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I won my first attempt on 32 against dad though
actually its more like 3 because i went afk for a second and forgot to pause and one of those crystals got me
but yeah 32 is p annoying
I find it pretty fair actually
I thought adjusting to using sd and the nonexistent healing would be hard, but I was able to get through simply by having an extra shot at the final boss.
deadly strike doesnt add crit chance to dash strike does it
It does
I got a food reward on a fresh file playthrough. How does this happen?
It happens when you get three blue laurel room choices since you can only get keys and darkness in your first run the game gives you food
honestly i might not do 32 heat
at least rn
im just not enjoying it at all, it seems like a useless challenge
Understandable
You got this bruddah, when i was having trouble i just changed my mirror options around and it wasn't too bad
eh ive tried that
Have you tried again? Uwu
damn made 3 try on 32 heats, im getting closer but not yet ! The 2 firsts i lost because of time in elisyum and the last died against dad start of his 2nd phase. Its doable but if not all the stars are aligned their is still something to stop me ^^
next tries i'll do them with a weapon i know more. Never rly played Rama before those 32 heats runs ^^
but destroying a whole room with a big crit arrow is fun :p
btw i agree, arte attack/zeus special is working rly well
I always wondered why isn't there an achievement for upgrading all of the weapon aspects?
Wait, Bastion is on switch?
you mean maxing them out? Probably because it takes a lot of grinding and playtime, much more than maxing all the keepsakes for example
yeah, it is :) all supergiant games are with the exception of pyre
poor pyre 
You just need a little more practice. Getting that far on your first 3 attempts is a lot more than most can say.
Start Heartbreak Strike rather than Deadly Strike. Then get Divine Dash in Asphodel and look for DDs from her.
finally beat hades and the games kinda stuck this suppose to happen?
If you mean the screen where it highlights boons yea
That’s your victory screen
You can exit out of it and move on
it got stuck inbetween text for a couple minutes its fine now
probably because not everyone has the time to grind for that much titan blood
does tabbing out bug dialogue?
It should just pause it
me out here struggling on 1 heat
I just finally ran through the first time lol
And then you realized the games not over and you only scratched the surface
yeah that heat mechanic is going to give me ours of content
exactly
Hey proxy shut up
i underestimated the content after you beat the game for the first time
are there more unlockables other than items from the gods?
i decided to never watch any hades related content before beating the game
^^ did the same thing was worth it
that bottom row in the keepsakes box
I still don't know how to unlock any of that
got all the 1 heat bounties on some weapons
i still need to start using other weapons
didnt know either but i just progressed through the story and eventually did it, but i think its when you max out certain characters hearts
i like to blade toom uch to put it down
the health gain hammer on sword is so good
really nice. If i could ever get athena call with it i think it would be a free run
im scared for the day when i have to do the 32 heat run
It wont be too bad when you get to that point
I maxed out charon and it didn't do anything
so try to max out other characters aswell
i still havent defeated charon once
It’s only for certain characters not everyone
I thought i would at least get some discounts
just yesterday i got all the basic 18 aspects
I have a TON of extra ambrosia
6 left
seriously?
me too
be carefull, mods dont like when we evade the "anti swear protection"
Aight bye
aight cya
it was never this deep funny though.
i will probably never turn on the time limit thing on pact
you will trust me 😉
yea time limit honestly seems stressful
whatever game i play, whenever i am on a timer, i play bad
yea i become very stressed
yeah
Btw i still have no idea what this prophecy thing does for boons anyone know?
rn i play on 1 or 2 heat depending on weapon
53 seconds
i turn on the boss has more moves thingy
wow ^^
One acorn charge left
The one that’s like a boon list?
It’s just picking up those boons
Same for hammers
those times are rly impressive
ohh so i just need to pick them up to complete the tasks?
ye
This is also very nice damage too lol

finaly with that heat farming i managed to buy the last level of fated persuasion ^^
my whole mirror is maxed, except fated authority that i never upgraded xd
It’s mostly for meme runs anyway
Lv2 
alr i'll take a break, been playing for maybe 14hours non stop..
Atleast it’s epic 
Id just be happy to see another Zeus besides my Special
When is your 55 mirrorless
Never
hey how is the hades aid keepsake?
It’s very good for speedrunning
Doesn’t see any use in high heat
Hades keepsake is worded pretty badly in the game
It gives you movement speed and global damage for 2 seconds
And makes enemies repeat their last move
how is that last one useful?
Hades can darkness in the first phase which wastes time, if you time your call well you can get him to delay that just enough for you to phase him
It’s not something you do often but it’s pretty good when it goes right, the global damage and mvt speed is kind of the big deal
Is 2 secs the half or full call
Lesser call is 2 sec
Full call is 5
If you use a lesser call and attack afterwards you lose the movement speed but global damage stays for the whole 2 seconds
It’s usually supposed to be the extra burst you need to phase him
Like you use it then throw a clockets volley so it gets boosted
im running with Arthur Sword rn (my new favourite aspect lol)
and the first boon i get is Poseidon with a choice of 3 knockback boons, which all seem to antisynergize with any attack based playstyle
whats a build i should go for if i have to take knockback?
(im being offered rare attack, epic special and rare dash)
If poseidon is offering cast is orobably the one that hurts the least
i can pick dash
yeah it really feels like a bad combo
Aim for Aphrodite on attack
Also what keeosake you started?
Always start with Aphrodite with Arthur
the wrong one :^)
i always pick pom and swap for acorn when entering styx
but i forgot to swap back so now im stuck with acorn
for this big damage mod on attack?
Ye
Yeah
Also double dip on dmg reduction
fair point
last 2 runs i got lucky and got the heal on attack hammer upgrade + a bunch of hp to sustain it
Cursed slash arthur 
what gods should i hunt for when going with poseidon?
Then go Artemis special and look for Heart Rend and Hunter's Mark
i see
You can use poseidon as support mostly
That's of you have Aphrodite attack
Dash helps with aspects that struggle with aoe
Same goes for cast if paired with breaking wave
Poseidon is the king of destroying styx
interesting 🤔
i tend to struggle the most in elysium
especially with the shield guys
and theseus :^)
artemis special you said?
got lucky, was my second boon
where does this go playstyle wise?
Arthur generating call sucks
im still undecided if i like it or hate it
feels like a nuke against bosses but the charge time is awful
If you want a call get zeus for smoldering air
i see
i often go athena or aphrodite call bc they tend to be run winning against clutch boss fights
Is fine if you can charge it quick but arthur slow hits dont help
What’s your favorite sword aspect? I’ve only cleared with it once and I might play it more eventually
got the hammer
is hoarding ever good? 😂
i have 360g rn
Poseidon sword cause i dont have to play sword 
Hoarding slash is barely noticed
could go breaching slash or supernova instead
Breaching prob
hoarding is a solid option as a fun meme build. matters way more on not-excalibur, and you'd likely end up stronger just spending the money, but it is a satisfying meme run to do once or twice
ah true, it relies on hitting a lot
Arthur
I did that the one time I played sword. I just dashed and stuff
For mirror prophecy, what are good reasons to take ruthless reflex, abyssal blood, Stygian soul, golden touch, Olympian favor, and fated authority over the alternatives?
Ruthless is fine in shields/gilgamesh
Abyssal just run it once on low heat/stygian for casts that stays on field (trippy/meme beam)
Gilgamesh cause slash go brr
Isnt gilgamesh a fist aspect
Gilgamesh is fists
regardless I think the most fun for me is Zag Sword just bc increased attack speed enables so much jank
best overall is probably nemesis, though? crits are busted as usual
you can basically just hunt down aphro attack and heart rend and boom ez game
I never really play sword tbh unless it's Poseidon and arthur
the 15 keys for titan blood deal at the broker is too good

BROOOOOO YES
oh hell yeah, its so worth it (maybe #off-topic-discussion though)
nem sword
the sword that i use when i die then choose a different weapon 
nem is cool
Nem
I just got a controller for Hades ^^. Dont know if it will be better, i've always been a keyboard&mouse player ^^
^^
the game recommends you use a controller but its mostly personal preference
yep, i think ill need a few runs to get used to it
imagine being unable to backwards dash on controller 
ahah
Yay quad athena in styx
just pre ordered the nendoroid zagreus cant wait to see it in person 😄
oh nice ! Post a pic when u get it 😄
Ah now i should be able to get Aphro favor. Cerberus will be the last and it will be complete 🙂
Oh ok i watched on the wiki how to get cerberus favor
Surprised you got cerb as the last
i guess i didnt pet him enough lol
i'm still waiting on dusa's dialogue for aphrodite's favor 
she keeps saying the same stuff
You gifted her all the ambrosia?
yes
she's at full hearts but i didn't get her bond forged icon yet
yeah you will get it soon i think
cerb was my third
why is there no apollo?
Cause
damn, another close try with Rama for that 32 heat. Fists were so easier for me. But im using another strat that seems better (thanks Tailesque ^^), i removed DC, switched to fiery presence , and dash striking on ennemies make tons of dmgs with arte attack. As im now better to hit my power shots, it works well
I'm trying fists
Ok this may be a silly question but if I have RI4 can Athena offer last stand/other DD boon and does it give me a dd?
Hehe GL ! I will do some lower heats today, need to chill a little ^^
i already failed like 10+ times today. so i may take a break for now
yeah after too many fail its hard to still get focus ^^
not sure if i should just switch to doing shield 32 heat and do fists after
i might do that yeah
she wont offer those
blood frenzy from ares is also not eligible when mirrorless
gonna try a eris 32 again
and if that doesn’t work i’ll switch to rama
might just try em4 for the hell of it

My long term goals for the game are 32 heat with all aspects
And sub 10 minutes with all weapons
Enjoy the zag sword
What’s the effect
Bonus attack speed and movement speed

im not a fan of guan yu
Is it the low hp part
mostly
Pretty hammer dependent
God, it took me forever to get the hang of guan yu
Beo comfy
yup I levelled beo to 4
i'm going to try flood shot + mirage shot this time since i did passion flare the first time
GY comfy if you get charged skewer
em3seus i hope you cease
usually im fine with that fight but not today
I’m pretty bad at that fight
I thought nemsis sword was the only aspect, whoops
mmmm yknow dying a million times can kind of break your motive a little bit

He lookin sus
oh here we go i finally got a build i dont hate
Who?


inb4 witty and clever and kind + original
em theseus is fun w gilgamesh
Indeed
win
Truly funny, laughed so hard
i got ares’ dash and +4 dashes from hermes and it was fun
circle gaming
beyblade
that moment when you get offered 3 boons you desperately need and you can get one 

Id say just play it once before every run
it took me like 120 runs or so to learn it, but yeah play it once ever death
then youve gotta talk to orpheus and stuff to get the prophecy
well i Have 120 runs, im not sure when i got the lyre but yeah
alr
tf is charon more difficult than [redacted]
Did not expect him to kick my ass that hard
he hits hard but really predictably
his attack patterns are easy but you dont get to practice it a lot since he only shows up once in a wile
once you understand how his patterns work youll be able to dodge it most of the time
does leveling moms keepsake reduce the number of chambers it takes to level a boon or does it give more levels
6/5/4 combat encounters for one pom slice by levels. Give the gods nectar
the former
not bad
and thank you for screaming at me more i will
Im not screaming simply reminding
it's over 200 interactions in total btw. just keep interacting with it a few times between runs. im mobile rn but i think the checkpoints are like 10/60/110/210
give us an approval process 3 pact 
gives 1 extra heat 
now that I think about it, if AP3 existed, the boon menu probably wouldnt even pop up and zag would probably have some funny lines about skipping the boon completely
i killed meg no hit :D
owo
finally completed dusa’s favor lets go
SPOILERS AHEAD ON THE HOUSE CONTRACTOR:
||im attempting to get to the unseen one rank in hades any tips on getting more darkness i do no heat runs (so i can get darkness each boss), i try to get both chaos eclipse boons but normally get one and i get ocean bounty each time i can tho its not a lot and once i get all 3 i normally get around 2000 darkness but i kinda need more if each one is now 5,000 and above||
Just play a lot, pretty much.
yeah, that's the tiring part... I do
It's gonna be a long grind if you're just grinding for Darkness. It's not really designed as something you grind for specifically but more a resource sink for players with hundreds of hours in the game.
damn it
seriously i'm trying to see if there's a strategy or a keepsake i can use that helps with it but apparently no
Not sure why you said "both" Eclipse boons btw. You can get more than two even.
But pretty much just the strategy you've been doing would be the best way to farm Darkness.
Also just general speedrun strats to clear faster, I suppose.
The most I've had is about 4000 darkness in a run. And I don't think I could have got any luckier.
out of pure curiosity whats your favorite giving nectar to the gods (or anyone) quote
mine is
Zagreus "My lady Artemis, your favor's been invaluable to me. No finer huntress ever walked the surface of the earth, or underneath."
Artemis "You're being very nice to me, and that makes me suspicious, understand? So you want more of that, you keep this up."
does the triple jab hammer upgrade (3 strikes in spread pattern) work well with guan yu spin attack?
does nothing for the spin
good to know!
Does nothing for dash-strikes either
Artemis is best awkward grrrrl.
whats the easiest pact of punisment condition level 1
EM1 or TD1
yeah ok
is game worth on switch if i have it on pc
If you want it to play on the road
He absolutely railed me the first time I tried to fight him in Tartarus
I beat him, but barely, since he used up all 3 of my DDs and left me on 5 hp
@fast sluice 
Well, maybe if you weren't a thief...
Bouldy
...
i am madly in love with charon
Gguuuuugh
couple days ago when I killed Meg she went "Keep... going..." as she died 👀
I would say yes, but a couple things - you can carry progress between Switch and PC if you have it on Steam or Epic (not Game Pass/MS Store/any other console). Also, I would strongly recommend not using the built-in joy cons in handheld mode on the Switch. At the very least, get a Hori Split Pad Pro or a grip like the Satisfye
Without a grip, the Switch is really uncomfortable to play for long sessions. Especially on fast-paced games like Hades. The performance is mostly good but it occasionally chugs especially on chaotic fights like witches circle or anything high heat
Yeah, without the grip I just play phone games
I think the Steam Deck would be the perfect Hades device. Bigger screen than the Switch, faster so less slowdown, bigger and more comfortable grips. Just a matter of actually getting one
thanks lol
and the first one didn’t ping so it’s cool
dusa hurry up and get the option to give me my ambrosia back
Also Tisiphone incorporates words she learns into kill lines (like when she kills you)
i’m just saying i wish tisiphone’s speech lessons continued past zagreus
i want to teach her a sentence damn it 😔
daily reminder that Artemis is the best god in hades 
its charon
he’s not a god i don’t think
but i’m also madly in love with charon
charon: god of boats
Ah dude, I was so close to beating Hades
f
I got down to the last half of the bossfight then I ran out of death defies

I might do like 2 more runs today
hi there o/
run it back u got this and use dark foresight on the mirror
Finaly back home, dont know if i continue tryharding Rama of if i try cleaning 32 heats with another weap. Was thinking to go with Gilga but my first clear was with Zag Fists so would be cool to go for another weap. Maybe Nemesis, its a fun aspect
thought he was ? not sure of what exactly. but he is a chthonic god
he is nyxs son so id assume so
oh wait he is yeah
yeah I already do
hes the love of my life tho guys
@slim geyser charon says give nectar out
also drink water
everyone drink water
high heat leads to faster dehydration
okay, best daedalus upgrade?
no
what weapon
zag sword
based !
what options
it doesn't matter what aspect
double edge is the best sword hammer
maybe
maybe 
rip
I wonder how charon feels whenever you complete a run or die while having thousands on obols on you
like hoarding slash gamers

name one hoarding slash gamer
absolutely nobody
No hoarding slash gamers only memers here
at least its not like some other games where you can cast stuff using $$ as a fuel source
my nem WR 6;26 IGT was with hoarding+breaching slash
I AM the hoarding slash gamer
also ananke's 6:43 nem had 1500 gold with hoarding slash
"charon's aid: drains all your obols and does extra damage based on how many obols got burned in the process"
hey thats me
it feels like hoarding thousands of currency in one step from eden and then one-shotting everything with sera(money) cannon
Darkness costs for fated persuation are absolutely ludicrous.
2 charges is 2000 darkness
I feel like doom is kind of weak. It doesn't scale much, and never stacks.
it's great for really low attack rate like adamant rail special
but other than that, eh.
its has great pom scaling, more upfront damage than most other attacks, and merciful end is one of the strongest boons in the game
deflect triggers doom instantly
Oh boy.
it benefits a lot from rarity for the scaling but yea
yeah
its whats used most often for most sword and fists aspects in speedrunning for a reason
wait, is merficul end when you use an attack that deflects, or just successfully deflecting?
even without ME, doom is great on sword or fists attack or something like rama special
just hitting with something that can deflect
dont have to deflect attacks
That's how it should go yea
ME gaming
though the doom and dash should be simultaneous
impending doom also still works on merciful end
I've done a couple runs where I was bashing into enemies with 1k+ dmg doom procs
(also I know I'm using the term "proc" incorrectly, fight me)
man i upgraded aspect of guan yu to max, hoping it would be good
but its still super hard to play 👀
i love the playstyle, but man this aspect is unforgiving without the right hammer upgrades
nothing compared to arthur and haha big blade go brrrrr
Ah, yes
Personally, this aspect is probably one of the coolest in the game
Although it probably struggles a lot without thick skin
If Aspect of Achilles didn't exist I'd probably always run it since it's really fun and also basically invalidates getting your health chipped away, since you can just decide to heal at basically any time
Also, hi!

Gy is nice
Personally I was a bit disappointed when I saw aspect of Beoulf (or however you spell it), basically the same as this but less creative
And painfully slow
Also just Aspect of Hera but worse

Beo slow 
Beowulf can be hard to get into
Really?
Yea
Mirage is bugged in flares
I personally always find myself dashing through enemies with the bull rush
And all the casts miss
I mea you can not charge past the enemies
I'm too used to Minotaur Rush ig
Unlless is aspho where they also can jump out of the way
But, what's the great part about this aspect?
A lot of damage
I found myself liking the special, but the bull rush didn't seem quite as good
Casts have many ways to scale well
you murder everything
Mirage shot duo boon on flares makes so the 2nd cast shoot doesnt have the dmg reduction
But if I wanted to run the cast builds, why not use Coronacht?
They do more damage (with mirage shot) in a greater area with Beowulf
On hera the casts do come out quicker, that’s it
And they don’t get stuck in enemies
Trippy flare is a lot of fun on beo cause it gets double value from poms
Without explanation
Also the whole bullrush and blocking mechanic is a lot of safety
Yeah
Bull Rush is really nice
Half my normal runs rely on getting Minotaur Rush and just wailing on the bosses
Charged shot is really good
(without aspect of beowulf of course)
Charged shot beo is hera but wide
Yeah, wait, I'd never tried that
So with Charged Shot, the casts are fired when hitting something?
That's interesting
I should probably give this thing another shot!
Casts explode at the end of your attack
Bah dum tsss
Hey, guess who misread casts at cats again ✌️ 😔
me
I personally wonder what boons we could've gotten from the olympians that aren't featured in the game
Like, I get that Hephaestus would probably just be Daedalus Hammers 2.0, but Hera would probably be interesting to play around, although I'm not sure what any boons from her would be like anyway

is there any way to see how many more pets you need to give to cerberus to finish this quest?
lool
no but its just around 20? minimum or so. remember the dialogue you're looking for isn't guaranteed to pop up immediately, but it will eventually so long as you meet the minimum requirements
im seeing a few different max save files on the speedrun site, does anyone mind explaining which one i should grab? just dont feel like farming titan blood anymore 
actually it looks like Ellomenop is the one i want, nvm/thnx
So if I haven't played for.... a very long time, should I start a new file or continue what I've started? Just wondering if there was anything towards the beginning that has changed?
I have maybe beaten the 2nd boss once, I can't remember
But then again people were doing heat runs last time so I think the game was complete by that time?
Wow this time Than and Meg were both waiting me in my room
Decided to join them ofc 🙃
how much of the plot do you remember
I remember what story I've played through and I'm a bit spoiled as to the rest why?
remember rule 2 folks
I remember what story I've played through and I'm a bit spoiled as to the rest why?
AH WHOOPS IM SORRY
Really sorry about that
Oh, well i dont think early game was changed that much
Yeah I figured, just wanted to see
sorry tatz 😉
Time to hop in and hopefully get further 👍
is there a way to turn the chamber count on? (on xbox)
went from 11 titan blood to 32 titan blood
Open your boon menu to see your current chamber
I think if you try to open it as soon you enter a chamber it wont display the menu but will show the chamber number
nem sword op
lol i just put a post it on my screen "Dont forget to pet Cerberus !"
Thats the last favor i have to do and i ALWAYS forget xD
and when i think to it, he isnt there Kappa
I SHOULD DO THAT WITH NECTAR TO THE GODS
^^
how many chambers in tartarus again
14
thats the nice thing about hades, even when you lose you're still making progress somewhere, so even a lost run doesnt feel like a total bust. most of the time
Yeah
Today I finished the epilogue, maxed out some more weapon aspects, and maxed out another companion
watching zagreus genuinely ge better at the lyre is SO SATISFYINg
ayyy congrats
Thanks
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760342037962031116/940806365197246524/IMG_3381.jpg 9/10 I wanted a skelly song
hell yeah
it wasnt quite as sad knowing they end up singing good riddance in the future, but count dooku as hades, i love it
that guys voice was unreal
AYYY I LEARNED THE LYRE

bway
im moving to colorado in two months, may as well enjoy nyc for another few months before i leave this expensive cesspool behind
oh cool
i saw it on bway back in october
yeah, it is pretty damn cool that i was inspired to buy $100 tickets for a show because of a $25 game. good job, supergiant
opposite for me
yeah i just saw it on nintendo direct and was like, this looks kinda neat okay ill spend 25 bucks
i still havent beaten hollow knight or age of calamity (hades interrupted those two)
oh cool i can beat up hades with meg now
You do not lay a hand on nyx
Non Broadway cast coming to my town in June
Need to try to go
it's worth it
it's about orpheus and eurydice for everyone else and im like
wait this story does have a happy ending
I love the way that whenever you receive boons a rainbow flashes, showing that the gods are reaching you through Iris
oh i didnt realize that
man 32 heat shouldnt be giving me this much of a hard time
i mean, yeah, that's kind of the point its supposed to be hard lol
but if you give gods nectar
youll get better at 32 heat
whats your highest heat and fav weapon
also ze pact
16, prob eris
16 to 32 is gunna be pretty big jump. what does your mirror and 32 hest pact look like
yeah so thats a giant jump. think of it like lifting weights - you could double your weight, but that's a not good idea for long-term gains and progression
like you need to have TD3 comfortable
LC4/SD
16 to 32 isnt really a 2 times difficulty increase either
Eris is a good choice (and I did yeet it and win because don't die until i get rip current smair and splitting bolt by mid-ely worked)
(on em4 and no LC)
but if you intend to play the game more, which you def seem on that path
breaking it up into chunks to learn new pacts and like, stretching before you go for the big power lift
will go a LONG way
like i did a bunch of LC4 TD3 10 heat for example
just to get used to two scary pacts (the rest of it being vanilla)
and you also need to have EM3 tight, which if you're at 16...50/50 chance you're there, but 32 heat typically means beating theseus and minotaur with stubborn defiance and either higher speed or enemy damage
i'd recommend a few runs of: EM3 LC4 TD3 (16) then 4 worth of flex (UC BP1, DC2 UC on Eris, mess with it, the idea is to start with the core of 16 there and ramp it up a bit)
you can go to high heat for more details and other people who are sweaty tryhards like me but better at the game
and all the pinned stuff is helpful
im going to bed goodnight
Man
Doing a PR run right now with my DPS basically done
just a bit slow due to JS 2
then I get a chaos boon with no rerolls, one makes cast hurt me, the other doesn't allow me to get my cast for 12 seconds
running beo
fudge
run ender
Oof
By the way, what's the maximum upgrade for Fated Persuasion?
The third is 3K Darkness which is already a pain to get, are there more levels after that?
4 rolls total
4 dice total for persuasion 8 total for authority I think
Sheesh
yeah it takes a while to truly max the mirror
Alright, good to know!
I think you could be well into 150 runs before the mirror is fully maxed especially if you're not the kind of person that takes dark thirst every time or focuses on bounty over darkness farming runs
Yeah
With the whole Heat thing, I usually find myself upping the difficulty after basically every escape
So I don't get half as much darkness as I used to
see, when you keep upping the heat to get new bounties for titan bloods/diamonds/ambrosia
you're also missing out on tons of darkness
which is fine when the mirror is maxed of course, but I personally did take a few runs to at least max out the mirror bonuses that I actually care for
Speaking of mirror, is there any reason to use Dark Regeneration? I could see it coming in handy after bosses the bounties of which you already have, but sacrificing the consistent healing for that seems like a bad idea to me
both are fine
Although if you have pitch-black darkness you'll probably be picking darkness chambers anyway
and you are correct that dark regeneration won't help as much if the boss is dropping a bounty instead of darkness
well the other option is to go giga chad
and just finish 20 heat bounty on every weapon
then Every run going forward is gonna be a darkness farming run

alternately, you could try learning speedrunning or something
thats a relatively easy way to end up with more darkness than intended
its a nice little way to make your game still feel fresh and less grindy even if your actual intention is to grind darkness
try for sub 15 min on every weapon -- then sub 10 min etc
and by the time you get sub 10 on every weapon, I'd almost guarantee your mirror will be maxed
What does Bouldys ambiguity bonus do
moral support

You just warp to the victory screen
even charons boat wouldnt bring you to victory as fast as 100% moral support
well that i have at least, im very comfortable with td3
lc4/sd will be a bit harder
||Nothing||.

wait so for underworld customs
if you purge a boon in the level as in before the “fountain + switch keepsake” area does it count
nope
that's what you think but it actually gives you a 2% increased chance of winning the run.
no, boudly gives you pure invulnerability for an hour

it actually does give you invulnerability. but only as long as you aren't being damaged by an enemy
the invulnerability is emotional.
you need specific dialogue? man i just sat here for like 10 minutes doing this and nothing happend lool
How many times do I have to talk to Chaos with shield equiped
To unlock hidden aspect?
@fringe valley hey look, it's mentioning you. 
It's just random if you get the dialogue once you meet the requirements for it.
for people going for their 32 heat clear, I highly recommend doing several runs where you turn on forced overtime 2, extreme measures 3, benefit package 2, and middle management, but practice each of those pacts in isolated, separate runs
as in do a couple runs where the only pact you turn on is FO2
then do several runs where the only pact you turn on is EM3 etc
once you get comfortable with each of those pacts in isolated runs, slowly start combining them
and once you get comfortable with that start trying for clear times under 30 mins, then 25 minutes, then 20 minutes
if you reach this point, you're almost guaranteed to be good enough to do your actual 32 heat run
You can just avoid FO2 completely for 32
I was gonna say that.
of course, but this I feel is like the best course of progression to get people towards their 32 heat clear
not just because you learn the most difficult roadblocks to the clear
I disagree with that
but because youll quickly figure out which pacts you're willing to sacrifice for others
Just do everything and try until you get it, FO2 EM3 is a lot harder than just EM3 lmao
FO2 EM3 BP2 with LC4 is one of the toughest ways to 32
If your only goal is to clear HL5 and FO0 is the most consistent and effective way to do it, as Nyaanyaa suggests
If you wanna push higher it’s another story
Should probably move to #h1-high-heat-strategies anyway.
Imagine searching the entire run for a specific duo boon which you have the requirements for, but getting three other duo books that you weren't even trying to get
Imagine if someone did that lmao
Lol
🙃
yeah im never fighting him again unless its in asphodel or later, lack of boons is crippling
also, it feels wrong watching god of war olympian kills after playing this game
wonder if zag exists in that universe
@iron oyster hello
hi?
Uuuh idk I just said hi
If you're looking for a specific Duo Boon, you'll generally want to avoid unlocking requirements for any other Duo Boon from either of the two gods in question.
Because then stuff like that happens. 
what heat? i can barely go against 0 heat final boss
Specifically I wanted the Zeus Demeter boon
im just that bad
I have god mode
what percent
80...
I just grind
Heat 3
well i just discovered you can fight in hades with just 2 joysticks
How
Unless you are in hell mode you can use god mode while using the pact
How?
Well i use a genric controller on pc and if yiu turn the "mode" off on the controller if you rotate the right joystick it executes the action that the button in the noved direction would do like if i noved it down i dash
can anyone tell me a weapon to play
Aspect of Gilgamesh
yay my most hated weapon
Let's go
ah ok
aspect of nemesis?
gonna do some spear guan yu
I think its crazy that once I got my third dd, I got my first clear and went on a streak
everything clicked into place
also for those trying heat, tight deadline is such an easy one to start with
and the one that increases cost of items
I feel like there's gonna be at least 1 person here that would fight you on convenience fee being easy heat LOL
you think?
you dont really need to take items on low heat once you have a plan
its good to have them though
just treat CF2 like a speedrun where you take charon's shop rooms anyways knowing full well you can't afford anything in it
That's not what happens in Speedruns lol
It's actually quite important to hit every shop with enough gold to afford stuff when you're speedrunning
then treat it like you're on one of those runs where it's not even worth the extra second it takes to check a well even if there's a chance for chaos gates
treat every well like it's in the last room before a boss (or something?) 
play the game as if it's normal to pay 800 obols for a boon when you reach styx
play the game like it was hoarding slash gaming
also, it feels like sometimes, I honestly decide that the money that went into something like a jerky was worth more than whatever was in a shop just cuz I dont feel like I need more in my build
so I just go into the shop for speed, but dont even buy anything there
but that usually doesnt happen until like elysium
Well yea I meant just in general having a good amount of gold to pick up whatever is a nice boost to your build, it doesnt always work sometimes you just cant do anything about it, but CF2 just makes your gold value a lot worse so it's just a very meh pact in general
If I'm doing 40-45 heat runs for fun I totally avoid it
so the simple trick to getting used to CF2
is to always have bad luck with charon offering you stuff that dont actually work with your build
and hoarding slash
Money buys options
Im not gonna fall for cf2 propaganda
but yeah joking aside, when you run CF2, you're basically praying you get everything you need from room rewards and your money will basically only be enough to buy the occasional heal or jerky
if you do actually hoard a bit, you could realistically buy at least 1 boon per area tho
like go around breaking gold pots and stuff
cf2 more like
inconvenience fee
am i right

but yeah just get purple chaos money boon ez



pick poseidon every time and grab every sunken treasure and ocean bounty
ez, CF2 solved
in fact, just run bouldy for the extra money 
It's not that bad. Also, the strat for CF2 if you're not concerned about the timer is to skip shops for gold laurel rewards when you can. You get a lot more value from that.
You'll get forced into plenty of shops where you can spend your money anyway.
So by skipping shops when you can, you're just saving money for those occasions while picking up basically free gold laurel rewards on the way.
honestly, in the one time I actually tried CF2, I just learned not to expect any boons from styx lol
Well, the Styx shop usually costs real time and in-game time anyway. So you're not losing out by skipping it, usually.
Like it's faster usually to just skip the shop and go straight to Hades.
Unless there's a chance to get something broken in the shop like say you have Splitting Bolt requirements and there's a boon from him.
thats pretty much what I've been told before too
Achilles also has zoomie styx shops
I think I've only had once or twice where the styx shop actually made a noticible difference in a run and that's when I wanted to roll for that rush delivery
Yeah, it's mainly just for things like that. Or if you're doing like what's high heat for you or something where you're just looking for any edge to help you win.
But usually the shop doesn't really matter too much.
Somewhat related to that, I think only doing normal runs or only IGT kind of leads people to overanalyze decisions because you have so much time to make one, so you want to make sure it's optimal... but practicing RTA helps you plan ahead and also helps you recognize those situations where it really doesn't matter what you pick.
Like an obvious example is you have plenty of money, you're in Styx tunnel, and you know you're not not going to the shop. You see a Well, you check it, and try to figure out which ones to buy.
The answer is just buy everything, no need to think or even read the options.
click everythingpog
just about to say that cuz I only recently started thinking like that lol
If you have rolls, roll and buy out everything again.
so that plan ahead part is actually kinda important
cuz chances are if you're a speedrunner, you've already done some of the same stuff over and over again
and like when you reach a point where you're hitting PBs and stuff, you would ideally start to notice that sometimes, you've already made a decision before you even touch the first enemy in a room
you probably know what the end goal for your build is
you probably know what kinds of chaos boons to grab and avoid for your build
and if not, you probably at least know which chaos curse would be the least likely to end your run
you probably know what items will help you before you even peek into a well
it’s true
I'll usually have planned several rooms ahead. Like when I enter Asphodel, I'll usually have things planned until somewhere into Elysium. You're not really making decisions on the spot, you're just following a mental flowchart. It's very rare that you're put into any unfamiliar situations. But that only comes with a lot of practice and experience.
And also experimentation.
Yeah, definitely. If I can't think of anything I would want from a Well, there's no reason for me to even look at it. That's just a waste of time.
You've met the requirements for the dialogue?
Yes
Welp. Things like that can take awhile.
You also need to have at least 5 Titan Blood invested in any shield aspects.
Wow, is that how hidden aspects work?
I remember Achilles gave me Guan Yu when I'd barely even touched the darned thing
Or is Varatha's secret aspect just an exception?
I dont believe it....
It was not written in the trophy guide Im using
guan yu just requires 5 non zag aspects unlocked. doesnt matter if you have spear ones unlocked or not
Thanks
So they're unique for each weapon, huh
A casual has, like, no way to predict this stuff lmao
It really is "when the fates decide", I guess

its just guan yu thats different
Ah
I saw a Reddit discussion on why Zag has skulls on his shoulder and some one said: Yo the offspring of his beloved pet died and Zagreus just thought "Hm sad and all but I think it’s Heads would be drip af on my shoulders“

Don't spam
Don't know what guide you're using, but the requirements for all the secret aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion.
Why do I have no duo booooooooons
Guan Yu is different because you need to unlock Guan Yu before you can unlock the others.
Also probably just a side effect of Guan Yu being the first hidden aspect they added during Early Access.
Finally got curse of nausea
But I deserve more 
How do you unlock Aphrodite's last heart? it's been locked for a long time, and no matter how much I talk to it, it's never unlocked
You need to forge bonds with 2 out of Dusa, Megaera, and Thanatos.
I already got the present (ally of dusa and magaera and thanato is with 3 friendship, and as much as I keep killing myself and renewing the dialogues with aphrodite she is never released
I do not know why

hi every one!
i have a small question!
about mission "Divided by Death"
Looks like I encountered a small bug in the game!
Getting the Companion isn't the same as a forged bond. When you've forged a bond, you'll get a little chibi icon in the keepsake menu.
Like this one for Dusa:

in my Work orders, it showed a check mark at the bottom, which means I bought everything there!
but..
now I understand, thank you
If you think there's a bug, #h1-tech-support is the place to ask for help.
it not have Hero's Sacrifice 😦
oh okay thanks!
So, I ran into a bug, I'm not sure what caused it, but I noticed it at the last area, golden touch stopped giving more gold at some point after Tartarus.
Should I get a tattoo of dusa? One like and I'll get it
Maybe I'll get one too 🤣
love the icon
yours is sunglasses maya mine is sunglasses franziska 
I gave all liquor and bottles to the dusa, but I didn't get the pendant
what do you mean by pendant exactly?
.
You know what would be cool
A station in between biomes that allows you to double/half the number or rerolls you have to change them to authority/persuasion
So that if you accidentally start with Authority, you can switch to Persuasion mid-run? 
Could be used in ME to increase the chances of Nat Athena
But then swap to persuasion to get good Hermes and ME
Is it natural if you have to roll for it? 
And then swap back for poms
little chibi icon
What should I do
you need dialogue from dusa that says she wants to talk
just wait til she comes into zag's room
then it happens
But isn't it just giving her all the liquor? along with the bottles
you finished that part.
yés
but for dusa you need another scene before it happens
yes, now all that's left is for her to give me the little icon
yeah
oh, thank's
just click dusa whenever she's in the house. eventually she'll say she wants to talk.
I thought it would be just like the others, just deliver all the ''gifts''
||once she enters zagreus' room and asks if you want to take back the ambrosia||, the bond forged icon will show up after.
taking back the ambrosia doesn't give a negative reaction so I recommend you do that so you can use it elsewhere
ok, thanks
Hey folks does anyone have any good resources for good builds? I never know what to go for
Also mirror and weapon upgrades?
What do you mean by resources?
Guides?
Yee
Ah
You can probably ask someone around here
I know there are at least some guides
I just don't know where
I guess what are good builds that are easier to get together
Still new here
Me either :/

Depends on what weapon you're using right now
I’ve only beat hades once so i wanna beat him with other weapons and with some heat on
I beat him with the sword but i really like the shield and the gloves
Alright
I'm personally awful at Malphon, but I can give shield tips
For starters
Minotaur Rush, in my opinion, is one of the best, if not the best shield upgrade
Just mash it on bosses for pretty large amounts of damage
I love Malphon, Long-knukkles is amazing at the beginning
Pulverizing Strike (I think that was the name), can also work quite well for general DPS
The block is nice
I had the upgrade that made the gloves range longer and it was really good
Do you have any custom Aspects for shield, or are you running the default one?
Lost to hades tho 😦
Just default i havent spent any titans blood yet
I have like 8 or 9 or so
Aha
I didnt know what to use on i dont wanna waste it
Personally, out of the shield aspects I recommend Aspect of Zeus
Ahh okok
It lets you keep most of the speedy feel of Aegis, and lets you have a Special that deals considerable damage over a large area, and doesn't disable your attack
Is there a way to respec items if i dont like the upgrades
I like Chaos on the shield the multithrow is awesome.
The problem is travel speed
no you can't.
Hrm, but that probably requires a few Titan's Blood upgrades before it can be that great
Ohhh kk
Anyways, this aspect allows your Special to become a solid source of multihit over a distance
with Zeus on the special it's awesome even without upgrade at low heat
Is there a guild that shows how to build duos and stuff?
I never know what i need to get for boons
So it works really well with Tempest Flourish, since each hit drops lightning, for high DPS totals overall
Zeus aspect is based
Probably also has good enough uses with Drunken Flourish, but I don't know if it deals any higher damage than just yeeting people with lightning
Best weapon in the game
And lightning aspect allows for Jolted which is just always awesome
If you get Zeus boons, going for Jolted is often a pretty good idea
Bosses attack pretty much all the time, so it allows you to deal an extra hundred or so damage after each attack so long as you keep applying lightning
Codex uograde in game tells you the requisites
I beat charon last night he is HARD
Ohhh kk ty!! I didnt know it did that
Yeah
Yeah Charon is a beast
I think the problem might be that he deals loads of damage, which in early game can easily one-shot you
He my fav character
If you pick a fight later into the run it's probably less difficult
If you havw the upgrade from the work orders go to a olympian god and click whatever button it says
Also works for Chaos
Ohh okok sweet
beating him twice in a row is the last profecy left on my list
I think i unlocked that one without knowing what it does LOL
IT DOES?
Ye
ive been playing this game for ages and didnt know that
Chaos is busted
Chaos on cast builds my beloved
facts
The artwork so good too
Until you manage to carry a curse into a boss like a complete idiot 
Chaos art is great


