h1-discussion

[reef zodiac]

Imo forcing boons is better

Butterfly sucks even for hitless

[patent mesa]

seriously why do people love butterfly so much

you lose all control and it murders TD

[ancient sigil]

what is butterfly

aspect?

[mint coral]

Than keepsake

[reef zodiac]

Pierced Butterfly keepsake

[ancient sigil]

o

[signal aspen]

Evolved form of caterpillar

[ancient sigil]

the butterfly sucks always

lmao

[reef zodiac]

Yep

[ancient sigil]

I struggled to get the 30% dmg ach lmao

cuz I was using fists

[patent mesa]

bruh

[ancient sigil]

funi

[signal aspen]

Fists gang

[ancient sigil]

but even with weapons that let u stay far away its no good

[reef zodiac]

You could join the TeamHitless discord server if you want specific advice from experienced hitless Hades players

[patent mesa]

oooh fun

sure

[reef zodiac]

I found hitless Hestia to be a bit easier than 50 heat

And significantly more fun since it’s way less RNG (outside of Styx)

[patent mesa]

what was your 50 heat?

[reef zodiac]

I’m a Beo one-trick

[patent mesa]

heck yeah

[reef zodiac]

For heat at least

[patent mesa]

what do you leave alone for beo 50 heat?

[reef zodiac]

I’ve done Beo 53 but no other (unseeded) 50s

[patent mesa]

RI?

[reef zodiac]

#h1-victory-boasting message

[twin thistle]

hestia is also one of the worst to put butterfly on because you get a lot of +dmg from hunter dash/chaos lunge lol

[reef zodiac]

True

But I still don’t consider butterfly on anything else tbh

[patent mesa]

aw man is that HS

wait I'm on hell mode

[reef zodiac]

HS is good starting at around 40

If you’re on hell mode you will want to do CP1

Definitely use HS for 50

CP2 EM4 is hell anyway

[patent mesa]

man having to run HS sounds awful

[reef zodiac]

It’s not too bad

[patent mesa]

lernie moment

[twin thistle]

yeah no hs mean you need more js, cp, or cf

aka rip timer

[reef zodiac]

There are so many things that are so much worse trust me

[patent mesa]

DC not even in conversation?

I ran it for 40

[reef zodiac]

It’s in conversation

[twin thistle]

aspect dependent

[reef zodiac]

But it’s very bad

[patent mesa]

beo passion flare

[reef zodiac]

I used DC1 for my Beo 52

[twin thistle]

horrid for beo

[reef zodiac]

It sucks but it’s better than RI

[patent mesa]

oh rip

[twin thistle]

loaded bull rush is a lot of damage

both the bulleush itself and the casts

[patent mesa]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/661812833771847703/970236107306438746/unknown.png here was my run yesterday

[reef zodiac]

DC1 is worth considering for Beo 51 and 52. But not 53 or 54 lmao

Since AP2 DC1 is very bad

[patent mesa]

wait I thought I ran DC1

nvm

[reef zodiac]

And DC2 is insanely bad

[patent mesa]

cuz then that starts eating casts on everything

makes sense

[reef zodiac]

Well yeah, one snow burst to clear hearts is fine but two is super bad

[patent mesa]

is charged shot good at high heat?

[heavy sigil]

what heat should i run for 40 heat hestia?

[patent mesa]

I feel it makes me faster but less safe

[reef zodiac]

It’s good except for EM4

[patent mesa]

hm so I guess take if you're running out of time

[reef zodiac]

#h1-victory-boasting message

[patent mesa]

how come shadow? thought fiery was better

[heavy sigil]

o thanks

[reef zodiac]

LMAO I LITERALLY DID NOT NOTICE

Yes fiery is better

[patent mesa]

bruh lmao

[reef zodiac]

Shadow is definitely not good for Beo

Maybe I noticed at some point but it definitely was an accident to use shadow there

[twin thistle]

fiery can gimped a tiny bit by snowburst ig

[reef zodiac]

Nah there’s not really an argument to be made there imo

[patent mesa]

man doing 50 heat beo or 40 heat other stuff/32 heat fists means I'll have to throw away my win streak

[heavy sigil]

i hate forced overtime 😩 should i just remove fo and put in some approval process and pray for good rng

[reef zodiac]

No

Probably not

[patent mesa]

AP1 is fine for hestia isn't it

[twin thistle]

ap1 is fine ap2 no

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but AP0 comfy

[heavy sigil]

hm

[reef zodiac]

Better hammers and chaos and also smair

[heavy sigil]

ill run AP0 for now

[patent mesa]

actually the 40 heat hestia meta is RI4

[reef zodiac]

You’re probably gonna have to get used to FO2

[patent mesa]

easy

[heavy sigil]

yeah 😩

[patent mesa]

tbh I relate

I can't stand FO2 on non shield

[reef zodiac]

I’m used to it

[heavy sigil]

the move speed is rlly annoying bc i miss half of my shots

[patent mesa]

EM3 FO2 asterius is on some major bs

[reef zodiac]

It’s still bad but I’m used to it

[reef zodiac]

Oh I’m about to change your world

[heavy sigil]

uh

[reef zodiac]

Turn “aim at cursor” off

[patent mesa]

go on

[reef zodiac]

Make sure auto-aim is on

Now you can’t miss if you try

[heavy sigil]

wait does that work like how controller works

💀

wtf

[patent mesa]

what the hell

I need to try this

[heavy sigil]

ok uh

hestia is

pretty brainhead then

[reef zodiac]

“You can cancel your reload into a special and you can cancel your special into a cast and you can cancel your cast into a dash”

• Duunk0 describing how to play Hestia

[heavy sigil]

u mean aim assist?

[signal aspen]

You guys have aim on cursor on for rail 🗿

[patent mesa]

uh yeah lol

I didn't realize it was trash

[heavy sigil]

oh i saw that and i was like nah im good im just doing shoot reload shoot

yo this feels like cheats lmao

[reef zodiac]

That’s a good starting point

EXACTLY

[heavy sigil]

nah this aint rigjt

[patent mesa]

does it shoot towards your direction?

[signal aspen]

It's not completely cheating

[heavy sigil]

im still gunna aim with this on just justify this

[heavy sigil]

u can play mouseless

lmao

[signal aspen]

Sometimes it'll bug out

[patent mesa]

clearly not aim at cursor is meta for beo too right

[signal aspen]

Like when you kill a lernie head sometimes you will keep shooting where the head was even tho it's dead

[heavy sigil]

o

that would suck a lot

[patent mesa]

@heavy sigil is it really straight up auto-aim?

[signal aspen]

No

[heavy sigil]

yeah lmak

[patent mesa]

lol sorry that was a dumb joke

[signal aspen]

[patent mesa]

how do you aim bull rush without mouse

[signal aspen]

I use touchscreen

Or a wii remote

[patent mesa]

sus

[heavy sigil]

alr time to try 40 heat with killaura on

[signal aspen]

Another fun thing with rail is em4 pots

Literally won't shoot hades only pots

[heavy sigil]

oh for hades id prob turn off aim auto mid run

[signal aspen]

No

No

[heavy sigil]

bc he is easy to hit anyways

[signal aspen]

No

[heavy sigil]

what

[signal aspen]

Why

[reef zodiac]

Simply play on controller

[heavy sigil]

bro i hate wishes

witches

armored ones

theres like 3 million of them in a room

and the bullet speed is insane

[reef zodiac]

Entering Furies at sub2:20 on 51 heat

JS1 CP1

[heavy sigil]

ok

if i choke this run

im legit gunna cru

i have epic aphro attack, epic battle rage, epic divine dash, piercing fire and a boon to sell with 2 rerolls coming out of the first boss

and epic chaos attack boon-

and thantos room-

ok heroic art attack or epic aprho attack

i think keep heartbreak but im not sure

[slim geyser]

what wep

[heavy sigil]

hestia

[mint coral]

Keep aphro tbh

Easier to hit breakpoints

[slim geyser]

yeah

[heavy sigil]

i mean i have the choice of epic hunter mark

so

[slim geyser]

though.. red boon

[mint coral]

Artemis % increase isnt that much so

You get the 15% no matter the rarity

[slim geyser]

but yeah ud say keep aphro

[patent mesa]

agreed on artemis hestia being kinda crummy

[heavy sigil]

lmao i do 960 dmg consistently

[patent mesa]

bruh

[reef zodiac]

Arty Hesty stinky

Even with chaos and Hunter dash

[patent mesa]

bad hunter's mark synergy smh

[reef zodiac]

And Hunter’s mark

[mint coral]

Arty is fine on special anyways

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[patent mesa]

actually just pom pressure points enough to make it 100% on crits

then artemis > aphro

[reef zodiac]

What

No if you had 100% PP then Aphro would be better

[patent mesa]

oh lol true

but hey with artemis you'd only need lvl81 pressure points

[olive pasture]

what's a good build for achilles spear

[reef zodiac]

Flurry jab

[olive pasture]

What's that

[patent mesa]

op hammer

[olive pasture]

It's been like a year or so since I last played hades

[mint coral]

Hold attack for repeated attacks, cant spin attack

[patent mesa]

I hate how achilles spear basically requires good hammer and/or chaos rng

too high roll for me

[olive pasture]

OH cool

What's a good keepsake for achilles

[patent mesa]

apparently all the speedrunners start poseidon??

[mint coral]

Start tidal dash and take either artemis/zeus whoever shows up first

[olive pasture]

Ok

What's tidal dash

[heavy sigil]

still died 💀

[mint coral]

Poseidon dash

[patent mesa]

rip

[olive pasture]

I don't have Posiedon's cup

Or thingy

Like keepsake

Maybe I should get that

[patent mesa]

yeah just grab some nectar

[heavy sigil]

fricking armored archers

[olive pasture]

what do the keys do

I forgot

[patent mesa]

early game they're op, unlocks mirror and weapons

https://i.imgur.com/csNuYph.png lmao

[olive pasture]

hey uh

between quick favour, second wind and hyper sprint which would be best

[reef zodiac]

Zeus is so good though

Cleared 64 heat routed, and has 3 62 heat clears

[raw herald]

Hyper sprint

[olive pasture]

wat does the exclamation mark inside the circle stone mean

is this the lyre guy?

[raw herald]

Depends what biome you’re in

It’s a story room, you’ll meet an npc

[olive pasture]

uh

I'm in the final fight

it's a bit nerve racking

nvm i beat him

[patent mesa]

oh yeah zeus is op for sure I just haven't used it enough

[heavy sigil]

why is 40 heat like 20 times harder then 32 ._.

[mint coral]

Start stacking more pacts in general

Heat snowballs hard

[patent widget]

I love farming gemstones

The house of hades is almost done

Just need 3000+ more gemstones and 4-5 diamonds

[reef zodiac]

Going from 30 to 32, you have a ton of options. You could take a bit more hl, or maybe take cf2.
Going from 38 to 40, you have a lot less options. Maybe you have to take JS. Or DC2

[umbral parrot]

Im on 9 heat

My record is 13

Idek how i made it

With achilles spear

[fresh steppe]

Achilles spear is good

[heavy sigil]

is stubborn roots effected by LC?

[umbral parrot]

I cant do that with the same pacts using beowulf right now

[heavy sigil]

i need answer like rn 😩

[umbral parrot]

I tried to imitate what the speedrunners did yesterday

I somehow got charged shot in tartarus

My first hammer

It was a 17 minute again because of styx, though

I somehow spend 7 minutes in styx and hades

Im spending 10 minutes in first 3 biomes but spend 7 in dad and styx

[patent mesa]

no

[idle gate]

After all this time I can’t believe I just noticed that Hallowed Ground disables floor traps, clears away landmines and allows me to walk all over lava unhindered and undamaged

[umbral parrot]

What is hallowed ground

[gray apex]

Arthur Sword Special Aura

[umbral parrot]

[gray apex]

[umbral parrot]

I have 2 hidden aspects left to open

What is the hidden aspect for the gauntlets?

[gray apex]

It's Gilgamesh

You can read about their prereqs and what to do in #h1-story-discussion pins

[umbral parrot]

Ohh, Gilgamesh

The prerequirements are just spending 5 titan blood on the weapon i think

Hidden aspects are apparently easy to unlock

[olive pasture]

is dark foresight generally better than olympian favour

[gray apex]

Always

Dark Foresight is one of the strongest upgrades in the whole mirror, almost never worth switching off of it

[olive pasture]

sick

and for achilles spear which poseidon boon is best

[gray apex]

Dash

[olive pasture]

what it do

[short glen]

Dash but water

[gray apex]

Knock stuff away when you dash and do beeg damage

Afterwards you're mostly looking for Shoals and Bwave

[olive pasture]

also i got this orange jar thingy

[gray apex]

And some duos maybe

[olive pasture]

i think its ambrosia, what does it do

[gray apex]

You use it to improve relationship with NPCs

[olive pasture]

oka

[gray apex]

Probably wont use it for a while

But keep it

[olive pasture]

ty

[signal aspen]

Nah

[gray apex]

[idle gate]

🦾 🦾
🦿 🦿

Almost

Hold on

Almost got it

Okay now he can throw hands with Hades

[patent widget]

For some reason I like Olympian favor way more

That 10% chance to get duo & legendary boons is a game changer

[gray apex]

That's the wrong one

[fresh steppe]

lmao

[gray apex]

You're referring to God's Legacy

[patent widget]

Oh

💀

[dense meadow]

i have solid proof of what Mike just said.... dark foresight is just too good. i used to run the boon that gave rare + chances on boons, and i ended up getting ridiculously low number of boons during some unlucky runs. made failures easier. after i switched the mirror to dark foresight i can rarely lose... its a huge difference when it comes to getting more buffs and boons for the run. it simply makes runs consistent. Plus it makes Duos appear more regularly too.

[elfin osprey]

Idk why i like to spam interact on a usable item/object that you cant use yet

So the object vibrate

Kinda funny

[hexed void]

I only use God's Favor for the prophecy completion =X

Felt so much like a handicap

[heavy sigil]

how does dash striking work for hestia?

[patent mesa]

agreed, I strongly believe olympian favor to be the worst mirror option by far relative to its flip side

[gray apex]

Just dash then press attack, that counts as a dash-strike

[heavy sigil]

rlly?

o thanks

[patent mesa]

I remember picking up a big dash strike boost from chaos with hestia and trying to do that

it's way harder with aim at cursor but I assume super easy to do with auto aim

[gray apex]

Auto-aim is just too good on rails

[heavy sigil]

can someone explain BP

like what r some of the buffs given to armoured enemies

i swear some of them get DC from BP

and its annoying af

like i remember a rlly rlly good rng 40 heat run dying bc 4 armored archers were clumped in a corner and just not dying

[devout terrace]

Shifter: teleport
Bruiser: +50% hp
Slugger: double damage
Puller: lol
Savior: gives the blue DC hearts to nearby enemies
Speeder: +50% speed
Linker: lasers between enemies that do damage
Cloner: makes clones
Burner: makes lava pools
Seeker: homing projectiles
Popper: makes the elysium soldiers spawn exploding fake respawn eyes

[patent mesa]

god I hate slugger

[heavy sigil]

can any armoured enemies get any of these buffs?

[patent mesa]

popper only for elysian warriors of course

[heavy sigil]

also whats the difference between BP1 and BP2

[patent mesa]

and burner in asphodel

[gray apex]

1 buff 2 buffs

to enemies

[heavy sigil]

if DC is removed with BP1 im legit gunna take

oh

uh

[patent mesa]

it can still show up

[gray apex]

cloners are also only tart

[heavy sigil]

yeah but much less likely

idk

[patent mesa]

clone seems fine until it suddenly isn't

[heavy sigil]

i might run AP1 instead BP2

[patent mesa]

eh I don't think it's ever worth to go below BP2 for 32+

it's too much heat

[gray apex]

How much heat are you doing

AP1 is 40+ lands

[heavy sigil]

40

[patent mesa]

I say run both

[heavy sigil]

[patent mesa]

then you can crank down on the top row insanity

[gray apex]

You're gonna need BP2 at 40

[patent mesa]

yeah it's either BP2 or like EM4

[gray apex]

Take BP2 either way

[heavy sigil]

most of my runs die from either enemies having busted BP2 combos or from heros/hades doing so much dmg

[patent mesa]

what weapon is this?

[heavy sigil]

nah actually all my runs die from those 2

hestia

[gray apex]

What's your current heat pb

[patent mesa]

that's right

[heavy sigil]

32

[patent mesa]

I went straight from 32 to 40

[gray apex]

It should be an okay jump

[patent mesa]

but that was beowulf carry

[patent mesa]

what's current pact?

[heavy sigil]

wdym

im trying 40 rn

[patent mesa]

what heats are you running rn

[heavy sigil]

uh

[patent mesa]

no RI I assume

[heavy sigil]

yeah

[patent mesa]

hey as long as it's no RI it's probably a good pact

[gray apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/970724874425368616/Discord_uPpI8T7Nq4.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/970724996882243724/Discord_q48WW3bVta.png
Both of those pacts are pretty comfy for Hestia

[heavy sigil]

i just need to get used to EM3, FO2, and HI

[patent mesa]

you on hell mode?

[heavy sigil]

nah

[patent mesa]

bummer

[gray apex]

Not a good option for 40

CP is a painful pact

Hellmode is nice for 45+

Before that it's just unnecessary

[patent mesa]

hm I think I preferred it for 40

[gray apex]

Hestia needs to hit breakpoints anyway

[patent mesa]

yeah that makes sense

beo is a little better on hell mode

especially since it handles JS trivially

[heavy sigil]

also in terms of builds

[gray apex]

Probably best just starting with a non common Aphro attack

[heavy sigil]

i just go aphro attack + athena keepsake next biome and then pray

[gray apex]

And then look for Divine dash and maybe a good Special boon if you get a nice hammer to go with it

[heavy sigil]

and then double acorn

[green lion]

Hey i wanna know if the game is worth buying i have nothing to play and i wanna try the roguelike genre since the game has a discount on ps4 i've been thinking of buying it just asking to get your opinions

[gray apex]

Yea that should be okay

[patent mesa]

lol same

[strong ridge]

yes

[heavy sigil]

oh yeah i rlly need to use more speicals

[heavy sigil]

i mean its the hades discord

[gray apex]

Special is quite important to cancel reload animations

You can use your dash too

But I find myself using the Special more often

[green lion]

i know but i'm still not sure

[heavy sigil]

i only use my dash to cancel reload

[heavy sigil]

rlly??

damn

[patent mesa]

best 40 heat hestia is to start with poseidon attack

[gray apex]

Yea

[heavy sigil]

do u reload special dash attack?

[gray apex]

It can depend a bit on the hammer

With Rocket it's very comfy

[patent mesa]

@gray apex what's your ranking of the hestia attack hammers?

[heavy sigil]

i think rico>rocket>cluster/piercing

tho without any other speical hammers piercing>cluster

[gray apex]

It depends on the room, but usually I either
Cancel the first reload with a Dash then dash strike -> Special -> Reload -> Dash strike again or
Special -> Reload -> dash strike repeat

For Hestia Rocket or Hazard are my preferred hammers

[patent mesa]

yep of course, hazard kinda op

[gray apex]

If not offered, Ricochet/Piercing/Cluster/Targeting are okay

[heavy sigil]

i love rico

like

idk its just so good

[patent mesa]

assume rico is best attack pick

[heavy sigil]

ye

[gray apex]

Maybe

[patent mesa]

I like explosive too tbh

[heavy sigil]

i mean i dont use specials as much as i should so thats why i love rico more then other hammers

[patent mesa]

really helpful in elysium when you can just shoot at a soul

[gray apex]

Explosive is just a worse Ricochet that usually ends up being useless

[strong ridge]

take it back

[gray apex]

Because the shot itself doesnt get more damage it just gets a bit more aoe

And slows enemies which is not amazing because you should be going through those pretty quickly

[heavy sigil]

i feel like piercing helps me to one shot armor in elysium, and ignoring sheilds is very cool

[patent mesa]

oh it's worse for sure

[gray apex]

Piercing also nice against Theseus Shield

Can just shoot through it

[heavy sigil]

ye

[patent mesa]

I just think it's not all as bad as it's made out to be

[gray apex]

Rail has lots of nice picks

[patent mesa]

I also used to like seeking since it does slightly affect power shot trajectory but with auto aim guess it's useless

[heavy sigil]

also the more i look at this im thinking what the hell am i doing

like

i feel like im using more heat then that but still am at 40

[patent mesa]

lol mood

HL5?

[heavy sigil]

i have that

i think

im not home rn so i cant check

[patent mesa]

definitely great on hestia but my friend recommended it on beo 40 and I just couldn't imagine

my 40 heat was forced HL1 I think

[gray apex]

Can just block

I'd rather have it on Beo

Instead of any other aspect

Block and Bullrush

[patent mesa]

idk there's that beo dash bug right

[heavy sigil]

HL5 makes heros fight so hard

[gray apex]

HL5 with EM3 is quite rough yea

[patent mesa]

lol yeah asterius spin hits for like 80 doesn't it

[heavy sigil]

the stupid minotaur attacks in lightspeed

[gray apex]

And you have FO2 here

[heavy sigil]

yeah and the spin

[gray apex]

Which one

[heavy sigil]

i like need acorn

[patent mesa]

lmao bruh

[gray apex]

Acorn is very valuable for Heroes

[patent mesa]

specifically the losing invincibility bug

[gray apex]

Especially when you dont get patty

And your hp pool is small

[patent mesa]

can we talk about how messed up it is that pat makes or breaks high heat runs

[gray apex]

Yea it's not that big of a deal I dont think I actually got caught by that yet

[patent mesa]

I hate that

[gray apex]

Pat in high heat is too strong

[heavy sigil]

wait

[gray apex]

but what can you do

[heavy sigil]

for pat u get the more hp right

[patent mesa]

always

[gray apex]

You get more healing yea

[heavy sigil]

alr

[gray apex]

80% is massive

[patent mesa]

sd hp that is

[heavy sigil]

isnt it 50%?

[patent mesa]

+50 you could say

[gray apex]

It's +50

[heavy sigil]

oh

[gray apex]

So your initial 30% and another 50%

[heavy sigil]

wait thats more then double

and it lasts 15 rooms right

[patent mesa]

that sd well item is really nice tbh

[gray apex]

yea

[heavy sigil]

sheesh

[gray apex]

If you get a 2 sack in Styx you keep it til the end

no matter which room he is

[patent mesa]

2 sack should be guaranteed at TD3 change my mind

[gray apex]

If you get him in the last Ely encounter he can still last through a 3 sack

[strong ridge]

mod it up

[patent mesa]

true

haven't touched mods yet but I might have to for >40

[gray apex]

You can play on the Modded speedrun pack which is official for leaderboards

Smoothes some pretty annoying rng mechanics that you usually just reset for anyway

[patent mesa]

that extra legitimacy sounds nice

[gray apex]

It's obviously gives an edge but when everyone is running the same mods and has that same edge idc

[patent mesa]

I remember trying my first speedrun with beo, getting great rng, then three sack tiny vermin for like a second above 10min

[gray apex]

And you get a lot more runs going with it

[patent mesa]

then never again

[gray apex]

So you end up practicing a lot

[patent mesa]

that sounds really nice

[gray apex]

When you go back to no mods you can achieve more

my pbs are all the same now

Modded unmodded heat speedrun it's all the same

[heavy sigil]

i remember i lost the patty buff the room before hades on a 3 sac

[strong ridge]

best unmodded is just modded in disguise

[patent mesa]

does speedrun mod change first boon other than all four cores?

[heavy sigil]

i had athena dd and sd

[patent mesa]

eg rarity

[gray apex]

no

[heavy sigil]

and i thought this was an easy win

[patent mesa]

gotcha

[gray apex]

Rarity is still just random

But it's 4 cores so you dont have to roll for the thing

[patent mesa]

feel like it should guarantee rare tbh

[heavy sigil]

but hades legit one shot all my dds and i lost at half hp 2nd phase

[strong ridge]

dodg

[patent mesa]

rip

[gray apex]

It's not that bad given that a lot of builds run God's Pride and you're also using a keepsake to force it which grants rarity

[strong ridge]

what kept hitting u

[gray apex]

Aswell as having a quick reset in the pack

[heavy sigil]

idk i was just playing dumb

[gray apex]

so you can die in place as opposed to watching a witch kill you for 3 minutes

[patent mesa]

can you apply mod to one save slot only?

[gray apex]

No

[patent mesa]

aw

[gray apex]

Mods apply to the game not the specific files

[heavy sigil]

wait what

[gray apex]

But if you remove them the save works fine still

[heavy sigil]

and 4 boon choices?

hold up

im not gunna like get fbied if i use this for high heat?

tho it feels sort of wrong

[patent mesa]

it's only starting boon

[heavy sigil]

oh

[gray apex]

yea

[heavy sigil]

wait thats good

[mint coral]

Modpack also disables AP for the first boon

[patent mesa]

lmao four choices for everything would be super messed up

[heavy sigil]

usually i roll first boon

[gray apex]

yea

[heavy sigil]

ap?

[gray apex]

it's for that reason

Approval process

[heavy sigil]

oo

[patent mesa]

that's a great design choice too

[mint coral]

Less resetting good

[patent mesa]

is it also first hammer all options I recall?

[heavy sigil]

wait does the mod work for mac

[gray apex]

yes

[gray apex]

First hammer is of your choice

[patent mesa]

guaranteed charged shot sounds nice

[heavy sigil]

alr getting that tonight

[gray apex]

can be whatever you want

yea

[heavy sigil]

rlly?

bro isnt using that for high heat sort of cheating

[patent mesa]

damn time to put a fist hammer on shield

lmao jk

[heavy sigil]

i mean ig its just good rng consistently for only the first room

[mint coral]

Why is bow first hammer triple shot

[gray apex]

If you're interested in it, join the speedrunning discord pinned in #self-promotion and check the modification station channel pins

[gray apex]

it's twin now

on 1.2

[mint coral]

Oh

[gray apex]

well for rama atleast

[strong ridge]

mike i forgor hazard bomb eris trick

[patent mesa]

as a professional eris player the secret is to dash just before getting hit then instinctively shooting so you take damage anyways

[gray apex]

||dash||

[strong ridge]

god bless

[mint coral]

The secret to that is just get delta chamber

[gray apex]

Indeed

The blursed combo

Hazard Delta

[mint coral]

Hazard delta best combo for eris

[gray apex]

Unironically really good

[patent mesa]

is delta good notwithstanding bug for eris?

I never use eris so idk

[mint coral]

Delta gives you iframes on dash strike

[gray apex]

Delta just preserves your dash iframes when dash striking

[patent mesa]

yep yep

[gray apex]

So you can just hold the button

forever

[patent mesa]

but it also changes attack pattern doesn't it

[gray apex]

yea it's a 3 round burst and no reloading

It's a very minor dps loss if you look at the numbers but practically it really isnt because you end up being able to attack a lot more often where without it you would just stop attacking so you can dodge

So yea when it comes to High heat Eris it's pretty amazing

Very safe pick

[patent mesa]

got it

I need eris 32 at some point so I'll keep that in mind

[gray apex]

Can also always just get clockets

[heavy sigil]

@gray apex can u like

enable/disable certain rules of the mod

[gray apex]

It's all configurable yes

You can just try it

If you dont like it just uninstall it

[heavy sigil]

o alr

🙏 only 2 sacs from now on yessir

[warm nimbus]

almost got the perfect styx shredder, but alas

[patent mesa]

what are the mod's miniboss changes?

is it just no barge and asterius

[gray apex]

And no tiny vermin

[heavy sigil]

@gray apex

where do u put the mod file?

[gray apex]

Check pinned messages in #modded-runs

[deep grotto]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932234324424658957/970768242920534036/Screenshot_2.png

why did i smash the ground

is it bc i had knock away or sth

[indigo ether]

Nice!

[bold solstice]

was talking to one of my friends about hades at school and decided to get back into it and dive straight into a new hell mode game, wish me luck

[elfin osprey]

Where i can reach dev?

I have a steam cloud sync probl :/

And steam did try to help me but it dont work

[gray apex]

Try #h1-tech-support

[elfin osprey]

Like i have datta form 2020

In my cloud

LOL

and i cant erease them somehow

[warm nimbus]

charon stole my hammer from tartarus and put it in his shop at the end of asphodel and i dont have enough money to purchase it

i love this game

this has been a really rough run lmao

[deep grotto]

how exactly d,d he steal the hammer?

i never had that type of exp.

[warm nimbus]

it was a joke- the hammer just never showed up

[deep grotto]

oh it went over my head hah

[elfin osprey]

I think my 2020game file

Still in the early

I finish the game on it

But dont have acces to the hall of fame?

I think it call that idk

Where you can see you finished run

[mint coral]

admin chamber is a work order thing

can get credits without unlocking it

[elfin osprey]

Hooo so my file dont even have that

Hm 🤔

So the probl happen even before

[heavy sigil]

bro

i dont think i can beat hades with sd

one revive only so such a small health pool

i thought i was good at this fight but now i realise dd was my crutch

[mint coral]

do you know about athena DDs trick?

[heavy sigil]

nah i think this is a mental thing ive done hades without dying

[heavy sigil]

yeah

wait does FO effect hades?

[mint coral]

yeah

[heavy sigil]

o 💀 das why

welp gotta practice this

[strong ridge]

weak can be big

[mint coral]

Chill too, tho idk what weapon are you trying with

[strong ridge]

frozen touch /snow burst are p independent sources

[heavy sigil]

hestia

[mint coral]

slap Dem special on it

[gray apex]

Epic Demeter Attack is also solid

[strong ridge]

make sure u r playin around the outside pillars it changes how hades engages and u can dash thru em

[gray apex]

Moreso since you have CP0

[heavy sigil]

ok ill do 40 heat minus LC CF and AP

[strong ridge]

probably keep lc if ur using sd

[heavy sigil]

so i can run dd, and then do that until im consistently beating it

and then run sd with 40

[strong ridge]

put ur pact somewhere

[heavy sigil]

uh

#h1-victory-boasting ig?

[strong ridge]

ok

[hexed void]

Is it too cheesy to pop in a run to see what the first room will give you and then give up and use that information to decide what weapon/trinket to bring?

[mint coral]

single player game, who cares

[gray apex]

I don’t think it’s personally helpful

Like if you get a hammer then change weapons it’ll be a different hammer

And you’re gonna take a god keepsake usually so it’s not like you’re checking what god it is

But yea just play the way you enjoy

[hexed void]

Yeah, but at least if you were relying on it being a boon and it's not, it doesn't hamstring you for a bit

[gray apex]

Doesn’t really matter

[hexed void]

Aight, mostly curious on the thought either way. Thanks.

[mint coral]

i did this when i wanted to see if i could play a hammer dependant aspect asap lol

[gray apex]

[hexed void]

The thought came up when I saw that swapping trinkets seemed to give the same base boons

[gray apex]

Yea

Same rarity too

[mint coral]

most of the time rarity wont matter tooo much

tho is nice to have on some

[hexed void]

Like I would swap to Poseidon in a heartbeat if I saw a purple dash

[gray apex]

It’s not that huge of a deal when a big portion of the dash scaling is from poms

[hexed void]

Just super convenient

[gray apex]

It’s something

[signal aspen]

Unmodded moment 🗿

[mint coral]

truly an unmodded moment

[patent mesa]

one thing I do sometimes is if I see a good starting boon I'll take pom for free levels on it

I'm waiting for rare/epic crush shot to show up before nabbing hera 32

[mint coral]

casts is like one of the things rarity barely matters lol

just pom it all the time

[hexed void]

When would you care about the rarity?

[mint coral]

hermes/chaos/some flat dmg like doom

also aphro attack

[hexed void]

So Zeus on gloves/hidden aspect bow, for example

[mint coral]

nah zeus attack is fine

jolted maybe a bit?

can still slap some poms and call it a day

but it stinks on like doom attack where common is 50 and epic is 100

[hexed void]

Having things kill themselves with Jolted is fun 😄

[warm nimbus]

im on kbm - are there any situations in which you would want to turn aim assist off? if so, when?

[signal aspen]

I've heard that auto aim hera is bad but I can't really tell the difference

@gray apex explain

[elfin osprey]

If i want play auto atk

I need the boxing glove?

[signal aspen]

You don't need it

[heavy sigil]

does anyone know much about modding on mac

theres no content folder

[elfin osprey]

The more optimal weapon for aa

[signal aspen]

You can ask in #modification-staion in the speedcord

[fresh steppe]

Eris

[heavy sigil]

o thanks i forgot that was a server 💀

[fresh steppe]

It’s good

[elfin osprey]

Eris?

[fresh steppe]

Gun aspect

[elfin osprey]

Ha

Like last one?

Idk how to get it

[fresh steppe]

Just play the game and you’ll get it eventually

[elfin osprey]

And also the honor walls or idk

Is in ouest hall?

I only have 4 upgrade for ouest hall

[warm nimbus]

how good is explosive shot on rama?

[modern garnet]

It's not "good" but it is fun

How much are you willing to sacrifice for big number

[warm nimbus]

mmmmm idk

[modern garnet]

I take it every time I can and sometimes I lose the run because of it but thats ok

[warm nimbus]

the other options are relentles volley (ew) and chain shot

[modern garnet]

Mmm

Take a ride on the wild side

[warm nimbus]

alrighty

[mint coral]

gamble on the anvil later if you dont like it

[warm nimbus]

oh god

thats a 50/50 giving up triple

[mint coral]

can get twin shot tho

[warm nimbus]

still not sure about that gamble

well see if theres anvil there anyway

either way this has now turned rama into a complete melee weapon

at least before there was a little bit of wiggle room

i am never taking this again

ok this is bad for rooms but really good for bosses lmao

[elfin osprey]

Ye no

Glove good early

But suck mid game+

[warm nimbus]

i hate this game

[patent widget]

Why is asterius not saying what I want him to say so I can unlock the hidden aspect for the fists?

I thought it’s supposed to be guaranteed

[mint coral]

well is not

is rng whenever he mentions the fists then the phrase itself later

[mint coral]

how bad did it go?

[warm nimbus]

lost triple and pained perfect and sniper

[patent widget]

Oof

Thanks

[mint coral]

anvil has taken away

rip tho

[warm nimbus]

ah well

i still have 4m for hades so i should be good

[strong ridge]

pleny

[elfin osprey]

Okey so

Why the freaking charon is harder then the final boss?

He hit harder then him

[fresh steppe]

dont anger charon lol

he has a lotta upper body strength

[dense meadow]

i found him alright with my hera bow, first try was win but it was in elysium. if you try him in tartarus or asphodel its way harder because you dont have enough buffs at the time. but yeah his patterns are not the easiest to avoid simply because you never trained against him enough. found him in tartarus once and he wrecked me.

[mint coral]

even Nyx tells you to not mess with him

[elfin osprey]

I mean i saw free money 👀

[elfin osprey]

I dont read story

[mint coral]

tho beating him in Tart feels great

having discount for all the other biomes

[elfin osprey]

I read the main story tough

So ik why we want escape

Outside then that

Dont really care about character

[mint coral]

you wont get the dialogues from the best character then

[elfin osprey]

Outside ik they are like onlimpic god or something

[mint coral]

[dense meadow]

in this type of games the side stories are actually the best. 🙂 i mean everything matters

[elfin osprey]

Meh

Im more a gaming guy

Dont really care bout story that much

[mint coral]

wont blame you, i looked the story bits i didnt remember on yt lol

"best character" was just a meme for

[elfin osprey]

I just unlock the gun

Its look bad

[latent moon]

i mean, the reward of 300 gold and discounts throughout the run does warrant the difficulty lol
but also, we're more accustomed to fighting Hades than Charon, so we know Hades' attack pattern much better than Charon. once you learn the attack pattern and whatnot about Charon, it'll be easier to fight. granted, he still hits like a truck and the earlier you face him the harder he is because you have less/worse boons so if you're trying to learn to fight him expect to die a lot lol

[elfin osprey]

Ye no

This gun is the worst

I rather the sword for aa

It more fun and have fun synergy

Why it cost 6key?

No dmg no atk speed medium range

[latent moon]

base weapon for the rail isn't great, although if you pair it with zeus attack you can shred rooms because of the chain

[elfin osprey]

No rng

[latent moon]

i don't use rail a lot, but it does have decent potential

[elfin osprey]

Aint base my run on rng

Go blindly

[latent moon]

you can use keepsakes to get zeus at the start

obv you might not get attack first but there's a pretty good chance you do

[latent moon]

just because it's the last one you unlock probably
the rail was the last weapon added to the game

[elfin osprey]

Meh i rather hammer for start whit swords

[latent moon]

well hammers aren't guaranteed

also you still have a chance to get hammers instead of a boon at the start if you take the keepsake

[elfin osprey]

What keepsake?

[mint coral]

where is the rng on getting zeus attack ch1?

outside of yeah hammer starts

[latent moon]

for rail, probably zeus, but if someone comes along and knows more about the rail than me, feel free to correct me

[mint coral]

you start zeus on non hestia rails

then you start either aphro for heat or tidal dash for zooming

[elfin osprey]

?its random

Aint gonna give up every time cuz i dont have a good start it gonna take hour to get what i want

Better just play the game

[latent moon]

i think when you get boons, you have a greater chance of seeing options for things that go for your attack, special, cast, dash, or call

if they're not filled

[elfin osprey]

What is boons?

[mint coral]

first boon is guaranteed to be 3 of the 4 cores

[latent moon]

the god thingies

[elfin osprey]

You could say buff

[signal aspen]

Every Speedrunner be like

[latent moon]

well the game calls them boons

so we call them boons here

[elfin osprey]

Aint speed run

[signal aspen]

Ok

[elfin osprey]

I just drop in and play whit what the game give me

Cuz the sword is good whit everything

Not op or anything

Just good

[latent moon]

but either way, if you're gonna use rail (or any weapon at all) it's better to start off with a keepsake, you can nearly guarantee a good boon you want and you can still get a chance for hammers regardless

[elfin osprey]

What is keepsake?

Im french game in french

[mint coral]

the things you get from gifting nectar

[latent moon]

next to your sword, there should be a box of some sort where you can pick stuff out of

those are keepsakes

which you get from giving nectar to people like Noob said

[elfin osprey]

Ho kk

[patent widget]

You can also get more items for the house contractor

Like Cerberus’s toys

[elfin osprey]

I did :o

Lil big pup got toys

[versed wraith]

any certain keepsake to use for a bow users?

[latent moon]

Probably Aphrodite, has the largest damage modifier apart from crits

[elfin osprey]

Drufjfhdnfjdkfjjfjk

WHY DID THEY F BUFF DZEUS

Kfkrjfj ssd ufug John cujzjmfkkdfkgs'dkxkkfogxdoo

Its just not possible anymore

Im a be stuck in heat 1 for many year dude wtf

Like you need to kill the shielder but

You need avoid everything

But you deal 20dmg to the shielder

I got like 90% base dmg buff

• like 180% when i dash

And still do 20on them

[merry root]

wait what

[latent moon]

i'm assuming you're in elysium and fighting the shield enemies?

you have to hit them from the back

[elfin osprey]

How im supose to get all tose f gem now?

[elfin osprey]

Final boss

No tose that make ennemy invinsible

You know they take no dmg

[merry root]

Oh boy, Charon is a boss...welp, back to the grind to unlock that

[latent moon]

the crystals?

[elfin osprey]

Ye

Why theyr so tanky

I got so many buff

[latent moon]

those have buffed armor i'm pretty sure

[elfin osprey]

Dude

[latent moon]

you shouldn't be doing 20 damage to them lol they prob just have a lot of shield

[elfin osprey]

90% bonus base dmg + 60%form a passif cuz i die 2 time

[latent moon]

well, optional boss really

[elfin osprey]

And still do poor dmg

[latent moon]

well tbh idk what to say lol, they just have more hp and you need to burn through it

[elfin osprey]

And ive got 200hp so everytime i die i was having 100hp

Like dude game better give me something op afte losing whit that

Even drop a leg that i can dodge dmg every 22sec

[latent moon]

what weapon and boons did you have?

[elfin osprey]

How can i cheek?

[latent moon]

um

you have to buy something from the contractor to see past runs

but it's fine if you dont know exactly, but do you remember some of it?

[elfin osprey]

Ik i was having heal when dash after getting dmg

Take less dmg during dash

[latent moon]

what weapon?

[elfin osprey]

Sword

+84% base dmg

[merry root]

Still though. I had no idea and now I'm excited

[latent moon]

tbh you shouldn't have any problems, so idk what you're doing wrong lol

[elfin osprey]

+30% base dmg everytime i die until battle end

[latent moon]

granted, sword isn't the best weapon but still, you should be doing fine against those crystals

[elfin osprey]

Nop its the reverse

[latent moon]

fair, good luck with him

[elfin osprey]

Theyr tanky like pop

[latent moon]

did you have any duo boons?

[elfin osprey]

Nop

Screu duo

They never got me good

[latent moon]

well some of them are pretty strong

[elfin osprey]

Cuz its change the entire set

So sometime just like a blade

You turn it into idk something wierd

That u rather have a blade

[latent moon]

hammers tend to do that tbh, not duo boons

[elfin osprey]

No

[latent moon]

most people, when they pick a weapon, try to go for a duo boon that helps their weapon and overall damage output

[elfin osprey]

Hammer only give buff

[latent moon]

well for sword, you can get an upgrade where you lose 60% hp but heal every hit
that changes play style pretty massively

but either way

[elfin osprey]

I like this one mix whit hold click auto atk and deal 25dmg

[latent moon]

it's generally better to try and get duo boons

[elfin osprey]

U just cant die at this point

[latent moon]

that's a pretty massive change in playstyle lol

[merry root]

Ares/Aphro duo is nice. Artemis/Ares duo is good too imo

[elfin osprey]

Im someone that yolo it not run around to found windows

[merry root]

But I'm new and haven't tried many duos, so take that opinion as you will

[latent moon]

i mean i dont play sword that much to remember what's good for it, but i know that Merciful End (athena + ares) is pretty strong, just hard to get

[elfin osprey]

Its a rogue like/little? Play it like it

Just yolo

[latent moon]

well i do get the yolo aspect of it, it's just that it'll help you win fights better

the crystals wouldn't be a problem

[elfin osprey]

Well theyr super tanky

[latent moon]

and if you get certain duo boons, your damage per second can skyrocket

[elfin osprey]

I think was just game scrip cuz i did not unlock the sec craft table yet

Then when i when back home

Hey look new craft table apear out of no where!

[latent moon]

the what table

[elfin osprey]

Construtor

[latent moon]

ah

but also

the game doesn't force you to lose to progress the story
you can win on your very first run to get special dialogue, but it doesn't force you to lose the run

[elfin osprey]

Well gonna take you a hour tough

Cuz they make it so only best player can beat it first try

Cuz if you not noticed its just more easy everytry

Unless you missing something in the story

[latent moon]

i mean yeah it's difficult but very possible lol

there's a whole speed running section dedicated to "fresh file runs"

which is 1st win runs

i remember one i watched some time ago, they got lucky with their boons and got merciful end

very strong duo boon, shreds everything

[fresh steppe]

Yeah merciful end is really powerful

[latent moon]

it made me realize that duo boons are actually useful lmao

[fresh steppe]

Mhm

Some are less so than others, but yeah

Like, Curse of longing is just kinda weak compared to merciful end far as I seen

[latent moon]

i think i tried that with beowulf lmao
it was alright, still pretty bad tho

[elfin osprey]

I just noticed

Dont really like the fact you need the bonus weap to trigger some of the buff

[latent moon]

wdym

[elfin osprey]

Force you to play whit other weap

[latent moon]

oh to unlock hidden aspects?

[elfin osprey]

And just for a +2 purple thing

[fresh steppe]

You don’t have to

Just makes it quicker to level up the mirror

[elfin osprey]

But if u dont it gonna stay on the same weap or the other you did not play whit .-.

[latent moon]

well you're not really forced to pick what weapon you play each game except for the bow on your second run or something

[fresh steppe]

I don’t think it’s how that works since I’ve been playing the same weapon for like, speedruns and the buff kept on switching weapons iirc

[latent moon]

oh yeah

it always changes

i've gotten to the point where i don't really need darkness anymore, and it just switches around wherever it feels like

generally not to the weapon i want to use but idrc

[elfin osprey]

I mean i need 25key for the mirror .-.

[latent moon]

the darkness buff on the weapons don't help you get keys for the mirror

you just have to get lucky and always pick the key rooms unfortunately

[fresh steppe]

Yeah

It can be a grind but that’s a part of roguelites

[heavy sigil]

u can trade for keys also

[latent moon]

oh yeah that too

[heavy sigil]

hades is so fast with FO2 it feels like he is lagging

like he skips frames

💀

[mint coral]

i dont remember how fo0 dad is at all lmao

[heavy sigil]

FO0 hades is

like

so much easier

[elfin osprey]

Got f damit

More contenant

[heavy sigil]

its actually insane the diff of just 40% attack/movespeed

[elfin osprey]

I dont like suprise .-.

[mint coral]

like i said i dont remember

[latent moon]

when you turn off fo2 you just end up dashing into attacks because he's so much slower lmao

[mint coral]

fo2 dad is the only way i been playing for a long while

[latent moon]

turn it off and see what happens lol

[heavy sigil]

ive gotten to dad 5 times today 😡 choked last phase

[mint coral]

laziness

[heavy sigil]

fricking fo2

[latent moon]

fair

[elfin osprey]

Hooo sword have atk speed buff 👀

Super sayan mode

Yeet

Only 4k ennemy killed .-.

[ashen hawk]

how do the different runs work i couldnt find my answers on google so i turned to discord

[fresh steppe]

can you be like, more specific with your question?

[ashen hawk]

i can try '

like is a run a different playthrough ?

like when people say its gonna be this run to do something is it just going through different rooms or is it a whole different save file?

[twin thistle]

another escape attempt. theres a lot of variance in room layouts and rewards

not a new save file

[latent moon]

it's just the same save file, probably just a different weapon and boon set in mind when doing it

like, if i were to say "i'm going to do a hestia run now" i'm just gonna pick up hestia, grab a keepsake, and jump in