aspect
#h1-discussion
loud plume
I can't use aspects yet I don't think
stoic flame
ah
i think getting aphro or artemis on attack is a good choice
and you can get ares on the special for that occasional doom
manic bobcat
have you looked at a video on how people approach the fight?
here is me trying to fight them with a "bad" build. yours is probably better than this. just try to dodge, take your time, learn the audio cues for Theseus spear to dodge it (even without pillar), learn the 3 swipe into launch charge from Asterius to not get hit.
https://youtu.be/3QrRelUgiZY
hearty sierra
On a dang trial room, too
fiery bramble
Quick question.. Just in general, Chain Skewer or Triple Jab?
hearty sierra
Quick question.. Just in general, Chain Skewer or Triple Jab?
IMO chain
loud plume
have you looked at a video on how people approach the fight?
here is me trying t...
thanks
fiery bramble
Oh Triple Jab is a spread pattern, didn't see that at first. Definitely going with Skewer, thank you
manic bobcat
yeah triple jab could have been so good had the "spread" been tighter
fiery bramble
Ohh, though Skewer messes with the backstab damage, that's unfortunate
Thanatos is tough, but what a cool guy
rapid forum
And triple jab doesn't work on dash strikes
If it does, it can somehow mitigate the cons of big spread
...and prob makes it OP with flurry jab 
Chain skewer is fun
rapid forum
Here and there
manic bobcat
mess around and find out
rapid forum
You can't tho
manic bobcat
i can't what?
rapid forum
Chain skewer + achilles?
manic bobcat
yeah it's possible
fiery bramble
DOWN WITH THESEUS
manic bobcat
never heard of him
fiery bramble
Thank the Gods for Hangover
manic bobcat
His cast is great with certain weapons, Premium Vintage is great, his call is ok, the rest of the kit is meh?
torn vault
Premium Vintage is always pog
mint coral
Hangover can be good as long you pom it a lot/have the duo boons
torn vault
Nectar is valuable
mint coral
If you do the 2 things is just a death bomb
manic bobcat
Yeah Premium Nectar makes a nectar a half pom and heart in one
And it costs a blue door which doesn't dilute your door pool
chrome wharf
his aid is up there in DPS
manic bobcat
It's great
chrome wharf
wait there's a door pool?
manic bobcat
Well not a pool
But more like blue and yellow door
Blue door is generally not wanted unless you are resource farming
Which is why Dark Foresight is good
Premium Vintage makes a blue door (nectar) having awesome value, vying that of a yellow door
So that boon is great
fiery bramble
I'm torn.. Chain Shot or Explosive Shot? Explosive Shot seems like the obvious choice
modern garnet
Explosive shot is lovely, if you can handle how slow the bow gets
What bow are you using
torn vault
Explosive shot is more my jam
fiery bramble
The first bow, I chose Explosive about to try my first room now
formal garnet
i swear i havent seen artemis in like 8 runs
fiery bramble
I've never killed Meg that fast lmao
formal garnet
ii counted and i havent seen artemis in 12 runs
brisk trail
I love nyx
torn vault
Who doesnt?
polar root
Greatest non-mum
rapid forum
soooooo, I got all the gods in one run
polar root
Gods love you.
polar root
Didn't even know that was possible
rapid forum
and then I was like "I have olympian favor, why not get ALL of them?"
void vigil
there was a monthly challenge like this
polar root
ooooo
rapid forum
WAIT THERE IS?
polar root
yay indeeed
void vigil
i think you can still submit for past challenges, yeah
void vigil
wow fluffy bun you are really approaching those five hundred patricides, based on that screenshot in #h1-victory-boasting
polar root
Good thing you're immortal
void vigil
your clears though are at 469
polar root
nice
rapid forum
Oh, only win runs count?
void vigil
five hundred patricides is the run clear message for clearing 500 runs
polar root
gogogo
void vigil
i dont remember exactly what im at right now - probably at the 240s... when i have over 600 runs... because i used to be pretty bad at the game
then i decided i wanted to complete the codex which meant needing to get to styx every run so i got better at it, and same with completing all the bounties
rapid forum
I was scared of heats at first, then again I never dip into diff modifiers. Tried all of them one by one, combined some, managed to win all of them. Then got intoxicated by the amount of builds I can make and.... 105 run streak
polar root
if it aint broke dont fix it
rapid forum
I'd get bored if I use the same build. I did it when I do the story. I didn't like it
short glen
if it works, it works
I'm trying to find a build that can handle EM4 Hades. Or more accurately, can handle it with me controlling it
short glen
Currently I'm doing Arthur tank, as I mention like every 3 messages as of late, but that is also on the list, as is beowolf mirage shot. Not even sure why I've suddenly decided I have to do em4 for 10 heat, but I have
polar root
Beowulf da best
otherwise, ME is insane anyway just get long knuckle and breaching cross maybe?
long knuckle if youre scared of the dad swipe
vapid narwhal
I literally havent got mirage shot on beo for even one single time
polar root
I've got it everytime
vapid narwhal
meanwhile I get hunting blades almost every time I run achilles
polar root
other than the most recent
polar root
meanwhile I get hunting blades almost every time I run achilles
aww hunting blades are very fun too
I got it only twice tho
vapid narwhal
hunting blades and crystal clarity are things that you desperately need for the build to work but once you get it it's almost an auto win lmao
vapid narwhal
like once you get it everything just died without you even having to do anything
polar root
okii
chrome wharf
is that a past monthly
polar root
+1
fiery bramble
Am I crazy or does Ares have some pretty bad boons?
vapid narwhal
nah he is good
doom is reliable damage in itself and you can build some nutty things with him
ME and HB for example
modern garnet
Blade circles... don't do much until you really invest into them
vapid narwhal
just needs hunting blades
bonus if you get any of black metal/engulfing vortex/vicious cycle
brisk trail
I only have one question when will I get to pet bouldy
limpid quartz
Am I crazy or does Ares have some pretty bad boons?
Doom + any other status is a free Privilaged Status activation
brisk trail
Wait why am I getting alot of dem after I unlocked her
fiery bramble
Wait why am I getting alot of dem after I unlocked her
I'm noticing the same exact thing. I'm not complaining though, this laser build is tearing everything up. I've seen her consistently for 4 runs now
brisk trail
Yeah
brisk trail
i wouldn't be surprised if demeter had a higher chance of appearing for a while after you unlocked her
dusky wedge
Should help with unlocking conversations as well I guess
rapid forum
demeter boons are great
snow burst, ravenous will are top tier
I haven't played with jury summons in a while
i forgot how taxing it is to turn them on
polar root
Gamer mode
rapid forum
outside
polar root
makes sense
polar root
discord bot won't like you for it
polar root
wow
spice hearth
people are really just comfortable just saying things huh
brisk trail
Yeah I will shut up then
granite ether
Yeah no nsfw talk please and thankyou 
brisk trail
Yeah I won't talk NSFW anymore
But I still wanna know when will I get to pet the Boulder
modern garnet
You can give the Boulder nectar once you get close enough to sisyphus
brisk trail
How close?
arctic oasis
hello
brisk trail
Sup
raw herald
I was about 25-30 I think
brisk trail
For me I started the game the same day it came out on ps4 and I have 18 on it right now
And I'm already against hades and have some aspects
modern garnet
Everyone goes at their own pace
arctic oasis
my first escape was at 16 so I think I reached hades a bit before then
modern garnet
Seems like people who are already used to the genre tend to get out faster
brisk trail
Yeah I played alot of games like hades
arctic oasis
but that was probably because of luck
or using the shield so I just tanked everything
brisk trail
The binding of Isaac enter the gun uhhhhhhhhhh more games that I don't remember there names
arctic oasis
also had probably unlocked all death defiances
only other game like this I've played is crypt of the necrodancer
raw herald
Hades was my first roguelike, I escaped later than most people. However if you keep playing the game, there's nothing stopping you from becoming really good
rapid forum
I remember there was someone here who just recently got their first escape and they asked how do you unlock more DDs
brisk trail
Hm still the game is easy when you have already played other games like it
If I had to say which game I was addicted to before hades it would be hollow knight because I mostly have completeled alot of it
raw herald
Don't worry, easy difficulty does not become the issue eventually
brisk trail
Yeah but when you finally escape and start to make the game harder for your self it will be more fun
arctic oasis
I don't think I'd unlocked all the weapons when I first escaped
but I was using the shield for every run
brisk trail
Yeah shield is good
arctic oasis
so I just got used to absorbing damage
brisk trail
arctic oasis
haven't used the shield in forever though
modern garnet
You'd be surprised how some people don't figure out how to block with shield
arctic oasis
haha really?
brisk trail
I dash like crazy and block and do all sorts of things while I dash
rapid forum
one of my issue with shield is the slight drift after a dash-attack
there were a lot of runs where that screwed me over
brisk trail
Don't know what you are talking about too many dashs
arctic oasis
I could rarely get enough damage from the shield
but when I was using it I probably didn't pick good boons
maybe I'd be better with it now
rapid forum
also when I first starting out, I played shield, got to third biome for the first time and was like "This feels... cheating." then I went back to my bow lol
brisk trail
Lol I'm going to go now before I lose all sense of time and not sleep
rapid forum
aight, sleep tight 
polar root
Hades was my first roguelike, I escaped later than most people. However if you k...
mine tooo
I did try bastion, played it a bit, but I just forgot about it
arctic oasis
I escaped early but then plateaued for a while
polar root
keep playing!!
polar root
yayy
arctic oasis
now playing around with weapons and heat
and trying to do the rest of the story stuff
but ughhhh I just want more character interactions but it's slow
polar root
makes sense
arctic oasis
which is annoying
polar root
ambrosia time?
arctic oasis
the gift button doesn't appear
boreal pier
two
arctic oasis
just two lol
boreal pier
what would you guys say is the best uhhh summon thing
azure osprey
The abilities?
arctic oasis
getting to hades on your 7th run is good though
polar root
meg?
boreal pier
I ALMOST FIRST TRIED HIM
I beat him my first try haha
azure osprey
The god abilities
azure osprey
I beat him my first try haha
If I didn’t get unlucky at the boss in the third world
I would’ve kept my revive for hades
boreal pier
If I didn’t get unlucky at the boss in the third world
oh yeah
arctic oasis
I wouldn't expect most players to beat him the first time
boreal pier
fair enough
boreal pier
I wouldn't expect most players to beat him the first time
I mean then again I’m pre sure I beat my first escape in the first like 2 - 3 hrs of playing the game I’m pretty sure I got like rly rly lucky tho
azure osprey
I had an insane run
Also I did get really unlucky at one point in the fight
Where I just lost like
60 hp
In one second
boreal pier
@azure osprey what keepsake are you using
arctic oasis
was it the circular swing of death
rapid forum
In one second
sounds about right
azure osprey
<@558769189305974815> what keepsake are you using
Lucky tooth since I only have one revive
azure osprey
was it the circular swing of death
No
He managed to hit me while one of the skulls exploded right after
Or something
It wasn’t the spin attack
arctic oasis
oh yeah the skulls used to get me a lot
because I didn't have the timing for dashing over the wave
I still trip over them sometimes when a few explode at once
you can destroy the skulls
azure osprey
YO OLD LADY
WHATS UP
Who is this lady
Is frost strike good
Yeah 75% damage is awesome
rapid forum
it's alright
brisk trail
Hi guys
hearty sierra
YO OLD LADY
Ooh, well done! It's ol' grandma!
Yeah she's got several good boons
Try playing around with her crystal cast!
remote void
The Meme Beam as we cool people call it 😎
polar root
ah yes
polar root
the meme beam
arctic oasis
trying out the suggested zeus + poseidon build
remote void
Pretty sure I can get TD3 done with Aspect of Arthur at this point
polar root
yup
arctic oasis
which is going well so far
remote void
which is going well so far
Nice!
arctic oasis
I still don't have zeus' keepsake which is annoying
polar root
sadge
remote void
What what
arctic oasis
and I couldn't give him nectar before, I guess because he was in charon's shop
remote void
Granted I think it was one of the last Olympian Keepsakes I got
arctic oasis
hopefully he'll show up again
I think the only ones I'm missing are zeus, dio, and demeter
remote void
Nice, nice
arctic oasis
I thought maybe there were 4 empty keepsake slots though
I might be missing something else
remote void
ofc
It's mainly that I haven't really used it too much. At heat level 8 now though
Which Keepsakes do you have?
remote void
Pretty sure there are 4 empty slots on the selection menu at least
arctic oasis
well my memory might be bad and I might actually only be missing those 3
remote void
I'm just trying to get the Cthonic Companions now
remote void
Cool
arctic oasis
I don't have any companions
remote void
It takes some time to get them
But once you unlock your first one it should be faster getting the others
I have Fidi and Rib so far
Dusa's and Skelly's respectively
brisk trail
What are ur guys fav olympus buffs
Mine is weakness or hangover tbh
Those are nice
arctic oasis
lightning is fun
brisk trail
Valid
remote void
Mine's Flood Shot
polar root
yeah it gets insane
remote void
Poseidon buffs are fun to use
brisk trail
Mine's Flood Shot
I haven't come across that one
arctic oasis
I haven't played with a lot of poseidon yet
polar root
Meg is next? @remote void
arctic oasis
I used to mostly avoid him because I didn't find him useful
remote void
I haven't come across that one
It's Poseidon's Cast buff
arctic oasis
but I'm now realizing that he's great for the rail
brisk trail
I just got the game yesterday on game pass but I'm super obsessed with it
remote void
Meg is next? <@!621146326763044877>
Hm?
brisk trail
It's Poseidon's Cast buff
Oh cool
arctic oasis
and sea storm is fun
remote void
like companion
Uuh maybe? I have her at 2 nectar so far lmao
Curse of Drowning/Fully Loaded with Stygian Shard is really fun too
remote void
Although it's really circumstantial obviously
A duo boon with a legendary from a different god altogether is really RNG based
remote void
Spear is really fun, but I'm starting to like all the weapons
The different aspects are the best part of the game imo
arctic oasis
spear is the hardest for me
remote void
Just use Banana Spear 4Head
arctic oasis
the only time I ever succeeded with it was stacking lots of backstab crits with artemis + hammers
however I don't have any aspects unlocked for the spear yet
so that could change things
remote void
Granted I'm an Aspect of Hades user generally
polar root
spear is the hardest for me
B A N A N A man will remember that.
arctic oasis
my favorite weapon is the fists
but I'm starting to like the rail a lot
and the bow
brisk trail
my favorite weapon is the fists
Pog
remote void
Guan Yu is fun to mess around with though, as long as you specifically seek hearts out
brisk trail
I just don't think a gun belongs in a game abt Greek mythology but that's my own opinion
Still fun to play rho
remote void
EM3 Theseus has machine guns on his Macedonian
Iirc the model is the Tau Lamba in game
remote void
EM3 Theseus is easier than regular Theseus imo
His attacks are way easier to get out of the way of
polar root
the bombs are scurry
polar root
I just dash into them, Asterius terrifies me
arctic oasis
finally
remote void
Yeah EM3 Asterius is terrifying
arctic oasis
got zeus' keepsake
remote void
Cool!
azure osprey
Guys is it possible to date dusa
polar root
Unplayable
arctic oasis
ugh
getting every duo boon except sea storm
hmm actually looks like I'm missing something
that explains it
spiral breach
what is titan blood used for
polar root
Just unlock all the other weapons and you'll see
spiral breach
already done so
polar root
But if you want to know, It upgrades and gets you new weapon aspects
spiral breach
where do i access it
polar root
just click on equip on the weapon you want again
it reveals your weapon aspects
get whichever and upgrade
remote void
I thought it was
polar root
I thought it was
I don't know
arctic oasis
I think this is also the first time I've had support fire
void vigil
no, aspects are available once youve unlocked all weapons iirc, if youve escaped or not
you just have to click the weapon again
its hidden aspects that have to do with reaching the final boss
spiral breach
gonna try and have a look
whole ridge
Ah, so hidden aspects are only available once you've escaped with the particular weapon?
hearty sierra
Bad game
Lmao same; spoilers for the dusa storyline: ||Zag does shoot his shot, though, and it's heavily implied||
hearty sierra
Ah, so hidden aspects are only available once you've escaped with the particular...
Hidden aspects have to do with Achilles! The first hidden aspect unlocked is the spear's
whole ridge
Oh? Well I know who I'm Gonna get started on when I finish getting Nectar to the God's. Just need like, 3 or 4 more keepsakes to have all currently available to me
void vigil
you can check the pins in #h1-story-discussion to see how to unlock the hidden aspects in detail
whole ridge
Thanks~
arctic oasis
I had the perfect build to win and I didn't
hearty sierra
Yeah it's a really neat story detail so I distinctly remember it despite my memory
arctic oasis
lol
hearty sierra
I had the perfect build to win and I didn't
Aw, that sucks
polar root
feelsbadman
hearty sierra
You'll have to crawl out of the blood pool and try again, then
polar root
ezpz next run
hearty sierra
Such is the story of Zag
arctic oasis
but I definitely know I like the eris rail
though I found myself not actually trying to absorb the special blasts after a while
hearty sierra
Yeah, Eris rail is still amazing despite nerfs
arctic oasis
maybe I just need to put more titan blood into it
hearty sierra
Be sure to check pins in #h1-high-heat-strategies for the optimal build
hearty sierra
maybe I just need to put more titan blood into it
Yeah, you're not gonna regret it
spiral breach
what is better more life or more damage]
arctic oasis
so it turns out I am in fact only missing two keepsakes
spiral breach
not always possibke
whole ridge
Huh, that's interesting in regards to the hidden aspects.
polar root
health is nicer if you're newer to the game
spiral breach
what is this heat mechanic
whole ridge
guess I am gonna learn the sword now
cold harbor
can i never use my call again after using a summon or is my game bugged?
polar root
can i never use my call again after using a summon or is my game bugged?
You can't summon twice in the same room
cold harbor
then it's bugged i guess
polar root
you can use call multiple times
cold harbor
i used my summon many rooms ago, and i can't use my call since then
polar root
did you upgrade your summon?
cold harbor
i'm talking about the call
do i need to upgrade the summon to be able to use the call?
whole ridge
Also why is it called a 4th aspect?
brisk trail
nope
polar root
no need
whole ridge
There's 3 on the aspects list
brisk trail
does your god gauge just not charge?
vapid narwhal
summon and call are two different functions
call is a core boon you can acquire during any run
cold harbor
guys
vapid narwhal
usually called [x]'s Aid
cold harbor
thanks for the replies but
hearty sierra
There's 3 on the aspects list
HIDDEN ASPECT oooooo
cold harbor
i am aware of how it's supposed to work I THINK
on this run, ever since i used my summon, i can't use my call EVEN THOUGH my god gauge fills up
hearty sierra
so it is bugged
Are you talking about the companion or the god's call?
brisk trail
that is very odd
cold harbor
and when my god gauge is full it says PRESS R2 TO USE CALL and i can't use it because it says SUMMON UNAVAILABLE
whole ridge
I thought the hidden ones were the ones marked as "Aspect of ???" XD
hearty sierra
After you used the companion, you can't use the call??
vapid narwhal
check your key bindings
cold harbor
yes
vapid narwhal
make sure they are separate
hearty sierra
Yeah sounds like a keybind issue
faint moon
Yeah, are they somehow mapped to the same button?
cold harbor
i never messed with my key bindings
vapid narwhal
R2 is call L2 is summon, they are not supposed to overlap
hearty sierra
WEIRD
faint moon
Very strange
vapid narwhal
did you have custom key binding in the console's accessibility options?
hearty sierra
brisk trail
are you sure you're pressing R2
that sounds condescending af but sometimes you can mess things like that up, i know i do
vapid narwhal
did you use L2 or R2 to use your summon?
what happens if you try to press L2 after using your summon?
cold harbor
i am sure i am pressing the right buttons
hearty sierra
Oh wait f10 doesn't exist on console
cold harbor
right now pressing R2 says "summon unavailable" and pressing L2 does nothing
i am using default keybinds
i'm on pc
arctic oasis
eris rail is becoming a new favorite
hearty sierra
Maybe you could change keybinds?
hearty sierra
eris rail is becoming a new favorite
Gun goes pew pew
eternal marlin
brisk trail
try turning off the controller and using summon with your keyboard?
hearty sierra
it won't let me rebind
That's hyper strange
hearty sierra
Lmao I do
brisk trail
i do
spiral breach
not me
cold harbor
hmmmmmm
spiral breach
controller much better
cold harbor
ok i think this may be some controller-specific issues
hearty sierra
Right click to dash is why I play it on KB+M
arctic oasis
I have a PS4 controller, I'm just too lazy to use it
cold harbor
switching to keyboard now lets me rebind
hearty sierra
Let no one tell you that spacebar is a suitable bind for the best action in the game
eternal marlin
It is.
cold harbor
call does work on kb+m
brisk trail
Let no one tell you that spacebar is a suitable bind for the best action in the ...
it is if you have big freak hands like me
cold harbor
but i dunno if i wanna fight hades on keyboard lol
hearty sierra
Like, what do you guys even use right click for??
spiral breach
how hard is hades
polar root
debatable
hearty sierra
Friggin Special? Cast??
brisk trail
Like, what do you guys even use right click for??
special
polar root
special for sure
spiral breach
i yet to reach him
brisk trail
try dash-special when your special is freaking Q lmao
hearty sierra
how hard is hades
Base hades? Depending on your proficiency, ranges from doable in your sleep to the stuff of your nightmares
eternal marlin
but i dunno if i wanna fight hades on keyboard lol
Ask in #h1-tech-support
hearty sierra
I have my attacks bound to some combination of left click, space and shift
brisk trail
okay but have you tried turning it off and on again
hearty sierra
Depends on the weapon
cold harbor
Ask in <#520430049003044864>
what do i even ask? i think i figured out the issue, seems to be controller related
i have a feeling it's gonna fix itself after this run
eternal marlin
Just report your problem and they'll help fix it. Maybe others will be affected as well.
cold harbor
sure
hearty sierra
try dash-special when your special is freaking Q lmao
The ring finger FIRMLY sticks on the A key for maneuverability
No Q
Left click attack, right click dash is the optimal way to win with zag fists
cold harbor
okay mk+b wasn't so bad
rapid forum
this is my first time seeing someone referring keyboard and mouse with mk+b
cold harbor
i couldn't gift ambrosia either (also r2) but restarting the game fixed it
first time for everything
lol
whole ridge
Well, now to just collect a few aspects to get my first hidden aspect. Thankfully I've cleared all other requirements for it
arctic oasis
that is the fastest I've ever deleted theseus and asterius
hearty sierra
Well, now to just collect a few aspects to get my first hidden aspect. Thankful...
Spear (at max) has to be my favourite hidden aspect
polar root
that is the fastest I've ever deleted theseus and asterius
you'll see how quick you can DELETE theseus later.
hearty sierra
that is the fastest I've ever deleted theseus and asterius
Yeah, rocket launchers do that to Greek weaponry
polar root
no worries
hearty sierra
I mean, imagine how terrifying a gun would be in greek times
ornate dust
I need sleep... sins are a pain...
arctic oasis
zeus + poseidon eris rail with rocket bomb and triple bomb
hearty sierra
BAM you're dead, like zeus struck you down
arctic oasis
it is glorious
polar root
Who needs sleep anyway
hearty sierra
I need sleep... sins are a pain...
2 hours is better than none - just a lil reminder
polar root
You're not wrong
hearty sierra
Even a 30-minute nap can be beneficial
ornate dust
'mm in control of time... doesn't mean everything is magic >.>
hearty sierra
also staying up for 24 hours consecutively makes your brain behave like it's drunk
So try not to do that
ornate dust
Besides... it's all the signaling going on... I need a brain refresh... clear the glitch
hearty sierra
Besides... it's all the signaling going on... I need a brain refresh... clear th...
That you do
rapid forum
BAM you're dead, like zeus struck you down
pretty sure zeus has done a lot more terrible things other than simply thunderstruck someone
but yea
zeus with a gun
hearty sierra
May hypnos guide you to sleep
polar root
ggez
ornate dust
that why i live, and hes dead... only alllowed once in a while
hearty sierra
pretty sure zeus has done a lot more terrible things other than simply thunderst...
Oh, zeus is HORRID in mythology and supergiant made him nice and shiny, don't get me wrong
Most media make him nice and shiny
Obviously Hades is the best god out there in terms of bad things he's done
I think he only cheated once with Minthe?
hearty sierra
Yeah... Zues is a while dog... or its sack...
You're barely literate, man, ya gotta sleep
ornate dust
dont nit pick... it's how you got in hell
cold harbor
hades did nothing wrong
hearty sierra
Hell ain't all that bad - contrary to SG's canon, Asphodel actually isn't full of lava everywhere
hearty sierra
hades did nothing wrong
Hades never did much at all in mythology lmao
rapid forum
Hell ain't all that bad - contrary to SG's canon, Asphodel actually isn't full o...
well cause.. it's not hell.. it's the underworld
hearty sierra
well cause.. it's not hell.. it's the underworld <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Good distinction to make, yeah
ornate dust
He did as much as he needed to... Maintaining hell isnt easy...
hearty sierra
He did as much as he needed to... Maintaining hell isnt easy...
Also is it just me or does it seem like the only god maintaining their realm and actually working is Hades
polar root
BOYSS!!!!!!!
hearty sierra
Poseidon's supposed to be the god of the sea and Zeus the god of the sky
hearty sierra
But they never do paperwork
ornate dust
The other's are stuck in time... talking to themselve...s
hearty sierra
How do I get more blood
Kill furies, kill final boss, exchange
polar root
How do I get more blood
just use different weapons
thorn marsh
beating the game more advancing with the pact
azure osprey
Also I didn’t even beat the game why are the bosses different now
I just got to hades
ornate dust
sort yourselves, i guess >.Ю
polar root
Beating the game is a LOT more efficient
hearty sierra
The other's are stuck in time... talking to themselve...s
Stuck in time??
polar root
pact gud
thorn marsh
beating the game is efficient
cold harbor
How do I get more blood
beat hades
polar root
FACTS!
hearty sierra
Beating the game is a LOT more efficient
Eh, if you're not good enough, ya ain't
thorn marsh
it can net u 20x6 blood
ornate dust
ефдлштп шт ф дщщзююю щге ща дщтуднтуыыююю иге фдыщ тще рфмштп фтнерштп ещ ыфн
thorn marsh
wai
hearty sierra
I like turning off my brain and just playing to farm gemstones
thorn marsh
how many weapons are there?
polar root
Eh, if you're not good enough, ya ain't
well, skill is optional
ornate dust
вуззуты щт нщгк икфштююю ш пгуыыююю
polar root
Eris obsession
azure osprey
Tips against hades
ornate dust
exponential nonsense
arctic oasis
hmm
polar root
Pray to hermes for +3 dashes
hearty sierra
Several tips for ye! Remember his attack patterns
thorn marsh
he only has alot of health if u dont do damage
ornate dust
read up greek lore... very... scary...
hearty sierra
Don't get his cast stuck in you, he applies Boiling Blood just like you do
Kill his floating casts
azure osprey
He has a cast?
arctic oasis
can we not send images in here
hearty sierra
He has a cast?
The green fireball thing is his cast, yes
azure osprey
I never got hit by it
arctic oasis
bummer
thorn marsh
can we not send images in here
post it in victory boasing
hearty sierra
can we not send images in here
Nope, that's for #h1-victory-boasting
arctic oasis
oh right
thorn marsh
and then post it in here
azure osprey
Yeah I noticed them
ornate dust
I'll leave karin to trample their lives >.>
arctic oasis
lol my clear isn't impressive at all compared to what's in that channel
hearty sierra
His health bar has 3 stages and he invuls whenever you clear a stage
azure osprey
But I need tips on good builds or stuff to deal damage
hearty sierra
But I need tips on good builds or stuff to deal damage
Depends on your weapon
What do you like so far
azure osprey
Spear
hearty sierra
Zag spear?
ornate dust
I don't know where i even stand...
azure osprey
It’s super good
polar root
Zag spear?
boom stick
hearty sierra
Ares boon on his special
polar root
nonono dont
thorn marsh
my advice is to\ just slap a nice old tidal dash on it
hearty sierra
Is merciful end the one that hits continuously
azure osprey
Hang over is also good on it
ornate dust
blood is all three elements...
azure osprey
Is merciful end the one that hits continuously
I don’t really know the names
hearty sierra
I don’t really know the names
Look up curse of longing in the codex
thorn marsh
at that point just go merciful end and put doom on attack athena on special and get athena dash
hearty sierra
should be under ares, duo boon
ornate dust
i think... zag is being tuned into a good tool...
hearty sierra
at that point just go merciful end and put doom on attack athena on special and ...
The point is to chip damage - damage avoidance is a good habit to have when you start
azure osprey
You know what’s great
hearty sierra
You can't teach 'em to tank face hits and make them change their playstyle later on
rapid forum
which weapon are we talking about?
azure osprey
Spear
thorn marsh
zag spear
rapid forum
uh
azure osprey
Is there another spear
thorn marsh
3 more
polar root
Is there another spear
B A N A N A
hearty sierra
You'll find out later
thorn marsh
Just one spear
3 more spears though
azure osprey
Are you talking about the upgrades
hearty sierra
It's canonically the same spear
polar root
you're not wrong
ornate dust
just your imagination
azure osprey
With the blood
thorn marsh
see
hearty sierra
Yeah Zeus on cast is better
thorn marsh
probably not bad
ornate dust
zues' shield is good though
thorn marsh
we ant talking zeus shield
hearty sierra
But hey the beauty of roguelites is the experimentation
azure osprey
Casts suck though
thorn marsh
we are talking zag spear
hearty sierra
I don't want to cramp your style
thorn marsh
casts definitely dont suck
azure osprey
The only one I used was the frost cast
thorn marsh
LOL
brisk trail
Amogus
rapid forum
I feel like you can do chain skewer with zeus special
thorn marsh
The only one I used was the frost cast
that cast requires a build around it to be good
ornate dust
cast can be good... takes some effort, though...
rapid forum
but a. idk whether it'll proc multiple times, b. chain skewer
azure osprey
I feel like you can do chain skewer with zeus special
That’s what I do
Wait no
I use the other one
hearty sierra
cast can be good... takes some effort, though...
That's the first reasonable thing you said in the past 5 minutes, good job!
rapid forum
vicious skewer?
ornate dust
I am not your pet >.>
rapid forum
well here's the thing. 50% damage is for the base damage, unrelated to zeus boon.
it won't buff it
hearty sierra
Exploding launcher, though
thorn marsh
exploding launcher is so amazing
ornate dust
still not your pet
thorn marsh
exploding + charged is so nice
rapid forum
you can't use exploding launcher with vicious skewer
hearty sierra
Now that's one heck of a Daedalus upgrade
azure osprey
well here's the thing. 50% damage is for the base damage, unrelated to zeus boon...
Still
ornate dust
i guess...
azure osprey
50% is crazy
hearty sierra
Get this: charged skewer is 200%
rapid forum
if you want to use vicious skewer, I recommend something like artemis, aprho, demeter
thorn marsh
because 50% base damage doesnt effect zeus or doom
rapid forum
the ones that buff your special base damage
azure osprey
What about achillies
hearty sierra
What about achillies
What about him?
ornate dust
Too soon for boring number crunching, and childish bickering. Off to greener pasture >.>
azure osprey
What about him?
Aspect of achillies
ornate dust
...?... He's fine
azure osprey
Any specific build for that
ornate dust
not really into it...
hearty sierra
Aspect of achillies
You can play it as an attack or cast oriented build
thorn marsh
hunting blades or crystal clarity work great on it
hearty sierra
Also tidal dash works for every build, not just achilles spear
ornate dust
i like the water gun build...
hearty sierra
I struggle to think of a build that DOESN'T want an epic/heroic tidal dash
ornate dust
just something thats gun for specific moment
thorn marsh
that optimal build for damage is tidal dash > flurry jab > zeus attack ONLY if natural in tart > force zeus again for jolted >. Alternate build with no natural zeus in tart is Tidal dash > flurry jab > ARTEMIS attack > hunters mark
ornate dust
Play the game, and find out... Might hint the right way...
"right"
It all depends on what you want to try, and which lore path you want to explore
thorn marsh
wdym lore path
ornate dust
I used everything in Hades as a starting point, and the slight hints toward the dark past...
hearty sierra
@azure osprey have you unlocked the entire mirror yet?
ornate dust
on you
azure osprey
<@!558769189305974815> have you unlocked the entire mirror yet?
I’m missing like
7 keys
To unlock the last 2
But I fully upgrade everything else excluding the revives
ornate dust
Just try to learn... the connections between characters are more important...
The set up a good foundation for the game
hearty sierra
Death Defiances are pretty key to beat hades, yeah
But the last mirror upgrade, Fated Persuasion, allows you to refresh your set of 3 boons when you pick
So having that will be very much helpful to get the builds you want
ornate dust
and...?... I didn't care for those... just wanted to turn a laser into a water gun...
brisk trail
you can def beat the game before unlocking the whole mirror but some talents help * a lot*
ornate dust
or the other way around...?...
brisk trail
so if ur struggling just focus on the mirror upgrades
ornate dust
i hope my data is there...
arctic oasis
get those death defiances
hearty sierra
you can def beat the game before unlocking the whole mirror but some talents hel...
Yep, I adore Gods' Legacy for this exact reason and hesitate to make a new file
brisk trail
dark foresight is insane
hearty sierra
raise your chances of getting a duo boon by 10%? Optimal build, here I come
hearty sierra
dark foresight is insane
That, too - man, I can't believe I played with Olympian favor for so long
ornate dust
I'll recover my password another day...
they drained me to zero... to fix some curse...
hearty sierra
I feel like the only people who would use Ruthless Reflex (the counterpart to Greater Reflex, which gives +1 dash) would be speedrun record holders
+50% damage along with all the other damage modifiers must be insane
brisk trail
im pretty sure runners use double dash
ornate dust
i liked playing a bit of a soccer game with rats, and poseidon's dash
I'm just using some random build
rapid forum
I feel like the only people who would use Ruthless Reflex (the counterpart to Gr...
or gilgamesh run
ornate dust
Lot of liked lore everywhere, and the game wants eploration
rapid forum
but dash strike is too powerful to pass up
ornate dust
usually just want to try some duo, get lore, and then do something else... not dedicated to this game... that why youre here...
hearty sierra
Sucks that it has to be dash attack, though
It's a habit I never got around to learning, dash attacking
ornate dust
...?...
hearty sierra
Maybe that's why I suck at bow
ornate dust
its a hacking thing, i think...\
rapid forum
there's a certain rhythm to bow
brisk trail
hacking thing?
ornate dust
hard light
rapid forum
once you got it, it's a smooth breeze of flying pointy sticks onto the enemy
ornate dust
I see...
hearty sierra
Idk the wind-up usually kills me
rapid forum
you don't always have to power shot
hearty sierra
But muh damage!
ornate dust
mhmm...
rapid forum
if you die, you can't kill the enemy
hearty sierra
Seriously, the hidden aspect spear is better than the bow as a ranged weapon for this reason
rapid forum
then again, the enemy can't kill you if they're dead
hearty sierra
then again, the enemy can't kill you if they're dead
Exactly
thorn marsh
I feel like the only people who would use Ruthless Reflex (the counterpart to Gr...
nah most records still use +1 dash
ornate dust
sssSsshunt
dragged it... long enough...
i guess thats how dragon slayers happen...
SLH...?
thorn marsh
I feel like the only people who would use Ruthless Reflex (the counterpart to Gr...
the most primary run category known as any heat wr is uses greatest reflex
32 heat wr uses it to my knowledge
polar root
I'm gonna victory boast something, you're gonna see how to DELETE things in Hades.
ornate dust
Do you really want me to do the whole spell thing... lol
polar root
well I
hearty sierra
Maybe TAS could use Ruthless Reflex
ornate dust
Let them set their own vibe... that's why you can change the colors...
brisk trail
theres 2 problems: it breaks dash strike combos and traversing is faster with 2 dashes
also the damage bonus only activates when you dodge an attack
and in speedruns you kill a lot of enemies before they attack
ornate dust
not the threesome i imagined...
polar root
Well.
ornate dust
I'm just here to water them...
hearty sierra
and in speedruns you kill a lot of enemies before they attack
True, no other way sub-6 could happen
ornate dust
ive been caged long enough to fine with anything...
hearty sierra
If there's a mod that deletes all the animations, it'd probably be sub-5
thorn marsh
wdym deletes all the animations?
ornate dust
cant delete imagination... shouldn't...
vapid narwhal
So they instantly spawn
vapid narwhal
Removing the spawning animation
thorn marsh
that
ornate dust
then you'll be seeing a shadow... and that might lead you to hell...
thorn marsh
that would probably make most runners slower LOL
hearty sierra
Lernie invul, tis invul, etc
ornate dust
even lazier than I >.>
hearty sierra
Lotta invul animations in the game
thorn marsh
removing boss phasing animations probably wouldnt make it sub 5 i dont think
ornate dust
man, everyone need to shutup with their codes...
just got here...
see me in person.. if you dare...
senzu beans... anyone?...
brisk trail
uh..
polar root
senzu beans like...... from dbz?
arctic oasis
I love lightning rod
azure osprey
Why is the game expecting me to get a billion gems???
I just got the bench thing
These things cost so many gems
hearty sierra
I just got the bench thing
Bench wha?
vapid narwhal
Why is it Battie?
hearty sierra
Lmao is the question really "why"?
The correct answer is because meg shows up the most often
arctic oasis
haha yeah it's battie
also can I just appreciate nyx for a moment
nyx is the best
mint coral
My first companion was skelly 
onyx aspen
arctic oasis
what's the best way to get darkness quickly
thorn marsh
you see dat weapon with the menacing black aura around it
that changes everytime
play that and just play the game collecting as much darkness as u can
hearty sierra
what's the best way to get darkness quickly
Play on 0 heat, always pick up darkness, always fish, look for poseidon boons, look for chaos boons that grant more darkness
And what banana said
lone tree
Does the wretched broker ever trade darkness?
hearty sierra
Does the wretched broker ever trade darkness?
They do, though the trades are often unfavourable
You'd be better off doing what I suggested
lone tree
right
hearty sierra
For a comprehensive list, be sure to check the wili!
lone tree
How often does anybody use skelly's tooth? I've never used anything else
stoic flame
you can also buy darkness
stoic flame
How often does anybody use skelly's tooth? I've never used anything else
i used to use it in early game but now there is a better alternative
lone tree
i used to use it in early game but now there is a better alternative
And what is that?
lone tree
I have it but never use it. What does it do?
stoic flame
it neglects 5 hits from bosses
thorn marsh
beneficial to what?
lone tree
I mean that fits most playstyles
hearty sierra
I LIKE SPEAR
rapid ridge
I like the spear because you can mix distance with in your face combat
hearty sierra
Lmao that's what I repeat to everyone who asks that question
lone tree
Wow, that is the weapon I use at all times... Varatha is the best I guess (for me)
hearty sierra
But generally just play what you like! All of the weapons are able to beat anything below 15 heat, I'd say
thorn marsh
Wow, that is the weapon I use at all times... Varatha is the best I guess (for m...
there's no best
all weapons have their pro's and cons
wise oasis
But generally just play what you like! All of the weapons are able to beat anyth...
all weapons can easily do 20 tbh
rapid ridge
It is about play style
thorn marsh
some weapons do stuff better than others vice versa
wise oasis
took me one try for each to get 20 heat on all weps
thorn marsh
But generally just play what you like! All of the weapons are able to beat anyth...
all weapons can do 32 all the way to maybe 50
thorn marsh
there's definitely a best build for that... right?
for speedrunning yes for casual play no
some mirror options are just flat out better than others though
for example dark foresight vs olympian favor
rapid ridge
for speedrunning yes for casual play no
what about for not dying?
thorn marsh
dark foresight is just better
rapid ridge
@lone tree did you get an answer that was acceptable?
thorn marsh
what about for not dying?
just get 3 death defiances
its fine
HELL YEAH I JUST GOT A CALL ABOUT MY CARS EXTENDED WARRANTY
lone tree
<@!796398900817821727> did you get an answer that was acceptable?
Very much so
hearty sierra
all weapons can do 32 all the way to maybe 50
32 is a challenge for me so perhaps I'm just a filthy casual
rapid ridge
(I derailed a bit with the mirror comment)
hearty sierra
what about for not dying?
Generally you have to have the +50 health and "recovery equal to 60% of darkness you pick up"