h1-discussion

[high island]

Aspect of Chaos baits you into doing less damage by using the Special.

[warm nimbus]

😔

chaos was the first aspect i unlocked actually

i was severely disappointed

[high island]

5x the shields for 5x the emotional damage to yourself when accidentally pressing the button.

[warm nimbus]

isnt meta for chaos just to play it like worse zag shield anyway?

[twin thistle]

if you get cshot

[high island]

The meta is to not play Chaos Aspect.

[warm nimbus]

poor chaos

best character, worst aspect

[twin thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/917902194068566086/Hades_12_7_2021_2_14_07_PM.png just get all the zeus boons

and use hacks

[warm nimbus]

(i suppose zag sword and spear are also pretty abysmal)

[high island]

Explosive Return is alright, too.

[rustic vale]

Aspect of chaos tricks you away from the best aspect

Zeus

[high island]

Zeus Aspect isn't the best shield until you run extremely high heats that severely restrict Beowulf's potential.

[twin thistle]

cast builds and ap/ri

[high island]

But even severely restricted Beowulf is still very strong.

Poor Beowulf drops from SS to S, pretty much.

[raw herald]

Zag shield better smh

[signal aspen]

5x shields 5x damage

[rustic vale]

Zeus shield is the best shield aspect because you effectively get a beyblade

[high island]

I mean, you can get multiple large beyblades with Beowulf.

[slim geyser]

yeah but have you considered

zip zap beyblades

[rustic vale]

Building zeus on zeus works

[warm marsh]

Guys what to get for 8 heat

TD1 MM EM2

This is 6

Need sth extra

[gray apex]

TD2

[warm marsh]

I feel like Mike comes to specifically answer my questions

Do I need to have a sub 28 run or every area to be less than 7

[rustic vale]

Why not em3?

[warm marsh]

I don't know

But em3 will make it 9 heat

Is em3 much of a difference than normal

Like are the champions actually a trouble

[rustic vale]

Em3 over another option*

[gray apex]

They can be, it’s a lot more area of denial, you have to get used to it eventually but it’s not free, TD2 is free however

[warm marsh]

Hmmm

[gray apex]

And yes it’s 7 for each area which adds up to 28

It’s comfortable still judging by your victory screens

The pressure will make you go faster anyway

Another option would be BP1 or UC

[warm marsh]

Thanks for checking them out

I actually don't look at the time much like I can just afk after an encounter without pause or go practice the weapon

[warm marsh]

What happens if I fail

I am starting wish me gl

Wtf I started the run and got pos Instead of zeus

Oh he is offering the legendary

[radiant oyster]

fish

[gray apex]

Yea then you shouldnt struggle much, build up the habit of pausing when making decisions (the doors) and if you have to afk also pause

[gray apex]

You lose 5hp/s

So your hp turns into time essentially

[warm marsh]

Damn

That sucks

[gray apex]

Well yea when you time out you’re usually in a bad spot already

In general your fundamentals should be solid enough for the first two biomes that you save enough time for Elysium and the rest

Like you have 7 minutes for Tartarus but if it takes you 7 minutes to finish it you’re in trouble

Should take less

Like 5

[warm marsh]

Took me 4

Does the remaining 3 minutes add to asphodel?

[gray apex]

Yes

4 is very good

[warm marsh]

Completed asphodel in another 4 minutes

But I can't continue the run now gonna complete it tomorrow

[lean timber]

16m or so. wasn't even rly trying for a record. just happened (hades spear)

[lean timber]

but i have to respect chaos

[devout terrace]

Nem sword IGT

[signal aspen]

Apparently I have unmodded 32 heat Zeus wr that I forgot to submit

File also died in the middle of styx

[devout terrace]

[signal aspen]

It's 9:07

There's gotta be a faster run that isn't submitted

[rustic vale]

Its 7:48

[signal aspen]

Unmodded

[rustic vale]

I’m not talking about world records

[signal aspen]

Then why are you talking about

What

[rustic vale]

[slim geyser]

the time in game

on the sundial

7:48

[signal aspen]

Oh

Forgot about that

[rustic vale]

[devout terrace]

Lmaooo

Sigma Demigod Schedule
7:48 Wake up
7:48 Beat up a talking skeleton
7:48 Jump out the window
7:48 Feed a boulder
7:48 Abuse your girlfriend
7:48 Sell every Olympian boon and invest your life savings in Boatcoin
7:48 Stow away on a barge for a free commute
7:48 Collect additional funding
7:48 Lose your life savings to Boatman
7:48 Lose your life to Boatman

[rustic vale]

hmm

real sigma demigods don't lose their life to the boatman

or their savings

or wake up because they never went to sleep

but otherwise it's accurate

[strong blade]

i gave hades a nectar, but why i dont get anything? or should i do something b4 i can use his keepsakes?

[rustic vale]

it's not first nectar

[strong blade]

oh

[lean timber]

2nd nectar, have to see credits first

[tired karma]

so my 10th escape was on my 27 attempt
what a great game
shame though that my build didn't pop on that escape (so that I could screenshot it for myself)

I really liked that build:(

[gray apex]

You can press B it shows up lol

[tired karma]

I thought I would get the usual pop up to save it
so I didn't do that from B button

[wicked sphinx]

I realized that when I spin and try to dash a certain direction at the same time, the spear attacks in that direction, does that count as a dash-strike?

Don't know what kind of Chaos boon to get for Big Quick Spin build

[high island]

No. But yeah, you can release the spin with a dash and it'll be different from just releasing the spin while standing still.

The dash also gets i-frames like an empty dash.

[high island]

Attack and the usual other ones that are great, like more HP, higher rarity boons, etc.

[wicked sphinx]

I won anyways after all since it was the last escape of the story 😂

[tired karma]

so I've put 5 titan blood in all weapons
but still didn't unlock the secret aspects
do I need to put 5 in each weapon?

[strong ridge]

5 per

[tired karma]

I also don't have an option to give nectars to achiles now
and idk how I gives chars ambrosia

[rustic vale]

You have to talk to certain people after having 5 titan blood in the weapons

To unlock the special aspects

And some character progressions are locked until you speak to other people/progress farther in the game/ buy the right stuff from the housing contractor/ hit other certain requirements

[high island]

Requirements are pinned in #h1-story-discussion. You need to unlock the hidden spear before you can unlock any of the others. To unlock the hidden spear, you need to unlock 5 aspects (Zagreus Aspects don't count).

Once you have the hidden spear, it's 5 Titan Blood in each weapon to unlock the respective hidden aspects.

Also please don't post the same question in multiple channels.

[whole epoch]

Trying to find a keychain of Hades himself and it's so annoying looking for "Hades keychain" and getting every single character except Hades lmao.

Or really anything regarding Hades himself, even art. lmao

There's keychains with every bond forged but Hades

[rustic vale]

you mean merchandise?

[whole epoch]

Yes, like on Etsy. Or even just fanart to look at it's hard to just find any of the big guy himself.

[shadow totem]

Yoooooo.... I have never used a mod for anything but the Apollo mod has me intrigued. Does anyone have a good reference for where to start?

I went to github but I am trying to work through the prereqs for loading it.

[mint coral]

Modding server pinned in #self-promotion

[steel berry]

is there a reason why apollo isnt in the game

[rustic vale]

Because artemis is cooler

[steel berry]

true

[rustic vale]

And they’d be too similiar

[steel berry]

artemis is more unique in the context of other hades characters imo

[mint coral]

there are statements in #ask-supergiant that some characters are also closer to Hades story

#ask-supergiant message found it

[midnight stirrup]

is there a way to check if ur lucky tooth has been used yet?

[rustic vale]

Above the health bar

[midnight stirrup]

if he was he could give like burn related boons

[rustic vale]

The circles atop the health bar are usually just how many death defiances are remaining but if you pick up the tooth it’ll add another circle beside them

[midnight stirrup]

👌 icic

[rustic vale]

Once it’s used it’ll black over like the desth defiances

[little mountain]

Im playing Aspect of demeter fists, any tips?

[patent mesa]

zeus attack, some big +% special

ddash very helpful

[little mountain]

Ddash?

[patent mesa]

athena dash

[little mountain]

Oh

[patent mesa]

all fists are inherently unsafe so divine dash helps stave off damage

[little mountain]

Honestly ddash is always very helpfull no matter the weapon

[patent mesa]

true although some aspects need it more than others

shield is safe at melee range and thus doesn't need ddash that much

[little mountain]

oh hey also

Whats the best fist DHammer upgrades?

[patent mesa]

generally it's considered to be breaching cross

fists likes stunlocking enemies to take less damage and breaching lets you strip unstunnable armor fast

[little mountain]

ah ok

What are some of the other good ones?

[patent mesa]

on demeter fists a lot of the special hammers are excellent

[little mountain]

hm

so draining cutter?

[patent mesa]

oh I also like the long range hammer since it makes fists a little safer

[little mountain]

or should i take colossus knuckle

[patent mesa]

yeah draining is pretty good since demeter kills a lot on special

colossus is very very bad

[little mountain]

o

[patent mesa]

builds up special slower

oh sorry wrong one

colossus is decent but not a priority pick at all

heavy knuckle is very bad

[little mountain]

ah

okey dokey

thanks

[patent mesa]

yep

oh and I believe the best special hammer is explosive upper

[little mountain]

Geuss whos back

And needs more advice

Im tryin out a aspect of nemesis stygius run, any tips?

[warm nimbus]

aphro on special, artemis on attack, go for heart rend, hopefully get dedge, rhythm is special-dash strike-dash strike and repeat

its a bit difficult to get the rhythm down at first but once you do its fine

[little mountain]

Dedge?

[warm nimbus]

double edge, a hammer

[little mountain]

o

Danke

[midnight stirrup]

so nervous my second time at hades and he just entered his second phase wtf

a whole new health bar

any tips

[warm nimbus]

dont get hit

[midnight stirrup]

:/

i paused it am and taking a break rn

[gray apex]

There is no real trick to it, you just have to practice and learn the moveset

[midnight stirrup]

eating food and watching netflix

[warm nimbus]

yeah

the new attacks he gains arent too bad

i actually find the second phase generally easier than the first

[midnight stirrup]

is a chiron bow lvl 3 w hangover special good for this battle?

[midnight stirrup]

is it the same amt of hp?

[warm nimbus]

i mean yeah it should be fine

[warm nimbus]

yes

the reason i find the second phase easier is that he doesnt summon anything other than some pots lol

[midnight stirrup]

how bout the flying skulls?

[warm nimbus]

still has those

[midnight stirrup]

they so annoying tbh

[midnight stirrup]

i died

:/

[hot surge]

Flurry Slash really do be havin Zag play Minecraft tho

[hot surge]

My condolences

[midnight stirrup]

:/ i had skelly tooth and all 3 my lives were lost

what companion should i aim to get

[hot surge]

No clue, though Fidi is good

[gray apex]

Meg is considered the strongest

[midnight stirrup]

then what about the boulder?

is it not a companion?

[gray apex]

It is

[hot surge]

We don't talk about Bouldy

[midnight stirrup]

?

[hot surge]

No, no, no

We don't talk about Bouldy!

[midnight stirrup]

so i should aim to get the companuionfidi? btw does he stun hades?

[hot surge]

Fidi's not super good for bosses, but if you're feeling nothing but pain because Temple, it's good

[midnight stirrup]

oh ic

[hot surge]

When it comes to Temple though I just do all I can to stunlock Giant Vermin and Satyrs because the poison's annoying, so I go for being able to poke and stunlock at once

Hence why I have Flurry Slash to turn the Temple of Styx into Minecraft

[gray apex]

Meg or Bouldy or Achilles

If you want to not struggle in Styx you just need to have some damage, and remember that there's curing pools in every room if you do get poisoned

Flurry Slash is a very weak hammer compared to some other stuff, it is considered harmful in fact

And sword playstyle is usually dash strikes not standing strikes

[marble mountain]

dire satyrs

[hot surge]

I know but this is just a grinding run and I have full godhood on max zag, so I'm fine

[marble mountain]

vermin king is a very funny man

[hot surge]

He is not the giant rat who makes all of da rulez

He is the smol rat who makes all of da rulez

[hot surge]

I also just gimped Hades by using nothing but standing strike and Demeter call so

[high island]

I wrote a little guide for Nemesis here: #h1-for-new-players message

[gray apex]

I mean at low heat you can make most things work, it's just that some builds can kill Hades in 40s-1min and some others need 5 minutes because they do no damage

[high island]

Most efficient build for the Hades fight is afk.

Since you can go do other things.

[hot surge]

And like I said, I just wanna make Zagreus turn his dad into Minecraft

[marble mountain]

lmfao

[hot surge]

And anyway, I save the 'I am going to dash at all times and nobody can stop me' for when I'm playing Gilgamesh

[high island]

I think my average Hades fight with Hera is 47 seconds.

[warm nimbus]

sounds about right with hera

[gray apex]

Hera is amazing

[hot surge]

Would be even better if we had her as a Boon, but Supergiant's team has gotta eat so

[high island]

It's on the slow side tbh but I didn't care to practice that much, I just wanted consistent sub 8 IGT and didn't practice beyond that.

I suspect my average 47s Hades fights are probably @dull niche's slowest Hades fights.

[misty silo]

How are Zagreus and Aphrodite related?

Same with Artemis.

[hot surge]

Aphrodite shares no relation to the other gods, at least not through the Titans

She was born fully-grown from the sea foam, and accepted as an Olympian

As for Zagreus and Artmis, they're blood-related cousins, with Artemis being Zeus' daughter

[misty silo]

Ok then.

Just started the game

So just asking, are ways to get to areas faster possible or will I always be sent back to the start?

[hot surge]

You'll always start your runs in Tartarus

[misty silo]

I know you always start there but do you ever earn ways that make progressing after death easier?

[hot surge]

I recommend referring to #h1-for-new-players when you're starting out

[misty silo]

Just want to know what to expect?

Thanks

[hot surge]

Your weapons will grow stronger, yes

If the game is proving too frustrating or difficult, try turning on God Mode- it will grant you a damage reduction to make gameplay easier with no negative penalties. You can still experience the game in full and gain all achievements even with it on.

[native umbra]

I'm having a hard time choosing between buying Hades via Steam or Epic Games, Steam is usually the better option but its almost half the price on Epic rn, are there any benifits in picking steam?
(Modding, Stability, Bugs etc.)

[hot surge]

Steam is a lot more reliable all in all for managing games and I think Nexus modloader works better with Steam

[native umbra]

wdym by "managing games" ?

And yea modding is generally better on steam but if there aren't any good mods worth downloading it doesn't mean much.

[high island]

It's the same game files, just the launcher is different.

[native umbra]

So both will be equally buggy?

[devout terrace]

????

[gray apex]

I mean if your machine can't handle the game then probably yes

[rustic vale]

[void vigil]

steam sale is also in a couple of days if that is your consideration and you prefer steam

it will likely be on sale

[native umbra]

aight, guess I'll wait and see

[tired karma]

is Heartbreak Strike good on Gun

or Drunken Strike is better?

[rustic vale]

Typically flat damage works better on fast attacks

So I’d say drunken strike unless you’ve got something else applying hangover

[lean timber]

drunken strike works really well on gun

anything that stacks is generally good for multihits, e.g. double nova, etc.

i don't prefer running dionysus on very many builds but the rail works well for him

[lean timber]

or apparently i'm wrong. lol

[mint coral]

Outside of multi hits it also matters the dmg of it

I still would use a % special on sword

[rustic vale]

I would much rather zeus strike on something like rail

[mint coral]

Drunk Eris is good for high enough heat where getting jolted turns into a pain

[rustic vale]

Also yeah I’d take %special on sword even with double nova

[mint coral]

So then you just need poms and get carried by 75% global dmg

[rustic vale]

Does rush delivery common mean bonus damage = to 1/2 of your bonus speed?

[mint coral]

Ye

So with hyper sprint is 50% dmg bonus after dashing

[rustic vale]

and hades call says it increases damage output and movespeed when using the greater call

[mint coral]

You get those with a minor call too

Is the invisibility that goes away when you hit/compared to greater call that last for the duration

There is also a weird interaction between dad call/RD iirc

[high island]

Nothing weird, you just get a movement speed bonus from the Call.

[dull niche]

yes but not rly a fair comparison considering I probably reset a lot lot more than u

[mint coral]

#523774570394681344 message
This was what i was thinking (links to speedrun server)

[midnight stirrup]

does stubborn root heal in cutscene when hades is talking?

between first and second phase?

[tired karma]

damn, wouldn't ever think that the most fun build I will get is on a sword (and broke a record of mine, finished in 17 mins)

at least so far had the most fun builds on rail

used the second aspect of sword, had deflect on dash and special, with added boost to deflected dmg, deflect when getting hit, legendary tempest strike, a duo that let me to resist stuns from bosses (got it just before hades fight though), zeus on cast with jolt effect

basically I could face tank anything and be in the face of bosses, while stomping them and deflecting their attacks

[mint coral]

Doubt it

[midnight stirrup]

im still gonna wait and pray it does

[midnight stirrup]

it does not heal :/

[mint coral]

Thought so

Try to stall dad by just dashing/iframibg for a while ig

[rustic vale]

Stubborn root being the duo boon that regens hp when you have no defiances?

[mint coral]

Ye

[rustic vale]

just dash around until you feel comfortable with your hp I guess

[midnight stirrup]

i died :/ i had a good adamant rail boons :/

[tired karma]

lucifer aspect is fun

[rustic vale]

Zag aspect best aspect 😎

[midnight stirrup]

third time at hades 23 attempts yet i can't kill him 💀

any tips for hades

the rest of bosses can manage

[rustic vale]

still better than me

In terms of growth

My first hades win was at 50

[mint coral]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit?usp=sharing
From Nyaanyaa

[tired karma]

is aspect of arthur better than aspect of nemesis
and is it more fun or comparable

had a blast on nemesis

[midnight stirrup]

when i try to meet sisyphus for companion he just doesnt appear :/ should i just try to go for meg's companion?

[tired karma]

use shield and just bull rush

[mint coral]

Easier to use, wouldnt call it better for speedrun/high heat

[midnight stirrup]

aspect of chaos?

[midnight stirrup]

tks

[rustic vale]

Aspect of chaos is a trap

[mint coral]

Ch*os shield

[tired karma]

I cleared him without any aspects on shield, on my 7 attempt

[midnight stirrup]

:/ bruh

w hat boons

[rustic vale]

I geniunely don’t think I’d ever take chaos over any other shield options

[patent mesa]

base shield kinda nutty tbh

[patent mesa]

good, chaos shield worst shield by a mile imo

[mint coral]

I took till like 45 runs to beat dad lol, idr what run i first reached him tho

[tired karma]

I wish I could post a pic

[midnight stirrup]

dm

[patent mesa]

why are images blocked on most channels anyways

[mint coral]

Post in other server/imgyr and cipy img link

[patent mesa]

really annoying

[tired karma]

sec

[midnight stirrup]

lucky tooth or hourglass to stack items for hades fight

[mint coral]

Acorn if you have it

[midnight stirrup]

ig i should start leveling it up?

[mint coral]

5 blocked hits is huge on dad ye

Most of the time it will be more than the 100 hp from tooth

[patent mesa]

if well has some spicy stuff I really like hourglass

I remember when I was newer stacking heal per chamber was so helpful

[mint coral]

I dont like hourglass that much on rail

Maybe on hesty for either jerky as it benefits from both

[tired karma]

https://i.imgur.com/a74x1hK.png
https://i.imgur.com/ZYiWq2r.png

[midnight stirrup]

nice

[high island]

Lv.1 Beowulf with 1 Cast and Charged Shot is better than Lv.5 Chaos Aspect with Charged Shot.

[tired karma]

thx, on that attempt I met hades for the first time and beat him right there lol

the hyper sprint and divine protection helped a lot

[midnight stirrup]

chtonic vitality or dark essence thing

[tired karma]

I found that this works best
https://i.imgur.com/ilbh1WX.png

[patent mesa]

vitality always

[midnight stirrup]

is there a reason? cuz 3 seems like so little

and if u use the imperial arm w 20% essence boost is that not good?

[tired karma]

it stacks up

[patent mesa]

in styx you have a bunch of small chambers

and there's no more darkness

[mint coral]

With dark foresight you see less darkness too

[midnight stirrup]

fair enough

[patent mesa]

dark regen is also usually wasted since the post boss fountain exists

[mint coral]

And if you have their work orders you may want to take other blue laurel reward

[midnight stirrup]

and should i keep shadow instead of fiery if i strugglke more w bosses?

[patent mesa]

that's pretty much exactly the lower heat meta

nice

[tired karma]

someone posted here a video on speedrun guide and I just basically used that setup on my mirror

[lean timber]

wow that's like. not at all what i use lol

[mint coral]

What weapon you mostly use?

[lean timber]

i play the game wrong huh

[tired karma]

well so far my most of heats was 16

[patent mesa]

assuming your weapon can backstab with majority of damage yes

eg I think rail special can't backstab

[midnight stirrup]

i like chirons bow but ive made it to hades only w chiron bow and adamant rail

[patent mesa]

oh chiron wants shadow presence then

[mint coral]

On chiron it works, rail no

[midnight stirrup]

👌

tks for the help

[mint coral]

Rail special cant backstab and 50% bonus on your 10 dmg pellets aint doing work

[patent mesa]

wait

should I run fiery for lucifer zeus attack + triple bomb

[mint coral]

You still have an argument for fiery cuz it allows your attack to 1 shot most small thinga

[patent mesa]

true but one shotting small things is really helpful for time and I assume they don't have TD on

[mint coral]

I honestly dont know i assume the little shockwaves from the special will consume the fiery bonus

[mint coral]

Less time to get hit by small things if they just die

[patent mesa]

where lucy sweats

[midnight stirrup]

bruh y is fishing so hard

[tired karma]

it's easy to beat hades with the 300% base damage on special that can also hit you that you get from hammer
get also some good special boon (aphrodite for example) and it will deal a lot of dmg

• if you get a boon that gives you more dashes/boon that makes you sturdy after you dash and 100% faster, then you golden

on top of that you can also get some defence boons from athena

[mint coral]

Hazard bomb is fun

[midnight stirrup]

makes sense

[tired karma]

yeah I love it a lot

my most used hammer boon

[midnight stirrup]

im guessing aphrodite is for the weaken effect where they take more dmg?

[patent mesa]

hazard bomb deals massive damage slowly

[tired karma]

and if you get the "3 times special in a row" on top of hazard bomb then you melt everything

[mint coral]

Aphro has the highest % bonus

[patent mesa]

so you want a consistent buff to it

[mint coral]

You cant get those 2 combined

[tired karma]

yes
it works very well with hazard bomb

[patent mesa]

arty can have more damage but it's inconsistent

[midnight stirrup]

doestn hangover dot do more?

[tired karma]

shame
I somehow thought you can
memory must be playing with me

[patent mesa]

lmao triple hazard

broken

[tired karma]

lol

[mint coral]

My 300% hazard bomb now also has a 5 dmg dot on top it, great

[tired karma]

hangover is good on attack

with rail

[midnight stirrup]

but chiron bow do u go for aphro or hangover on the special?

[patent mesa]

both can work but hangover is better

[tired karma]

idk, I barely used bow
cleared with it only 1 time I think

[patent mesa]

for raw damage artemis is better than aphro on special

[tired karma]

spear is most boring weapon for me

[patent mesa]

since it hits a lot and crit rng is evened out

[tired karma]

aphro call is good as well
you can oneshot snake with it in his last phase (after 5 smaller snakes are gone)

with hazard bomb + aphro and dionysus boons I remember my run was super low effort (very easy)

[patent mesa]

well that's hazard bomb for you

I managed to clutch 50 heat hestia in like 6 attempts just from abusing hazard bomb

so op in elysium

[tired karma]

I think Hestia appeared to me only once in my 35 attempts

[patent mesa]

damn you should use it more then

I'm starting to think it's the best aspect

[tired karma]

actually I never used hestia, lol

[patent mesa]

rip

to be fair it's bad until it's maxed out

[tired karma]

thought hestia was a goddess, not an aspect

[patent mesa]

lol

[tired karma]

it's funny how nemesis made my sword way more fun
before that aspect I didn't really liked the sword

[rustic vale]

Clearly you haven’t used zag sword… oh… wait a minute

[mint coral]

Zag sword

[tired karma]

this was very fun on nemesis sword
https://i.imgur.com/dA2wYqt.png

[mint coral]

Wait what
Heroic tempest strike lvl2 2 is barely a rare aphro attack

I knew the % was the lowest but please what is this

[tired karma]

idk, it did good dmg and knocked everything away, also had rupture boon

[patent mesa]

poseidon moment

[tired karma]

plus rare boon that gave 4% for any attacks to be critical

[rustic vale]

[high island]

Mirror Guide by MiKE: #h1-for-new-players message

[mint coral]

PP isnt in that boon screen tho?

Unless is just a blind moment

[rustic vale]

This is true

[patent mesa]

damn you got hit by an apollo attack

[tired karma]

not sure what is pp
here all the names of boons
maybe I was mistaken

https://i.imgur.com/W20vLkC.png

[patent mesa]

shoutout to ares for doing literally nothing in that build

[mint coral]

Pressure points

[tired karma]

true
I found that if I used his call it only hindered me, lmao

[mint coral]

2/3/4% for any attack to be crit

[patent mesa]

/5% lol

[mint coral]

Heroic is a myth

[midnight stirrup]

is cursed slash worth?

cuz 60% max hp is a lot

[patent mesa]

heroic boons are a myth invented by eurydice to sell more ambrosia

[mint coral]

Lot of players have had their first win by it but i hate it

[tired karma]

btw, for some reason I can't gift nectars to meg and achilles for a while now
3 left on both before I finally unlock the companions

will it just appear after enough conversations will pass?

[mint coral]

Or Dem Rare cr*p/ap2 stupid exchanges

[patent mesa]

rare cr*p 🤮

[tired karma]

does anyone actually play with controller on pc (game recommends controller)

[mint coral]

Buff it so it hits hermes boons and im happy

[patent mesa]

I was about to ask

why can ambrosia hit hermes but not rare crap

[mint coral]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Go back in time to ea hades to give feedback on that

[tired karma]

is max heat run fun

[patent mesa]

I saw in EA that certain BP2s were made incompatible

[mint coral]

No

64 heat has only been done routed

[patent mesa]

wish I could go back in time and remove DC benefit tbh

[tired karma]

bruh, when I began to read your answer, deep from the boys said loudly "no" as well
I am watching the boys on the background

[mint coral]

Huh

[rustic vale]

Like you literally didn’t have that boon that run though

[scenic dawn]

ok i just notice this https://i.postimg.cc/13yyn03g/km.png

what does it meeans

[strange skiff]

Is there a guide for these endgame tags/flourishes/whatever they are?

[raw herald]

Yeah on the wiki

[strange skiff]

I think minotaur toughness means you picked up a lot of max health

Thx

[mint coral]

Over 400 hp iirc

[strange skiff]

Yes
https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Run_Clear_Messages

[lean timber]

how does non-integer math work? are decimals truncated or rounded up/down/nearest

[slim geyser]

i do

[slim geyser]

wrong channel lol

[lean timber]

where would you suggest it go

[warm nimbus]

idk like #off-topic-discussion or smth

[lean timber]

wut? why would a question about hades' math system go in off-topic

[warm nimbus]

oh you mean for hades

[slim geyser]

wait that was about hades

[lean timber]

[warm marsh]

If it is in #h1-discussion you suppose it is about Hades not that he is in wrong chat lol

[lean timber]

y'all thought i was a kid posting abt homework or something

nah i'm talkin about hades calculations. lol

[high island]

@night rampart can probably help you out there.

[brisk trail]

I think my proclivity for a deep, deliberate and skillful combat system hindered my enjoyment of hades

But I'm now turned around on my opinion of the game

I appreciate the artstyle more than I did previously and the music is decent

[chrome wharf]

From what I remember, the floats are stored internally, but rounded in the display

[strong ridge]

play with ri and you will see how deliberate the game can get

[chrome wharf]

so you can do 0 displayed damage but still do actual damage

[brisk trail]

ri?

[chrome wharf]

or Hestia

[mint coral]

Routine inspection pact

[strong ridge]

difficulty modifier that removes mirror perks

[brisk trail]

I see

[brisk trail]

Rounded up or down?

Most games typically do up

[lean timber]

no approx at all? strange. cool tho! thanks for the answer

[gray apex]

If you're not finding the combat skillful enough and deliberate then you're probably not very observant

[strong ridge]

like if u do .3 damage it will show 0 damage but you still do .3 damage i think

is how i interpreted it

but numbers are my weakness so /shrug

[devout terrace]

🗿

[lean timber]

using the same button timing and combos on every single weapon for every single pact/build/whatever can get universally good results at low heats

[devout terrace]

Yes, at low heats

[lean timber]

correct! i did say at low heats didn't i

[mint coral]

Where is that rama clip with the 0!

[strong ridge]

i mean yea you can clear low heat with a blindfold on but you won’t WR

[devout terrace]

Its the same argument you can use for fighting games where you can just button mash the first few enemies, hell even the entire campaign

[brisk trail]

Hades like a lot of games in the action genre (not games with action) is comprised of combat that entails a fair bit of input spam

[devout terrace]

Thats not gonna work at higher levels

[gray apex]

Or speedrunning

[signal aspen]

nope 🙂

[devout terrace]

Try input spamming at 50 heat

[lean timber]

i do believe i understand that yes, not arguing that at all

hence why i said "at low heats"

[warm nimbus]

low heats and slow runs

[signal aspen]

https://youtu.be/MosXufXJAHc

[mint coral]

Ty

[strong ridge]

it’s there

[signal aspen]

not a 0! but close enough

just a 0

[signal aspen]

thats how you play hestia right

[lean timber]

wow if it crit maybe it would have been 2 or something 😭

[chrome wharf]

yes

[tired karma]

what is the world record of fastest game clear?

[strong ridge]

me

[lean timber]

actually it's me

[signal aspen]

ten point three five eight seconds

[brisk trail]

You're obviously inclined to say such but I don't need you to tell me that which I can see for myself

[chrome wharf]

the seeded IGT WR is like 2.5X??

[lean timber]

0:37.81

[rustic vale]

World record is sub 0

[signal aspen]

2:48 or sumthin

[chrome wharf]

less than 3

[signal aspen]

yeah 2:48

unmodded is 5:16

[chrome wharf]

I don't have src plugin in my brain ok /s

[signal aspen]

modded is 4:49

totally by me

[brisk trail]

Despite the combat being relatively shallow it's still offers a lot of stimulation so it's at the very least interesting

[gray apex]

It's just that you probably haven't seen enough of the game, I suggest you look into some higher heat clears (50+) or speedruns on the leaderboard, the game is not that simple and it's not at all about mashing, that is a fact, not an opinion

[brisk trail]

To an extent

[tired karma]

I see on youtube it's 5:57 with cluster bomb

[gray apex]

That's not fastest

[chrome wharf]

but but
0! = 1

[gray apex]

That's a very popular vid tho

[signal aspen]

dont confuse me with math

[tired karma]

modded is lame

[signal aspen]

ok?

its still not the fastes

t

[gray apex]

Dont play it

[night rampart]

everything is decimals they just display as integers/whatever

[strong ridge]

personally i only see this opinion from people who are newer to the game

[chrome wharf]

It's as shallow as you want it to be

[night rampart]

sometimes they round but it's too specific of situations to remember

[chrome wharf]

there are people who do 32 heat with mouse only

[tired karma]

I am new but the combat is amazing and has a lot of variety

[strong ridge]

hades is low skill to clear but high ceiling

[devout terrace]

Goodbye

[lean timber]

i personally play with a fight stick on an arcade cabinet 😵‍💫

[strong ridge]

which is why i think a lot of people draw the conclusion it’s simple

[signal aspen]

well modded is lame

[tired karma]

they move and attack with mouse?

[night rampart]

😦 i worked really hard on it though

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/952268336169902182.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[gray apex]

🗿

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/902855770394202162.gif?size=96

[brisk trail]

The fact of the matter is hades' combat isn't comparable to any of the Miyazaki ARPGs or staying in the same genre dead cells

[chrome wharf]

It's not low skill to clear on the low% categories

[devout terrace]

MIYAZAKI APRGS

BRUH

[night rampart]

"the miyazaki arpgs" way to reduce an entire development studio to one guy

[chrome wharf]

dead cells is also mashable at 0 BC?

[gray apex]

i am done here

no braincells left

[chrome wharf]

if you don't care about the no-hit rewards

[devout terrace]

#h1-discussion

[lean timber]

i did not start with any

[signal aspen]

so true bestie

[chrome wharf]

you mean your brain is full of....
dead cells

[strong ridge]

dead cells is becoming a bloated mess on top of being a platformer

[warm nimbus]

i honestly think hades combat and the game as a whole is much more nuanced and balanced as a whole

[strong ridge]

metroid? idk whatever it’s side to side

[lean timber]

[tired karma]

well, mods on games are fun, I meant more in terms of world records
personally I prefer to have it clean without any mods when it comes to that
when I hear mods then cheese pops right away in my mind

[signal aspen]

so when you get your world records you prefer to do them unmodded?

[devout terrace]

metroidvenia

[chrome wharf]

several people are typing

[brisk trail]

Hades is a game often lauded for its low proficiency requirement

[tired karma]

obviously, with mods it's like you cheated

[warm nimbus]

for low heat, maybe

[strong ridge]

i mean there’s an actual mod now that adds a new god i saw
but most mods just streamline the rng

[signal aspen]

ASNTOEHUANSTOIHTNEUAOIA

[warm nimbus]

push past first victory and it takes actual skill lmao

[signal aspen]

do you happen to spend time on the hades the game subreddit

[devout terrace]

im dying

[tired karma]

do people use god mode for world records as well?

[lean timber]

[chrome wharf]

So is pokemon, but doesn't mean that high level gameplay can't exist for people who chase that

[gray apex]

not allowed

[signal aspen]

thats

[strong ridge]

i’m not horny at the moment

[signal aspen]

never mind

[warm nimbus]

exactly! the modpack is honestly just a cheat engine

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/960704984951947316.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[slim geyser]

9/10 speedrunners are dirty cheaters

[strong ridge]

it’s truth

[signal aspen]

thank god im not one of them

[tired karma]

they abuse glitches most of the time

[warm nimbus]

(unmodded leaderboard actually has like 10x more runs lmao)

[signal aspen]

SANTOHEUSNTAHIDONSTIDAOESNITDA

PLEASE STOP

[tired karma]

like in elden ring, someone finished the entire game in like 30 seconds

[lean timber]

i should have just. not said anything about the combat or button spam.

[signal aspen]

bro i dont think youve ever watched a hades speedrun

[chrome wharf]

you can always join the Chinese high heaters if you like unmoddd

[lean timber]

i did not expect this to be the offshoot

[chrome wharf]

have fun figuring the logistics out tho

[strong ridge]

i need what they got

[signal aspen]

ok well over there they had an actual cheater

[slim geyser]

lmao have fun finding out about seeded runs

[warm nimbus]

exactly! anyone who has played beowulf is a dirty bug abuser

[rustic vale]

do people use god mode?

[chrome wharf]

they got back the Chaos WR tho
meaning the chinese players

[warm nimbus]

all of their speedruns should be banned

[lean timber]

bugs under my skin

get them out

[strong ridge]

scratch them out

[lean timber]

bugs

[slim geyser]

bite the bugs back

[rustic vale]

Free protien

[strong ridge]

bugs are like organic robots they rock hard

[lean timber]

brb trying something rq

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/910283372163653684.gif

[warm nimbus]

WOB

[devout terrace]

this channel

WOB

[signal aspen]

angel dyin over here

[tired karma]

why it's even there, lmao

[chrome wharf]

that's bow backwards

[strong ridge]

it’s for the story mode gamers

[devout terrace]

damm I wonder why

[chrome wharf]

Bow best weapon btw

[devout terrace]

its almost like making games accesible isnt bad???

zagshock emote

[warm nimbus]

its also an anagram of OWB

[strong ridge]

i did not it say it was

[signal aspen]

accessibility in my game? not on my watch

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/882754146158149652.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[warm nimbus]

the only game with good accessibility that ive seen imo is celeste

[lean timber]

i did. i think games should be as inaccessible as possible. you need to work for your fun

[tired karma]

game is already accessible
god mode ruins it

[devout terrace]

?????????

[strong ridge]

then don’t use god mode ezpz

[left brook]

don't bother angel lmao

[tired karma]

I don't

[strong ridge]

solved situation

[devout terrace]

this the highlight of my day

[tired karma]

true

[chrome wharf]

don't feed the trolls

[lean timber]

you can't beat sandvision with tactics alone

[devout terrace]

I dont get terfs coming into my dms this is like the next best thing

[warm nimbus]

do people do that?

[chrome wharf]

I know they do that on twiter

[crude surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[devout terrace]

This began as a conversation about integrals and floats

[chrome wharf]

esp towards higher profile ppl

[devout terrace]

What the heck

Twitter 🗿

[strong ridge]

all is connected

[chrome wharf]

it's the floats convo interspersed between mod Discourse

[warm nimbus]

the integral of the game from tartarus to hades with respect to cheat engine?

[lean timber]

float this ratio

[chrome wharf]

that's irrational

[warm nimbus]

guys guys guys

[devout terrace]

📻

[warm nimbus]

what 1.2-1.0???

[strong ridge]

21

[raw herald]

0!

[warm nimbus]

incorrect

[devout terrace]

Atleast 2

[warm nimbus]

the real answer is 0.19999999999999996

[chrome wharf]

3

[strong ridge]

that was my next guess

[signal aspen]

69 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[warm nimbus]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[strong ridge]

💯

[slim geyser]

it was 6/9 yesterday

[devout terrace]

One of the servers of all time

[strong ridge]

yes!

[brisk trail]

Dead cells has more weapons, skills and by extension potential interactions. It requires deep knowledge of enemy attacks and behaviour even moreso given the sheer variety of them.

Hades takes a more arcade like approach reasoning and decision making midst combat is a rare occasion. It's more balanced in terms of gameplay due to it's smaller scale, other than knowledge of synergies which is an exercise detached from combat, your primary strategy entails dodging when an enemy attacks and attacking from a position their attacks will not reach or when they are not currently in the process of doing so.

[raw herald]

Yesyes-1yes-2…

[chrome wharf]

more weapons, but most of which bloat up the pool

[raw herald]

And in order to do that you need knowledge of enemy attack and behaviour

[chrome wharf]

the instant I unlock anything that's not a bow I just go to custom mode and turn it off

[devout terrace]

Dead cell's weapons are less unique in their own right

[strong ridge]

dead cells more skill because more synergy
hades less skill minus synergies

[devout terrace]

Whereas in hades almost every aspect's playstyles and builds are different

[patent mesa]

wrong, you just need to know how to equip the shield and then hold down the mouse button

[chrome wharf]

and don't turn on TD ever

[devout terrace]

Big plate good

[signal aspen]

big plate bad

[patent mesa]

big plate good

[chrome wharf]

Most importantly, Hades doesn't mock you every biome you take one extra hit than the game thinks is appropriate

[raw herald]

Shield = cheat engine

[patent mesa]

this but unironically

[signal aspen]

exactly what the guy was saying earlier

[devout terrace]

Being gay= cheat engine because of the endorphins releasing in your brain from the queer representation

[signal aspen]

being gay new meta????????

[brisk trail]

You don't need to react differently based on behaviour the only relevant information is that the enemy intends to attack

That's the fundamental concept

[tired karma]

dlc coming where we play as achilles

[brisk trail]

Then there are design choices that support their intended combat styles

[raw herald]

BP:

[lean timber]

me kissing boys for passive stat buffs

[devout terrace]

Boys

Girls

[raw herald]

Gaydes op because gods pride

[patent mesa]

@raw herald hey wanna help me up the heat

[tired karma]

Aphrodite will be mad and come to beat you up in every room

[chrome wharf]

Girls
Guys

[devout terrace]

Thats kinda gay

[signal aspen]

when the

gay

[lean timber]

girls
guys

i no longer like this server LMFAO

[warm nimbus]

Hades has a larger weapon variety, more viable playstyles, and by extension unique and functional builds. it requires deep knowledge of enemy attacks and behavior even moreso given the sheer number of possible situations you could be in, meaning you have to think about each situation differently.

Dead cells takes a more lazy like approach. reasoning and decision making midst combat is often identical. It's less balanced in terms of gameplay due to a clear general meta surrounding the items, other than knowledge of synergies which is an exercise detached from combat, your primary strategy entails blocking when an enemy attacks and attacking from a position their attacks will not reach or when they are not currently in the process of doing so.

[devout terrace]

Cope

[signal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[patent mesa]

what if I... set your first hammer... to charged skewer ..
aha ha, just kidding..
unless.. ?

[raw herald]

^ this but with flaring spin

[devout terrace]

🗞️

[chrome wharf]

you still gotta pull back after every special

[lean timber]

🧯

[tired karma]

dead cells looks lame
it loses
period
next discussion

[chrome wharf]

Unless you're on GY

[lean timber]

guan yeezys

[devout terrace]

Your mom looks lame

[warm nimbus]

anyway my biggest gripe with dead cells is that like 80% of weapons and skills just straight up suck

[raw herald]

Ayo

[tired karma]

no, your dad looks lame

[devout terrace]

😎

[patent mesa]

hey babe can you equip exploding launcher 🥺

[signal aspen]

Be kind

[tired karma]

😎

[raw herald]

Guan yeezys with the zag shield and dash only

[lean timber]

fresh

[chrome wharf]

dual wield mod when

[lean timber]

drippin

[warm nimbus]

very often in dead cells your combination of weapons and everything is just completely and utterly objectievly worse to another

[patent mesa]

zag aspects irl

[chrome wharf]

zag bow has entered the chat

[tired karma]

zag fists not bad

[raw herald]

Zag bow: hey here’s 1.3x damage enjoy 👍

[lean timber]

but zag sword

YOU HEARD ME ANGEL

[devout terrace]

Yoo 15% move speed

Incredible

[lean timber]

ZAG SWORD GOOD

[chrome wharf]

zag bow 🤝 zag shield

It ain't looking much but it's honest work

[patent mesa]

RD synergy let's goo

[lean timber]

I LOVE ZAGREUS SWORD

[warm nimbus]

nobody uses giantkiller because it sucks. its one payoff almost never occurs and its too slow to be used in reasonable combat. why use giantkiller when you can just use rapier, which has a higher dps, is easier to use, and will make you get hit less often?

[tired karma]

what about zag spear

[raw herald]

We

Don’t

Like

Zagspear

[lean timber]

true.

[chrome wharf]

you can...get both Expoding Launcher and Flurry Jab at the same time?

[tired karma]

spear sucks in general

[devout terrace]

|| #video-games 🔫 ||

[patent mesa]

you suck in general

wait wrong server

[lean timber]

skill issue spear is awesome

[tired karma]

[devout terrace]

Spear sucks without good hammers

[tired karma]

I just don't like it's playstyle I guess

[patent mesa]

um actually hades spear something something

[lean timber]

WOOOO HADES SPEAR

I LOVE SUB-OPTIMAL ASPECTS

[chrome wharf]

Hades spear, flaring spin, spin only

[patent mesa]

just get flurry jab 👍

[lean timber]

quick spin massive spin easy game gg wp shake my hand

[signal aspen]

hades spear isnt sub optimal it just needs explosive launcher, charged skewer, purple doom attack, purple athena special, divine dash, ME, purple impending, and purple hyper delivery and or purple dashes

[warm nimbus]

i get that almost every run tbh

pretty easy

[patent mesa]

no it needs red hyper delivery and dashes

[raw herald]

And then there’s a chance you’ll get a 40s dad

[patent mesa]

that reminds me of people on the sub saying "just try to get sea storm splitting bolt second wave 👍"

[chrome wharf]

my hades 40 was Deadly Flourish with no Mark and Rod with no Static

[lean timber]

lmfao

[high island]

Untrue. #h1-discussion message

[signal aspen]

cant believe she scrolled all the way back to the first message

[chrome wharf]

hADES!!!!!!!!!1

[lean timber]

they seem hyped about something. wonder what it could be.

[patent mesa]

first message wasn't fists hate

disappointed

[chrome wharf]

fists are fine

[devout terrace]

Fists werent in the game until 2019 🗿

Or 2020 actually

[chrome wharf]

I'd rather play gilga than swords

[signal aspen]

blocked

[patent mesa]

sus

[chrome wharf]

bubye

[lean timber]

wait what are fists? i only have sword and bow unlocked 😄

[high island]

If you unequip your weapon, you have to use your fists.

[chrome wharf]

take the spear, throw the special but don't recall it before leaving the room

[lean timber]

_

[patent mesa]

chaos should have a curse that removes your weapon and makes you use your fists instead

[chrome wharf]

that's how you unlock it

[high island]

Press R4 on your controller to unequip your weapon.

[chrome wharf]

too poor to have a R4

[lean timber]

for three encounters, chaos keeps your weapon. after that, gain +1 bouldy boon.

[chrome wharf]

very richist of this game

[high island]

Master Chaos has an aspect that makes you wish you used your fists instead.

[rustic vale]

Hit alt+f4 if playing on pc to unlock fists

[patent mesa]

I saw a mod where every room was a chaos gate

there should be a mod that replaces every room reward with a random bouldy boon instead

[brisk trail]

I reckon this is supposed to be some sort of joke because of some factual errors

[patent mesa]

Hades has a larger weapon variety, more viable playstyles, and by extension unique and functional builds. it requires deep knowledge of enemy attacks and behavior even moreso given the sheer number of possible situations you could be in, meaning you have to think about each situation differently.

Dead cells takes a more lazy like approach. reasoning and decision making midst combat is often identical. It's less balanced in terms of gameplay due to a clear general meta surrounding the items, other than knowledge of synergies which is an exercise detached from combat, your primary strategy entails blocking when an enemy attacks and attacking from a position their attacks will not reach or when they are not currently in the process of doing so.

[high island]

I think the factual error is go and beat 50+ Heat.

[brisk trail]

I was interrupted, my apologies

[brisk trail]

As I had intended to explain

[lean timber]

can someone ?whois this guy i wanna see how long they've been here lmfao

[high island]

Just remember to remain kind and respectful even if you disagree.

[lean timber]

who

[high island]

You and everyone else.

[brisk trail]

Dead cells enemy attacks vary greatly in terms of timing, range, duration and affliction reacting to it requires that the player is learned, decisive and reactive, deliberate strategy is also useful.
A large number of the weapons have a long wind up and recovery animation so you need to plan and reason in other to use them effectively due to how punishing getting hit is

Enemies in hades have varying attacks too but most can be easily avoided given the number of dashes and the distance they cover, the dash also has no wind up animation and little recovery animation. most of the few yet well designed weapons also have similar characteristics to the dash in that they are executed almost instantly and immediately return control to the player

[signal aspen]

why we talkin about dead cells in here

[devout terrace]

H o w is it still going

[brisk trail]

Obviously there are numbers and game design principles that need more detail to be explained but that would take a lot of time, the game designers here would easily comprehend but the rest will have to take my word for it

[high island]

Lmfao

[brisk trail]

One isn't necessarily better than the other

It's just preference

[chrome wharf]

everyone can't let go

[lean timber]

hey google, what is "frame data"?

[brisk trail]

While I'm here, how uncommon is it for individuals to dislike hades' artstyle?

[lean timber]

ya know what i'll give it to ya, i didn't at first

took me a while to like it

[brisk trail]

I still can't understand why I disliked it so much looking at it now

[lean timber]

it wasn't the artstyle so much as the animation for me

just looked strange. was more used to choppy cartoon movements a lá nintendo and the like

oh Lord i just saw a run on pc for the first time, looks so much better

actual death anims?? nobody just explodes out of the blue?? so nice

[chrome wharf]

apart from moving sprites having awkwardly lower res than the background I think it looks fine

[brisk trail]

What are you referring to?

[chrome wharf]

everything? especially in the house

Nyx especially

[brisk trail]

Oh! You're still discussing Hades

[chrome wharf]

the character sprites are a lower resolution than the environment, Nyx sticks out bc her design is the most complex and hence is the most visibly compressed

[chrome wharf]

literally this question

[brisk trail]

I thought you were talking about a different game

I would pay for a 4k resolution update

But knowing supergiant, that's unlikely to happen

[rustic vale]

Purple poseidon attack is 60% damage

[patent mesa]

you can be gay in hades and not dead cells

I think the evidence speaks for itself

[crude surge]

dead cells homophobic tbh

dead cells right wings DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC

[warm nimbus]

i genuinely do disagree. in terms of avoiding enemy attacks, i think the games have similar complexity- in dead cells you just block with a shield, and if youre playing tactics and dont have a shield, you dps everything fast enough that you legit dont need to dodge anything. what really makes hades win for me is its in depth combat and how well it integrates into dodging enemies and its large number of viable builds even on high heat. on 5BC? pretty much all of survival isnt viable, and every tactics and brutality build feels the exact same

i enjoyed dead cells for a while, got a few 5bc wins, but then the game started to feel really really samey after a while

[brisk trail]

Dead cells requires a fair amount of proficiency to be enjoyed

It an issue with a great number of rogue-type games

[outer comet]

I disagree with you.

Survival is my baby and it's viable, trust.

[brisk trail]

Hades is one of the few rogue-type games that rewards the player's time regardless of skill

[chrome wharf]

you can be an asexual blob in dead cells which is a total win

[outer comet]

Also, technically offtopic, only made on topic by merit of comparison

[outer comet]

You get it

🤝

[brisk trail]

I don't think it can reproduce

[outer comet]

Huh what

[brisk trail]

it isn't asexual of it can't reproduce

[chrome wharf]

We're just balancing the amount of Hades talk in general discussion

[outer comet]

⚖️

[lean timber]

are we still talking about sexualities in video games

[outer comet]

When you speak of asexuality, you speak of asexual reproduction. When I speak of asexuality, I speak of being a deity beyond mortal comprehension. We are not the same.

[warm nimbus]

if you want 8 bars of malaise, go right ahead

[outer comet]

As if that's so bad

As if games aren't political in other ways, and also in every way

[outer comet]

There's a ton of tools to mitigate malaise and I genuinely find no difficulty reaching the spoiler level on most runs. I do main survival, and even on the slowest builds with stuff like Tombstone, it really does work.

You're right in that Brutality and Tactics have it a lot easier with regards to getting there, by most accounts, and they are stronger in just about every way.

But Survival is viable despite that

[brisk trail]

Shields are also a waste of a weapon slot

[outer comet]

Lol no

[warm nimbus]

not on brutality lmao

brutality has no secondaries and its so sad

maybe like 3

[brisk trail]

Throwing knives and firebrands are all you need

[mint coral]

#video-games 🔫

[outer comet]

Most shields are just solid. They can apply easy affixes for synergies, they're great for avoiding damage and dealing damage

"shields are a waste of a weapon slot" if you're not good at them

Simple as

[brisk trail]

You have a dodge

[warm nimbus]

ok lets go to #video-games

[outer comet]

[mint coral]

[warm nimbus]

@signal aspen are you now amateur at keyboard?

[signal aspen]

🤣

[warm nimbus]

is that a yes or a no

[signal aspen]

🤣

[warm nimbus]

🤣?

[signal aspen]

🤣

[warm nimbus]

🤣

[raw herald]

🤣

[warm nimbus]

😂

[patent mesa]

🤣

am I the only person who absolutely despises those blue things in asphodel

[mint coral]

The crystals or the sword/spear/bows

[patent mesa]

no the blue skeletons

I swear they always stunlock me even when unarmored

[mint coral]

Reading issue

[warm nimbus]

THOSE ONES

[mint coral]

I saw blue and my mind went to elysium

[warm nimbus]

i hate them so much

[patent mesa]

so you have reading issue and I have skill issue :(

[mint coral]

Nah i also hate them

[patent mesa]

lmao nice

[warm nimbus]

its really bad on fo2 lmao

[mint coral]

They wont stop hitting and they wont stop hitting

[hot surge]

Who is everybody's favorite of the Furies?
Mine is Tis, she's adorable

[patent mesa]

meg, I think she's the easiest

tis is nice if you already have mega damage and can exploit the fewer phases

[warm nimbus]

tisiphone is easiest followed by meg and then alecto is hardest

amazing how well balanced the furies are that everyone has different opinions on which is hardest

[patent mesa]

smh surely everyone agrees that alecto is bad

[warm nimbus]

idk i bet there are people who think otherwise

[hot surge]

I meant personality, not gameplay
But yeah Tis is the easiest for gameplay

[warm nimbus]

well in terms of personality we dont really get to see a lot of tisiphone or alecto so i cant really say

[hot surge]

I just feel like Tis needs a friend

The Fates are gonna show her a single True Crime or Detective show and she will immediately have a hobby

[mint coral]

I love zag interactions with tis

"can you say zag?"
"Murderrrrr"
||Turns out she can :p||

[humble hazel]

Oh my god I’m so close I got half way through the ||hades|| boss fight

[mint coral]

Spoilers are fine here

But you got this!

[lean timber]

alecto is the hardest imo as well

i like meg and tisiphone equally in terms of gameplay but character wise i like tisiphone more

i won't forget my first hades fight ||after his health bar refilled i audibly shouted "THERE'S A SECOND PHASE?" and immediately got game over'd by the ring he sends out on revival lmfao||

[humble hazel]

Ya that’s pretty much what happened to me

[mint coral]

I knew of the shockwave yet still died to it lmao

[warm nimbus]

i expected the second phase lmao

[humble hazel]

I hope the endings good the narrative of the game has been really good so far

[lean timber]

there's more past what you think is the end

it's a good story

well, that actually wasn't my first hades fight. it was my first fight that got past his 1st phase. he killed a bunch before then lol

that was what i meant

[hot surge]

Exactly the same, I had 4 hp left

[chrome wharf]

Tis is my fave, bc I too was murder obsessed as a kid

[hot surge]

Honestly every single time I hear Alecto my brain stops and has to remind myself that isn't Grey Griffin

Tis is my favorite, while Alecto and Meg are tied

Every Supergiant game I've played has always had the same reaction of "Welp, time to hyperfixate AGAIN"

[latent moon]

alecto is my least favorite for the sole purpose that i hate her spinny things

[hot surge]

I like her spinnies!

She fashioned those beyblades with her blood, sweat, and tears!

[latent moon]

visually nice, but i keep getting slapped by those lol

[hot surge]

You can't facetank Alecto, she's the most zoning-heavy

Tis is the easiest for facetanking, Meg is just right in the middle, and Alecto is all about poking

[latent moon]

yeah but i face tank anyways because my philosophy is that the closer i am to them, the easier and faster i can deal damage

[hot surge]

Gilgamesh is good for facetanking her since you have the extra dashes

[latent moon]

with the right build early on face tanking is possible like with beowulf but i can't be bothered to make a difference

so i face tank with all except bow and rail

there's a well afterwards anyway lol

[mint coral]

Any fury can be face tanked if you grab heavens vengeance

[latent moon]

my strategy is objectively bad but it's fun until i die

[hot surge]

Honestly, the aggressive hyperfixation on every Supergiant property just leads to me making fan-content expansions at mach 12

Like

Someone needs to tell my brain to stop

please i haven't slept in 8 days

[lean timber]

imagine not having dark regen for solely this purpose

i do not care about the meta if i like to get slapped i will make sure i can heal from it

(yes i only run low heats)

[outer comet]

Valid

[latent moon]

i still have bounties to complete so im not using dark regen lol

also i'd rather have the other one for more consistency

[lean timber]

L this dude's actually playing the game lmao

could not be me

[latent moon]

i mean if i feel like doing a scuffed speed run i'll go low heat but i'm not using dark regen lol

[mint coral]

Dark regen feels weird specially cause i cant keeo high confidence at all

[latent moon]

oh is high confidence better?

[rustic vale]

+25% above 80% hp right?

[mint coral]

Well, if you have high confidence on keeping your hp high

[rustic vale]

if you can keep your hp it's good

[mint coral]

Wrong reply