Just buy boons
#h1-discussion
upbeat kiln
+50 health should last me uhhhh the whole run
reef zodiac
Yes, it doesn’t go away.
lone kernel
beat 32 heat w hoarding slash and cursed slash excalibur, best flex ever
reef zodiac
I mean I could do that for sure
lone kernel
3500 pretty pog ngl
reef zodiac
3500 pretty sad to never use ngl
upbeat kiln
B)
lone kernel
pancake has zero appreciation for meme builds
reef zodiac
I’ll appreciate it if it’s more than just giving up good options by making decisions that lead to both lower damage and less defense
lone kernel
it can hard carry you
real wadi
I see
upbeat kiln
typo
real wadi
Thank you
lone kernel
is very gud boon
reef zodiac
reef zodiac
Free invincibility button every 5 seconds
high island
I have victory screens, too. 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/776420341404139550/Hades_1144.png
upbeat kiln
but damag
reef zodiac
Plus crazy damage
upbeat kiln
poseidon maybe
reef zodiac
Zeus, Poseidon (especially with rip current)
high island
Zeus' Aid and Dionysus' Aid.
upbeat kiln
def not artemis
high island
Poseidon's Aid is also amazing with it.
real wadi
Alright
high island
And Aphrodite's Aid, naturally.
reef zodiac
Debatable
high island
Athena's Aid, too.
real wadi
Isn't aphrodite's just a charm projectile
upbeat kiln
yeah
high island
It's not debatable. You're like the one person who doesn't appreciate her Call with Smair. 
reef zodiac
I am not
high island
Aphrodite's Aid with Smair has carried a fair number of high heat runs.
Yes, you are.
reef zodiac
Haelian, for example, also said it was very bad
upbeat kiln
how much damag?
upbeat kiln
you biased
upbeat kiln
wait fr
upbeat kiln
oh my god what the hell
high island
It charms enemies. Charmed enemies can't hurt you and attack other enemies.
upbeat kiln
1 damag
reef zodiac
I mean it does more damage than Athena’s aid
upbeat kiln
it has that goin for it
reef zodiac
But Athena’s aid actually gives you safety where Aphrodite’s really doesn’t imo
high island
You can practically perma-charm Hades with some levels on it lol.
reef zodiac
You can practically perma-charm Hades with some levels on it lol.
You would need 15 seconds
upbeat kiln
just get aphro leg end dairy????
high island
But Athena’s aid actually gives you safety where Aphrodite’s really doesn’t imo
You just don't know how to use it tbh.
high island
It's not bugged.
upbeat kiln
wait which god has the best leg and dairy
high island
¯_(ツ)_/¯
reef zodiac
wait which god has the best leg and dairy
Zeus
upbeat kiln
my pick is the meter
upbeat kiln
press spacebar
reef zodiac
Also why are you suddenly typing like a 7 year old?
upbeat kiln
funny
high island
Also why are you suddenly typing like a 7 year old?
1. Be kind.
lone kernel
It can bug boss AI
yet using beowulf bug is ok? just exploit the bug 
upbeat kiln
wait what was dyonisus legend3aey
reef zodiac
yet using beowulf bug is ok? just exploit the bug <:KEKW:858833481982410782>
No it bugs it in a bad way
Like they do attacks with no windup
Or they do the same attack over and over
But not really in a way that you can easily exploit
drifting elbow
best call is poseidon and if u disagree then u have a correct opinion but be quiet ):<
lone kernel
upbeat kiln
what
lone kernel
um
its literally me getting asterius to spin theseus to death
by knowing he'll keep doing it
upbeat kiln
beyblade beyblade let it rip
reef zodiac
I said it can bug boss AI causing them to do attacks with no windup
drifting elbow
Like they do attacks with no windup
simply move away from hades once u charm him???
idk seems simple to me???
sounds like a skill issue honestly
reef zodiac
Are you serious
drifting elbow
have u considered just not getting hit
reef zodiac
Just dont get hit
drifting elbow
for understanding
reef zodiac
????????
high island
I agree, though.
reef zodiac
Leave the server.
drifting elbow
simply avoid contact with his attacks?
upbeat kiln
just kill him before he hits you
drifting elbow
^
drifting elbow
just get only the best boons for the build you are attempting to set up
upbeat kiln
just tas the game lmao
reef zodiac
I say a boss does attacks without windups after they are charmed and what I get it “skill issue just dodge”??? Wtf
upbeat kiln
y e s
drifting elbow
yes
lone kernel
I say a boss does attacks without windups after they are charmed and what I get ...
its knowing to charm then back off
reef zodiac
Im literally pointing out how the game works
drifting elbow
simply dont be near them when u charm them
but srsly if u know theyll go off like a nuke after charm wears off...
reef zodiac
IF YOURE NOT NEAR THEM WHY ARE YOU CHARMING THEM
drifting elbow
WHY THE HECK ARE U SITTING ON THEIR FACE WHEN IT WEARS OFF
high island
It's not without telegraphing when you know they're gonna do something when charm wears off.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
reef zodiac
but srsly if u know theyll go off like a nuke after charm wears off...
But they don’t. They just get close to you and then suddenly… spin.
drifting elbow
But they don’t. They just get close to you and then suddenly… spin.
simply be faster than hades?
idk man seems easy to me???
reef zodiac
It's not without telegraphing when you know they're gonna do something when char...
They don’t do it instantly and sometimes they don’t do it at all
reef zodiac
simply be faster than hades?
PLEASE STOP
upbeat kiln
just be hermes????? /s
drifting elbow
They don’t do it instantly and sometimes they don’t do it at all
then preemptively run just in case
reef zodiac
You are being incredibly annoying
reef zodiac
I am asking you to stop.
drifting elbow
yes thats the idea pancake
reef zodiac
To be an annoyance and bother other people for your own entertainment?
drifting elbow
every aid except athenas aid is actually garbage
lone kernel
anyways aphro aid sucks
use it on a bad guy, then attack other bad guys. it's not zeus level of smair, but it doesnt suck
lone kernel
artemis
until you have a pom in it and heart rend, in which case it's phasing dad by itself
or DR but DR kinda sus
upbeat kiln
tf is dr
lone kernel
deadly reversal
upbeat kiln
the what
upbeat kiln
BUT DA BURST DAMAG
drifting elbow
poseidon aid is love, poseidon aid is life
upbeat kiln
also yeah ares sucks
oh mh god hangon i just realized
why the aphro athena boon is that
drifting elbow
ares aid is just worse poseidon aid
reef zodiac
That’s an understatement
upbeat kiln
becase the blsinginf flash and crush shot
lone kernel
aphro aid without smair def has a niche as a bonus Meg for the dad fight
reef zodiac
No it’s because if the two best high heat gods had a good duo boon it would be too good
drifting elbow
its poseidon aid but with crippling stupid and mega dum dum
lone kernel
and with smair, just know how it behaves and you wont get wrecked too bad lol
ares aid is fantastic if it's epic and you have to feed the purging pool, thats about it
reef zodiac
and with smair, just know how it behaves and you wont get wrecked too bad lol
Are you speaking from experience? Have you done hitless dad fight with smoldering Aphrodite call?
drifting elbow
smair is pog
reef zodiac
It’s a top 3 duo boon
upbeat kiln
otherwise it removes all my burst dmaage
high island
Are you speaking from experience? Have you done hitless dad fight with smolderin...
I have.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
drifting elbow
that moment when outskilled 😔
lone kernel
Are you speaking from experience? Have you done hitless dad fight with smolderin...
almost, he got me one time at the end on my first try doing a dedicated aphro aid build
reef zodiac
I have.
And you think it’s simple to just avoid the instant untelegraphed spin? Easier than just not using charm and dodging the attacks with their telegraphs?
lone kernel
And you think it’s simple to just avoid the instant untelegraphed spin? Easier t...
try it
literally in the time youve spent saying it's crap
give it a go
reef zodiac
I have.
lone kernel
and dont kill the random enemy bad guy that is charmed
reef zodiac
Multiple times
upbeat kiln
again
high island
I don't agree with your premise in the first place. I know when he's going to do a spin after charm wears off, and I know when charm wears off.
reef zodiac
But he does it with no windup. Is that true?
high island
lol you don't need to count seconds, it's just instinct at some point.
lone kernel
But he does it with no windup. Is that true?
if you mean literal windup sure, but if you know it's coming, then whats the difference
reef zodiac
I’m not saying it’s impossible to avoid. I’m saying it’s barely better than just not using it at all. Still better I think, but not by much. Which is saying a lot since it literally requires a duo boon to be possible.
high island
You clearly don't have much experience with it tbh with you.
upbeat kiln
if you got to dad 50 heat you can countdown how long it lasts right
reef zodiac
You don’t need to count, it’s over his head
That’s not the point
You have never even done it so I don’t know why you’re telling me is easy.
You don’t even know what I’m referring to
drifting elbow
if u know that hes going to do this specific thing when charm goes off
high island
I think it's pretty easy.
south sapphire
i got a flask
drifting elbow
then MOVE AWAY FROM HIM WHEN CHARMS ABOUT TO GO OFF
south sapphire
how to use flask
upbeat kiln
aphro aid smoldering air instant spin?
reef zodiac
then MOVE AWAY FROM HIM WHEN CHARMS ABOUT TO GO OFF
Please. Please. Stop telling me what to do aggressively. I am not going to listen to you. I do not respect you. Please leave me alone.
high island
then MOVE AWAY FROM HIM WHEN CHARMS ABOUT TO GO OFF
Not really, but you can just i-frame it with a dash. Don't need to actually move away. That'll probably make things more complicated.
south sapphire
how to use flask
real wadi
What flask
upbeat kiln
flask¿
drifting elbow
oh yeah u could just dash through it too
south sapphire
heal flask thing
reef zodiac
That’s Dark Souls
drifting elbow
shhhhhhhhhh i was almost smart its close enough
reef zodiac
This is Hades
real wadi
light soul
lone kernel
premium mocha roast souls
real wadi
Real
south sapphire
how to post picks
upbeat kiln
???
real wadi
I don't know
upbeat kiln
pancake boutta drop the encyclopedia on us
reef zodiac
Everyone who has never used smoldering Aphrodite call on Hades, please stop telling me how to avoid the attack. Thank you.
To those of you who actually have, I guess it is possible that it is easy to learn but regardless it is easier to just dodge the attacks normally instead of making it much more complicated by letting him gain a new attack with no windup.
drifting elbow
how to post picks
save a picture of ur favorite pickaxe, double click the plus next to the text typing thing, and then select the pickaxe image
drifting elbow
Everyone who has never used smoldering Aphrodite call on Hades, please stop tell...
No
reef zodiac
If you’re not willing to be respectful, I ask that you leave the server or at least leave me alone as I have asked you repeatedly.
twin thistle
personally i feel like aphro call is useful against dad but whatever
upbeat kiln
aphro aid sucks so bad this turned into a civil war
twin thistle
hardly sucks
real wadi
What is better boiling or abyssal blood
upbeat kiln
boiling
reef zodiac
Boiling
twin thistle
build dependent
upbeat kiln
no
twin thistle
yes
upbeat kiln
always boiling
reef zodiac
Unless you’re using Hera and have no damage beside your cast
upbeat kiln
they cant move if theyre dead
real wadi
i have boiling equipped
twin thistle
not all builds care about attack and special damage
reef zodiac
That’s pretty much the only situation. Boiling is still better for Poseidon sword
upbeat kiln
but 50 percent more damag
south sapphire
@reef zodiac i dmed uc an u help
reef zodiac
No
upbeat kiln
what is happening
real wadi
Why not
south sapphire
okay :(
upbeat kiln
how much slow is abbisal blood agaim
south sapphire
can someone else help
upbeat kiln
boiling blood foreve
lone kernel
yeah lol
twin thistle
it might still be happening
reef zodiac
Ocaml what are your thoughts on Aphrodite’s aid, with or without Smair?
marble badge
I didnt think too much of it for a long time but I think I like it now
twin thistle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/917902194068566086/Hades_12_7_2021_2_14_07_PM.png witness the wonderful truth of abyssal blood supremacy /s
drifting elbow
did I miss the mudflinging where people just spout nonsense
sadly 😔
lone kernel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/917902194068566086/H...
and fated authority. peak gamer
twin thistle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/900238283957760010/Hades_10_19_2021_9_24_22_PM.png also smair aphro call stuff
upbeat kiln
i used charm once
twin thistle
mostly like it for elysium anyways
upbeat kiln
and it was because of aphro's leg & dairy
upbeat kiln
gl
real wadi
Fo?
twin thistle
forced overtime
real wadi
Oh ok
upbeat kiln
forced overtime is kinda good for saving time on hermes keepsake
because thet spawn faster
versed mason
be cool and don't be a coward
high island
For EM4, I'd recommend you focus your build entirely on helping with the final boss fight rather than what's helping in the moment. Because that's the greatest obstacle in the run.
What aspect are you using?
upbeat kiln
zag /s
static furnace
btw how do i unlock em4
lone kernel
btw how do i unlock em4
contractor once u unlock pact
upbeat kiln
buy it at table
lone kernel
then try not to die
high island
You should be able to unlock EM4 not long after you get the ending.
static furnace
contractor once u unlock pact
i have pact and its not in the contractors thingy
versed mason
hermes plume + zag fists + max dodge from hermes --> no dash run
high island
Ending is 10 clears.
upbeat kiln
i havent done em4 since i like havibg fun in my videogame
lone kernel
oh, do what nyaa says
lone kernel
i havent done em4 since i like havibg fun in my videogame
beating em4 is super fun
static furnace
oh i think im at 9ish clears
versed mason
EM4 is after the credits
lone kernel
the unseen ones 🔥
upbeat kiln
i dont wanna do em4 because that means i have to do em3
lone kernel
i dont wanna do em4 because that means i have to do em3
em3 minotaur 
im more afraid of the asterius fight than the boss fight
versed mason
he go nuts
versed mason
as people say, asterius and that other guy fight
drifting elbow
theseus sure does exist
upbeat kiln
not when im done eith him
lone kernel
ngl it feels worse losing that fight if it starts out with "other guy"
drifting elbow
not when im done eith him
ok correction: theseus sure does exist until you exist in the same room as him
versed mason
ngl it feels worse losing that fight if it starts out with "other guy"
just don't tho
lone kernel
just don't tho
i usually dont but sometimes i have too many dionysus boons ya know
marble badge
death acceptance still very useful when churning out high-quality runs
drifting elbow
simply kill the enemy before they kill you
versed mason
i usually dont but sometimes i have too many dionysus boons ya know
irl im assuming
lone kernel
irl im assuming
allegedly
versed mason
allegedly
lone kernel
stubborn defiance? more liek stubborn dumbfiance
imagine needing to facetank 
versed mason
any ruthless reflexers in chat???
lone kernel
you need it for the 4 heat in lasting consequences once u get to sweaty levels of heat
upbeat kiln
nonono
lone kernel
and now its just comfy
drifting elbow
imagine needing to facetank <:hornetgitgud:718227635251183746>
imagine needing any revives at all
simply one shot the entire room of enemies
every time
(ez)
fast willow
just play RI4 lol
lone kernel
you're trying too hard lol
lc4 stubborn intentional death is part of the playstyle to heal
not every weapon beo
versed mason
that's neat actually
lone kernel
yeah, setting off a trap intentionally right as the last enemy dies
feels good
ngl
versed mason
how much does stubborn heal? same or more than dd
lone kernel
nice relaxing spike sandwich in my feet
30%, but one charge per room
so in practice, bosses need to be cleaner, but regular rooms get easier
versed mason
yeh okie
lone kernel
it doesnt make sense to use it without lasting consequences 4
lone kernel
simply never get hit??
the idea is you can get hit a few times for free in each room
drifting elbow
just dont take dmg tho
versed mason
yeahhh unless ur doing a funni mirror run
lone kernel
lc4 is the use case for stubborn
lone kernel
just dont take dmg tho
race me
drifting elbow
save on ever-useful darkness and just dont use either
lone kernel
you're like six levels past this whole "git gud" bit being funny, dial it back 🙂
drifting elbow
no because if i dont overuse the joke until whatever figment of humor it once contained has long disintegrated from sheer cringe then its not funny enough
versed mason
lando mr meme man what hades meme do you think is actually kinda underrated i want inspiration
upbeat kiln
7:48
lone kernel
please hold
versed mason
also i could download steam, and then hades into my laptop and do mouse & keyboard with trackpad
without rebinds
upbeat kiln
oh god
lone kernel
also i could download steam, and then hades into my laptop and do mouse & keyboa...
you could
wouldnt recommend, but yolo
upbeat kiln
hey why do speedruners do any heat at all
versed mason
it's for the funni
lone kernel
hey why do speedruners do any heat at all
because EM2 Lernie is a faster fight
versed mason
hey why do speedruners do any heat at all
some things are faster like lernie
lone kernel
and FO2 makes bad guys spawn faster
upbeat kiln
because EM2 Lernie is a faster fight
fr?
versed mason
heads are closer together
lone kernel
yeah, smaller stadium
lone kernel
marble badge
and then if you speedrun the 32 40 or 50 heat categories you need that much heat 👀
lone kernel
there you go
versed mason
pancake
upbeat kiln
tf is pang cakke
lone kernel
did yall miss pancake saying how bad aphrodite's aid was like 30 min ago
versed mason
yeah lol i was getting blueberries
upbeat kiln
oh yeah
versed mason
ik of a pancake in da server tho
upbeat kiln
7:48 doe
reef zodiac
did yall miss pancake saying how bad aphrodite's aid was like 30 min ago
What about it?
lone kernel
What about it?
they asked for memes, i gave them a meme, then had to explain it
upbeat kiln
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1938018
damn zagreus half polish
versed mason
oh i guess
that works too as i wasn't clear lol
thank you
i uh meant like a meme strat lol
lone kernel
reef zodiac
i uh meant like a meme strat lol
Max dodge
lone kernel
i uh meant like a meme strat lol
oh, word. talos fists, poseidon special, you can basically become a jedi throwing dudes all over the room
reef zodiac
Or even better: max move speed
drifting elbow
what IS the highest dodge chance?
lone kernel
curse of drowning for bonus funsies
lone kernel
what IS the highest dodge chance?
15 with zag fists, max lambent plume, greater evasion and active second wind for like, in the 80s i think
idk im sleepy i spent all my brain cells making memes
versed mason
that's ares on attack or special? for drowning?
lone kernel
that's ares on attack or special? for drowning?
poseidon/ares duo
blizz shot also good for talos (nyaanyaa's idea)
but yeah just like force choke dudes
then throw em across the room
this is the rare build where poseidon's legendary is good lol
i remember the first time that saved my ass too
so good haha
ancient path
so good haha
It was particularly poignant because ||it was the first run after the feast. No hard feelings, right Demeter? 😂||
versed mason
wym fishing leggy is the best boon in the game tho literally stonks ;)
lone kernel
wym fishing leggy is the best boon in the game tho literally stonks ;)
"fishing leggy"
i know what you meant, but what a phrase lmao
void vigil
🦵
versed mason
🦵 🎣
void vigil
also, just as a reminder, please dont evade the swear filter! im gonna have to delete your message either way 😔
upbeat kiln
man i sure do love when i get a 🦵 & 🥛 boon
upbeat kiln
feels badman
reef zodiac
Is it bad if I’m still not 100% sure what the craters in the asphodel ground do? The ones that glow orange. Do they just spit out obscuring clouds on the final enemy wave?
reef zodiac
700 hours in and I never bothered to actually pay attention to what they do
versed mason
i don't actually know what actually procs the smokey vision
p sure it's just standing on them
yeah usually you're just running around anyway so it never is a problem
reef zodiac
Yeah
lone kernel
i uh meant like a meme strat lol
reliable meme strategy start: start coin purse, take the first four gods you see, make it work
forces you to learn how to improvise
good skill to have and youll be like, whoa, athena attack bow doesnt suck
or whatever
lone kernel
yeah, now that you know what's going on, it's basically labbing
versed mason
i gotta level coin purse anyway
lone kernel
anyone can throw smair on anything and be fine
but what if you dont get it
now what
thats what this trains you for
lone kernel
improvising
versed mason
im too young
dusk turtle
is Different League based on proximity
lone kernel
that has nothing to do with it lol its a boon
drifting elbow
mmmmmmm smair
lone kernel
then rain lightning on fools
drifting elbow
poseidon > zeus always forever
lone kernel
no joke, smair with poseidon hard carried me through a 32 heat attempt with js3 and em4 back when i didnt know the game like i do now
in like, February
but do you i suppose
somber wasp
Is there anyway to see how many fish I have caught?
lone kernel
Is there anyway to see how many fish I have caught?
i think there's a contractor item, and theres a checklist in codex as well (only species, not quantity caught)
versed mason
fishtank yeah
lone kernel
Thanks
versed mason
in da lounge
somber wasp
Ah ok, just want to know how many I have left for the prophecy
Oh it does tell you. Perfect thanks
somber wasp
Just need 4 more lol
lone kernel
wym fishing leggy is the best boon in the game tho literally stonks ;)
that sweet fishing leggy
somber wasp
And my only 2 other prophecies are beating charon twice and mastering the lyre lol
And then for achievements just need to do a 16 heat run so almost there
lone kernel
And then for achievements just need to do a 16 heat run so almost there
nah get 32
skelly statue 3 is a de facto achievement
lone kernel
i mean if youre done with it after the game, i get it
but
pushing heat is fun
and youll surprise yourself
i yeeted a 32 heat run having had my best win prior be 20 and won (due to rip current smair hard carry) literally was the best i had felt in three months at the time it was my first like, big win after getting covid bad
you deserve that same feeling boyo
somber wasp
Lol yea will just take a lot of practice since it took me a few hours just to do an 8 heat run
But that's also without me looking at any tips or anything and just doing things on my own
lone kernel
That’s how the game should be experienced early on IMO
high island
is Different League based on proximity
Yeah, but most damage you receive will come from within that radius anyway.
south sapphire
i thought u could heal with nectar
lone kernel
i thought u could heal with nectar
there's a dionysus boon that gives you life when you get nectar, but otherwise no
chrome wharf
I thought that nectar was a heal item too because Sark Souls
south sapphire
dead cells
south sapphire
:O
modern garnet
Once you get every weapon unlocked you'll be able to spend it to upgrade your weapons
versed mason
u can suck da blood mmm
versed mason
just play the game with all the weapons you have, also in case you're worried about spoilers, we have #h1-for-new-players
as this is a spoiler ridden chat usually
modern garnet
Once you unlock the first 4 weapons you'll be able to unlock more weapons
south sapphire
:O k
i used to pronounce persephone as percee-phone
didnt knew the e has a sound
reef zodiac
It’s fun as long as it’s not FO2 HL5 LC4
wind violet
when fighting dad should i try to kill the enemies he spawns, or just keep going straight for him?
also, what are some good duo boons i should look for with aspect of zag bow
reef zodiac
If you’re damage is really good, just go for him. Otherwise, I advise killing the enemies
wind violet
okay, thanks
reef zodiac
also, what are some good duo boons i should look for with aspect of zag bow
Heart rend I guess
lone kernel
i used to pronounce persephone as percee-phone
same for 25 years lol
somber wasp
How come sometimes a door will have a skull icon but then it will just be a free reward room?
lone kernel
also, what are some good duo boons i should look for with aspect of zag bow
Artemis attack into aphro dash and heart rend, or aphro attack zeus special into smair
wind violet
tyy that's what i'll go for rn
hollow laurel
will you always spawn in house of hades or are there items / upgrades that let u spawn further up
south sapphire
i think always at house of hades becuz roguelike
hollow laurel
and theres no way to respawn further?
forest falcon
No
vapid narwhal
No, you fail the escape and sent back to the house by the Styx
that's the entire premise of the story
south sapphire
its a roguelike btw
hollow laurel
its a roguelike btw
yes. i know
south sapphire
ive loved every second of hades that i have played by now
is there different endingsbtw
south sapphire
and to get the true ending u need to beat hades in hell mode?
hollow laurel
idk
chrome wharf
no
south sapphire
WOW now thats surprising
hollow laurel
not really
chrome wharf
the first ending is just ||smack him 10 times||
hollow laurel
theres not many games that require certain difficulty to achieve a different ending
south sapphire
dead cells true ending has scarred me
south sapphire
ive played automata
chrome wharf
how do you even get to DC true ending
I get what I think is a good build and get insta stomped by kings hand
chrome wharf
1BC btw
south sapphire
u cant even swear f
chrome wharf
no
vapid narwhal
chrome wharf
yes
reef zodiac
Yes
hollow laurel
yes
bleak karma
how do you even get to DC true ending
play all the way to 5bc
south sapphire
.
bleak karma
then beat the game on a certain outfit
south sapphire
then beat the game on a certain outfit
wait what
chrome wharf
play all the way to 5bc
ik that, it's more execution wise
quaint wind
bleak karma
dont stat spread
south sapphire
theres an ending with a proper outfit?
bleak karma
use tactics
bleak karma
theres an ending with a proper outfit?
||king outfit||
south sapphire
||king outfit||
i have the gold one does that work
bleak karma
probably does idk
forest falcon
There are outfits?
chrome wharf
The hidden ones?
hollow laurel
like twin fists quests and stuff
chrome wharf
There are a bunch of weapon quests, which one is it
chrome wharf
the whole point of asking you which quest it is, is because they have different requirements
hollow laurel
any of the weapon quests they have categories like the twin fists for example have long knuckle, rolling knuckle that kinda stuff
how do i check em off
chrome wharf
Get hammers
They're a room reward
It's like the god boon quests, but hammer skills
hollow laurel
oh they're the different Daedalus hammer boons
chrome wharf
Some hammers won't appear with certain aspects, and some hammers lock out others, so look them up if you're not getting any particular one
hollow laurel
ok
chrome wharf
those exclusive to the hidden weapons don't count
hollow laurel
idek what exclusive weapons r
hollow laurel
oh my bad i meant to ask what hidden weapons were
chrome wharf
Once you unlock aspects you will understand
hollow laurel
ok
zenith skiff
heyo does anyone know if Persephone is supposed to pop up in the codex the first time you meet her or do you have to talk to her a certain number of times?
idk if it’s actually called the codex but
cyan jolt
Oh no could someone help me in #h1-tech-support (if you can)
zenith skiff
i am not a tech person sorry 😅
cyan jolt
Np
signal aspen
heyo does anyone know if Persephone is supposed to pop up in the codex the first...
I think she appears after your 10th clear
zenith skiff
oh dang
earnest vapor
so
im doing bow for the first time in a while and i have a level 2 charon aspect
and i got the daedalus hammer upgrade early that gives your special 4 extra arrows
and i now have the option to either keep artemis special or purge it for a better special boon
full nexus
You won't get anything better
cyan jolt
and i now have the option to either keep artemis special or purge it for a bette...
What's the other boon
earnest vapor
secret ||charon boss|| kinda sheesh
gray apex
very sheesh indeed
chrome reef
Ive only ever beaten ||Charon|| with Cursed Slash Arthur
reef zodiac
Well it doesn’t really get harder than that
So I guess you can beat Charon with anything
gray apex
upbeat kiln
boutta do arthur money run
chrome reef
Well it doesn’t really get harder than that
wait is that not good?
lone kernel
~~wait is that not good?~~
its amazing, try zeus attack too
chrome reef
Its literally been busted each time I've used it
I just dont die
Aphro attack to reduce damage taken in general too
reef zodiac
You’re giving up 60% of your health. And in return you get 2 health every swing but you swing insanely slow
lone kernel
Aphro attack to reduce damage taken in general too
youll run into trouble once you start pushing heat
chrome reef
youll run into trouble once you start pushing heat
Around when
lone kernel
FO2, HL, dont play nice with it
chrome reef
Which is
reef zodiac
Depends on the player
upbeat kiln
804 obol leaving tartarus...
chrome reef
Thats my highest
reef zodiac
804 obol leaving tartarus...
Are you gonna spend it?
upbeat kiln
naw
chrome reef
You’re giving up 60% of your health. And in return you get 2 health every swing ...
True but I dash like a madman
reef zodiac
If you don’t spend your money then it’s the same as not having money
chrome reef
I just dont take damage to begin with
reef zodiac
Then why do you need cursed slash
earnest vapor
game gives me the choice between a chaos gate and hermes
chrome reef
Then why do you need cursed slash
On the offchance I take damage
gray apex
lol
upbeat kiln
also demeter dash beacuse big hitbox
chrome reef
Plus, its Arthur
reef zodiac
On the offchance I take damage
On the off chance you take damage you want to make sure that one hit is enough to kill you?
gray apex
On the offchance I take damage
That should be the reason you dont actually take it
chrome reef
Plus I like using the Achilles keepsake with it
reef zodiac
also demeter dash beacuse big hitbox
It has an extremely small hitbox
Forget that the damage is the second worst in the game. The hitbox is also very very small
Especially compared to Tidal and Passion
upbeat kiln
status effect
reef zodiac
Applying 1 chill is not very useful
reef zodiac
Or just use family favorite and you get to use good boons
chrome reef
I mean you can get Rupture
reef zodiac
There are lots of other effects you could get, yes.
But even better
Just take family favorite
reef zodiac
And then use good boons
upbeat kiln
FUNNY SOUND EFFECT
chrome reef
Anyways I'm comfy with Cursed Slash Arthur
reef zodiac
And I’m comfy with boonless Hestia
reef zodiac
I’m also comfy with 6-cast mirage shot Beowulf
chrome reef
I hate Beowulf this does nothing for me
upbeat kiln
learnie 168 hp les goo
reef zodiac
~~I hate Beowulf this does nothing for me~~
Guess you don’t like 1-shotting bosses because that’s what 6-cast mirage shot Beowulf does.
upbeat kiln
uh oh i have maimed still
chrome reef
Guess you don’t like 1-shotting bosses because that’s what 6-cast mirage shot Be...
I play on Keyboard Beowulf is garbage on keyboard
gray apex
It's actually the opposite
upbeat kiln
whats beowulf again
chrome reef
Remind me in like 2 months when I get comfy with controller and back buttons
gray apex
whats beowulf again
Hidden Shield
reef zodiac
~~I play on Keyboard Beowulf is garbage on keyboard~~
I don’t think that’s remotely true
mint coral
BeOwOlf not sorry
upbeat kiln
oh right
chrome reef
I don’t think that’s remotely true
Rephrase. IM garbage with Beowulf on keyboard
reef zodiac
~~Rephrase. IM garbage with Beowulf on keyboard~~
You could try practice
chrome reef
You could try practice
Im trying my damndest
upbeat kiln
hey question
reef zodiac
Im trying my damndest
Are you? You’re practicing Beowulf?
upbeat kiln
why does the arthur aura make you inmune to lava
like i know its a trap
but like
its lava
mint coral
Magic sword things
chrome reef
Are you? You’re practicing Beowulf?
Not at the moment
I don't like any of the shields tbh
reef zodiac
Doesn’t sound like you’re “trying your damndest”
upbeat kiln
same
reef zodiac
Chaos is in fact the worst shield aspect
chrome reef
Zeus I will be playing more after a run I had the other day
and Beowulf I need to practice more
reef zodiac
Zeus can be hard to play but it’s busted
upbeat kiln
i use zag shield because i dont like gimmicks
chrome reef
Zeus I will be playing more after a run I had the other day
It was Ares special stacking with Merciful End
inb4 thats literal garbage
chrome reef
MExcalibur
Is that a thing?
reef zodiac
But you would probably be doing more damage just by using Zeus special
chrome reef
That sounds bad
lone kernel
Is that a thing?
Everything is a thing
upbeat kiln
hammer chamber reward
lone kernel
is it good? No
upbeat kiln
heres hoping its hoarding slash
upbeat kiln
IT IS LESS GOOO
lone kernel
My best ever meme beam run was using Rama lol
chrome reef
I honestly didn't like the fists till Gilgamesh
upbeat kiln
1455 MONI LES GOO
reef zodiac
My best ever meme beam run was using Rama lol
No way really? You’ve never mentioned that
lone kernel
Yeah they’re my least favorite but I’m enjoying Talos lately
chrome reef
then I actually read what Demeter's did
lone kernel
No way really? You’ve never mentioned that <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Yes I have, it’s like one of my proudest gaming moments
That build also had chain shot
upbeat kiln
chain shot on rama is so good tho
chrome reef
Alright new nick
reef zodiac
I honestly didn't like the fists till Gilgamesh
I honestly hated sword until I discovered Arthur with Zeus attack and Dionysus special
And hoarding and cursed slash ofc
chrome reef
I honestly hated sword until I discovered Arthur with Zeus attack and Dionysus s...
dionysus special?
lone kernel
chain shot on rama is so good tho
It’s not as good as twin or perfect, but if set up properly with shared suffering it’s net 240% damage buff
Potential
Just not as useful on dad
chrome reef
Oh Arthur
I did not read Arthur
Wait are you calling Gilgamesh bad
Im going to cry
reef zodiac
Worst aspect in the game
chrome reef
Worst aspect in the game
Chaos exists
reef zodiac
Chaos is nowhere close
It’s still a shield
Shields are insanely busted
Chaos isn’t even bottom 6
chrome reef
The hell is bottom six then
reef zodiac
Imo
Gilgamesh
Zag sword
Zag spear
Zag fists
Lemme think about the last two
Talos
Talos is worse than Zag fists imo
vapid narwhal
Zag fists at least has a niche in dodge builds
reef zodiac
Yeah
lone kernel
talos lets you play as a jedi
poseidon special
force choke dudes then throw em into the walls
vapid narwhal
yeah I consider talos worse, or at best, on par with zag fist
chrome reef
I like Gilgamesh with Posiedon because I hate poison and anything that makes Styx faster is a win in my book
lone kernel
I like Gilgamesh with Posiedon because I hate poison and anything that makes Sty...
you dont need gilgamesh, splash dash and breaking wave makes styx a breeze
it helps sure
chrome reef
you dont need gilgamesh, splash dash and breaking wave makes styx a breeze
Probably dont but
reef zodiac
Don’t get me wrong, dash only runs with Gilgamesh can be fun. My 40 heat Gil was actually nearly dash only
chrome reef
I like it
lone kernel
oh it's super fun
reef zodiac
Wasn’t very fun though
upbeat kiln
my guideline for a good build is
lone kernel
splash dash stonks
reef zodiac
No, that’s a guideline for a fun build
lone kernel
if youre not having fun y u play game
reef zodiac
Ofc
lone kernel
just get a modded copy for pc when its sweaty tryhard time
and meme around on switch
ez
reef zodiac
That’s not my point. Meta builds are very fun because they do insane damage.
lone kernel
That’s not my point. Meta builds are very fun because they do insane damage.
also pulling a win out of a jank fest is super satisfying
and you wont always get the boons
reef zodiac
My point is that if something is fun that doesn’t mean it’s good. Still play it if you enjoy it. Still doesn’t mean it’s good.
upbeat kiln
being good doesnt mean its fun
lone kernel
i did a beo EM4 fight without Mirage and literally took 8 minutes cowering and using Stubborn Roots to heal
reef zodiac
If I call something bad that doesn’t mean I’m telling people not to use it
chrome reef
being good doesnt mean its fun
See beowulf
chrome reef
Is it though?
chrome reef
Whats meme beam
lone kernel
demeter cast
chrome reef
Ah
earnest vapor
tfw ur up to elysium with only 5 boons and a daedalus hammer because lol rng
reef zodiac
Is it though?
lone kernel
tfw ur up to elysium with only 5 boons and a daedalus hammer because lol rng
now ya see if u pull it off, its gonna be insanely satisfying
reef zodiac
You can’t watch that clip and say that doesn’t look fun
chrome reef
Thats too easy
lone kernel
oh that is super fun
chrome reef
I need a balance of struggle and easy
lone kernel
so is memeing 32 heat clears
reef zodiac
I need a balance of struggle and easy
???
chrome reef
I.E.
lone kernel
I need a balance of struggle and easy
thats what the pact exists for
reef zodiac
so is memeing 32 heat clears
Never said it wasn’t
upbeat kiln
I need a balance of struggle and easy
yass
lone kernel
you can calibrate it to be exactly as difficult as you want
lone kernel
you can crank it up to 50 and get smoked
or you can cursed slash arthur to 20
going for 32 heat and a weapon im good at with a coin purse start made me way better at the game
reef zodiac
Did I stutter?
I’m confused because it sounds like you’re saying that you intentionally avoid good damage instead of increasing the heat for a decent difficulty balance. Which doesn’t sound fun at all
lone kernel
learning how to take what the game gives u and make it work
my first 32 heat clear ever w shield was with zeus aspect and scintillating feast
at the time it was my first ever clear with scintillating feast
chrome reef
I’m confused because it sounds like you’re saying that you intentionally avoid g...
Oh wait that was a 12 heat
jesus christ no wonder
chrome reef
sigh
earnest vapor
ive not even got 4 different boons yet
reef zodiac
Well thanks for being rude for no reason. Such a nice thing to do, you’re just so much better than me wow
earnest vapor
also can you "give up" runs over and over until you get the boon you want
reef zodiac
Kinda?
reef zodiac
really?
You’re still going?
What did I even do?
I don’t understand why you think this is necessary
Does it make you feel better?
Is this how you let off steam?
I don’t get it
So incredibly unnecessary. All I was gonna do was give a brief explanation of how giving up and seeding works
full nexus
also can you "give up" runs over and over until you get the boon you want
You have to die, giving up keeps the seed so the first boon/hammer will be indentical
lone kernel
also can you "give up" runs over and over until you get the boon you want
note that if you start with a certain god keepsake and say it gives you rare attack, common special, epic cast - if you restart with a different god, that'll be the same for the new god's boons on that seed. so you can start, see the boon you want, maybe there's an epic special there - so let's swap out for Zeus keepsake and sheild and do that. always recommend playing the first room before reset, those rewards usually dont change and its good to know. (like once i had a zeus erebus room too and had smair room 6, was very based.)
seeding wont win you the game itll just get you better starts
and tbh i often use it as inspiration like, if i start eris rail and see spread fire
imma swap to zag rail and go for the goose blast dream
does that makes sense? lmk if u have questions
you can play modded to gurantee your first boon and hammer (which im doing now because i can't be bothered to do all that and am lazy) but you can achieve way more consistent good starts by abusing seeding (theres no shame in it, if you have a crap tartarus youre gonna lose on high heat)
high island
By the time you reset, m already out of Tartarus.
reef zodiac
I got my Rama 50 with the most absurd seed ever. Chamber 1 Twin Shot, Chamber 2 80hp from Chaos, Chamber 3 Heartbreak Strike
Don’t feel great about it though
Someday I hope I’ll go back and do it unseeded
high island
and get outran by mid asphodel instead
How rude. I still beat you in Tartarus, thank you very much.
high island
Someday I hope I’ll go back and do it unseeded
That day can be today.
high island
Which god?
high island
I’m still short two rerolls <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Coward.
reef zodiac
Uhh Zeus?
high island
Scawedy Pancake.
lone kernel
How rude. I still beat you in Tartarus, thank you very much.
Yeah, probably. All good
reef zodiac
Plus if I played Hades today it will be as a break from grinding SL1 DS3 and I definitely won’t be in the mood to grind 50 heat
high island
Yeah, probably. All good
No. Me good. 
reef zodiac
lone kernel
And your crocodiles are very handsome
gray apex
I havent had a chance to meet those yet
devout terrace
lone kernel
what else is new
gray apex
Hopefully soon
lone kernel
Hopefully soon
reef zodiac
Give a few hot takes about Aphrodite’s aid and you could change that 
reef zodiac
high island
lone kernel
I sold that a few times today
Honestly, by the established crocodile feeding precedents, I’ve already been eaten like four times today because of that plus I purged parting shot, got it again, and purged it again last night
so yeah, even if you don’t know it yet you’ve been crocodile food
high island
Sacred.
reef zodiac
Parting shot is my favorite boon in the game to purge
I feel no remorse and it gives a ton of gold
high island
Heretics.
fast willow
Honestly, by the established crocodile feeding precedents, I’ve already been eat...
but that's just how you use parting shot though? you get the boon and it gives you UC fodder and 400something gold.
upbeat kiln
Impossible. heresy. unspeakable. heresy. heresy.
high island
They will get what's coming to them.
lone kernel
but that's just how you use parting shot though? you get the boon and it gives y...
pretty much yeah
lol beat ya to it
high island
I wasn't going to post it.
reef zodiac
Imagine if parting shot was replaced by a good duo. The best two high heat gods having a good duo? It would be so sick
high island
Every time you purge a boon from Lady Aphrodite, it halves your life expectancy.
upbeat kiln
parting shots ok i guess
reef zodiac
Not really
fast willow
Imagine if parting shot was replaced by a *good* duo. The best two high heat god...
I think parting shot is fine being bad because it's from the 2 best heat gods
upbeat kiln
crush shot helps
high island
Parting Shot is pretty good.
chrome reef
So whats the best cast? I always liked Artemis' because its consistent
high island
Electric Shot is butts.
upbeat kiln
c r u s h s h o t
reef zodiac
But other casts have duos that make them good to build around
fast willow
crystal meme is the best cast.
reef zodiac
Electric Shot is butts.
If you’re not building around it I think it’s pretty good, no? It deals with swarms of enemies very well. I like it on Hestia
reef zodiac
chrome reef
Didnt get Vicious Cycle 😔
upbeat kiln
i dont know where to put ares's 🦵 & 🥛
fast willow
its still good on hera
chrome reef
Gonna be honest
fast willow
just not quite as good as Achilles or poseidon