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#h1-builds-and-combat
valid dagger
Had like 3 ichors and hyper sprint -> styx -> hermes miniboss -> common rd 
tight basin
"bruh thanks game"
valid dagger
As a legacy enjoyer I’m used to seeing common Hermes only 🗿
tight basin
lmao i only use legacy on beo because i dont hardcore reset
and probably if im going for ME too
valid dagger
On beo yea
tight basin
always pleasantly surprised when i get epic hermes tho
esp if it's side hustle
because then i can afford the styx hermes later
and not get rd
worthy jasper
In 23 runs I've not gotten rd at all.
tight basin
It do be like that
near ferry
thanks for the suggestions i finally got my merciful end with a proper setup
opal urchin
merciful end is so so fun to use
near ferry
i also got deadly reversal and vengeful mood 
3 duos in 1 run
couldve gotten lightning rod but i think its garbage
opal urchin
OMG GO OFF
near ferry
my vengeful mood also applies doom so i think i had the best rng so far
opal urchin
couldve gotten lightning rod but i think its garbage
i used it once on an artemis cast build and it honestly was fun to get bonus damage in while collecting casts but it’s definitely not the best duo in the game
near ferry
i personally dont like it all that much, i use the thing where if you got cast stuck on enemies you do more dmg so its anti synergistic
and i find the aoe to be small
opal urchin
i personally dont like it all that much, i use the thing where if you got cast s...
ooooooo true true
near ferry
i shouldve gotten lightning rod for the meme
opal urchin
you should’ve, 4 duo boons in one run
opal urchin
girlboss build in my opinion
is vengeful mood any good btw? i used it once and had no real opinions on it
near ferry
i think its good ig 
since its just free damage
i kinda melted Hades
ngl i kinda expected it to be better
spark kite
What build would y'all use for a hitless run?
I'm thinking Poseidon sword with Crystal Clarity, but I'm not sure.
worthy jasper
Since the first run I actually won was with a weak build maybe I should take the mirror upgrade that reduces speed and attack rather than making me deal more damage.... Is that valid?
meager geyser
What build would y'all use for a hitless run?
I'm thinking Poseidon sword with C...
hestia rail is the easiest weapon for it imo
spark kite
Since the first run I actually won was with a weak build maybe I should take the...
Well, play the game how you like. Everything is "valid" so to speak.
I wouldn't recommend it though, because you can get familiar with the movement patterns of your enemies, and that's harder to do when their speed changes with bloodstones in them.
spark kite
hestia rail is the easiest weapon for it imo
What build would you go for then? I assume Zeus attack?
meager geyser
uh it's hestia so you'd go artemis or aphrodite
since the focus is with the charged shot
so zeus wouldn't really do much
but zeus cast would be actually nice, since hestia rail lacks the aoe damage so a mook room clearer like zeus cast would be very helpful
spark kite
Ah right. Never played much rail, and when I did it was always Lucifer. '^^
meager geyser
I haven't played much Lucifer myself, planning to try it out again after I got time to come back playing the game
spark kite
I'm kind of afraid of rail for hit-less bc you'd have to stand still to deal damage.
But I'll give it a shot and see how it does for me. ^^
||hah, get it? A shot?||
meager geyser
hestia rail is ideal since it's long-range damage
something like sword would put you at risk with its close-range
spark kite
Well that's why I'd go with Crystal Clarity
meager geyser
it would be too slow to start going
and you'd just get a bunch of failed runs in tartarus imo
spark kite
Oh I've cleared Tartarus twice with said build already, I was struggling in Asphodel xD
meager geyser
I think there's like 2 vids of hitless /w hestia rail, lemme search real quick
spark kite
That would be great. Could give me an idea of how to position.
meager geyser
spark kite
Oh it's Haelian! I know this guy! ^^
meager geyser
oh whoops lol
for the 2nd and 3rd vid you can check out duunk0 and Mako's channel
both of them used hestia rail as well
spark kite
Nah that's cool. I like his videos.
What's interesting to me is that he goes with pierced butterfly. I would've expected an olympian keepsake.
meager geyser
I guess it's just to keep track as to whether he's been hit or not
but Haelian also don't really like using god keepsakes as far as I can tell
he usually starts with Cthonic Coin Purse
spark kite
mood tbh. Not taking olympians means more variety in the runs.
meager geyser
yeah considering that he's been playing for like a thousand hours plus I think, it's understandable that going with the same keepsake orders would be boring
spark kite
Also taking all the damage-amp heat options is genious for faster resets xD
opal urchin
gonna try and do more rail gun builds, what are y’all’s favorite aspects and boons for it?
cause i have no clue how to use it
spark kite
I loved doing Lucifer with Zeus attack and either of the tripple-A specials (Athena, Artemis, Aphrodite). Poseidon attack into Storm Lightning (Zeus Poseidon duo) is also fun. ^^
spark kite
hestia rail is ideal since it's long-range damage
I've just failed my first run, but I got all the way to Elysium on first attempt. I'm genuinely surprised how much damage Hestia does. Will definitely keep at it. Thanks for the advise. ^^
opal urchin
I loved doing Lucifer with Zeus attack and either of the tripple-A specials (Ath...
oooo!!! i’ll try that then
meager geyser
good luck to you both 
and yea Hestia's damage is just insane
especially if you take Heart Rend
glacial grail
Im doing a bow run aspect of chiron with aphrodite on attack and artemis on my special
should I got for flurry shot or concentrated volley
I got this feeling that concentrated volley would make my special even stronger
And I already have the +1 hammer upgrade on my special as well
Got Ares and Athena too
worthy jasper
I posted this screenshot in the other channel. Did I just get lucky or were there some actually good choices in there?
plain river
should I got for flurry shot or concentrated volley
concentrated volley
glacial grail
Yeah thats the one I picked! Figured it would combine well and it did! Thanks
short lintel
someone throw a random build for me to try, im down for anything I just want to try somethin new
please and thank you
cobalt wadi
beo flood flare mirage shot is pre fun
short lintel
gotcha i will try and work to getting beowulf then
cobalt wadi
i think u have to talk to chaos with the shield equipped
short lintel
ill look it up
short lintel
any duo boons for either?
plain river
yeah talk to chaos with the shield equipped to get the first phrase then you can talk to him again with any weapon after that for the awakening phrase
cobalt wadi
the first one needs mirage shot which is poseidon artemis
plain river
it doesn't need mirage shot
it just really really likes it
cobalt wadi
but for hera bow idk if it runs any duos. i never go for any when i try it
cobalt wadi
it doesn't need mirage shot
it just really really likes it
yea i guess
plain river
because mirage shot is bugged on all flares to deal full damage rather then just 30%
cobalt wadi
yea its broken
cobalt wadi
yep
plain river
but for hera bow idk if it runs any duos. i never go for any when i try it
aphrodite cast hera doesn't go out of it's way for any other then maybe zeus for smouldering air
cobalt wadi
thats it
plain river
is there anything I have to do before?
talk to chaos with the shield equipped to get the first phrase then you can talk to him again with any weapon after that for the awakening phrase
*mind the fact that dialogue is rng
short lintel
oooh ok ill look it up
cobalt wadi
aphrodite cast hera doesn't go out of it's way for any other then maybe zeus for...
for zeus call presumably? smouldering air isnt exactly the best with aphrodite’s aid in my experience
plain river
oooh ok ill look it up
you don't need to look it up I just told you verbatim how to do it
plain river
is there anything I have to do before?
have 5 titans blood invested into shield aspects
short lintel
oh ok gotcha
cobalt wadi
*and have guan yu
plain river
and you need gy
short lintel
guan yu?
plain river
the hidden spear
cobalt wadi
u need to talk to achilles
plain river
hera bow with priviledged status and crush shot -> snow burst from demeter
cobalt wadi
artemis if u want heart rend i guess
short lintel
ill give it a shot
i have been doing nothing but heart rend nemesis builds
so i wanna do somethin new is all
thanks for this
cunning urchin
You can find 8 naturally. My personal best is 7. 
plain river
you can theoretically get 8 through 5 natural in tart -> force the rest in for the next 3 biomes
plain river
i have been doing nothing but heart rend nemesis builds
tbh zag bow builds pretty similiarly to nemesis
cunning urchin
you can theoretically get 8 through 5 natural in tart -> force the rest in for t...
I mean 8 naturally.
Without forcing a single one.
grand brook
how?
plain river
would that be 3 god enter styx
then get all the other 5 in styx tunnels and shop
right?
cunning urchin
You already know, so why ask. 
plain river
because I don't trust myself 100% of the time
plain river
cunning urchin
@tepid lynx this guide is a good starting point if you want to speed up your runs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI
echo fjord
Any specialized mono god builds based on each god’s promoted playstyle?
Not only one god run just to be clear
More like how Athena makes you live longer and Ares makes you kill more
I really like the unique effects from each god. Like doom, hangover, frost, weak, etc
cunning urchin
I guess double down on Lord Zeus or Poseidon.
echo fjord
I guess what I’m asking is what’s the best weapon for each unique god effect? Like, best hangover build
cunning urchin
@gusty rapids Zag Bow entering Asphodel, probably Arrowhead? Maybe Hourglass or Smair? https://i.imgur.com/QZUkEk9.png
cunning urchin
I guess what I’m asking is what’s the best weapon for each unique god effect? Li...
We normally choose the aspect first and then do builds centered around 2 sometimes 3 gods. Maybe this guide will give you some ideas. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
gusty rapids
prolly zeus for call, arty already in pool
cunning urchin
Ty ty.
echo fjord
What’s the very best weapon for Merciful End?
charred nebula
for the attack on the aspect on nemesis should i run poseidon for higher base damage, or artemis for higher crit chance?
and for the special should i run poseidon or athena?
cunning urchin
Scroll up just a bit for a build guide, has tips for Nemesis, too. :D
charred nebula
Scroll up just a bit for a build guide, has tips for Nemesis, too. :D
thanks :)
tight basin
for the attack on the aspect on nemesis should i run poseidon for higher base da...
artemis for higher crit chance, athena or aphrodite for the special to get their respective duos
also never take poseidon atk
poseidon has the 2nd lowest % modifier for the atk, and its only ahead of artemis who can crit
and the knock back hurts more than helps
charred nebula
poseidon has the 2nd lowest % modifier for the atk, and its only ahead of artemi...
idk how or why, but i never realized he was the second lowest %
thanks for pointing that out :)
charred nebula
ohhhh ik why
charred nebula
for the special he has the 2nd highest tho which is funky
yup
that’s exactly why i thought his attack would be busted
tight basin
once could say for balance, but then aphrodite has the highest for both lmao
charred nebula
that’s actually crazy how i never noticed that
tight basin
yeah it's a big reason why a lot of top builds have aphrodite in them
charred nebula
i always just shrugged aphro off cause i prefer higher damage instead of lowering enemy damage
charred nebula
my b lol
tight basin
aphro does both which is kinda insane
charred nebula
yea
charred nebula
hahah
tight basin
ddash is unfortunately good lmao
tight basin
just make sure you put her on stuff that hits slow but hard
dont put it on like rail or fist atk lmao
tight basin
shield special is base 15 damage which is pretty pitiful lol
chaos aspect i guess is 75 which is something but also shield special kinda sucks to use in the first place lmao
just slap aphrodite on the atk and call it a day lol
charred nebula
i heard that zeus, ares, and fio can be pretty dang good on chaos special
turbid needle
They are okay on it, yeah
charred nebula
i usually run beo, but i like to run chaos sometimes
tight basin
beo based
tepid lynx
<@783566329574850600> this guide is a good starting point if you want to speed u...
Thank u so much!! 
chrome solar
I've been trying to do an eris rail rocket bomb build
But I just never get rocket bomb
tight basin
it do be like that
cunning urchin
Incompatible with Hazard Bomb, so make sure you don't take that.
worthy jasper
Do flat damage builds perform better than percentage builds at lower upgrade levels? I’m think of just maxing the Zagreus aspects because they are significantly cheaper.
tight basin
no, it still depends on the aspect
but lower aspects that naturally use flat damage can be used at a low level with flat damage sources
like zeus shield
worthy jasper
Naturally uses flat damage?
tight basin
like, the meta build would want to use flat damage
like on fists, it wants a flat damage attack
and no matter the level on the aspect, it wont change the how much damage it does really
cunning urchin
Do flat damage builds perform better than percentage builds at lower upgrade lev...
Sure, they're cheaper, but keep in mind when Amir was asked why Zag Sword was so bad, he said something to the effect of what do you expect for 5 Titan Blood.
My newbie aspect leveling guide is pinned in #h1-for-new-players btw.
worthy jasper
Does this imply picking one weapon and sticking with it?
Zag fists seems like it works particularly well with Hermes trinket.
And I think Zag sword in particular is just bad because it doesn’t do much for dash strikes.
And from what I’ve seen as well as heard/read, basic combo doesn’t come particularly close to dash strikes in terms of potential.
Every other Zag aspect at least to some extent enhances a thing that either the weapon already does well or enables a specific build.
I think this is why I’m so bad with the sword.
cunning urchin
I think this is why I’m so bad with the sword.
Sword is just bad compared to the other weapons tbh.
But also difficult to learn.
cunning urchin
Does this imply picking one weapon and sticking with it?
No.
worthy jasper
Can Shattered Shackle be good for a full on build, rather than something to tide me over if I can’t find the boon on the move I want?
valid dagger
Can Shattered Shackle be good for a full on build, rather than something to tide...
Yes
There are multiple reliable ways to get attacks and specials so usually it is the latter and if you don’t find anything then you just keep it
worthy jasper
No I mean using Shattered Shackle and never picking a boon for your main attack.
Is that viable?
subtle lily
I think some people did this. Shackle is pretty powerful and I tried to do no boons run but they just keep offering them to me and I couldn't get rid of them
valid dagger
Is that viable?
Well I said yes but why
As long as you can get a stronger attack reliably there is no reason to, it locks you from using other keepsakes and making your build stronger
Here's a shackle run
plain river
No I mean using Shattered Shackle and never picking a boon for your main attack.
I’ve done it at least 24 times 
swift moat
Hey, so it's been months since I haven't played, and I wanted to pick the game back up... can anyone give me advices on an easy to play build ? With the Aspect of Arthur if possible, or any other sword aspect, for that matter.
chrome solar
arthur specifically? artemis attack build. i got some crazy damage pulled off going for one
trim basin
im a fan of aspect of Poseidon with exit wounds from artemis, and a solid cast boon
cunning urchin
Hey, so it's been months since I haven't played, and I wanted to pick the game b...
Excalibur: Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air. Poms on Zeus' Aid and double down on t2 boons from him that buff your Call. Also double down on damage reduction, dodge chance, and max HP.
Works on great on Nemesis and Zag Sword, too.
For Poseidon, you could do:
Crush Shot > Snow Burst (with Privileged Status). Lots of poms on Cast. Picking up Zeus' Aid and Smoldering Air along the way wouldn't hurt either, of course. Get bonus Cast damage and bloodstones from Master Chaos and Wells of Charon.
Phalanx Shot > any core from Lord Zeus (ideally call) > Lightning Phalanx.
swift moat
Thank you guys for the advices !
cunning urchin
m not a guy. 
latent briar
Hey, so it's been months since I haven't played, and I wanted to pick the game b...
I always have a good time using the plume with the arthur sword and getting literally anything after. Dont know if thats viable beyond 16 heat though 
swift moat
m not a guy. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
Thank you people, then ?
cunning urchin
That works.
valid dagger
I always have a good time using the plume with the arthur sword and getting lite...
It just locks you out of using other keepsakes and leaves your build up to rng gods. Besides, Plume doesn't provide much for Arthur
Or most aspects really
echo fjord
Also aspect of hades with aphro attack?
For the charge
plain river
What’s the best companion?
Is generally seen as meg because it’s fast, good damage, good aoe, is used for like every speedrun
loud fossil
is it true for kbm on rail you should turn on aim assist and disable aim at cursor?
cunning urchin
@gusty rapids go for Hunter Dash probably? https://i.imgur.com/iT5Slsz.png
plain river
<@144948371428212737> go for Hunter Dash probably? https://i.imgur.com/iT5Slsz.p...
Athena for bronze skin and parting shot.
cunning urchin
Athena for bronze skin and parting shot.
tight basin
is it true for kbm on rail you should turn on aim assist and disable aim at curs...
Yes
Very unlikely to miss
Manual aiming wastes a lot of bullets and time
plain river
The real secret for kbm rail is plug in a controller
tight basin
Lmao yeah
loud fossil
ty thanks to that my bindings are finished
earnest oak
What are the best builds for beating extrme messure hades?
Im thinking something with Athena dash
cunning urchin
Beowulf, Passion Flare, Snow Burst. With Privileged Status.
plain river
Or hera with crush shot, snow burst and privileged status.
earnest oak
Luci?
twin cloak
The real secret for kbm rail is plug in a controller
Lucifer sucks on controller
mouse tech / steam deck tech 💪
plain river
Lucifer sucks on controller
I would say otherwise
brittle nest
good build for nemesis sword? v low heat
tight basin
I would say otherwise
aiming the special probably sucks
turbid needle
good build for nemesis sword? v low heat
arty attack, aphro special, go for heart rend
arty dash and double edge hammer for maximum dpsing
literally anything works at very low heat tho so dw if you don't get everything you want
cunning urchin
<@144948371428212737> go for Hunter Dash probably? https://i.imgur.com/iT5Slsz.p...
@gusty rapids my covid just made me leave without swapping keepsakes after all. I take no responsibility for this. Not my fault. 
https://i.imgur.com/5G368IX.png
It's probably for the best because I get to have Lady Aphrodite's Eternal Rose more.
3:34 Asphodel exit into 7:09 Elysium exit lol.
Unarmored Brightswords and/or Strongbows every combat chamber. 
gusty rapids
<@144948371428212737> my covid just made me leave without swapping keepsakes aft...
for sure, it was the covid
also rip
elysium moment
cunning urchin
real frigate
its been awhile since ive used the rail gun what are some nice boons/hammer upgrades i should be looking for
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike > Tidal Dash. Also get Static Discharge. Lots of poms on Tidal Dash and a couple on Static Discharge.
Best hammers are Rocket Bomb and Cluster Bomb, ideally in combination.
Also get any good % Special.
real frigate
to further ask what aspect should i use for the rail gun i havent bought any of them yet
tight basin
That stuff above only applies to nonhestia rails
For hestia it's Aphrodite (or any % base that isn't Poseidon or Artemis) attack
The hammers, special, and dash follow the same rule tho
tight basin
to further ask what aspect should i use for the rail gun i havent bought any of ...
I personally like hestia the most but eris can be really fun and strong
real frigate
its funny to me how just a small bit of upgrades to Zag and all 3 sisters are taking Ls left and right they are really easy to kill
spark kite
Any random fun build ideas?
Lucifer Poseidon attack into storm lightning
Also Hera lightning phalanx.
chrome solar
Thanks
worthy jasper
Super Soaker?
spark kite
Yes, Super Soaker ^^
Question: Does critical hit chance stack multiplicatively or additively?
cunning urchin
Additively.
spark kite
So if my rough math isn't completely off it should be theoretically possible to get 100% crit chance... 🤔
cunning urchin
Yes.
spark kite
thx
cunning urchin
Crit builds usually want Hunter's Mark and poms on that.
Good pom scaling and can quickly get to 100% on marked enemies.
spark kite
Yeah I figured, thanks ^^
naive jungle
helloo guys hope ur doing well
can someone help me out with figuring out a build
i feel like anything i try is rly inconsistent
spark kite
can someone help me out with figuring out a build
What weapon and aspect do you like to use?
naive jungle
i use sword aspect of nemesis but i feel like its meh
spark kite
Nemesis is actually one of the speedrun weapons.
The best build afaik is Athena attack, Athena or Artemis dash, Ares special, and the Athena+Ares duo.
Your main damage with Nemesis sword (and really all but the hidden aspect of the sword) is from dash-striking through enemies, and using your special while your dash is on cooldown.
Oh and for consistency: If you want a consistent build, you should always start with the keepsake of the olympian whose boons you want (so in this case Athena).
naive jungle
i do have athena keepsake
i still need artemis
ill make sure to try that
thank you! ^^
cunning urchin
can someone help me out with figuring out a build
opal urchin
that website carries me tbh
cunning urchin
That's a great guide with lots of decent builds.
opal urchin
fr fr
cause i always struggle coming up with new build ideas
honestly it is cool to look at build ideas for a weapon you use a lot and they are like “oh do this build!!” and you’re like “I WAS ALREADY USING THAT BUILD IM SO SMART!!”
naive jungle
x)
plain river
Nemesis is actually one of the speedrun weapons.
The best build afaik is Athena...
It’s like 39th lol
Nemesis the best sword for speedrunning though
plain river
Good question
opal urchin
wait
cunning urchin
You sound confused.
plain river
Nem is 36th pos is 40th
That’s pretty close
opal urchin
WOAH BUSTER
cunning urchin
Poseidon more comfy than Nemesis for speedruns.
One of them relies on one specific hammer.
plain river
Castpect supremacy
cunning urchin
The other is just comfy Cast build.
plain river
One of them relies on one specific hammer.
So is that not less of an issue in the modded category
cunning urchin
Yeah, but you still have to play sword while Poseidon doesn't need to.
plain river
lucid oar
Modded Nem is kinda comfy
thorny cobalt
What is everyone’s favorite builds? Mine is hera bow with festive fog cast 
thorny cobalt
That is hands down my favorite build too
echo fjord
Can I get a black out build?
proven osprey
Jesus Christ Guan Yu
cunning urchin
Can I get a black out build?
Talos. Drunken Strike, Trippy Shot, Black Out. With Heartbreak Flourish or Passion Dash for Low Tolerance.
echo fjord
Talos. Drunken Strike, Trippy Shot, Black Out. With Heartbreak Flourish or Passi...
Thx
I wanted to legendary/duo dig with Dionysus
velvet remnant
CURRENT BUILD
Bow(Chiron), Right before Meg
Aphrodite Primary, Flurry Shot
Dionysius Secondary
Being offered Low Tolerance AND Heroic Dionysius Primary, which take
valid dagger
Low Tolerance
You dont want 2 hangover sources because they overlap
Your Special is stronger
velvet remnant
Styx with 2 incredible boons
Parting shot(Duo, Weak on Attack is Epic), Sweet Surrender(Epic) or Cold Embrace(Duo, Cast is Epic)
literally right before hades
valid dagger
Assuming same run, take Sweet Surrender
summer mesa
Lucifer's greater inferno upgrade doesn't affect the bomb explosion damage right? Just the damage aura?
velvet remnant
Assuming same run, take Sweet Surrender
it is
valid dagger
The other two arent that good they dont do much here
Sweet surrender affects all damage
Will help your hangover and other stuff
plain river
Lucifer's greater inferno upgrade doesn't affect the bomb explosion damage right...
👍
Otherwise it would be broken powerful
fossil cove
Hello, I'm back on the game after a 1year break and even with my 140h, I can't remember my builds 😦 I'm so upset I do not remember at all what was the best builds for each weapon.
Someone have a link or a Google Doc to help me with that please?
fossil cove
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
Thanks, is that good?
plain river
I wouldn’t’ve sent it if it wasn’t
fossil cove
I wouldn’t’ve sent it if it wasn’t <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Thank you !
fallen ore
I literally just started a Guan Yu run rn and I got my first hammer, what should I pick charged skewer or massive spin?
cunning urchin
Charged Skewer.
I wrote a guide for Guan Yu here if you're interested. #h1-discussion message
fallen ore
I'll give it a read
This is my 2nd time ever doing a guan yu run, and it's so stressful bruh 💀
plain river
I literally just started a Guan Yu run rn and I got my first hammer, what should...
Charged skewer
Just stay away from enemies and special and you’ll win
plain river
Charged skewer is the best hammer for gy
fallen ore
I remember I got quick spin and the unique hammer buff for guan yu
Forgot the name of it but the one where the spin projectiles stay out for much longer
cunning urchin
Winged Serpent.
plain river
I would show my first build with guan yu but I lack image perms <:bouldy:5233291...
Send the image link
Like so
real frigate
Whats a good build for sword I know on the hammers I should be looking for double edge for the dash strike
tight basin
which sword
because nemesis and poseidon have some very different options
and base zag sword has like 1 other one
all can do ME tho
real frigate
I'm not sure but I'm going for Zag as my titan blood is scarce and I'm trying to save as much resources until the pact of punishment unlock to get more
tight basin
merciful end or flat damage soup works
ares atk, athena special, get duo, divine dash, impending doom
flat damage soup would be something like lightning strike, aphrodite special, dio/zeus call, but you'd have to rely on getting hyper sprint + rush delivery from hermes
echo fjord
How should I go about the 32 pact clear?
plain river
How should I go about the 32 pact clear?
Are you asking pact wise or build wise?
echo fjord
Are you asking pact wise or build wise?
pact, build is ok as well
plain river
what’s your current heat pact look like?
echo fjord
what's the best heat pact spread?
I don't feel good if I don't do extreme measures
so I always take it
plain river
Lc4 sd being a common way to gain heat because it’s better then other pact options
plain river
Should probably cut it back to em3 imo
echo fjord
really? I've been taking em4 this whole time
I've gotten "ok" at fighting em4 Hades
dds?
what's that?
oh, sometimes
usually I have 2 or 1 left over
plain river
Like for example this is my current 32 heat pact (although I’d switch hs for something else probably)
echo fjord
usually I have 2 or 1 left over
In fact I usually don't die once before dad
plain river
I said I’d switch it for something else
That was my most recent image I could find
UC is kind of annoying
cunning urchin
cunning urchin
That's against channel rules there.
You don't need to like the devs' rules to respect them in their server.
forest marsh
It's better if you just upload it somewhere else (like your own private server or an image hosting site) rather than abusing the image posting privileges in #h1-victory-boasting
turbid needle
So hades keeps talkig about how i am using olympian powers to help me beat him, and i keep trying to get to him without boons. I have the key upgrade to get another fate change thing and i have in the mirror 5 of them unlocked. Is this the best way to go about it because i can't get past the tarturus without being forced to pick one up?
errant narwhal
purging them at the end
turbid needle
Does that count? Like will it change the dialog since i was using them to get to him, but did not fight him with any?
Or is it all the same?
errant narwhal
if you dont have any boons while you get to him, youll get the dialogue iirc
turbid needle
Oh ok, thank you
plain river
if you dont have any boons while you get to him, youll get the dialogue iirc
0 purgable boons*
plain river
Or is it all the same?
As long as you have 0 purgable boons at hades you’re set
turbid needle
As long as you have 0 purgable boons at hades you’re set
Ok, so if i have a chaos boon ut doesn't count it? And thank you
fallen ore
Does that count? Like will it change the dialog since i was using them to get to...
It does, but it won’t feel as good as doing a legit boon less run of course
Boonless and no mirror of night buffs run
turbid needle
Ok, thank you for the clarification
cunning urchin
Boonless and no mirror of night buffs run <:bouldy:523329116934635534> <:bouldy:...
Boonless mirrorless doesn't feel good, you're just glad it's finally over.
amber bobcat
Gimme a gd Arthur build
Acc i just want to get the prophecy done aha
Should I go for heart rend or smh
plain river
Aphro attack
Double edge
Chaos additive on attack
Zeus call for smair
Whatever else
amber bobcat
Why aphro tho
ashen shoal
is blizzard shot bad or do I just need to figure out how to use it
coolsauce gtk. I picked it up for the fated list of minor prophecies, hated it, and then it just refused to show up in pools of purging
plain river
is blizzard shot bad or do I just need to figure out how to use it
I’ve had success with it on talos but it’s not really something I think most weapons can use effectively
ashen shoal
idr what weapon I used it on,,, Achilles mby, but id have to load up Hades to be sure
echo fjord
for beowulf/mirage shot, god's pride or legacy?
lucid oar
Legacy
echo fjord
I's shackle affected by hermes & chaos?
cunning urchin
No.
echo fjord
nice
cunning urchin
Only by boons that fill that respective core slot.
echo fjord
wait so I can use pressure points?
cunning urchin
Yes.
echo fjord
will Hades still be impressed by boonless?
cunning urchin
No. Pressure Points is purgeable, so you can't have that if you want the dialogue and run clear message.
echo fjord
so no hermes?
cunning urchin
Correct.
echo fjord
Impress your father%
real frigate
I'm trying to do a chiron bow run and my boons are not so lucky but I have to ask is ares special even good on Chiron aspect?
plain river
I'm trying to do a chiron bow run and my boons are not so lucky but I have to as...
no
notable specials for chiron are artemis and dionysus
real frigate
Artemis didn't give me her special so I took the attack and Dionysus hasn't shown up yet
But we'll see
plain river
in either case, artemis or dionysus on special, you'd preferably force in aphrodite on attack
since for Artemis she gives heart rend and for Dionysus she gives Privileged Status and Low Tolerance
real frigate
No luck of the boons so time to reset lol
mortal igloo
I'm trying to do a chiron bow run and my boons are not so lucky but I have to as...
a good chiron build is aphrodite attack, dionysus special, artemis cast, ares revenge and athena and posidion are both good on dash and call
valid dagger
You don’t need all that, the core of the build is Aphro Attack + Dio Special and later on Low Tolerance. The rest is just additional stuff and it’ll vary from run to run
tight basin
a good chiron build is aphrodite attack, dionysus special, artemis cast, ares re...
i do love myself a 6 god pool
plain river
All you really need for chiron is
Aphro strike
Artemis or Dionysus on special
Then look for concentrated > relentless volley
real frigate
Yeah those are my goto hammers for bow in general
Just better dps with the special
Except I didn't get that this run I felt the best one to take in my case was power shot
turbid needle
I guess this is a build question but I'm new to the game and clueless so...
How do yall normally decide what to grab from eurydice? I'm having trouble figuring out what to prioritise
lucid oar
i take nectar if i havent seen hermes yet, or if i want a duo boon soon
i take ambrosia if ive already seen hermes or if i dont need good hermes or a duo and my best boon scales best with rarityu
otherwise i take poms
turbid needle
That's fair, I find by the time i find eurydice i already have way too many boons for ambrosia to hopefully boost the ones i want it to
i feel like i sleep on hermes, since his boons are...seperate (?) to the main gods yeah
and they're more general
huh...
so i should always go for hermes rooms if they show up?
well i mean
over other gods, obviously the whole thing is a "go for what you need" kinda thing
honestly i have no idea what kinda rooms to prioritise
hammer > story > build boons > hermes > ?
for sure
I haven't played long enough to really know how to build still, i tend to just like...google what gods compliment eachother and feel it out
for slow weapons i really like pumping damage, and fast weapons i like extra damage sources (support fire, hangover, doom, lightning)
oh yeah, i saw this guide but it seemed a little...advanced for me
for sure, hell just knowing a vague idea of what i should be building is cool
also seems like aphrodite and artemis are kinda good with everyone
are chaos rooms worth going for? I've kinda avoided them since I started since the HP cost + potentially being stuck with a debilitating debuff for 4 rooms is kinda...daunting
oh yeah, like
every stage is a set number of stages/encounters, yeah? so it'd probably be pretty easy to figure out
lmao, valid
sometimes these games force you to get greedy
gusty rapids
meg is 14 but rest are correct
turbid needle
i'm mad meg isnt chamber 12 so it's easier to commit to muscle memory
lucid oar
for slow weapons i really like pumping damage, and fast weapons i like extra dam...
That’s a good starting point
turbid needle
Tbf I have to stop myself taking dionysus every time because I love him smh
turbid needle
I like Hangover a lot tbh
ornate prawn
bit of a specific boss mechanic question:
in EM3, if Theseus and Asterius would know their Delta Strike move in normal mode, and if Theseus has been knocked off his chariot while Asterius is alive, can they do Delta Strike?
amber bobcat
What weapon do y'all run the beam casts with
cunning urchin
What weapon do y'all run the beam casts with
Achilles is best for Cast builds like that.
real frigate
I think beowul is a good second with its cast build too
Posideon cast and Artemis mirage shot
amber bobcat
Achilles is best for Cast builds like that.
Alr alr
untold knot
So i have a question. If i was using for ex. Demeters keepsake after the fact it gave me 1 guaranteed boon of hers, does the "20% rare or better" effect on the keepsake always count towards Demeters boons or is it just for the first guaranteed one?
plain river
So i have a question. If i was using for ex. Demeters keepsake after the fact it...
counts for all dem boons picked up while it's equipped
untold knot
counts for all dem boons picked up while it's equipped
Ok thanks!
fallen ore
Is the aspect of Gilgamesh good? Or fun at least? Because I want to get either it or the aspect of Lucifer as my next aspect unlock
cunning urchin
It's often considered the worst aspect or at least a candidate for worst aspect.
Can be fun but can also be frustrating.
It's among the least popular probably.
But there's also players whose favorite aspect is Gilgamesh.
plain river
Is the aspect of Gilgamesh good? Or fun at least? Because I want to get either i...
Good? It’s kind of meh
Fun? That’s based on you
hexed summit
Speaking of it, Gilgamesh is a testament to how Merciful end will literally make anything work.
fallen ore
Icic
Ig I’ll go with aspect of Lucifer next just to be safe
Or idk maybe upgrade Beowulf
hexed summit
I'd say unlock all hidden aspects for the prophecies. If you don't make the special attack based builds for Lucifer or Gligamesh, just put 3 blood into each
The only hidden aspect that absolutely needs to be maxed is Guan Yu. Low level Guan Yu doesn't work at all
plain river
Eh
plain river
Guan-yu doesn’t need to be maxxed
plain river
Guan-yu fun because it’s not too rng reliant
Just need 1 hammer and good special additive
cobalt wadi
It's often considered the worst aspect or at least a candidate for worst aspect....
wait how come? i get that demeter is best for speedruns but i find gilgamesh fine
plain river
wait how come? i get that demeter is best for speedruns but i find gilgamesh fin...
Unneccesary nerf to your own defense while not providing enough offense to make up for it
3 shorter dashes with a longer cooldown in between with slower dstrikes is ew and isn’t good enough dps
maim is a direct nerf to your ability to take hits while not providing the damage it needs to either
Hope that makes sense
cunning urchin
If a bard gives your party +25% dmg but gives the enemy +50% dmg, you kick the bard from your party.
plain river
👆
hexed summit
Frankly the Gilga dash special hitbox is weird and I can't use it properly anyways
I only have 3 blood into it and I use Gilga as if the dash special doesn't exist
plain river
Just like dash striking but it’s specialling
hexed summit
The major problem I see with Gilga is that the auto attacks are slow like swords and shorter, so staying in auto attacks is dangerous, unlike other fists;
The dash strike is super weak, unlike swords. So dash striking a lot is a no go either, unless combo'd with Merciful End;
When you are forced to stay in melee for extra time there's no extra defense bonuses, unlike Arthur sword.
final steeple
best Rama and guan yu build?
near ferry
regarding this hammer upgrade, if my Zeus blitz disk hits rapidly does that means i always get the extra damage%?
also does boons given in 2 gods rooms give duo boons?
coz i havent found any duos in those rooms and was wondering
lucid oar
regarding this hammer upgrade, if my Zeus blitz disk hits rapidly does that mean...
No, you get the buff after you catch the special so it’s kinda bad
lucid oar
also does boons given in 2 gods rooms give duo boons?
They don’t unfortunately
hexed summit
best Rama and guan yu build?
Rama's Attack build would kinda rely on double/triple shot hammer upgrades, so best to start with a status based keepsake (Zeus, Dio, Ares) for your special.
Zeus is the most common because Rama's Zeus special easily clears Tartarus and almost all percentage based attack gods (Aphrodite, Poseidon, Demeter, Artemis) have great duo boons with Zeus.
Or you can get Aphrodite on attack first, and both Dio and Zeus would be good on special.
final steeple
k
plain river
best Rama and guan yu build?
Varatha is the spear as a whole, you’d want to specify an aspect
final steeple
i meant guan yu
plain river
Lots of special +% additive and charged skewer
final steeple
is this purely for rama or both?
glacial grail
What is y'all's favorite setup for a cast run with the Poseidon aspect sword? I've tried a run with a Artemis cast, but I see people in general prefer a Zeus cast?
plain river
is this purely for rama or both?
Guan-yu focuses on special
plain river
What is y'all's favorite setup for a cast run with the Poseidon aspect sword? I'...
Phalanx Shot -> lightning phalanx
Or crush shot
Arte cast is bad because it has low base damage and also abyssmal crit chance
Zeus cast clears out tartarus but struggles after it
proper furnace
Phalanx Shot -> lightning phalanx
Or crush shot
whats divine phalanx ;
plain river
Did I get the name wrong
proper furnace
phalanx shot
plain river
how the heck did I mess that up
thorn tendon
trippy phalanx
glacial grail
Arte cast is bad because it has low base damage and also abyssmal crit chance
Ze...
Yeah I agree with this, I just tried Zeus and it was OK but no huge damage output and I couldnt get past redacted
Trying out lightning phalanx rn
arctic dirge
Anyone got any builds for the aspect of Gilgamesh? I’m used to the “magnetic” one and this one feels weird
proper furnace
dash only with splash dash also works
tepid lichen
best build for arthur?
thorn tendon
aphro attack
final steeple
best build for guan yu?
cunning urchin
best build for guan yu?
Guan Yu guide: #h1-discussion message
final steeple
a thanks
arctic dirge
Best boon combos for Gilgamesh fist?
hexed summit
Best boon combos for Gilgamesh fist?
... Merciful End? but it frankly works with all melee weapons
misty scaffold
I like to use zeus and Artemis for fists especially. Since they both give me ranged options.
Bonus if you get ares too for the added Doom status. Helped me a lot with Artemis' crits
fossil crescent
if i get another dadelaus hammer can i keep quiting and reentering until i get the upgrade which throws 5 bombs at once ?
can i do this
cause i got the triple bomb one already
and it would be pretty darn cool to fill the map with explosives
fossil crescent
how so
they aren't ?
doesnt it seem like a good idea to throw 15 bombs tho ?
so they just dont synergyse like that
oh
sadge
it would have been so fun
valid dagger
Even if you quit out at that point your seed is already set so you cant alter it anymore
gloomy canyon
i never payed that much attention but does fiery presence always apply to armored enemies until the armor breaks, or does damaging their armor deactivate your FP?
proper furnace
damaging the armor deactivates it
cunning urchin
Only the very first hit counts.
hexed summit
What is the meta for Arthur build in general, stacking damage reductions?
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike > Zeus'Aid > Smoldering Air.
plain river
I have never seen smoldering air work
It’s uber strong
abstract sundial
No shot
plain river
Yes shot
abstract sundial
although with athena maybe you can get infinite invincibilty
abstract sundial
Yeah but... it doesn't even regenerate that quickly
plain river
Those 2 are the best dps calls in the game
plain river
5 seconds...?
Normally sooner if you’re actually taking actions in combat
abstract sundial
then athena call would defintely go crazy
plain river
1% every .2 seconds equals out to 25% by 5 seconds
zeus call and dionysus call both go crazy thanks to damagep
abstract sundial
how can dio call do much, hangover is maxed out at like 5
cunning urchin
Hangover gud.
abstract sundial
ehhhh
plain river
plain river
too much rng
It’s literally the least rng in the game
cunning urchin
There's no RNG lol.
plain river
All you need is poms
abstract sundial
Oh level 9
plain river
Hangover scales linearly and beautifully with poms
cunning urchin
Even without poms, Dionysus' Aid on its own is best for DPS. The other calls need to catch up in some way or another.
abstract sundial
I always think of aids as a part where I can calm down and stop constantly freaking out for half a second so I hate zeus and dio considering you have to keep on dying
I always activate themm and assume I will be safe just to die
cunning urchin
All calls give i-frames on activation.
abstract sundial
<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I meant dodging
not dying
dodging
Although both work
plain river
Still
abstract sundial
All calls give i-frames on activation.
Most give it for at least a bit longer
poseidon my beloved, giving sooo much invincibilty
even artemis gives a good amount
cunning urchin
Hmmm no, it's only 3 out of 9. That's not most.
abstract sundial
Well I mostly use those so I think of them as most
cunning urchin
Artemis' Aid gives the same amount of i-frames as other calls.
abstract sundial
and I mean... aphro does friend them giving you a bit of time
plain river
It’s just you can use them 25% sooner
abstract sundial
Artemis' Aid gives the same amount of i-frames as other calls. <:tizomg:45691342...
idk I just feel like zeus and dio make me die more often than not
cunning urchin
plain river
skill issue
abstract sundial
god damn it I had that coming didn't i
cunning urchin
Maybe your feeling just simply mislead you.
abstract sundial
And zeus and dio cause a lot of visual noise
plain river
And zeus and dio cause a lot of visual noise
Fair
cunning urchin
@plain river I take it your run ended preemptively?
plain river
<@733775512991694900> I take it your run ended preemptively?
It ended with hades at 30% max hp in phase 2
plain river
<@733775512991694900> I take it your run ended preemptively?
Pictured here: @plain river mere milliseconds away from death https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1057188144262430810/IMG_2708.jpg
cunning urchin
Pictured here: <@733775512991694900> mere milliseconds away from death https://...
Which pixel is you?
plain river
The blue
cunning urchin
Dark Foresight gaming.
plain river
418 health?
Erebus gates moment
plain river
I’ve been taking every last one I can find
abstract sundial
and I have to painfully peel it while crying
plain river
The best part of zeus is how hard it is to lose an erebus gate with it
abstract sundial
that's... true
plush pollen
wait I keep on encountering chaos with my shield but still no dialogue
I did the 5 titan blood on shield aspect but still nothing
wait does encountering chaos, die and reset make it faster ?
plain river
wait does encountering chaos, die and reset make it faster ?
It’s rng dialogue, but importantly, do you have guan-yu revealed?
weak hedge
So, I've been running Aspect of Poseidon Sword, focusing on Artemis for Exit Wounds, her Cast, and her Legendary. Is that good, or should I be considering other Gods?
plain river
So, I've been running Aspect of Poseidon Sword, focusing on Artemis for Exit Wou...
Considering other gods
plain river
Which ones?
More like phalanx shot -> a zeus core that isn’t thunder dash -> lightning phalanx
The thing about exit wounds is it isn’t really that good of damage and it should really only every matter when fighting bosses because your casts should be one shotting regular enemies
weak hedge
I hadn't considered using Athena cast! I'll give that a shot!
plain river
Artemis cast is another one I would avoid due to it’s low base damage compared to other casts and abyssmal crit chance
soft cargo
can you have more than one duo at a time?
plain river
can you have more than one duo at a time?
Yes
cobalt wadi
ive seen 5 i think
plain river
I’ve gotten like 4 or 5 in the same run a few times iirc
plush pollen
It’s rng dialogue, but importantly, do you have guan-yu revealed?
Yea I do have it revealed do I have to buy it ?
plain river
Yea I do have it revealed do I have to buy it ?
Nope it just has to be revealed
plush pollen
Ahhh
So ima just keep grinding chaos gates
I’ve played normally but it never gives me the dialogue
So ima reset till I get it 💀
plain river
Have fun with rng dialogue
cobalt wadi
dialogue rng is so annoying
plain river
It adds a nice touch to the game
plush pollen
I was lucky for rama and guan yu
misty scaffold
Been spamming bow for the hidden aspect and Artemis' keepsake but no luck so far to trigger it.
valid dagger
Been spamming bow for the hidden aspect and Artemis' keepsake but no luck so far...
You don’t need to have bow equipped for that. Have you double checked the prereqs in #h1-story-discussion pins
plush pollen
Been spamming bow for the hidden aspect and Artemis' keepsake but no luck so far...
Relatable
misty scaffold
Yes. Spent 5 blood and both unequipped and equipped it on different runs.
Artemis being hard to get i feel. Lol
plush pollen
Did u reveal guan yu yet ?
plush pollen
Beowulf is being hard
misty scaffold
I thought its rng so I'm just spamming her keepsake now hoping she'll finally cave and give it to me
plush pollen
Does cosmic egg make him appear more often
misty scaffold
Don't think so? Cosmic egg sounds like it just eliminates the need to pay with blood to enter.
cobalt wadi
yea also increases chance of boons being rare or better
cunning urchin
You think its a bug?
Nah, pretty common to take awhile. You can ask for help in #h1-tech-support if you believe your game is bugged, though.
misty scaffold
Thanks! Yeah i dont believe it's a bug so just gotta spam her until she gives it.
I'll give it 5 more runs then see how.
cunning urchin
Might as well use the time to collect more bounties or practice speedruns or something.
misty scaffold
Well i have been practicing my music skills. 
Jokes. Been trying to finish my runs with the different hidden aspects to fulfill the prophecies
plush pollen
Is there some sort of dash strike Achilles spear build I can check out, that is if anyone could give some recommendations
brittle nest
well you prob want serrated point
silk lichen
The zeus+dionysus cast boon is busted man
That deals crazy amounts of damage
especially when u get the boon that slows enemy down when inside the fog
brittle nest
Flurry jab is actually more DPS and is safer
oh really? cool
fossil crescent
can i get rocket with cluster or triple shells ?
lucid oar
Yes to both
fossil crescent
pog
plain river
can i get rocket with cluster or triple shells ?
Oh FYI If you have rocket bomb your special doesn’t suffer from the damage penalty of cluster bomb
analog rock
Does anyone know what the optimal DPS patterns for shield and spear are?
I'm struggling hardcore doing like, any damage with the shield
tight basin
For shield it's like smack them and then bull rush into them and repeat
Ideally you get the charged shot hammer, which deals a ton of damage so you just spam that
Zeus shield is a bit different and idk how to explain it lmao
Reading down from here will help a lot for Zeus shield, baj is a god lmao
For spear, I think it's like 2 jabs and then 2 dash strikes? I don't really use spear but if you're using Achilles you should raging rush first and then deal damage
You want flurry jab so you can just hold down atk and spam
lucid oar
I always though zag spear without cshot is dash strike standing strike repeat
tight basin
idk i smack and bullrush when i dont have cshot
analog rock
Bruh i got bull rush and charged shot
The damage is absurd
I also got heartbreak strike, unfortunately only rare and i've not been able to pom it past lvl 4
But still my charge does like 570 damage without cast or anything atm xD
analog rock
BRUH how did i not know the shield blocks damage while charging bull rush before
This build is absurd
Got bull rush to do over 900 damage with all the effects combined in the hades fight
And this is base shield, no aspects
turbid needle
When using underworld customs, will I actually need to take dice rolls (we're not doing RI) on the purging pools sometimes or should I always save those for god boons
thorn tendon
if anything you save them for pools
cunning urchin
I always though zag spear without cshot is dash strike standing strike repeat
Zag Spear without Charged Shot?
lucid oar
oops
turbid needle
Are aspects of Hades, Chiron, and Poseidon really not that good?
They seem like they have use cases unlike Talos
Hades gives you a lot of range on your spin attack making it more viable to actually charge (esp. if you quick spin) and the damage taken buff on the enemies is quite nice for bosses. Posiedon lets you spam the heck out of casts. Chiron I imagine is pretty nice with dio special, but I guess is outshined by rama a bit there
tight basin
hades doesnt get flurry jab so it's mid
turbid needle
Oh :( i didn't know that about flurry jab
tight basin
flurry jab means no spin and hades spear is all about spin lol
turbid needle
That's... a good point, yeah
tight basin
poseidon is neat for like lightning phalanx or crush shot or something
but like
at that point play achilles
turbid needle
Right, because of the buffed cast
turbid needle
Still, I wonder if you can compensate for the cast buff you get on achilles with how fast you can beat them out with pos
tight basin
chiron is actually pretty good for casual play, it just falls off in speedrunning and at high heat (like 45+ lmao)
turbid needle
Prob not worth the defensive loss though
turbid needle
chiron is actually pretty good for casual play, it just falls off in speedrunnin...
Oh, good to know! Yeah, it seemed alright
tight basin
Still, I wonder if you can compensate for the cast buff you get on achilles with...
i'm pretty sure pos sword is not faster than achilles at all lmao
turbid needle
The only thing is just that Rama's "Damage network" might outshine it (from my subjective perspective) when used well. Then Hera is just a different beast for a different playstyle
tight basin
pos sword prob has a good time not because of the cast gimmick, but because ME exists
achilles just has more damage and more movement overall
turbid needle
But that said, I'm just now unlocking those aspects for the sake of the steam achievement, which is why I'm bringing this up. Of all of them, Chiron I might actually level to max just for casual fun
Like Rama but not having to use my brain as hard or think about positioning and kiting the enemies into the damage network and shot
tight basin
chiron does need levels tho
turbid needle
In that case, I'll make sure it's maxed before I use it. I've already maxed all the "good" aspects at this point (Zeus, Beowulf, Demeter, Achilles, Guan-Yu, Eris, Hestia, Hera, Arthur, Nemesis)
tight basin
i'd say lvl 3 is decent enough if you want to play it asap, 4 is not bad as well
but then you'd be forced into using a hangover build
because heart rend would suck with less arrows
turbid needle
ye I'll just do level 5 when I run with it, I'm not short on Titan blood at all
tight basin
fair enough
turbid needle
Heart rend setup is just Aphro attack + Arte special?
tight basin
which steam achievements are you missing btw
tight basin
Heart rend setup is just Aphro attack + Arte special?
yeah
hangover is aphro atk + dio special
get low tolerance
turbid needle
That's "all weapons unlocked" (will have that in 5 minutes), all keepsakes, 16 heat, and winning with all the different heats
is it winning or just running actually
let me check
tight basin
doesnt have to be at the same time btw
turbid needle
Yeah I may do one at a time and do some darkness runs
tight basin
oh you're following the heat guide aren't you
turbid needle
oh you're following the heat guide aren't you
sure am, with taking FO and HS a little earlier sometimes but that's the only deviation
tight basin
ngl i'd just stray from it if you want to get the achievements done
HL1 and LC1 are easily manageable
JS alone is fine, same with CP
DC too
and AP
ngl taking them 1 by 1 will be fine lmao
turbid needle
ngl i'd just stray from it if you want to get the achievements done
Yeah, I think what I'll do is a series of darkness farming runs with only one heat enabled each time, I need darkness anyway (I'm maxed mirror but only at 8.4k out of the 25k I need for my sexy chaos victory screen)
turbid needle
ngl taking them 1 by 1 will be fine lmao
yeah, only one im slightly scared for is RI, I hate not having rolls
means I'm basically so much more at the mercy of RNG
tight basin
get around it by playing hestia, where you only need like 3 boons to win
attack, special, and tdash
you already beat the game at least once without rerolls right
cunning urchin
Are aspects of Hades, Chiron, and Poseidon really not that good?
Poseidon and Chiron are both great. Hades isn't bad, but it's not amazing, either.
tight basin
a lot of the "bad aspects" tend to be overshadowed by others
turbid needle
tight basin
lmao nice
cunning urchin
Ironically, some of the "bad" aspects now were the good aspects in early access before the others got buffed near the end.
turbid needle
Ironically, some of the "bad" aspects now were the good aspects in early access ...
Makes sense, devs do this to stop the meta from getting stale, but at some point I guess you stop patching the game
It doesn't always work though. I remember hearing they nerfed Merciful End so that divine dash couldn't be taken as a prereq but
People still target ME hard xD
tight basin
it's just good lmao
also chaos shield used to be good
i think pony made a mod that reverted the changes? idk if it's actually good tho lmao
cunning urchin
It doesn't always work though. I remember hearing they nerfed Merciful End so th...
The nerf did what it was supposed to do.
turbid needle
I can't wait until I get 49/49, I'll start modding the game at that point! I'm very interested in OlympusExtra, which adds Apollo and Hestia
tight basin
speedrunning mod kinda good
turbid needle
Time to take some very inconvenient heats now, but only one at a time xD
tight basin
Time to take some very inconvenient heats now, but only one at a time xD
you can take HL and UC at the same time imo
just dont use ME
turbid needle
speedrunning mod kinda good
Hmmmst... is that the one that routes you, the one that tells you what's actually in the next room, or a different one?
tight basin
removes sucky rng
turbid needle
bc I know routing is this complicated pre-generation process
tight basin
has nothing to do with routing
turbid needle
removes sucky rng
pls elaborate a little
cunning urchin
They didn't want to make Merciful End weaker, just harder to get. You play a god after all, so getting those "broken" runs sometimes is part of it. And removing Divine Dash as prerequisite helped the other dashes a lot.
tight basin
4 boon choices at the start so you dont get screwed
fountain chambers are marked
first hammer you pick up is always what you want
turbid needle
no bull, barge, or tony miniboss
Also who is Tony? I HATE HATE bull miniboss, especially with EM3, but barge I think I dont hate as much as other people
tight basin
Also who is Tony? I HATE HATE bull miniboss, especially with EM3, but barge I th...
barge isn't hard, it's just a time loss
like
stepping onto the barge and having the first enemy spawn in, in that time you can already beat any of the other minibosses
and barge has waves
turbid needle
Yeah, just using battie lol
tight basin
exactly
turbid needle
Fair fair
cunning urchin
For the speedrun modpack, you can remove those minibosses etc. You can select presets for certain ruleset or you can customize which mods are active.
tight basin
so it's really convenient
cunning urchin
Yeah.
cunning urchin
Yes.
turbid needle
Oh that's really nice, in that case I may just customize it. Definitely looking forward to using that
stiff stone
Hoooo man https://imgur.com/a/38dboyJ
tight basin
what aspect is this lmao
stiff stone
Oh im going for chiron with poseidon on special
tight basin
oh bruh lmao
stiff stone
yea... lol
tight basin
sea storm i guess so you get 40 more damage per volley because internal cooldowns lol
stiff stone
Oh yea I got it, kinda sucks there's a cd on it
It's just that I don't see triple duo too often
tight basin
true
stiff stone
pretty sure the nectar had smth to do with it
whenever I get a Poseidon-focused run going, the game goes on easy mode
idk if anyone else feels the same
cunning urchin
Well, you can can always increase the heat if it's too easy.
stiff stone
ofc, but that's not what I mean
cunning urchin
I think Tidal Dash is optimal for DPS on a majority of aspects, so yeah.
tight basin
And like every other miniboss is slower
twin cloak
mm barge is still slower than mm witches and pcouple
ashen shoal
misty scaffold
So far i don't feel any of the boons are underpowered. Depending on the weapon used some can be OP but none are useless
Meh better than naked skin
Except if this comment is in the #h1-story-discussion then yes bronze skin is useless. Lolololol
cunning urchin
Hmmm no. Different League is better.
It's higher damage reduction, and the vast majority of damage comes from within Different League range anyway.
You don't pom either anyway.
And since you probably have Weak, Different League is gonna be more effective.
The more damage reduction and dodge chance you already, the more eHP you get from any additional damage reduction and dodge chance.
misty scaffold
I rarely pom due to trying to see how many boons i can get before i reach the end
dusty tendon
Started playing this game post Hades II announcement
Got some builds I think are pretty good though I'm still learning which boons works with what weapons and what aspects to take with what hammers
So far
The rail (eris), shield (chaos) and spear(Achilles) are crazy when I use them
valid dagger
Chaos is alright
dusty tendon
Havent unlocked any of the last aspects actually so idk how good they can actually get
valid dagger
Chaos is pretty weak, check out Zeus shield, it is ahead of Chaos by miles
dusty tendon
Wait how much of a game changer is the blitz disc then
Well maybe I should just try it out myself tomorrow lol
plain river
Wait how much of a game changer is the blitz disc then
It’s autonomous damage compared to the negligibilty of chaos shields effect
Best shield for the highest of heats
dusty tendon
Ohhh so basically like it said
Blitz
Hence an op shield melee build
Especially if you get those backstab damage
cunning urchin
Zag Shield, Zeus, and the hidden shield aspect are all top tier, in fact.
dusty tendon
This game is way too fun
Been playing for like 46 runs and still a lot of builds I haven't tried
Eris Rail is a crime against humanity tho
That much power cannot be contained
I accidently got to it too until my friend said it was an established build
dusty tendon
I liked the idea of using the special as a zoner ability and to add damage percentage. Plus the lightning strike and bam. Accidently found the build that
dusty tendon
?
Uh, eris Zeus build
With like Artemis crits and Poseidon dash with knock out boons on top
Depends on the hammer and if you get that one that makes your special into a rocket I've been using it as like a point blank shotgun to still be within blast radius and get the boost
And if I'm lucky with cluster bombs
Eris aspect + cluster bombs + rocket = explosive death incarnate
plain river
Yup
dusty tendon
plain river
Clockets
dusty tendon
That was the best hackz build i found
And I love it because it fits my really dumb play style of dodge tank
plain river
Rocket bomb doesn’t actually get the penalty from cluster bomb
plain river
It just isn’t affected
tight basin
Wait how much of a game changer is the blitz disc then
at max level, point blank chaos special is 75
the blitz disc hits for 30 continuously and you can smack them at the same time
also the windup for chaos special takes a while, with blitz disc there is no wind up it's just thrown
tight basin
That's insane
the game has many bugs that you will never notice unless you actually looked at the numbers lmao
dusty tendon
I'll go with Zeus and see then
Also lmao nice
Idk regardless it's helping me keep my mind occupied
tight basin
there's a few bugs that you will notice tho, like the cast one on beo and hera
dusty tendon
I regret not playing it till now I'm gonna be honest
tight basin
you still have plenty of time to beat the game before hades 2 comes out lol
cunning urchin
It just isn’t affected
That's like the same thing.
dusty tendon
you still have plenty of time to beat the game before hades 2 comes out lol
Well I just got Persephone lol
I mean she's back
plain river
That's like the same thing. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
Negate felt like the wrong word at the time but now that I think about it, it is
dusty tendon
Idk what else happens after that tho
plain river
Idk what else happens after that tho
You keep escaping as an employee of Dad
tight basin
Idk what else happens after that tho
finish other story lines