than’s is very good tho
#h1-discussion
dim flower
jade zenith
well if you don't have a companion then it is definitely better than nothing
dim flower
yeah
merry bane
people dont seem to like it when i pick up cursed slash with arthur. can someone explain?
dim flower
i’m unsure, i don’t typically use it. it may be due to the slow swing speed of the aspect
so its not quite worth it
heady cypress
It took me 48 seconds to get the last nectar for skelly in the run lol
merry bane
oh well
dim flower
whereas with nemesis or zagreus you can go really fast and it balances out
merry bane
i already picked it up
merry bane
i love arthur, and i love cursed slash, why not both lmao
dim flower
its like peanut butter and chocolate. some people just dont like it
merry bane
that's disgusting
dim flower
lmao
heady cypress
Uh
Why can I give ambrosia/Ambrosium (idk the name) to charon
Didn't give him nectar
Not enough to fill all hearts at least
dim flower
i..dont know
dim flower
jokey spoiler ||he never will||
merry bane
idk, just wait till he does
heady cypress
Crying seems like the better option
dim flower
who is your guys’ favorite olympian god in terms of personality
i like poseidon a lot
heady cypress
I like all of them
merry bane
hermes
dim flower
you’ll..GROW on her
heady cypress
My fav would probably be artemis so far
dim flower
yea she’s cool too
heady cypress
Why is skelly asking me to do this..
dim flower
do what
dim flower
do it.
dim flower
maybe he wants to be done
dim flower
give it a try anyways
heady cypress
I cant
dim flower
ah
heady cypress
I don't have enough titanblood to get zags stygius maxed
dim flower
give it time then
heady cypress
Didn't even unlock every version yet
signal aspen
people dont seem to like it when i pick up cursed slash with arthur. can someone...
The attack of Arthur is slow so 2 hp per swing becomes really bad
brisk trail
I burned Hades down so fast my last run I was like how did I fail to him ever
gentle mason
I don't have enough titanblood to get zags stygius maxed
Time get more blood then. (Reminder that maxing out a Zag aspect only takes 5 blood total versus the 15 or 16 required to max out non-Zag aspects)
dim flower
correct
brisk trail
I have now completed 7 clearings
reef zodiac
people dont seem to like it when i pick up cursed slash with arthur. can someone...
Yeah, exactly what Muck said. The low attack speed makes Cursed Slash even worse than it usually is. I’d say that on Arthur, Cursed Slash is literally gonna make your run almost twice as hard.
dim flower
congrats yo
brisk trail
The lightning reflexes plus Hermes extra dodge chance was hilarious
dim flower
ooh yeah that’s really good
spice flame
I unlocked 16 heat skelly... "reward"... ehh, skelly, skelly..you sly fox.
modern garnet
Wait till you get the 32 heat one :)
spice flame
Another... statue of Skelly... I guees..i think so...
raw herald
Just need a statue for 64 heat now
dim flower
to scale with the game’s statues
reef zodiac
Hot take: Kiss of Styx Premium and Touch of Styx Dark are too strong. A lot of my high heat runs literally are won or lost depending on if I get ToSD or not (and if I get a 2-sack to allow me to bring it to the Hades fight).
It effectively more than doubles my HP for 15 chambers
raw herald
I don't think it's a hot take, but I don't know the best solution
It came up when people were discussing a modded high heat leaderboard that could potentially guarantee patty in runs
reef zodiac
Yeah it’s probably not a hot take, I just hadn’t heard anyone say it before
If I enter Hades fight with 200 HP (60 Hp because of SD), then I effectively have 120 health.
If I have that same scenario but with ToSD, then I instead have effectively 320 health
jade zenith
well kiss of styx premium isn't anywhere near as good as touch of styx dark
reef zodiac
Maybe, but that’s also partly because nobody uses DDs for high heat runs
And it’s hard to judge how strong something is if it’s unviable for high heat runs
jade zenith
if you were already down 2 or 3 DDs going into the heroes fight, you are probably going to lose to either the heroes or hades
raw herald
More often than not I lose more DDs to lernie than heroes ngl
lone kernel
“Patty or im screwed” happens a lot
raw herald
I saw patty in c34 in my 50 heat Beowulf run, it saved the whole run since I had 6HP left and only 2s left before the timer killed me
lone kernel
big oof. You make it?
merry bane
do yarn of ariadne, god's legacy, and the eurydice drink stack?
mainly the drink and yarn
reef zodiac
I believe so, yes
You can’t get a heroic boon offered though, unless it’s a in exchange for an epic core boon
merry bane
ok
so, if this works, three epic boons, one choice
sadly no rerolls, so hermes might f me over
reef zodiac
Crystal Beam, Mirage Shot, Crystal Clarity, Glacial Glare, Arctic Blast. Think about it
That’s an old picture but I think it’s really funny
mint coral
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/883504268399747102/i...
that many lasers would look fun with cold embrace
reef zodiac
Maybe it would look fun but it would be a waste of potential
rapid forum
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/883504268399747102/i...
this goes to show Hades is a tower defense game
it just so happen instead of defending one point
you go diff points
and defend yourself
brisk trail
What weapons did you all first clear with? I’ve got closest with rail gun
mint coral
Aspect of talos, fists
formal drift
Hera Bow
mint coral
Cast aspects are great
reef zodiac
Aspect of talos, fists
Ayy I was obsessed with Talos when I was new as well!
I really can’t understand why lmao
mint coral
Pulling enemies is fun 
merry bane
first infernal gate hitless
lone kernel
first infernal gate hitless
merry bane
chrome wharf
What weapons did you all first clear with? I’ve got closest with rail gun
Nemesis sword, of all things.
ripe otter
Third run ever on my switch save file and I’m already at Elysium. Let’s go
ripe otter
What weapons did you all first clear with? I’ve got closest with rail gun
The funny shield
dim flower
mine was shield as well
stuck sentinel
also cleared with chaos shield
untold garnet
the gun is hella fun to mess around with
got me my first escape and im currently on a 4x streak with it
😳
normal sonnet
I think my first clear was with the shield as well. Just block everything wheeee
ripe otter
I think my first clear was with the shield as well. Just block everything wheeee
Bro, I beat hades solely because I blocked the lasers with the funny shield
normal sonnet
Haha yes!
dim flower
just block everything its so simple
normal sonnet
Having less luck on hell mode though, jeez that gimped health recovery is pain
ripe otter
I have a Xbox file with a lot of stuff done, but I’m doing a switch file now and this will be dubbed the “dating simhellator”
normal sonnet
LOL
I play it on the mouse/kb myself. Tried it on the switch but it was like "oh god I have to relearn everything on a controller"
short glen
mouse keyboard master race
twin thistle
well i just found out what the tiny vermin is 
ripe otter
Decided to run spear for my fourth, and I got deflect on attack, meaning OPERATION: NO NO CIRCLE IS A GO!
mint coral
well i just found out what the tiny vermin is <:ron:459075377906712586>
Tiny rat op
blazing canopy
Does Eurydice not appear after releasing Orpheus
Or have I just been getting terrible luck
mint coral
Terrible luck
blazing canopy
Oof
mint coral
Got mirage shot last chamber befofe dad, time to release chaos
polar marsh
I got orpheus to sing again but that achievement on xbox took awhile to pop up thou
mint coral
Picked aphro all was epic but no passion flare, re rolled into common passion flare
Im cursed to not get rare-epic casts (at least pom scaling is great)
umbral whale
Gods, Good Riddance is so good
umbral whale
I got orpheus to sing again but that achievement on xbox took awhile to pop up t...
Yeah its the same on ps4 some of them take a bit to register
reef zodiac
Flurry Jab + Lightning Strike is obviously amazing but….
Charged explosive launcher with 30% special speed? (+25% more special speed from Zag spear)
I actually do not know which one to take rn
Is Charged Skewer here as good as I think it is?
Or is this just an easy flurry jab
dim flower
yoooo my total darkness is at 50,666
mint coral
Ruthless reflex with zag bow is quite fun
reef zodiac
Ok wow flurry jab is way better than I remembered
I knew it was really good but this is ridiculous
reef zodiac
I think flurry
Good call, flurry jab is doing absolute work rn (also it’s charging my call way faster which is also very nice)
mint coral
Rip, picked hyper sprint but forgot my first hermes was flurry cast
Gonna hope for styx hermes
reef zodiac
You can also sell flurry cast and hope for another Hermes in Elysium, assuming you’re in Asphodel rn
reef zodiac
Yeah it does. And it’s a very good strategy actually
mint coral
Point blank twin, solid hammers
reef zodiac
Good call, flurry jab is doing absolute work rn (also it’s charging my call way ...
Nvm died to Champions 
rapid forum
What weapons did you all first clear with? I’ve got closest with rail gun
a bit late but nemesis with heart rend
dusky wedge
Talos with Merciful End
umbral whale
What weapons did you all first clear with? I’ve got closest with rail gun
24th run total
And it was with the Adamant Rail, Aspect of Zagreus maxed out
blazing canopy
Shield but that was luck
Spear would be my first legit one, probably aspect of Achilles but could be zag
reef zodiac
5 dashes + Divine dash on fists is actually really really good. I don’t like fists because they’re just so unsafe, but with this they feel insanely safe. I just beat Champions with Acorn and still had a charge left at the end of the fight.
Although I also have Smoldering Air and epic Athena call, so that helps a lot too
I know my DPS would be absurd with Tidal instead of Divine dash, but the incredible safety that Divine Dash gives me is definitely worth more
Woah. Oh my god I just beat Hades with 3 acorn charges left. With FO1. WITH FISTS.
32 heat Zag fists down, 7 more aspects to go
normal sonnet
Hmm Lightning Rod (Zeus/Artemis), can't tell if terrible or awesome. Think I should take Exit Wounds anyway
I'm assuming by Collectable it means while they're sitting on the ground unclaimed
dusky wedge
It feels bad because it’s counterintuitive with how normal cast builds wants to play, and also how you can’t really aim where you want to put those bloodstones
It’s pretty nice in small rooms like Styx, not that nice everywhere else
normal sonnet
Yeah I get you
Jeez they really buffed the bow's attack eh? I've never been this confident building around the attack before. Before I'd just hope for good Special hammers and boons
high island
Lightning Rod is at worst a way better Exit Wounds.
normal sonnet
It does seem like it would be more overall damage, right?
As long as you can keep the enemy hanging around them
reef zodiac
Jeez they really buffed the bow's attack eh? I've never been this confident buil...
Bow attack was buffed? Wym?
Lightning Rod is a nice 400+ gold
high island
In 1.0, they buffed bow a lot.
reef zodiac
How long ago was that?
high island
About a year now.
normal sonnet
Yeah that sounds about right
reef zodiac
Why is Zag shield special so incredibly bad? I can’t understand why it needs to do 15 damage
high island
Don't purge Lightning Rod, the DPS is actually really good.
reef zodiac
Don't purge Lightning Rod, the DPS is actually really good.
Well I use UC and CF2 so it’s usually my best option to sell
high island
Enemies rarely live long enough that your bloodstones even leave them while they're still alive, at least if your build has decent DPS, so Exit Wounds only really does anything on bosses most of the time.
Lightning Rod always damages surrounding enemies when your bloodstones drop.
reef zodiac
Exit Wounds is alright with Poseidon sword though
But seriously Zag shield feels really awful to play partly because the special is borderline useless
Like 15 damage? That’s so unjustifiably terrible
high island
Well, don't use the Special.
reef zodiac
I mean sure, I don’t
high island
Use the Attack and Dash-Attacks.
reef zodiac
Shouldn’t I be using a ton of bull rush? This might be wrong but I’ve gotten used to the combo of bullrush-dashstrike-bullrush-dashstrike
normal sonnet
I do love the special on the fidget spinner aspect
high island
Zag Shield doesn't buff your Bull Rush, though.
reef zodiac
OHH that’s why it felt so bad! Lmao
That’s stupid
Zag shield is so uninteresting and also so weak. I really dislike it
high island
I think Amir would say something like "What do you expect for 5 Titan Blood?"
It's pretty strong.
Shield is shield.
reef zodiac
I mean Zag bow is actually really good
Well, at least compared to the other Zag aspects
And Zag fists are also pretty interesting
Zag rail is busted specifically with Spread Fire
high island
I like Zag Shield.
reef zodiac
Really? What builds do you go for?
high island
Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.
reef zodiac
I literally went for that on my last run
high island
But mainly 
.
reef zodiac
Didn’t work out unfortunately
dusky wedge
It’s 40 damage on attack at full upgrade
high island
That's not the build's fault. 
reef zodiac
Didn’t find Smoldering Air before I died
dusky wedge
Sounds nice, 40 sounds big enough
reef zodiac
That's not the build's fault. <:zfiestPlot:858484676218060811>
Very true
Still, the DPS was really terrible without Smoldering Air
high island
Bull Rush DPS be like that.
reef zodiac
That’s also true
dusky wedge
Funny, the wiki doesn’t give the dash strike damage for shield 
reef zodiac
If I was playing the aspect better my DPS may have been less painful
reef zodiac
I’m gonna come back to Zag shield later because I don’t like it. Time to try for 32 heat Poseidon sword
I should do Phalanx Shot and look for Lightning Phalanx right?
high island
"Should"?
reef zodiac
Well I mean
Like what’s the best build for it
I’d enjoy whatever but I’ve previously had trouble with Poseidon sword at 32 heat so I’d rather go with the community-decided most powerful build for the aspect
high island
Speedrun builds are often not the easiest for high heat.
All the Cast builds are very strong.
raw herald
I'd probably just do ME for Poseidon sword
reef zodiac
Lol
high island
See, I'd do Crush Shot.
With Snow Burst and Smoldering Air.
Or just get Divine Dash and DDs.
reef zodiac
Just lost the extra DD that Athena gave me because of Blue Lernie head
I hate Blue Lernie head
reef zodiac
Literally 5x harder than normal lernie
hollow hawk
though pink heads can be fine if you have deflect
reef zodiac
Every other Lernie head is easy and then Blue is incredibly difficult
I’d argue that EM2 Blue Lernie is almost as hard as EM3 Champions
Feels way too hard
If they really just had to make the slam create so many hitboxes, the least they could have done is made them do a little bit less damage
Or make them a little bit less fast
Because as it stands rn, Blue Lernie head is just another unnecessary RNG thing that can kill my run
My winrate for Blue Lernie head is probably 2x lower than my winrate for EM3 Champions actually
It kills more than half of my 32 heat runs that get the blue head
hollow hawk
I’d argue that EM2 Blue Lernie is almost as hard as EM3 Champions
eehh
bold claim
blue main lernie head, you can just step aside when it stomps
em3 heroes, you step aside the missile hits you for 50
reef zodiac
blue main lernie head, you can just step aside when it stomps
No you can’t? It creates like 15 red circles that all explode for like 20 damage each
hollow hawk
the things that drop when he's stomping arent too hard to iframe, or atleast dodge
reef zodiac
Yes they are because they overlap and all explode at different times
hollow hawk
idk i dont find blue main lernie head that difficult
reef zodiac
And they’re super hard to see exactly where they are because the ground is also red
hollow hawk
oh yeah thats true
reef zodiac
It’s total BS
Blue Lernie head is way way too hard compared to the other heads
My win % against other Lernie heads (32 heat): 90-95%.
My win % against Blue Lernie head (32 heat): 40-50%
hollow hawk
also varies heavily with aspect
ranged aspects destroy every lernie head
while melee weps like sword that literally cant damage it while its stomping, struggle
raw herald
Yeah if you're not focussing on clear times, aspects like Hestia destroy Lernie no matter what
reef zodiac
ranged aspects destroy every lernie head
Even with a ranged aspect, the blue head is super hard
Or at least it is with Rama
reef zodiac
Idk but my point is that either Blue Lernie needs to beat much easier or every other Lernie head needs to be harder. Because rn, Blue Lernie feels like every 5th run or so, I get bad RNG and the game gets rid of the easy boss and replaces it with a very hard one instead
Which, imo, is super bs and not fun
hollow hawk
I dont agree. The blue head is fine with some aspects and hard with some, you just happen to be playing the one on which it is hard. Aspects should have their strength and weaknesses.
reef zodiac
Nah, I’ve been doing a lot of 32 heat runs with a lot of different aspects
And Blue Head is almost always really really bad
hollow hawk
also, the head only gets annoying in the last phase, you can just meg it in that phase if you feel like you struggle there a lot
reef zodiac
also, the head only gets annoying in the last phase, you can just meg it in that...
Also disagree. In fact, the worst part is between phase 2 and 3, when it summons 6 heads. Here, it will do the slam while the other 6 heads also attack which leads to like 50 hitboxes and it’s just way too much to ever dodge
There are very few aspects where I’d say that the blue head isn’t really bad
hollow hawk
🤷♂️
i just stand right outside its stomp hitbox and then keep dashing around to avoid the little red hitboxes
reef zodiac
And it’s not that I have a problem with difficulty. It’s just when that difficulty usually doesn’t exist but occasionally just shows up due to bad RNG
high island
If you want to complain about a Lernie head, let's unlock the spawn limit for the Summoner Lernie again. 
hollow hawk
whats that
oh wait
oh god
i think i just understood what you mean
that sounds awful god
green lernie head just spawning infinite armoured bloodless
reef zodiac
I never had an issue with EM3 champions even though that’s where a majority of my runs die. But things like EM3 FO2 Asterius used to piss me off because there was a 50% chance that I’d get something super easy instead (now I’m really good at that fight so it bothers me a lot less, but it’s still kinda an issue, although it’s not close to how much I hate Blue Lernie)
hollow hawk
im the opposite, i suck at em3 heroes
partly because i never practice them outside of the occasional 50 heat run that gets to them
high island
Learning that Lernie fight can take longer simply because you run into it less often. Make a practice save next time you're there.
reef zodiac
Wym practice save
hollow hawk
yeah hades save manager is great for that, you can also just backup your profileX_temp.sav from documents/saved games/hades, but thats a bit tedious
reef zodiac
I play on Switch
hollow hawk
i guess you could try to do the fight hitless and then quit and redo
reef zodiac
Lmao if I could do the fight hitless then I wouldn’t be pissed off about the fight
reef zodiac
I’ve literally never done it hitless in my life
high island
It can be frustrating to play against.
hollow hawk
neither have i lol
reef zodiac
It can be frustrating to play against.
It’s mainly frustrating because most of the time I get a super easy boss instead
reef zodiac
So even if I died to blue lernie in a fair way, it still feels like I really died just because I got bad RNG in even getting the blue head in the first place
You make a good point
high island
I try to make sure I have 65+ HP going into the fight just to be able to tank three head slams with the first life.
At HL5.
reef zodiac
But like how do I do that? Just by playing well in Asphodel? Because I already do my best
high island
I suppose so. Just make sure you get enough Centaur Hearts, too.
reef zodiac
I already prioritize those, yeah
high island
Don't skip out on Centaur Hearts from Erebus.
reef zodiac
I mean yeah there isn’t really much I can do except “git gud”. Or really, git gud… Lernie head RNG so that I don’t have to even fight this stupid boss
solid folio
ummm... hi im new and i play thiss game a lot and i realized that hades needs a new weapon
high island
If you can get to 215 max HP before Lernie, your SD will revive to 65 HP. So try to shoot for that, I suppose.
reef zodiac
I always shoot for high HP anyway. I need it for the fights that are guaranteed to be hard
But yeah, I will
hollow hawk
@solid folio what weapon?
high island
Also Weak is good.
solid folio
<@!772519056242507827> what weapon?
HMmm it depends on what the players are trying to go for
reef zodiac
Also Weak is good.
Very true
hollow hawk
well the game is pretty finished, i doubt any new weapons are gonna get added
solid folio
true
hollow hawk
there are mods for other weapons i think
high island
And don't try to dash out of the falling rocks, running is usually better. Dash often just lands you right under another falling rock.
The head slams are predictable, so that shouldn't be too bad. Just stay far away from the main head.
reef zodiac
And don't try to dash out of the falling rocks, running is usually better. Dash ...
But… Forced Overtime. They hit so quickly
solid folio
but if the people want a new weapon hades should just do a dlc or a season pass or a expansion pass for more of the story
reef zodiac
Also they’re really hard to see since it’s red on red
hollow hawk
the story as it is, rounds up pretty well
the floor is brown-ish, the lava is red. you shouldnt be worrying about the ones on lava anyway
reef zodiac
but if the people want a new weapon hades should just do a dlc or a season pass ...
I’m pretty sure they’re done with the game, other than maybe some balancing changes or bug fixes
high island
I don't have a problem seeing the circles, can't help you with that. There's a colorblind mod on PC, but that doesn't help you on Switch, I guess.
solid folio
then they need to fix the shield
solid folio
my brother hit for a one damage
hollow hawk
..yeah?
you can do that with every weapon
if the enemy has 1 health
you'll hit for 1 dmg
raw herald
With armor yeah
solid folio
on a boss
hollow hawk
thats not something on the shield itself
solid folio
i think it was the hydra
raw herald
If a boss has 1hp left in a phase, you can't do more than 1 damage to it
hollow hawk
the damage numbers (apart from crit chance) arent rng, they'll always be the same
also hydra small heads have armour
if they have 1 hp left on their armour
solid folio
i think it honestly bugged out then
hollow hawk
you'll hit them for 1 hp
solid folio
ik that
reef zodiac
i think it honestly bugged out then
I don’t think that’s a bug that exists
solid folio
but he hit that mid boss fight
high island
@reef zodiac prioritize Greatest Reflex, Hyper Sprint, Second Wind, Greater Evasion, and Greater Haste from Lord Hermes.
reef zodiac
I do that
hollow hawk
but he hit that mid boss fight
yeah if the boss needs 1 dmg to phase, it'll cap you out at 1 dmg
high island
Then the boss was 1 HP away from the next phase.
hollow hawk
its not a known bug
high island
It's not a bug, it's by design.
untold oak
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normal sonnet
phew! first time to get past Hades with an Attack build around the bow, 7 pact skulls, was down to the wire @_@
hollow hawk
oh yeah i meant that its not a bug
solid folio
mid boos means half heath and u need to get hydra from 25% then 75% for the sheild
hollow hawk
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try to go for higher heats
or try to go for faster times
untold oak
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solid folio
he hit that mid bar fight
hollow hawk
or wackier builds
normal sonnet
I was doing so well until Elysium boss fight, for some reason I just couldn't avoid damage, lost so many extra lives
Thank you Skelly for saving me against dad
normal sonnet
3 hours behind ya
high island
Aphrodite's Aid hits for 1 damage when you use a lesser call for the Charm. If it wasn't that and if the boss didn't phase after 1 damage or one of the other heads had 1 HP of armor remaining, you were mistaken about the 1 damage.
Well.
Curse of Longing can also go down to 1 damage.
normal sonnet
nah friday night and I had a nice long nap after work >:)
solid folio
luckyyyyyyyyyyy I only got to have a 1 hour long nap
reef zodiac
Poseidon sword 32 heat! I’m rapidly approaching my goal of beating 32 heat with every aspect. Only 6 more aspects stand in my way
Talos, Gilgamesh, Hades, Zag sword, Zag spear, Zag shield
Time for sleep. Hopeful tomorrow I can get that number down to 5 or even 4
Btw, is it possible to get flurry jab on Hades spear? I’d assume it’s probably not, but I’m just checking
I’ll probably go for ME on Zag sword, Gilgamesh, and maybe Talos
high island
Remember that 32 heat discussion is better suited to #h1-high-heat-strategies. 
reef zodiac
Ah, good point
high island
Can't get Flurry Jab on Hades Aspect.
reef zodiac
Hades spear and Zag sword are the worst aspects in the game
Zag spear also sucks but at least it can get flurry jab
high island
rapid forum
Hades spear and Zag sword are the worst aspects in the game
nah, gil takes the cake. +150% on Hades is still useful. Zag sword makes you fast... unlike gil
craggy pumice
So hades has an update on switch, I haven’t installed it yet . What does it do?
I didn’t find anything online
dusky wedge
Zag sword works with RD, if that helps lol
void vigil
So hades has an update on switch, I haven’t installed it yet . What does it do?
Probably just bug fixes
craggy pumice
Ty
Also atm I have a Zeus shield hyper sprint + rush delivery
If I throw my shield out and just start dashing, will my shield so bonus damage whenever I have the bonus speed?
raw herald
Yes
craggy pumice
Just sucks that so often when I run Zeus shield I never get Zeus
I’m In elysium and the only time I got Zeus was the guaranteed one
This happens so often
grave flame
He's jelly, because you're using his shield.
reef zodiac
nah, gil takes the cake. +150% on Hades is still useful. Zag sword makes you fas...
Yeah that’s fair actually. I forgot about Gilgamesh
Gilgamesh is just so forgettable
grave flame
How is that worse than Guan Yu, though? 😄
reef zodiac
Guan Yu has pretty decent damage output with Charged Skewer
…as long as you don’t get hit like 3 times and die lmao
My 32 heat Guan Yu run was literally saved by Greater Evasion like so many times
dusky wedge
“Hades: Ugh, tell no one at the house, you hear me?”
What, tell no one at the house you lost to the beyblades of doom? Lol
rapid forum
Zag: "I can tell mom, right?"
zenith totem
oh okay
brisk trail
I completed Ares prophecy but his heart just won't unlock, I've spoken to him 4 times or so now. Am I missing something?
hollow vault
how do you unlock hermes' final affinity? I talked to him with a level 3 lambent plume but nothing happened...
mint coral
Do it again, sometimes he just doesnt do it
hollow vault
cool
heady cypress
Is Charon a companion
granite ether
Unfortunately, no
granite ether
Because Charon be awesome 
I'm absolutely not biased, not at all
granite ether
The characters that give you companions are ||Meg, Than, Dusa, Patty and Achilles, Skelly and Sisyphus||
heady cypress
Btw are there any Conditions to steal Charons money?
heady cypress
The characters that give you companions are ||Meg, Than, Dusa, Patty and Achille...
Tryna get skelly atm
granite ether
Mid biome shop, ~20% chance, need to have defeated hades once
heady cypress
Thanks
granite ether
No worries 
heady cypress
I'll just do a 0 heat try and yeet through the areas so I can practice him a bit
heady cypress
Try not to do it in Tartarus though
Why
hearty sierra
Difficulty concerns
granite ether
Charon hits like a truck
heady cypress
Learning him under terrible circumstances will make me beat him up faster
hearty sierra
You don't have enough boons to kill him reliably (unless you bring a weapon with a good base attack and Shackle)
heady cypress
Charon hits like a truck
Ik died like 3 times now
heady cypress
Ill just go whenever I have ths opportunity to do so
Just to hear that beautiful music
hearty sierra
Yea his rowing arm is hella buff
hearty sierra
Ill just go whenever I have ths opportunity to do so
If you're solely aiming for him, then again, bring a weapon with a good base (I recommend zag bow) and Shackle
Crit is goooooood
heady cypress
If you're solely aiming for him, then again, bring a weapon with a good base (I ...
I can't play with the bow
My worst weapon
In terms of skill
heady cypress
What's shackle btw
hearty sierra
Sisyphus' keepsake
Adds damage to your cast/attack/special if you don't have a boon on it
heady cypress
That's the thing which increases ur dmg if you're not buffed right
hearty sierra
Correct!
granite ether
Specifically if you don't have a boon in those slots
hearty sierra
Nemesis is pretty good, too, I think?
hearty sierra
Most things that crit are good with Shackle
granite ether
So you can still buff them using chaos boons and still retain the buff for example
hearty sierra
Does Chaos count as a Boon?
Nope
violet cradle
So I've completed Ares's task, but I still haven't unlocked the final heart. Do I just have to keep talking to him until it unlocks?
hearty sierra
So I've completed Ares's task, but I still haven't unlocked the final heart. Do ...
Yep
wise oasis
That's the thing which increases ur dmg if you're not buffed right
Boons for shackle only count if they take up the icon on the left
granite ether
Boons for shackle only count if they take up the icon on the left
Bassically this yeah
heady cypress
Is skellys task to do "it"?
granite ether
Kill him with max zag aspect sword? Yes
hearty sierra
Skelly's task is to fully upgrade Zag sword and kill him with it
heady cypress
I don't want to
hearty sierra
Then you don't have to
heady cypress
And the companion?
hearty sierra
But if you want the companion you need to, yeah
heady cypress
Alr he's dead
hearty sierra
But hey skelly's companion is rather useless anyway (no shade)
granite ether
He'll be gone forever ||He'll be fine trust me||
mint coral
But hey skelly's companion is rather useless anyway (no shade)
Savior of erebus gates, at least
hearty sierra
Imagine using a companion on Erebus gates instead of boss fights
granite ether
Can also be useful against the Lernie heads 2nd phase
hearty sierra
Actually, yeah
heady cypress
Can he tank daddy's skulls so they dont hit the ground and become the wave things?
hearty sierra
Can he tank daddy's skulls so they dont hit the ground and become the wave thing...
I think so, yes
heady cypress
Ain't he really good then?
wise oasis
you can damage him while he's there
hearty sierra
I mean, you could just kill the casts
heady cypress
But that's annoying
wise oasis
then just dodge ez
hearty sierra
Lots of things are annoying in this game
heady cypress
And I sometimes don't manage to kill them in time
heady cypress
then just dodge ez
Don't remind me of that
hearty sierra
Yeah, true, just dodge through the wave
You'll have to learn it anyway for when you get MM for the heat
And EM3
heady cypress
Don't remind me of that
Was dashing away for some reason and got hit by the same wave three times.. Ended 2 runs so far
heady cypress
You'll have to learn it anyway for when you get MM for the heat
I'm already playing with mm
mint coral
I lost a DD to the skull crasher wave for the same reason lmao
hearty sierra
I lost a DD to the skull crasher wave for the same reason lmao
Exactly my point
mint coral
Dashed to dodge the wave and run right into it
heady cypress
I already ran out of dds
wise oasis
I lose a SD to the wave a lot on high heat, stupid thing wont stay on the ground long enough for me 
mint coral
At least you dont end a 40 heat run chamber 2 into aspho by fishing
mint coral
Mashing to pick the reward, zag decides to fish while standing in lava
heady cypress
Oof
mint coral
Animation doesnt end fast enough and back to the house
brisk trail
skullcrusher wave is wierdly large
wise oasis
Ive reached a point where I just meg it, almost lost too many runs to it
brisk trail
i always meg it
mint coral
I run into barge way too often to meg it
violet cradle
Is it possible to get duo boons from rerolling with persuasion?
heady cypress
Is it possible to get duo boons from rerolling with persuasion?
Idk for sure but i think so
brisk trail
meg does dmg in a line
dim flower
yes but its rare
vapid narwhal
Is it possible to get duo boons from rerolling with persuasion?
yes
violet cradle
In trial of the gods chambers, does the god you don't pick first give better boons after you clear the fight, or is it totally random?
merry bane
just beat magaera hitless
dim flower
In trial of the gods chambers, does the god you don't pick first give better boo...
i’m not sure actually i’ve never really paid attention to that
astral panther
Is there a way to increase the odds of NPC Chambers?
I finished Sisyphus's prophecy and need to start Patroclus/Achilles but have gone like 10 runs without seeing them
signal aspen
no
severe pelican
how much time does meg companion shave off runs?
versed vessel
it does a lot of damage in big area
so quite a bit
notable are like skip Hydra last head i guess
fathom moth
does megs companion auto target the enemies?
because every time i use it it seems to miss
also can it hit multiple times?
lone kernel
does megs companion auto target the enemies?
It auto targets one enemy. The rest kinda just goes where it may
fathom moth
ok
lone kernel
It can hit each enemy one time but theoretically can whack 20 dudes in one shot
fathom moth
so if an enemy were to run across into multiple of her shots theyd take damage only once?
dim flower
odd review but i respect your opinion
void vigil
the games narrative is kind of entwined with the gameplay, though if youre not interested in the story you could technically beat it without speaking to most of the characters, even if you would miss a lot of what the game has to offer. you could also simply skip the dialogue. unless you mean something else?
huh?
well the game is based off of greek mythology but the writing is all supergiant
brisk trail
haha true greek mythology is twisted
severe pelican
what narratives are being pushed?
dim flower
what is your point
void vigil
im kind of curious what ideas and narratives you think this "separate department" is pushing
severe pelican
im sure we could all guess
brisk trail
its not what you guys think truly
dim flower
there is no separate department, supergiant is an indie dev
void vigil
yeah to be clear, there isnt one
dim flower
the entire game us based around greek myths, but naturally things are going to be different to fit the story
severe pelican
i count less than 20 people? on the supergiant team
which btw omg these people are so talented
brisk trail
im sure there are various departments, like marketing, story writing and dialogues, graphics, coding, etc
severe pelican
some people may dislike it sure, but i dont think they advertise it as being completely true to mythology
dim flower
yeah
severe pelican
which would be difficult to do in the first place, considering various massively conflicting sources
brisk trail
nah im not talking about that
severe pelican
could you explain exactly waht you mean then
dim flower
then please elaborate
severe pelican
its hard to get a grasp on your feelings if you dont explain them at all
dim flower
yea
brave portal
so like, how do i get companions to help me out against hades
because not even thanatos shows up
void vigil
you can check the entire team here: https://www.supergiantgames.com/team/
greg is the only writer
brave portal
so like i need to grow closer or do i have to upgrade the companion with ambrosia
or both
dim flower
the companions who directly serve ||hades|| wont appear in his fight
brisk trail
dont get me wrong, i love the voice acting, graphics and character design and gameplay
brave portal
because i've seen thanatos show up against hades somewhere
severe pelican
ok, better question : could you give an example of something specific being rewritten that you dislike ?
mint coral
Most probably just keep escaping, hades will give the ok to use them at some point
dim flower
yeah bc what do you mean by “impolite”
umbral whale
For the most part, they got a lot of the mythology correct
This video breaks down everything they took straight from mythology and what they took creative license for
And id also like to note that the very being of mythology is creative freedom to tell the stories you want.
severe pelican
again, any specific examples?
raw herald
It's a game
dim flower
go ahead, you’ll be missing out
umbral whale
Youre still not saying why. Its like youre just trying to say stuff to cause discourse
dim flower
probably the case
brave portal
i think it's accurate enough, like gets the bases right
severe pelican
well im sure thats the intention really
umbral whale
I mean thats the only reason i can think of someone with a generic name, walking into an indie devs official discord and saying "i dont like the main writers works"
void vigil
so like, how do i get companions to help me out against hades
https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Companions#Summons_vs_Hades this page details the requirements
umbral whale
Then dont bring it up?
brave portal
then why mention it in the first place
brave portal
<https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Companions#Summons_vs_Hades> this page details th...
rad thanks
dim flower
we’re not trying to change your opinion, we just wanna understand. if you dont like it then dont play it or consume media
severe pelican
it seems strange to criticise a game without wanting to criticise any specific aspect of it
severe pelican
obviously we all love this game, and hey if you dont thats cool. it would just be nice to understand your alternate perspective
brave portal
i swear if it's something like ''it has gay characters'' i'll smack someone
dim flower
let us not forget that the greeks were perfectly fine with same sex couples
brisk trail
i swear if it's something like ''it has gay characters'' i'll smack someone
no thats very childish and immature
umbral whale
Yeah definitely. Sorry to tell ya but greek mythology and the greeks in general were gay af lol
brisk trail
exactly
severe pelican
im sorry to insult you but its childish and immature to not explain yourself after coming to a channel just to criticise a game
brave portal
no thats very childish and immature
what might it be then
dim flower
in any case you won’t explain and we can’t force you to tell us so. have a nice day i suppose
void vigil
hey, lets keep the discussion here without insults and be kind to each other, yeah
umbral whale
Might i add he didnt criticize just hades. He criticized all the games theyve made
What impolite parts?????
severe pelican
again, you havent cited any impolite parts
dim flower
it doesnt matter if you’re communicating your opinion if you don’t elaborate why you dislike it
brave portal
jesse what the hell are you talking about
brisk trail
im sure they get understand(and if not thats also cool)
umbral whale
They arent gonna privately message you to get your opinion on it
dim flower
yeah
brave portal
barges in
calls writing impolite
refuses to elaborate
leaves
severe pelican
it seems that Greg is good friends with amir and gavin so im sure theyre fine with what he writes also
signal aspen
indeed
severe pelican
excellent rap songs
raw herald
Bind those keys
umbral whale
Especially rap songs
Yo what?
void vigil
we mustnt forget to bind those keys
severe pelican
😄
umbral whale
I wanna hear some o.o
umbral whale
Ill heck it before i clock into work
brave portal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVIImXekNL8
this is art
raw herald
Produced by skelly and Zagreus
severe pelican
such as?
brisk trail
he must probably know it
brave portal
but we don't
umbral whale
Yeah i really think the problem youre talking about doesnt exist
A team of 20 most likely talks about evey possible aspect of the game together
Thats why their games take so long. They take their time
Which is why their games are works of art every time
brave portal
they don't rush it and i respect that
brisk trail
yes it exists! A lot of new games are more bold/ idiotic in this regard. Looking forward to the new game you guys make, like i said before with new mythology lore hopefully and hopefully writers and dialogues and player's action are better
umbral whale
There wasnt a single action in the game that went directly against greek mythology
brave portal
but what is the problem
umbral whale
Except for malphon and exagryph
Those were added just for fun
Actually none of the weapons actually existed in mythology
But something similar did for a few
severe pelican
its hard to take you seriously when you intentionally avoid making any point whatsoever
gaunt bane
i heard we were binding those keys.
brave portal
Except for malphon and exagryph
they were tried to be implemented in the context of myths tho
brisk trail
its not about the weapons too
hearty sierra
What discourse today
umbral whale
they were tried to be implemented in the context of myths tho
Yeah thats why it works so well
umbral whale
its not about the weapons too
Then tell us what youre so miffed about
I pride myself on knowing a lot about a lot of mythos
cyan jolt
Oh drama i'm in
umbral whale
So id like to know what youre saying goes against it
quartz hearth
(I'm just sitting over here on the sofa with my cup of tea, grinning as I imagine how delighted Zag would be to know that a random mortal thinks he is impolite. 😂 )
brave portal
it's not even drama, we just trying to understand what he thinks is impolite about the writing
quartz hearth
(His wanton rampaging is terribly uncouth! Hooray!)
cyan jolt
it's not even drama, we just trying to understand what he thinks is impolite abo...
What that's weird
brave portal
but like he isn't giving examples
umbral whale
The only thing slightly impolite is the indication that two characters most likely had sex. Which if you havent read greek myth, theres a TON of sex so its not out of character
hearty sierra
(His wanton rampaging is *terribly* uncouth! Hooray!)
literally his job to destroy the place
quartz hearth
Zag, you have been a very naughty boy! Tsk, tsk! 🙃
umbral whale
Lol Zagreus is just a sassy old god
Of course, havent you heard? His heart was what made dionysus
quartz hearth
Shockingly rude, really. Just dreadful. 💕
cyan jolt
The only thing slightly impolite is the indication that two characters most like...
I love how he can just date 2 people at once and they don't mind
umbral whale
I still cant believe orpheus made a song about thst xD
Polyamory is also common in greek culture
hearty sierra
I do like that he basically doesn't give any attention to mortals canonically
umbral whale
Well not common but not demonized
forest falcon
Who's zagreus in the actual myths ? Still hades' son? Because i haven't heard of him at all
umbral whale
Yeah its kinda fuzzy
hearty sierra
(canon refeering to the game, of course)
brave portal
i mean, Aquiles said they're gods so they should only follow their hearts
hearty sierra
Who's zagreus in the actual myths ? Still hades' son? Because i haven't heard o...
ooooh boy
This is a LOOOONG topic
cyan jolt
This is a LOOOONG topic
I'm in for it
umbral whale
Zagreus in the myths is either Zeus and Persephones kid or hes like he is in the game and that is a little less creepy
Hes also hinted at in mythology to be another god of the hunt as well as the god of life and blood but the latter is more the game, but it fits really well with mythology
brave portal
Who's zagreus in the actual myths ? Still hades' son? Because i haven't heard o...
there's 2 zagreus, one is dionysus reincarnation and one it's supposed to be a lesser known hades child
forest falcon
Cool
umbral whale
That video i linked is actually really nice cuz it explains the genius of the chthonic gods cuz they dont have a lot of mythology representation so they had way more freedom to flesh them out
hearty sierra
there's 2 zagreus, one is dionysus reincarnation and one it's supposed to be a l...
Don't forget to mention that in that second version, Hades is just Zeus's alter ego
cyan jolt
Zagreus in the myths is either Zeus and Persephones kid or hes like he is in the...
Wha didn't know Persephone had sex with Zeus
hearty sierra
So he's still the son of Zeus
umbral whale
Thats one interpretation. Another was that hades was in fact his father, but most of the knowledge of zagreus was lost to time
quartz hearth
Yeah, SGG chose an obscure deity with conflicting mythology on purpose
merry bane
heh, nice
https://imgur.com/5iNone7
hearty sierra
heh, nice
https://imgur.com/5iNone7
niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
quartz hearth
He was a handy semi-blank slate for them to craft their own Protagonist without going full OC
umbral whale
Like the fire feet was all SGG
quartz hearth
I support this decision wholeheartedly
hearty sierra
A lot of the design choices in this game were SGG-made and I'm all for it as well
cyan jolt
I honestly wish they put Apollo or hestia in hades
hearty sierra
Like, we know that the skulls on Hades's shoulders are from the children of titans, but who are the skulls on Persephone's shoulders?
umbral whale
And whats great about mythology is everything SGG did can be considered canon in mythology because thats how mythology works. When a new work is made in the mythos its added to it
hearty sierra
I honestly wish they put Apollo or hestia in hades
👀 Do you play on console or PC?
cyan jolt
👀 Do you play on console or PC?
Switch
hearty sierra
drat
umbral whale
Like, we know that the skulls on Hades's shoulders are from the children of tita...
They are skelly's skulls we just collect them after we kill him for new clothing options
XD
hearty sierra
They are skelly's skulls we just collect them after we kill him for new clothing...
Skelly canonically turns to ash after you kill him so eh
But also he bleeds when you hit him with Gilga and he's a skeleton... so eh
Logic becomes weird if you apply it to games
quartz hearth
I think they chose a good selection of gods, given their respective array of powers. The amount of work required to add another god with all their boons and interactions with other gods' dialogue and boons is exponential, you know?
mint coral
The other day i realized i spoiled myself about who hired skelly but never got the dialogie ingame
hearty sierra
The other day i realized i spoiled myself about who hired skelly but never got t...
lmaoooooooo
mint coral
Got the dialogue yesterday
hearty sierra
I think they chose a good selection of gods, given their respective array of pow...
Exactly, yeah, especially with the duo boons
Dem is the last olympian to be added and you can tell
Though it works well
quartz hearth
I love Hestia and Hera and Apollo as much as the next Greek myth geek, but they probably wouldn't add enough to the game that isn't already in there to be worth the enormous amount of work to go from nine gods to twelve.
cyan jolt
I love Hestia and Hera and Apollo as much as the next Greek myth geek, but they ...
The drama with hera and Zeus could be funny
dim flower
when i realized who hired skelly i was surprised but also kinda touched.
so nice of (redacted)
mint coral
Yup 
dim flower
i wont even say who it is in spoilers bc its such a nice surprise
cyan jolt
i wont even say who it is in spoilers bc its such a nice surprise
Well this is the chat where all spoilers are welcome
In #h1-for-new-players it needs to be spoiler marked tho
mint coral
You still can choose to not spoiler it
hearty sierra
I love Hestia and Hera and Apollo as much as the next Greek myth geek, but they ...
hestia instead of Hephaestus??
I demand my canon 12 olympians
quartz hearth
I mean, sibling dithering with Apollo and Artemis would be fun, too, but is it worth working in an entire boonset, all that dialogue writing, getting all the other voice actors in to record again, coming up with duo boons, etc etc etc...?
dim flower
well its one of those things thats like…its not a part of the story so its not really a spoiler, it’s just nice to learn on your own
quartz hearth
Plus, every additional boonset waters down the others and makes it that much harder to get your favorites.
cyan jolt
I demand my canon 12 olympians
They're both canon it just depends ont he myths
hearty sierra
They're both canon it just depends ont he myths
this canon of mine
But yeah hestia's cool too
I know I'm definitely playing with her boons when it comes out
cyan jolt
Hestia is like the only goddess that didn't do some messed up stuff
For lack of better words
quartz hearth
I'm okay with SGG prioritizing to strike a good balance between working in lots of good Greek mythology and producing a functional game within a scope they can handle with 20 people on staff.
(And that isn't so overstuffed that it pops.)
brave portal
Don't forget to mention that in that second version, Hades is just Zeus's alter ...
yeah that
it's complicated
frigid scarab
So far the whole game is great except for that one mini boss
That butterfly orb thing
mint coral
Tiny rat? Oh
hearty sierra
Lmao we don't even know if they're at styx yet
dim flower
oh god yeah the butterfly ball
hearty sierra
NGL Butterfly Ball remains annoying the entire game
signal aspen
butterfly ball is great
cyan jolt
So far the whole game is great except for that *one* mini boss
If you're new i wouldn't talk in this chat
frigid scarab
Like seriously, it’s like enjoying a great meal but then halfway through u haft to lick a bird turd of the concrete to continue
dim flower
lmao
short glen
So far the whole game is great except for that *one* mini boss
Trust me, you'll eventually learn to love seeing it
hearty sierra
You learn to just Meg it somewhere down the line
frigid scarab
I am new ish
signal aspen
its a blessing when you see butterfly ball instead of bull man at high heat
hearty sierra
Trust me, you'll eventually learn to love seeing it
Asterius is so much better tho
Even if it's EM3
short glen
???
mint coral
Depending on your build you can kill it faster than it spawn enemies ww
cyan jolt
You learn to just Meg it somewhere down the line
Well use this chat at your own risk of being spoiled
short glen
He's way more difficult to handle??
frigid scarab
its a blessing when you see butterfly ball instead of bull man at high heat
Bull man is hard
dim flower
asterius is much easier for me, but it depends on the build
frigid scarab
Haven’t beaten him yet
hearty sierra
You get easier Elysium boss fight
short glen
Barely
hearty sierra
Plus, I hate dealing with teleporting ball with MM
hearty sierra
And meg takes that down even more
short glen
Last time I reached him it was a double boss
That's the boss, not a mini boss
I know because I've had to face him EVERY run for the past 15 or so runs, I'd kill to see the ball at this point
dim flower
i like when you beat him, zag sometimes says “who’s the short one now!?”
still you, zag.
mint coral
Butterfly is so much faster tho, meg then burst damage into death
hearty sierra
Just go up a tad and hit the summon button, hits both in one go, easy life
short glen
You say as though everyone is always using meg
hearty sierra
Butterfly is so much faster tho, meg then burst damage into death
New players don't have the convenience of Meg-ing a butterfly ball lmao
cyan jolt
The ball has so much hp for no reason
frigid scarab
I didn’t encounter the ball my first time in elysium how do i do that again
hearty sierra
The ball has so much hp for no reason
It's shield\
Shield in this game provide LOTS of HP
mint coral
I didn’t encounter the ball my first time in elysium how do i do that again
Pray for rng
frigid scarab
Like the ball is just terrible game design
hearty sierra
Thankfully there's also hammer dedicated to ripping apart shield
frigid scarab
OH I can make sure I do extra shield damage next time
hearty sierra
Annoying for a reason
mint coral
If you cant kill it in one go just dont be careless and let the enemies spawn
cyan jolt
Like the ball is just terrible game design
Git gud
hearty sierra
Forces you to either manage the souls that spawn or kill it QUICK
frigid scarab
Like it’s not fun or op it’s just a genuine annoyance that makes me not even want to play
hearty sierra
Also reminder: the resurrect process of souls gets interrupted if you break their shield
mint coral
Just hitting them a little works
cyan jolt
Okay imma go bye
hearty sierra
Yeah the shields on souls are rather weak
frigid scarab
Can’t hit them cause the other 4 enemy’s are shooting at me while I’m dodging butterfly’s
hearty sierra
Can’t hit them cause the other 4 enemy’s are shooting at me while I’m dodging bu...
Kill the souls before they spawn into enemies, perhaps?
frigid scarab
It just spawns more
hearty sierra
You can attack the butterflies to kill the projectiles
frigid scarab
I rid the enemy’s then they start getting summoned again
hearty sierra
Same with the Strongbow arrows
hearty sierra
I rid the enemy’s then they start getting summoned again
That's intentional design, yes
Thay're meant to be distractions
What we as a whole are telling you is to deal damage quicker
Maybe watch a few players playing the game and see how they combat elysium
And then close the video when you finish elysium to avoid spoilers
versed vessel
Man i hate Elysium archers
why do they always spawn off screen and shooting needles size things that hit like a truck
brisk trail
I mean I'm pretty sure they show you when one is aiming at you
versed vessel
well i know they aim at me but i don't know from where
and somehow always caught me off guard
dim flower
they do this annoying ring around the rosie thing that makes them incredibly obnoxious to fight
especially with exagryph and coronacht
brisk trail
are bosses count as armoured
strong ridge
bp will affect boss minions thou
raw herald
If bosses were armoured then breaching cross would be even more insane
brisk trail
well whats the best rail aspect
vapid narwhal
Eris and Hestia are both top tier
brisk trail
am i playing this weapon right
in just spamming the special
the main attack does like no damage
vapid narwhal
no\
covert zenith
I like Zag Aspect of Exagryph
Especially if you can get Spread Fire
raw herald
the main attack does like no damage
Put Zeus on the attack, then get static discharge
brisk trail
i did but the special with crit and 3 bombs was so much better
covert zenith
Or Doom and Dire Misfortune attack, Athena special for ME
Or the other way around
Or Dion attack and Aphro special for Duo
Or Demeter attack
mint coral
If you are doing dio attack rail i feel like passion dash is better
vapid narwhal
rocket+cluster artemis special is viable
if you have those, spamming special is good
Eris - Zeus attack and get rocket bomb/cluster bomb, ideally both
covert zenith
I got Rocket + Cluster once and it was amazing
vapid narwhal
Hestia - artemis attack, get something from aphrodite like special and get heartrend
covert zenith
Wait people use Hestia
mint coral
Is fun
ripe otter
Where can I post my run-winning builds?
mint coral
If you won then #h1-victory-boasting
ripe otter
Thx
vapid narwhal
Hestia is incredibly powerful it just requires a very different playstyle
idle cargo
Yeah, the gun is probably the hardest to use
But it has insane potential
Choronacht just did 1100 damage
Oh my
And I also just realized how easy Styx will be with this, since I won't have to get close to the big rats
brisk trail
bunger
boreal gale
When I'm selecting upgrades (Pom menus, boons selections, hammers ect.) my controls are backwards. So in order to go down I have to press up and to go up, I have to press down. Any ideas why?
It doesn't affect in game
signal aspen
ask again in #h1-tech-support
ripe otter
Ayo, anyone got some clues as to how long it will take before I get Megaera to appear in the mirror room? I got her maxed out
Second time, that is. She already appeared to collect her stuff
signal aspen
its just rng
reef zodiac
Is Quick Favor any good? I just realized that I pretty much always write it off without even considering it
ripe otter
Is Quick Favor any good? I just realized that I pretty much always write it off ...
Hella good for long ass fights, even at a low rarity, but overshadowed by things like greatest reflexes
reef zodiac
Also I should mention that I always use TD3
Like I literally never take that boon ever
If it gets offered to me, I think my brain automatically filters it out
So I was just wondering if it was at least worth considering in some circumstances
gentle cloak
For me it's an auto-take at rare or above, mainly because it helps a bunch with [redacted]
But that's because I stick to TD2, I'll only take TD3 if I'm grinding heat on Poseidon
reef zodiac
Even with TD3? Because my Hades fight is usually around a minute long
gentle cloak
Well, it's actually even more useful in Styx rooms, if you don't get a 2-sack it clears a wave of the final room
dunno, I don't run TD3 much
reef zodiac
Well, it's actually even more useful in Styx rooms, if you don't get a 2-sack it...
You mean if you don’t get a 2 or 3-sack
gentle cloak
yeah that
But again, if I'm running TD3 my two Hermes boons are Flurry Cast and Swift Flourish
reef zodiac
So maybe it’s worth taking sometimes but it’s definitely worse than Hyper Sprint, Greatest Reflex, Greater Evasion, or Second Wind (or Rush Delivery obviously)
gentle cloak
Depends on your build, as always. Zeus or Dio call? Auto-take. Arty call? Could pass it.
reef zodiac
But again, if I'm running TD3 my two Hermes boons are Flurry Cast and Swift Flou...
Swift flourish? For what aspect?
gentle cloak
Poseidon
reef zodiac
Depends on your build, as always. Zeus or Dio call? Auto-take. Arty call? Could ...
I definitely don’t think there’s any situation where it’s an “auto-take”, at least for me
gentle cloak
okay
reef zodiac
Swift Flourish doesn’t really do that much on sword in my experience
Do you find it makes a big difference?
umbral whale
I like arty or aphro call just for chunky boss damage at greater
reef zodiac
Tbh I only like Swift Flourish on Chiron or Rocket Bomb (can be nice on Arthur but Arthur also needs other Hermès boons a lot more so I rarely take it there)
ocean oyster
I’m confused to how people use spear and shield Specials since I feel like they are pretty underwhelming in dps/damage, and the Attack would be much better to use anyways
reef zodiac
Full calls are a noob trap imo
signal aspen
I’m confused to how people use spear and shield Specials since I feel like they ...
they dont
reef zodiac
I’m confused to how people use spear and shield Specials since I feel like they ...
zag spear and zag shield specials are absolutely terrible
signal aspen
spear special can be good if you get exploding launcher tho
reef zodiac
True
signal aspen
and guan yu special
umbral whale
@ocean oyster for shield you want flat bonus for special so zeus is good so ypu can spam it. And afaik for spear you want % bonus cuz its less spammable
reef zodiac
and guan yu special
Obviously that as well, yeah
umbral whale
Was i right in saying that?
signal aspen
but on zag shield and beo you shouldnt use your special
reef zodiac
<@426529647321415692> for shield you want flat bonus for special so zeus is good...
Nah I don’t think anything can make zag shields special good. Just ignore it
umbral whale
I was meaning shields in general
I personally prefer chaos but i wanna try out zeus's shield
reef zodiac
But the only time you use special on shield is Zeus (where you want Zeus special ideally) or Chaos (where you definitely don’t want Zeus because it can’t shotgun well due to the internal lightning timer)
gentle cloak
Chaos shield has a delightful loop that makes you use the special, Zeus is obviously Zeus, the special is useless on Zag and ||Beowulf||
signal aspen
but on zag shield and beo you shouldnt use your special
actually if you get charged flight on beo special it can be fun
umbral whale
Whats good for Chaos's special?
reef zodiac
I would suggest against Zeus special for Chaos
gentle cloak
Whats good for Chaos's special?
Ares
reef zodiac
Aphrodite is great
ocean oyster
Ah I see. So default shield and spear specials are trash but they are good with certain aspects?
gentle cloak
Ares or Athena, depending on how you want to stack your Merciful End 🙂
umbral whale
Ive yet to get merciful end o.o
gentle cloak
Then Athena
reef zodiac
ME is great but it’s much better on another weapon. Chaos shield is best with Aphrodite special
umbral whale
But ik how it works so id probly do ares so i can prime them from afar and slide in for the deflect hi
reef zodiac
Less fun than most other ME aspects
reef zodiac
Bull Rush through a crowd and CHOP
But how are you applying doom? Special? Or is the doom on your attack? But then how do you proc it? Dashing through the enemies again?
gentle cloak
Ares on attack
Athena on special
Rush through and special
idle cargo
So flurry slash and cursed slash is the most op thing ever
reef zodiac
So flurry slash and cursed slash is the most op thing ever
Welllllll……
idle cargo
I just beat the final boss without using any DDs because of how strong the build is
gentle cloak
(Pancake, they're probably a new player, not everyone can clear 32 for breakfast, calm down)
signal aspen
now do it without getting hit
reef zodiac
I mean I guess it’s good if you don’t know how to dodge and you just want to damage tank it can be good for newer players who don’t have experience with bossfights but personally I’m not a fan of it at all
reef zodiac
Ares on attack
Athena on special
Rush through and special
Yeah I guess you could do that. Have you true ME on fists? Or on sword? Ares attack, Athena special, Athena dash. Use dash to proc the doom
umbral whale
We have had lengthy discussions about cursed slash in here lol
reef zodiac
You just need the special as a prerequisite for ME
signal aspen
ME on zeus shield is fun
umbral whale
I feel like ME would feel so good with deflect uppercut
reef zodiac
I feel like ME would feel so good with deflect uppercut
Not really imo. The fists special is too slow, just use dash lol
brisk trail
chaos shield is a banger
umbral whale
Aw.
reef zodiac
ME on zeus shield is fun
Doom attack or doom special?
gentle cloak
Not really imo. The fists special is too slow, just use dash lol
(aka the reason why ME was nerfed)
umbral whale
I just want the chonky upper
spice flame
Emm.. After 120h i think i'm done with hades 
And now.. i don't know what can i do with my self
reef zodiac
I just want the chonky upper
Then ME is not for you. ME is all about constantly doing medium damage, not doing single hits of huge damage
umbral whale
Last fist run i did was talos (before i unlocked gilga) and i had arty special and aphro atk it was nice
mint coral
Doom attack or doom special?
Whatever has the highest rarity both should work
untold garnet
im currently on a 6x streak and i only have 17 hours 😎
signal aspen
now win 194 more times in a row and beat my record
untold garnet
ill try to
signal aspen
nice
brisk trail
I have now completed 10 clearings baybeeeee
untold garnet
my dad doesnt have any hope in me getting a 7x streak
signal aspen
Doom attack or doom special?
i think doom special is better
reef zodiac
My record is 100 but I intentionally killed it on my 101st run because I was tired of the streak and knew I wouldn’t be able to let it die on a number that wasn’t as pretty as 100
untold garnet
mans bought the game and he hasnt even escaped once
signal aspen
tell your dad to git gud
untold garnet
already have B)
signal aspen
do it again
reef zodiac
Ok time for 32 heat ME zag sword
untold garnet
also would you go for a pom of power or a hp up?
signal aspen
depends on your hp
untold garnet
i have 175 rn
signal aspen
where are you?