
#

you can get them all eventually

neon terrace
#

plume is my fav keepsake by far

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like, it's not even close

#

i wish it gave u more time with respect to jury summons & calisthenics program though

plain river
neon terrace
#

it's unusable past 40 heat tho sadly

plain river
neon terrace
#

oh i see what u meant nvm mb

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i meant that i used the plume for 40, but it's annoying i cant use it for 50 bc i have to turn up js and/or cp a good amount

bleak swallow
#

is chiron bow better with Dionysus special or artemis special

#

assuming u get aphro on attack and all 3 duo boons

tight basin
#

which 3

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because like

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arty special and aphro atk is only 1 duo

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dio special with aphro atk is 1 duo

trail compass
#

If you can get +4 shots on special and consecutive damage from hammer

#

With add-on support fire

#

You get big damage with artemis special

tight basin
#

% specials on chiron need concentrated volley to be good

#

dio is just more consistent and doesn't need conc volley

#

just poms

#

but getting it to lvl 5+ shouldn't be difficult

neon terrace
#

dio special is the best for rama too (at least by itself, ofc if u get the right supplementary boons zeus can be better, just like with their calls)

neon terrace
# bleak swallow is chiron bow better with Dionysus special or artemis special

the best for chiron imo would be a low tolerance build, aphro attack and dio special. on chiron's special idk if all the arrows together count as one attack or if each arrow kndividually counts as a separate attack. in the former case, heart rend can be amazing with artemis special, in the latter i'd just stick with low tolerance. maybe splitting headache could be good too if you have pressure points though

bleak swallow
#

ahh thanks for the advice y’all

keen elm
#

when is stubborn defiance good?

lucid oar
#

With lasting consequences maxed out

#

You usually start doing that at 32 heat roughly

plain river
#

well

#

As uber good as chiron special is

night prawn
#

I'll try this out with Chiron

#

Currently working on the highest level of Extreme Measures for a run

unique crypt
#

What shield aspect should I max first? Zeus or chaos

valid dagger
unique crypt
plain river
#

Levels on chaos are negligible because the special is negligible

steel birch
#

I have been enjoying playing with Chiron bow. Probably my go to weapon aspect right now. I know how crazy good it is with Dio on the special. Is there a boon that doesn’t work well with Chiron special or all the boon are viable?

plain river
#

All the +%’s cry if you don’t find concentrated volley, and curse of pain is bouldy on chiron special, and zeus special has internal cooldowns so only really shoots off 1 or 2 bolts (more with double strike) per special

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Dio is the only consistent one

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The +% work well but only if you find concentrated volley

steel birch
#

Ok I see. Will try out all the different build on Chiron and hopefully I can get lucky with hammer rng.

cunning urchin
#

The 5 that are listed are all really good. The 3 Special boons I didn't include can work but don't have anything in particular going for them.

plain river
#

6 and 2

steel birch
#

Ty.

cunning urchin
#

Heartbreak Flourish is listed twice.

plain river
#

Oh

neon terrace
#

I have Nemesis w8th Passion Dash, Drunken Strike, Dio's Aid, Flood Shot, Deadly Flourish, and Splitting Headache. I just got offered Low Tolerance and Exclusive Access at the end of Asphodel. Wtf do I pick

plain river
neon terrace
#

what why lol

#

really?

plain river
#

yes really

neon terrace
#

oh i didnt know that, prob gonna sell dio's aid then

plain river
#

we wouldn't say so otherwise

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imo sell off the drunken strike and hope for aphro or arte on strike but it's up to you

neon terrace
#

i alr took low tolerance tho lmao so unless u want me to hope for smair or smth it doesnt make that much sense to sell drunken strike

plain river
#

true

neon terrace
#

it'd be too much to hope for aphro or arte on strike in elysium and hope for heart rend after that

plain river
#

true

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plus keeping dio strike means more poms on it

neon terrace
#

doing another nem run, chaos offers me 68% attack on an addled strike or 47% dash strike on a caustic lunge, which do j take?

#

im thinking the dash strike one but idk if the attack one affects dash strike too

cunning urchin
#

Strike affects Dash-Strikes, too.

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Just like Attack boons do.

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So you just take the higher one.

neon terrace
#

thanks!

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i thought theres a lot of cases where sonething buffs only the dash strike or only the regular attack

plain river
#

not boons

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*except swift strike

cunning urchin
#

Swift Strike, Swift Flourish, and a lot of the Attack/Special hammers, yeah.

plain river
#

swift flourish buffs neither dash strike nor regular strike so it doesn't fall into this categoryshadesmile

cunning urchin
#

Dash-Strikes can be Dash-Special.

#

Well, that one doesn't count as a Dash-Strike.

#

Will be faster with Swift Flourish, yeah.

#

What are you confused about?

#

Everything is perfectly consistent and logical.

night prawn
#

I tried the Chiron build for Privileged Status, managed to beat Extreme Measures Hades by the skin of my teeth lol

cunning urchin
#

Nice! Congratulations! dusa

night prawn
#

Thanks,I feel accomplished. That third phase almost got me lol

plain river
valid dagger
#

gud

plain river
#

I can’t imagine this with fo2 lol

plain river
#

I’m gonna cry if I don’t get quickspin in ely

#

I’m so used to fo2 lernie that I saw fo0 lernie and thought I was playing in slowmo

unreal tree
#

Is this a challenge

#

🗿

plain river
#

It’s uh

#

I wanted to play a spin build on guan-yu

unreal tree
#

Well that was your first mistake

plain river
#

I figured for funzies I’d try to build the spin with a really annoying heat pact

#

It’s annoying

cunning urchin
plain river
tawny grove
#

HADES II ANNOUNCEMENT CELEBRATION CHALLENGE
The Birth of Melinoë

Deep in the Underworld below, the House of Hades is bustling with preparations for the arrival of Princess Melinoë. The immortal Prince is overjoyed to hear of his new baby sister, and rushes to get her a gift. Alas, he is short of coin.

Obol Collect (at least) 3,142 Obols in one successful run to buy Melinoë a birthday gift. Obol

Extra Challenge (optional):
Collect (at least) 5220 Obols!
“Anything for my baby sister.”—Zagreus

You can submit your runs here. A victory screenshot or video is required: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfLWhDFQkDDiTK6ZaQt2yMLoCY5irsftNWLuq4xVR-U4auIAQ/viewform

If you wish to be notified of any new <@&737365219982049411> , type ?rank Hades Monthly Challenge in #bot-commands.

https://i.imgur.com/YFzF7uZ.png

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me and nyaanyaa worked together on this :)

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wait where’d the poster go

wise condor
#

I CANT EVEN GET 1000 AH IM SO SCARED

tawny grove
#

it’s easier then you’d think

slim lynx
#

NEW MONTHLY CHALLENGE

ashen shoal
#

why 3142 specifically?

buoyant oar
#

three thousand??????????

mystic canopy
#

Ooo, chaos boons, chamber rerolls and Poseidon chamber rewards buff

short sapphire
#

How’s that even possible 😭

outer pebble
#

The game left Game Pass and I still haven't been able to buy it. 😦

cunning urchin
plain river
strange lark
#

monthly challenge :wmicpog:

gilded wedge
#

sounds fun!

mystic canopy
#

Imma go try rn

tawny grove
#

we’re gonna try doing this again

gilded wedge
#

hoarding slash real

plain river
#

Is it 3142 on the dot?

main osprey
tawny grove
#

at least until 2 🙏

#

you can go over i think

mystic canopy
#

Gonna go punishing Sweep

tawny knoll
#

So it’s 3142 and not 5220?

mystic canopy
#

5220 is a bonus goal?

tawny grove
#

if you want a harder challenge do the 5k one

#

yeah

cunning urchin
#

It's at least that amount of Obols.

little iris
mystic canopy
#

If i go above it how good is that?

little iris
mystic canopy
plain river
#

I’m shooting for 5220

cunning urchin
#

@tawny grove can you update the text to "at least" just to clarify the ruling. squirtnya

mystic canopy
#

Imma try setting my record

cunning urchin
#

Ty ty.

gilded wedge
#

getting precisely is on another level

mystic canopy
#

First gotta beat hades rn

green plover
#

I might reopen Hades after a long time for this. I hope my oldie laptop can still handle the game.

ionic pike
#

Omg grats

#

Thats insane

ionic crown
tawny grove
#

itll last at least until February dw

cunning urchin
#

There's no end date for submissions.

ionic crown
#

true

cunning urchin
#

You can still submit runs for all the previous challenges, too.

ionic crown
#

I’ll just do this super late

#

What do the obols buy

strange lark
#

beat the challenge in hades 2

mystic canopy
#

Okay lets start the run

quartz fractal
#

ping

tawny grove
#

pong

gilded wedge
#

🏓

plain river
plain river
ionic crown
#

Which present

#

A pet Froge?

tawny grove
#

her sickle dusa

outer pebble
# little iris Dunno if this is allowed but if you dm me I'll buy you Hades when I get paid

I'll need to friend request you. My DMs and friend requests are disabled for personal reasons. Also thanks.

Also I just read the rules - I don't see anything in them about giving games away. Asking would probably be a violation, but I wasn't asking. Just saying I haven't had the money to buy it yet. lol It's on my list, I've just been broke whenever it happened to go on sale for XBox.

tawny grove
#

mel is born with a dagger in her hand

gilded wedge
#

a nice car

cunning urchin
# ashen shoal why 3142 specifically?

The only thing I'll say is it's not pi, and neither number is random. If anyone can actually figure out the second number, I'll count it as a win for them for the challenge. tizomg

ashen shoal
outer pebble
#

The pi is a lie.

cunning urchin
#

Well, that rounds up to 3.142.

tawny grove
cunning urchin
#

We don't help with the challenges.

tawny grove
#

😔

ashen shoal
#

ive gotten 1k in like late tartarus, it's totally possible

cunning urchin
twin cloak
#

it's like the eldest sigil restoration thing for 3142

cunning urchin
#

Good luck to everyone. If you need help, don't ask me. squirtdevious

#

Now to sleep.

ionic crown
#

gn

tawny grove
#

both

#

kinda

#

i wont say more

cunning urchin
#

The answer is....

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ionic crown
#

inch resting

fleet glacier
#

any good Beowulf builds?

tight basin
#

start flood flare -> get deadly strike -> get mirage shot

#

mirage shot is bugged on beo to deal 100% damage instead of 30% damage

fleet glacier
#

isn't duo like really rare tho

tight basin
#

not really

tawny knoll
#

Ehh, they’re just dependent on what your build’s like

tight basin
#

they have a 12% chance of appearing

#

10% on a miniboss boon

fleet glacier
tight basin
#

also there's plenty of examples of people getting like 3+ duos without gods' legacy

#

@plain river you got some pics lmao

#

oh actually

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oh nvm i dont have any

gilded wedge
#

the most I've gotten in one run is 4 duos

fleet glacier
#

does deadly strike's crit affect the cast for Beowulf

opaque spire
#

I did the run for the challenge yippee

fleet glacier
# tight basin No

also do you only need one boon from per god for the duo to be available?

ashen shoal
#

petition for guaranteed 2-sack after getting tiny vermin first tunnel

tight basin
#

Check the codex for prereqs

ashen shoal
tight basin
#

what aspect is this lmao

#

hesty?

ashen shoal
#

yeah

#

I'm just bad at the game :)

plain river
#

At one point I started compiling them

ashen shoal
#

does bouldy's ambiguity bonus do anything?

#

I keep getting it kjsdhfksfd

plain river
ashen shoal
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cool so I just wasted a nectar 😔

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it's ok tho I think i have everyone maxed on nectar

plain river
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Not really

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It could’ve been +10% movespeed

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Or 10% damage reduction

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You just got the short end of the stick this time

plain river
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Since it’s a required category

tawny grove
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yeah user works

plain river
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K

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Done

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I think I submitted it properly

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I’m surprised I got it first try

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I figure 10 heat is best obol heat?

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Js3, bp2, mm

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Not sure if bp2 or mm even affect obol gain tbh

tawny grove
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interesting weps i see 👀

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it migjt

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idk tbh

plain river
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I uh

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Went with the first thing that came to mind

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Nem

tawny grove
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ye i saw

plain river
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I’m gonna do it again to try for 5220 obols

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With Talos

tawny grove
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I did pos sword when i was testing

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but dont take that as advice

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i just like pos sword

tight basin
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why not do something that isn't boon intensive so you can just sell everything

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like hestia would be great

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tidal dash, atk boon, ocean's bounty

plain river
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that uh

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Is an idea

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that I am stealing

tight basin
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lmao go for it

opaque spire
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@tawny grove I did both challenges what do you get if you do it, cause I got the 5220 obols as well

plain river
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Oh lmao

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Pos start anyways

tawny grove
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Bragging rights

tight basin
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the only downside is going for eclipses from chaos rather than atk/dstrike

plain river
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I took hypnos keepsake

tight basin
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based

plain river
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And got pos c1

tight basin
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now get clockets 🔫

opaque spire
tight basin
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oh getting a special boon would be nice actually lmao

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so you'd need 4 boons

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unless you wanna take shackle into dad fight

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actually not a bad strategy lmao

opaque spire