#h1-builds-and-combat
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It takes a bit more circling around enemies.
The hammer is quite important to either boost the attack or special (more bombs mmmh)
guan yu is very bad at level 1 but at level 5 it gets good but risky
you always want the charged skewer hammer
k thx
l1 guan yu is the same as l5
ok but fr the HP reduction from l5 guan yu is a scam
it does high enough damage to one shot most of tart and aspho from a safe distance
(provided you get charged skewer***)
Glass canon basically. You either love it or hate it.
without it you'll need to use a dps rotation sometimes but it's fine
tight deadline 1 is basically entirely free
thx
There's a guide for a recommended Heat progression pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
ye i see thx
Not perfect, naturally, but very reasonable suggestions and avoids all the worst ones.
There's a prophecy for clearing a run with each pact (not all at once), that's good to aim for when you're still at low Heat to try to experiment with all the different pacts and see what they do.
Gives a lot of Titan Blood.
I'm not quite used with the lingo, what does TD means? (Ex. Bad with TD)
Oh thanks!
maybe taking the 400% trap dmg heat wasn't a good idea
It’s generally avoided till 40+ heat tbh
150 damage from hades pots is 
BRRRRRRUH BRO
btw im having the most insane run since i started the game
so funny
bro
the fkin vermin
just made me lose 1 dd
i hate this game

like
i can't get over it
if i had that dd
that run would end in victory
my only mistake was choosing cursed slice
i didn't study to math exam
double trouble fr
HUGE CATCH POGG
FISHING TIME

In general, what's the best hammers for hestia gun?
Rocket bomb -> cluster bomb or triple bomb
Ricochet Fire / Explosive Fire/ Piercing Fire all give your attack a level of aoe.
Targetting system if all else fails
I went top to bottom in terms of usefulness
And you forgot hazard bomb
And seeking fire
And delta chamber
Rail has a lot of hammers
It’s 7/12 of the rail hammers
If you see a hammer with 3 of the rest then just cope ig
Is there a niche where cold heart shines?
Cold Embrace, aphrodite + demeter duo? Not really
the niche is like with fists when you're on top of them lmao
but also youd never go for it
because in theory it sounds good but in practice probably not really
Yeah i tried once fist cold heart to test
Too much of a hassle, focusing on position
It’d be more worth it to just sell it for obols and get boiling blood back tbh
tbh most hammers help hestia
if you want a cast duo with fists, curse of drowning is probably better
it’s very hammer resistant
rail doesn't really have any hurtful hammers does it
except like, hazard on eris
spread fire is just neutral on hestia
Oh actually I forgot to mention delta chamber would be good because iframes
Only 4/12 hammers are cope picks on hestia
that doesnt work on empowered shot btw
Oh it doesn’t?
no
Still better then the 4 cope picks though
I love that one, last run just used that
uh
is hestia aspect bad or something
i feel like my damage is really underwhelming
it's taking me forever to get through fights even with epic aphro attac
what level is your hestia
No
because with epic aphrodite attack and enough poms, at most you'll 3 shot unarmored enemies in elyisum
also are you actually using the empowered shot
You gotta manually reload for the shot
I'm manually reloading every shot
what level hestia then
and it's level 2
What level is the hestia
okay yeah that's the issue
You’re doing like half the damage that max level is then
ah.
75 per shot isn't bad since it's basically a cshot but it doesn't pierce and is much slower
cshot?
Just take dash.
explosive fire is still a cope pick on hestia honestly
I’m over here trying to beat heat 1….
Heat 1 usually shouldn't be that different from heat 0. Which heat did you take
I tried extra bosses mechanics for a while but I think now I’m back to extra monsters per encounter
I feel like I’m just not getting damage. It’s like easy clear then I get to hades and the fight just takes forever and I wind up dying
Maybe my mirror skills are messed up. Haven’t really done much googling on best setups or anything.
Running all default besides dark regeneration and stubborn defiance
I’m jumping around. I have magnetic fists unlocked, poisoden swodd and caster spear
And the shield that tosses more shields
But all around level 1-2
Mirror guide by MiKe: #h1-for-new-players message
Lol well gotta start somewhere right…
I have the sword one unlocked but I haven’t had enough blood to afford it yet. But did the quest
I thought dark regem was the way to go
After clearing boss yoy already cleared, it’s a ton of HP
But I guess bosses are getting easier that I already cleared…
I mean, EM1 just adds some extra boss mechanics for the first boss that you need to dodge. If EM1 is a bit of trouble, you can just go for Tight deadline 1, there is zero difference in gameplay, and 9 minutes per biome is very easy, if your previous 0 heat runs are under 36 minutes you won't even notice it
AFTER dad?
I thought after dad it’s done lol oh boy
Thanks for tips
Will keep trying!
I think the issue with Styx is there is almost no way to gain darkness in Styx. Even in Elysium you can get darkness treasure chest or Charon shop that sells darkness that you can double as a heal
That was a joke
After dad it's done
Haha
But dark regen would heal you for a pointless reason
did u know hazard bomb stops damaging u after dad
By the way, for the mirror guide, I personally recommend Golden Touch if you are just going through low heat. With golden touch I was almost consistently able to buy the blood or diamond in the last shop, netting 0.5 or 1 extra blood per run for faster weapon unlocks.
But if you are having trouble clearing the runs, Deep pockets all the way
For early weapon unlocks, I personally recommend a few one point wonders that are easy to use and low cost Zag weapons that are good
Zeus shield rank 1, Nemesis sword rank 1, Put 5 total into spear to reveal Guan Yu (I recommend Achilles rank 3), Zag bow rank 5, Chiron bow rank 1~2(rank 1 chiron is still good for hangover build imo), Eris rail rank 1~2 and Zag fist rank 5
True but for new players it's kinda difficult to use Hera well imo. Also, I only used low rank Chiron for hangover builds
Is doom on special and attack pointless?
It doesn’t stack right?
Running the multi special shield aspect
Correct
Is guan yu level one good? Or too much hp loss…
it can work but usually not worth the hassle over other low lvl spears
Might as well run ri4 and hl5 
No
Well, the purpose of revealing GY is to enable you to reveal other hidden aspects. you don't have to put blood into it
Rank 1 on all other 5 hidden aspects can somewhat work
Rank one on arthur is as good as rank 5
not when ur me when i was garbage
it was like god mode lite
I used to think pom blossom is good for Elysium and Styx, but now I think it is only good in Tartarus if you save scum to get a good first room boon
I use it in asphodel when my boons are few and useful, and im not chasing a particular boon
Uncommon occasion, but still
Usually with Guan Yu or Hades
smoldering air and second wind
absurd combo
bro wtf
i also get billowing strength
and my aid is athena's
Hey everyone, I am doing a King arthur Shackle run. Does support fire negate the shackle buffs?
Since it has the keywords attack, special and cast
No because it’s not a core boon
Then again, idk how worth support fire is on Excalibur, since it attacks so slowly
Support fire isn’t worth it
so its literally just the boons that go into the 3 slots?
Yes
ah thank you very much
And you can have a core boon on strike and shackle with still affect special and cast if that isn’t clear from the keepsake description
hmm, idk if thats worth it though. I don't use cast at all and only use special for the aura
but thank you, that is very helpful information
hehehe
yo lowkey, talos with poseidon's special, quake cutter, poseidon's call, razor shoals, and proud bearing always get me my fastest runs, so i think its a pretty sick build if you like talos and dont mind having poseidon in your pool
ik, its a bad take lmao
Shadow or Fiery Presence on Zeus Shield?
I always take Shadow for every weapon but since the Special cant backstab I feel like Fiery might be worth it
yeah that's what ive been doing
i just always question myself whether id want the backstab on bull rushes for bosses though
also idk if the explosion on explosive return can backstab
Yeah
Backstab MAY trigger every now and then, but actually going for it is a lot of extra micro management you don't need
Meanwhile fiery you know it always procs, and is always helpful, specially in Tartarus
And you can forget about it and focus
Kinds like status vs favourite
except that pstatus you actually have to force, otherwise it's a useless talent
you dont exactly have to try and get a backstab in combat unless you're pressed for time and need the bonus damage
or to hit certain break points
Shadow if you take DC2. Otherwise Fiery.
question, what happened to the monthly challenges?
dont know if theres a better place to put this but it was based here so
I had a few more ideas that were narratively fun but the gameplay of the challenge wasn't really fun, so I kept tweaking for awhile but it just didn't really work. Then I got sick for awhile. And at the same time during all that, my interest in the game faded early last year and I didn't pick up the game again until very recently. 
ah
id be willing to pick it up if you're okay with it and if im like. allowed to do that?
interest for the game has been increasing because of 2 so
@tawny grove can I invite you to a group chat with @lucid ferry?
If you take DC 1 as well
Fair enough
DC1 makes sense on like... Beowulf or Hera, I guess.
Not that you'd want DC, but eventually there's not a lot of great other options.
ehh
That attack damage on Beowulf does a lot of work still. 
it's 160 damage with casts loaded
wait
it's some high amount of damage with casts loaded
220 with just Charged Shot + Fiery + bloodstones loaded.
With no Attack boon.
540 on armor if you also get Breaching Rush. Still with no boons.
Not that you would use HC in a context where you might consider DC. 
That's one run?
One run and one death
Dying sounds counterproductive.
hallo ! im kinda new here so im not sure if this is the right channel but
i currently have 48 out of 49 achievements of the game and the only one missing is Thorn of Thanatos (get 30% bonus damage with the Pierced Butterfly). does anyone have any tips on getting it? like weapons etc? 👁️
Hestia is probably your strongest option
Guan Yu is a solid pick aswell but needs Charged Skewer to get going
You can start with a strong Attack like Aphro and just play safe, or you can start Tidal Dash if you're into that playstyle but it incentivizes dashing into enemies more often
ooh i don't think i've tried hestia for this yet, ty!!
lol theres no way I wouldnt take DC2 on 50 heat
Whatever works for you.
How do you typically build and play zagreus shield?
I heard pulverizing blow is really good on it
Not as good as Charged Shot, but it's pretty good.
Im assuming arty/aphro attack usually
Aphrodite attack >>> arte attack tbh
Ooh ok
It’s significantly more consistent plus has good options to go into
Anything but Tempest Strike can work really well.
but somethings just work better then others
What options?
Zeus aid -> smouldering air -> 600 zeus support boons
K yeah I was figuring smair
Tbf that’s more then what artemis strike has after picking her up for zag shield
and is also just good
Best start for DPS imo is Tidal Dash.
Sounds about right
Makes sense to me
That's for DPS over the whole run anyway. Tidal Dash makes your exit time in Tartarus a lot more consistent.
Which helps a lot.
And your Styx problems are already solved.
Yeah Ik tidal dash is great for tartarus
Safest build that has still excellent DPS imo is Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smair.
Ight noted
It’s a melee aspect just build ME /j
Merciful End works great on it. Can also end up with you not getting what you want until very late.
Or at all
Still a decent build even without Merciful End, though.
From my limited experience with ME that sounds about right
ME is you hit or you cope
C1 Heroic CoA
You can't get Heroic boons in chamber 1.
Corrected again.
Not with that attitude
Even when you make joke, you lose.
The joke was that it’s impossible to get a heroic boon c1 in an unmodified game
T’was supposed to be incorrect
'Twas*
Twats*
Aspect of chaos shield, which god should I put on special?
What duo should I go for?
Gimme something to start with
I thought the special was what you go for since chaos has the multi shield thing
Nice take
Try Thunder Flourish and look for Static Discharge.
And try to get Explosive Return.
Double Strike, too.
And lots of poms on those.
It’s also a very true take tbh
Go for like 0:98
I had a 45/2 today, lowkey just pissed me off like why tf are u even there if ur not gonna help kill them
I think ur supposed to use zeus, dio, aphro, or ares but idk
aphro has big percentages, the others give flat damage
plus aphro applies weak
fellas
what are some good ares/ dio build
like focused on either one
cause i dont use them much and wanna get some ideas
preferably apart from blade rift cause that is just broken 😭😭
You can use Chiron and start with Drunken Flourish then try to get Aphro's attack and Vengeance from Ares. That opens both Low Tolerance and Curse of Nausea
ooo interesting
ill try trhat after this drunk shot build i got rn
or whatever its called
if you want to try a broken build, try going for merciful end (ares/athena duo boon) on twin fists
also i posted this on the sub earlier but
wait
i cant send pics oops
basically i got level 2 ice wine bc of pom porriage 💀💀
you can embed links
would that even change anything
this, not the embedding
Ice Wine is not pommable
it may be because of me using a few qol mods causing some issue but i got pom porriage from eurydice and it leveled up ice wine 💀💀
That's probably it
ive tried that but it wasnt that broken, which god do you put on what move?
Mods can be jank with some interactions
Ares on Attack and Athena on Special and later Dash
And try to get Impending Doom from Ares
ah then you can proc it using dash
smart
you dont really need to use the special but you need it for the prerequisite, mhm
it takes a bit of luck to get the build going but if it does its very strong
would dire misfortune help as well?
so strong that the dash got nerfed out of being a prerequisite
lmaoo yeah i figured thats why it wasnt available
not really i think, since you apply it immediately and dont stack it
ah okay
AHHH I FINALLY GOT DEMETER LEGENDARY I DID LIKE 5 NEARLY IN A ROW TRYING TO GET IT 😭😭
nice!
that took so long
its one of my faves
i have 130 hours in this game
saving this for myself later ill lyk how it goes
also whats a good athena build
for any weapon
cause i havent used her much in ages
So you're new. 
😭😭😭
Best build I can think of is a lightning phalanx build on something like achilles, and thats a zeus and athena build
Or merciful end
But lightning phalanx is more fun. Thats my absolute favorite achilles build
Im trying to think of anything else for athena centric builds but I got nothing
Shes mainly more of a defensive goddess, more for keeping you alive similar to like demeter. At least thats how I view it
Maybe she has a really good duo Im forgetting that makes a build, idk
merciful end
Besides that. I already know that one
Lightning Phalanx and Merciful End are kind of the only athena specific builds
Going out of your way to pick up deadly reversal on nemesis or zag bow is also an option but not really a specifically athena build
Oh wait

Thegamer is really a good source of Hades info guys
Bruh.
What
What is this
I mean it's a build.
well yeah
but like
this is kinda gross
They’re just like “make every single boon you have athena smh”
that’s pretty funny
Not even going for Divine Protection smh.
What's funny to me is somebody pays for low quality articles like that to be written, and somebody gets money to write that.
Playing lucifer? Ez just take exclusively one god
I tried a Guan Yu build for the first time yesterday. This weapon sucks but it makes you play more cautious
Not bad
just hurts more w/out titan blood in it
well you don’t “have” to
It makes it easier to lol
If you wanted to be a masochist take Pierced Butterly with guan yu
sarcasm but yes the main attack combo for guan yu is awful and should never be used
It looks cool but otherwise I just use Achilles
it is more intuitive
I just like guan yu more the special spam is pretty dope
I'm trying to tell my girlfriend that the game gets easier if you use boons to maximize the weapon's potential,one day she'll see the light
Skill issue
Not using builds is viable but it makes things a hell of a lot easier if they're working with the weapon rather against it lol
Uber based
any fist build ?
Do bosses have any resistance to Charm?
They take like 1/3 of the charm time
It can disrupt their attacks but it's pretty hard to get them to attack anything
That's good to know: might try a Charm-Stun Lock build with Smoldering Air and Aphrodite's Aid: not sure how many Poms specifically for Aid it would take for that to work though.
Also I just like Charm for the stun/interrupts; its nice canceling some of the boss's big attack animations when the heart hits.
Use Chiron with Heartbreak Flourish and Unhealthy Fixation, too. 
Hehe indeed!
what's a typical Asphodel time for a sub 10? i just started trying to get faster with zeus shield and i dont remember how quick i cleared asphodel on my sub 10 runs
ik ive never had a sub 2 tart before though
i think my best is like 2:10 or 2:15 for tart
i keep not getting eurydice or patroclus and only occasionally getting a sisyphus or a fountain which is annoying
Probably around 4:00-4:30
Zeus shield can struggle in asphodel
Yeah for players trying to hit sub 10 for the first time it’s probably easier to bank time in Tartarus/aspho
You can do like 2:30 for each biome
Which is not gonna happen because your Elysium is likely gonna be slower but you can think of it that way
That you should be out of ely by 7:30
Or 9:05 if using beo 
Ive hit it before but on the fists and rail, not the shield
Ah right
the bow and shield are typically my slowest weapons
Have you tried speedrunning Beowulf by any chance
Zeus is a tricky one
im absolutely terrible with beowulf
it's fun to use when you have a strong build but i cant use it well for the life of me, even with the strongest builds
im better with zag shield than beowulf
beo is just hard for me to get used to. i never know when to use all my cast stones or when to just use 1 or 2, i dont even know when it's worth it to charge a dragon rush or just kill smaller enemies with dash strikes or the special
zeus used to be my worst aspect at first but then i got used to it and now it's one of my go tos, i used it for 32 and 40 heat on the shield (dont even think i bothered trying the other shield aspects at 40). but i have used beo a decent amount and still am p bad with it
i mean with enough practice and playing you'll use beo better
learning breakpoints is just experience based
lol I just tried a 32 heat run with beo and died against asterius as a miniboss, that's how bad i am with this weapon
well do it again and learn how to use beo lol
yeah
most top beo players didn’t instantly pick up the weapon and start crapping out sub 6es
and if they did it’s because they have thousands of hours elsewhere
just felt bad selling snow burst for the very first time in my life lmao
2nd beo 32 heat attempt i just died to dad like halfaay through his 2nd phase, im literally better with guan yu than this weapon 😭)
it's annoying bc i would dragon rush into him but i couldnt get out of the animation quick enough to dash away from his spin attack
i ddidnt have cshot in either run, but i got sudden rush
no like i dragon rush and he telegraphs his spin attack but when i try to dash away i still get hit
that's exactly what im saying, 32 heat is normally pretty easy but with beo for some reason it's rough for me
i had a great build too, apart from common flood flare but i had a lot of poms on it so it became good, like 160 damage
mirage yes, RD no
but for some reason i almost never get RD anyway even if my first hermes is hyper sprint
yeah bc the only things i usually want from hermes are hyper sprint, RD, and/or greatest reflex
ig in this case one of his cast boons wouldve been nice
Save rolls for wells too
but i had epic snow burst, mirage, divine dash, pommed flood flare, sudden rush, and an extra cast stone, shouodve been way more than i needed
i almost never roll wells lol
Although less useful at 32 since you take acorn
i more often roll pools than wells tbh
i never know what i should get from wells tbh, with cf2 everything's so expensive
why would i not
it's really not
CF2 is crippling
ri1 is horrendous, but cf2 really doesnt hurt me that much
you don't think it hurts you that much but on average you're losing 4 boons/poms throughout the entire run
which is kind of huge
and losing out on massive well value sux too
HL5 LC4 CF2
bar
i haven't taken off fo2 for like the past 200 hours of hades gameplay lol
i havent done 32 in awhile lol all i actively skip is RI, CP, and AP
i think i did lc1 cf2 js1 or something instead of lc4, idk why
None of those are in a 32 pact
oh it was bc i died to asterius miniboss the first 32 beo run so i figured id need dd for elysium
so i didnt take sd or lc4 the next time
Or tooth ely
You don’t need dd for ely
You don’t need dd at all, but it’s good to have
You technically don’t need HP or any boons either
I don’t have to, you’ll be dead
Perma chaos curse lezgo
for me, with beo, i do. i didnt for guan yu at 32 tho
Should learn how to use SD LC4 then
that's exactly wtf im saying im awful with beo
i had to for 40 on every weapon fym it's just beo that i cant
Then learn it
i did learn it
For beo
Just learn beo on the basic speedrun pact tbh
Slamming your head on heat will eventually work but it just feels worse if you die lol
At least with the standard speedrun pact you probably won't die
I mean if the goal rn is for 32 heat it'll help more
Idk how I did 50 in 8 tries
I had a few runs reach dad but died to em4, switched to ap2 dc1 and won first try with that pact lol
To be completely fair
I had a sub7 when I started grinding beo heat
Lmao
oh it was modded beo
Modded reduces rng, doesn’t discount skill rather then making it so that you don’t have to do 800 runs with bad rng
Like this is legitimately a horrible build
Me playing modded didn't exactly give me a free win lmao
Should’ve done frost flare tbh
My first unmodded 50 was first attempt
iirc angels first unmodded 60 was third attempt lol
Sometimes it just happens
it doesnt look horrible
186 passion flare
pp, greatest reflex, cshot, looks like a good build
i didnt say it gives u a free win
No pstatus
Low lvl flare
Literally just spamming cshot because I have a ton of jerkies
my flood flare was like lvl 6 or 7 and still weaker than that low lvl passion flare though
I just wanted to clairify that modded 50 heat wasn’t just referring to installing any given mod and beating 50 heat with it
Yes but mirage shot lol
mirage increases the damage by 30% right?
On flares
wait what it says it's 30% though
It’s bugged on flares
It’s why flood flare is the general go to
~is bugged on flares
Bruh
If you're using flood flare, you better get mirage shot
i tried with td2 the problem is u have to take some of the stuff u were avoiding before
Otherwise damage sucks
Td3 and td0 are the same thing
not with js3 cp1 they arent
I was talking by itself
Td3 isn’t free if you have the bad pacf options on
js3 and cp1 are fine for td3 if you know what you're doing
td2 is usually still free even with js3 cp2 bp2
if im using the fists or rail theyre perfectly fine but at 50 heat nothing's been getting me very far consistently besides the shield
which im slow af with
Those all together are really really bad though
it’s literally just pain
hence, "if you know what you're doing"
fists and rail have cleared above 50 heat and they prob took those pacts
ik
for me hs does me in with the fists in asphodel if i dont get long knuckle
i have yet to get even a decent rail build for some reason on 50 even tho i did a bunch of attempts with ap1 ri0
i always get like a common zeus or dio attack after rolling with like 1 or 2 poms at most, bad hammers, and absolute garbage from other gods
i mean at this point, you guys need to hone your skills more
assuming you guys have good pacts, you just need more practice
and yeah having good rng will help ofc
so keep doing runs, either you'll click with the weapon and/or you get good rng
You know that while your Casts are still going boom, your dashes don't have invincibility, right?
Probably will have an easier time with Passion Flare > Snow Burst with Privileged Status.
how do i unlock beowulf
talk to chaos
have guanyu revealed
and invest 5 titan blood into shield aspects
more detail on the wiki page
thx
is giving up divine dash, impending doom and quick recovery worth it to recover 1 death defiance?
I'm gonna go with it just to see how far I can get
Requirements for hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion. 
I don't think so.
If it's just Impending Doom and/or Quick Recovery maybe.
alright I have an Athena room here so I hope I can get back Divine Dash
Divine Dash unlocks Last Stand and Deathless Stand in her pool, too. So if you have that, you can just hope to get either one of those.
They each replenish a DD.
I did get Last Stand earlier in the run so Deathless Standing is my only way of getting DD at this point I think
aaa that's my last DD gone
those lasers are annoying as Hell
the green crystal snake things are screwing me over big time
Styx can be pretty tough when you first get there.
honestly I do not give a damn about how hard it is anymore, I'm just happy I don't have to fight Cerb
You'll want to circle the Snakestones. Their tracking can't follow you fast enough.
game scared for a moment with that
lmao
hmmm, divine dash or holy shield
Curing pools cure poison.
how does one get poisoned in the first place?
In that area there are a lot of enemies that can poison
Satyr darts, Gigantic Vermin poison puddles, poison cloud traps.
so I've got a choice of Curse of Agony Level 2 to 4, Divine Dash Level 1 to 3 and Blinding Flash Level 1 to 3, I think Blinding Flash or Divine Dash is my best bet?
Poison only lasts whilst in combat though, so sometimes if you can finish the encounter it's faster than getting to a cure
what abt Blinding Flash?
Poms don’t do much
So I found a Satyr sack and I think that means I can get out of here but there's still an Ares boon, money and health left as room rewards
is it worth the risk
to get those before I leave
Do you have merciful end
It depends on your build and what can Ares offer you, usually it's not worth it
nope, and I got rid of Impending Doom earlier for another DD

nope
Probably not worth taking then
Just go to the surface then
at least I don't think, I might tho, how do I check
Press B
Divine Flourish is Athena Special
It's a prereq for ME
You can screenshot your build and send it here so people have more context to give you better advice
ah, it's deadly flourish, not divine, so nopesies
surface it is then?
Yea
Buy anything if you can
not enough monies
aight, thank you cats
I did not stand a bloody chance against Hades, messed up early and took like half health then didn't realise the skulls were damaging me and swiftly died
nah
it’s just a little harder than usual because of health
But lifesteal and special use is really good
It’s good for the people who hate guan yu because they get hit too much
I think lifesteal does help give back health that you lost most of the time
I could be entirely wrong though
You'd only need Quick Spin for FO2.
And just hold charge and stay there until you get hit
And even then it's not necessary.
better hesty
There are way more ways to play than just speedrun brain FO2 every run.
FO2 is never going off 💪
That's your own decision.
Tbh spin focused guan-yu sounds wacky
Might turn off fo2 and mess around with it
I can seriously tell you that I don't have trouble doing spin builds with FO2 lol.
And yes, I've turned off FO2 before.
Nyaanyaa mewoment
Js3 Fo0 so I can witness extra carnage

For a spin build would you take arte on strike because of the +% from massive spin?
Take aphro on special
🤔
I wouldn't, but you can.
True
Nyaanyaa try to not to fill every core with Lady Aphrodite boons challenge: impossible
Heartbreak Strike gud, Deadly Strike gud, Divine Strike gud, Frost Strike gud, Tempest Strike gud.
Lightning strike gud?
Probably not.
Tbh the one spin build I do remember doing was pos strike
Divine Strike and Tempest Strike are probably the safest.
Guan yu spin is pretty solid
Even if the idea of Tempest Strike spin sounds pretty stupid at first.
Like.. wouldn't you knock away the enemies from your spin? Yeah, but the knockback on the spin is so strong, nothing's ever gonna touch you.
what're some good beowulf builds
Cshot
Flood flare -> deadly strike -> mirage shot
Passion flare -> snow burst
thunde3r flare
I’d rather have shackle
moments before disaster
https://imgur.com/a/X0pYKNK
Today i learned/confirmed that Parting shot both enables cast backstabbing and provides a general/global backstab bonus
Because i have fiery presence and backstabbed with attack
parting shot’s backstab bonus only applies to casts
It's just the text
It's bugged
Doesnt actually do any extra damage
I’m pretty sure that’s what happened
Peculiar
Parting Shot does nothing for hestia
On castpects
makes sense
Particularly when using phalanx shot since the huge hitbox can make it back stab from the front iirc?
huh
Only on Hera
i mean
i don't understand what special does
- lifesteal is like 2 per skewer so i don't think if its good
when a singular enemy deals above 10
the special doesnt have the recall mechanic from other spears, but has 45 base dmg (vs 15 from other spears) and has quite the aoe
pair with charged skewer for +200% dmg
is basically the same as exploding launcher but 5 dmg weaker
On Hera, Phalanx Shot basically spawns behind the enemy, so you get a backstab. 
Not behind, but right in the back of the enemy.
What are good spear aspects? I always avoid playing spear since it feels so boring and weak, especially guan yu
Probably just dont know how to build em
but what do I do with guan yu? The spin seems so giga-slow its just too much risk for not much reward
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053536636572532766/1063954600425705543/image.png of the greyed out duos, which of them are best? I'm going boon hunting to see if i can complete this prophecy.
The Special is what makes Guan Yu very strong, you’re looking for the Charged Skewer hammer to make it stronger and then you can just add a +% Special boon and you’re basically set, you can also do Merciful End
Lightning Phalanx and Crystal Clarity are pretty good, Deadly Reversal is a solid boon but generally not the focus of a build. Sea storm and Cold Fusion are situationally good, also not the main focus of a build. Vengeful Mood even more situational, it’s kinda mid at best.
ty!
You can do Lightning Phalanx and Crystal Clarity on Achilles, since they’re Cast builds the +150% is very strong on them. Poseidon is a good second option, moreso for Lightning Phalanx because your Casts lodge into enemies but both builds still work
Oh lol I thought it had something to do with the hitbox
You get more mileage out of parting shot with lightning phalanx I assume
cool so I'm going for vengeful mood first
I rolled a 1 on my insight there 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728203360553009172/1063987538798317608/image.png
i havent played in a while, why do some of them have the portrait in the top right?
maxed bond
you can get them all eventually
plume is my fav keepsake by far
like, it's not even close
i wish it gave u more time with respect to jury summons & calisthenics program though
Tbh
At the point in heat where you run either of those, you aren’t taking plume
i used plume for my 40 heat sword and fists clears
it's unusable past 40 heat tho sadly
You were using js3 and cp2 at 40 heat?
oh i see what u meant nvm mb
i meant that i used the plume for 40, but it's annoying i cant use it for 50 bc i have to turn up js and/or cp a good amount
is chiron bow better with Dionysus special or artemis special
assuming u get aphro on attack and all 3 duo boons
which 3
because like
arty special and aphro atk is only 1 duo
dio special with aphro atk is 1 duo
Either crit or tick damage.
If you can get +4 shots on special and consecutive damage from hammer
With add-on support fire
You get big damage with artemis special
% specials on chiron need concentrated volley to be good
dio is just more consistent and doesn't need conc volley
just poms
but getting it to lvl 5+ shouldn't be difficult
dio special is the best for rama too (at least by itself, ofc if u get the right supplementary boons zeus can be better, just like with their calls)
the best for chiron imo would be a low tolerance build, aphro attack and dio special. on chiron's special idk if all the arrows together count as one attack or if each arrow kndividually counts as a separate attack. in the former case, heart rend can be amazing with artemis special, in the latter i'd just stick with low tolerance. maybe splitting headache could be good too if you have pressure points though
ahh thanks for the advice y’all
when is stubborn defiance good?
It’s the latter but it’s uber good with conc volley
well
As uber good as chiron special is
I'll try this out with Chiron
Currently working on the highest level of Extreme Measures for a run
What shield aspect should I max first? Zeus or chaos
Zeus way stronger
Alright I'll get that then
Zeus is significantly better
Levels on chaos are negligible because the special is negligible
I have been enjoying playing with Chiron bow. Probably my go to weapon aspect right now. I know how crazy good it is with Dio on the special. Is there a boon that doesn’t work well with Chiron special or all the boon are viable?
All the +%’s cry if you don’t find concentrated volley, and curse of pain is
on chiron special, and zeus special has internal cooldowns so only really shoots off 1 or 2 bolts (more with double strike) per special
Dio is the only consistent one
The +% work well but only if you find concentrated volley
Ok I see. Will try out all the different build on Chiron and hopefully I can get lucky with hammer rng.
My Chiron Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message
The 5 that are listed are all really good. The 3 Special boons I didn't include can work but don't have anything in particular going for them.
6 and 2
Ty.
Oh
I have Nemesis w8th Passion Dash, Drunken Strike, Dio's Aid, Flood Shot, Deadly Flourish, and Splitting Headache. I just got offered Low Tolerance and Exclusive Access at the end of Asphodel. Wtf do I pick
low tolerance, also try to ditch either drunken strike or dionysus aid asap
oh i didnt know that, prob gonna sell dio's aid then
we wouldn't say so otherwise
imo sell off the drunken strike and hope for aphro or arte on strike but it's up to you
i alr took low tolerance tho lmao so unless u want me to hope for smair or smth it doesnt make that much sense to sell drunken strike
true
it'd be too much to hope for aphro or arte on strike in elysium and hope for heart rend after that
doing another nem run, chaos offers me 68% attack on an addled strike or 47% dash strike on a caustic lunge, which do j take?
im thinking the dash strike one but idk if the attack one affects dash strike too
Strike affects Dash-Strikes, too.
Just like Attack boons do.
So you just take the higher one.
thanks!
i thought theres a lot of cases where sonething buffs only the dash strike or only the regular attack
those are specific hammers
not boons
*except swift strike
Swift Strike, Swift Flourish, and a lot of the Attack/Special hammers, yeah.
swift flourish buffs neither dash strike nor regular strike so it doesn't fall into this category
Dash-Strikes can be Dash-Special.
Well, that one doesn't count as a Dash-Strike.
Will be faster with Swift Flourish, yeah.
What are you confused about?
Everything is perfectly consistent and logical.
I tried the Chiron build for Privileged Status, managed to beat Extreme Measures Hades by the skin of my teeth lol
Nice! Congratulations! 
Thanks,I feel accomplished. That third phase almost got me lol
Rate my 20 heat pact guys

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1064323236709552148/IMG_2772.jpg
gud
I can’t imagine this with fo2 lol
This is actually harder then my 32 heat pact and possibly my 40 heat pact
I’m gonna cry if I don’t get quickspin in ely
I’m so used to fo2 lernie that I saw fo0 lernie and thought I was playing in slowmo
Well that was your first mistake
I figured for funzies I’d try to build the spin with a really annoying heat pact
It’s annoying
Spin build but the first two hits won't stun. Very clever. 
I wanted to make it last longer for… reasons I can’t fathom
HADES II ANNOUNCEMENT CELEBRATION CHALLENGE
The Birth of Melinoë
Deep in the Underworld below, the House of Hades is bustling with preparations for the arrival of Princess Melinoë. The immortal Prince is overjoyed to hear of his new baby sister, and rushes to get her a gift. Alas, he is short of coin.
Collect (at least) 3,142 Obols in one successful run to buy Melinoë a birthday gift. 
Extra Challenge (optional):
Collect (at least) 5220 Obols!
“Anything for my baby sister.”—Zagreus
You can submit your runs here. A victory screenshot or video is required: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfLWhDFQkDDiTK6ZaQt2yMLoCY5irsftNWLuq4xVR-U4auIAQ/viewform
If you wish to be notified of any new <@&737365219982049411> , type ?rank Hades Monthly Challenge in #bot-commands.
me and nyaanyaa worked together on this :)
wait where’d the poster go
I CANT EVEN GET 1000 AH IM SO SCARED
it’s easier then you’d think
NEW MONTHLY CHALLENGE
Ez 💪
why 3142 specifically?
three thousand??????????
How’s that even possible 😭
The game left Game Pass and I still haven't been able to buy it. 😦
Try editing the link with <>, and then edit again without the <>. That should fix the embed.
Iirc there is a different work order with that price tag
monthly challenge :wmicpog:
sounds fun!
Imma go try rn
we’re gonna try doing this again
hoarding slash real
Is it 3142 on the dot?
I've apparently gotten nearly 5k
Gonna go punishing Sweep
So it’s 3142 and not 5220?
5220 is a bonus goal?
It's at least that amount of Obols.
Dunno if this is allowed but if you dm me I'll buy you Hades when I get paid
If i go above it how good is that?
FOUR

I’m shooting for 5220
@tawny grove can you update the text to "at least" just to clarify the ruling. 
Imma try setting my record
Ty ty.
getting precisely is on another level
First gotta beat hades rn
I might reopen Hades after a long time for this. I hope my oldie laptop can still handle the game.
Dear god you can’t do this to me when I can’t play the gaaaame 
itll last at least until February dw
There's no end date for submissions.
true
You can still submit runs for all the previous challenges, too.
beat the challenge in hades 2
Okay lets start the run
ping
pong
🏓
Bet
A present
her sickle 
I'll need to friend request you. My DMs and friend requests are disabled for personal reasons. Also thanks.
Also I just read the rules - I don't see anything in them about giving games away. Asking would probably be a violation, but I wasn't asking. Just saying I haven't had the money to buy it yet. lol It's on my list, I've just been broke whenever it happened to go on sale for XBox.
mel is born with a dagger in her hand
a nice car
The only thing I'll say is it's not pi, and neither number is random. If anyone can actually figure out the second number, I'll count it as a win for them for the challenge. 
i'll get it for u np np
thank god it's not pi bc pi is 3.1415(...) and I would riot if folks got that wrong 😭
The pi is a lie.
Well, that rounds up to 3.142.
theres plenty of strategies
Shhhh.
We don't help with the challenges.

😔
ive gotten 1k in like late tartarus, it's totally possible
@covert grove challenge is up. Thanks again for the advice. 
it's like the eldest sigil restoration thing for 3142
Are they both things that are references ingame? Or do they require knowledge of outside things like the deeper mythos or speedruns?
gn
yes
both
kinda
i wont say more
any good Beowulf builds?
start flood flare -> get deadly strike -> get mirage shot
mirage shot is bugged on beo to deal 100% damage instead of 30% damage
isn't duo like really rare tho
not really
Ehh, they’re just dependent on what your build’s like
without mirror?
also there's plenty of examples of people getting like 3+ duos without gods' legacy
@plain river you got some pics lmao
oh actually
oh nvm i dont have any
the most I've gotten in one run is 4 duos
does deadly strike's crit affect the cast for Beowulf
I did the run for the challenge yippee
also do you only need one boon from per god for the duo to be available?
petition for guaranteed 2-sack after getting tiny vermin first tunnel
No it needs to be core boons
Check the codex for prereqs
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053536636572532766/1064413275263078440/image.png?width=755&height=425 somehow I don't think I'm making it out of this alive
I have trillions of screenshots of 3+ duos without legacy
At one point I started compiling them
Nope
cool so I just wasted a nectar 😔
it's ok tho I think i have everyone maxed on nectar
Well
Not really
It could’ve been +10% movespeed
Or 10% damage reduction
You just got the short end of the stick this time
Do you want my discord user name or what for the submission?
Since it’s a required category
yeah user works
K
Done
I think I submitted it properly
I’m surprised I got it first try
I figure 10 heat is best obol heat?
Js3, bp2, mm
Not sure if bp2 or mm even affect obol gain tbh
ye i saw
I did pos sword when i was testing
but dont take that as advice
i just like pos sword
why not do something that isn't boon intensive so you can just sell everything
like hestia would be great
tidal dash, atk boon, ocean's bounty
lmao go for it
@tawny grove I did both challenges what do you get if you do it, cause I got the 5220 obols as well
Bragging rights
the only downside is going for eclipses from chaos rather than atk/dstrike
I took hypnos keepsake
based
And got pos c1
now get clockets 🔫
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
oh getting a special boon would be nice actually lmao
so you'd need 4 boons
unless you wanna take shackle into dad fight
actually not a bad strategy lmao
I did it it y'all (I'm flexing )
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