and dont have a special
#h1-discussion
twin thistle
dusky wedge
Needs a “special” special
twin thistle
smh. common poseidon special
mint coral
time to use shackle 
gray apex
Probably gonna time out, the usual
white merlin
ahh i been doing that, thanks. i was wondering if theree was something else i should be doing also
twin thistle
Probably gonna time out, the usual <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
use hestia smh
whole comet
if you have hazard bomb + shackle, special does 600-700 dmg to Hades
gray apex
hestia for newbs
whole comet
i guess he still goes down quick
whole comet
you're also really rich O_O
twin thistle
boonless moment
whole comet
nothing useful from well of charon?
twin thistle
not like it costs much
whole comet
fair enough
flint pollen
Stonks, got epic flayed eclipse and epic oceans bounty in the same run
twin thistle
actually even with lc4 i was using regular dd's on hestia because i could just buy them and barely lost any lol
twin thistle
Stonks, got epic flayed eclipse and epic oceans bounty in the same run
bruh im getting nothing but common ones
whole comet
i'm a bit surprised u unlock the green fate one with so few clears lol
isn't that one cost like 10k darkness?
flint pollen
Epic hermes dash with athena dash, ares attack and merciful end? Yes pls
Lol this build is insane
twin thistle
i'm a bit surprised u unlock the green fate one with so few clears lol
who? me?
whole comet
yeah.
twin thistle
well i did a couple darkness farming runs and sold a few ambrosia since you dont need much of it unless you want to upgrade every companion to max
flint pollen
Im so sad my attack isnt epic now
Its on lvl 11 because i had pom blossom all the way from asphodel and that was the first boon i got
And i also kept pomming it on top of that
whole comet
well i did a couple darkness farming runs and sold a few ambrosia since you dont...
the trade shade: Best deal ever!
signal aspen
im calling the broker the trade shade from now on
chilly drum
modern garnet
Yeah it's pretty absurd
marsh rivet
That title is there not really to punish the people who want to farm for completion, but to reward people who've played for hundreds and hundreds of hours
lone kernel
I have nothing left to unlock except ranks and I still play 
marsh rivet
Sad side effect that for people who do want to get literally everything then they have to deal with that ludicrous grind (1000ish hours in to my hell mode save and I haven't finished Unseen One yet lol. Though I've never farmed for darkness)
whole comet
would they be EA, they would let u buy darkness with money O_O
marsh rivet
Would they be EA, the game would be $60, or $80 for collectors edition, and you'd need to pay a $10 microtransaction to unlock the mirror before hour 50
chrome wharf
Fated Persuasion and Authority won't exist. Pay 0.99 for one reroll token, or 89.99 for 100 of them. A whopping 10% deal 
Aspects would be in lootboxes too
random kestrel
Fated Persuasion and Authority won't exist. Pay 0.99 for one reroll token, or 89...
Wow!! What a deal!!!!
chrome wharf
I'd buy a Hades collectors edition for $60 if it came with a squeaky rubber dad and a Companion plush of one's choosing
@/devs psst
random kestrel
I would if it came with a Cerberus plush
chrome wharf
life size?
void vigil
Sad side effect that for people who *do* want to get literally everything then t...
oh god is the grind really that bad or do you reset a lot of runs?
split owl
I'd pay 200 dollars for a collectors edition, but only if it came with the real Cerebrus.
void vigil
the transistor collectors edition was $80, and id pay that much for a hades collectors edition. maybe even more depending on whats in it
chrome wharf
full score of the ost 
void vigil
an artbook... could you imagine
chrome wharf
I'm more of a music person
void vigil
thats fair
split owl
I need to get SGGs other games, but I'm totally broke right now.
chrome wharf
wait for a steam bundle sale
void vigil
the next steam sale is this month, and they should be on sale. theyre very good game
full nexus
a bit short :(
void vigil
i am a fan of shorter games over longer games, but thats a matter of taste
also depends on mood
random kestrel
Hey, portal and portal 2 go on sale for $2 each and a $3 bundle during steam sales
So if you haven't played them, you really should
And portal is just like 3hrs long
void vigil
sounds like a #video-games message to me 
full nexus
in effeti
marsh rivet
oh god <:bouldy:523329116934635534> is the grind really that bad or do you rese...
Both
Optimistically, on a Ocean's Bounty Eris run, you may be looking at like what, 1-2k darkness? On a good run?
Idk what the rate on Ambrosia -> 500 Darkness is but that's more or less where I get mine from lol
void vigil
eris?
marsh rivet
Eris just does zoomies the fastest and already wants Poseidon
void vigil
i see
im bad w the rail so i do arthur hera or demeter and reroll for oceans bounty at the beginning
chrome wharf
imagine Tempest Strike fists
void vigil
theres also chaos' eclipse boon
whole comet
2k darkness per run would still take a while to get 320K darkess XD
gleaming oak
Whats with the new album of epic hades covers ??? Tales of the underworld?? Hello??
late fog
Is either blizzard shot or curse of drowning duo boons good for a beowulf cast build using flood shot?
lone kernel
Whats with the new album of epic hades covers ??? Tales of the underworld?? Hell...
Orchestra versions of a few in game songs. It’s pretty based ngl
mint coral
Is either blizzard shot or curse of drowning duo boons good for a beowulf cast b...
Blizzard isnt available on beo, no idea how CoD works lmao
twin thistle
CoD is baaaad
void vigil
this is the last aphrodite boon of the run and i get offered two duos.. ive already gotten the legendary... i just wanted to see blown kiss, once in my life
bright reef
Do I need to actually buy the guan Yu aspect to get zeus to talk about Lucifer?
void vigil
nope, just have it available iirc
twin thistle
yeah, only need to have it revealed, not unlocked
bright reef
Ok
spring lotus
Ayo what weapons got some life-steal effect and also considering the ||aspects||
twin thistle
Ayo what weapons got some life-steal effect and also considering the ||aspects||
just sword with cursed slash, hidden spear, fists with drain cutter
iirc
spring lotus
Thanks
random kestrel
Approval process can go FREAKING DIE
Every God has the one boon I want crossed out
This is so dumb
twin thistle
lol
random kestrel
I got a legendary boon
And it was CROSSED OUT
I got 9dmg hangover on attack
And it was CROSSED OUT
I got +38% on all healing items including health maximum increase
And IT WAS CROSSED OUT
twin thistle
I got +38% on all healing items including health maximum increase
hmm? the demeter one only increases healing, not max health gain
flint pollen
I also just got insanely screwed by RNG again
Most rooms had only 1 exit and i ran into a total of 5 boons over the entire run
That werent hermes
Styx had one of those
I skipped shops though, thats where all of them were apparently
marsh rivet
Do you have dark foresight on the mirror?
brisk trail
When 1 ambrosia for 1 titan blood
twin thistle
and when you generally have an excess of ambrosia
brisk trail
When u
peak cliff
best chrion / rama boon builds?
peak cliff
also what is best way to use rama? just unlocked it
rapid forum
get good lawyers and accuse them of breach in contract
twin thistle
lol
usually aphro attack/zeus special
then can get a good call and smouldering air
rapid forum
a bit less traditional is aprho attack / dio special
lone kernel
Chonky attack, special to spread status
peak cliff
should i use attack more or special
lone kernel
a mix of both
peak cliff
and triple shot + point blank is best?
lone kernel
spray a few darts for shared suffering
lone kernel
and triple shot + point blank is best?
there’s quite a few viable hammers for Rama - if special focused, relentless volley shines, twin shot is always good, I like chain shot a lot, triple/point blank both solid choices
peak cliff
there’s quite a few viable hammers for Rama - if special focused, relentless vol...
hm so which one should i focus on? since my rama isn't upgraded should i just focus on attack instead of special for now?
lone kernel
hm so which one should i focus on? since my rama isn't upgraded should i just fo...
There’s too many variables with what shows up in a run. Shared suffering won’t be as relevant but those special arrows will still spray status around effectively
I’d say start Aphrodite attack, a status on special (Zeus lightning, hangover, doom all solid choices)
peak cliff
right they ricoshet
lone kernel
But don’t be afraid to improvise
peak cliff
okay, and how should I spend my resources?
lone kernel
You mean mirror or you mean in run
peak cliff
should i give nectar to everyone? who should I keep giving nectar to
lone kernel
Just make it rain
peak cliff
oh i mean like nectar, ambrosia, blood, and gemstones
lone kernel
Whomever you like w nectar/ambrosia
Blood: the aspects you like (Eris rail, Rama, beowulf are my top three ymmv)
Sooner or later you’ll be able to afford everything so for now just take it if it seems appealing
Gems, mostly focus on getting the passive in run boosts from contractor, then once it’s all cosmetics left you can start exchanging them for better stuff at the broker
peak cliff
mk thx a lot, and one last thing how do i get companions? i heard meg is good for fast runs
lone kernel
Nectar and ambrosia Meg a lot
peak cliff
okay, so it's just the rng for meg to appear?
mint coral
got exclusive access then my 3rd hermes offered bad news and rush delivery
took bad news bc it was epic greater haste
random kestrel
hmm? the demeter one only increases healing, not max health gain
Aphrodite
whole comet
u did need to beat the 1st region though, or she won't appear
mint coral
sudden rush and minatour rush on beo is kinda fun
white merlin
question
i notice that after i lose a DD to a boss, i almost always see one available in the well of charon. is this just confirmation bias? or is something going on here?
chrome wharf
It's not 100%
whole comet
question: Did Hermes Swift Strike, Attack is faster boon, do anything to Lucifer?
vagrant grove
that would probably be better in #h1-builds-and-combat but iirc, it increases how fast the attack hits
whole comet
yeah, should gonna ask more in the tab
marsh rivet
Aphro
whole comet
aphro and poseidon, prolly those i would tend to skip
marsh rivet
No lol take Aphro boon
whole comet
i mean, the trial fight
vagrant grove
aphro and poseidon, prolly those i would tend to skip
dio's is so hard
marsh rivet
Demeter is also a huge pain for melee
vagrant grove
yeah
vagrant grove
funny thing is, the one Olympian who has tons of stories about "don't scorn this dude" has a super easy trial
random kestrel
Wait so Artemis is more annoying
Sry I had to take a break to eat haven't picked yet
vagrant grove
aphro is worse usually
random kestrel
So I take Artemis
vagrant grove
choose aphro to avoid her
whole comet
u're still talking about the trial choice, right?
random kestrel
Crush shot or different league
vagrant grove
what build
random kestrel
K
vagrant grove
unless aphro build
whole comet
if you have a build in mind, yeah AP could screw u up
whole comet
well a learning experience i suppose
vagrant grove
it could also be that I play a lot of poke aspects and just would rather take DC2 instead of AP
whole comet
i didn't think heightened security is a big deal until try it out lol
marsh rivet
athena, i guess the best?
Athena can be a huge time sink in Elysium if she protects Exalted Shades
and their eyes
But you always take her second anyway because of DDs so it doesn't really matter lol
random kestrel
Omfg every attack buff from any boon is always crossed out
whole comet
at least she's just a pain in one region
random kestrel
Istg I'm losing it
vagrant grove
one time athena protected every single exalted shade and I had to kill them all over again on the last wave
random kestrel
Deadly strike Artemis is crossed out D:
marsh rivet
Istg I'm losing it
If you want copium, one technique I found works well is just not looking at the crossed out option(s)
marsh rivet
Eventually your soul will build callouses
marsh rivet
Hide breaker is kind of mid on fists. Probably fill the core slot, especially with AP1
vagrant grove
Arty on a poke weapon support fire is good tho
vagrant grove
Endless Chamber is kind of bad though, I guess it could work with Zeus and SF
marsh rivet
You'd much much prefer Flash Fire even there I think, to reduce startup and give a bit more range
Eternal Chamber is a trap mostly because it lulls you into giving up your iframes for even longer than Lucifer would typically
vapid narwhal
You mean why Dusa's face is so Dusa?
vagrant grove
yes
it looks like she's lmao'ing
but like, in "real life"
or like she's thinking "you scum"
the crop makes it so weird
random kestrel
Wait so do I not get credit for 10th run?
vapid narwhal
you do, it counts as a win
random kestrel
So do the heat requirements I used get checked off?
vagrant grove
it looks like :/ mixed with :p and 😄
vagrant grove
So do the heat requirements I used get checked off?
yeah, it counts as a won run iirc
chrome wharf
yes
fun fact: if you reach that point without finding out that Eurydice is Orpheus' muse, Zag would only say "Hey its Orpheus" when the singing starts
chrome wharf
yes
random kestrel
That's cool
random kestrel
I didn't so it's okay
whole comet
but eh, if it works and not exploits
twin thistle
but theres kinda no point
twin thistle
32 heat skelly statue when
twin thistle
just do 64 heat on run 10
whole comet
the community created the satisfaction, not the game
chrome wharf
the most you can do is 60
chrome wharf
mod where if you constantly attack dad on the 10th escape for 5 minutes, you start the EM4 fight
whole comet
60 heat. ez
easiest way to 60 heat, no doubt
random kestrel
AAAA OMG CERBERUS IS SOOOO CUTEEE IN THE FAMILY PORTRAIT
marsh rivet
can u even beat situation like this fast?
If by you you mean me, then no, lol. Sword is by a large margin my worst weapon.
In general? It'll depend on boons and stuff
whole comet
with TD3 on
twin thistle
not like one room will end your run
whole comet
would prolly set u back a huge if u face those situations
twin thistle
you build up a time buffer by doing other rooms quickly
whole comet
IF you beat them O_O
whole comet
insanely annoying great shield with atk speed perk
twin thistle
at 33 heat with td3 on you wouldnt need all of those at the same time
whole comet
while that is true
as u progress heat, u eventually have to turn them on
and could face the same thing on higher than 32 heat
twin thistle
yeah but thats like over 40 heat
whole comet
and if TD3 is on, i wonder if people in general just give up or die trying lol
with the sword
twin thistle
its fine?
whole comet
lol no, terrible
twin thistle
like i did a 40 heat ME run with the sword and didnt even get ME
twin thistle
annnnnd thats why you take less ugly pacts
whole comet
i just think in TD3, some stupid RNG minions could kill ur run automatically
vapid narwhal
that's not the case in reality
twin thistle
well rng can always kill your runs
twin thistle
yep ^
vapid narwhal
you are just used to using unnecessarily hard pacts and play it slow
twin thistle
like 57 heat nemesis sword has been done
vapid narwhal
TD3 requires a different mindset effectively
twin thistle
yeah try to just first do some speedruns at lower heat
twin thistle
or not then
vapid narwhal
doesnt change the widely regarded opinion that TD3 is the way to go for high heat over RI, AP, HS, CP
twin thistle
yeah that's why i dont have a hell mode save
vapid narwhal
CP1 is still a no go unless you are stuck with it with Hell mode
whole comet
that's my main file now yes
can't really spend time on both, so i just choose one
and fresh file hell mode attempts lol
twin thistle
hmmm since im playing on my laptop now i can download a hell mode save 
whole comet
unless i'm done with the game, i try not to modify the game
twin thistle
well ive already finished the game twice lol
whole comet
well still working on epligue and the list
and really, there's 2 main goals i wanna do
after that, then i consider done
fast willow
for the legendary chaos boon enshrouded defiance does it add 1 death defiance or replenish like athenas boons?
twin thistle
for the legendary chaos boon enshrouded defiance does it add 1 death defiance or...
add
twin thistle
hmm well i took it but it still looks like i have 3 DDs?
you just took it?
fast willow
you *just* took it?
wym?
twin thistle
its a chaos boon so ya need to get rid of the curse
fast willow
oh right my bad
twin thistle
lol. kk
dusky viper
Iirc you need to get another choas boon first then its available
steady geyser
Do infernal gates or chaos gates take the place of a regular encounter, or are they ‘in addition to’
whole comet
lol chaos gate early with Flayed (special -4hp) with Rama 😦
chrome wharf
Do infernal gates or chaos gates take the place of a regular encounter, or are t...
They take the place unless they're right before the end shop, then it's an extra room
steady geyser
Aw, that takes the fun out of it
dusky viper
Infernal gates are a good choice i you dont like any of the door choices available
dusky viper
lol chaos gate early with Flayed (special -4hp) with Rama 😦
The attack is pretty good but gonna miss that buff
Also you cant die to chaos so just dont get hit lolll
whole comet
not worry about dying, but kinda hate it ruins the fun meter
steady geyser
So like, rn I have the choice of Erebus pom, or Eurydice. But Eurydice has the option of Pom Porridge so why would I choose the infernal gate? I wish infernal & chaos gates were in addition to other rooms
dusky viper
Erebus are higher rarity i think
If you succeed ofc
They do save time so its nice how they are now
twin thistle
well eurydice does happen to be one of the best rooms lol
keen raven
Can you die from chaos gate if you don't have enough health?
marsh ore
Can you die from chaos gate if you don't have enough health?
It just won't let you in
keen raven
Oh
marsh ore
Mhm
brisk trail
What happen if you let the infernal trove run out of the rewards?
Havent tried it yet
I wonder what will hades say
full nexus
There's a threshold at which it stops to decrease
brisk trail
Oh, so it never runs out
full nexus
I can't remember the numbers but you'll always get something yeah
steady geyser
Is Cold Embrace.. good? I have a hard time getting it to actually hit enemies…
dusky wedge
Not really a nice duo in the first place
Thinking about it, I should try it with Talos though
rapid forum
don't rely on it for damage
that's my main takeaway after doing cold embrace hera on EM4
dusky wedge
Is the freeze stacking fast enough?
rapid forum
the freeze stack is still as fast as normal
dusky wedge
Might take a lot more work to just get more Demeter boons lol
rapid forum
but you have to work to make it hit
vapid narwhal
widely considered the worst duo boon, or boon in general in the game
dusky wedge
too bad
rapid forum
that's my main takeaway after doing cold embrace hera on EM4 <:dusa:522248771409...
I do recommend doing this tho... if you're bored and don't really mind the pain and suffering it will induce 
fast willow
would cold embrace be viable if its damage was buffed to like +100% if you used it on a melee aspect?
high island
Is Cold Embrace.. good? I have a hard time getting it to actually hit enemies…
It's better than Crystal Beam and can work very well on melee aspects, but it takes practice and experience, as you've probably noticed. Most people who call it bad just try it a couple times and avoid it because they can't make it work instead of using it more to get better at it.
+100% is too much. A small damage buff would be cool, though.
steady geyser
I do have heroic Crystal Beam +3 rn so I feel like the +30% from Cold Embrace could be worth it
full nexus
Makes you build around Demeter cast which is kinda bad
Crystal clarity achilles is a good way to use Dem cast
Cold embrace has almost no value, the damage buff is negligible and the scaling potential is just not there compared to crystal clarity along with glacial glare
There's no way it can trivialize a run like Crystal Clarity Achilles for example
And that build already needs stars to align so
high island
There are like... three main tactics that I use, I think.
First is putting all your Crystals in one spot for like a very thick, high damage beam and then getting on the other side of your enemy or enemies, so that your Crystals shoot their backs. That's especially useful for bigger enemies where you're sure to hit them with the beam.
Second is forming a triangle or circle with your Crystals and then fighting your enemies anywhere within that circle. That's good for groups of smaller enemies or enemies that move around a lot.
And then the third is putting your Crystals in two positions not too close together and then fighting on that line the beams are forming. That's a tactic I mainly use for Greatshields and Theseus because that way even though they'll always block one of the beams, they'll get hit by the other.
vapid narwhal
this reads like a lot of work
steady geyser
Sounds like a lot of effort, does it pay off is the question 🤔
full nexus
The answer is quite simple :)
vapid narwhal
is the answer a three character word, or two?
full nexus
there's a "o"
high island
I mean it does decent damage and can keep a lot of enemies chilled if you have Glacial Glare.
It's not really that much effort tbh. I mean it's kind of like using Zeus Aspect effectively in a way but not as complex.
And you don't have be optimal to get some value out of it.
The fact that Achilles with Crystal Clarity may be stronger or whatever has no relevance on doing like a Zag Shield build with Heartbreak Strike or something and being offered Cold Embrace along the way.
dusky wedge
If there’s one thing I can say about it, it is that it’s meme-y alright
I think the big difference between good and bad boons is simply how much you need to change your gameplay in order to make it work for you, not really just about the damage output
Hence why ME and Sea Storm just seems so good
Just spam dash strike like you normally do, even beginners with not much mechanical skills can pick it up easily
whole comet
cold embrace might have 20% more dmg, but i guess u tend to lose more dps by repositioning yourself and ur target?
high island
Lose DPS over what?
If you just put down normal Crystal Beams, they don't tend to hit much... and you have to make sure they face the right way when you put them down, too.
whole comet
crsytal clarity would auto lock, so most of the time it would dmg
cold embrace might not, it could just do nothing if it targets u, since the beam did not go through zag
high island
It's not always a choice between Crystal Clarity and Cold Embrace.
Sometimes it's simply a choice between normal Crystal Beams and Cold Embrace.
whole comet
well i'm comparing crystal clarity and cold embrace
both gives extra damage
CC 10% and CE 30%
high island
Wait, can I get both Crystal Clarity and Cold Embrace? Or not?
You could get both for a short time in Early Access lol. If I remember right, it just turned them into normal Crystal Beams with bonus damage.
brisk trail
is aphrodite call + hermes 100% damage movement speed the highest possible damage you can get in one go at once?
rapid forum
dusky wedge
I guess picking up Artemis was a bad idea lol
mint coral
is aphrodite call + hermes 100% damage movement speed the highest possible damag...
Double stygian shard + some styx trap and crit from PP/hunter mark is probably gonna do more
marsh rivet
I mean, you could say that with or without TD3
I still maintain that the number of situations without a timer that can actually kill runs are vanishingly slim. To the point of being close to zero. Usually involves Savior on slow weapons without a damage over time or damage dash.
Re: cold embrace, that boon is pretty abysmal imo. It vastly improves Crystal beam, but that probably more reflects on how terrible Crystal Beam is. You can get dps out of it, for sure, at least. It's one of those AP2 copium boons.
Just like Doom attack Rama lol. Same tier
brisk trail
My game needed an update today for soemreason
void vigil
If there are no patch notes in #hades-patch-notes, it’s just bug fixes
pure karma
Oh no
I am using Pony's QoL mod
And I didnt read the notes
And I got 5 blood instead of 1 cause of 5 heat in hell mode
6 blood actually
I guess I am cheating from now on w/e
vapid narwhal
I wouldnt mind that if I'm an experienced player starting hell mode
lunar orchid
whats it do?
I've never messed with any of the mods I didnt even know there were any
lunar orchid
i think the zeus sheidl is my new favorite weapon
ive never really used that before
but with lots of lightning it can be really fun
ive never killed things that fast before
mint coral
Gotta love ME builds where i dont get it
twin thistle
7? gilga?
vapid narwhal
yeah that's probably the only way to get that many
lunar orchid
ya
i had the posiden keepsake and only got two boons
but like 8 artemis boons
was a dud of a run sadly
twin thistle
no tidal dash lol?
twin thistle
lol couldnt you use a zeus keepsake?
lunar orchid
idk i gambled trying to get typhoon fury and the other wet stuff to max out the wetness
esp with that build ytou just rush around and smash em in to the walls and they all disappear
gray apex
lol couldnt you use a zeus keepsake?
One handed EM4 when
twin thistle
running into lasers intensifies
gray apex
Can't be that bad
upbeat lodge
Almost at 100 runs
fast willow
i just learned that splash dash doesnt activate sea storm
now i finally know why my eris builds never end up getting sea storm but get both lighting rod and mirage shot
i guess taking poseidon cast is the correct choice for classic eris build then just to activate sea storm
mint coral
you dont need sea storm tbf
fast willow
you dont need sea storm tbf
well yeah classic eris build is already insanely powerful but im getting kinda annoyed at the fact that i keep getting the cast duo boons that pretty much dont help the build at all and not sea storm which actually would help
mint coral
lightning rod is really good/mirage depends but is neat ig
tho you can always disable rod if you switch to stygian soul ig
fast willow
lightning rod is really good/mirage depends but is neat ig
tho you can always d...
im not saying that either are bad boons, like i would love to have mirage shot when i play beowulf, its just that on eris the only time i cast is to apply boiling blood
lunar orchid
lightning rod can be wild af
especialliy with high level high voltage and double strike
it can really do alot of the work for you
twin thistle
eris kinda just kills things fast enough anyways lol
pure karma
Can I post a video (hades related) here?
vagrant grove
probably, yeah
meager ridge
Gary Coleman
vagrant grove
?
signal aspen
Gary Coleman
signal aspen
maybe
signal aspen
bruh its a fun game
vagrant grove
the reviews are so funny lmao
pure karma
What game
meager ridge
muck
vagrant grove
looks fun
meager ridge
it's a meme game from some youtuber
vagrant grove
yeah, Dani, same guy who made 3d amogus
steep bobcat
my favorite
meager ridge
you know what other free roguelike you should play?
vagrant grove
honestly a really cool unity dev judging from his yt
meager ridge
dusa is cringe
vagrant grove
void vigil
Can I post a video (hades related) here?
You can post it here if it’s related to the conversation or just drop it in #self-promotion
Even if it’s not your video
chrome wharf
If it's who I think it is, they've been going on about this for at least weeks now
vagrant grove
no I just searched "from: Gary Coleman dusa"
meager ridge
A dedicated Dusa enjoyer
you might as well just say "i'm an extremely dedicated nerd"
meager ridge
i'm a nerd as well
vagrant grove
ae
pure karma
you might as well just say "i'm an extremely dedicated nerd"
You have a problem with cute, severed gorgon heads?
meager ridge
You have a problem with cute, severed gorgon heads?
i don't have a problem with that, i have a problem with annoying characters
vagrant grove
can yall stop arguing about opinions
gary thinks dusa's annoying, fine why turn it into a huge argument
people are allowed to have different opinions
meager ridge
is that good
vagrant grove
pretty good imo
signal aspen
it holds the high heat wr so probably decent
vagrant grove
it also is responsible for high heat wr
signal aspen
seeded/routed and unseeded
meager ridge
can it shred through the game
vagrant grove
with some luck, yeah if you're good with blocks/bull rushes and managing buttons
pure karma
gary thinks dusa's annoying, fine why turn it into a huge argument
Who exactly turned it into a huge argument? Actually you just started a huge argument, which I am gonna lay back from. But think about it.
vagrant grove
Merciful End also shreds everything
meager ridge
hey btw
signal aspen
can it shred through the game
yes
meager ridge
next time you use sword
vagrant grove
Who exactly turned it into a huge argument? Actually you just started a huge arg...
what argument?
vagrant grove
cursed slash is.. not my favorite hammer but it's pretty fun with flurry slash ig
meager ridge
flurry slash?
vagrant grove
zag lifesteal build was fun
meager ridge
makes sword swing fast
hell yeah
that'd be cool
it's a shame it's extremely hard to get the things you want in this game
vagrant grove
it isnt?
you can force boons pretty easily
hammers are heavily rng dependent though
meager ridge
hammers are heavily rng dependent though
yes
that's what i mean
hammers are ass
in terms of spawning
vagrant grove
not really , two always spawn, it's what's in the hammer that's so rng dependent
pure karma
Chain Skewer is so terrible
meager ridge
ok true
vagrant grove
Chain Skewer is so terrible
it really is
meager ridge
imo the rng in this game is ass sometimes
vagrant grove
you just gotta roll with the punches and adapt sometimes, unless you manage to force your build with keepsakes and luck
misty oar
most rng is a kick in the keister at times
pure karma
imo the rng in this game is ass sometimes
This is one the least RNG dependent roguelikes I have played in years. It becomes too RNG dependent with certain pacts.
misty oar
Yeah, this game is not rng feeling at all.
pure karma
It's mostly mechanical skill.
vagrant grove
yup
misty oar
If you wanna play a game that often feels insanely rng dependent, go play binding of Isaac.
vagrant grove
pure karma
If you wanna play a game that often feels insanely rng dependent, go play bindin...
I will disagree on that. (800 hours)
meager ridge
If you wanna play a game that often feels insanely rng dependent, go play bindin...
no
twin thistle
rng really isnt a huge factor compared to skill at low heat
pure karma
Fun fact: I am using a mod that shows boss hp in numbers. Meg has 5k hp, Hydra has 6k, andthen Asterius has 16k and Theseus 10k
that jump
misty oar
How much hp do the Hydra heads have?
misty oar
I think it's 7 heads in addition to the main one?
pure karma
rng really isnt a huge factor compared to skill at low heat
AP2 is where the game becomes a true RNG fest imop
pure karma
How much hp do the Hydra heads have?
I dunno, the mod only shows boss HP. Hydra Heads are considered basic enemies I guess
twin thistle
hmm could check wiki
pure karma
Even then, I don't think the total would be over 10k
misty oar
heads have 820 each
twin thistle
yep
pure karma
so ~13k
misty oar
5740 hp in health and armor added to it
pure karma
with all phases
twin thistle
hmmm extra 9 heads total looks like
pure karma
Which enemy is bother?
signal aspen
the styx trash cans
pure karma
Oh god
high island
3 heads and then 6 heads, yeah.
misty oar
You mean the ashtrays?
signal aspen
the trash cans
pure karma
What is this difficulty measurement in the data?
misty oar
oh
pure karma
I mean how is it measured
high island
Difficulty rating is set by the devs and determines enemy spawns in each chamber and wave along with some other factors.
full nexus
Styx is weird
pure karma
Lil ones
I very much care about Satyrs because I cannot for the life of me properly dodge their attacks
vagrant grove
"medicine"
full nexus
Yeah
whole comet
the pillar can block the darts, so u could also make use of that
or u could just stand close to the fountain and be ready to cleanse urself, their initial dmg isn't that high
bright reef
Do I need to have the gun equipped to get the Zeus dialogue for Lucifer?
pure karma
Hades has 19550 hp on phase one wew
pure karma
Do I need to have the gun equipped to get the Zeus dialogue for Lucifer?
No. Any weapon will do.
bright reef
Ok
pure karma
Have you unlocked Guan Yu and also have 5 blood invested on the Rail?
bright reef
Yep
pure karma
Nice. Lucifer is fun. Kinda weak imo but fun to play.
lone kernel
Listen for the loogies
pure karma
Not sure what triggers the dialogues tbh. I got them without paying attention.
chrome wharf
you need to encounter him once with the rail to get a comment about it. The actual phrase doesn't require using the rail.
Zeus attack is one of the best for rail anyway so might as well hunt with rail. Alternate with other weapons to dodge the RNG desire sensor.
bright reef
I've been using chaos shield cause I still haven't gotten my 10 wins
Wait what's the best shield aspect
signal aspen
zeus or beowulf
chrome wharf
Zeus for fun specials, beowulf for big nukes
vagrant grove
beo goes zoooooom
lone kernel
Listen for the loogies
devout terrace
chrome wharf
loogies?
brisk trail
Hey guys anybody knows when exactly can I get finaly Dusa conversation, if you know what I mean
pure karma
Dusa friendzones you I'm afraid.
brisk trail
Maxed her out, went through her rough story, and still final convo doesn't drigger
brisk trail
Dusa friendzones you I'm afraid.
I know that
pure karma
this is a non-spoiler chat
vagrant grove
so it's just rng
brisk trail
But how do I get that convo?
vagrant grove
But how do I get that convo?
if you did the "dusa gets fired" storyline it's just a matter of rng I'm afraid
brisk trail
Some people say you need thanatos an meg in house as well
vagrant grove
probably yeah, than or meg
pure karma
I dunno about that. I never paid attention
brisk trail
if you did the "dusa gets fired" storyline it's just a matter of rng I'm afraid
damn, so should I just get killed in 1st room and reenter house?
vagrant grove
if you really want the dialogue for the bond, just keep doing runs
brisk trail
I rly hate the rng here, Took a while to get Zeus favor lol
emm I just wanna get epilogue
vagrant grove
yeah, rng for dialogue kinda sucks but is slightly more realisitic ig
pure karma
Zeus favor has some RNG dependencies? I forgot.
brisk trail
as far as I know, I need to max out all gods before epilogue, well aphrodite wants me to max out romances lol
so Im stuck
vagrant grove
as far as I know, I need to max out all gods before epilogue, well aphrodite wan...
just 6
brisk trail
Zeus favor has some RNG dependencies? I forgot.
yes he does, need 5 gods talk about him, so rng
brisk trail
hmm?
pure karma
I dunno, I did it all randomly as I was pushing through heat
vagrant grove
then invite all of them
pure karma
they just happened
brisk trail
weird, well aren't you supposed to max them out 1st?
cuz quest just doesn't appear in my quest tab
vagrant grove
hmm?
you only need the bonds of 6 gods, then talk to mom and then talk to every god to invite them to the epilogue party
brisk trail
well mom doesn't say anything anymore
brisk trail
lol
pure karma
Nyx maybe?
brisk trail
Chaos maxed out, nyx prob max too
pure karma
have you reunited them?
brisk trail
yes
brisk trail
ok ty
vagrant grove
and there's a guide in the wiki for sure
zealous tapir
Seamare, Stonewhal and a trout in the same run. Thank you RNGesus
gray apex
:)
chrome wharf
(:
full nexus
:)
alpine sierra
and then everything plummets downhill as my pact choices accidentally made wingus and dingus insanely difficult while I just do not have a good build
OOPS there go my death defiances
Well gave me a death defiance back
the dream is alive
nope I got slaughtered
wow the overtime pact rly does make a difference huh
gray apex
It can get quite pressuring
full nexus
Unless heat is very high any aspect won't have trouble with it, it's a matter of practice
The hard part is starting to act mindlessly because pressured by the time
jade zenith
I would assume that they are referring to FO not TD
jade zenith
and FO2 can really make some weapons miserable without the extra stuff
gray apex
chrome wharf
single dash FO2
marsh rivet
I think pretty much only superdad really starts entering the realm of "this might have been a mistake" with FO2. They did a number of things to tweak that pact on the other enemies
Some Speeder enemies area also kind of flirting with that line. Chariots in particular
marsh rivet
It's Tartarus, just run it back.
vagrant grove
yeah, I guess
marsh rivet
Dying in Tartarus at high heat is nbd
vagrant grove
that's true, better than dying in Ely ig
marsh rivet
Tartarus just has the highest concentration of dumb rooms vs. no build, so it's kind of expected you're going to die/time out a lot (if TD3)
marsh rivet
Like, there is no skill level at which Seeker Witches won't cause sweatdrops for non-shields at very high heat. They always and will always suck.
twin thistle
seeker witches
whole comet
what region would be considered the easiest, if easiest means the least dying?
or give up
gray apex
Asphodel
white merlin
so uh
whole comet
hardest?
twin thistle
elysium
white merlin
i got 4 chaos boons in tartarus
vagrant grove
nice
twin thistle
thats a lot
white merlin
i hope this doesnt bite me in the butt
twin thistle
speedrun time?
whole comet
lol you're clearing rooms with 2 curses a lot?
white merlin
i have move speed reduction and shorter dash distance right now
going into fury fight
twin thistle
both of those at the same time is fun
whole comet
eh, the fight is too easy, so why not 😄
white merlin
i think im at like, 60% chance for boons to be rare thanks to chaos
and an obscene amount of +% special damage
should be a fun run
gray apex
What aspect
vagrant grove
twin thistle
zeus special
demeter kinda runs into zeus strike internal cooldown btw so youll like get one lightning bolt
or two maybe
white merlin
ah
marsh rivet
If you're not counting dad I think Styx def beats Asphodel
chrome wharf
Styx is less death-prone on average but can go downhill rapidly
coarse mica
i always get wrecked in styx poison is so stupid
chrome wharf
yeah Styx is like, you're one of these away from disaster:
- 4/5 sack on TD3
- High Security things hitting you
- poison
twin thistle
i should download that speedrunning mod pack so i can stop the 5 sacks
vagrant grove
imagine pc
marsh rivet
Yeah it's dece lol.
coarse mica
i remember having a really good shield run but styx was a 5 sack and i got hit waaay to many times with the falling axes, and i died in the 5th tunnel
marsh rivet
(wait bloob you play on Switch how can you possibly tolerate Achilles at high heat wtf lol)
gray apex
Whats wrong with it on switch
marsh rivet
Achilles auto aim is literally 180 degrees (90 in both directions)
twin thistle
turn off aim assist. ez
chrome wharf
the aim is hard to control, also something something Flurry jab
I should turn off aim assist for Achilles
marsh rivet
You also can't target dad if he has an urn... Within a universe away lol
twin thistle
be nice if you could lower specifically that special aim assist by like 90%
marsh rivet
It's mostly laziness I don't really want relearn how to aim projectiles without auto aim for 1 aspect
chrome wharf
unrelated but the 4 notes in the death music are Eb - Db - E - C which is the DSCH motif in classical music (D - Eb - C - B) but with the 2 middle notes swapped and shifted 1 semitone (or half-step) up, which is probably why I always felt like I heard it somewhere before
classical nerd things
gray apex
Can’t relate
high island
Of course you can't relate, it's unrelated.
chrome wharf
also it took until the 3rd credits to realize that the same figure is used in the melody of In the Blood
marsh rivet
Motifs be dope
chrome wharf
motifs are cool
high island
Hard is subjective. It's a lot more difficult than the regular fight.
twin thistle
a lot harder
gray apex
It’s tough but manageable assuming you don’t have other pacts
random kestrel
It’s tough but manageable assuming you don’t have other pacts
About that
Actually my other pacts won't rly affect it
high island
Normally he has 34k HP in total. With EM4, he has over over 60k HP.
gray apex
It’s most likely gonna be fine then, it really starts to get messy with a lot more heat, like Forced overtime, Hard Labor etc
You just have to learn the fight
vagrant grove
(wait bloob you play on Switch how can you possibly tolerate Achilles at high he...
that... wasn't a high heat tier list
high island
If it's just EM4 and nothing else that affects the fight, it's certainly doable without a whole lot of grinding or being able to do 32+ or anything like that. But the fight will probably take a bit of practice to get used to.
random kestrel
Yeah I'm doing 16 heat
high island
Much harder with melee aspects.
random kestrel
I'm going gun, ok
I'm a rail main
More than partly because of haha, funny gun in Greek mythology game
lone kernel
I'm going gun, ok
Yeah gun is a good choice for it
vagrant grove
shield 4 life funni gun goes shoooot
random kestrel
Bam bam bam bam
vagrant grove
haha look short man shooting souls of the dammed with birb gun
lone kernel
lol “and then the son of the god of the underworld found a machine gun and….” head canons are fun
marsh rivet
Head Cannons
chrome wharf
head cannons
twin thistle
hestia more of a sniper
vagrant grove
high island
Not really much range for a sniper rifle if you think about it.
bright reef
I got to the credits
vagrant grove
Well done! 
bright reef
It became so much easier once I started using shield
vagrant grove
this person gets it
lone kernel
Not really much range for a sniper rifle if you think about it.
Hestia is about as close as you’re going to get to a sniper - more about that one perfect shot you set up than the pew pew pew of most guns
bright reef
I find bow the hardest to play honestly
lone kernel
Everybody’s going to like different things
chrome wharf
one of my first posts here was "how to play shield if I can't stand it" lol
flint pollen
Bow is the hardest IMO as well
chrome wharf
then I discovered Zeus shield
lone kernel
Bow takes hidden aspects to really get into it
chrome wharf
Bow is the "you instantly get it or you don't" weapon
flint pollen
Fists is super easy if you get good hangover stacks and ares + aphro duo boons with dio
lone kernel
It’s not easy and feels underpowered
chrome wharf
how do people think that bow has low damage
vagrant grove
Zag Bow won me my first 10 runs
chrome wharf
and not like, rail
vagrant grove
w/ twin shot
twin thistle
unupgraded bow aint great tbh
flint pollen
Fists with ares dash is also surprisingly strong, you deal just an absurd amount of damage to anything that doesnt move incredibly fast
chrome wharf
the second time using bow was my first time beating champs and getting to dad
vagrant grove
unupgraded bow aint great tbh
base bow is not very good
chrome wharf
base bow is based
flint pollen
My fastest run is on fists entirely because i got a lvl 12 heroic hangover with ares and aphrodite duo boons for dionysus, and like lvl 3 epic ares dash xD
mint coral
On a recent fresh file i did the bow run got to the champions trough zeus special spam lol
vagrant grove
On a recent fresh file i did the bow run got to the champions trough zeus specia...
just use artemis on attack and you have base zag bow
lone kernel
I’m gonna do a zag bow run, I’ve used it most recently at 4 heat
flint pollen
Lol
lone kernel
40 with Rama
mint coral
~~just use artemis on attack and you have base zag bow~~
No keepsakes go brrrr
flint pollen
Bow is the one weapon i havent ever even gotten a clear with
gray apex
Cheese one
vagrant grove
No keepsakes go brrrr
luck go brrrr
flint pollen
How does one cheese a clear
flint pollen
I like to do that with aspect of nemesis sword xD
mint coral
How does one cheese a clear
Smoldering air/tidal dash spam ig
gray apex
For the memes
flint pollen
I kinda wanna try to do an attempt at dash only
gray apex
Merciful end on bow is probably harder to play than a normal build lol
twin thistle
gilgamesh dash only is p gud
vagrant grove
me taking chaos gate second-to-last Tartarus chamber
crude surge
@full nexus it’s spreading
flint pollen
Yeah im also not good at this game xd
gray apex
What is it
crude surge
Bow ME
flint pollen
One of the most stupid things i like to do is aspect of nemesis sword with merciful end and then try to get hermes to give me as many dashes as possible after getting athena dash
twin thistle
with un upgraded bow for my new file i just did a merciful build lol
full nexus
Poggies
gray apex
Is Astaos a bow ME ambassador?
gray apex
I had no clue
full nexus
not really
flint pollen
And then you get 5 dashes
full nexus
but it happened once
crude surge
You have cursed this world
mint coral
And then you get 5 dashes
Gamble on eury/rare crop for another dash
flint pollen
Lol
That + crush shot is really dumb
Because with boiling blood and crush shot you take less damage and deal a ton more
vagrant grove
heroic level 5 trippy flare goes brrrrrrrr
crude surge
Dio Beo
vagrant grove
this is the way
mint coral
Icy flare beo
vagrant grove
based
chrome wharf
acided
twin thistle
i just used an epic rare crop on a single epic ares attack
chrome wharf
ME gaming
white merlin
man
cold fusion seems like easy mode
this run was wild
4 chaos boons in tartarus, cold fusion/splitting bolt on demeter
10/10 would run again
crude surge
Icy flare beo <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Thunder flare Beo
marsh rivet
Worst feeling to have to pass epic rare crop with 3 boons in Tart because you need all 3 of them and need a boon to sell.
That... Is obviously not common but it came up for me last week.
white merlin
oof
chrome wharf
also Premium Vintage
white merlin
thats rough buddy
twin thistle
uc sometimes 
marsh rivet
Lol I had lightning strike, Jolted and passion flare on beo, and I was like... I meant I could sell strike and hope to get another Zeus core, but it's not like I'm not taking Athena into Asphodel at 53, and I won't be able to contain my salt if I just have a legendary Jolted and no other Zeus boon by the end.
chrome wharf
won't selling Strike also trigger the Beo bug or something
chrome wharf
whatever you want
there's a last bit of main story to clear out
get the last keepsake
bright reef
I'm missing so many
chrome wharf
last 2 keepsakes actually
bright reef
Which ones
chrome wharf
buy Extremer Measures and give it a spin (ha)
check the codex and see who hasn't given you a keepsake
bright reef
What's an extreme measure
chrome wharf
it's a new work order item that's unlocked by ... doing 1 more run after credits I think
chrome wharf
but get the last 2 keepsakes first
twin thistle
why do i always get nothing but demeter when im looking for other gods
ive seen 2 ares and 1 athena now at elysium mid shop
heroic lvl 4 doom attack and lvl 5 epic impending doon and athena special but no ME
marsh rivet
won't selling Strike also trigger the Beo bug or something
Yeah I had no idea this existed until like a couple of days ago lol
twin thistle
chrome wharf
same lol
twin thistle
i think ive seen over 5 dems