Lady Demeter would appreciate more respect :3
#h1-discussion
chrome wharf
marsh rivet
Lady Demeter should stop offering me garbage then
Snow Burst feels like a duo boon in cost lol. You'll have to see Demeter for the rest of the run.
chrome wharf
Snow Burst is like Priv Stat proc in 1 move
mint coral
The other day i triggered this by upgrading rarity without knowing it also did that 
Smol flare is pain
marsh rivet
I don't know how many rooms I'd need on average to realize that'd happened or was I just imagining it. I admittedly am not at peak thinking capacity when I'm beo-ing
mint coral
Beo why you need so many bugs 
vagrant grove
being braindead while using beo is such a mood lmao
marsh rivet
"why are there so few enemies?" is something I think a lot when rooms end without me remembering what I did to kill anything
twin thistle
when styx has one ares and no athena
mint coral
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/896543218148200498/Had...
Just ME things
twin thistle
this reminds me of my 40 heat nemesis run lmao
ares didnt give ME 
time for the 5 sack
crude oxide
what should i use my 19 tb for
high island
Lady Demeter should stop offering me garbage then
You don't want grandma's snacks?
high island
what should i use my 19 tb for
Lady Aphrodite fanart.
crude oxide
haha so funny
high island
No better use for all that storage.
lone kernel
rapid forum
I'd fill it with Lady Artemis 
tropic arrow
What do you think is the easiest 20 heat combination?
modern garnet
...they probably meant titan blood not terabytes
tropic arrow
I just finished a 20 heat run with bow. Not too difficult since Chiron aspect exists
But for other weapons I'm not so sure
🤔
lone kernel
What do you think is the easiest 20 heat combination?
Check high heat strategies for a post about heat progression
Tight deadline 3 is 6 heat total if you can do that
Extreme measures 2 at least, prob 3
Customs, bp2, mm
If it’s Rama or a rail, damage control
tropic arrow
Tight deadline 3 is 6 heat total if you can do that
tight deadline 2 I find reasonable
3 is a bit too much for me
lone kernel
That’s fair
What pact did you use for the 20 you just did with bow
Td2 em3 mm uc
Bp2
Then the last three are like flex
lone kernel
Post it in victory boasting
twin thistle
that mirror is kinda cursed
lone kernel
Calisthenics makes it take longer
vagrant grove
I usually go HL2 LC1, the reverse of that, or FO1 for the last 3 heat
omigod that mirror
lone kernel
Or you can do lc4 stubborn defiance
twin thistle
like real cursed
lone kernel
But yeah get second dash lol
twin thistle
dont really need to do the lc4 stubborn at 20
lone kernel
True
lone kernel
Yeah if you can win 20 w that mirror
vagrant grove
no dark foresight eeeeeeeee
lone kernel
You can do 20 comfortably on any weapon
vagrant grove
if you can do 20 with no DF or second dash, you can probably do 20 with anything
maybe even 25
tropic arrow
Why's dark foresight considered better than the other?
signal aspen
maybe even 25
You don't even need a mirror to beat that
vagrant grove
because it gives you wayyy more poms, boons, centaur hearts, etc compared to some more boon rarity
twin thistle
more upgrades means more chances at getting the boons you need and just more boons and health and upgrades overall
vagrant grove
more upgrades means more chances at getting the boons you need and just more boo...
this
tropic arrow
hammer is 2 per run, right?
twin thistle
rare boons aren't much better than common
vagrant grove
yeah, lvl 2 common boon is pretty much as good as a rare boon
twin thistle
unless its like hermes
tropic arrow
Actually, is the higher chance of 'rare' going to hurt the chance of 'epic'?
twin thistle
no
vagrant grove
yeah, but then god's pride
tropic arrow
Don't really know how it's calculated
vagrant grove
Dark Foresight gives you more chances at boons, upgrades and HP, and the difference between Rare and Common boons are pretty minimal, that's why it's almost always better than the other
olive goblet
🏸
tropic arrow
Dark Foresight gives you more chances at boons, upgrades and HP, and the differe...
So if I have a gem room ahead of me I can't switch it to a boon room right?
It seems no matter how many times I shuffle it, it's always darkness or gem or key
vagrant grove
no
a blue laurel is always a resource, a gold laurel is always an upgrade
you cannot roll them to be different
however, resource rooms can be useful in runs when you unlock the upgrades that let them give you boon levels, extra rolls, or gold
twin thistle
extra rerolls are quite good though. mainly when using persuasion instead of authority
tropic arrow
persuasion is the one used in Karen's well, right?
void vigil
oh, i just noticed this recent update removed the patch notes from the main menu, and 
.... end of an era
tropic arrow
Oh hey quick question
If I use the Hades aspect of the spear, will the hammer have a higher chance of giving me the spin upgrades?
twin thistle
no
tropic arrow
sad sad
full otter
i bet that will trigger a particular dialogue with him tho right?
twin thistle
well hades spear cant get flurry jab so indirectly spin ones are a little bit higher but thats it really
tropic arrow
Only have one achievement to be finished
"Friends Forever"
This is hard. There are bunch of keepsakes that I never used
I can't find a reason to bring, for example, Dusa's keepsake with me for any run
full otter
just for the achievement
mint coral
I can't find a reason to bring, for example, Dusa's keepsake with me for any run
Do this month challenge whike you are leveling it 
high island
That's a great idea. Whoever comes up with these Monthly Challenges must be an amazing, super smart person.
You can find the challenge pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat.
rapid forum
Lmao
mint coral
Indeed, love your work with the challenges super smart person
high island
Ty ty.
rapid forum
modern garnet
I tend to use dusa keepsake when I almost have a good build and I already used all the god keepsakes I need but I can't survive elysium without healing
twin thistle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/896562893565362176/Screenshot_13.png and goodbye 5 sacks
what do half of these do
twin thistle
green maple
What's getting vorimed
mint coral
Rolled 2 times to get the cast and didnt get it
On games done quick
(as initial boon)
whole comet
what does miniboss: Leaderboard do?
rapid forum
I reckon it locks miniboss rooms to specific bosses
Locking away barge of death is great to get PB
meager ridge
is killing charon worth it
high island
Replaces the Barge of Death with the Witches Circle and removes Tiny Vermin.
whole comet
u ever beat him?
and know his reward?
it would make buying items, including the Styx room, easier
vagrant grove
as long as you only lose 1 DD, it's usually worth it
little bobcat
A friend of mine just beat Hades for the first time, made it to him for the first time but lost run 16, beat him very next run
chrome wharf
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/896562893565362176/Scr...
What's vanilla Chaos
fast willow
i assume it means leaving chaos gates random and not like spawning in a chaos gate in room 1
pure karma
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/896562893565362176/Scr...
Which mod is this
10 runs to win my hell mode file
But I have modded the game so I dunno if I should count it
twin thistle
something something speedrunning modpack thingy
steady geyser
fast willow
are there any house contractor upgrades that give non cosmetic benefits?
other than the ones under than work orders i mean
pure karma
Well, the fish tank, the pool, the lyre, the bat cage
modern garnet
also there's a harp you can buy that will give you a quest to learn the harp
pure karma
those things are "cosmetic"
but not just to look at
they have an effect
not in runs though
You could also kinda count the sun dial in those I guess
high island
Lady Aphrodite's wall-scroll brings you closer to the true ending. 
pure karma
To the climax you mean
Wonder if he ever got it signed at the meeting
"Come to my bedchambers Lady Aphrodite, I wanna show you something."
high island
You also need to get the Disciple of Aphrodite run clear message and forge a bond with her.
And subscribe to her Twitch channel.
pure karma
link?
fast willow
also would ares special be good on arthur?
pure karma
nah
high island
fast willow
nah
what would be good?
i have aphro on attack and ill take athena keepsake for dash in asphodel
pure karma
you could go zeus to get smoledring air
you just want the special for the aura I feel like
high island
Curse of Pain is actually pretty decent on Excalibur as far as Special boons go. But your Special damage is not a high priority at all.
pure karma
https://www.twitch.tv/courtenberry
Is that you?
high island
That's Lady Aphrodite.
pure karma
This is getting kinda old
high island
Thanks for the compliment, but m only her high priestess and apostle. I could never compare to Lady Aphrodite.
pure karma
Oh wait. She is literally the VA for aphrodite
Wait YOU are the VA for Aphrodite and Dusa?
high island
m not Lady Aphrodite, no.
pure karma
I don't believe you.
fast willow
alright so zeus special is fine just to activate smouldering air?
pure karma
Listen to Nyaanyaa. If she says Ares special is good, it;sgood.
fast willow
Listen to Nyaanyaa. If she says Ares special is good, it;sgood.
the ares boons are long gone unfortunately
high island
Can you share a screenshot of your build now?
fast willow
uhh i cant post pictures in this channel
gray apex
Link
pure karma
Upload your screenshot to imgur and then share the link here
fast willow
gray apex
Well
You need a call for Smoldering Air
Zeus would’ve been nice for that slot instead
pure karma
Avoid Aphrodite or Artemis call with smoldering air is my opinion.
fast willow
damn flamewheels are really annoying to deal with for arthur
pure karma
Aura slows them down significantly
Dash attack has enough range to kill them without getting hurt iirc
high island
Aphrodite's Aid is great with Smoldering Air.
gray apex
It’s good control
pure karma
I never liked it. Seems underwhelming to me.
high island
Charmed enemies can't hurt you. And if you use it effectively, they can do a lot of damage.
pure karma
It hits one enemy only right? It's not AoE
high island
It's carried plenty of high heat runs. Can't die to dad if dad isn't fighting.
pure karma
Doesn't charm last way less on bosses?
high island
I mean, if one Chariot kills the whole enemy wave, is that not AOE?
pure karma
Like what, a second?
I guess
If you charm a voidstone, will it give you the shield?
twin thistle
well thats a whole attack nullifed
high island
1/3rd the normal duration. Put some poms on it, well worth it.
twin thistle
If you charm a voidstone, will it give you the shield?
nope?
pure karma
lame
Is there a way to make Zeus' shield special move faster? Does that hammer work on it?
modern garnet
I think it just goes at that speed all the time
learning to get it where you want it is the big zeus shield skill
high island
Is there a way to make Zeus' shield special move faster? Does that hammer work o...
@brisk trail Swift Flourish only affects the initial throw, the catch, and the cooldown, right? Doesn't affect rate of fire.
pure karma
Was thinking more about that hammer that makes the special move faster while dashing. Does it even appear with Zeus shield?
pure karma
Now that I think about it, that would be worse? Because if the shield moves too fast it won;t hit as much right?
high island
If it would be worse isn't an easy question. There would be pros and cons to that.
modern garnet
it would make it harder to use, imo
if the speed changed depending on whether you were dashing
high island
Harder to use isn't necessarily worse.
pure karma
You could probably combine it with explosive return and do some damage
modern garnet
yeah making a weapon more complicated wouldn't make it worse necessarily
that's why I play cold embrace lucifer
because it gives me a headache
fast willow
wait is "god of the dead" the theme for the hades fight?
high island
Yo dawg, I heard you like lasers. So I put lasers on your lasers, so you can fire lasers while you fire lasers.
fast willow
and so if i buy it i can play that in the house of hades?
brisk trail
<@456226577798135808> Swift Flourish only affects the initial throw, the catch, ...
that's what I got from my experience. Would need to be properly tested.
high island
It is.
Ty ty.
I suppose it's one of those things you always want to test sometime but never get around to because it doesn't really affect your decisions anyway.
brisk trail
It could legitimately be decent for high heat. When you don't have much control over the Hermes boons there, knowing that a swift flourish actually helps is nice.
Altho the boost would be marginal unless we are talking about an hermes that's above common, since each 10% from the rarity bumps would shave off 0.03 seconds.
pure karma
How does Empowering Flight interact with Zeus shield? Do I get constant attack boosts every time it hits?
brisk trail
Would also mean that Epic Swift Flourish, at 40%, would be at 0.18 seconds, which would be below the 0.2 seconds threshold of the Zeus Lightning Strike cooldown, which would be awful
brisk trail
How does Empowering Flight interact with Zeus shield? Do I get constant attack b...
You get the boost if 1. The special hit an enemy, and 2. When you retrieve the shield
That second condition isn't described, but it's how it works
pure karma
So just on the first hit? Not subsequent ones?
brisk trail
Erm, not necessarely on the first hit
You get the boost when the shield is retrieved
pure karma
ah
brisk trail
And if it hit any enemy*
pure karma
I have Ferocious Guard, Breaching Rush and Empowered Flight. Dunno what to take lol
brisk trail
Depends on the build. Ferocious Guard would be my pick
pure karma
Doing a Zeus build
brisk trail
None of them really do all that much for the aspect
pure karma
I have Zeus on special
brisk trail
So Ferocious Guard 100%
20% global damage ain't much, but it helps.
movement speed bonus is neat too
high island
Unlocks Rush Delivery, too, I believe?
brisk trail
nope
high island
That sucks.
brisk trail
Would be kinda sick if it did
pure karma
Really wish I could have gotten the double attack. The knock back from the attacks messes with enemy positioning for my special and I hate it.
high island
We should file a complaint.
brisk trail
Altho it would have to compare to Explosive Return and Charged Shot
soooo
probably still not the best option. Makes it an arguably better second hammer
pure karma
I already have Explosive Return so this run should be free
brisk trail
You got this 👍
upbeat lodge
I need some advice for learning to move with purpose and not get hit
I don't want to button mash anymore
pure karma
Play Rama
high island
Do some runs with the Pierced Butterfly. That should be incentive enough.
Pierced Butterfly and Guan Yu.
pure karma
I just stood there and thought "hey, what if I spam special and never use the attack?"
and boom, usable aspect
pure karma
Have you done 50 heat with it
only 49 "( (this is a joke, 32 heat is my highest win)
high island
Really wish I could have gotten the double attack. The knock back from the attac...
Embrace the knockback and use it to your advantage, like keeping enemies against the wall. Just don't stand directly against the wall yourself if you throw your Special in that direction.
high island
arent you proud of me
Very. Now it's time to practice playing spin builds.
high island
Have you tried a spin build with Divine Strike yet?
high island
There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack.
brisk trail
Really wish I could have gotten the double attack. The knock back from the attac...
While Pulverizing Blow simplifies the Zeus aspect of shield, it also derives from it's potential. Pushing enemies into each-other, into walls, into traps, or even as a panic option against, say, Chariots, are good optimizations, among other things. While on their own, simple micro-decisions, there are a ton of them that makes the aspect very much appreciate the knockback when played optimally. I do however recognize that the knockback mechanic is not something that everyone's gonna want to learn. It's not just you that has that feeling
It also extends the duration of the attack, which is ... often just detrimental, especially when the Attack -> Dash-Attack -> Attack sequence can achieve similar DPS while being mobile
And not taking a hammer spot!
pure karma
I am down to learn anything. I have been pushing myself out of my comfort zone constantly. I am also used to Hell Mode's pact option by now.
pure karma
TD3?
brisk trail
Honestly that's a good start
pure karma
What are you playing again?
upbeat lodge
Rn I'm doing a zag rail run
Got explosive shot as my very first thing of the run
Picked up tidal dash later
pure karma
Don't panic when time runs out if you are in a boss room. THink of your deafiances as extra timers and you will make it
That Lucifer Cold Embrace person jinxed it and I have cold embrace now
high island
And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.
upbeat lodge
In the pre boss shop
10 seconds left
Ima swap out td for hl next run probs
I'm practicing not getting hit anyways
high island
I should add those comments to my Guan Yu guide.
upbeat lodge
i feel like gun will be easy to practice not getting hit on, bcs, its a gun. so next run hopefully ill get gautlets or something
high island
Hestia is one of the best aspects for no-hitting.
upbeat lodge
yes , but i want to learn to not button mash
so i wanna play eith a melee weapon
also im no playing hestia rn, but zag rail
high island
I guess just set the pact to something that's not a guaranteed win for you. Like right outside your comfort zone.
upbeat lodge
i will do next run
goo for like, HS
i gotta learn stuff like gauntlets with this too
idek dow im gonna get started there
gray apex
Go for HS BP2 TD3
high island
That will keep pushing you to play better. But just "don't button mash" is kind of too arbitrary of a goal and too general. Sometimes being very aggressive is the best thing to do. You gotta look at very specific things and how to deal with them better as they come up, and that requires that you encounter problems that can actually end your run.
upbeat lodge
my goal is to actually be able to in my head describe what im doing, and why im doing it
im trying to agressively find issues in my playstyle
because i know that just randomly dash striking around a room doesnt feel very fun or rewardin
Like i just knew what things to pick instead of actually know how to play the game
high island
my goal is to actually be able to in my head describe what im doing, and why im ...
Top players don't even do that for most things because most actions are instinctive from thousands of runs of experience and practice.
And knowing how to do strong builds is an important skill, you shouldn't downplay that.
Like the things I do deliberately are at a higher level like "fight in this area" or "circle this group", but all of the micro-movement is instinct and experience and practiced skills (e.g., certain sword combos, power shot timing...).
One thing I have to consciously focus on is the attack telegraph of certain specific enemies with FO2 and Speeder because you can't react if you're not specifically looking for e.g. a FO2 Speeder Greatshield attack startup to i-frame it, and even then, it's very hard
brisk trail
How aggressive you can be also depends on the build and weapon you go for ! Some of the stronger builds are safer due to their main components helping defense (Aphrodite/Athena cores in peculiar), or providing enough damage to kill enemies fast enough so that they don't pose a threat (Build dependent)
And some aspects are very much more powerful/safer then others
brisk trail
As Nyaa mentionned, Hestia is an aspect where you can play very defensively and still kill enemies with enough efficiency, while something like Nemesis for sword has to be a bit more aggressive due to being a melee weapon.
high island
@upbeat lodge what's the highest Heat you've won, actually?
upbeat lodge
like, 11-12
but with an aspect or build that i dont wanna grind anymore
grinding up one weapon with one duo felt incredubly boring
and i stopped playing for months
high island
Hmmm. You might wanna pump it up to 20 at least.
devout terrace
Bestia
high island
If you win that right away or after only a handful of tries, do 32 Heat.
pure karma
Ok so
high island
Whichever one you feel like.
pure karma
Baj called NyaaNyaa "Nyaa" and there was no negative reaction
Baj is Lady Aphrodite confirmed?
brisk trail
erm what
high island
Baj called NyaaNyaa "Nyaa" and there was no negative reaction
My name is not NyaaNyaa.
devout terrace
brisk trail
Baj is Lady Aphrodite confirmed?
Of all the gods to associate me, I doubt it's Aphrodite lmao, considering the aspect I play
devout terrace
Surely its demeter
pure karma
Nyaanyaa knows what I am talking about
high island
Nyaanyaa knows what I am talking about
But you don't.
pure karma
Don't I?
high island
Lady Aphrodite calls me "Nyaan", and she's the only one who is allowed to do that.
high island
My name is Nyaanyaa.
devout terrace
pure karma
Ok Mew it is
brisk trail
Why?
Anyways, back on topic. You'd do this to get to the relevant thresholds, which are 20 (For the bounty limit), and 32 (For the last Skelly challenge)
And because they are generally decent breakpoints in terms of relative difficulty. You are at a point where going 1 by 1 on the heat gauge won't do much
Since the real difficulty in high heat comes from the combination of heat modifiers
gray apex
Pretty well said
pure karma
Since the real difficulty in high heat comes from the *combination* of heat modi...
Full RI alone is worse than everything else though isnt it?
high island
Yeah, it sounds to me like you're not being challenged enough to really learn at the rate you can be learning. It's holding back your potential. That's just from our conversations, anyway.
brisk trail
Full RI alone is worse than everything else though isnt it?
Avoid that one unless you dare to go for the challenge. The mirror is extremely powerful
Severely undervalued heat-wise
pure karma
Yeah I know, I have been trying a fresh file run win and I can barely reach asphodel.
devout terrace
Even RI1 feels terrible
high island
And you don't really have to learn how different enemies telegraph their attacks until way higher in Heat.
pure karma
Well, AP2 is also terrible I guess.
devout terrace
Pact of punishment guide in #h1-high-heat-strategies
gray apex
There is a lot of heat to go through before you consider RI1+ and AP2 etc
brisk trail
Well, AP2 is also terrible I guess.
Not that much on some aspects that don't need many boons
It's not advised, but it's not awful
pure karma
Hestia?
high island
Turning your brain off and playing hyper-aggressive isn't wrong at the Heats you've been playing on. It's the most effective way, in fact.
gray apex
Could say Arthur aswell
brisk trail
Arthur decent too, yeah
pure karma
Rama? Hmm. I always thought Rama really needs Apthro or Artemis on attack.
brisk trail
It can just run Shackle and do fine
gray apex
That’s about it
brisk trail
Especially before the 32 heat threshold
And artemis start is a 50/50 on Hunter Dash or Deadly Strike
devout terrace
The meta doesn't really change until 40 heat imo
pure karma
Shackle is underappreciated I feel like. I did a no boon Hestia run with it and it was fairly easy. 20 heat but still
high island
You don't even need Shackle on Rama until Elysium tbh.
upbeat lodge
Anyways, back on topic. You'd do this to get to the relevant thresholds, which a...
wdym bounty limit?
brisk trail
You stop getting bounties at 20 heat
upbeat lodge
but next run ill push to 20
pure karma
you can get bounties up to 20 heat on weapons
brisk trail
25 in hell mode
upbeat lodge
You stop getting bounties at 20 heat
ohno
upbeat lodge
i hope that ill get enough stuff then
devout terrace
You're fine chill
devout terrace
You'II almost never run out
pure karma
It's enough
brisk trail
By the time you get all the bounties you'll have most things unlocked
If not all
Likely will miss some House Contractor items that cost darkness, but should be plenty for all the bounty rewards
brisk trail
Bump that up to 25, yeah
high island
Oh wait I am in hell mode and ih ave been doing 20 heat runs
Oh yeah, the hacker. 
pure karma
Wont deny that
devout terrace
I am gonna have to go TD3
No?
upbeat lodge
i think ill go with an aspect ive maxed out
meager ridge
how important are renovations
pure karma
Listen I am not gonna farm everything again
upbeat lodge
like rama, or a fists one
i really enjoy gun now that im playing it slow, but i dont have anything there thats like, strong
pure karma
Oh yeah, the hacker. <:courte5Wut:859131244670222357>
Wait a second
high island
Eris sounds like the aspect for you.
pure karma
What do you think I did
high island
Hacked into the Underworld's secure network to steal a large supply of bounties.
"Secure".
pure karma
Ok yes
And I don't feel bad about it
I am not gonna farm everything again for hell mode
high island
Why not? You missed your chance to get all the Rail bounties with RI4 on.
pure karma
Why would I do that
devout terrace
Death
high island
So many options.
upbeat lodge
i kinda scare myself. im actively checking codex to see wheter i take a boon room, then decide its not worth it, and im checking my gold at shops, etc... this is scary
high island
Nice.
Sounds like you have to think about your decisions and stuff now unlike before.
twin thistle
checking code?
high island
Codex.
twin thistle
approve of this yes
devout terrace
Code?
high island
Codex.
devout terrace
I think they meant codex
upbeat lodge
Sounds like you have to think about your decisions and stuff now unlike before. ...
im not at 20 yet, just thinking about what im doing.
i am excited for 20 tho
high island
Ah cool cool.
upbeat lodge
i havent yet decided on the weapon ill be using
i wouldve gone hestia, but thats not maxed out yet
twin thistle
experimenting with builds on lower heat can be helpful yeah
upbeat lodge
im not doing that. it does sound like a good idea tho
what weapons have to be maxed out, and which ones are good with just the basics?
twin thistle
uhhh rail in general is pretty usable without levels but eris and hestia gain a really large amount of power being leveled
devout terrace
Nemesis wants to be maxed
twin thistle
with merciful end you can really make any weapon work well enough underleveled lol
upbeat lodge
ugh
i played too much ME
i kept grinding heat on gilga ME and it kinda made me bored of the game
fast willow
is beowulf the only shield aspect thats really good even without maxing its level
twin thistle
zeus, hera, beowulf, and gilgamesh dont need levels too much
twin thistle
is beowulf the only shield aspect thats really good even without maxing its leve...
zeus
twin thistle
so? dont need that damage
fast willow
i know that zeus special does a lot of damage for you but its still a 22 difference per hit
jade zenith
zeus shield is a lot better when you upgrade it
twin thistle
still great without the levels
jade zenith
but zeus on the special means you still get a lot of the damage
twin thistle
the more zeus you stack, the less the base damage matters lol
meager ridge
how important are renovations
jade zenith
which ones?
twin thistle
^
meager ridge
the ones that effect gameplay
vapid narwhal
get the first page ones out for sure
meager ridge
what is a resident rail
twin thistle
yep no idea
meager ridge
@vapid narwhal what is a resident rail
twin thistle
uh resident rail isnt one thing
gloomy sleet
id think its the eris rail
twin thistle
rail advocate is the compound noun
vapid narwhal
Resident | Rail Advocate |
fast willow
no it's like "resident aphrodite fan"
vapid narwhal
"a railgun fan here"
meager ridge
Resident | Rail Advocate |
oh
upbeat lodge
ok so, this run is done
time to ramp it up to 20
i can prob pull of a gilga ME run, but im not very sure
pure karma
Gilgamesh on your first 20 heat will be very impressive.
high island
If you think you have a decent strategy, then go for it. Put it to the test.
If you don't have a strategy, then go and experiment and see what you can make use of, then take it from there.
upbeat lodge
i made a mistake, and i identified it. therefore, its a god istake
i shouldnt have picked to face more foes at chaos
pure karma
You have Jury Summons on top too?
high island
i shouldnt have picked to face more foes at chaos
pure karma
How does Jury Summons stack with Chaos' more enemies? Does it consider the Jury Summons number of enemies as base and multiplies that?
pure karma
Sometimes I am forced to do so. I am not gonna miss that +1 cast.
Hestia with Ricochet is the best thing ever.
high island
Roiling costs you more time than that Grasp will save you.
pure karma
My monke brain sees +1 cast when I am playing cast build and everything else doesn't exist.
twin thistle
just reroll and get roiling grasp again
pure karma
Then roll again and get shorter dash
upbeat lodge
tartarus
twin thistle
whats your pact?
upbeat lodge
i cant recite it excactly, but just hat's 20 heat suggestion
high island
More importantly, what did you lose your DDs to?
upbeat lodge
mostly rooms full of stuff
actually
flying skulls mostly
1 to skulls
1 to a guy with a club after i already got beaten up
one by tysiphone
high island
Ahh. Dash boons can help a lot with Numbskulls.
pure karma
Do you remember if you are using Forced Overtime?
twin thistle
or just zeus attack
high island
As for the Thug, you already know what you did wrong. Just gotta be ready to i-frame the attack next time. Make sure you empty-dash to i-frame attacks. If you do Dash-Attack or Dash-Special, you don't get i-frames.
upbeat lodge
ik
high island
Losing a DD to Tisiphone is just something that can happen sometimes, anyway. Wouldn't be too concerned about it.
upbeat lodge
im not concerned
#1: loss
cause of death: being stupid with chaos and getting really unlucky with boons
high island
Hmmm. Your boons aren't why you got hit. Look at your own mistakes that you made.
upbeat lodge
i dont write down lack of skill. thats a given at this oint
im paying attention to things besides skill that i shouldnt do
high island
Ah gotcha.
getting really unlucky with boons
Try looking into how to make your build less reliant on RNG, if you think that's the case, or how to pick boons that minimize the potential for bad RNG.
upbeat lodge
first off im tryna learn the bp icons
high island
Oh, you hadn't used BP before?
upbeat lodge
i have
but only twice
and i have no idea what the icons mean
also
i hate alecto and tysiphone together
brisk trail
How does Jury Summons stack with Chaos' more enemies? Does it consider the Jury ...
Late, but yes. It's an absolute pain
high island
high island
Cheat sheet.
high island
i hate alecto and tysiphone together
Alecto always brings good luck.
upbeat lodge
ok
run 2: failed. this time i died to a bunch of bombers in asphodel.
mostly lost life to witches in tartarus
Time to try my stupid build that i love
high island
Good luck!
upbeat lodge
thanks
damit, i took epic tidal dash bcs its so fun but now i rly need a lucky poseidon boon
time to see how these flaming gates work
high island
Tidal Dash only really needs poms on it.
rapid forum
That applies to any pommable boons
upbeat lodge
only lost 1 dd in tartarus this time
high island
That applies to *any* pommable boons
Nah. Deadly Strike poms, for example, barely do anything at all. You'll want Hunter's Mark for that and some other boons.
And Hunter's Mark poms will actually matter.
high island
But you're getting to Asphodel pretty consistently. That's good.
upbeat lodge
Lived at Meg at 12 hp
high island
Woo~!
upbeat lodge
Not really. Sometimes i lose a dd to something, but the boss mostly does it with this "build "
Att #5: power couple kicked my ass
whole comet
what's your pact like?
upbeat lodge
I'll just send a screenshot
w8 no
its just hat's 20 heat suggestion
its in #h1-high-heat-strategies
ima switch to trying with rama now
high island
Nice nice. Making progress.
Sounds like the suggestion is working out. Only a few runs in and you've already identified numerous things to work on.
whole comet
i kinda like the idea they pick BP2 so early lol
that itself could just kill ur run in Elysium no matter what build u go in sometimes XD
upbeat lodge
First dd lost... To lernie
whole comet
BP2 is rough, or not, in Elysium
the RNG spike is crazy
but i did think it tends to give u more harder RNG with chariot and the weapon guys
pure karma
Has anyone noticed that sometimes the Rail's special just jerks randomly to some other location just before it hits?
whole comet
it bounces with real physics 😄
gray apex
It can ricochet
pure karma
So this behavior is intended?
whole comet
i guess so? more coding required to collide with things lol
pure karma
it kinda sucks ngl
gray apex
Well I hope you’re not expecting your Special to go over walls and pillars as if they don’t exist lol
whole comet
it could be annoying sometimes, since the circle u aim is not the real final location if it bounces
rapid forum
it only sucks when you have hazard bomb
you can make it go over obstacle if you're somewhat far enough from said obstacle
pure karma
Well I hope you’re not expecting your Special to go over walls and pillars as if...
I mean ok. But it's repositioning itself to some random location
Not close to the obstacle
rapid forum
BP2 is pretty hard soooooo GL
gray apex
Bp2 can get nasty
rapid forum
Teleporting speedy flamewheels
upbeat lodge
Telepirting cloning thugs
pure karma
That sucks too
upbeat lodge
Or the beefy speedy hands
gray apex
Idk if I would suggest SD over normal DDs
pure karma
Now imagine you put FO2 on that as well
gray apex
But you could try
pure karma
I personally was using SD while learning higher heat
Because I was taking a lot of damage in normal rooms
whole comet
as i said, BP2 is hard, or most like, the spike is too unpredictable
pure karma
Yeah, it puts RNG on the table. A bad combo of mods on bad enemies can really mess you up
whole comet
u could consider do BP1 and put those 3 points somewhere else
pure karma
Try FO2
gray apex
Yea SD can help a ton but requires you to have clean bossfights otherwise you’ll just die
whole comet
SD is prolly for those already feel 32 heat is easy, right?
sitting with 30% most of the time could be rough
pure karma
SD is for when the rooms themselves are lethal imo
gray apex
Well the earlier you get used to SD the better because you’ll have to take it eventually, I was already using it before 32 heat, you do have a lower hp pool so naturally you have to be better at managing the dmg you take, but it gives a lot more room for mistakes in normal rooms
And up to 40-45 heat on most aspects, you can get another dd rather comfortably by forcing Athena in Asphodel
upbeat lodge
So i should swap a level of bp?
whole comet
do u have a hard time with BP2?
upbeat lodge
Idk what's exactly giving me a hard time
gray apex
Idk about that
whole comet
at the very least
u could get max power in Styx
do all 5 rooms and still come out full hp
you'll be over-prepared for Hades
whole comet
i have taken out EM4 Hades at 12nd run thz to SR
gray apex
Unfortunately that doesn’t make SR a great boon to aim for, it’s just conditionally relevant but you could aim for a good build instead and play better to avoid losing your dds in the first place
Also you have a timer and enemies can hit hard, SR will either fail you because it cant outheal the dmg you can potentially take or it can fail you because you might not have time to stall
whole comet
that's why i said "IF" he took out TD lol
upbeat lodge
Why would i do that
high island
I'd turn off BP altogether.
RidiculousHat's guide kind of assumes you gradually increase Heat and get used to BP that way.
upbeat lodge
bad news is: i lost
high island
What are your clear times usually?
upbeat lodge
good news: to heroes
high island
Nice, progress.
high island
Were you using Acorn in Elysium?
For the pact you've been using, take TD3 instead and reduce Heat somewhere else.
Probably just go from EM3 to EM2, in fact.
high island
Just keep it. You made it through Elysium already, so it's working out, apparently.
What was your time when you got to Theseus and Asterius?
upbeat lodge
i believe around 4 minutes
i got held up by shields
im seriously considering picking up something like gauntlets
bcs those are more greatshield friendly
high island
I wouldn't say that's true unless you have Breaching Cross. But if you're more comfortable with Malphon, go for it.
Do you intend to get into high heat eventually?
Like 32+ and eventually 40+ Heat.
I at least get the impression you would enjoy that for the challenge.
lone kernel
Do you run fo1 with TD3? I find it makes the clock much more doable
upbeat lodge
Do you intend to get into high heat eventually?
yes
upbeat lodge
I at least get the impression you would enjoy that for the challenge.
youre right
also td3 isnt gonna work
whole comet
U can prolly drop to bp1
upbeat lodge
not as log as i have bp2
high island
Practice EM2 FO2 TD3 if you plan to get into high heat.
Until you're comfortable with it.
high island
That's a standard speedrun pact. You want to be able to do that pact like it's basically 0 Heat for you.
high island
No, just those for now.
The practice will help you improve your builds because low DPS builds don't cut it, and it will force you to deal with FO2 enemies while also being aggressive and keeping up a good DPS rotation.
high island
So you need a base understanding of builds and a certain base level of skill to be able to win that consistently.
Keep in mind that even casual speedrunners get like sub 15 times very consistently with just EM2 FO2, and actually winning the run isn't a question, that's expected. You can definitely get there. But getting a sub 15 isn't as important for high heat, but the same kind of builds and tactics will help you a lot when dealing with more dangerous enemies at higher heats.
For example, the most efficient strategy for dealing with BP2 enemies at 32 is treating them as largely the same as regular elites and just killing them before they can become a threat.
Which means the better you are at taking down normal elites efficiently, the less threatening BP2 elites will be.
high island
Tag things with your Special and then do Dash-Strike Power Shots.
Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike on Attack, and Hangover, Doom, or Lightning Bolts on Special.
And aim for Strike and Lunge boons from Master Chaos.
upbeat lodge
wasnt it like a close range special weapon?
high island
Rama has the same range as any bow but charges much slower.
lone kernel
hits harder tho at base
upbeat lodge
ik
ive been running with it
i got to elysium with it a few times
ive a;ways played it as a special weapon where you rush in and spam it on enemies
that was wrong?
also lost 2 dd to power couple
bcs i just took a terrible chaos boon
high island
It's not wrong, but it's not as effective as it can be.
Trial and error is how we learn to deal with Chaos Gates.
Or not.
whole comet
I’ll never understand how u will deal with move speed, dash speed reduce and atk -4 hp when ur forced to it by ap2 at high heat
high island
The obvious answer is practice, practice, practice.
whole comet
And assume u gotta with it b4 boss
high island
The real answer is you keep dying until it works out that one time and that's the only run you upload.
upbeat lodge
next run ill try the needed package btw
whole comet
Did sound like easier to just give up those runs and hope chaos gives u better boon
upbeat lodge
little advice: dont fight power couple, and then a trial after you took extra dmg from chaos
whole comet
Btw what’s power couple?
gray apex
Asphodel Miniboss
high island
Did sound like easier to just give up those runs and hope chaos gives u better b...
Most high heat players tbh aren't particularly interested in avoiding a challenge. They'd rather take -4 HP per Attack on something like Rail just to make a point.
whole comet
The gorgon head plus another thing?
gray apex
My 45 Heat Beo took -4 on every atk and made it lol
whole comet
Make a point is all good I guess lol
high island
My 45 Heat Beo took -4 on every atk and made it lol
My 45 Heat Beo
took -4 on every atk andmade it lol and no one was surprised
JK.
gray apex
> My 45 Heat Beo ~~took -4 on every atk and~~ made it lol and no one was surpris...
Because I'm too good
upbeat lodge
got fo2, em2, and td3 lined up. idk why, but someone told me to use it
high island
I did.
gray apex
Time to play some stupid Hera
gray apex
👀
gray apex
for now
high island
5 Heat.
marsh rivet
That question needs to be slightly more specific :) What playstyle are you looking for?
lone kernel
got fo2, em2, and td3 lined up. idk why, but someone told me to use it
Those runs are going to the gym for your future 32 heat runs (game day in this analogy). I went through a similar process with LC4
upbeat lodge
I'm trying 20 rn
high island
Playstyles are more of a player thing than a weapon aspect thing.
lone kernel
ME is basically, can you get it
I’d say like half my ME attempts result in getting the death engine
Side note, ME Rama sounds pretty based and I think I’m gonna try that
rapid forum
you gotta predict where they are going
only a true master can do this
cause I certainly can't
rapid forum
boonless
gray apex
they said more fun
rapid forum
point made
gray apex
Lol
high island
You'll have success faster if you stick with your best aspect and focus on practicing with that.
Whether that's more fun is up to you.
brisk trail
Hated how cursed slash dont count on dash strike
rapid forum
Hated how cursed slash dont count on dash strike
well that boon in and on itself is... cursed
lone kernel
then forgot about chaos trap damage and died
upbeat lodge
You'll have success faster if you stick with your best aspect and focus on pract...
i dont have a best aspect rn
high island
And just focus on learning and practice, the wins will come.
upbeat lodge
i have a stupid build rn
i hope it works
aaand im forced to sell one of 3 of the main pieces
last veldt
EM4 + FO is kinda rough. Who'd have thought
Got to 3rd phase and was doing good damage but got wombocomboed by Dad and pots.
marsh rivet
Kinda rough is an understatement lol. I honestly think 16 heat EM4 FO2 is harder than most 40 heat pacts
gray apex
hot take
marsh rivet
Is it though
gray apex
maybe not too hot
last veldt
I'm not going to try FO2 EM4 anytime soon.
marsh rivet
I have lost count the number of 40 heat EM4 runs I've had that ended with me with 300 health, 2 DDs and perfect hammers, dead from dad
last veldt
I was just seeing how bad it could be .... Answer, pretty bad.
marsh rivet
I have lost count the number of 40 heat EM4 runs I've had that ended with me wit...
So yeah, I would say at that point I lost basically a 17 heat pact (+HL1). The rest of the run was trivial
last veldt
Have fun storming the castle!
upbeat lodge
I had hades
almost
like, 1/8 of hp
then i died
so, this is definitely my new high score for progress
gray apex
Pretty good
upbeat lodge
id demeter or ME gilga better
chrome wharf
Demeter
twin thistle
ME on demeter is safer than gilga since you have actual dashes
upbeat lodge
but gilga gives more dashes?
twin thistle
shorter dashes with a longer cooldown is the problem though
signal aspen
your dashes are shortened when you use gilgamesh
upbeat lodge
shorter dashes with a longer cooldown is the problem though
wot
upbeat lodge
that explains it
twin thistle
gilga dashes are more useful to proc dash effects but harder for actually avoiding getting hit
high island
Shorter dash duration also means fewer i-frames per dash.
twin thistle
with gilga i just mainly use the dash for damage and ignore attacking and special after ive gotten my build relatively complete lol
meager ridge
alright time to continue my escape attempt
twin thistle
also might be good to use ruthless reflex with gilga since youre more likely to get hit and need those dodge and you still have 3 dashes left
along with the global dmg increase which improves your dash and call dmg
upbeat lodge
so im switching to demeter
also
aspho has 3 elites
i hapte them all
i hate witch coven the least
and barge of death and power couple share #1
high island
I wrote a guide for Demeter Aspect here: #h1-builds-and-combat message
twin thistle
you have meg summon right?
meager ridge
I wrote a guide for Demeter Aspect here: https://discord.com/channels/4568894346...
americans be like: defeet
twin thistle
yeah she helps a lot with stripping miniboss shields
ebon thistle
i assume power couple is 2 heads?
twin thistle
yeah the gorgon and crusher
ebon thistle
they are so bad with MM
twin thistle
btw if you use meg or any summon when the head comes down, itll eliminate the shockwave
twin thistle
summons get rid of projectiles and shockwaves when you use them
upbeat lodge
how much nectarr do uou ned for meg summon
twin thistle
uhhh like 6 and an ambrosia or something
twin thistle
then leveling it to max costs like 10 or something
twin thistle
then leveling it to max costs like 10 or something
ambrosia
livid zealot
lube
meager ridge
should i get that daedelus anvil or an aphrodite boon
upbeat lodge
depends
lone kernel
should i get that daedelus anvil or an aphrodite boon
If you like your hammers as is, boon
twin thistle
should i get that daedelus anvil or an aphrodite boon
anvil might wreck you unless your hammers suck
lone kernel
Anvil is a gamble that can horrifically backfire
Never anvil on sword
(cursed slash, world splitter for example bad)
twin thistle
what do i put on dem fists
i do either ME or zeus attack and aphro special, look for a good call and can get smouldering air
upbeat lodge
me it id
meager ridge
serrated point + flurry jab
serrated point is pretty good
i think i'll get the boon
lone kernel
Yeah get the boon
meager ridge
god damn it
i just lost a death defiance
and another one
i've already lost
getting serrated strike was a mistake
high island
what do i put on dem fists
Nyaanyaa Mewmew — Today at 5:29 PM
I wrote a guide for Demeter Aspect here: #h1-builds-and-combat message
meager ridge
AND MY FINAL ONE
god damn this
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
i just died
here we go again
meager ridge
what
meager ridge
i'm playing with the time limit heat thing btw
marsh rivet
sidenote: selling a purple greatest reflex hurst
Lol I've done this before when I switched between Switch and PC often before I rebound my pc to use Switch buttons. Cancel/Confirm was backwards and many awkward purging pools were had
Also bought a fair bit of healing buffs from Wells of Charon (with LC4)
icy ginkgo
Somebody can know why i cant unlock secret aspects?
marsh rivet
Oh hmm. Yeah I could see that. I think I would probably sold divine dash though since it's fairly easy to get again. Even prereq for DDs considering
marsh rivet
Somebody can know why i can`t unlock secret aspect`s?
There is a sticky in #h1-story-discussion for this
icy ginkgo
Ok
meager ridge
bruh i just lost a death defiance
upbeat lodge
that happens, yeah
i cleared 20!
also establishing my new pb and first sub 20 minutes
high island
I'd sell Divine Dash before I sell +3 dashes. You can't deflect all attacks, but you can i-frame all attacks.
Nice! Congratulations!
upbeat lodge
thx
high island
#h1-victory-boasting time.
upbeat lodge
so, what next?
meager ridge
and another one
upbeat lodge
Nice! Congratulations! <:courte5AphroHeart:851568347346894908> <:courte5DusaBond...
What now?
high island
EM2 FO2 TD3 practice next.
meager ridge
i hate this time limit
high island
Get consistent at winning that pact, so you're comfortable with FO2 and with TD3.
And doesn't hurt to have the bosses at EM2 to build familiarity, plus it's faster.
high island
Actually no, you mainly just need to learn to kill efficiently for that pact. It's a speedrun pact, really, and speedrunners don't care that much about dodging.
Try to make your builds as strong as possible while saving time looking for free rooms like mid-shops, Chaos Gates, etc.
And just getting better at your DPS rotations. Like with sword for example: Special > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat.
Or practicing Dash-Strike Power Shot timing with Zag Bow.
Things like that.
marsh rivet
Special > dash strike x2 > get hit > repeat
high island
Special > dash strike x2 > get hit > repeat
Special > get hit > Dash-Strikes > repeat.
marsh rivet
The classic bread and butter sword combo
high island
Yes, bread and 
.
meager ridge
i just lost another death defiance
now i'm down to one left
lost my final one
i'm already dead
void vigil
@meager ridge please dont evade the swear filter
meager ridge
and i just died
now the cycle continues again
this game is like eating nothing but paste for 7 days straight
full otter
just finished grinding 3 stars on every keepsake
lone kernel
pure karma
i cleared 20!
Nice man. Nice build too.
alpine sierra
LET'S GO
I beat EM [REDACTED]
I had no other heat active so I definitely couldve made it harder but LORD
meager ridge
are companions worth it
alpine sierra
yes they do big damage and you have no reason to not get them