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#h1-discussion
mint coral
south lagoon
spin charge always feels like it takes like .02 seconds longer than i need it to
severe pelican
name a better feeling than cluster rocket bomb on eris guys i dare you
whole ridge
So roughly how much Ambrosia does it cost to get the bond for both Hypnos and Sisyphus? Is it 5 between the two of them?
Just trying to figure how much spare I have
Seems so
Which means I have 21 spare Ambrosia as of the current moment, and I still have the duo boons and the beat up EM3 Thesius Fated lists
abstract tusk
Hey, quick advice, Hallowed Ground also disables traps and lava that are under it!
gentle mason
So roughly how much Ambrosia does it cost to get the bond for both Hypnos and Si...
3 for Sisyphus + 2 for Hypnos = 5, so you are correct.
whole ridge
And I need 1 for both Athena and Demeter as well, which means I only need to use 7 out of my 28.
Then it's just a matter of grinding out the stars
I think I'll set the game down once I get the achievements
whole epoch
I just got Hunting Blades + Mirage shot
whole ridge
I am indeed very close to being essentially done with the game.
reef zodiac
Since full call will give you almost double the time for your damage increase, is there ever a time where full call is correct with Hades’ Aid in a speedrun context?
whole epoch
I just got Hunting Blades + Mirage shot
As soon as I got both everything on screen decided to simply die.
fiery bramble
I am indeed very close to being essentially done with the game.
Same, and I'll be putting it down for a while afterwards as well. Not looking forward to it kinda lol
whole ridge
I'll drop the game for a decent time once I clean up achievements and bonds
south lagoon
my secret is i super prolong finishing the last few achievements that way i always have something i'm kinda-sorta working towards
plucky jay
am i the only one who doesnt like picking the multi-god rooms?
i just dont like upsetting them lol
i also dunno if itll have long term consequences or if everytime they just say oh-well next time just pick me first or something.
crude surge
It doesn’t have long term consequences
zenith sand
How do you use guan yu
short glen
don't
south lagoon
upgrade it & use your special a lot, it's strong and you don't have to retrieve it
like u have to retrieve the other spear specials
rapid forum
just yeet it
chrome wharf
how does rocket bomb work with Eris
crude surge
When it hits something there is an explosion
So you just have to be close when it hits something
It’s really good but can be a bit weird to get used to
abstract tusk
Hot DAMN Hades' Extreme Measure is something else.
abstract tusk
WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS NOT FINISHED!?
celest shell
I just finished my first Exagryph clear because of Eris + Rocket bomb. It's lol stronk
chrome wharf
So I kinda dunked on EM4 with a Eris cast build
chrome wharf
came back, dad wasn't on his throne....
he was in the garden crying to mom.....please....
kind swan
Does Ocean's Bounty affect Sissyphus' gifts?
short glen
Possibly
chrome wharf
I know dark thirst affects the darkness gift
dusky wedge
how does rocket bomb work with Eris
Fire it point blank
kind swan
Cool, and what does his summon do?
reef zodiac
how does rocket bomb work with Eris
Very effectively
chrome wharf
Cool, and what does his summon do?
drop a friendly neighborhood Bouldy onto whoever is in front of you
and some assorted loot
Use on non-Lernie bosses for fun reactions
abstract tusk
Hey which Stygian Hammer is considered the best choice as first hammer?
For a good, survivable run.
severe pelican
I quite like double edge
short glen
I prefer the one that makes you do extra damage to armor
rapid forum
double nova for me
severe pelican
Hoarding slash is a bit meme
short glen
Hoarding slash not worth tbh
rapid forum
I rather spend my money on boons
short glen
You'll probably get more dps spending the coins
And considering damage is all it provides, that's bad
gentle mason
Hoarding slash is pretty much terrible.
abstract tusk
Well...
short glen
It's funny though
severe pelican
😄
abstract tusk
I'll just get rich and kill everything-
gentle mason
Well, at least isn't one of the hammers that makes your sword actively worse like World Splitter.
abstract tusk
Yea.
Or the one that makes you lunge when you Special
OH DAMN
I JUST CAUGHT A SCYLLASCION
rapid forum
I like world splitter
abstract tusk
Does Ares' Blood Frenzy stack with multiple death defiance uses?
mint coral
blood frenzy doesnt stack
abstract tusk
aw
mint coral
new speedrun meta, ares forced into all builds
mirage shot obtained (running dio cast so time for fun)
neat stag
What are some Aspects that are effective even with the minimum investment of Blood?
Still early on and don’t have much (about 10)
mint coral
zeus, hidden shield, hidden sword, poseidon (ig), nemesis
dusky wedge
Chiron, I think?
mint coral
hera too
rapid forum
chiron can work, but I wouldn't recommend it
abstract tusk
I...
Side hustle + Hoarding slash...
Good combo?
abstract tusk
Chiron's easy to wield.
dusky wedge
I didn’t even remember what base Chiron looks like lol
rapid forum
base chiron is only 3
mint coral
chiron isnt decent until lvl 4 imo
dusky wedge
Ahh
abstract tusk
I have it level 4 and he still hits with somewhat lackluster power.
mint coral
you can use relentless volley but thats using a hammer to make it good instead of just making it better imo
(talking of low lvl chiron)
abstract tusk
It's good for bowdancers and Hermes with extra dashes.
dusky wedge
I...
Side hustle + Hoarding slash...
Good combo?
Much needed
And Poseidon plus Chaos reward boons
mint coral
got a 2nd extra cast, thanks chaos
em4 dad is gonna be fun
and no RD, exclusive access gone to waste
abstract tusk
Uhhh... Ares Poseidon Duo good or bad?
mint coral
should be fun if you are staying in melee ig
mint coral
yup
abstract tusk
Skipped.
fiery bramble
Anyone know what keepsakes count for Friends Forever achievement? It says Standard keepsakes, so everything but the last two maybe?
dusky wedge
It should work if it doesn’t require you to do anything different from your usual rotations
rapid forum
it's fun
curse of drowning
I mean
paired with sea storm
and you're a storm that is approaching
abstract tusk
mint coral
vergil moment
i should try it with achilles
this run hammers were awful 
if anvil shows up im using it
limber fossil
Splitting headache duo boon or curse of nausea duo boon
rapid forum
splitting headache is safer, curse of nausea relies on how much you upgrade dio special
rapid forum
always expect worse case scenario kek
stuck spindle
Are these Chthonic Keys useless after unlocking the full mirror? I can just exchange them up for something else freely?
mint coral
there is a cosmetic sink late game too but yeah you can pretty much trade them freely
even without RD i managed to insta phase em4 dad so im happy at least
heroic lvl 4 hunter mark almost reached 100% crit rate, nice
mint coral
AP moment
rapid forum
well
I was somewhat lucky
the only source of zeus here is the special
and lightning reflex
I got smoldering air
mint coral
oh yeah what are you using?
mint coral
ah nvm then forget that legendary
rapid forum
yep
mint coral
i see thunder flourish and my mind goes directly into zeus shield lol
short glen
Zeus shield cooler
mint coral
on design i agree
limber fossil
How do I get the things that let me re roll my boons
umbral whale
as long is not ares/demeter
But Demeter is the best. You just set it and forget t while you do your thing and it damages stuff
limber fossil
It says I need one or two but idk how I’m getting them
south lagoon
unlock the mirror
umbral whale
Its the final unlock
And you swap it to the alternate perk then it lets you reroll boons and wells
south lagoon
they're Fated Authority and Fated Persuasion at the bottom of the mirror
mint coral
But Demeter is the best. You just set it and forget t while you do your thing an...
Even with eris damage buff unless i pray for the duo it just feels painful to use/same with ares but atleast it haves engulfing vortez
umbral whale
Even with eris damage buff unless i pray for the duo it just feels painful to us...
I personally hate ares' cast but ik what you mean. Dem cast kinda needs arty's duo
mint coral
I like those 2 casts if im building around them
If i just want to take a cast during eris build? Stay away from those 2
umbral whale
My first clear i had dem cast and ares call and i beat him by dropping all 3 as he was lasering up and then i max called Ares and jsut sat on him and drained 1/4th of his health
But i have no stake in this fight. I havent used Eris yet. Ive cleared 9 times with Zag Rail, 2 times with Hestia, and no times with Luci, just one attempt that failed at phase two hades
I cant use luci's aspect T.T but ill try it again someday. And hope for the infinite fire
mint coral
Triple bomb makes lucifer fun for me
limber fossil
they're Fated Authority and Fated Persuasion at the bottom of the mirror
Is the amount of darkness you spend on the mirror equal to the number of rerolls you have
south lagoon
it is like unlocking DDs, where you get more rerolls with each upgrade
mint coral
But i have no stake in this fight. I havent used Eris yet. Ive cleared 9 times w...
also can always focus on dash only/smoldering air instead of using the actual weapon
limber fossil
it is like unlocking DDs, where you get more rerolls with each upgrade
Aight I understand thanks
umbral whale
Is the amount of darkness you spend on the mirror equal to the number of rerolls...
1000 for one reroll, 2000 for two, 4000 for 3. But you can earn more by collecting Keys in the run if youve got the contractor upgrade to get one from wvery key room
mint coral
Does it let you do 9?
Max bombs is still 3 but no reload beetween each bomb
whole ore
Hey i discovered a bug in the game
umbral whale
Max bombs is still 3 but no reload beetween each bomb
Oh. I regret not getting that in that run lol
limber fossil
1000 for one reroll, 2000 for two, 4000 for 3. But you can earn more by collect...
I didn’t know the contractor has stuff like that, guess I’ll have to check them out more
mint coral
So you set them way faster
whole ore
where should i post it?
umbral whale
where should i post it?
Tech fixes
Err support
I think
Ugh getting sisyphus' quest for his companion is so annoying. Im bouta start doing semi- suicide runs just to get him to sapwn a final time to get him to 6 and then i gotta get meg up one more heart and then hope the dialogues show up lol
(Semi- meaning ill go til furies then die lol)
mint coral
Time to use heightened security Hl5 and fo2 for quick deaths
kind swan
||I finally beat Charon!||
umbral whale
Nice dude!
whole ridge
||I finally beat Charon!||
Congrats! Now do it again
umbral whale
It took me two tries to get him down and the second one was ONLY because i had three dashes and athena dash lol
I woulda been screwed otherwise hes so tough
whole ridge
Honestly though, Charon isn't bad once you know his attacks, but he hits like a freight train even with maxed God Mode
kind swan
Congrats! Now do it again
Wait, what?
umbral whale
Yeah thats my issue. Im like "yeah im.out of ra-" THWACK
whole ridge
There's a bet that Hermes makes with you at a point to have you beat Charon twice in a row
umbral whale
Does that first win count?
kind swan
Turns out the key was Posseudin Sword + Exit Wounds
It did cost me 2 DDs, so /Shrug.
whole ridge
It doesn't count until the bet is made
umbral whale
Motherf-
kind swan
Oh right, that.
chrome wharf
where should i post it?
umbral whale
He already posted it in there lol
chrome wharf
umbral whale
Adorable
chrome wharf
?
whole ridge
Now an important note, after you get the first Charon win, next time you see the bag, you don't have to take it
hearty sierra
always take it unless you're running TD3
It's 300 gold and makes it so you can buy out Charon every time!
rapid forum
Now an important note, after you get the first Charon win, next time you see the...
you don't have to, but you know who won't take it? cowards 
whole ridge
Or peeps with bad RNG seeing the bag in Tartarus
Now I got both my back to back wins in Tartarus, but I had decent enough boons right off to be able to do it and only lose 2 DDs
whole ridge
I always misjudged his oar swing
chrome wharf
got left with no HP and died at Furies but shh
kind swan
Fair, I mean this past scraping by was in Asphodel
chrome wharf
I still don't know the telegraph for the oar swing..
whole ridge
When he starts running at you, he always pauses right before the swing for like half a second
Best method is to run away from him like a little bish, or to dodge behind him
He always does two back to back, but he chases you down for the first
chrome wharf
yeah I just stay Far Away until he does the swing
umbral whale
EM5.... Charon has two oars...
stuck spindle
For Aspect of Achilles, that damage bonus doesn't happen consistently. Even now trying it over and over on Skelly I'm not getting the bonus.. Am I doing something wrong?
rapid forum
achilles only buffs attack and cast
stoic flame
😔
whole ore
Its okay if im in love with demeter fists, aquiles spear and chiron bow?
Or are they bad or something
short glen
Its okay if im in love with demeter fists, aquiles spear and chiron bow?
No. They are weapons, they cannot love you back
whole ore
Oh no
short glen
They are, however, very good aspects
whole ore
(Disclaimer: im hispanic if i sound like a stone let me know)
Do you recommend any aspect for sword, rail and shield?
Im using zagreus, zagreus and zeus
whole ridge
I much prefer Talos fists myself
short glen
Sword: hidden aspect
Rail: they're all quite fun tbh. If you aren't speedrunning, they're all roughly the same.
Shield: I quite like zeus
modern garnet
zag sword can get you wins... but every other sword has a cool thing to it, yanno
short glen
Its okay if im in love with demeter fists, aquiles spear and chiron bow?
You don't sound like a stone btw. But the start of this message should be "is it okay if" instead of "its okay if" <3
whole ore
I much prefer Talos fists myself
I like doing runs with sword zagreus aspect + (dedalus +2hp per attack) those are easy ones and i enjoy button mashing my X
whole ore
You don't sound like a stone btw. But the start of this message should be "is it...
Oh okay c: Thanks
But i NEVER chose my weapon
The bonus bruh
high island
Zag Sword is weak. The other sword aspects are a lot stronger.
whole ridge
Overall with weapon aspects for me I like:
Sword: Arthur
Spear: Achilles
Shield: Beowulf
Bow: Rava or Zag
Fists: Talos
Rail: Eris
short glen
If you'd prefer mashing one button, zag is the best sword aspect. Posideon needs cast, nemesis needs special, and Arthur is slow
whole ore
You dont use the Centaur one for the bow? wow i just can't imagine a bow run without the hoaming special
short glen
You dont use the Centaur one for the bow? wow i just can't imagine a bow run wit...
Same
high island
Eris and Hestia are the strongest rails, easily.
whole ridge
Arthur is indeed pretty slow
modern garnet
well hidden bow has a special special
whole ridge
But I got lucky with Hermes and got Epic on both attack speed and special speed
whole ore
Fists are my beloved weapon tho, and i stand by Dameter's
short glen
Rama is theoretically best bow, but it's, in my experience, a lot harder to do well with
whole ridge
So he made Arthur not slow
high island
Hidden Shield is broken. Zeus Aspect is very strong, too.
whole ridge
Shields in general are kinda strong thanks to being able to block
short glen
Hidden shield is broken literally, one of the biggest reasons people like it is that mirage shot is bugged on it
high island
Hera is the strongest bow for the content that's relevant for like 99% of players.
whole ore
I dont like shielding with the shield
I feel like im developing a more safe playstyle
And then when i have to play riskier i got scared
high island
It's just practice and experience.
final oasis
Hey guys, so I’ve poured a bit of titan blood on the shield to have 2 bonus thrown shields. Nothing looks different tho. What’s up with that?
brisk trail
50 hours in the last 6 days
Rookie numbers kid
whole ore
Rookie numbers kid
Lmao
modern garnet
Hey guys, so I’ve poured a bit of titan blood on the shield to have 2 bonus thro...
you might have forgotten to equip the chaos shield
final oasis
you might have forgotten to equip the chaos shield
The what bro
whole ore
im hooked
final oasis
Lol how do I do that
high island
Chaos Aspect*
modern garnet
click on the big part
modern garnet
yeah they're seperate
whole ore
You have to chose one
whole ore
Blitz Shield my beloved
final oasis
I would’ve have put titan blood into it had I known
brisk trail
I cant use Zeus disc
high island
All the shield aspects are the Shield of Chaos. One of the shield aspects is the Aspect of Chaos.
final oasis
Blitz shield is so amazing and coupled with anything that puts on a status effect it’s gorgeous
brisk trail
I'm not big brain enough to move it around right
modern garnet
oh yeah my bad
whole ore
All the shield aspects are the Shield of Chaos. One of the shield aspects is the...
Confusing Confusion
brisk trail
Tbh I'm not good with any shield
final oasis
It’s my favorite weapon besides twin fists
brisk trail
Ironic because I beat the game for the first time with zag shield....
whole ore
I managed to understand how it works and now i am really learning how to do shield runs
final oasis
I managed to understand how it works and now i am really learning how to do shie...
It’s really good
whole ore
Also if i want to speedrun the game, anyone has some advice on where should i start? I wanted to join a discord or something like that./
modern garnet
there's a hades speedrunning discord, uh somewhere
final oasis
I just got the game like 5 days ago so I’ve only gotten to ||hades|| four times so if I sound dumb my bad
modern garnet
oh, pinned in #self-promotion
final oasis
And I’ve only done like 28 ones and I just joined this so sry cuz I don’t wanna be stupid lol
modern garnet
people are askin advice in here all the time, it's ok
whole ore
lmao you are such a healthy human being only 28 runs in 5 days
high island
whole ore
i want to learn from you
final oasis
I feel like I’m doing good tho for only 28 and getting that far consistently
whole ore
https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU
Thanks!
I'll watch it after i beat the main plot
because i dont want to get spoiled with items or that kind of stuf
umbral whale
Do you have to beat Meg to make her show up?
whole epoch
Holy crap the 32 heat challenge is hard
I die in like the 3rd or 4th chamber in Asphodel
umbral whale
Im trying to get her to show up so i can get her to 5 hearts to get sisyphus's stuff done
whole epoch
Ironic because I beat the game for the first time with zag shield....
mine was zag cursed slash sword or Nemesis cursed slash sword
lol
void vigil
Anyone know what keepsakes count for Friends Forever achievement? It says Standa...
Super late response, “standard keepsake” means all of them except companions. Including the last two
umbral whale
Anyone know what keepsakes count for Friends Forever achievement? It says Standa...
You have to beat the game at least 10 times to get all keepsakes
maiden bane
Question
Do the effects of the feather and pierced butterfly stay after swapping keepsakes?
umbral whale
I doubt it
wise oasis
They don't
brisk trail
rapid forum
would be heavily exploited if it does
hearty sierra
Yeah, I gain most of my dodge chance from earlier biomes
If I could switch it out when I moved on to elysium and keep the benefits, I would
umbral whale
Ok so yeah meg only shows up if you beat a fury in the previous run xP im not going throuvh tartarus again tonight. Im going to bed and ill do it tomorrow lol
kind swan
Finally got the Darkness required to fix the Sigil.
untold oak
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raw herald
Beowulf imo
limber mist
Hey guys, had a question regarding Slashed Benefits prophecy …It shows I’m missing Burner & Popper. Do I need to do something special to get them?
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stoic flame
yes
raw herald
Popper enemies spawn in Elysium only
stoic flame
its slow and heavy hitting
raw herald
I don't like Arthur tbh
stoic flame
sad af
untold oak
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stoic flame
also what am i even talking about
limber mist
Popper enemies spawn in Elysium only
Does the pact need to be on level 2 or is 1 fine?
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raw herald
Does the pact need to be on level 2 or is 1 fine?
Level 1 is fine, but level 2 will make you complete it faster, with less safety
limber mist
Ah ok, thanks! I appreciate it. Know anything about the Poppers?@raw herald
raw herald
They are the dudes in Elysium that spawn eyeballs that can respawn
Popper makes them spawn 3 fake eyeballs as well which explode
limber mist
Yea, only two I’m missing
raw herald
I think they spawn magma pools? Maybe idk for sure
forest falcon
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Yeah
limber mist
So safest bet, just keep running with level 2 till I get em I suppose
stoic flame
i dont know a single mob name
wise oasis
I think they spawn magma pools? Maybe idk for sure
yeah 3 fire balls like the fire head lernie sometimes
forest falcon
You need to unlock guan yu first to get other aspects
forest falcon
Or maybe have it just available to unlock
stoic flame
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artemis
limber mist
Thanks guys
forest falcon
Invest 5 titan blood and talk to artemis
stoic flame
yes
forest falcon
Won't get it immediately
reef zodiac
I just got a 7:30.46 any-heat time. My old PB was 9:49:22
reef zodiac
40 heat and 7:30 within 2 days of each other
whole epoch
would Arthur make the heat where it makes traps do more damage just a free heat?
same for the lava in Asphodel
wise oasis
no, you can only have one area at a time
wise oasis
Traps that trigger on damage (eggs, jars, weird purple thingies) will still explode, and the jars do 150 damage
its a pretty deceptively hard heat
whole epoch
what would easiest 32 heat be?
wise oasis
For arthur?
whole epoch
I want to try to unlock the last statue (pls don't spoil what it is)
wise oasis
ofc, dw
whole epoch
I main rail and Talos aspect Malfon
wise oasis
Hestia is really strong if you have that maxed
are you comfortable running LC4 and stubborn defiance?
wise oasis
Id get some trial runs of that in, its not as bad as it sounds
you suicide with stubborn defiance to heal, patroclus makes it much much easier
whole epoch
God, giving perks to armored foes was not a good idea lol
wise oasis
you can do something like this, although if benefits package is bad we can change that
raw herald
3
wise oasis
3, em4 is really hard
whole epoch
I beat EM4 but that was just on EM4 with no other heat
raw herald
EM4 FO2 is way harder
wise oasis
especially when you'll only have one death and probably only have 60% ehp
you can run this too if you dont want benefits package 2
Although this is harder imo, especially cuz of jury summons
whole epoch
tight deadline is worrying but I'll try
wise oasis
How fast do you average?
Its not that bad with some practice, but jury summons increases the time by a fair bit
whole epoch
my lowest is 15:10
wise oasis
You can do some practice runs, not the full 32 heat but putting the pacts you're worried about on and trying them
such as an lc4 js1 td3 run
whole epoch
will Sis' healing do nothing if i choose it?
raw herald
Yes it will do nothing
whole epoch
ty
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raw herald
It's really dangerous at level 1
modern garnet
it's stronger than it looks
raw herald
But charged skewer makes the special really strong
untold oak
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modern garnet
just gotta get the right conversation with ||nyx||
untold oak
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hearty sierra
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check pins in #h1-story-discussion
untold oak
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modern garnet
now that you've bought GY you should qualify for it, so it's just a matter of luck yeah
what platform are you on discord
untold oak
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modern garnet
on pc it's at the top of the screen, a little icon that looks like 📌
untold oak
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modern garnet
there's a percentage on the boon, right
if your health is below that percentage, your health goes up until it reaches that percentage
untold oak
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modern garnet
so whenever you're at less than half health, at the end of the room you'll be at half health
yeah that's pretty nice to have, especially if you're taking a lot of hits
untold oak
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modern garnet
yeah I mean there's a chance it does nothing the whole entire run, that's the downside
untold oak
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modern garnet
healing effects in this game tend to be relatively underpowered, to avoid them being too good
if boons that deal a lot of damage are too good, that's fine because the player is still having fun and making big number pop out
forest falcon
The healing uppercut on fists is really good
That's like the only a actually good healing thing i can think off
Anything else i usually skip
forest falcon
I don't play high heat yet because I'm trying to get the rewards
Highest i got is 4
modern garnet
ah yeah
meager ridge
great
i died in the temple of styx
i'm so close to giving up this game
£25 wasted on a monotonous roguelike of defecation
hearty sierra
£25 wasted on a monotonous roguelike of defecation
god mode does exist
meager ridge
*god mode does exist*
and it feels cheap
brisk trail
that's on you tbh
hearty sierra
No reason to complain about the difficulty, then
errant rover
i got the platinum on ps5, i wanted to know what all things are there to explore after that
meager ridge
screw this, i'm giving up on this game
wise oasis
i got the platinum on ps5, i wanted to know what all things are there to explore...
Theres a lot of story stuff that doesnt finish yet, more minor stuff between zag and people
errant rover
Theres a lot of story stuff that doesnt finish yet, more minor stuff between zag...
there are about 3-4 ppl who i haven't got the max relationship with
wise oasis
Theres more after that too
meager ridge
I JUST BEAT HADES FOR THE FIRST TIME
jesus christ why did you do that to yourself
hearty sierra
Negativity is :/
hearty sierra
I JUST BEAT HADES FOR THE FIRST TIME
Well done! Now do it again >:D
dapper badger
I’m planning on it
I had the most trouble with asterius and Theseus
Hades wasn’t that hard
*with my build
I used the easy strat - chaos shield with ares doom special
rapid forum
I imagine
dapper badger
Hermes
hearty sierra
It's easy to see why the champions would be a challenge, then
dapper badger
He can make your special faster
It’s insane
The skull thingys that hades send out I never have to worry about
The shield just bounces to them
They die from doom
rapid forum
I almost never take any attack speed buff from hermes, more often than not they're common
not really worth :/
dapper badger
The special shield one is really good no matter worth
hearty sierra
I really do mean this in a non-condescending way - it fills me with joy to see people experimenting
dapper badger
I found it increases in speed every time it bounces from an enemy but I could be wrong on that
rapid forum
I don't think it works like that
dapper badger
Yeah I thought so
meager ridge
the only time i killed hades was with godmode only activated for the fight and it felt cheap as hell
hearty sierra
I think most of hades is trial and error
That it is
dapper badger
I.e. getting used to attack patterns
And knowing when to be aggressive
hearty sierra
Which is why I'm glad you're doing that instead of min-maxing the experience
dapper badger
Which is why I'm glad you're doing that instead of min-maxing the experience
What do mean?
By min maxing that is
hearty sierra
You could've looked up guides online to play the best you could\
Not that it'd be bad to play how you like
meager ridge
wait, why the hell am i still here, i gave up on hades and uninstalled it already
hearty sierra
Just that this way is the best way to experience Hades
dapper badger
wait, why the hell am i still here, i gave up on hades and uninstalled it alread...
Dude keep at it, it’s hard but rewarding when you get better
I’ve only been playing since it came out on the Xbox
meager ridge
Dude keep at it, it’s hard but rewarding when you get better
i am not going through that defecation again
hearty sierra
It's bait, you guys
meager ridge
this game is a cycle (for me at least) of attempt, try and get heavily-rng dependent items and die to the same boss
copper anvil
I lost all my save data on my switch, which is where I have Hades. I was dumb enough not to buy a sim card and now i have to start all friggin over again
meager ridge
oof
dapper badger
this game is a cycle (for me at least) of attempt, try and get heavily-rng depen...
Where your desired keepsake, get used to attack patterns, sometimes losing over and over again is the only way
meager ridge
Where your desired keepsake, get used to attack patterns, sometimes losing over ...
*wear
meager ridge
ok, but i do not find the gameplay engaging
hearty sierra
More power to you, man, you know what you like
meager ridge
i see no reason to keep going if i'm not satisfied by the "progression" i'm making
dapper badger
That’s completely fair
meager ridge
i was absolutely devastated when i found out that killing hades for the first time did not complete the campaign
so, i'm just giving up
if i took a shot for every minute i was tired of this game i would have alcohol poisoning tenfold
i'm going to leave the server too
hearty sierra
I don't usually advocate for toxicity but finally
wise oasis
I don't usually advocate for toxicity but *finally*
Same, my god
hed just pop in here and be annoying
open kayak
I'm playing on switch and really enjoying the game (30~ runs so far, 4 clears). I'd like to stream the game to a bunch of friends on PC but cba to start from scratch. What would be the best option to have the same progress more or less as my switch save?
I haven't unlocked any hidden artifact besides the spear yet, and have all the aspects except fists ones
Aspect*
hearty sierra
So you'd like to play from a fresh file?
open kayak
Ideally if there was some way to edit a fresh save file? (Cheat engine maybe?) Or if someone with kinda similar progress could share their save file
obsidian schooner
Can you have more than one romance at a time
I’ve romanced than can I still romance Meg.
uncut ore
hey guys, I didn't play this game for a ton of time so I forgot: how do you open the boon list?
isn't it tab?
ah C
severe pelican
I’ve romanced than can I still romance Meg.
yes
uncut ore
C then go to the god and press B
yeah ok
polar root
KBM moment right there
stoic flame
certified ✅
polar root
Is auto aim really that big of a difference?
polar root
It seems you need to
Git
...........
..............
More hours into the game!! :)
stoic flame
🗿
polar root
+1
rapid forum
thorn marsh
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/881538994704375828/Scr...
the sadgiest of sadges
dusky wedge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/881538236361605210/Scr...
How do people even sub 2min Tartarus? My fastest was 2:30min (I think), average 3:30min
dusky wedge
Even I got all that, I still would probably just get 2:30min
thorn marsh
it also depens on the weapon
dusky wedge
Think my gameplay still has something to fix
thorn marsh
some weapons/aspects just have a hard time going fast gilgamesh
silk steppe
for the "bad call" achievement" on steam does it have to be a greater call or not?
dusky wedge
I’m using a lot of Eris right now and I’m still slow. In the sense that I still can’t just zoom through biomes
thorn marsh
oh yeah greater call
thorn marsh
than in tart <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
why cant it be in elysium
wise oasis
Yeah it has to be greater, the god will have a special voiceline too when you do it
void vigil
i got that achievement by doing the trial in elysium, getting hit quite a lot, and letting the shades regenerate over and over until i had the greater call. kinda threw the run lol but i got the achievement
fiery bramble
Super late response, “standard keepsake” means all of them except companions. In...
Super late response to the super late one; thank you!
void vigil
theres a fair bit of rng involved in bad call
raw herald
How do people even sub 2min Tartarus? My fastest was 2:30min (I think), average ...
Free rooms near the end of the biome save more time than ones at the start. Having midshop and miniboss near the end helps as well. Also getting combat encounters with 1 or 2 waves is quicker, which depends on luck.
raw herald
A lot of it does
dusky wedge
Alongside the good skills lmao
raw herald
Sometimes you'll just get a chamber that spawns witches one by one, there's no avoiding that room taking 20s or more
wise oasis
Skills a factor but rng plays a huge role
toxic imp
hello
wise oasis
Hi there
toxic imp
just completed my first run !
wise oasis
Congrats!!
dusky wedge
🎉
thorn marsh
just completed my first run !
noice noice
signal aspen
nice
uncut ore
Imagine being such a bad person you're a bad influence on a literal mythical monster
like
damn
boreal gale
Okay. Hi guys. My other account got banned because someone hacked into it and got me banned for violating discord terms and stuff so this is my new account. Just wanted to check, for the Aspect of Guan Yu, do I need to get to Hades with Varatha or just any weapon?
winter fable
and like
high island
Who are you talking about?
winter fable
so much peer pressure that they get hangover too
wise oasis
for me its just pure skill
You're an exception
uncut ore
oh god that's a big dillema
I can replish death defiance
and then have a very good chance of getting hades
but if there 0 money satyr tunnels
I might not get the blood/diamond in the store
hmm
should I?
boreal gale
I would
uncut ore
ok
boreal gale
Do you not have golden touch/deep pockets?
uncut ore
Do you not have golden touch/deep pockets?
I do
boreal gale
If you have Golden touch then go for it
uncut ore
btw
is Sisyphus being so nice a reference to Albert Camus's "myth of Sisyphus"?
where one must imagine Sisyphus happy
uncut ore
that's nice
brisk trail
i forgot camus was a philosopher and not just the dog from cloudpunk
uncut ore
i forgot camus was a philosopher and not just the dog from cloudpunk
um
what
oh damn
I would love to have a dog name camus
but would honestly prefer to first have one called saladin
brisk trail
play cloudpunk! it has a dog named camus :)
chrome wharf
i forgot camus was a philosopher and not just the dog from cloudpunk
or the knight from fire emblem
void vigil
lets keep it on topic, okay? 
uncut ore
sorry
brave portal
Hehe ca-moo
boreal gale
EM Hydra is easy
uncut ore
I just now bought beowulf
ngl it seems prett weak
I get 10% more damage
and only 20% more damage on bull rush of all things?
yeah idk maybe for a very specific build
signal aspen
beowulf is very good
uncut ore
i'll keep to my zagreus aspect until I upgrade beowulf more
short glen
Beowulf's "goodness" comes from loading cast into the charge
boreal gale
My game just crashed on my fastest run fun
nocturne bluff
boreal gale
Oh cool I got it back
short glen
Game autosave a lot
boreal gale
It really does and thank god
13:15 into Styx
16:50 end fastest run
Breaching Cross Long Knuckle Merciful End is the most abusive trio I've ever seen
wanton quail
and only 20% more damage on bull rush of all things?
Don't forget the damage range on bull rush its important that it splashes a huge area with death
shadow kernel
ngl it seems prett weak
It’s one of the best aspects in the game
dusky wedge
Upgrade it to see what people are talking about
severe pelican
I struggle with its play pattern
I see the strengths of it, I just can't personally execute it optimally yet
dusky wedge
A lot of the aspects are weak if haven’t been upgraded yet
severe pelican
I might need to watch some runs of it to get some tips
wise oasis
Beowulf doesn't need to be max to get its value, although a lot of interactions do change with the levels
Might need 2 casts instead of one to kill some armored tartarus baddies
severe pelican
.. are you not meant to just load all 3 every charge ?
lone kernel
I see the strengths of it, I just can't personally execute it optimally yet
There was a discussion about it in high heat strategies last night that is worth reading namely around how to move with it
signal aspen
thats overkill on a lot of enemies
lone kernel
I also got like, twice as good at it with a controller remap specific to beowulf (left back paddle to load cast so I can load them as I bull rush without needing to give myself tendinitis)
(So if my rush will whiff, just don’t load)
wise oasis
.. are you not meant to just load all 3 every charge ?
Most enemies die to a dragon rush + 1 cast
So any more is overkill and slows you down a ton
Also you really only want to dragon rush in their face
Charge it as little as you can
wise oasis
It's a great weapon, just need some time to get the hang of it
severe pelican
BiS for beo is aphro cast?
wise oasis
Aphro is strongest, Poseidon is also really good for aoe and consistency
You generally want to aim for mirage shot, and Poseidon is part of that
signal aspen
also mirage shot is bugged on beo so it deals 100% extra damage instead of 30%
severe pelican
where does mirage shot come from
wise oasis
Poseidon arti
And flood flare is a prerequisite so it's super consistent
Flood flare doesn't knock enemies like almost at all
stoic flame
sad af
stoic violet
Which boon deals damage for casts dropping from enemies and what god gives it?
Was it Artemis?
mint coral
@stoic violet exit wounds, artemis
stoic violet
Thanks! ^~^
vast zealot
Is it near impossible to get a perfect catch unless you hit it before it goes?
vast zealot
Does the 40% enemy speed up affect it?
fringe pond
Question. If i use thanatos keepsake and then take it off, do i lose or keep the bonus damage i earned
void vigil
you lose the bonus damage
fringe pond
Big sadge.
void vigil
no, enemy speed does not affect fishing
vast zealot
I wish it showed your reaction time, something on Xbox just seems off about it
It’s .34 seconds isn’t it?
void vigil
less than .34 seconds yes. .34 to .68 is a just a normal catch
you just have to be very fast
also learn the patterns of the fish, for example, it can never be more than 3 false bobs, so if there have been 3 false bobs it will always be the 4th
gentle mason
also learn the patterns of the fish, for example, it can never be more than 3 fa...
This is a really helpful tip, that bit of anticiaption can mitigate bad input lag or just simply not great reaction time.
fathom moth
smh i just got a 6 for 69 against thanatos and didnt screenshot in time
final oasis
Got my first and second win back to back 🙂
untold oak
One message removed from a suspended account.
severe pelican
Got my first and second win back to back 🙂
Nice! I went on a small streak after my first victory
final oasis
Dope, I hope I can keep it going myself
cyan jolt
Where can I see the list with the room icons and what is in them
Asking for someone form another server
cyan jolt
Thanks!
fathom moth
omg its frisk guys
forest falcon
Why can hermes only appear twice
void vigil
he can appear a third time in styx shop
and its because his boons are like support boons and not like the other gods
fathom moth
do the expensive boon options in styx actually have higher rarity stuff?
or is it the same as buying a 150 priced one
void vigil
i assume they do
brisk trail
i always assumed buying a 450 obol boon was like getting a mini boss boon
signal aspen
they give higher rarity boons
brisk trail
yeah that
wise oasis
do the expensive boon options in styx actually have higher rarity stuff?
It's the same as doing a miniboss chamber for the boon, higher rarity
Same with the more expensive poms, 2 levels instead of 1
fathom moth
ah ok
forest falcon
I hate the aspect of rama
toxic imp
hey, thados just disapeard from the weapons rooms is it bug or normal ?
toxic imp
ah thx
stoic flame
I hate the aspect of rama
unbased
its my favourite aspect
how can even not like it
its a burst round rifle with no reloads
boreal gale
How do I unlock Hidden Sword Aspect? Do I just need to do a run after investing 5 blood into sword
fathom moth
yes
boreal gale
Is it in a single aspect or in total
stoic flame
then talk to someone which i forgot
stoic flame
Is it in a single aspect or in total
in total
fathom moth
i think ||nyx||
boreal gale
Nyx you talk to
stoic flame
ah
boreal gale
So I'll just do a run with Malphon on 5 heat for the bounties then and unlock it when I get back ig
fathom moth
its rng so it might take a while
boreal gale
DC1 EM2 TD1 for the bounties sounds doable
wise oasis
DC on fists is free
boreal gale
It really is. So is TD1
kind swan
I'm too scared to touch TD.
kind swan
I thought it said it only gave 9?
wise oasis
It's arguably the easiest one
boreal gale
9 per region.
kind swan
Oh
boreal gale
It's a Psychological Punishment more than actually making the game harder.
wise oasis
TD is really super easy
wise oasis
Almost all my runs end up within time for td3, it's mostly just getting used to it
boreal gale
It really does improve speed though. I'm halfway through Asphodel in 5m. Most of the time I'd just be getting to the Furies around this point.
thorn marsh
How do I unlock Hidden Sword Aspect? Do I just need to do a run after investing ...
do u already have the hidden aspect of spear?
boreal gale
Yeah.
boreal gale
I need Athena to visit me
signal aspen
gilgamesh
boreal gale
Zeus shield
But it's also the most fun imo
wise oasis
Beowulf!
boreal gale
Don't have beo yet so can't comment on how fun it is.
brisk trail
I think currently my favorite weapon is the bow
with triple shot and explosive shot
so strong
wise oasis
You'll like the hidden bow aspect then
boreal gale
7:52 to lernie. I'm making good time
boreal gale
Spear is needed for them all
brisk trail
that makes more sense now
wise oasis
Just keep talking to Arti best girl
boreal gale
Look at pins in #h1-story-discussion. All the info on hidden aspects are there.
wise oasis
Assuming you have the blood invested
boreal gale
EM Lernie time Whoo
wise oasis
You done em2 before?
boreal gale
Yeah
wise oasis
Ah nice
boreal gale
I'm doing EM2 DC1 TD1 rn
wise oasis
You gonna do em3 for 6 heat?
boreal gale
Maybe. Probably not though
spice flame
It's normall i didn't get dedal hammer in tartarus?
boreal gale
I'll probably add on another DC because I'm on fists
wise oasis
It's normall i didn't get dedal hammer in tartarus?
Happens sometimes, it'll show up in asphodel most likely
umbral whale
Finally. I had to leave for work but all i gotta do is find sisyphus to tell him his contract is absolved and i get his companion
boreal gale
What's everyone's fastest times?
spice flame
@signal aspen what heat?
boreal gale
I thought I was doing good with 15m and you've just gone and halved my time. Jesus.
Isn't that close to world record times?
signal aspen
<@!624733446459228160> what heat?
my pb is at 9 heat
signal aspen
Isn't that close to world record times?
wr is 5:32
boreal gale
Jesus you're close to it then
signal aspen
"close"
wise oasis
It gets much harder to improve, sub 7 is really hard and only 5 people have done sub 6
boreal gale
I'm not doing too bad myself I think. I'm 15m something and 12 clears
signal aspen
long knuckle
raw herald
Long knuckle
strong ridge
l o n g k n u c k l e
dusky wedge
What's everyone's fastest times?
10:50
And only one time, my average is closer to 14:00
wise oasis
9:40
dusky wedge
Don’t even knew how I got it
dusky wedge
It gets much harder to improve, sub 7 is really hard and only 5 people have done...
Sub 6 is WR territory already iirc
wise oasis
5:32 is wr
dusky wedge
Unless we’re counting seeded routed runs I guess
wise oasis
2 weeks ago I think, croven on beo
dusky wedge
Damn
raw herald
There have been 7 or 8 sub 6s I believe? A few people have multiple
Croven, 185 and maybe tounis
dusky wedge
Beo new meta
raw herald
185 has another sub 6 on Achilles but it was slower
Actually he has 3 iirc
Just obsolete
dusky wedge
Time to over-learn another aspect
wise oasis
185 has another sub 6 on Achilles but it was slower
Oh did he not post them?
Or do they not showu p if it's same aspect
thorn marsh
What's everyone's fastest times?
7:52
mint coral
What's everyone's fastest times?
8:21
thorn marsh
god i havent played hades in a long ass time
signal aspen
Damn why am I so darn fast
dusky wedge
Ngl, between high heat and speedrunning, I find speedrunning to be more fun
stoic flame
because it is
dusky wedge
My high heat is still at 20, I’ve done my 32 on god mode
stoic flame
im just doing 16 rn
stoic flame
what difference does god mode make
signal aspen
Play modded
No
stoic flame
i havent used it once
mint coral
I did 32 for the statue, then on weapons i liked then 40 on beo
weary jackal
what difference does god mode make
20% More DR, and +2% every time you die
dusky wedge
Up to 80%
weary jackal
Up to a max of 80%
mint coral
Tracked separately iirc
dusky wedge
Easy 32 I guess just for statue
stoic flame
hmm
thorn marsh
@raw herald do i feel like returning to my former life of flurry jab resets for sub 7
?
dusky wedge
Gotta get skelly happy
thorn marsh
i mean
wise oasis
Achilles speedrunners be like
thorn marsh
im lowkey thinking about returning to hades for HESTIA
hestia of all weapons im interested in going fast in
signal aspen
Beowulf good
thorn marsh
BEOWULF BAD
weary jackal
still doesn’t have Beowulf
astral mural
hi
thorn marsh
im like a baby crying when someone asks me to learn flood flare beowulf
thorn marsh
o7
mint coral
*still doesn’t have Beowulf*
Use your re rolls on charon wells for more light of ixion
dusky wedge
Gotta watch that croven gameplay first, then I’ll decide if I go Beo
thorn marsh
watching vod's doesnt do much for me
dusky wedge
Already found it on YT, I’ll watch tomorrow
thorn marsh
but reading scrips of tips n shtuff does help me
i already know the core of paying beowulf
dash striking into bull rush
also casting mid rush
i just cant do it fast
dusky wedge
Dash striking into bull rush, that I know, but casting mid rush?
signal aspen
i just cant do it *fast*
Then go faster
raw herald
Me but with talos
dusky wedge
Does that mean you just don’t spend time loading casts in between dash strikes then?
thorn marsh
Does that mean you just don’t spend time loading casts in between dash strikes t...
U literally load ur casts mid rush
and they come out when u end ur rush
dusky wedge
Got it
thorn marsh
it lets u charge faster because ur cast loaded charge is slow af
raw herald
I think I jumped from 32 heat to 50 heat on Beowulf, it's just so strong
weary jackal
I haven’t played any beo
Because Chaos is a bully
thorn marsh
beo seems so fun
raw herald
Unmodded moment 
high island
Well, it's 50 Heat, apparently. That's good.