#h1-discussion

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gray apex
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If you look at Tart/Aspho Minibosses + bball battie pretty much strips armor

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So using Mort there wouldnt do any extra damage

spice hearth
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also, bosses will just run outside Mort's circles

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especially with FO2

gray apex
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Yea it's very easy to miss

spice hearth
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that's another reason why Battie being faster is important, it doesn't miss

gray apex
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The way Meg's projectiles work is also very nice for lining up stuff

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like witches

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can hit all 4

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and heroes

spice hearth
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yep yep

high island
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Than can hit the bosses just fine, you just gotta take the slow startup into consideration when summoning him.

gray apex
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Yea just gotta learn it

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I missed a lot of megs too bouldy

high island
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Minibosses are a problem.

raw herald
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I don’t think I would, but I’ve not played any other roguelikes so I don’t have a comparison

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But I really like the way it’s implemented in hades

west eagle
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Is Titan Blood a persistent from heat to heat?

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I have been hording it.

last veldt
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They are unrelated

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Adding heat doesn't change the effects of Titan blood you have spent

west eagle
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I am using the word "heat" like a run to escape

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is that incorrect verbage?

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But regardless i think u answered my q

last veldt
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Ah. Heat is a specific term in Hades which you will learn about after your first escape

west eagle
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fml

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haha

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||yes i still cant beat hades yet||

last veldt
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Okay, don't trade any Titan blood with the broker

west eagle
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naw

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but i do wanna build a stronger weapon

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i spent one once and i thought it vanished

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so i horded it

last veldt
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Save it until you have beaten Hades and learned how to use it.

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If you spend it it will go away

west eagle
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true ok that was the wisdom i seeked

last veldt
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But the effects it buys are permanent

west eagle
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f*cking hades man

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the man bringing me down

last veldt
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Or Dad as he's otherwise known

west eagle
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haha yea yea

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ok so the effect it buys are perm

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example, so say i use one titan blood on the sword

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escape attempt and die

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it goes away if i use the sword again,

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is that what u are saying

last veldt
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No, you spend the blood and upgrade the sword. That upgrade is permanent.

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You can't get the blood back and then use it to upgrade something else

west eagle
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ok yea so you pay and get what u paid for

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no credit back

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thanks homie

mint coral
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I like my consistency so i like it the way it is

last veldt
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Yeah, even just that Anvil can be a run killer

mint coral
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Like i enjoy the tipical "pick what you find" but Hades is comfy

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Dark foresight/keepsakes/fated persuasion gives you a lot of control on what you want

last veldt
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Exactly Hades isn't really that random at all

strong ridge
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imaybe swapping them out at the biome room

gray apex
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There is a prophecy

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Gives you titan blood I think

hearty mural
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Is there an inside joke with the time being 7:48 or is it random

last veldt
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I think the joke is that it doesn't update, but the first time I checked the time it was 9:48 so I assumed it was right but they had got my timezone wrong

lone oxide
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does anyone have tips with zeus shield

polar quail
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Zeus on special

last veldt
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Unlock the hidden aspect instead?

brisk trail
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kinda funny that when ppl ask about Zeus sheild the conversation is just

"how to zoos?"
"zoos."

lone oxide
brisk trail
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spend 5 blood on sheild aspects, talk to chaos a lot

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requires hidden spear unlocked

placid storm
misty berry
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I finished the feast, anything else to do for the story?

mint coral
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Main story thats it
Idk if you still have any of the sub plots (than/meg/orpheus/etc)

misty berry
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K

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So my main goals now are competing the codex, max bond with everyone, and maxing the weapon aspects

sinful pine
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how do i start playing hades again when i'm in a 50-60 hour save haven't played for a year+ and i don't remember anything

brisk trail
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pick a weapon

gray apex
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Start a new save

brisk trail
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and kill things

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ull rememebr

placid storm
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I got a good seed for ME Guan Yu with a natural Ares and Athena so I joked in #h1-builds-and-combat that "time to never get ME because this game hates me" and then i just casually get it in tartarus

sinful pine
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it's not the mechanics that bother me i don't remember my progression on the side quests(?) such as orpheus euridice or achilles patroclus progress

signal aspen
placid storm
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You don't have to spoiler tag in here btw @sinful pine

sinful pine
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ight

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is there an indicator in the codex for that stuff? i don't remember

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and in general does the codex do a good job of reminding where the story is (i'm right after credits roll)

brisk trail
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no the codex doesnt help with the story at all, it tell u frienship with characters but thats about it

sinful pine
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but if i just keep on wailing on stuff and playing the game there shouldn't be much of an issue right

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i'm not missing out on any major hint i would've remembered otherwise

brisk trail
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imo just make guesses on where you were and continue where u left off on the story

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yea its np

sinful pine
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cool

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ty for the help everyone

brisk trail
lone oxide
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what are essential boons with zeus shield?

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apart from thunder flourish

gray apex
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Static Discharge

brisk trail
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Hey guys

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How are you doing?

placid storm
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Heroic Swift Strike on Arthur, Eurydice is based once again

brisk trail
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Guys I have a problem with the game

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When the game starts there is no way to select which gender I want to play as

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How can I set my characters gender?

high island
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You can't.

brisk trail
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Why?

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its a fixed story line, you play as zagreas son of hades

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I find it kind of oppressing that I cannot play as a women

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Like in most video games you have to option to play a woman but not in this game

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Women lacking representation in video games is a huge issue and this game furthers that problem.

signal aspen
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i hope youre joking

placid storm
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You also should realize the insane logistics hurdle that it is to alter a lot of the dialogue to respect the player's choice of gender

brisk trail
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the story would not work if the character could be played as both a man and women. they shouldnt throw away a good story because it lacks representation

placid storm
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All of Hades is voice-acted. It takes quite a lot of effort to tell the voice actors/actresses to say "hey, say this line again, but refer to the player as princess/use she"

brisk trail
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theres a lot of represention already, Athena and Ares are black, and the furies are badass women

placid storm
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That, and Patroclus / Achilles are in a gay relationship, and Zagreus is canonically bisexual

brisk trail
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that too like how much more represention do u want lmao

placid storm
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Supergiant has done a lot, and the representation is done incredibly well.

brisk trail
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I'm kind of disappointed in this game, like I expected this game to be more inclusive I guess? To not contribute to the hardships and discrimination that women face in modern society

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But I guess basic human rights are too much to ask for

placid storm
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@brisk trail Do you have any intent to participate in a productive discussion on this subject?

brisk trail
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you feel that you lack human rights because you cant select a woman in a game?

placid storm
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Furthermore, Hades pays lots of respect to Greek mythology. Inherently changing the gender of the player character is effectively impossible

brisk trail
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I'm sure hades pays respect to it's male audience by including over sexualized women it's game

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I'm just so tired of women being seen as sexual objects by the gamer males and having portrayed that way in every video game

placid storm
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Uh, the only one who's like that is Aphrodite, the goddess of love, beauty, and sexuality.

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If my memory of Greek mythology is correct, Aphrodite will appear to mortals in that person's view of an "ideal lover"

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@brisk trail I'll ask you again, do you have any intent whatsoever to participate in a productive discussion on this subject?

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If your objective here is to provoke a response out of people, then please familiarize yourself with rule 1 which states

...Be accepting and respectful. Avoid being inflammatory.

brisk trail
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Yeah I just wanted to initiate a productive conversation about the diversity issues hades has, but I have found only abuse from the community so far

signal aspen
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LMAO

gray apex
placid storm
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Abuse????

signal aspen
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ok this is a troll account

placid storm
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Anyways, back to our regularly scheduled Bouldy Supremacy.

brisk trail
atomic nymph
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such bad bait shadeohboy

narrow hemlock
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let's move along friendly

slim geyser
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bouldy <3

placid storm
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regarding that earlier discussion, i actually find it quite interesting to learn about the logistics hurdles that come up in games

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because it's not just like pressing 0 and 1 over and over again and boom your game's all finished

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it's surprising how many of these show up that you'd be totally unaware of unless you did QA testing and/or have made a game yourself (preferably the latter)

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like regarding voice acting. genshin impact (if you'd put away your potential grievances about the game for the passing mention) doesn't have nearly as many voiced lines as something like Hades, yet sometimes some issues within the voice direction still sneak through the cracks

either the characters will unintentionally refer to the player by the wrong gender, or have their voice acting differ from the subtitles (though usually the same point will get across) , or there'll be a total error in translation

high island
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Being here in Early Access also made one a lot more aware of every detail that was added to the game and then reworked and refined and sometimes just removed.

slim geyser
high island
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Remember to keep it clean. courte5Beegsmile

placid storm
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understandable

slim geyser
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okay!

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anyway am i the only one who doesnt get the hypnos hype? like hes funny and i like him but i wouldnt say hes anything special

high island
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Hype?

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What hype?

slim geyser
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wrong word, i just see a lot of love for him

placid storm
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hypenos YEP

brisk trail
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hypnos is controversial imo, some people barely notice him cuz he doesnt have much story impact and only makes random remarks, some ppl like him cuz hes chill and some dont like him cuz he makes fun of you for dying and wants thesues' autograph lol

high island
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Asterius's autograph.

slim geyser
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i find the fact he literally cannot use sarcasm hilarious at least

high island
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Maybe you're underestimating him. Maybe his deadpan is just that good.

slim geyser
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well he tricked Nyx
make Hypnos a comedian 2022

narrow hemlock
# slim geyser anyway am i the only one who doesnt get the hypnos hype? like hes funny and i li...

as someone who was around in early access, i can tell you barely anyone ever talked about him and finding content for him back then was incredibly hard. also a lot of people relate to various parts of his personality, how he speaks with others, how others treat him

i have also, since early access, pointed out how it is a bit upsetting to me personally that he is largely disconnected from anything else going on, to the point that not once does he ever even call zag by name or nickname, so his interactions feel a lot less personal compared to other characters, and it just feels weird when the rest of the narrative is so well written and interwoven.

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i was actually a bit surprised at how much his popularity rose after full release

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but again, a lot of people relate to him

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mostly us neurodivergent folks :)

slim geyser
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interesting!

narrow hemlock
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hey lets not dig that back up please, move on

twin thistle
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we shall pretend we didnt scroll up

narrow hemlock
devout terrace
brisk trail
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im so dumb there was a fishing spot in greece, but i figured i talk to persephone before fishing

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and i died during the conversation and missed the fish lmao

narrow hemlock
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yeah you cant do that, talking to her finishes the run

brisk trail
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yea i forgor

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"mom i know im literally breaking out of hell to talk to you for 5 mins, but first i have to catch this fish"

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lol

tribal sleet
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i love hypnos

ebon tapir
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I wasn't his biggest fan after the first time you meet him with him rubbing your death in your face, but he grew on me a bit. I do agree that at times he seems a little disconnected from everything else, but I also haven't had him trigger for any talking events with really anyone else. Honestly a bit surprised he isn't a potential love interest just to make it even 2 male and 2 female.

tribal sleet
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just a cool guy

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well i think jt wld be weird to date than’s brother if ur dating him, bjt ig if ur not dating than

ebon tapir
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Fair. Guess it would complicate your relationship with than especially considering you can already be with than and Meg. I've just seen a lot of fanfiction with people shipping him and zag

hushed lotus
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Does Price of Midas (coin for a "blood price") shrink your max health?

gray apex
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No

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It just damages you pretty much

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Your max health is the same

hushed lotus
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Thought so, must've misunderstood the corner of my eye

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Thanks

wary mural
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apparently hades burnt his hands by holding zagreus lol

mint coral
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related to max health dumbness
i thought the Chaos boon that have more hp just healed you bouldy

gray apex
tribal sleet
wary mural
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true

slim geyser
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ayyy just got beowulf

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well

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the phrase for beowulf

gray apex
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Nice

wary mural
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time to tryppy flare

mint coral
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enjoy the bugs

slim geyser
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cant wait

hushed lotus
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Does the bug apply to all casts?

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And what's with the poms

gray apex
# hushed lotus And what's with the poms

The Mirage Bug applies to all Beo flares (although Thunder Flare has 0 Blast damage so it’s 0x2 bouldy ), the poms are for Trippy Flare only, they are double what the tooltip says

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There are more Beo bugs but those are the major ones for the most part

hushed lotus
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Ahh

mint coral
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Hera doesnt for whatever reason

hushed lotus
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mhm

gray apex
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Yea

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Trippy Flare hera just gets the Mirage bug

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A wise man once said: “This game works in mysterious ways bouldy

mint coral
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thunder flare backstabbing comes to mind

placid storm
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@mint coral whats the bug ur talking abt

mint coral
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thunder flare backstab? literally that

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not even on purpose

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just happens, sometimes

gray apex
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Value gaming bouldy

twin thistle
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beowulf is cursed bouldy

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or blessed

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one or the other

mint coral
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both

placid storm
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Blursed

frosty bluff
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I just started a new save, got to the Elysium Boss. That felt really good getting that far on a first run. Hoping I can make it to [redacted] sometime on a first run!

brisk trail
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you will

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you got this bro

timber whale
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I just started playing this morning and now I've wasted the whole day playing

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But i did get all the way to Elysium at least which is cool

azure trellis
frosty bluff
azure trellis
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Yeah first attempt clear would be pretty interesting

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I assume there's special dialogue for that

frosty bluff
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I would assume so yeah.

marble badge
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sadly it is nothing special

hushed lotus
brisk trail
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first hit

hushed lotus
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Thanks

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Zeus cast drives me up the wall the way it doesn't do that

runic parrot
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i forgot the elysian arrow traps deal 100 dmg on hs 😶

brisk trail
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yea those arent "take this much dmg"

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theyre "lose 1 defiance"

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death

runic parrot
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i only had 100 hp

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"huh. i forgot they do a base 20 dmg"

frosty bluff
hushed lotus
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Can't believe I stuck with HS for so long at low heats

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"but it made you smarter at avoiding traps" no it didn't

unreal adder
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is charged shot for the shield good or nah

hushed lotus
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Yeah

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If nothing else it gives you a good ranged move

unreal adder
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yeah ig

proud pilot
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Hello guys o/

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I wanted to know if EM was impacting Charon?

runic parrot
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nope!

proud pilot
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Ok thanks 🙂

wet nimbus
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My skelly is faded disappeared.

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Didn’t know hades offered vacation time 😂

brisk trail
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skelly isnt employed by hades

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he told me who he works for after about 80 wins lol

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||its charon||

cold canopy
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Just beat the game to crests. Really impressed with how the story played out

misty berry
slim geyser
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god hades is so ANNOYING
ill say “oh im gonna get off for today” but then have a build idea i want to try so i log on and the cycle never stops

devout peak
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I caught my first rare fish

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I caught a sturgeon

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it gave me a titan blood

fast willow
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isnt sturgeon the legendary

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and bass is the rare

gray apex
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I think so

devout peak
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i said rare as in not common

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idk what rarity it is

devout peak
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guys

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i have a very hard choice

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i can choose between scintillating feast

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or zeus legendary

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what do i take

twin thistle
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splitting bolt prolly. like whats your build

devout peak
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i took the legendary

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bc i have smair

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i am doing eris

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with smair

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zeus call

twin thistle
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yeah splitting does way more there.
no zeus attack?

devout peak
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i couldn't get it

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at all

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i spent one roll on it when the run started

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with the keepsake

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but no luck

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I have aphro flourish with unhealthy fixation and smair with zeus call

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and zeus legendary

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so I'm fine

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and i won

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let's goo

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pops got melted

high island
last veldt
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Scintillating with double strike is like having a constant Zeus call. However if you had Smair on Zeus anyway, Splitting is the way to go.

twin thistle
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idk if scintillating uptime is even that great if dad keeps running out of your fog

gray apex
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Yea I like splitting + call

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Should be more damage overall

high island
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I wanna see the math for that. dusa

gray apex
queen lichen
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What are decorative themes and what do they do?

high island
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They change the look of your life gauge, boon list, etc.

queen lichen
high island
queen lichen
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Ok

azure trellis
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Where do you get em?

high island
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House Contractor. Work Orders.

brisk trail
polar quail
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I love Zeus shield

polar quail
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You only need 1 ambrosia each for the gods to max them out right?

hearty mural
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I think most require 1, all the companions require more, nyx and hermes off the top of my head are 3 and 2 respectively

brisk trail
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What is the easiest way to get chtonic friend?

lone kernel
# brisk trail What is the easiest way to get chtonic friend?

Ugh, I gave up on the Witcher because I didn’t like that storyline with the baron. But it’s like everything in the game - keep doing runs, keep giving nectar and ambrosia to people, prioritize Meg since hers is based, then it’s like 10 more ambrosia to max it out each I think?

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You’ll generally get your first one after the credits I think but someone else please confirm or update this particular bullet point cause I’m not positive

hearty mural
oak ibex
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sweats in how I spammed giving Than a crap ton of nectar and ambrosia

lone kernel
oak ibex
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AMEN

woeful lotus
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Simping for Than is just kind of mandatory

lone kernel
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I wasn’t feeling him tbh - the edge lord archetype is not one I find super engaging or attractive

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Reminded me too much of an ex that was also doom and gloom all the damn time

woeful lotus
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I find him anything but a edge lord but fair

signal aspen
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what happens if i dont simp for him

woeful lotus
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Then Aphrodite puts on clothing

lone kernel
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Honestly, fair trade

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Idk it’s like too well written and uncanny lol like how it was constant “you should know what the problem is” nonsense I’m a grown man screw that noise

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I’d trade than for an asterius love triangle plot in a heartbeat, I love asterius he’s basically Ancient Greek stipe miocic

woeful lotus
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I have a 12y nephew and it took him way to long to realize that dite was naked

lone kernel
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Find you an ex heavyweight champion

woeful lotus
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I think asterius would work better with hypnos + super jealous thesueus

lone kernel
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I’m just thinking what I’d want in my own Ancient Greek mythical boyfriend

woeful lotus
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Kinda low key zag then

oak ibex
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I personally find Than to be more nuanced than (ha, get it than-) "edgy lord boy" simply because his main motivation in the game is that he doesn't want his beloved childhood friend who he may-or-may-not-have-a-crush-on to leave before at least saying bye first. Not to mention he helps Zag all the time even though he (initially) denies it lol

lone kernel
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i worry my brain doesnt work properly

oak ibex
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I'm the complete opposite lmao

lone kernel
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im the guy that reads content like yours and thinks, oh that makes sense

oak ibex
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It's so bad: I'm worse than an overanalyzing high school English teacher

lone kernel
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i was like, who is this guy and why is he so rude

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then we're hooking up

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uh

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wut

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but yeah, that does make a lot more sense, i missed things because i'm thick

oak ibex
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pat pat

lone kernel
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i guess that's why i was drawn to asterius as a replacement lol he's like, a dudebro i'd love to have a beer with lol

oak ibex
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I do understand how it could be interpreted like that lol

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Asterius is so wholesome I wish we could have romanced him

lone kernel
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i got sweaty tryhard, my hades brain cells went towards git gud more than plot lol

oak ibex
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But his relationship with Theseus is also very funny

elfin trout
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I like artemis

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Lmao

lone kernel
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yeah, i'd be lying if i said antagonizing theseus wasnt a part of it KEKW

oak ibex
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Especially the arc when Theseus is like "ARE WE STILL FRIENDS?!" and Asterius is like "...Yes?!"

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I love when Artemis and Ares interact

Ares: May I play with your weapons
Artemis: PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE

elfin trout
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Nah

lone kernel
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i wish they had a few more duo boon lines

elfin trout
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Artemis asks for the bow

lone kernel
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rather than one and done lol

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i wonder is there a way to reset the dialogue but not lose progression

elfin trout
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She wants to use coronact

lone kernel
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even if its just a random pressure points on hera

oak ibex
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Artemis wanting to use coronaucht is also very wholesome

elfin trout
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Artemis bow?

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Oh

oak ibex
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But I still love her rare but hilarious interactions with Ares

elfin trout
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Using artemis boons with bow

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Kinda sad you cant romance artemis

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Even though she likes zag

lone kernel
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and she likes you because she can't hear you lol

elfin trout
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Nah she like

turbid quest
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hello

elfin trout
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Warms up to zag

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Then she has an interaction with aphro

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Shes like

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Zag i have something important

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To tell you

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Then aphro appears

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Saying something drew her there

turbid quest
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i wanted to participate in the discussion but i didnt have anything to say lol

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well, im going to flex that i got 2 winning runs in a row, with weapons i havent played before

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with shield first, then with fists

elfin trout
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Nice

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I love the fists

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I dont want to spoil anything but their fun

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They're*

turbid quest
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yeah, i thought of using zeus attack boon

turbid quest
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and its pretty strong

elfin trout
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Yeah

lone kernel
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yeah zeus on fists is pretty damn strong

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get jolted asap then go win

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easy game

turbid quest
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i got best time, like 22minutes

elfin trout
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Zeus with fast autos is super goos

turbid quest
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oh wait no, 23:33 to be exact

lone kernel
turbid quest
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sure thing, thanks

lone kernel
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and yeah, it's chill - like if you have questions/need help, just ask, someone will come along and give you way more info than you were requesting

turbid quest
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i know its chill here, though thanks for warm words

lone kernel
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cheers bud

turbid quest
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i need to find where does steam keep screenshots, gimme a while

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ok found it

elfin trout
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Steam ss are so weird

turbid quest
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they are in fact weird

elfin trout
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I never know how they work

turbid quest
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what dont you know? the hotkey? or where are they stored

elfin trout
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I can use my controller to ss

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But then idk where it keeps them

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They might be in a file

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On your computer

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Ot they might be on steam if you saved them specifically

turbid quest
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when you choose hades (or any game) in your library, youll find a few screenshots you made

elfin trout
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I tied to share my boonless run but couldnt find the ss

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Sadge

turbid quest
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right-click any of these, then click "manage screenshots", it will launch a new window, on the bottom of it there's "show on disc" or sth like that

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yes it is hidden in a not cool way

elfin trout
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Ohhh

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Ok

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Thats why i couldnt see any

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The only ones i could see

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Is if i went to my profile

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Recent activity

turbid quest
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hmm

elfin trout
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Hades then ss in hades then saved them to cloud

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It was bad

turbid quest
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so you found the folder in the end?

elfin trout
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No i would only get the ss i took that day

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But now I know ty

turbid quest
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no prooooblem

lone kernel
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I usually just print screen it after a win, I’m lazy

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Way faster lol

elfin trout
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Ive tried that but steam say

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No my ss

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And steals it

turbid quest
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im back to stygius and wow its trash!

elfin trout
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I love support fire on fists

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Always good to get

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Base stygius isnt too bad

west eagle
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you need to select "save an uncompressed copy" @elfin trout

elfin trout
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?

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Oh

west eagle
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steam settings- in game

elfin trout
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For steam

west eagle
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make a new folder

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yea

elfin trout
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Oh cool

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It just goes to that folder?

west eagle
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or else it just saves a thumbnail

turbid quest
west eagle
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yea

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but also saves a compressed file to the game folder in screenshots

elfin trout
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Oh thats sick ty

west eagle
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yep

elfin trout
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@turbid quest crit is p fun on zag sword

turbid quest
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im doing the crit run right now

elfin trout
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You can hit things so much

turbid quest
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i am waiting for some damage boon

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btw, are fists with poison attack good?

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this sounds pretty solid, but just asking

brisk trail
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poison attack?

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hangover?

last veldt
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Thanks Demeter. Epic Rare Crop in chamber 3 after picking up an Epic in chamber 1.

karmic pond
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Got so lucky it was unlucky

polar quail
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Got my first five sack. I wasn’t speedrunning but

lone kernel
polar quail
lone kernel
devout terrace
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lol I still remember that one time I got 4 sack tiny vermin on 52 heat beo

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Still wonsquirtdevious

lone kernel
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once you get into stubborn defiance territory you also get to start worrying if your patty sauce will wear off before the dad fight

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(touch of styx dark is patty sauce now)

devout terrace
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Yeahbouldy

devout terrace
lone kernel
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nope it's patty sauce

devout terrace
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Whats the 10% from wells then

lone kernel
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still touch of styx

brisk trail
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chary sauce

sour isle
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wants to try a crustal beam build
takes demeter keepsake
only 1 demeter boon pops up the entire run

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why

last veldt
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Yeah, I was aiming for Hunting Blades last run and forced Artemis in Asphodel. Got exactly one boon from her too.

elfin trout
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I wish there was a mod

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That like

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Made it so you only get one god per run

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That would be fun

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Or one god and hermes

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Bc full blade rift or full crit is hard to get but fun

signal aspen
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you can just use the codex mod to give you all the boons you need

elfin trout
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Oh true

elfin trout
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Idk if im lucky

twin thistle
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rolling miniboss doors with fated authority can get you a good amount of one god usually

elfin trout
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But 95% of the time i get it in 2

twin thistle
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2 sacks are like 52-3%

elfin trout
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Yeah holy crap

lone kernel
elfin trout
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It rerolls the room

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Rather than the boons

lone kernel
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(nah I know I just never use it)

elfin trout
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Oh true

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It wasnt bad for completed the fates list

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Fated*

devout terrace
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Its good for boonless runs

elfin trout
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Yeah

devout terrace
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Just roll the gods awaydusa

elfin trout
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I think i am just unnaturally lucky

twin thistle
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or just spamming zeus boons

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splitting bolt in tartarus stonks

elfin trout
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I get 2 sack majority of the time

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And yesterday

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I got splitting bolt as my 3rd boon from zeus

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And i got bad news as my second hermes boon

lone kernel
elfin trout
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Btw does anyone know

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For stubborn defiance

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The chaos boon

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Idk its actual name

twin thistle
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it just gets used after stubborn

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and no it doesn't regen

elfin trout
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Does it have a higher chance of spawning if i dont have any death defiances!

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Defiances?*

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Bc ive never found it

twin thistle
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nah

elfin trout
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And ive put like

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100+ runs into the game

twin thistle
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the base chance is just like 1%

elfin trout
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Jeez

twin thistle
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use egg and legacy

elfin trout
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Yeah i have max legacy

twin thistle
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also can only be from your second chaos or something

elfin trout
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Ive had it for a while and never found it unfortunately

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Yeah

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You need 1 chaos boon

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Egg is a good idea tho ty

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I forgot about that

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I only need that

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To learn the lyre

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And to beat charon again

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To complete the list

devout terrace
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🥚

elfin trout
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I wish egg garunteed a chaos gate

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It would be

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Actually useful

devout terrace
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If you find a light of ixion in a charon well it can be worth it

elfin trout
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Yeah

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Always worth

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Im close to finishing the game (except the badges) which is sad

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But i want to try and speedrun it afterwards

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So i can keep playing

thorn gust
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tfw I take light of ixion, then take too much damage that I can't pay the blood price to enter the gate

elfin trout
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^

mint coral
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use a death defiance dusa

smoky dune
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Quick question, between a chaos gate and trial of gods, which one is the best option?

mint coral
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if you have traps available thats it

twin thistle
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depends tm

hearty mural
polar quail
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How much hp does calisenthics program add to hades

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Level 1

twin thistle
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he has like base 15k-17k hp i forget

gray apex
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17K

devout terrace
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Yeah

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And cp2 em4 is over 80kbouldy

gray apex
twin thistle
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wait isnt cp2 22k per health bar

polar quail
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I’m only doing calisthenics program for the prophecy

devout terrace
gray apex
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yea

lone kernel
# brisk trail What was wrong with that

I've struggled with depression on and off for years and playing a game with ||the miscarriage ghost|| i noped out of it. (spoilers for the witcher, absolutely a trigger warning. don't click it unless you really care about the witcher)

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need either better vibes or no story lol

devout terrace
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I remember that quest

lone kernel
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yeah im like..this is the first quarter

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this gets worse

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and this is a jankfest

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nope

devout terrace
lone kernel
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hammered? im already hammered

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championship sunday

devout terrace
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Im stoned-bouldy

gray apex
feral belfry
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Just read the rest of your message

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Fair enough, it's dark, but it can have a happyish ending if you go that route

proud pilot
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Guys i wanted to know, do bosses have "armor"? I mean, all the boons that increase your dmg to armor do they have an impact on bosses or not?

mint coral
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Lernie small heads/minions summoned in furies/dad fight are the only affected in boss fights

proud pilot
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okay ! so yeah armor damage has no impact on bosses! thanks 🙂

lavish acorn
woeful lotus
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Love armor piercing boons, lets you stagger stuff and you dont have to care about the shields

lone kernel
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yeah, just lernie. nail of talos in asphodel wells is $$$$

devout terrace
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Piercing fire hestiazagluv

copper canyon
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Just want to give the folks from Supergiant a huge thanks for Hades. Saw the Noclip videos on what you've gone through releasing the game, went to Steam, and made a purchase. Looks amazing.

placid storm
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What's the point of levelling up Hera? idk what "bloodstone drop time" exactly means lol

gray apex
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If you shoot a cast it can get stuck in an enemy

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Since Hera's whole thing is about casts this passive helps you retrieve them faster

twin thistle
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mostly for boss damage since a decent build will usually kill regular enemies in a single volley

polar quail
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What pact is the best at getting high damage attacks

twin thistle
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wdym

polar quail
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Damaging bosses maybe?

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I guess it’s dependent on the build more than the aspect

twin thistle
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wdym pact thanthink

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meant aspect?

polar quail
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I mean aspect

twin thistle
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beo ig

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like its literally broken

slim geyser
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sea storm Chiron fun

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just got my 5th clear

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gotta go beat dad up with the sword and ill have one on all weapons

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god persephones garden is so dangpretty

gray apex
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Beo bossing is insane yea

proud pilot
#

Just unlocked the last hidden aspect! Now got them all 😄

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I now need the last companion, but it can wait, meg do the job pretty well 😄

lone kernel
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beo prob has the best damage to complexity of your Ancient Greek Rube Goldberg death machine ratio

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Eris also up there

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You kinda need to know what you’re doing with beo, Eris is slap Zeus on it and go brr

brisk trail
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I activated +400% damage traps and died from blade in temple having exactly 100hp

hearty mural
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That heat condition is such a trick because yoy think “traps don’t matter than much” and then you realize how often you get hit by them. Usually not worth the 1 heat

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Like the urns in the hades fight count as traps and those are already bad

high island
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Traps that don't really hurt you aren't fun.

polar quail
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Heightened security moment

versed mason
slim geyser
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i hate the magma in asphodel

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my controller is kind of slippery so sometimes ill slide right into it

brisk trail
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i too thought traps was a great first heat idea 🤠

thorn gust
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just use sure footing from athena 4Head

brisk trail
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i switched to the boss moves one, might as well learn early

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is there a good ordering of the heats?

thorn gust
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what kinda heat are you going for?

brisk trail
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3 squirtnya

thorn gust
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3 heat? well you could start off small with something like 1 or 2 points in damage control and maybe either jury summons/calisthenics program

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or put 1-2 points in tight deadline if you're already not too slow in your runs

brisk trail
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i wish you got retroactive bounties, i did a 3 heat clear already but had to go back

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im slow as all heck, im just now getting into reading the wiki and mapping out the build more than 1 chamber beforehand

thorn gust
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if your runs aren't typically in the 36+ minute range, you could just dump the points in tight deadline and you won't feel a single difference between 3 heat and 0 heat

brisk trail
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ill try 1 and see how i fare

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im experimenting/learning so i dont really clear for time yet

thorn gust
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1 point of damage control is also for the most part going to make like 0 difference in the early heat runs

brisk trail
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is that 15%hp?

thorn gust
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nah the 1 blue heart

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enemies just block your first attack against them

brisk trail
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how oppressive is the +hp%?

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the 1 blue heart sounds easy

thorn gust
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well bosses get noticeably tankier at 15% more hp

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but normal enemies will basically just take 1 extra attack before they die for the most part

brisk trail
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that's great

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are there any like trap that should be heavily avoided?

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i kinda feel like on low heats they won't be adding up to much

thorn gust
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well since you're still super early in your heats, forced overtime can take several runs to get used to

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the 20%- 40% speed is no joke

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enemies spawn faster, attack faster, and even revive faster in elysium

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some enemies are also a pain to chase down because they jump around or run around the map at mach 3

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extreme measures 1 and 2 are actually not too bad, so I would actually consider that a reverse trap

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it sounds scary facing against upgraded versions of bosses, but the upgraded fury sisters and hydra fight aren't actually too bad

brisk trail
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oooh it's only 1 boss each level??

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i thought it was 1 new move for all bosses lol

thorn gust
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nah, it changes the boss fights starting from tatarus

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so if you do extreme measures 1, only the fury sisters get changed while the rest of the bosses stay the same

brisk trail
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i thought the furies new tag team act was a story progression lol

thorn gust
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benefits package and middle management might also take a few runs to get used to

brisk trail
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are the perks like diablo-style add ons?

thorn gust
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I havent played diablo, but there's a whole list of perks that benefits package can add to armored enemies

brisk trail
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and mini bosses are my hardest fights now so im avoiding middle mgmt

thorn gust
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but it's anything ranging from very straight forward "this guy goes very fast/ hits very hard"

brisk trail
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bad bot

thorn gust
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to "holy *** this guy can summon a bunch of clones of itself"

brisk trail
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the ones that mess with boons seem kind of tedious

thorn gust
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the enemies will have a little icon near their HP bar that indicates what perk they have, and there's also a prophecy in the fated list that requires you to learn about what all the icons mean (if I remember correctly)

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and yeah, pacts that mess with your boons and builds are generally some of the worst to take just 'cuz no one likes running around with a dud build

mint coral
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AP hurts you mentally

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Cause it shows you the boons that got blocked

thorn gust
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that said, by itself, underworld customs is actually pretty safe

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reason being, as you start doing more runs, you'll start to realize you can end up with a bunch of boons that don't actually contribute too much to the end-game of your build anyway

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like "do I realllly need this vengeance boon when my game plan doesnt involve getting hit a billion times?"

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and yeah, as someone mentioned earlier, avoid heightened security like the plague when you're that early in your heated runs

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getting one shotted by falling axes/sawblades/urns is not fun

runic parrot
#

if AP doesnt show you the blocked boons my psyche wouldnt be as irreparably damaged as it is when using it

brisk trail
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that sounds cruel squirtyay

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but aye now that ive started reading about the boons and their pathways and duos and stuff im catching myself with a lot of nonsense

thorn gust
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sometimes you're forced to take the nonsense 'cuz it's not worth rerolling them/you ran out of rerolls

polar quail
#

I hate poison so much. I had 2 dds and now I have no dds

thorn gust
#

and that's where underworld customs come into play

brisk trail
#

will i need to make a new game to do hell mode?

tropic arrow
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Tf

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"Replenish all uses of Stubborn Defiance"

tropic arrow
#

Why would I ever need that?

mint coral
#

There is also a mod on pc to swap iirc

tropic arrow
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Why's that even an option

brisk trail
mint coral
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What boon/item are you seeing?

brisk trail
#

i guess if im going to do hell mode i might as well do it asap

brisk trail
tropic arrow
#

But it's stubborn defiance

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It can't not be there when you're in the room

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so

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There's nothing to be replenished

brisk trail
#

whos giving it

#

patroclus?

tropic arrow
#

Yup

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Sorry shouldve included the context

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Thought that was implied

brisk trail
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Patroclus with SD makes ur sd heal for 50% of ur max hp more for 15 encounters

tropic arrow
#

I'm using Chinese

brisk trail
#

i said more

mint coral
#

Oop

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Cant read moment

brisk trail
#

xd

slim geyser
#

i have no idea how my friend manages to be this lucky
yeah this is their second run and got sea storm right off the bat

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and like thats not too rare i think

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but im incredibly unlucky

tropic arrow
#

It's just

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A matter of time

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Keep playing and you'll get your crazy lucky games

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(Also the extremely unlucky ones)

whole epoch
#

Hey guys, I'm searching for Hades voice lines in-game. Looking for one where Hades says "Erebus", for a project.

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Only pieces I can find of him are very low quality.

tropic arrow
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Go find the extracted audio files

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Search for "FSB extractor"

slim geyser
#

damn so apparently escaping with each weapon is quite helpful

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got the titans blood did skellys favor then used the diamonds to ||free Achilles||

slim geyser
#

give me a fun build any weapons

azure trellis
slim geyser
#

why not

shadow pebble
#

funny story i was playin on keyboard couldn't get past minos and the other one

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someone told me to try using a controller did that beat hades first try

azure trellis
#

Bro i just fought EM3 Champs for the first time

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I literally died laughing

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WHO ALLOWED THAT

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😂

slim geyser
#

thats when other guy gets a chariot right

azure trellis
#

It's like a frickin Aston Martin

real wadi
#

hades game

thorn gust
#

okay so I just had a random thought

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what if hermes has a call?

twin thistle
#

if there wasnt dad call, then dad call would pretty much be what id expect from hermes

thorn gust
#

except instead of ||invis||, it'd be dodge right?

twin thistle
#

prolly

thorn gust
#

you could make it something nutty like you move so fast that you summon an afterimage that mimics your actions

devout peak
#

Zagreus, the guy who wants to become the Hokage of the underworld so he can acquire the One piece and save society from Sukuna

thorn gust
#

with his hidden aspect bankai

devout peak
#

Aizen planned this plotline too

devout peak
thorn gust
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oh what if herme's call is: zagreus moves so fast that everything slows down to forced overtime negative 40% lol

twin thistle
#

ngl thatd make it harder for me to dodge stuff

slim geyser
#

maybe it’s just zagreus becomes filthy rich
that’s it thats the whole call

thorn gust
#

what, so prerequisite side hustle?

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I mean it would be a funny foreshadow/callout to ||hermes' relation with charon|| as well

mint coral
#

Another day on reddit i see people do RI2/ap2 for 32 heat bouldy

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Hl0/lc2/td2 too

chrome reef
#

People who do RI2 are masochists

devout terrace
#

Ri2 below 50 heatbouldy

last veldt
#

That was my first 32 heat. I didn't know any better.

mint coral
#

The first time i looked at those pacts i went "not touching this outside of proohecy ever"

devout terrace
#

Same

rare hull
#

Have people done Blindfolded speedrunning for Hades before?

gray apex
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Nope

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Blindfolded runs were done but none of them are speedruns

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And there isn't really any leaderboard/rules for them

runic parrot
#

aren't they basically impossible to optimise anyway

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without help from someone looking at the screen that is

gray apex
#

Well yea you cant really do a blindfolded run without assistance in some way

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Because you'll die in Asphodel lava bouldy

runic parrot
rare hull
rare hull
gray apex
#

Yea sound surely helps

high island
lone kernel
rare hull
lethal island
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@brisk trail gonna move the convo here

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The in game timer pauses in a lot of spots throughout the game so the idea of a 10 minute run isn’t entirely out of the question

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A big thing with speedrunning is knowing how to effectively get really strong builds and how to pilot those builds to effectively clear out rooms

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And also getting free rooms so you don’t have to fight combats lol

fast willow
#

im happiest when i get to play the game without playing the game

lethal island
#

Truly the life of a hades speedruner

gray apex
steep comet
#

is it possible to buy more than 2 kiss of styx premium?

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if 2 of my DDs are gone, can I rebuy both?

lethal island
#

Well there is only one Patty

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Oh from the well

steep comet
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yeah

lethal island
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Yea multiple can spawn

steep comet
#

ah nice

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thanks

thorn gust
#

there are also 2 athena boons that can regenerate DDs

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if you run athena in your build, a good trick is to avoid taking those 2 DD boons early in the run when you still have all of your DDs

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later on when elysium and styx come around, you'll likely run into athena again and they might come in handy

thorn gust
#

I think the way the game works is that the first 4 gods that you choose in your run-- not including chaos/hermes, are the gods that get locked in

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i.e. once you choose boons from 4 different gods, no other gods will show up for the rest of the run unless you force them with keepsakes

steep comet
#

I do get boons from 5.-6. gods sometimes but very rarely

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but yeah I did notice that you get the gods you already picked more often

thorn gust
#

this is important when you run athena cuz once pick a boon from athena (i.e. her dash), that means there's a good chance athena will show up again in the later areas--giving you access to revives in elysium and styx

steep comet
#

tho sometimes it's not up to you, many times there is only 1 next chamber with a boon, so sometimes you just can't build some gods unless you keepsake them

thorn gust
#

mhm

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but yeah it's something to keep in mind that if you have 0 athena boons in your build by the time you hit styx, you're not getting those juicy revives unless you keepsake her

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and at that point, you're probably better off running using acorn or something to keep you alive

polar quail
#

Does god keepsakes even work in styx

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Not that I would equip them at that point

thorn gust
#

I think so (??!) I think one of the tunnels should show up with the god you choose

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could be wrong tho since I basically never run them in styx lol

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thing is, if you're in the hypothetical scenario where you're trying to run athena keepsake in styx for the revive, the best case is that you get 1 extra revive

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cuz if you have 0 athena boons by the time you hit styx, charon's shop sure as hell won't have an athena boon waiting for you

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at that point, you might as well just equip the acorn and hope for the best lol

steep comet
#

pray for a patty

thorn gust
#

pray for a well inside one of the tunnels you chose

broken cradle
#

what would be the least spoilery explanation of what i need to do in order to unlock all the legendary weapon aspects?

steep comet
#

ok for styx, yeah

broken cradle
#

so far i have spear and bow

steep comet
#

how many 32heat runs i failed cuz none of the styx wells had DD...

broken cradle
mint coral
#

Ye

broken cradle
#

i remember there was some specific ruling

thorn gust
broken cradle
#

was it, have at least 5 blood spent on a weapon?

thorn gust
#

I think so? either way, just spend some blood on at least 1 aspect from each weapon and keep talking to everyone and eventually you'll get them all

broken cradle
#

alrighty thanks!

mint coral
#

Spear is the only different requisite

brisk trail
#

didnt even realize i got the hidden fists wake words lol

polar quail
#

What’s a good way to practice not taking damage

brisk trail
#

does anyone else's game get laggy when you spam special with fists?

polar quail
#

Even with 15 wins under my belt I’m still trash at dodging certain attacks

feral belfry
#

Obverse the enemies from a distance

#

Really focus on their attack patterns

#

Most enemies only have 1 or 2 attacks

#

Then it becomes about being able to react to multiple of them

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Or keep one alive and dodge around it

spice hearth
#

Throw on the butterfly and get the bonus as high as possible

gray apex
#

Just keep doing runs honestly

#

But keep that goal in your mind and dont be reckless

#

Learn to empty dash and iframe stuff

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at melee range

#

like dashing through a dad or theseus spin

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instead of backing away

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helps you realize how iframes work and when you should be dashing etc

polar quail
#

That was my best thesus and Asterius

#

Only took23 damage at the end of the fight

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And it was my first time correctly timing to hit both of them with meg instead of just thesus

feral belfry
#

I still struggle with the double meg hit

raw herald
#

Just tap up as soon as you enter then hit summon

polar quail
#

I still died to hades though even after not losing any defiances. Ugh

thorn gust
#

when you do other actions in the middle of your dash, I believe you cut your invuln frames short

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so while it's fun to rapidly smash buttons like a gorilla- especially when you have fun boons that encourage that kind of gameplay...at the end of the day, it's important to know how and when you use your dashes to also maximize survivability while maintaining that offense

mint coral
#

unless your weapon can allow you to unga bunga anyways

#

looking at you eris bouldy

thorn gust
#

man I don't know how people do fresh file runs

#

aside from losing death/stubborn defiances, the absolutely most brutal part of doing a fresh file/no mirror run is only having 1 dash

brisk trail
#

Yeee new pb
25 mins

steep comet
#

is that the bloody baron himself?? playing hades?

#

congrats btw

brisk trail
#

It looks a little alike

steep comet
#

its Nacho from better call saul

brisk trail
#

A J Weston

steep comet
#

does look kinda similar lol

brisk trail
#

Especially when it's little on the phone

steep comet
#

yep

feral belfry
#

Your pic reminds me of the bloody Baron

brisk trail
#

It's mister Filip Stenger

brisk trail
#

Show some respect

proud pilot
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Guys i need your opinions about Privileged Status and Family Favorite. Do you change it depending on the build you're planning? Do you always use the same? I feel like its very easy to get 2 curse so i'm always using PS now but i could be wrong? I need your opinions/tips ^^

mint coral
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Yeah changes depending

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Fav is the "pick and dont worry about it"

proud pilot
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yeah true ^^

mint coral
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Priv is for hangover builds/passion flare + snow burst mostly

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And if it involves artemis you probably want fav cause mark isnt reliable enough for priv

slim geyser
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usually go with privileged status

proud pilot
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I have the same question with Gods' pride and Gods' legacy. Im always using Legacy because i like duo boons but i feel like sometimes getting some epic boons would be better

slim geyser
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is there a way to get extra casts that isnt chaos btw

modern garnet
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Artemis legendary, pool of charon

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Mirror

mint coral
proud pilot
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Okay 🙂 well thanks for the tips !

brisk trail
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as for Legacy, unless theres 2+ duos or legendaries you want in the build you have planned, go pride

raw herald
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I use FF >99% of the time

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Pride on everything except Beowulf

wary mural
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can you still fight hades if he letts me go

azure trellis
wary mural
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sad

azure trellis
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its important though

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go head out and talk to seph

wary mural
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im going

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mommy coming home wooooooooooooooooooooooooo

azure trellis
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told you

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😛

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welcome to postgame

wary mural
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thx

oak ibex
wary mural
feral belfry
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Top and bottom good

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F needs some work

wary mural
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yeah

hearty mural
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Incredibly based top S, very conflicted on below F, F could use a lot of work

oak ibex
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Glad we can all agree that F tier needs to be improved

wary mural
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yep

gray apex
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This tierlist is missing bouldy

oak ibex
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They really do be disrespecting my girl Eurydice how dare they

And we need to put bouldy on there too

wary mural
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IM MAKING ONE

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oops capslock

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wait how can i send it lol

raw herald
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Post to Imgur then paste the link

wary mural
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ok

slim geyser
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or post it to dms or another server and paste media link

wary mural
feral belfry
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Awful

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Nyx S

wary mural
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im not a big nix fan

feral belfry
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Great Theseus tier tho

hearty mural
azure trellis
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Meg, Nyx S, Achilles A, Demeter should get her own tier between D and Theseus

hearty mural
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I’m really conflicted on thesues because his character is such a douche and he may have killed me more times than I like to admit but no dialogue makes me laugh more than his and the “complicated” narrator death message

"So complicated is the path to the well-hidden cottage of Persephone that surface-walking Zagreus on this particular occasion sadly zigs instead of zags, plummeting from off a precipice into most-familiar waters…"

slim geyser
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i had a ranking somewhere

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ill just redo it

feral belfry
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Nyx bouley def s

twin thistle
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bouldy above s

feral belfry
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God tier

brisk trail
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hmm cold fusion or storm lightning

hearty mural
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Depends if you can get the legendary afterward/how often you are applying jolted

thorn gust
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okay so I was just pondering with some ideas for cast based daedalus hammer upgrades for cast based aspects

brisk trail
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aye it was right before zeus so i went cold fusion

thorn gust
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like what if for hera/beowulf, there would be a hammer upgrade that loads all bloodstones simultaneously with a single button press? it would be kind a double edged sword in some cases -- if you know your attack is gonna overkill smaller enemies, sometimes you dont want to load everything at once

brisk trail
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meme build, posideon sword + zeus cast + exit wounds

thorn gust
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but against minibosses/bosses, you basically get to turn your brain off

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I guess beowulf exclusive unyielding defense is a cast based hammer-- which is honestly a shame since other weapons that can make use of casts get kinda shafted

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other fun ideas could include giving small bonuses when you pick up a bloodstone

brisk trail
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chaos just gave me the shield words but i have the bow ?

oak ibex
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I love how whether we like him or not, we all agree Theseus is his own tier. Where that tier is placed is the subject of contention.

chrome wharf
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oh are we tierlisting again

chrome wharf
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been reading other greek myth based media and Man is Poseidon a total sexist jerk

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feel bad for liking him so much in the game

wary mural
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and then we have zeus mates with evrything he finds

brisk trail
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thesus used to scare me but the last couple of times ive accidentally killed him before minos

chrome wharf
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how else did Zag have so many cousins

wary mural
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true

chrome wharf
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cousins from Poseidon's side DLC when /s

brisk trail
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is there a setting for making the game not pause when i alt tab

wary mural
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its good taht itbpaues imagine alt tabbing and dying

brisk trail
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id rather be able to control pauses with escape key tho

wary mural
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or your timer heat forgot name keeps ticking to zero

chrome wharf
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tech support might have answers

thorn gust
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I like it cuz it lets me occasionally alt tab to double check on some discord chat or to make sure OBS didn't crap out on me if I was recording a run

brisk trail
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aye ill ask tech supp

chrome wharf
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was referring to my tierlist lol

oak ibex
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All that said, Greek mythos is based on a patriarchal society, so most (if not all) myths have super sexist themes. In fact, a lot of myths have been reshaped to be made palatable to more modern audiences because oh my god they were bad

feral belfry
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Yup

dry island
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wow you guys have a nendroid...that is cool

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yeah most of the greek gods are just sex offenders/some of the goddesses too... i kinda wonder why they even teach these in schools...even if edited you grow up and learn how horrible a situation was

oak ibex
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It's still valuable to learn from both a literary and historical perspective. That's a brief BRIEF summation of a whole rant I am trying to withhold about why even problematic literature should continue to be taught (see recent incident with Maus), but again, I am going to hold myself back lmao

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Not to mention a lot of marginalized groups have reclaimed these stories as their own, and it's amazing. Hadestown is another amazing example of reclaimed Greek myths that retells Orpheus and Eurydice through a lens that incorporates capitalism, climate change, and even feminism.

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(Lmao this is why I am hoping to create a Banned Book Club at my uni)

tribal sleet
tribal sleet
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greek mythology has been a huge interest kf mine since i was in 2nd grade tho jts kinda silly

bleak bobcat
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Man this game would be so much better with dlc

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kind of sad that we aren’t getting any

azure trellis
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my version

tribal sleet
runic parrot
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hermes at the top, everyone else in F tier for me (apart from bouldy and cerb who gets honorary mention)

narrow hemlock
slim geyser
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oh my god hermes’ +3 dash charges IS SO FUN