h1-discussion

[hearty sierra]

Whoever you like!

[whole ridge]

Well, once I get Sissy finished up and get all the bonds it's just a matter of getting the Ambrosia for the Companions

But I'm kinda leaning into working on maxing the weapons before that

[spare tiger]

Pick your favorites! Though if you're after rewards, i named 6 that get you something special

[hearty sierra]

6 keepsakes, 60 total to complete all companions

[stoic flame]

ive started using antanos and its pretty good

[heady cypress]

Ew

Anyways I'll go off for today

[hearty sierra]

see ya!

[whole ridge]

60 is a lot of Ambrosia yes

[heady cypress]

It was a way too long session at least I reached hades

[heady cypress]

Byebye

[ocean oyster]

Should I give it to the gods and goddesses that give me nice abilities during my runs?

[hearty sierra]

sure

[whole ridge]

But when ya get to that point in the game not much else to really toss it at xD ya don't really need a companion any higher than 2 with how often the Well tosses the Companion refill at ya

[hearty sierra]

They give you gifts that, when equipped, you can make them appear in your runs\

[spare tiger]

Nectars? Definitely, you'll have to do it eventually for the true ending

[whole ridge]

I personally like Dusa's most

But I still need Sissy's

[hearty sierra]

Don't need to waste coin on Spindles

[spare tiger]

If you plan to get it though, be ready to wait

A lot

[hearty sierra]

You can just not buy the spindles

[whole ridge]

I am aware I don't need to

[hearty sierra]

Buy BOOOONS

[ocean oyster]

I think I only have 3 nectars but no ambrosia although I may be wrong

[hearty sierra]

Yep, you shouldn't have ambrosia before you beat the third biome

[whole ridge]

I only ever use Companions about 3 times anyways

Max

[hearty sierra]

Oh, and if you're interested in avoiding spoilers then #h1-for-new-players is for you

[gentle mason]

Sissy's companion actually helps a bit with farming darkness.

[ocean oyster]

On one of my runs, I got the the third boss which was pretty good for me although the second boss (hydra) always takes one of my lives with that OP last phase where he summons his hydras all around me

[hearty sierra]

I think I use it more than that... lemme count
lernie
ely miniboss
champions
styx miniboss
final boss

[ocean oyster]

I honestly love the bow with deflect, so fun

[whole ridge]

1 on Hades, 1 on Thesius/Asterius, and 1 on the Soul Butterfly because screw that mini boss

[hearty sierra]

You get ambrosia from beating both champions!

And yes, bow with deflect on special is nice

You know what else is nice? Bow with DOOM

[ocean oyster]

Damn, are the champions the bosses!?

[whole ridge]

You'll also find later down that the Hydra becomes kinda a push over when ya get the hang of it.

[hearty sierra]

Ares's special on the bow can apply massive doom to everyone in a wide radius

[ocean oyster]

Oooh, I haven’t actually gotten much Doom although I’ve seen it before

[hearty sierra]

Yep, the two champions are the bosses of Elysium

[whole ridge]

Doom can be really good

Can be

[ocean oyster]

Sorry but what’s Elysium 🤭

[whole ridge]

Not always but it can be super good

[hearty sierra]

The third, green biome where enemies leave souls after they die

[whole ridge]

The place with Achille's mate

[ocean oyster]

Also I got so many keys in my first few runs although now I feel like I never see them

[whole ridge]

It happens

[hearty sierra]

If you ever want a meta build, though, go ahead and tell us

[ocean oyster]

Oh yeah, it was annoying to chase those souls to make sure they die

[whole ridge]

Just use them for weapons and mirror before anything else

[spare tiger]

Ambrosia is dropped by Theseus and Asterius, or traded out by the wretched broker

[hearty sierra]

We'd be more than happy to give you a meta build to work with

[ocean oyster]

Oh yes thanks! I probably will once I understand the game more

[whole ridge]

Broker gives you 1 Ambrosia for 2 diamonds

[hearty sierra]

Of course, experimentation first and foremost

[whole ridge]

Or special offers

[spare tiger]

Well

Im about to try EM4.

[whole ridge]

Good luck!

[spare tiger]

I am so going to die.

[hearty sierra]

Good luck

Want spoilers?

[spare tiger]

I know already

[hearty sierra]

Cool

Tips, then

[whole ridge]

God of the Shred

[spare tiger]

Minibosses spawned, ||3rd phase||

[hearty sierra]

Focus on minibosses, clear the green vases ALWAYS, dash a lot, go behind pillars

[ocean oyster]

How do I meet the broker

[hearty sierra]

and uh avoid the ||cerberus|| summon by going in a corner

[spare tiger]

Check the lounge

[hearty sierra]

That 's the gist of it

[spare tiger]

He's the fat shade behind the counter

[ocean oyster]

Is that like the home base?

[whole ridge]

Later in, he becomes available when you open up the lounge again, but it takes a sec for him to have the diamonds Ambrosia and Titan Blood I think

[spare tiger]

At the house of hades, yes

[hearty sierra]

If you get hit, it's like 50 damage so it's gonna suck

[spare tiger]

I forgot about good boi

Thanks for the reminder

[hearty sierra]

np

just watch for the comboes

[ocean oyster]

Also those bombers and mine shooting things can be pretty annoying like damn

Otherwise, all the other enemies are chill

[hearty sierra]

Yeah, the worst part of asphodel is the lava

[whole ridge]

But yeah, before you start dumping gemstones into broker for Keys at least clean up Work Orders and a bunch of stuff for the Lounge, the latter explicitly for Dusa favor

[ocean oyster]

Oh yeah, the lava can be annoying with all my dashing

[hearty sierra]

And witches

[ocean oyster]

Like I keep dashing into the lava

[hearty sierra]

Everyone does

[whole ridge]

I never have issues with the lava, but witches can be a pain if ya get that mini boss

[spare tiger]

Y'know I live like 10 minutes from Detroit and there's a place there called Greektown

[hearty sierra]

You'll get used to it

[spare tiger]

I'm amazed there isn't a bar there called the House of Hades

[ocean oyster]

That wasn’t a problem when I started playing at the beginning, but as I started playing more and more runs, all the sudden I start running into the lava

Basically I got worse in a way lmao

[hearty sierra]

The best way to get rid of this habit is to play Enter The Gungeon, believe it or not

[ocean oyster]

Oh yeah I’ve heard of the game

[hearty sierra]

Or, rather, play like you're playing ETG

Dash only when you need it

[whole ridge]

I guess I always sorta was specially aware with maps, not so much enemies

[stoic flame]

enter the gungeon is fun

my first roguelite

[hearty sierra]

Mine as well

[spare tiger]

Can't remember what mine was

[whole ridge]

Guess I'm a roguelike oldie

[spare tiger]

But the first one i played seriously was Hades

[whole ridge]

Mine was Binding of Isaac

Pre-rebirth

[hearty sierra]

BoI is great too

[whole ridge]

Classic Isaac

[spare tiger]

Amazingly I haven't played Isaac

[hearty sierra]

But let's stay on topic, here

[spare tiger]

I really should imma be honest

[whole ridge]

Fair

[hearty sierra]

I'm really loving the influx of players from console

it's more pressure for a DLC or a sequel

Though I mirror the sentiment of many others

That SGG has always made good games and they shouldn't be married to this just because it's a smash hit

[ocean oyster]

Artemis, Ares and Athena are all by far my favorite. Rest are also good although the only one I don’t really find as good is Aphrodite

[hearty sierra]

Oh, every god is good in its own way, dw

[ocean oyster]

Haha yeah, it’s all really personal preference

[spare tiger]

The only 2 gods i really see as bad are Zeus and Poseidon ironically

Zeus call is great when charged though

[weary jackal]

Except Ares

[hearty sierra]

See

From three people you find so many different opinions

And I can suggest builds that all prove otherwise

[ocean oyster]

I got Poseidon’s call once at the beginning (first and only call I got) and I wasn’t used to using it so I died quickly without using it

[hearty sierra]

Sea Storm, full lightning build

[hearty sierra]

ME, Hunting Blades

[ocean oyster]

Yupp, wbu? 😳

[spare tiger]

Urge to Kill is an amazing passive

[hearty sierra]

I play with every god

[ocean oyster]

I got that once and it was so OP

[spare tiger]

Hunting blades is a noob trap i hate to say it

[ocean oyster]

Like I went from 1 cast thing to 3, and then shortly after I got that for the first time

It was so strong

[hearty sierra]

Lmao

[weary jackal]

Having a 10% damage upgrade and only being good with a duo boon aren’t great cases for being comparable to someone like Artemis or Dionysus

[spare tiger]

You'll get far but you won't be killing Hades with it

I speak from experience

[hearty sierra]

LMAOOOOOO

[hearty sierra]

Urge to kill at common? that's cringe tho

At least Rare if you wanna pick it

[weary jackal]

It goes up to 16 at Epic, so what

6% damage, oh my gods!

[ocean oyster]

I sometimes finding myself primarily using attack, special or even cast, depending on the abilities and buffs I get from the gods/goddesses

Just like one of those 3

[hearty sierra]

16 global damage is a lot more than you'd think

[spare tiger]

Don't forget that it applies to all 3 of your moves AND doesn't conflict with anything

It's free damage and you lose nothing by taking it

[pallid canyon]

nice, side hustle is my most used boon

[weary jackal]

Pierced butterfly exists and can go up to 60%

[hearty sierra]

But you can't force builds that way

[spare tiger]

You're missing the point

[hearty sierra]

And if you wanted damage then you'd do High Confidence and Ruthless Reflex

[weary jackal]

I don’t see how it makes Ares good

[spare tiger]

I didn't say it makes him good, just that this boon is REALLY good

[hearty sierra]

literally every Merciful End build

[spare tiger]

He has decent passives in general though

[weary jackal]

That’s a Duo boon and therefore doesn’t count

[hearty sierra]

In that sense, Poseidon would be the weakest god

[spare tiger]

Near double damage after a kill, urge to kill in general

Doom sucks sure, but what Ares has otherwise is pretty nice

[hearty sierra]

Poseidon in of himself doesn't offer much if you build your whole setup around one god

[spare tiger]

His call decimates as well

[weary jackal]

Wave pounding and Razor Shoals are pretty good

[brisk trail]

Isn't posidens aid really good?

[spare tiger]

Haven't used much and what i have used hasn't impressed me personally

[brisk trail]

I see

[hearty sierra]

They're good, but in of itself doesn't apply enough of a damage boost to reliably decimate gods

[weary jackal]

It’s a better Athena’s
Not exactly a Zeus or Dionysus, but it’s not the worst

[hearty sierra]

And Poseidon's aid is good, much like every other aid

[brisk trail]

What god is the best in y'all's opinions

[hearty sierra]

Personality wise - Hermes

[weary jackal]

Too bad Ares doesn’t have an Aid

[brisk trail]

Yes he does

[hearty sierra]

blender intensifies

Lmao it's a joke

[weary jackal]

No he does not

[brisk trail]

God of war?

[weary jackal]

Artemis, boon and personality wise

[hearty sierra]

Ah, yes, artemis simps

Forever destined to be cucked

[ocean oyster]

Is there any easy way to obtain keys?

[hearty sierra]

trade or play

no other way

[short glen]

That really depends on your controls

[ocean oyster]

Who do I trade 🤔

[brisk trail]

I coulda swore ares aid turned you into the blade saw for a bit of time

[weary jackal]

I’m not a simp, I just like her more than the others
Dionysus is second

[hearty sierra]

vendor in the lounge

[weary jackal]

That’s his cast

[ocean oyster]

Yeah Artemis is pretty good

[short glen]

It does, they're memeing on you

[brisk trail]

No like I turned into the saw

[hearty sierra]

@brisk trail dw man there is a call

[brisk trail]

I'ma look it up

[short glen]

His cast turns the cast into saw, the call turns you into a saw

[weary jackal]

Should probably see a doctor about that

[ocean oyster]

I like Artemis because I use Bow and obviously she buffs my bow a lot, but would she be good for someone using a melee weapon?

[weary jackal]

I use her for fists
It good

[hearty sierra]

Yep, she's great for a certain aspect

[short glen]

Depends on the weapon

[hearty sierra]

Sword crits ftw

[brisk trail]

Well I'm new but what's the difference between the aid and the call cuz me dumb

[short glen]

Nemesis does really well with her, obviously

[short glen]

Nothing

[weary jackal]

Call and aid are the same thing
Ares has neither

[hearty sierra]

"aid" is the name, call is the boon

[short glen]

Shoot can you stop?

[weary jackal]

Fine

[hearty sierra]

There's Poseidon's Aid and Artemis's Aid

But they're called "Calls"

[weary jackal]

Arti’s aid is good if you want to just skip a boss phase

[hearty sierra]

'could do that with aphro as well

[short glen]

Until it targets smol minion instead

[weary jackal]

True

[brisk trail]

I see

[ocean oyster]

Triple shot and the fast fire rate one are pretty good. Sniper is also good although in harder maps especially it forces me to stay back to do maximum damage and when enemies pressure me, I don’t do much damage 🤦‍♂️

[hearty sierra]

Yep, triple shot and double shot are generally good

[ocean oyster]

I forgot the name of the fast fire rate one. It also disabled power shot

[hearty sierra]

Perfect shot is good, too

[weary jackal]

Ares’s aid is only useable with Vicious Cycle imo

[short glen]

Dpllor, ares has a call, it does turn you into the saw, and imo it's really fun, and pretty good when you get more of Ares boons

[hearty sierra]

Far easier to use than Poseidon's too

[ocean oyster]

Oooh, what does that one do?

[hearty sierra]

Eh I always use the invincibility calls as Get Out Of Jail Free cards

[ocean oyster]

Hunter’s mark seems good too

[hearty sierra]

"Power Shot is easier to execute and deals 150% damage", I believe

It's a hammer boon

[weary jackal]

With Ares’s aid I find the slow movement speed to kinda hinder its usage against Hades specifically

[ocean oyster]

Ohhh. Yk the only god/goddess I haven’t seen yet is the chill one

[hearty sierra]

Yeah that only shows up after you've beaten the game once

[ocean oyster]

I’ve only just found out about her when googling of all the gods/goddesses

[ocean oyster]

Damn 😔

[hearty sierra]

You'll have to get better

[weary jackal]

Thought it was just when you’ve gotten to the surface once?

[hearty sierra]

Tip for the bow: the power shot is REALLY good and charges up much quicker if you charge after you dash

[hearty sierra]

lmao if you get to the surface are you not beating the boss

[weary jackal]

But does slightly less damage

[ocean oyster]

I’ve only started playing today although I’m about to sleep soon. Gonna try once I wake up

[hearty sierra]

But I forget

[weary jackal]

Yes because every new player beats Hades first try, of course

[hearty sierra]

Go ahead, may hypnos take you

[hearty sierra]

Of course!! Everyone can see through his ||death defiance||

[ocean oyster]

Yeah I dash and shoot like crazy. My aim was pretty trash at first but now it’s actually good

[weary jackal]

No-one has ever been shocked, shook, nor even spooked by it

[ocean oyster]

😳

[hearty sierra]

Definitely not me

[ocean oyster]

Also titan hearts are really strong

Always priories those over anything

[hearty sierra]

Centaur hearts are great, yeah

[ocean oyster]

Oh whoops yeah those

[hearty sierra]

Hades is really generous in that you can tank a lot of hits and not die

[ocean oyster]

Is Hades the 5th boss?

[hearty sierra]

Anyway, Hypnos take you, go to sleep

[hearty sierra]

Nope

[ocean oyster]

Aight aight SOON

But without the Hypnos guy

He’s kinda creepy 🙄

[short glen]

Hypnos is god of sleep

[ocean oyster]

Oh that make much more sense

[hearty sierra]

Yeah it's my quirky way of blessing people with good sleep on this server

[ocean oyster]

Bruh the fire alarm THIS LATE

[weary jackal]

What if I want Thanatos to take me instead

[ocean oyster]

Thank you sir/ma’am/ham

[hearty sierra]

who's gonna tell 'em there's no fifth boss

[weary jackal]

Finally, the nonbinary version of sir/madam
Ham.

[hearty sierra]

Then wait for five decades and die of old age

HAM

[ocean oyster]

Yes yes

[weary jackal]

Charon

[ocean oyster]

Thank you ham for your help btw

[hearty sierra]

You're not wrong

[weary jackal]

And Tiny Vermin

[ocean oyster]

He’s the 4th???

[hearty sierra]

Vermin is miniboss

[weary jackal]

Has a boss healthbar

[hearty sierra]

Technically he's fifth

Fair enough, vermin is fourth, then

[ocean oyster]

THEN WHAT WAS THIS ALL ABOUT

[hearty sierra]

[redacted] is fifth, charon sixth

[ocean oyster]

MAKE UP YOUR MIND

SHEESH

[hearty sierra]

There's 4 mandatory bosses to beat each run

The other two are up to RNG

[weary jackal]

Meg/Alecto/Tis, Hydra, T&A, Charon, Vermin, Man with too many capes

[ocean oyster]

Why is the game so short 😔

[hearty sierra]

lmaoooo good nickname

[weary jackal]

This is where all the renovation money goes, more capes

[hearty sierra]

200 hours in and I haven't heard every line of dialogue yet

This is anything but a short game

Or a medium game, for that matter

[ocean oyster]

Wait so you keep playing the game to unlock dialogue?

That’s interesting Lol

[weary jackal]

I measure games in how many persona 5’s it is
One Persona 5 is 100 hours

[hearty sierra]

I'd say 1.2 minimum

For me it's closer to 3 'cause I play with mods and I suck

And also hell mode dialogue

[weary jackal]

Ah, a persona 5 royal
It’s just 20 hours longer

[ocean oyster]

Oh yeah also what is the god mode setting all about?

I saw that before and I was like “What???”

[hearty sierra]

Yeah I'd say a typical playthrough should take around 120 hours

[hearty sierra]

Gives Zag a 20% damage reduction from all sources

You can enable that at any time

[weary jackal]

And +2% every death

[ocean oyster]

Why would they add a setting like that?

[hearty sierra]

It goes up by 2% every time you die, yeah, up to a cap of 80%

[ocean oyster]

Makes the game a lot easier

[hearty sierra]

Makes the game easier for casuals, of course

It allows easy access to the amazing story

[weary jackal]

For babies

[hearty sierra]

And it's just an option, so why not

[ocean oyster]

Yes yes

[ocean oyster]

Yeah haha

[hearty sierra]

People who wan to use it can use it; people who don't can just let it sit there

[ocean oyster]

Also what’s the difference between normal and hell mode?

[hearty sierra]

The game is inherently harder and you can't enable hell mode

[weary jackal]

You suffer more

[hearty sierra]

more enemies are summoned every encounter, you take more damage, heal less from all sources

[ocean oyster]

Well you mean that you need to start a new game, but can’t enable during the play through?

[weary jackal]

There is no benefit, there is only pain

[hearty sierra]

exactly

[ocean oyster]

Thank you Bobert the 79th

[hearty sierra]

Ya know, what if they perma-enabled Heightened Security in Hell Mode though

[weary jackal]

And you have no damage gating

[hearty sierra]

That'd be actual hell

[weary jackal]

HS isn’t hard

[ocean oyster]

Okay well Imma sleep now good night and thanks for the help Bobert and Defiance ham

[hearty sierra]

PAINNNN

[weary jackal]

People who think HS is hard are weak

[short glen]

Agree

[hearty sierra]

fml

fine

[short glen]

Don't agree

[hearty sierra]

I suck at the game

[short glen]

Me too

I just usually get lucky enough to not dodge into the pots

[hearty sierra]

150 damage pots kill me now

[short glen]

Yeah. That part is hard

[weary jackal]

Just don’t get hit by the pots 4head

[short glen]

The rest of the HS traps aren't nearly so hard, at least imo

[hearty sierra]

HS makes me lose DD in Asphodel

lava murders me

[short glen]

Lava is pain always for me

[weary jackal]

That’s your fault for standing
In lava

[hearty sierra]

Would rather take FO1 than HS

Heck, FO2

[weary jackal]

Forced overtime isn’t hard either

Both of them

[hearty sierra]

Oh shut up

FO10 for you

200% attack speed

Then you know pain

[weary jackal]

I would if I didn’t play on PS4

[hearty sierra]

butterflies swarm you and BP witches aimbot you

[weary jackal]

200% speed Asterius

He just teleports behind you

“Nothing personal, short one”

[hearty sierra]

Yeah he's like a ballistic missile when he charges

On the plus side, FO11 is 33 heat so you can clear that achievement

[weary jackal]

Wait
FO10 would be +200% speed
So that’s everything at 300% speed total

[hearty sierra]

mhmmmm

[weary jackal]

Huh

[hearty sierra]

JS is painful when you get beyond JS2, too

Unless you play an attrition weapon like shield or Guan Yu

[weary jackal]

Jury summons?
I guess with Plume it’d be hard to do quickly but I don’t see how 40% more enemies can hurt

[hearty sierra]

JS2 is 30%

[weary jackal]

It’s only 15%?
Huh

[hearty sierra]

JS10 is 150% and makes your runs last 40 minutes

[hearty sierra]

Last I checked

[weary jackal]

Hades just summons a full army every 1/3 of his health

[hearty sierra]

Now that you mention that... I'm sorta inteersted

I'll do that when I get the chance

[warm geode]

Hey guys, how do you get the dusa bond?

[minor widget]

What does bonding do?

[warm geode]

It makes you get a nice icon on them for keepsakes and it means you have fully finished their affinity

[minor widget]

Oh :T

I figured it might enhance the keepsakes effect. I just gave my only ambrosia to Charon…

[warm geode]

I’ve given her all the nectar and ambrosia I need but I still haven’t gotten the bond. I’ve searched online and apparently there’s supposed to be a romance scene but I still haven’t gotten after 15+ runs of running hades

[warm geode]

Yeah it just gives you a nice icon, but you get a good feeling that you’ve made good friendship with the characters

[minor widget]

I mean. I guess?

[warm geode]

I’m playing on ps4 and idk if this is supposed to be on tech support since the port has only just launched, or if I just need to wait more

[minor widget]

Sorry for sounding like an ass expecting a bond to have some literal value or advantage, but ya’know….is video gaym. I figured it’d do something helpful….

[granite ether]

fortunately and unfortunately it's most likely just RNG not being kind

[warm geode]

What dude, no, you weren’t rude.

You’re fine

Dont worry

[warm geode]

But dang

[granite ether]

the game kinda tells you not to expect anything after gifting someone for the first time :3

[warm geode]

Oh, ok

Dusa just seems weird as you give her 10 ambrosia and now you gotta wait even more

[granite ether]

there are exceptions to this for specific characters however

[minor widget]

I’m aware

[warm geode]

What

[minor widget]

You’re on to one of them with Dusa

[warm geode]

Oh

I read that as there’s exceptions for getting the bond lol

I’m getting the same thing with Hypnos but that I’m not as sad since I need Than to show up, and then also talk to Hypnos, which is very much random chance but I thought dusa would be more consistent

Guess I’ll just do some suicide runs

[fiery osprey]

I finally beat hades for the first time! Took me one week/ 33 attempts 🙂

All thanks to the help of artemis and athena!! Who knew… i always favored zeus and poseidon

[kind swan]

Well, I now have enough blood to max out the Zag Sword.
||Skelly, I was nice knowing you.||

[whole ridge]

Artemis call can chunk half of Hades's health bar if your crits are good

[whole ridge]

||Get pranked bro||

[fiery osprey]

I really relied on artemis’ heat seeking cast

And athena’s dash deflect

[kind swan]

Yeah, Artemis is basically "skip 1 phase of a boss||

[fiery osprey]

I beat meg for the first time after 4 tries,
Hydra, 3 tries,
Duo, 4 tries,
Hades 5 tries

[whole ridge]

I beat Hades second try but Styx itself took a couple because poison took a sec for me to cope

[raw herald]

I took over 15 tries to beat Hades but I used stubborn defiance

[fiery osprey]

Oh yes poison was so annoying!

My 3rd try vs hades, i only had one death defiance left, and i managed to take out 1.5 of his health bars before i died…

4th try, i had 2 death defiance and 1 lucky tooth… still lost lmao

5th try i finally won

[fiery osprey]

I remember first time going against him, i beat him and was so impressed with myself… and then he gained a whole nother bar…. And i was like FML lol

[limber mist]

does the Prism Sphere (disco ball) do anything or is it just visual?

[limpid quartz]

Swag

[limber mist]

Ok cool, appreciate it

[pallid canyon]

still haven't beat hades, got to stage two after one derust run though

[kind swan]

||I love Zag's deadpan "What?"||

[pallid canyon]

just put my switch away but pretty sure I have more than 15 fights

first time I killed the minotaur first I think on the last run I did

[kind swan]

What does ||Skelly's summon do||?

[modern garnet]

it's a decoy

[limber mist]

Question guys…I’m trying to unlock the Hidden Aspects in all the weapons. Is this true? “you need to invest 5 titan blood into the weapon to have the chance, to get a dialog for the aspect. Zagreus aspects didn't count.”

[kind swan]

Correct

[limber mist]

Damn

Lol

That’s a lot!

[kind swan]

And you need the Spear's from Achilles 1st before the others become available.

[limber mist]

How does that come about?

You mean the other weapons?

[vapid narwhal]

Actually, no

[kind swan]

Yeah, once you get the Spear's by putting in 5 blood, then the conversations for the other weapons become available.

[pallid canyon]

the spear of whatsit is the first secret rec for the rest

[limber mist]

Is the blood used to unlock the other aspects count towards the 5 needed?

[vapid narwhal]

for Aspect of Guan Yu which is the prequisite of all other aspects, you need five non-Zag aspects unlocked across weapons

[kind swan]

Yes

[vapid narwhal]

for other weapon's hidden aspects, it's flat 5 blood invested into the weapon, and Zag aspect does count

[pallid canyon]

phew for that one

little less work for me

[limber mist]

I don’t have the fists and I’ve maxed out first aspect, upgraded second and unlocked the other?

[vapid narwhal]

do you already have the hidden spear?

[limber mist]

I have hidden aspects revelease for the sword and the spear (not sure if your referring to some other spear.)

[kind swan]

Aspect of Arthur/Guan Yu?

[whole ridge]

Alright, he was asking about Aspect of Guan Yu because it's the prerequisite to even be able to get any of the others. You're good, flat 5 blood in weapon for hidden aspect

[lapis snow]

What zag weapon is worth getting to level 5? Kind of want skellys companion

[vapid narwhal]

you need the zag sword for skelly companion

[kind swan]

You need maxed Sword to get it.

[whole ridge]

You need to do the sword for Skelly's companion

[vapid narwhal]

so just do that

[limber mist]

How come I don’t have hidden aspect for the fists then? I’ve definitely put more than 5

[lapis snow]

Oh i thought it was any lmao good to know

[limber mist]

Yes, those are the only two I have revealed

[vapid narwhal]

you need the trigger, it's not just invest 5 blood

#h1-story-discussion has all requirement pinned

[kind swan]

You need to have them equipped against Asterius when he's alone as a miniboss and there's a chance he'll tell you the phrase.

[limber mist]

Oh ok, so have fists for bull, what about the gun,bow and shield?

Are those just the flat 5 or do they need a random event?

[whole ridge]

You need to speak with the right NPC for the awakening phrase too, for fists it's Asterius in mini-boss room

[vapid narwhal]

all flat 5 plus the dialogue which trigger in a specific way

#h1-story-discussion has all of them pinned

[kind swan]

Gun is Zeus, Bow is Artemis, Shield is Chaos

[limber mist]

Thank you!

[whole ridge]

I have all unlocked, just need the blood for maxing them all now which is invariably the most annoying bit for me

[limber mist]

Alright, let me try and figure this all out 😂 appreciate all the help guys!

[ember cypress]

I'm confused about unlocking other hidden aspects (non Guan Yu spear)

1. Can I unlock other Hidden Aspects if I only reveal Guan Yu, but without buying it yet with the 3 Blood
2. Do additional points in Zagreus aspect count for the 5 blood (non spear)?
3. Do points in unlocking a aspect count fo the 5 blood (non spear)? e.g. if I bought Aspect of Nemesis for 1 blood, is that +1

[vapid narwhal]

you dont need to buy it

just having GY revealed will do

[vapid narwhal]

[ember cypress]

Thanks, do you know about the last one?

[vapid narwhal]

if you spend it, it counts, so yes

[limber mist]

Is there any reason I haven’t seen Charon’s bag for the fight ? I’m over 40hrs in

Do I need to max out his hearts?

[brisk trail]

well, it can only appear in mid shops, i.e. shops that aren't right before the region's boss
you also have to have beaten the final boss of the game at least once

chance of the obol sack appearing are around 22%

[limber mist]

Yea, I’ve done all that

Do I need to give him nectar? I couldn’t find anything on if it does something for him

[brisk trail]

not sure tbh

[stuck spindle]

Hello

I've got 7 blood saved up, and wondering what I should put them in first. From what you all said above, probably I need to do the spear first?

[whole ridge]

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes

[whole ridge]

You don't need to give him Nectar, it's a 22% chance in mid-shops, so you probably won't see it very often at all.

[whole ridge]

Have you unlocked any aspects yet?

[stuck spindle]

@whole ridge I just unlocked the Guan Yu

[whole ridge]

Alright, so you've got at least 5 other aspects already

With 7 blood saved up

What non-hidden aspects do you have unlocked currently?

[stuck spindle]

I have unlocked a few, but looking for a weapon to beat Hades. I killed him once

Just the spear only. I read above and Google and realized I had the chat pop-up earlier

[whole ridge]

I'd focus on unlocking the non-hidden before you work on upgrades personally

I said non-hidden as in second and third aspects

[stuck spindle]

I'm looking for one good weapon to max out and push heat and not lose so much.

[whole ridge]

Reason I suggest unlocking aspects first is because there's a prophecy for it if I remember right.

Also ya gotta clear Hades with each weapon once for a Prophecy too. That prophecy gives you a decent chunk of Titan Blood

[stuck spindle]

People have their favorites ,but is there one in particular that is OP

[whole ridge]

I'd not worry about Heats until ya do that

And depends on your playstyle

None are strictly good or bad

What kind of playstyle do you have?

Beowulf is strong as fug, but can be a tad technical

[stuck spindle]

Idk, every weapon and boon and hammer changes everything so much lol

[whole ridge]

I mean are you more aggressive, more cautious, how do you generally play?

[stuck spindle]

My playstyle is like hack and slash and bull in China shop. Aggressive and risky

This one run was funny lol.. I had almost all of the boons that do AOE when you get hit

[whole ridge]

Beowulf or Achilles may work well for you then. Achilles if you can actually use the special though

[stuck spindle]

Achilles was my first win

[whole ridge]

But again, I'd say just clean up the 0 heat bounties for each weapon to also get the prophecy for clearing at least once with each weapon

You get 10 blood for doing such

And start by using your blood to unlock the 2nd and 3rd aspects on each weapon, there's 6 diamonds in it for that

And do a bit with each mirror skill as well, 8 blood for completing at least one run with every Mirror perk (as in both red and yellow, this one can be a weird one depending on how you do it)

You'll need the diamonds for releasing the pacts over Achilles, Sisyphus, and Orpheus

I think it accumulates to 13 total among all three of them? Not to mention the diamonds for getting the bonuses from items such as Nectar also is +1 level to a random boon, or a key also gives you +1 Fated Authority

Do Heat at your own leisure and skill, as you enter higher heats skill and strategy becomes much more important. With a heavily leveled mirror you should more often than not find little issue with 0 heat runs unless RNG just hates you that day

Also don't be ashamed or afraid to turn on God Mode of you have too much trouble, there are no downsides nor are you locked out of anything for turning it on

[bright comet]

Tartarus. Heart rend. Athena. Demeter. Nemesis lvl1. The build got so strong so early the game crashed.

Ps4. There are some fps drops on normal ps4 during insane fights but it's cool

[dusky wedge]

Still, I’d say, FPS drops and crashes is never good though. Made sure you try and report on #h1-tech-support

[spice flame]

I don't know which one is better..
Dark foresight or olympian Favor

Dark foresight give me chance for Gold laurel too?

Or maybe this %% chance is for rewards?

[bright comet]

dark foresight is better

more chance for reward to be a boon or a hammer

[spice flame]

So.. This is not giving me chance for coin or poms, right?

[bright comet]

those two are also included

which is weird, id rather have boons and hammers i avoid gold or poms unless there is no other way

but then the purple option is meh

[meager ridge]

dusa is annoying ngl

[brisk trail]

not really weird, gold laurels are things for your current run, blue laurels are for buying things when you're back at the house. also, poms and gold are good

[vapid narwhal]

Pom makes your boons better, gold let you buy boon, hp, blood, diamond

They are always useful

[carmine talon]

I unlocked the last mirror upgrades with keys but they're so expensive D:

[vapid narwhal]

They are not super mandatory until later on

Prioritize fated persuasion

[thin canyon]

(diamonds and blood are only available in styx)

[gaunt geyser]

Would you guys like a hades endless mode?

[vapid narwhal]

I think there's a mod for that?

[gaunt geyser]

I havent actually modded hades yet, is it worth the effort?

Like are their good mods out their

[vapid narwhal]

There is a link to the modding server in #self-promotion

[gaunt geyser]

All of em seem to be invalid invites now

[granite ether]

There's an invite link pinned in the channel (#self-promotion) @gaunt geyser (unless that one's expired too idk)

[upper summit]

So I just got the hidden bow aspect, I was reading on Reddit that this is easy weapon to crush with is it true? I wanted to try some crazy builds with it but idk much of the bows

I mainly use fist/sword

[brisk trail]

crush?

its the best bow for high heat

[upper summit]

What’s the best weapon for high heat? Seems everyone has different opinions

Only hidden aspects I’m missing are shield and gun

[brisk trail]

hard to say

zeus shield and beo are up there

[upper summit]

Yeah I tried Zeus and liked it

I wanna try

More OP builds and idk what weapons/boons to choose

I’ve mainly just been doing Crit build with nemesis or

Merciful end with fists

[wet drift]

do a crush shot one with hera bow

[brisk trail]

hestia is amazing for heat until you have to take damage control

fists and sword are basicially the hardest to play on high heat

[gaunt geyser]

Haha, hestia is amazing for heat.
Cause its hestia

[obsidian schooner]

Why can’t I get the last two chaos boons

Assault and Defiance

[wet drift]

For Assault you need to have Fiery Presence (mirror) and for Defiance you need to have first any other chaos boon.

[obsidian schooner]

Got it

Thabks

[spice flame]

I wonder if be any chance for Hades 2

[carmine talon]

4th run complete letsgooo

finally took less than 30 mins

[proud zodiac]

I've been playing EM4 only on most weapons since they're all beneath 10 heat

[lone kernel]

There is no one answer to what’s the best weapon for high heat. If you ask me, beowulf isn’t on that list, because im not super comfortable with it, yet someone’s beaten the game in sub 6 minutes with it

[brisk trail]

guan yu best for high heat 😌

[carmine talon]

to start unlocking weapon aspects is all you have to do just unlock 5 aspects and keep talking to achilles

[lone kernel]

just wait til you unlock the aspect of lebron james

[brisk trail]

i don't know who that is, i don't follow baseball

[lone kernel]

Hahahahhah

Thanks for that that made my morning

[brisk trail]

you're welcome lmao 😌

[mint coral]

why i keep getting artemis legendary on non cast builds

[stoic flame]

imagine

i never get that

[rapid forum]

if you have lightning rod

it's nice

[mint coral]

was hangover chiron so no zeus

[reef zodiac]

Zeus has the heat wr, and then Beo and Rama are in second place

[reef zodiac]

That’s kinda crazy, I never get that boon like ever. I think I’ve had it twice in all of my 370ish runs

[lone kernel]

Can’t keep track of who owns what record lol

[raw herald]

ykc

Has heat

[reef zodiac]

Do you think Rama is equipped to handle 61 heat? I know Beo isn’t because it needs infernal soul

[raw herald]

Yeah it is

I think tailesque has done a good few attempts

[lone kernel]

Yes

because it’s awesome

[reef zodiac]

I wish that there was a different aspect instead of Hades aspect because not only is Hades aspect bad, it’s also super boring

[wanton quail]

Wow cursed slash 1 death defiance and heart rend

Poo build for hades fight

[reef zodiac]

Cursed slash is a “poo” build for literally anything

[wanton quail]

Got it done but it was... not fun

Just farming hp of ads

[reef zodiac]

What was your time

[wanton quail]

22 :(

My time was ruined when I got 1 Athena boon going for me

Got natural aphro and art

Well forced actually

[reef zodiac]

Well I’d think your time was ruined when you were forced to farm health from ads in a bossfight

[wanton quail]

Tbh his fight didn't take long the heros took forever

I just had to attack all the ads instead of letting them pop and dodging

But dodging the bulls aoe slam so I didn't get one shot was a thing

How hard is em4?

[brisk trail]

17:21 into Styx, 3 room Sack. 20:57 into Hades fight. Then 21:32 for first Hades health

Doing good

upgraded normal hades

if ur comfortable with normal hades you'll do fine for em4

[raw herald]

Hard at low heats, very hard at mid heat, really hard at high heat

[mint coral]

nice fight alone just dont put more pacts on it

fo2 goes brrr

[brisk trail]

22:05 half hp on final bar

[wanton quail]

I just have td on

[raw herald]

Should be okay then

[wanton quail]

And em4

[brisk trail]

0DD run again

[mint coral]

thats ME for you

[brisk trail]

When does a run count as over? After you beat Hades? Or after Persephone dialogue?

[wanton quail]

Hades death

Second death at least

[brisk trail]

22:22 for this run. New fastest time

[median fox]

is there more story after the family reunites or does it basically just end there?

[brisk trail]

thats the end of the main story ye

[signal aspen]

theres an epilogue

[brisk trail]

I thought family reiunion was the epilouge

[median fox]

wait should i put spoiler on that msg just now

[raw herald]

No need

[brisk trail]

Streak of 2 wins now let's gooo

[median fox]

niiice

[reef zodiac]

Chamber 7 smoldering air

[stoic flame]

NICE

oops

nice

[mint coral]

i want to try poseidon call with smoldering

[brisk trail]

4:24 for Tartarus. That's a pretty good time for me

And then my controller disconnected in Asphodel and I died. Fun

[lone kernel]

Hope you’re doing 40 heat, don’t wanna waste that lol

[reef zodiac]

Nah, 40 heat is next run. I’m doing 34 though

[raw herald]

Smoldering air saved my ass a few times

[reef zodiac]

Smoldering air has carried my last 3 runs and it’s gonna carry this one too

I get 8.5 seconds of charm every 5 seconds

[raw herald]

I had constant 30% dodge chance

And Zeus aid

But the dodge chance was more important

[lone kernel]

Smoldering is one of the best duos in the game if not the best

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I have that too, from Hermès

[raw herald]

Top 3 imo

[reef zodiac]

I agree

[raw herald]

After ME and mirage

[lone kernel]

Beowulf specific tho for mirage

Smoldering is like, never bad to have lol

[raw herald]

And Dio Hera, but it's absolutely huge

[lone kernel]

Oh true

Yeah when next I try beowulf I’m gonna use Poseidon cast to make Mirage easier to get

Smoldering Poseidon with rip current 🥰🥰🥰

[reef zodiac]

It’s so strong that I basically force Aphro + Zeus if I start with either of them

[lone kernel]

Or Athena, then it’s a Mario kart simulator if you have a Star the whole time

[reef zodiac]

Bosses only charm for half as long, right?

[spiral breach]

best fury?

[hearty sierra]

To play against? Meg. Personality? Also meg.

[spiral breach]

who says murder

[hearty sierra]

Tisiphone

[spiral breach]

does she apper outside runs

[hearty sierra]

She also says "Murderer"!

[hearty sierra]

Nope

Neither does Alecto, either

[spiral breach]

would like to know what they have to say

[hearty sierra]

Respectively, Redblood and MURDERER

Also Trash God

[reef zodiac]

Or is it less than half

How long do bosses charm for? Because they clearly charm for much less time than regular enemies

[opaque heron]

I’m not sure. I would say half the time sounds about right, but maybe it lessens per biome?

If I get Aphro+Zeus duo with Aphro’s Call tho, I just tend to use it right as I see an attack winding up, since it cancels the attack LOL

[hearty sierra]

One second, I believe

There's something on the wiki about it

[reef zodiac]

No that’s not true. I have 10.5 seconds of charm and bosses are charming for around 3.5 or something

[spiral breach]

does anyone know how to get aspect

[opaque heron]

I also wanted to mention that if bosses had a fixed amount of charm time, it would effectively mean that pomming the call is even less useful :/

[signal aspen]

Unlock every weapon and then complete a run after

[spiral breach]

as in the final boss?

[raw herald]

No just die

[opaque heron]

Nope. Just do a run, successful or not

[spiral breach]

already got evey weapon

what am i missing

[fossil elm]

Go do a run and die?

[reef zodiac]

I may have gotten my most ridiculous run ever. I’ll post it in #h1-victory-boasting in a second

[fiery bramble]

Wow Megs a freak

[reef zodiac]

Where can I find the chart that shows how each boon improves with rarity and poms?

[raw herald]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1Py-bKw-IYzFqmsWvN1beBF4YEqU_vkVvB9F4OcVOdg8/htmlview

Looking through this, there are a few mistakes, like breaking wave

But it looks mostly accurate

[reef zodiac]

Wait do poms not do more when the boon is a higher rarity? Like regardless of if a boon is common or heroic the Pom will increase it by the same amount?

[raw herald]

Yeah poms are always the same

[reef zodiac]

I actually didn’t know that

[covert zenith]

Makes sense to me

[brisk trail]

That was my worst run yet. Lost 2DD. 32:20

[mint coral]

did you won tho?

[brisk trail]

Do keepsakes influence Styx Chambers?

[brisk trail]

Yeah.

4 wins now

[mint coral]

then who cares how ugly the win was
still sent dad to his house

[wet drift]

Hey guys, I made a tool in which you can plan your builds. You can check it out at hades-build-board.com Just use a PC, the site does not work at all on touch devices 👍

[brisk trail]

Fair point. I kept my Athena Keepsake the whole way through the game pretty much and still didn't get my damn Duo boon. Angry

[mint coral]

the "next boon will be that god" only works once in the run, the rarity still applies

even more nice of you to win without defensive keepsakes tho

[brisk trail]

That's what I was going for. That Duo boon is pretty much makes the Ares/Artemis kit ineffective without it.

I'm gonna try mess with the Pact of Punishment now though.

What does Malphon hidden aspect do?

[raw herald]

Slow attack, more dashes

[mint coral]

extra dashes and has a doom built in the dash special

[brisk trail]

That sounds pretty good

[mint coral]

its a double edge sword basically
enemies will do +50% damage when afflicted by it

[brisk trail]

Yeah no thanks

[weary jackal]

Aspect of Demeter is still the best fist aspect

[mint coral]

hidden fists are fun to use ruthless reflex at least

[lone kernel]

If you win, it wasn’t a bad run

making it work with a crappy loadout is sometimes even more satisfying than having the duo you want in Tartarus and sleeping through asphodel and still winning

I personally get way more excited about a sweaty win than a blowout

[mint coral]

the more i can destroy the game the more fun i have

[wise oasis]

I like decimating enemies more than struggling tbh

[reef zodiac]

For me it’s usually not, because if I have a crappy loadout it’s almost always my fault since I can usually get a pretty good loadout pretty consistently

[lone kernel]

try starting with a deliberately crappy one on 32 heat

if you can turn that around

VERY satisfying lol

tried a dionysus lucifer yesterday and remembered why i hate lucifer lol

[raw herald]

I've been doing that but with speedruns

Starting Zeus attack on Hestia was funny

[brisk trail]

Jury summons pact of punishment is fairly easy right?

[lone kernel]

Nope

[brisk trail]

Only 1 heat

[lone kernel]

Early on if it’s just a few heat; whatever, but at high heat lots more bad guys is very scary

Oh then yeah go nuts lol

[brisk trail]

I'm just trying to rack up some Titans Blood

[reef zodiac]

Jury Summons is not worth it until at least 36 heat

[brisk trail]

Wait so does Hermes know I'm not trying to get to Olympus? He just said "The secrets safe with me, of course!"

[signal aspen]

maybe

[brisk trail]

Hermes is cool. I like him.

[gentle mason]

All of the heats are easy enough early one when you are only doing one or two of them. The problem comes in when you are trying to do builds with a significant number of them. Jury summons is bad in that scenario.

[gentle mason]

Remember, he is close with Charon, so he definitely knows more than the other gods.

[brisk trail]

Oh yeah I kinda forgot that

[rough orchid]

why is jury summons so bad?

[brisk trail]

I mean it'll be like double enemies at max heat id guess

[rough orchid]

its only 20% at low heat but yeah

at more than that its definitely scary

[jade zenith]

if you are only doing 1 heat then you can do a lot easier than jury summons

[rough orchid]

whys that? heard it was fun

[brisk trail]

Like? I'm trying to get my Malphon stronger.

[mint spear]

What’s your favorite Hades ost track and why is it Scourge of the Furies

[lone kernel]

part of it was me setting the heat too high for a weapon i dont really know, but the time to start attacking delay was absolutely brutal

[jade zenith]

tight deadline rank 1 is basically free, damage control can also be quite easy if using a fast attacking weapon

[gentle mason]

Also, there is a prophecy that nets you a bunch of titans blood if you complete runs including each of the pacts, (i.e.: It is a checklist if you have completed a run with jury summons then it is checked off. Then in the future, you can check off Extreme Measure by doing a run with it, etc.) So, you will want to try at least level one of each pact, just don't do too many at once especially at first. And some of them you will probably want to do by themselves, but that's ok.

[brisk trail]

Like Malphon

[jade zenith]

yes

[verbal tendon]

What is/ are the easier punishments to raise heat level?

[stoic flame]

td

fo1

[brisk trail]

Should I trade in my Ambrosia or keep it for now

[gentle mason]

Damage control with the rail or fists, Tight Deadline 1, because it basically is a 36 minute deadline, Underworld customs, you just have to sell 3 boons.

[jade zenith]

extreme measures rank 1 and 2 didn't make that much difference to the overall difficulty

[brisk trail]

Does Yarn of Aridane increase duo boon chance?

Probably butchered the spelling there

[gentle mason]

This is also true, you are only making 1 or 2 of the easier bosses harder without effecting the rest of the run.

[rough orchid]

ohh

man i thought lucifer would be the aspect that fixed gun for me

i have no idea how to use it and can beat the game with every other weapon 😭

[gentle mason]

Also, DC1, TD1, UC, and EM2 actually work fine together so they make a relatively easy 1+1+2+3 = 7 heat.

[gentle mason]

Simple rail strat: Put Zeus on the attack and melt everything.

[rough orchid]

i tried that and it still wasnt good

[brisk trail]

I have Athena Keepsake equipped and keep getting offered Aphro boons before accepting an Athena boon. What is going on here?

[rough orchid]

i couldnt even beat elysium without dying thrice

[gentle mason]

bad rng

[brisk trail]

Finally. I got a Yarn so I'm trying for a Duo boon

[rough orchid]

which gun aspect is the best? maybe im doin something wrong

[brisk trail]

And no Duo

[gentle mason]

Eris is the best rail. The damage multiplier is great.

[proud zodiac]

Bow sucks

[rough orchid]

ive been using it

i dont utilize special very much bc it feels clunky and impossible to merge with attacks

[proud zodiac]

Yeah and aiming the special on controller is a pain

[vast nacelle]

aspect of hera is fun tho

[gentle mason]

Also, with fast weapons like rail and fist, you will rapidly charge you call (calls charge based on number of hits not damage), so having a good one will make rail runs easier.

[candid obsidian]

Dash into the aim before it hits

[brisk trail]

Is there any other way other than Keepsakes and the Yarn to increase the chance of getting a duo boon? If not I'm gonna have to switch to a different build.

[vast nacelle]

mirror

[brisk trail]

All depends on how it's being used. Zag aspect isn't the greatest.

[proud zodiac]

Because if you're trying to aim, the autoaim won't take effect and you'll shoot somewhere totally where enemies aren't

[vast nacelle]

theres a certain one that Idon't remember the name of that increases chances for legendary and duo boons

[proud zodiac]

I was using Rama

[rough orchid]

use chiron it might help

and use more dash strikes

[gentle mason]

Have you maxed out God's Legacy on the mirror?

[brisk trail]

Mirror? What mirror upgrade? I NEED this Duo boon for my build to work.

[rough orchid]

i almost always do

[brisk trail]

Is that a 30 key upgrade?

[vast nacelle]

yes

30 key

[rough orchid]

yet the gun is just super weak

[candid obsidian]

No it’s not

[brisk trail]

I don't have the 30 key mirror yet

[raw herald]

Need to use lightning strike

It's very strong when build correctly, same with every aspect

[stoic flame]

no

get

rama

best aspect

whoever said

[reef zodiac]

It took until after my 376th run to finally get the Zag + Than + Meg.. uhh ‘bedroom dialogue’ (no this is not a joke). I love that this game still have some surprises even after that many runs

[stoic flame]

bow sucks

[rough orchid]

the dps is not high enough 😭

[gentle mason]

Focus on getting that, trade gems for keys to speed up unlocking it.

[raw herald]

Then get jolted and tidal dash

[rough orchid]

even with lightning strike fist does it better

[vast nacelle]

boon rerolls are so frickin expensive

aaaaaaah

[raw herald]

Eris gives 75% damage though

[brisk trail]

Ah. I need the Athena Ares duo boon for my build is all.

[vast nacelle]

yes lol

op

[rough orchid]

yeah but again idk how to merge soecial

special with regular attacks

[reef zodiac]

Tell that to the numerous sub-6 minute Eris runs lmao

[rough orchid]

its incredibly slow

[raw herald]

Just use it right at the start then dash towards it

No matter where it lands

[reef zodiac]

If the dps for rail was anything but top tier, then it certainly wouldn’t be one of the greatest speedrun aspects in the entire game lmao

[candid obsidian]

Just press the special button while attacking and dash towards the aim

[rough orchid]

ohh

[reef zodiac]

No offense, but this kinda sounds like a skill issue and not a weapon issue

[rough orchid]

why dash towards it?

[raw herald]

To be quick

Instead of walking

[rough orchid]

i really have no idea how to use the gun 😭

[proud zodiac]

Is blown kiss the one for Beowulf shield

[rough orchid]

im not saying the weapon is bad its just im very bad at using it

[reef zodiac]

That doesn’t mean it’s bad though

[candid obsidian]

It’s a little weird to get used to for sure and it’s pretty different from the other weapons so I get it

[reef zodiac]

You did say it was bad, but it’s fine if you take that back ig lol

[gentle mason]

Because the Eris Damage buff only happens if you are inside the blast area when it goes off, so run under the blast.

[rough orchid]

yeah but why dash to the blast specifically

doesnt it hurt you

ohh

[signal aspen]

it hurts you if you have hazard bomb

[reef zodiac]

Because it’s faster than walking to it

[rough orchid]

OH

[reef zodiac]

Wow

[rough orchid]

i meant like why the dash and not anywhere else

why the bomb area* sorry

[brisk trail]

First time getting to Styx under 20m

[rough orchid]

im not very good at anything thats not fists sword spear shield or bow,

[reef zodiac]

75% global damage increase for 4 seconds

[rough orchid]

OH

[brisk trail]

Yeah it may be 19:54 but still under 20m

[rough orchid]

is that what eris does??

[reef zodiac]

If you’re using Eris aspect

Yes

[candid obsidian]

Yes!!

[signal aspen]

bruh

[candid obsidian]

You gotta be trolling

[rough orchid]

but wont it take too much time if im doing td

[reef zodiac]

Reading the weapon explains the weapon

[rough orchid]

more time than just shooting

[rough orchid]

oh im not i just have never touched the rail more than once and did not pay attention to the aspect

[reef zodiac]

Shoot while you’re on your way to the blast

[rough orchid]

You know in hindsight i shouldve figured that out

[candid obsidian]

Fair enough

[gentle mason]

Yes, that is what makes it great, you activate a huge damage buff (Eris is one of the top 3 or 4 speedrunning aspects, it is not slow at all.)

[reef zodiac]

Tbh instead of us explaining how to use it, you could watch a speedrun or something

They’re sick

[rough orchid]

i probably will

[brisk trail]

My last chance for an Athena Ares duo

[rough orchid]

im a lot better at fists and spear bc both of those have been my fastest ever runs

[brisk trail]

Can Charon sell Duos?

[candid obsidian]

He can sell boons that might have duos

[humble lotus]

Anyone else wish there were duo boons for ||hade's call||

[gentle mason]

Yes, trials of the gods are the only place where duos are impossible.

[brisk trail]

Right so I can get them from Charon nice

[reef zodiac]

No? Because that just wouldn’t really make sense imo

[candid obsidian]

Hades isn’t rlly the type to team up with anyone

[rough orchid]

guess what im grinding to get

aspect of arthur

it seems veryy cool

[humble lotus]

I think it would fit with the whole thing of the family reconecting after so long

[brisk trail]

WHOO DUO RIGHT BEFORE HADES

Thank the Gods

[lone kernel]

Nice

[brisk trail]

Is it ever worth doing more rooms once I find a Satyr sack?

[rough orchid]

depends

[humble lotus]

Often

[signal aspen]

most of the time no

[rough orchid]

if you can clear styx without taking much damage go for it

if you know you might die dont

it also depends on the rewards

[humble lotus]

If your doing the cheese gauntlet strat then yes

[brisk trail]

Yeah I'm barely ever taking hits from these enemies

[rough orchid]

cheese gauntlet?

[brisk trail]

I'm bouncing between the enemies stun locking them

[chrome wharf]

I think Sigil is literally "get my relatives out of my face" because it uses up the call slot

So you can't annoy him with greater calls

[candid obsidian]

You want to be with full health and max Dds before you fight hades, so u can screw up your run if you take more doors after the fountain

[humble lotus]

Zagreus gauntlets with the lambent plume

[rough orchid]

ohh

[brisk trail]

I kinda need the Pom tho. I'm 3DD and I've never died in Styx

[humble lotus]

You get stupid amounts of dodge

[thin canyon]

[other than hestia]

[reef zodiac]

I never ever do but that’s because I run TD3

[brisk trail]

Because of how small Styx rooms are I can juggle stun lock enemies with ease. Styx is a cakewalk for me tbh.

[brisk trail]

TD3?

[reef zodiac]

Also because Styx rooms are kinda scary on high heat, especially the non-bossfight rooms

[rough orchid]

is it a miniboss? and do you have spearpoint?

[reef zodiac]

Tight Deadline 3

[reef zodiac]

Eww spearpoint bad

[brisk trail]

It is a Pom and wdym by spearpoint?

[humble lotus]

Spearpoint?

[brisk trail]

Sorry its a miniboss yeah

[reef zodiac]

Acorn is the waycorn

[humble lotus]

Both suck

Just run lambent plume

Its better

[reef zodiac]

LMAO no

[rough orchid]

broken spear point

[humble lotus]

Like its so broken

[rough orchid]

i use it bc otherwise i die

[candid obsidian]

Lmao that’s kinda of meme

[humble lotus]

Hermes boons are insane

[mint coral]

Arthur plume

[reef zodiac]

Plume doesn’t give you more Hermès boons

[humble lotus]

I like broken spear

[humble lotus]

Doesnt matter

Still get dodge

[candid obsidian]

???

[rough orchid]

acorn sounds bad for me bc i get hit too much

[humble lotus]

The point is dodge is stupid strong

[brisk trail]

I'm not even running Acorn for Hades. I can win without

[humble lotus]

I never take acorn into hades

[reef zodiac]

Acorn is pretty much always better than spearpoint unless you are on like obscenely high heat (like 50+) and you’re having a really bad time in Elysium

[humble lotus]

I take tooth into hades sometimes

[rough orchid]

it is?

[candid obsidian]

If you stop getting hit a lot than it will be better

[reef zodiac]

Not to be a jerk but uhh… how many wins to you have? And/or your heat Pb

[humble lotus]

But most of the time just stay with a momentum based one

[reef zodiac]

Yes

[candid obsidian]

Lmao

[humble lotus]

My heat pb is 8

[brisk trail]

It makes sense until first and second win but after that you should understand his patterns enough to beat him without Acorn.

[wise oasis]

Spear point is better if you struggle in styx

[humble lotus]

And i have like 60 something escapes

[brisk trail]

Me, mine is 2 heat and 22m for pb time

1 heat

I'm not the greatest yet lmao

Epic greatest reflex amazing

[reef zodiac]

Right. So… again no offense but maybe you should be open to ideas from more experienced players who have done more runs than you. I’m not trying to insult you, I just think that if you’re still kinda new then it doesn’t really make sense to refuse to listen to more experienced players

[wise oasis]

Also acorn really sucks if you get hit by the ads on hades

[lone kernel]

you’ll change this take once you crank the heat up

[reef zodiac]

Well that should really only happen with EM4 because otherwise the ads are easy as hell to avoid or kill

[brisk trail]

Yeah I definitely will but for rn I'm fine without Acorn

[wise oasis]

Not if you're new

[humble lotus]

I just hate doing heat

[rough orchid]

ill try to lear; his patterns

most of the time i do so much damage by that point

i kill him before he kills me

[humble lotus]

Also i am open to ideas but no-one has said anything against what i have said

[brisk trail]

Okay Hades Fight time wish me luck

[olive goblet]

You like totally got this

[reef zodiac]

Yes I have? You’re claiming that plume is way better than acorn and that acorn is not worth using, which I strongly disagree with

[olive goblet]

Acorn good

[humble lotus]

I said i dont use acorn much

[wise oasis]

There's no real wrong way to play, especially at low heat. Figuring the game out and learning what works for you is part of the game

[humble lotus]

Not that its not worth using

I see the benefit but in my expirence plume does much better

[split heron]

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International Game Developers Association (IGDA) (@IGDA)

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[reef zodiac]

Also, spearpoint does almost nothing in Hades fight at all

[humble lotus]

I dont take either acorn or spear into hades

[olive goblet]

YEAAAHHH BABY THATS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT

WOOOOOO

[rough orchid]

i like your pfp

[olive goblet]

Thanks

[mint coral]

[rough orchid]

yeah but i dont rlly need it

[split heron]

[rough orchid]

i kill him without dying because i kill him super fast lol

occasionally i use 1 dd

[reef zodiac]

I usually get hit less than 10 times in Hades fight in total, but those hits are really hard hits which is sometimes enough to kill me since I have Stubborn Defiance (LC4) and HL4-5

[humble lotus]

I tend to just run the momentum based keepsakes and dont switch keepsakes often

[reef zodiac]

Well yeah if you literally never die to hades then I guess you can bring whatever you want but if you find that you ever die to Hades then acorn is the way to go

[rough orchid]

i die to him

on my first clear i used a dd

[candid obsidian]

If you want to start with a specific god that makes your weapon a lot better than you can’t get plume and also, plume doesn’t work well on higher heat because you don’t really want to be focusing on going fast, and if your running TD than you don’t want to maximize its dodge chance in Styx. And all of that is for having a chance to dodge hits instead of doing more damage

[reef zodiac]

No I mean die. Like lose your run

[rough orchid]

idk i judt find him a little underwhelming

OH

[humble lotus]

Td?

[rough orchid]

like i kill him very fast with a good build