#h1-discussion

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vapid phoenix
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I gave up PepeDab

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First boon was Artemis anyway

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And I was only a chamber in

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Switched out special for Dash

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i remember cursed slash being so based

acoustic plank
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Depends but for beginners its really bad

hollow wave
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Hey uh can I ask a quick question about the hidden aspects here if I spoiler tag the Aspect names?

vapid phoenix
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Not one though. Just forgotten a lot of stuff about the game/haven’t played in a long + lost my first save FeelsDumbMan

gentle mason
acoustic plank
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The real question is how are you at 6 heat but havent gotten all those yet lmao

hollow wave
gentle mason
torn geyser
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Does anyone else feel like 5 minutes is just a bit unpleasant of a time limit? 7 is tight but reasonable. 5 with some weapons or builds just seems unfair

hollow wave
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Why do ya need to get ||Aspect of Guan Yu|| first?

torn geyser
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Story reasons basically

gentle mason
hollow wave
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Alright

vapid phoenix
mint coral
vapid phoenix
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Because I’m a masochist (false) and a moron yurikacry

stable glen
gentle mason
twin thistle
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when get meme beam with stygian soul with 4 casts, mirage shot, crystal clarity, and bad news but no icy glare residentzag

acoustic plank
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5 minutes is perfectly reasonable as long as that's the only thing you need to worry about

torn geyser
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I mean, I did just finish a 23 heat run at 5 minutes but I ran out of time against the Furies. By the end though, Hades couldn't touch my 600-1000 damage shield attacks lol

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I am fairly new to shield builds, but I have 150 hours and completion.

stable glen
jade zenith
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Using the entire timer is probably a good thing

twin thistle
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td3 is a lot easier with aspects like eris rail

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anyways its not supposed to feel like you have a lot of time thats the point dusa

jade zenith
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If you don't use the full timer then you aren't putting enough into it or other time consuming pacts

brisk trail
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a'

torn geyser
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The Fates smile upon me. Explosive Launcher and Charged Launcher with Artemis Special on Zag Spear

real thorn
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do i have to use 3 titan blood to "unlock" guan yu for the other hidden aspects to be available with their requirements?

signal aspen
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No

torn geyser
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Got him again, Zag Spear no time left 1 DD and full Athena Call

real thorn
hollow wave
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How do ya get more Titan Blood once you've beaten Theseus with all the weapons? (I haven't yet just curious for when I do)

vapid phoenix
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you ever escape?

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also, need help deciding

hollow wave
vapid phoenix
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Which will reset all the boss unlocks

hollow wave
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And lemme guess

Make em much much harder?

vapid phoenix
hollow wave
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Will all levels reset unlocks?

twin thistle
hollow wave
twin thistle
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gods pride and epic favor but hermes gave me 3 commons then 3 more commons after the reroll

vapid phoenix
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you can get all the boss rewards again

hollow wave
vapid phoenix
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If it does

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I wouldn’t know

twin thistle
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early heat levels dont matter much

vapid phoenix
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Yeah

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Early heat levels are super easy

twin thistle
vapid phoenix
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Woaaaaah .018373% more enemies bugmanwow

hollow wave
vapid phoenix
vapid phoenix
hollow wave
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I know

twin thistle
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ye then

vapid phoenix
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Excellent discussion boys

quick adder
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Does it reset unlocks all the way to heat level 50?

vapid phoenix
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Yup

quick adder
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Damn I didn't know

twin thistle
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uh no

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its till 20

quick adder
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Oh?

twin thistle
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residentzag when eurydice ambrosia lvls the exact two boons you dont care about

vapid phoenix
twin thistle
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yeah

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ive done it on the bow

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no more goodies

vapid phoenix
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I assume that’s all the rewards you’ll ever need anyway?

twin thistle
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a bit less ive heard but you can grab styx bounties and broker trades/prophecies

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but yeah thats like 240 titan blood n 120 ambrosia and diamonds across all the weapons

brisk trail
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I got demeter now

stable glen
# quick adder Does it reset unlocks all the way to heat level 50?

You recieve a bounty for every boss you beat on each heat level 0-20. You will not get a bounty for fighting a boss on the same heat as a previous win against that boss, even if you died later. You get the bounty for the lowest level of bounty you haven't gotten yet so for example if you get bounties on 0 heat to 12 and then do a 20 heat run, you get the 13 heat bounty.

quick adder
twin thistle
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so it me or is guan yu just zag bow except it sucks ron

stable glen
south lagoon
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do you have it upgraded

brisk trail
hollow wave
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Nope

twin thistle
brisk trail
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when u said zag bow it reminded me i gotta get my heat up with the rail

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specifically aspect of hestia

south lagoon
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they just don't feel similar to me

twin thistle
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charged skewer and lvl 4 epic heartbreak flourish this is basically a pure special build

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also you dont compare guan yu special to zag bow special

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you compare it to the attack

south lagoon
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fair enough

brisk trail
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any tips for pushing heat? i have 3 clears with sword, 1 clear with shield, and 2 clears with everything else besides spear i have no clears

hearty sierra
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Pick easy heat options

brisk trail
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yeah but i want a challenge 😌

hearty sierra
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Middle Management, Lasting Consequences 2, Tight Deadline 1/2 (depending on your proficiency)

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Okay, then... what's your target heat

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And how hard do you want it

brisk trail
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8 to 32

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actually no

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16 to 32

hearty sierra
brisk trail
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ah

hearty sierra
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This is a handy guide for linear progression

brisk trail
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i forgot to watch that whole video

hearty sierra
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But if you want the hardest possible 16 heat I recommend FO2 + EM4

brisk trail
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alr

hearty sierra
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That's if you like torturing yourself, of course

brisk trail
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well i wanna start somewhat difficult but not impossible

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then it makes the somewhat impossible stuff easier

hearty sierra
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encouraging

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try for 16 heat then

mint coral
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just saw a jolted crit for 1200 damage dusa

brisk trail
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damn

brisk trail
hearty sierra
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sure, just experiment as you see fit

mint coral
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forgot how zeus shield with zeus special is, lightning everywhere even without smoldering

vapid phoenix
neat stag
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Want to try a Merciful End build on fists. Is the best way to do it Athena special and Zeus attack?

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Ares attack I mean

twin thistle
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also athena on dash

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athena on special is mainly to be able to get the duo boon but its better to dash strike rather than attack into special

brisk trail
lone kernel
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Breaking wave or typhoon fury on beowulf w Poseidon cast

brisk trail
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Just bought this game and omg is it amazing. Tbh I’m enjoying it a lot more than returnal.

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yeah its a masterpiece ngl

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Just got past Meg after 20 tries lol

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Until I got lucky using the spear lol

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for me spear is my least favorite but if you find success with it then go for it :>

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That’s the bow for me lol

twin thistle
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bow best weapon

brisk trail
brisk trail
hollow wave
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Asterius and Theseus really be like 'Historians will say they were friends'

brisk trail
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mhm

hollow wave
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I got past the Hydra with the bow

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And I think Theseus with the GUN

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Yeah pretty certain was the gun

copper elbow
twin thistle
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what's boring about it?

copper elbow
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not really sure, I just don't have fun with it

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not as much as other weapons anyway

lone kernel
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the bow definitely values certain hammers

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and learning to dash strike power shot can be a challenge that isnt immediately obvious

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that its a thing you can do

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try a few on skelly

twin thistle
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yeah with the bow you rarely want to take consecutive shots from the same position

lone kernel
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Bow also gets better with upgrades

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A lot of the level 1 bows are doodoo

twin thistle
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you pretty much go into a rhythm of constantly dash striking circling around enemies

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good thing though is zag bow is really good to upgrade since its really cheap being the base aspect but is also really strong unlike most zag aspects

pallid canyon
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Bro just beat hades for the first time in run 40, I didn't till like 78 😭

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And his nectar allocation was wack

lone kernel
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see who can do 32 heat first then

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ez

twin thistle
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wait oh lol i just understood what you meant by bro

ripe otter
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Watching Zagreus slowly try to teach Tisiphone to say his name is just adorable

pallid canyon
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He's playing on PC and on big screen and I'm playing on tabletop switch we are not the same 😤

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I mean I'm just joking mostly, he had me giving him tips and better screen. Before like last week I only popped in here for bug reports really

lone kernel
dusky viper
hollow wave
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Ugh I need Patroclus but he refuses to show

I just need his keepsake to beat a prophecy

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And then I'll be a step closer to Guan Yu

vestal plank
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i absolutely love that the discord mods have their names in the credits

hollow wave
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Does Hades have any special dialogue if you get to him with his aspect?

vestal plank
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redacted? yes

twin thistle
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a lot of different aspects actually

hollow wave
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Hopefully Patroclus shows up this run

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If he does I can get Guan Yu and be on my way to the other hidden aspects

vestal plank
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finally hitting the credits and the 10th run for game completed after.. 48? 50? attempts is nice

hollow wave
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Does Tisiphone ever say anything but Murder and Murderer?

vestal plank
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but i love how the story at the end carries forward to keep the replayability to fit the story

vestal plank
twin thistle
hollow wave
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How?

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Beating her?

vestal plank
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like all things

twin thistle
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just facing her a lot

vestal plank
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over time

hollow wave
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All right

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Thanks

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Was just curious

twin thistle
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play game. win funny dialogue. like theres a crap ton of dialogue

wise oasis
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Pat doesn't have anything to do with hidden aspects, I got all of them before I even progressed his dialogue in the slightest (because I am dumb and didnt check the codex GangSunglasses )

hollow wave
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No no

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I need Pat for his keepsake

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So I can complete the prophecy

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And in turn get 2 Ambrosia I can trade in for 2 Titans Blood

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And I currently have 1 Titans Bloos

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*Blood

wise oasis
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Ah

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Makes sense

twin thistle
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huh actually how much have you leveled achilles spear thanthink

hollow wave
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Me?

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Haven't unlocked that aspect yet

twin thistle
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like if you put some levels into it it would actually make for a really easy clear with some luck lol

vestal plank
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woo 10 completed runs out of 49
i was able to do it before 50

hollow wave
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I prefer the challenge

twin thistle
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ah thats fine then

hollow wave
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Also question

Does Nectar not spawn once you get a have a certain amount at once? I currently have 8 and havent seen a single chamber with Nectar in a few runs

twin thistle
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i have like 15+ and still see it

hollow wave
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Weird

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I must just be unlucky

twin thistle
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think nectar is a bit uncommon in general

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compared to the other dark laurel rewards

hollow wave
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Im saving it incase Pat keeps not spawning and I'll just get Ambrosia the hard way (other than killing Theseus)

vestal plank
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the record scratch for charon is still perfect i think

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how to loose a run in 3 easy steps
charon swooshy attack

hollow wave
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LETS GO HE SPAWNED

ripe otter
hollow wave
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WOAH GUAN YU'S SPEAR LOOKS SO COOL

vestal plank
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yah but god is it a pain till you lvl it up

twin thistle
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imo its kinda meh

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even then

modern garnet
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it's strong!

vestal plank
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4th spear aspect?

dusky wedge
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Strong special from the get go!

twin thistle
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eh idk. i tried the charged skewer build. the dps didnt feel that great

vestal plank
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its very slow on the basic attacks

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it has a strong thrown ability

twin thistle
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unless theres something else im missing

hollow wave
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I did a very short (purposefully died in Tartarus) run with Guan Yu aspect and its fun

dusky wedge
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Still does so much more damage than Zag bow, if you’re wondering

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The base special damage is 45

hollow wave
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Him being a future wielder of the spear is also very interesting

Isn't he seen as a God in some parts of the world?

twin thistle
hollow wave
dusky wedge
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Well, the main “advantage” of Guan Yu was how it has a default move set that can heal you. Just saying advantage in parentheses because it’s actually hard to utilize, but it is still free healing

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The special being that way, is just another thing added to it, but the main gimmick was the self healing

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If we just look at Guan Yu as a whole, yeah, it’s still pretty decent

hollow wave
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It also has a really cool design

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Its got that going for it!

vestal plank
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i much prefer playing aspect 4 (arthur) on sword over guan yu

dusky wedge
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Especially considering how good players might be able to actually use that self healing to great effect

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If we just consider it as a Special spear machine, yeah, I agree, it’s like the bow

hollow wave
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Also why does Lucifer being the gun strangely fit?

twin thistle
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idk about how useful the healing is. its pretty easy to use on spawning enemies but with stuff like fo2 you dont have much time to charge it against already spawned in enemies and lc4 probably completely removes the healing while hl4 makes it rather inefficient. i guess i could try a build focusing on the charged attack instead of the special but i feel like the dps wont be great

raw herald
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Guan Yu special is much wider than the bow attack, and it also allows you to dash strike twice after it

twin thistle
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yeah i did notice it being very easy to line up specials

raw herald
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Charged skewer gives it a base damage of 135 when charged fully, which is way higher than the bow attack

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Bow attack does charge faster though

short glen
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What does the zag spear do again?

twin thistle
hollow wave
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It stabs

twin thistle
raw herald
twin thistle
raw herald
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You could be weaving in dash strikes after every special

dusky wedge
twin thistle
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or just using special

vestal plank
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just got lucifers aspect after yall mentioned it

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now to figure out how to build this

twin thistle
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idk id just rather have the extra hp

raw herald
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Zeus attack, same as Eris rail

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Also this particular zag bow build requires that you stay point blank to enemies

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Which is unsafe

dusky wedge
hushed belfry
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I've found gilgamesh aspect is the best for my playstyle

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all the dashes

short glen
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Gilgamesh good <3

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Gilgamesh deserves buffs

hushed belfry
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with ares boons it's amazing

vestal plank
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hmm. idk yet with lucifer

hushed belfry
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with gilgamesh I got my fastest time (17 mins)

vestal plank
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its a beam and hellfire are.. odd

twin thistle
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yeah true with both double and triple arrows you have to be closer than normal for damage

hushed belfry
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just use chiron if u wanna use bows in my opinion

twin thistle
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uh nah. all bow aspects are very good

high island
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All of the bow aspects are good, yeah.

hushed belfry
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I just really like Chiron

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especially with the hammer one that makes ur special do consecutive damage

high island
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It's fun. Can't keep up with the others in DPS, though.

hushed belfry
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I still prefer Gilgamesh tho

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like overall

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that weapon is the best for my style

high island
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What's your style?

hushed belfry
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i dunno how to put it in words

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I've just found I have better runs using it

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also it's paws what's not to love

raw herald
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Fair enough 🐾

little dragon
hushed belfry
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what? Who is that?

rapid forum
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Me: time for meme beam run
Hermes: did I hear new PB run?
Me: no...?
Hermes: well I got some BAD NEWS for you

deft remnant
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a boon that gives me +60% attack damage

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will it affect dash strike?

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cause i have that + a chaos boon for dash strike :S

raw herald
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Yes it will

deft remnant
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cool

forest falcon
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Does artemis dash strike boon affect the bow

raw herald
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It affects the bow dash strike

steady geyser
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Yo I was doing 1 heat runs when I discovered the veiled things, so I put on 8 heat and got my best time yet (39m) with the shield. Sudden Rush + Minotaur Rush + Hera aspect with doom attack & special is dope. Shield is OP. And then I get the skelly statue… which is pretty funny ngl

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Also beat Hades with 4 defiances left

polar marsh
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Lucky tooth

fathom moth
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super mega ultra rare chaos boon?

steady geyser
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I just meant lucky tooth

fathom moth
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oh

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oop

forest falcon
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The bones hades , persephone and etc wear are real bones right

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There was some dialogue about it

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Zagreus is wearing small cerberus heads so I'm curious

hearty sierra
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They are, yes

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At least Hades's ones are

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We never know about Persephone's

stoic flame
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what would be a good build for chiron

hearty sierra
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Build accordingly

stoic flame
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alright

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artemis it is

hearty sierra
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Aphro on attack and work on heart rend, then

little dragon
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wdym zeus on special

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id put zeus/ares on the main shot, since youre just tagging them with it before special spam

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and then anyone else for special

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does zeus make every individual arrow of the special chain lighting out or something

raw herald
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No, but it's still good if you get jolted and double strike

little dragon
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kind of a waste of chirons precious special slot though

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all those arrows for a single stack of jolted / doom

raw herald
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It does give AOE

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And doesn't rely on getting conc. volley

little dragon
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or using the non focused special like zag bow

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to jolt multiple enemies

raw herald
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I mean when using the homing special

little dragon
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you should do poseidon special, then zeus duo residentzag

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which will actually lighting strike them for every hit of the special

raw herald
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No it doesnt

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But it's still good

little dragon
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hm

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if it doesnt work then i dont think thats very good at all

raw herald
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No it's still solid

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Tempest flourish has a pretty high % bonus

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And Zeus scales well with his own boons and global damage

little dragon
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zeus/ares on the special effectively turns it into a 1 hit attack

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which negates the entire advantage of chiron

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its still viable but pretty far from optimal

raw herald
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You get 2 bolts per special, more if you aim it perpendicular to enemies

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Thunder flourish Chiron has the modded anyheat WR, and sea storm has the unmodded WR

little dragon
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hm if its 2 not 1 thats not terrible

deft mulch
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what do people use for chaos shield builds?

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and ||with beowulf do you use regen cast or pickup cast?||

raw herald
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Pickup

little dragon
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pickup always because it lets you stack multiple casts into a single attack, and youll always be standing right next to them once they trigger anyways

raw herald
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Regen for Dio cast

little dragon
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for chaos shield i usually go ares

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ares and zeus make it more of a long range aoe type of thing

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while a % attack, youll want to do it at point blank range to hit them with multiple shields

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and youd want dashing flight hammer with that probably for even more damage, and since youll dash into enemies to get close enough in the first place

hearty sierra
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Dio and stack Hangover tho

raw herald
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You'd want explosive return for every special boon on chaos

little dragon
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tbh pretty much all the fun special hammers dont work with zeus or chaos for some reason

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so its just explosive return or empowering flight

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sudden rush is pretty fun

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for spam

brisk trail
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aspect of chiron or hera

little dragon
brisk trail
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which is better

little dragon
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so if youre short on blood, hera for sure

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long term, they both have pretty huge potential. hera has an edge in raw burst damage, but its more of a playstyle choice

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the better one is the one youre better at and like more

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hera is a bit harder, since it takes alot of fast inputs

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to lodge multiple casts very quickly between attacks. especially if you get +1 or +2 casts, its ideal dps takes fast hands

brisk trail
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Question, is there an optimal combo for the spear? Like mixing attack with dash strike? Like is mixing up more optimal than the basic three hit chain

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I don't know if that question makes sense

raw herald
hearty sierra
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And hammers, like mac says

brisk trail
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I'm running Hades rn

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So flurry is no good

hearty sierra
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Spin dash-attack, dash-attack, then

raw herald
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Probably just spin into 2 dash strikes

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Cancel the spin recovery animation with a dash strike

hearty sierra
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Aim for massive+quick spin

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I believe serrated is also good?

raw herald
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And exploding launcher + charged skewer

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Which is probably the best combo for Hades spear

brisk trail
raw herald
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Also if you let go of the spin and dash at the same time, you'll do both at the same time and hit a wider area with your spin

hearty sierra
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Exploding+charged is good for pretty much every spear lmao

brisk trail
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Exploding charged is dumb good yeah

hearty sierra
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Yeah the trick with spinning is to charge spin and then dash but not letting go of the attack button

brisk trail
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Do I bother going for a full spin charge or just quick as possible

raw herald
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Depends what you can get away with

hearty sierra
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Depends on how likely you are to be hit

brisk trail
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Yeah dumb question lol

hearty sierra
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The general rule is charge for as long as possible and dash away if you're about to get hit

raw herald
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In between waves you can charge up a full spin quite easily

hearty sierra
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All this hades talk is making me wanna play lmao

brisk trail
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I just gotta get good

hearty sierra
stoic flame
brisk trail
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I've been forcing myself to use thans butterfly because apparently I think I'm a pro gamer or something

stoic flame
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just mark and then focus on dodging

hearty sierra
brisk trail
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alr ill get chiron

hearty sierra
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Generally I prefer not to use keepsakes that force you to have them on to get their effects, though

brisk trail
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what kinda boons and stuff am i looking for with chiron

stoic flame
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good boons 🗿

hearty sierra
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Artemis, Dio

stoic flame
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dio is neat

hearty sierra
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On the special

little dragon
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pretty much always the same 2 hammers

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+4 arrows and more damage per consecutive

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with dio you can skip both though (the damage all comes from hangover, and you can max its stacks with the base arrows), which is a hidden strength of dio. more consistent hammer rng.

molten depot
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When you come back to the game after 1 year when you 100%'ed it and now starting a new file.

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Already played 3 hours in my first session. And reached the Elysium boss.

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It´s like riding a bike.

heady cypress
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How do you unlock weapon aspects again?

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I'm playing on my dad's ps4 so I don't have my safefile and need to start all over again._.

mint coral
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get all weapons then do a run after

heady cypress
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buys shield

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I have to get everything before malphon appears right?

mint coral
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i think so

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finally got artemis legendary on beo

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not a myth ron

signal aspen
brisk trail
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isnt elysium boss kinda harder than hades

signal aspen
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no

hearty sierra
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63 heat Hades is sorta hard tho

lone kernel
hushed belfry
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hypnos is that you?

lone kernel
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I wonder if when you get to dad at 63 he’s like, “bruh” and that’s it

heady cypress
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Is dealing with arty or Poseidon easier

hushed belfry
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poseidon easier IMO

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mainly cuz artemis can mark you iirc

heady cypress
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Oh hell nah

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I have 40 hp 1 crit and im gone

hearty sierra
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Arty is hella easy

heady cypress
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?

hearty sierra
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Green circles just dodge

heady cypress
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Aren't they pretty annoying when you try to kill stuff?

signal aspen
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poseidon is really easy to dodge

heady cypress
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Just like aphros trial

hearty sierra
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Poseidon is just slightly easier than Aphro/Dem imo

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It's too easy for me to get caught up in the wave when I spam dash

heady cypress
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But aphro is hard

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I'll go with arty

lone kernel
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I’m most scared of aphro and Poseidon

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And kinda Zeus

hearty sierra
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Not dem? Dem kills me

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Aphro's damage is measly in comparison

stoic flame
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i wonder if there is a special message or thing if you clear the game at max heat

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some new

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stuff

heady cypress
hearty sierra
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Don't think so

#

But I didn't really clear the game, just reached hades

stoic flame
#

at max heat???????

brisk trail
#

is max heat even theoretically possible

lone kernel
#

Sure

hushed belfry
#

yes if you're very VERY good

#

and probably need god mode

brisk trail
#

ok wtf doed ambriosa even do

hushed belfry
#

max hearts

brisk trail
#

i have 9 of them now and i never used 1

lone kernel
#

But it’s also possible I’m gonna become a billionaire off the random crypto I bought yesterday for $4

hearty sierra
brisk trail
hushed belfry
#

need it for maxing affection after a certain stage

brisk trail
hearty sierra
hushed belfry
#

you need to do their quests

brisk trail
#

skelly has a locked heart for me

hushed belfry
#

just keep talking to them helping out etc

#

keep killing him

#

and chatting

brisk trail
#

then after a specific interaction or quest, heart will unlock, then you can give ambrosia

lone kernel
#

“How do I get xyz in hades” do more runs

#

game solved

#

it literally is just keep playing

hushed belfry
#

Nyx is the hardest to unlock for me at least

#

cuz chaos would say every line except stuff about her

signal aspen
brisk trail
#

the amount of darkness you need is no joke

#

i'm not even halfway

hushed belfry
#

I had it luckily

#

cuz I knew I needed a lot so I just did runs with no heat

stoic flame
hushed belfry
#

and when a weapon had dark thirst I'd take it

heady cypress
#

I have 1dd atm and 1 from skellys keepsake, lost both of them in this run and found the depressed version of Achilles he gave me 2 charges of dd and both of the symbols look like regular dd's even tho one them should be skellys dd, can I keep the 2nd one without having to carry the tooth?

stoic flame
#

how many dds do you have from the mirror?

heady cypress
#

1

hearty sierra
#

That's odd, tooth is usually the last DD to be expended

stoic flame
#

then you will lose 1 dd

hushed belfry
heady cypress
#

Patro-

#

..

hushed belfry
#

Patroclus

heady cypress
#

Thanks

hushed belfry
#

his boyfriend

stoic flame
#

the bruh?

heady cypress
#

Depressed pat

stoic flame
#

i thought they were friends

hushed belfry
#

are you serious?

brisk trail
heady cypress
#

I think they're lovers too but Idk that much bout the story

hushed belfry
#

they are 1000% lovers

hearty sierra
#

The most canon gay stuff in the history of greek gays

stoic flame
#

thats just a speculation

hearty sierra
#

Doesn't help that Achilles is the most famous greek warrior

hushed belfry
#

side not minor spoiler || I love how the bracer achilles gives you is the same type that Patroclus wears, he is also missing one so I like to think that achilles gave you his bracer||

brisk trail
#

oh no is not speculation

#

not at all

hushed belfry
#

their ashes were mixed

#

you don't do that with a friend

#

only with lovers

stoic flame
#

im pretty sure i read somewhere achilles bozoinked a girl

hearty sierra
stoic flame
#

ah

heady cypress
#

I think Achilles once said that his heart belongs to someone else
Was it when you give him Ambrosia?

brisk trail
#

that doesn't mean he cant also have a boyfriend dusa

brisk trail
hearty sierra
#

Yeah it's normal in greece to have a woman to procreate with... And a very, very close guy friend that you bone sometimes

brisk trail
#

what does dark foresight even do

#

heals a little when you pick up darkness i think?

hearty sierra
hushed belfry
#

ancient greece didn't have sexuality like we do, it was all power dynamics

brisk trail
#

ah no wait

#

gives you more darkness with that specific weapon

hushed belfry
#

but yeah achilles and patroclus very gay

hearty sierra
brisk trail
#

no wait

#

wrong again

hushed belfry
#

Thanatos and Zagreus tho... I like them

#

than is very cool

lone kernel
#

Dark thirst: more gems and darkness

#

Dark foresight: mirror talent, generally better than the alternative since more boons and poms etc also makes purging pool hurt less at high heat

hearty sierra
#

Honestly, the worst thing about 63 is that you get 1 dash and that's it

#

Can't even dash attack properly

brisk trail
#

hey what is SD

lone kernel
#

and yeah Achilles and patty are in love lol when that plot line came up I prioritized it because patty’s saved my bacon so often haha

lone kernel
hearty sierra
# brisk trail hey what is SD

You know how DD replenishes half your health, but once you use it it's gone? Stubborn defiance is another version of that

lone kernel
#

It typically pairs with lasting consequences 4 on the pact (no healing)

#

Let’s you die once a room with a 30p respawn

hearty sierra
#

You replenish less health when you lose all your health, but it regenrates each room

brisk trail
#

ahh

#

that seems p good acc

lone kernel
#

If you’re not playing higher heat, not necessary rn

brisk trail
#

nah i was just checking heat startergy

lone kernel
#

but yes, tactical lava baths in asphodel to squeeze out 7 more hp is a thing I do lol

brisk trail
#

i was tryna see the easiest for 4 heat lol

lone kernel
#

Yeah, it allows you to get around LC4

#

4 heat: em2 and td1

brisk trail
#

i still dont have like half the mirror unlocked

lone kernel
#

Lc4 is not easy lol

#

Go nuts, but there’s lower hanging fruit to be had haha

#

Keep doing runs!!!!

hearty sierra
#

It was foolhardy of me to assume that hestia could work with DC2 shadegrief shadegrief

lone kernel
brisk trail
#

yahh i am

lone kernel
#

Sooner or later that’ll be you

brisk trail
#

achilles spear is so op

lone kernel
#

yep

#

Flurry jab super based

#

and casts being good is fun lol

brisk trail
#

i just meant mirage and hunting blades

#

is +2 cast or replenish cast better for achilles?

heady cypress
#

Passed the elysium boss two times in a row, 4 hp in the first run and 11 In the 2nd no dd's left

brisk trail
#

and blade rift

hollow hawk
#

depends on your cast

#

if you wanna high roll, go for stygian soul blade rifts

#

and look for extra casts from chaos

#

if you wanna be safe, just use infernal

hearty sierra
#

Generally, +2 is better

hearty sierra
heady cypress
#

Yes

#

Well

#

Not exactly

hollow hawk
#

theyre probably a new player

#

lol

heady cypress
#

I'm playing on my dad's ps4 (he's not as mean as hades) so I have to start all over again

hearty sierra
#

Lmaoooo

brisk trail
#

i had like uhh reload from hermes

hollow hawk
#

ah

heady cypress
hollow hawk
#

quick reload? that doesnt do much for blade rifts

hearty sierra
hollow hawk
#

greater recall is nice

heady cypress
#

Already finished 3 or 4 runs and failed miserably on 8 heatbouldy

brisk trail
#

but with +2 casts do the blade rifts get stuck so in bosses i have to kill them before i get them back?

hollow hawk
#

no

#

blade rifts never get stuck in enemies

lone kernel
brisk trail
#

oh okay

lone kernel
#

12 lasers

#

yeet

hollow hawk
#

meme beam achilles is so fun

heady cypress
#

Are you playing with the green or the red cast talent in the mirror?

hearty sierra
#

Poison sucks so goddamn much this far

brisk trail
#

what is glacial glate

hollow hawk
#

@heady cypress thats what theyre asking about

lone kernel
heady cypress
lone kernel
#

so you can drop a laser, wait 3 seconds, drop another

#

and you’ll end up with like, a lot of lasers if running Stygian

#

Also glare opens up Arctic blast which effectively doubles your beam power

brisk trail
#

what laser?

lone kernel
#

Demeter cast

brisk trail
#

ive never had a laser cast

#

ohhhh

lone kernel
#

Crystal beam

brisk trail
#

tbh i think ive seen demeter like once

heady cypress
#

Isn't that a duo boon with demeter?

lone kernel
#

Homing beams are Demeter Artemis

hearty sierra
#

6 mins left, 63 goddamn heat, 150 health, wish me luck, guys

lone kernel
#

Glacial glare and arctic blast are tier 2 Demeter only

heady cypress
raw herald
#

Did you beat the furies?

lone kernel
#

*you need a non cast core dem boon to show up for Arctic blast

brisk trail
#

ahhhh thanks

lone kernel
#

but with glacial glare Stygian homing lasers I’d take Arctic blast over winter harvest lol

heady cypress
#

Do you have 6 minutes for styx or for hades

hearty sierra
#

Okay I gotta chill for a bit

brisk trail
#

i Thoight hunting blades was the only way for achilles

lone kernel
#

It’s not

hearty sierra
#

1/3 of the health in and dad spears mw for 105

#

I am already almost dead

#

I should've brought acorn

brisk trail
#

im gonna try demeter next if i literally ever see her again

lone kernel
#

@brisk trail you could try it with a basic Zeus cast and go into sea storm

#

or Athena phalanx shot

#

Achilles is good for more than just duo specific casts

brisk trail
#

id like to know more combos for all the weapons

#

for now i just use the same thing that worked for me

lone kernel
#

So here’s the thing

#

you can just copy victory screens for ideas

#

the macro part of the game comes from knowing what to do and how to make it work if you don’t get xyz god

#

For Achilles, try starting Artemis then take Demeter or ares cast whomever shows up first - opens up their keepsake in asphodel

brisk trail
#

but is demeter really rare?

lone kernel
#

Or zeus cast, which is pretty stronk all on its own

#

Not more or less than other gods. Give her nectar next time u see her

brisk trail
#

ive seen her when she was introduced

#

:(

hearty sierra
#

Well uh

#

FO2 hades is speedy

stoic flame
#

@hearty sierra have you cleared 63 heat?

hearty sierra
#

Uh

#

I suppose so

#

Oh yeah I don't think I've mentioned to you guys

#

I only play modded

#

So 63 heat in vanilla is miles harder than 63 on my end

raw herald
#

What do the mods do?

stoic flame
#

^

hearty sierra
#

Let's see...

raw herald
#

I'm guessing it's not the speedrunning modpack

hearty sierra
#

Shortens the biomes to 2 encounters per biome

raw herald
#

Lmao

signal aspen
#

oh

#

bruh

stoic flame
#

bruh

hearty sierra
#

Except for styx, which is unaffected

#

Basically boss rush

stoic flame
#

how do you eve

#

get boons

#

or anything

hearty sierra
#

I don't

heady cypress
#

Nooo I just spent all of my gems without checking the offer in the shop I could technically buy nectar for 10 gems

stoic flame
#

😎

heady cypress
#

The game did that on purpose

hearty sierra
#

There's like 7 boons on my victory screen and 4 of them came from styx

hollow wave
#

My first serious run with Guan Yu and I made it to Asterius

#

Id say that was a pretty successful run

hearty sierra
#

Guan Yu is a hard weapon

hollow wave
#

Its fun

lone kernel
#

Based

hollow wave
#

Also got Orpheus to sing

#

His singing voice caught me off guard

last veldt
hearty sierra
#

Also uh the second mod

#

there's two mods

hollow wave
#

Also was Eurydice a nymph in the myths? I dont remember much of that particular one

hearty sierra
#

Last I checked

#

Oh wait, she was!

#

A daughter of Apollo, which explains her proficiency at singing

hollow wave
#

Her design in Hades might be one of my favorites in the game

hearty sierra
#

One is LongerRuns (but negative values shorten runs) and the other is PonyQoL, which, aside from quality of life changes like being able to ignore rewards after rooms and highlighting coin-holding vases, also adds a special buff to hestia which I further modified

#

That is to say

#

Oop

signal aspen
#

interesting

hollow wave
#

Also I hate Theseus as much as everyone else, but gods Zagreus is a bit uncalled for rude towards them as well

stoic flame
#

bruh

#

ded links

reef zodiac
#

Backstabbing for 1300 do be kinda funny

hearty sierra
#

Ugh fine

#

One sec

signal aspen
#

nice

hearty sierra
stoic flame
#

ez

reef zodiac
hearty sierra
#

wait no

#

1mil

signal aspen
#

big bak steb

reef zodiac
#

What mod is allowing that to happen

stoic flame
#

what even is the game lmao just press attack and win

hearty sierra
#

Not when DC2 exists and you can't dash while reloading

#

And only the first shot does that

hollow wave
hearty sierra
#

It's a cool aspect

#

I like it

reef zodiac
hollow wave
#

But not a cool dude

hollow wave
reef zodiac
#

It is

#

But in the image it’s rail

wise oasis
#

They're talked about the shield

reef zodiac
#

Oh

hearty sierra
#

But yeah there's quite a bit wrong with the photo

wise oasis
#

Aspect of zeus looks like that he

#

Ye*

reef zodiac
hearty sierra
#

5 star keepsakes and companions, hooray

wise oasis
#

Why is it showing hestia like that

#

Looks wonky

hearty sierra
#

Shooting animations are always wonky

wise oasis
#

No I mean in your boon list

#

Also you must play a lot if you have 184 million darkness dusa

hearty sierra
#

Without border?

#

Doesn't it always do that?

signal aspen
#

no

hearty sierra
wise oasis
#

Not sure, maybe? I think it normally shows the rarity but I could be wrong

hearty sierra
#

Oh, yeah

signal aspen
#

it shows the rarity

hearty sierra
#

My aspects go to level 10

wise oasis
#

Ah yes

hearty sierra
#

But rarity colours go to 5

wise oasis
#

Understandable

hearty sierra
#

Other cursed stuff includes this screen

raw herald
#

Can you get damage control -1?

stoic flame
#

💀

signal aspen
#

that would be pog

raw herald
#

1:36 jesus

stoic flame
#

just no enemies at all

#

walk through thr game

hearty sierra
#

I can get DC 1k though

raw herald
#

Imagine that on arthur

reef zodiac
#

I have multiple videos where Asterius swings while I’m bull-rushing and it says “BLOCKED!” but I also get hit

stoic flame
#

imagine FO5

hearty sierra
stoic flame
reef zodiac
hearty sierra
#

FO5 is hell without help

wise oasis
#

How does that Arthur aspect work

#

Do you just heal whenever you take damage

reef zodiac
#

Well I guess speeder FO2 = FO4.5

hearty sierra
#

200... yes, you get healed for equal damage dealt, regardless of max health

wise oasis
#

Lmfao

#

Fair

reef zodiac
#

Wait

#

+100% attack speed??

hearty sierra
#

So uh if you had the time and patience you could just stack several million health by standing in the aura and letting some lazers zap you

hearty sierra
wise oasis
#

135% crit rate

hearty sierra
#

all attacks crit

reef zodiac
#

What does that even do? When you press attack the game automatically attacks an infinite number of times, causing your character to glitch out with a different animation every frame and it deals infinite damage?

wise oasis
#

Ye, just funny

reef zodiac
hearty sierra
raw herald
#

Just get a level 95 epic pressure points

hearty sierra
#

It's multiplicative

reef zodiac
#

But like how

#

That makes sense when you’re increasing something, like speed

raw herald
#

+100% is double I think?

reef zodiac
#

But when you decrease it, like how long it takes to attack, then ??

raw herald
#

As in, I don't think epic swift strike is -30% attack cooldown

wise oasis
#

Why would it defy all logic? You just attack 2x faster

reef zodiac
raw herald
#

I'll ask around

reef zodiac
wise oasis
#

Ah

#

Should be -50%

reef zodiac
#

But I guess it could also mean there’s just no windup, but the animations still take the same amount of time

#

That would make sense

wise oasis
#

I'm not fully sure how it works in hades anyway so I can't say for sure though

reef zodiac
#

Fair

raw herald
#

I'm getting ??? responses in the speedrunning server

#

Ill wait till cgull or pseudo see it

reef zodiac
#

“I think it affects both” zote

hearty sierra
#

lmao how would you even normally achieve 100% attack speed

reef zodiac
#

You cant

hearty sierra
#

Heroic Hermes only goes to 40%

raw herald
#

Most is 55% with zag sword

reef zodiac
#

The best you can do is 65% special speed with Zag spear though

raw herald
#

Oh yeah

reef zodiac
#

I once got that with exploding launcher

raw herald
#

that aspect

reef zodiac
#

65% special speed + Exploding launcher makes a spear special build feel like it’s actually good

hearty sierra
#

here you guys go

#

100% attack speed

#

101 and the game breaks and zag can't attack

raw herald
#

Seems like we've got our answer

hearty sierra
#

Trust me, I've tried

reef zodiac
#

It got rid of all the windup

raw herald
#

327 heat bouldy

reef zodiac
#

So that taught me two things actually

#
  1. Attack speed doesn’t change the time that your hitboxes are out, it only changes the amount of time between each attack.
  2. 10% attack speed increase = you have 10% less windup between attacks
hearty sierra
#

Another thing to learn! If you dash out of radius while demeter fists are still dealing damage, the damage will stop being dealt

#

For an example, if you were to dash away when the special has hit 3 times, the remaining 2 hits will be negated

#

The inverse is also true

#

If you've started the animation and dash into an enemy, the special will hit them regardless of if they were in the original hitbox

reef zodiac
#

Just like with Talos, where you can cancel the special after the magnet part

hearty sierra
#

Yeah, you can just cancel partway

wise oasis
#

How many times does your charged special hit?

hearty sierra
#

Uh

#

500

#

That's how I learned this

wise oasis
#

500???

#

Damm

hearty sierra
#

though the sky's the limit with how many times it can hit

#

could probably set it to hit 5mil and it'd be fine

#

The code is robust

brisk trail
#

em2 was pretty hard acc

#

harder than that armored foe perks thing

hearty sierra
#

EM2 is a challenge, yes!

#

Lava hurts a lot

reef zodiac
#

EM3 though snowmadeline

hearty sierra
#

And you have less pillars to hide behind

reef zodiac
#

I haven’t played without EM2 in at least 4 months

hearty sierra
#

I mean, yeah, EM3 is also difficult

reef zodiac
#

EM4 though agoneyes

hearty sierra
#

And let's just ignore that EM4 is a thing

raw herald
#

EM5 though thanthink

brisk trail
#

do demeter casts get stuck in enemies

hearty sierra
#

EM5, though...

hearty sierra
raw herald
hearty sierra
#

The casts that don't get stuck are Dio, Dem and Ares

#

All others do

reef zodiac
#

Favorite cast when you’re not building around it? Mine is either Electric Shot or Flood Shot

#

Flood shot AOE is very nice to have for some aspects

raw herald
#

Phalanx

hearty sierra
#

Anyway, here's wonderwa-

#

nah jk

#

Here's a gif

signal aspen
#

Very nice

raw herald
#

Imagine this with explosive upper and Artemis special

signal aspen
#

Also you know you can just hold down left click for fists attack right? You don't need to spam click

hearty sierra
#

I used dem and arctic blast to count how many times it's hit

celest saddle
#

how long does it usually take to get image perms

signal aspen
hearty sierra
reef zodiac
#

Nobody gets image perms in this channel zote

hearty sierra
celest saddle
#

oh ok

hearty sierra
#

The "files" you see are links to external services that can be rendered directly and thus you don't need to switch to another website

celest saddle
#

i just assumed there were embed perms due to the embed that someone just posted

hearty sierra
#

Oh, there are embed perms

#

Just no image perms

#

It's wonky, I know

celest saddle
#

oh cool

gaunt geyser
#

Greek mythology is so triggering at times

hearty sierra
#

lmao I can't even remember the order of the colour of the eyes

gaunt geyser
#

Hepheateus was conceived because of athena
But zeus only went into labour with athena because of hephaestus

hearty sierra
#

But I think it's the opposite

hearty sierra
gaunt geyser
signal aspen
hearty sierra
#

Alright, I stand corrected

signal aspen
#

Right eye is red

gaunt geyser
hearty sierra
celest saddle
#

did we just discover a new mandella effect

hearty sierra
#

Oh wait it's right

gaunt geyser
#

Sooo who came first hephaestus or athena?

hearty sierra
#

wait WHAT

#

No way

#

whatttttt

#

Okay, I'm ignoring Hesiod

#

Homer it is

void vigil
#

if you want to discuss greek mythology that isnt related to hades, please use the #off-topic-discussion channel

hearty sierra
#

aw, okay then

gaunt geyser
#

Yea ill finish this real quick and just say that is only according to hesoid, homer believes zeus could of just been hepheateus dad all along

brisk trail
#

how to employ house contractor?

gaunt geyser
#

He turns up at some point

#

Pretty early on

#

Just play through the game and he is their.

brisk trail
#

ohh i meant like

#

to renovate the lounge

fathom moth
#

amogus

short glen
#

I don't think Amogus is how you do that

#

It'd be a pretty funny meme comic though

steep scarab
#

Just got epic hypersonic Pom blossom affected by Poseidon + Aphrodite duo?

#

That was merged with a texted I never sent from last time

#

Is the Pom blossom*

steady geyser
#

How does Aspect of Demeter work exactly? You punch 12 times and then get one double-uppercut, and then have to do another 12 punches for another double-upper?

cunning cradle
#

if you put all the titan blood you get 5 uppercuts

lone kernel
cunning cradle
#

but basically yes

steady geyser
#

Ok thanks

lone kernel
#

so at max level, a charged cutter is basically a backwards Hestia lol

vital wave
#

What counts as "distant foes"? There should be some description for it I think

brisk trail
#

Oh god extreme measures Theseus and Asterius

#

I didn't expect that at all

mint coral
#

Em3 is always fun dusa

cunning cradle
#

yup

#

asterius deals stupid damage

brisk trail
#

That spin move evaporated my health bar

brisk trail
#

damnn

#

just tried a demeter cast build

#

was kinda no where near as good as hunting blades

stoic flame
#

i think the range of it makes up

#

you can safely cast anywhere

#

hunting blades is kinda of slow

#

hella damage tho

reef zodiac
#

Uhh I just did 8.5K damage (aka half of Hades’s health bar aka the enough to bring his shield up from full health in phase 2) with two specials with Chiron dusa

#

TWO

brisk trail
#

awesome

#

was special thingy were u using?

#

dio?

reef zodiac
#

What boon?

brisk trail
#

yeah

reef zodiac
#

Obviously Artemis

#

Artemis is cracked on Chiron

#

especially with heart rend

#

That damage output was so absurd

#

Idk if I’ve ever seen that before in my life

signal aspen
reef zodiac
#

I literally got the most busted Chiron build I’ve ever had

#

All I was missing was like an epic Chaos boon or two

#

But I had a common one

#

And an common backstab boon from Chaos

signal aspen
#

found a food room

hollow wave
reef zodiac
#

Food room pog

lone kernel
#

Mod? Or can that happen

reef zodiac
#

The only time I’ve ever seen a food room is fresh file

signal aspen
#

yeah its a thing that can happen in fresh file

reef zodiac
signal aspen
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you cant nectar from room rewards in fresh file so the game replaces it with some food

reef zodiac
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You also can’t get gemstones

stoic flame
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food room 🗿

lone kernel
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Neat

hollow wave
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Yall

Any tips for using Guan Yu?

lone kernel
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Charged skewer gud

modern garnet
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dont get hit lmao

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Uh but besides that, consider what you learned from bow

hollow wave
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I don't use bow often

modern garnet
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Don't use the attack you have to charge if it means you'll get hit

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It's the same idea

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Eventually you'll develop an idea of when/where it's safe to stand still and charge an attack

hollow wave
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Im lucky Shield and Guan Yu don't have a specific timing to do more damage

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Hate that about the bow

modern garnet
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Spin hammers can make your spin a lot more reliable

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But the guan yu secret is that the special deals way more damage than normal spear

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So you can totally ignore the spin and build special if you get the right hammers

brisk trail
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I've lost lwhat feels like 10 runs in a row

hollow wave
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Ngl

Had no idea Guan Yu was a real person until I unlocked the aspect

brisk trail
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I'm trying to do em4 and 16 heat atm and I keep failing

quiet lily
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I guess Muck now believes me when I shared my food room screenshot

last veldt
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I saw a food room twice. Once as an exit from Erebus and once normally in Asphodel.

signal aspen
stoic flame
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muck been mad lurking

last veldt
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If I had known it was noteworthy I'd have taken a screenshot.

stoic flame
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e r e b u s ?

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i thought you only get them fresh file

last veldt
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I think I rolled the Erebus gate from a different boon I didn't want.

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Definitely coming out of Erebus.

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Both happened after I'd hit the epilogue.

hushed belfry
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I’ve been to Erebus a total of once and it was when I fought Charon

last veldt
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And not that long apart (10-15 runs)