#h1-discussion

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lilac swallow
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Yes, the elysium bosses, and Hades. Everytime I arrive at Hades, I'm with little life resources, due to the fight against Elysium bosses

stable glen
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I'm thinking a heart rend with artemis attack and passion dash might work

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and HM

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HM is one of the best non duo/legendary boons, it can carry a whole build

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I've had it carry builds that had nothing to do with artemis just because I got an epic pressure points

crude surge
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Marking hades by attacking his supports is so nice

high island
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Heartbreak Flourish + Curse of Agony and Curse of Longing.

modern garnet
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You'll get better at the elysium boss over time. The bull attacks are fairly predictable and you'll be dodging them consistently as you keep playing

high island
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Divine Strike + Deadly Flourish > Deadly Reversal. Also Support Fire and Hunter's Mark, ideally. Both Divine Dash and Hunter Dash are fine.

stable glen
crude surge
# lilac swallow Yes, the elysium bosses, and Hades. Everytime I arrive at Hades, I'm with little...

In the wise words of pp man

kill the bull first, learn attack patterns, use the pillars to avoid taking damage, make sure bull is dead before you get theseus to his second phase, when you see a pink crosshair on you that means that theseus is gonna throw his spear at you, after he throws his spear he will turn around which means you can attack him, when he is in his second phase you should spend more time dodging the things he summons

high island
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Drunken Strike, Deadly Flourish, Passion Dash and get all of their Duo Boons.

stable glen
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Remember that you can dash through the pillars to stun asterius when he chases you and hide from theseus' spears

stable glen
high island
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That's stretching it but sure lol.

river vigil
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wait

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nvm

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zeus

stable glen
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Zeus based

river vigil
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didmt read it

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sorry

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lmao

stable glen
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I'm stick of him by now

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all good

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That's what I usually do

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it's the most consistent

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For my zeus fists builds

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I also like getting artemis in elysium or even earlier

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for support fire and/or HM

stable glen
high island
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Sure.

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Drunken Strike is very good on Eris, especially for high heat.

stable glen
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My zeus fists builds usually involve thunder strike/zeus' aid -> static discharge -> stormlightning/double strike -> splitting bolt and heartbreak flourish -> smoldering air -> billowing strength

high island
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Yeah, that's the general idea.

high island
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Lightning Strike + Deadly Flourish + Tidal Dash is also somewhat popular.

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I'd take Long Knuckle.

stable glen
high island
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Yeah, I don't like it.

stable glen
high island
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Well, mainly just for the high damage. But Support Fire is always good.

stable glen
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I'm intending to get aphro in asphodel

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Should I go drunken dash to get the dionysus aphro duo or his aid for the zeus aphro duo

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idk how strong his call is

high island
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Weren't you going for "not Lord Zeus"?

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Dionysus' Aid is great.

stuck sentinel
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im pretty sure his call is good, not too sure tho

river vigil
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dio call is good, just dont do the max call

high island
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Best Call for DPS.

stable glen
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Okay.

high island
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Although Zeus' Aid can go higher with t2 boons and Splitting Bolt.

stuck sentinel
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zeus does that

stable glen
high island
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Well, and there's Hades' Aid, of course.

stable glen
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I'll take the call

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Is it worth getting a common SD

high island
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Drunken Dash works better on aspects that dash away from enemies than aspects that mainly dash towards enemies.

stable glen
high island
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Please don't call it SD. We don't need another initialism in the community that's also an initialism for another thing. courte5Ohno

stable glen
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then again, i dash through em with malphon at the end of the combo

nocturne mirage
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got dat aspect of lucifer as my first hidden

stable glen
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I thought the spear was 1st

nocturne mirage
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i meant the first one that i actually purchased

stable glen
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mb

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idk, I feel like i've been screwing myself over every time I get a common boon I need but am sad it's common

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sometimes it works out

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and sometimes it don't

high island
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Common Jolted is fine. You could roll for higher rarity or Billowing, maybe Storm Lightning or High Voltage or Electric Shot.

high island
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Like, there's gonna be something decent to pick if you roll.

stable glen
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prayers pls

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sigh, epic thunder flourish only

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common static it is

high island
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What was the third option?

stable glen
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common vengance

high island
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I don't think common Jolted is too bad, you can just put a couple poms on it.

stable glen
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Why does she do this to me

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like

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why

stable glen
stable glen
crude surge
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I mean what other two things share initials

high island
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What's "HM"? thanthink

crude surge
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Me bad at phrasing things

river vigil
stable glen
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there's multiple HMs?

high island
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Well, there's Hell Mode.

stable glen
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oh mb

modern garnet
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Had Minfluence

stable glen
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what

high island
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Hivine Mash.

stable glen
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stop.

high island
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Hightning Mtrike.

crude surge
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Erciful Mnd

stable glen
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holdering mair

high island
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It's Smoldering Air.

stable glen
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oh, I English very well

crude surge
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Reart Hend

stable glen
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Nyaanyaa, you know any good beowulf builds?

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I wanted to try it

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People sing its praises all the time

high island
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I would hope so. I had high heat WR with Beowulf in Early Access.

stable glen
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oooh, nice

high island
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You build Beowulf pretty much the same way you build Hera.

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Passion Flare with Mirage Shot and/or Snow Burst.

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Just that Mirage Shot has higher priority on Beowulf because it's bugged and does 100% damage instead of 30% if your Cast is a Flare.

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You can also take Flood Shot and look for the same things for an easier route to Mirage Shot and even larger AOE, but the base damage and pom scaling of Flood Shot isn't as good as Passion Flare.

crude surge
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Flood Flare is also good to more consistently get mirage

high island
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Trippy Flare with Stygian Soul for the highest base damage is also an option, but you'll be relying on getting +1 ammo from Master Chaos or from Wells of Charon.

crude surge
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But pash flare is meta

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Dio Beo is love

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Dio Beo is life

nocturne mirage
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i have now learned that aspect of lucifer is better than sex

high island
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All three of those builds are meta. Passion Flare is the tried-and-true since release, Trippy Flare was always there, too, and Flood Flare is a little more recent than those two but also very common.

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The #1 build in Early Access, though, was Charged Flight + Heartbreak Flourish + Zeus' Aid, which almost entirely ignores the Attack and Cast in favor of the Special.

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Charged Flight did +400% base damage at the time instead of +200% now.

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The build was totally broken then, and it was obviously nerfed a lot, but it's still actually very effective.

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Zeus' Aid for Smoldering Air, of course.

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Although getting the Call and Duo Boon wasn't necessary. It just made it even stronger.

radiant rampart
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am I just dumb or are the little explody chariots really hard to deal with using fists?

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doing dio strike and aphro flourish to clear some duos on the prophecy list and those rooms mess me up bad

modern garnet
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When you're at short range like that, it's real hard to punch em to death

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I like to just run them into walls instead

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They move exactly like a certain charging bull

radiant rampart
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hmm alright thanks, good idea

high island
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If you don't have Deflect, don't engage them with Malphon.

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The armored Flame Wheels should be fine to engage with a bit of caution.

chrome yoke
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I am so addicted to this game

granite plinth
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what is jolted called on ello's dps mod?

void vigil
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The ranks are actually the last thing I have left to do in the game. I’m missing about 300,000 darkness to get them, I have all the other resources. I wonder how long it will take to farm that much darkness…

stable glen
void vigil
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i am kind of way past that time lol

stable glen
maiden raven
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just beat heat 32

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extreme measures hades was something else lol

glossy remnant
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lmao

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and I am happy if I beat heat 3 (just normal game, 7 min / region)

stable glen
stable glen
glossy remnant
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I know, this is old.
But did they not? Is that not the plot that Juliet did, woke up and then killed herself for real after seeing romeos body?

stiff trellis
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Juliet did in fact have a death defy, but it was stubborn defiance so she only had the one until she went to the next room

cobalt kiln
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how in the river of styx do i get the last spear upgrade

crude surge
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the hidden aspect?

high island
cobalt kiln
crude surge
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then yeah what Nyaayaa said

cobalt kiln
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also why am i missing a god i dont have hades on the list but he is not helping me so i am lost

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bow sucks ass

crude surge
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bow is hard to use

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also I think the missing god your refering to is firt encountered the run after you first reach the final boss

cobalt kiln
brisk trail
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bow good just do dash strikes

cobalt kiln
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why is there a gun in this game

crude surge
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why not

cobalt kiln
crude surge
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we dont know their secrets squirtdevious

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the characters say it was just too dangerous to be put out in the world

cobalt kiln
median fox
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can you do anything else with ambrosia other than just use it for trades?

high island
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You can gift it to characters later on.

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Early hearts are Nectar, later hearts are Ambrosia.

brisk trail
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and also upgrading something youll get later

high island
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The most important uses are gifting them all to Lady Aphodite and unlocking her theme from the House Contractor. courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

median fox
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ooo

high island
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Like this.

median fox
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is aphrodite's theme really that good?

void vigil
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i like it, i use it all the time

river vigil
keen rose
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ares the best boon

glass herald
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Hi. I've been working on online boon chart for all the major prerequisites and relationships. I'm still tweaking things, but I think its far enough along to see if makes sense to anybody else.

thorn marsh
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looks cool

maiden raven
stable glen
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Makes sense

cedar nexus
chrome yoke
chrome yoke
cobalt kiln
cobalt kiln
cedar nexus
cobalt kiln
cedar nexus
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What's the world speedrun record?

raw herald
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5:49 unseeded, 3:46 seeded/routed

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The 5:49 uses aspect of Achilles, and the 3:46 uses aspect of Beowulf

brisk trail
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how on earth do you get 3 minutes??

signal aspen
# brisk trail how on earth do you get 3 minutes??

Before anything else, a huge thank you to paradigmsort and cgull for creating and refining this route. With this run we finally have a faster routed time post-release than we had during early access. The previous all-time routed WR was my 3:51 Nemesis run from the Blood Price update, and the post-release record before this route was 4:25 by Sata...

▶ Play video
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it was a routed run

brisk trail
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ima stay with my comfy 20min

crude surge
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Keep in mind routed is basically perfect rng

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Also why are you Muck now

signal aspen
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Muck

south lagoon
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3:46 thats insane wtf

hardy oasis
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it's been a bajillion years since i last speedran hades and it's already down to sub-4:00

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i feel guilty for not continuing to go turbo fast after i got my first sub-10

raw herald
# brisk trail how on earth do you get 3 minutes??

By manipulating the RNG so that everything is exactly what you want, this includes room rewards, room layout, enemy type etc. You only need to do 4 Tartarus combat chambers, and one combat chamber in both Asphodel and Elysium, and with the insane builds you get, you can one-shot boss phases. The rest is just good movement in-between chambers, which is helped by the +3 dashes early on.

dusky wedge
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Oh, it’s actually seeded

signal aspen
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yeah

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its not possible to get 7 chaos gates lmao

dusky wedge
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I thought it was new Unseeded WR

raw herald
hardy oasis
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o

brisk trail
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that makes sense

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otherwise world records would be kinda pointless with how much rng is involved

dusky wedge
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Would be surprised if someone breaks the record without this channel not blowing up lol

raw herald
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Tbh, the SGG servers don't blow up, the speedrunning servers do

hollow thunder
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The route where Zagreus, Thanatos, and Megaera end up in a polygamous relationship is canon

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You will never change my mind

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Okay, I get that what is canon is whatever you want to be

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But I don't care

chrome yoke
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i dont think its canon tbh

dusky wedge
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I thought it is canon? Lol

hollow kettle
south lagoon
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i interpreted zag + than + meg as the "true" route but greatly appreciated the "either way, it will be ok" options

mint coral
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em4 hades just summoned 2 butterfly balls and i suck with poseidon aspect
im ded

hollow kettle
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Man I freaking cried at that, I wanted to turn Meg down because I wasn't entirely comfortable with how,,, intense her and Zag's side of the relationship is but I was afraid of ruining their relationship the way back to it was before but then the game literally read my mind and broke the fourth wall to assure me it would be ok and I 🥺

south lagoon
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i ended up going with both but was def considering turning down Meg bc she is not my type (lol) and i was worried about my boy than. if "either way, it will be ok" wasn't there i might've turned her down if only bc i wasn't sure if it'd affect him and zag. but everything was indeed ok cMellow

void vigil
# cobalt kiln why is there a gun in this game

From one of the newsletters: “we got to thinking about a legendary artifact so sinister that the Olympians discarded it in the depths of Tartarus, after using it to defeat the titans. It would have the ferocity of the gryphon of Greek myth…” so basically why not but this is the canon reason

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I personally romanced all options because I wanted to see all the content in the game haha

hollow kettle
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I did just Than in my first playthrough but did both of them in my second for the same reason

south lagoon
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i was planning to do Meg in a second playthrough if i turned her down in my first but realistically i am not sure i would've gotten that far

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i am historically bad at making any progress in second save files

hollow kettle
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me who went all the way through to the epilogue in two and started a third lmao

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I just love this game so much

dusky wedge
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In my playthrough, I got on the Meg relationship pretty early, so it feel like a no brainer to me, and then, hundreds of hours later, Than happened. It happened so late, I think it was right before epilogue

void vigil
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yeah I did not go very far in any of my “second” save files, I love being overpowered too much and I’m too attached to my first save file. As long as I still have something to do on it, even if it’s just grinding darkness for ranks…

dusky wedge
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Of course I did check up on the internet and well, I just go through with both for the sake of completion

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My second save (hell mode), is still stuck at 12 runs, and I can’t bring myself to go and run that save instead of my main one

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Like, I don’t have that push or motivation to do it again lol

chrome yoke
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what does hell mode change

dusky wedge
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5 heat from the get go

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4 selected from the pact as it is now and 1 extra special condition

chrome yoke
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whats that condition then

dusky wedge
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You aren’t protected from continuous burst damage anymore

void vigil
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It removed the shield you get when you take massive damage, so you can pretty much die in one hit

dusky wedge
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There’s a hidden mechanic in the game, where it protects you from bursts damage

chrome yoke
dusky wedge
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If you get hit by big damage continuously, yeah

chrome yoke
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FINALLY

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artemis and ares RNG is such a pain

stoic flame
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woot

dusky wedge
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Let it rip

chrome yoke
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i love to see my enemies melt

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I just WRECKED asterius & theseus

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3/3 death defiances shadesmile

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hades time

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will this be the run?

south lagoon
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good luck!!!

amber kraken
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Im kinda dissapointed that after many fights between Asterius and the other guy there still is only the one good shade and not a group of them. Surely some other good shades would become fans of zag

chrome yoke
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I DEFEATED HIM

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OMG

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FIRST TIME EVER

stoic flame
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poggers

amber kraken
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also I want to give nectar to the good shade. He deserves it

signal aspen
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Nice

chrome yoke
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oki!

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Awh.. that was a really nice cutscene with ||Persephone||

manic bobcat
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does anyone know if you can preorder Hades as a gift for PS5?

chrome yoke
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is Damage Control a good first heat

stuck sentinel
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eh

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its kinda annoying

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id say probably jury summons

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or extremem measures 1

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just to start getting used to it

south lagoon
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damage control is easy start if youre using something with a lot of quick attacks like exagryph

chrome yoke
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Died to charon in tartarus pog

chrome yoke
south lagoon
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i started with it n think it's fine

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extreme measures is also fun start

stuck sentinel
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it depends on the weapon

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its annoying for somethings like meg only doing 1 damage vs heroes

chrome yoke
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when does the second heart for hades unlock, 10 clears?

signal aspen
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Yeah

hard pawn
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@chrome yoke do not use damage control lol

chrome yoke
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im using extreme measures now

hard pawn
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1-4?

chrome yoke
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is the 300 coin ''borrow'' from charon permanently there now

hard pawn
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Its gonna be there sometimes

south lagoon
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it's random

chrome yoke
hard pawn
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Optional boss fighr

chrome yoke
hard pawn
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Then slowly turn down the timer

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That can keep u up till like heat 16? I think ido

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5:00 minute per region and em3 is 16 right? or is it 12

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Hmmm

chrome yoke
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what lmao

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im just focusing on 1 heat rn

hard pawn
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Yeah and am tellin u what u can do lol

chrome yoke
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extreme measures

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1

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it sounds fun

hard pawn
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9:00 per region is worth 1 heat

chrome yoke
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yeah ik but im already busy with em1 now

hard pawn
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Lol whatchu usin

raw herald
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Extreme measures 1 is a tiny difficulty increase, especially when compared to something like heightened security

hard pawn
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They just finished their first run lol

chrome yoke
hard pawn
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Which aspect and what boons ur tryna get

chrome yoke
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just zag stygian blade, going for hunting blades

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but im getting a lot of dash slash boons

hard pawn
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hunting blades

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Thats my favourite build

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But i use achilles spear lol

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Way better suited than zag sword

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U should try get ir

chrome yoke
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i like zag sword

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and i like NEVER use the special for spear

stoic flame
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💀

hard pawn
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Its probably the weakest aspect in the game

chrome yoke
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cool!

hard pawn
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Just sayin

chrome yoke
hard pawn
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Never using the special for spear doesnt mean u never can

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150% cast damage per cast is

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Very gud w hunting bladez

raw herald
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Yeah, theres pretty much no reason to use zag sword for cast builds

stoic flame
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is it just me or FO1 is just barely noticable

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it feels like free 3 heat to me

chrome yoke
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EM 1 was pretty easy, very fun

hard pawn
chrome yoke
stoic flame
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yes

hard pawn
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U will notice it if u put other pacts

stoic flame
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perhaps

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im at the 5-7 heat level rn

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but im playing so much dead cells these days hades just doesnt get played

hard pawn
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U dash and u get a rush that does that

hard pawn
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Thats why its very good for cast builds like hunting blades

chrome yoke
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that would be a lot of getting used to specials though

hard pawn
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Not really

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Its way better than normal spear throw

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Its like a charged dash

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Gives so much mobility and is very intuitive

chrome yoke
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for now im just saving up titan blood, too scared to spend it on anything yet

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i have 6 however

hard pawn
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Keep savin'

chrome yoke
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EM1 only changes fury's right

south lagoon
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yes

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em2 does furies + hydra, em3 does furies hydra theseus, em4 hades

chrome yoke
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hades buff does not sound very pleasant

south lagoon
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also seconding practicing Achilles special, the buff is cool n mobility is pretty fun

signal aspen
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60 heat has been done twice

chrome yoke
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jezus

signal aspen
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64 has been done but it was a routed run

chrome yoke
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64 exists?

signal aspen
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yeah

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you can get 63 in normal mode

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64 in hell mode

chrome yoke
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POG!

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first room in Elysium

signal aspen
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nice

chrome yoke
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god its so 🦆 ing op

raw herald
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As you increase the heat linearly, difficulty increases exponentially

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So the jump from 25-30 heat is so much easier than the jump from 50-55 heat

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Which makes those 60 heat completions really impressive

chrome yoke
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thesues and asterius absolutely ripped to shreds

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hunting blades more like instant win

signal aspen
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damn

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all i needed to win my 50 heat run was hunting blades

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thanks kiwibird

chrome yoke
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lmao

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300 HP, 3 Death defiances, a LOT of boons and hunting blades, hades is going down

hard pawn
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Thanks for the advice kiwi, i was on my 64 heat run and I just beat the world record thanks to this enlightening advice

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Madman

chrome yoke
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Hades is dead. Second clear ever

hard pawn
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Ez

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Tell mom i said high

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Also enjoy the sunrises as much as you can, you won't be seeing them for very long

chrome yoke
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its almost like hades is starting to show respect

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saying that it wont be long before our private meeting, essentially implying that he knows zag can do it

south lagoon
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only begrudgingly

cyan tiger
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high

south lagoon
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howdy

lilac swallow
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Can someone send me a printout of the full codex in the artifacts part?

shadow kernel
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SUB 10

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SUB 10

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I DID IT

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LETS GOOOOOOO

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So many runs at 10:20

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10:30

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Etc

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FINALLY

unborn remnant
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dub

shadow kernel
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Eris with cluster rockets is a war crime

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Artemis cluster rockets no less

void vigil
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or the descriptions for each artifact

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for the descriptions you can check the wiki

lilac swallow
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In my codex I only have ambrosia, nectar and diamond. How do I get the missing artifacts?

cerulean ferry
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Loyalty card is from || fighting Charon || and you get the onion when you fail an Erebus gate

lilac swallow
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thxx

steep bobcat
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Ok so i started to do more runs with aspect of zues

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And it's slowly becoming my favorite

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Still gotta unlock the other hidden aspects tho

plush dock
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i just got exclusive access before i came out of tartarus

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i'm ELATED

cedar nexus
dense mist
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chamber 6, shall i try to take on charon?

cedar nexus
dense mist
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passion dash and dash nova ^^

steep bobcat
dense mist
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and strong drink but that doesnt matter

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imma try it not much to loose

cedar nexus
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6 chamber yeah

dense mist
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dam it got him to 3/8 of his hp nearly

keen rose
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sup

nocturne mirage
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is eternal chamber on lucifer worth it?

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it sacrifices the damage ramp

modern garnet
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Depends on your attack i think

shadow kernel
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Why is than bad for speed running? It freezes the timer in than rooms so surely it’d be better than a regular room

signal aspen
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It's bad for RTA Speedrunning I think

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But really good for IGT speedruns

shadow kernel
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Ah

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Ok

sick socket
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I wish there was a chanel just to thanks the dev. carb_hearts

nocturne mirage
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wow, only lost 73 health total in the theseus and asterius fight. best i've done on that battle

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and the damage was mostly cause the closer they came to death, the more reckless i got

shadow kernel
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Playing with aspect of Achilles for the first time feels so awkward

plush dock
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i just got a fountain chamber after getting hydralite gold

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why

crude surge
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Pain

shadow kernel
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Well hey on the bright side it’s back to back free rooms

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Also how hasn’t tidal dash been nerfed yet it’s the best boon in the game for speedrunning

vale moss
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divine dash is better for safety

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much better

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also tidal isn't that amazing for beowulf, which is one of the 3 fastest aspects, probably

hearty bramble
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Is anyone able to consistently beat Charon?

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I have like 100+ clears and still get whooped by him most of the time

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those 60dmg hits hurt 😭

thorn marsh
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its just quite good

river vigil
nocturne mirage
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i've beaten hades 3 times now, and still haven't found the opportunity to fight charon. i know it doesn't appear in shops right before the boss

river vigil
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his atks are pretty telegraphed so it should be at the very least just annoying if you're fughting him once youre at aspho or elysium

glass pollen
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Hello guys, does multipliers for room rewards stack or it's multiplicative

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for exemple is it 20%*65% or it's 20%+65%

vale moss
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oh dear god

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I just barely lost on a 50 heat beowulf run

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and realized I hadn't been recording

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so now I'm glad I died lmao

glass pollen
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just do 64 heat run

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smh

faint glacier
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i just beat my first run of hades on attempt 18, can someone tell me if thats good or not because i dont know

hearty bramble
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took me like 50 lol

glass pollen
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depends if you played rogue like before

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i won very early

faint glacier
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oh ok damn

hearty bramble
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I played binding of Isaac before and it still took me 50 attempts lil

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Lol*

glass pollen
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idk i just spam my keyboard to victory every time stacking hp

faint glacier
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i played dungeon a bit before but i was awful at it

glass pollen
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gungeon is hard

river vigil
faint glacier
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ok thank you

glass pollen
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so do you guys know how end of room multipliers work ?

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it's 65%+20% or 65%*20%

faint glacier
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i dont know sorry

south lagoon
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18 is very good btw. i was 60 lol

nocturne mirage
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how many times will i be able to go to greece before it becomes inaccessible? the wiki just says it's once i complete the main story, but i don't exactly know what that means

high island
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If it's like +50% obols and +30% obols, that kind of stuff is all additive.

nocturne mirage
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finally got to fight charon. it was in tartarus tho and after i decided to pick up the twin fists for the first time in forever. didn't end well lol

craggy tundra
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I regularly. regularly beat Hades.

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And...I just got absolutely wrecked by Lernie

nocturne mirage
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Got some unlucky combinations of the little heads?

thorn marsh
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u ever just get blue heads + 4 purple heads on achilles and just die

nocturne mirage
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i hate the spawner heads the most

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well, if there's more than one

craggy tundra
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I think I need to readjust the layout of my heat

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I'm on 11 and struggling

nocturne mirage
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i feel like i usually seem to have a harder time with theseus+asterius than i do with hades. like after i get out of elysium, i feel relieved af. anyone else have this experience?

craggy tundra
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I used to? But I think I've got those two down now

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As long as I don't have extreme measures on for them

nocturne mirage
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i think it might be a focus thing. cause while i'm focusing on asterius, i'm also having to dodge the spear and watch theseus. and if you lose focus on either, a quarter of your health is gone

craggy tundra
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That is true!

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What weapon do you use?

thorn marsh
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if u kill them before they kill u they cant kill u

nocturne mirage
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adamant rail is my best, but i'm trying to branch out. still don't know how to deal with them with the melee weps lol

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with aspect of lucifer they're much easier of course lol

craggy tundra
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Ah, I only use Varatha so

thorn marsh
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fellow achilles user

craggy tundra
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Achilles all the way

thorn marsh
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👀

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achilles is my 2nd best weapon although i have a better time on it than hera

craggy tundra
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It's the only weapon I've beaten Hades on

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I'm alright at Aegis but

thorn marsh
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shield is wack

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hera is where its at

mint coral
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beo shield is fun aSkyRolllll

nocturne mirage
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i have achiles. maybe i'll give it a whirl

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i'm a lil' trash at base spear tho

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like not complete trash, but a lil

thorn marsh
mint coral
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idk, why do i hate hera Suiyounarun

thorn marsh
craggy tundra
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...it took me. To my FINAL death defiance. AND the VERY END BEFORE BOSS. And 4 of each Athena and Ares boons

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to get

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Merciful End

toxic steeple
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does nyx’s favor only require nyx’s locked heart to activate, or anything else? It’s been a couple runs since I gave her all the nectar and still haven’t gotten the prompt for the eldest sigil

nocturne mirage
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nyx still hasn't given me the other set of mirror upgrades, and i'm starting to hate her as a result

thorn marsh
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nyx cant give u mirror upgrades?

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can she?

mint coral
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the green side of the mirror ig?

nocturne mirage
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yeh

craggy tundra
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'bout to get wrecked by Hades yo

thorn marsh
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isnt that auto unlocked?

mint coral
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i know she mentions that "your mirror grown stronger" or something like that but SuiShrug

manic bobcat
nocturne mirage
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it's unlocked by talking to her with a minimum of 300 darkness according to the wiki

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and afaik, she hasn't given it to me yet. unless she did and i just overlooked it

thorn marsh
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probably check the mirror and see if u can switch it

nocturne mirage
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if i've been missing out on the green side while having it this whole time, imma scream

sudden peak
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ok, what is that Chord progression at 2:37 in ||"in the blood"||? I NEED TO KNOW, IT'S AMAZING

chrome wharf
nocturne mirage
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🙃

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i feel like i need to apologize to nyx personally now for hating on her for no reason

craggy tundra
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Aaand it isn't working

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why

nocturne mirage
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i been wasting my darkness on trading this whole time cause i thought i was done lmao

chrome wharf
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At least most of the green skills aren't used that much besides the last 4

south lagoon
thorn marsh
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stygian is nice so hermes wont bully u

chrome wharf
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and if you already spent lots in the last 4 purple ones you can always refund it

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yeah stygian soul and stubborn def are good and cheap anyway

thorn marsh
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authority isnt that good

faint glacier
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i know this is off topic but can anyone rate super meat boy?

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i wanna know if its worth getting

chrome wharf
thorn marsh
chrome wharf
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Mmmm

faint glacier
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yeah i thought that but nobody is there right now

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sorry

chrome wharf
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they reeeeallly should make the green skills more obvious. Like make the arrow icons blink the first time you get them

nocturne mirage
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if i paid attention to the dialogue, i probably would've noticed lol

pliant sparrow
sudden peak
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is it called Slash Chord?

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just an educated guess based on a quick google search

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I know NOTHING about music theory, my curiosity's just getting the best of me at this point

pliant sparrow
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if you want me to type out the individual notes in order i can?

sudden peak
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wait, the notes of the song itself?

pliant sparrow
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the notes of the chords

sudden peak
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I see

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go for it

hearty bramble
jovial flax
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is there a way to do the friends forever achievement more quickly?

hearty bramble
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in tartarus rn and this dash is smashing everything really fast

thorn marsh
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tidal dash is good yeah

pliant sparrow
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sorry i dont know any chord theory or whatnot but this is what i can hear

sudden peak
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never took music class myself, but it just fascinates me so much!

hearty bramble
hearty bramble
thorn marsh
hearty bramble
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could be good! new playstyles maybe, shake things up a bit

thorn marsh
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nah

hearty bramble
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(not that I know anything about speed running)

thorn marsh
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top times would literally just implode

hearty bramble
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I mean whats wrong with that 👀

thorn marsh
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👀

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how would we beat the wr ;-;

pliant sparrow
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its per version

hearty bramble
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Oh I mean wouldn't the rankings change??

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Yeah

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I doubt they'd all be judged equally

thorn marsh
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tidal dash is very important in the meta for speedrunning imo

pliant sparrow
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older version times are discarded, only newer ones matter

hearty bramble
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meta is residentzag imo. But that's why I don't speedrun

pliant sparrow
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if theres balance changes

thorn marsh
lofty peak
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what do i have to do for nyx to talk about her quest for me? ive given her 6 nectar

modern garnet
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get more nectar with chaos

dull compass
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hello, how is everyone doing today?

thorn marsh
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im good but slightly mald

nocturne mirage
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miniature air-launched decoy?

thorn marsh
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lul no

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mad aggravated livid disgusted

nocturne mirage
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close enough

thorn marsh
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lul sure buddy

nocturne mirage
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i keep forgetting i have my than companion.... i try to save it for one of the last bosses, but by the time i reach them, i forget it exists and then the battle takes way longer than needed

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meanwhile 2 more ambrosia till me and death boi go to town 😎

night leaf
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Yep I'll check it out. I do play it on PC

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Thanks

short glen
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Let me tell you guys, if I had remembered about the mirror talent that increases chances for duos and legendaries earlier it would have saved me hours

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Also, I worked out that currently I mathematically cannot beat strict deadline. My runs average around 30 minutes and 3 9 minute time limits is 27 minutes total.

brisk trail
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then practice to get faster

short glen
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Yes that is the goal

river vigil
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At some point youll be able to say td3 is a freebie

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So keep practicing

short glen
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While I appreciate your faith, I find it unlikely. How many hours do ya'll have? I've currently got 111.9 hours

thorn marsh
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231.6

vapid narwhal
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after a certain point TD3 and TD2 are essentially free heat

thorn marsh
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i mean i can probably clear TD3 and TD2 considering my times but i dont put the pact on like ever

vapid narwhal
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I'm not amazing by any means but I can keep all my runs in the 18-20min range without much sweating, so TD2 isnt going to cause any issue

hollow kettle
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tbh I think trying to speedrun sucks the fun out of the game, I like taking my time, hearing all the dialogue, enjoying the scenery /hj

thorn marsh
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i find speedrunnign quite fun

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because i can go f a s t

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but it all depends on the type of person

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but then again when i played hades i generally didnt care about most of the dialogue i dont think

little dragon
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generally the people that do speedrunning already heard all or most of the dialogue

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and the time pauses during those anyways

quartz hearth
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and I'm over here still getting out of the habit of tiptoeing nervously into Asphodel encounters like the protagonist of a horror film, listening for scrabbling feet and clutching my sword all white-knuckled

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I can hear them, they're out there...

little dragon
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the witches are waiting

quartz hearth
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I'm finally powered up enough to juggernaut in there without getting wrecked but it's still not instinctive yet

thorn marsh
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kinda just rushing into rooms praying for rng to bless me

odd lintel
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Weird.. I got the Well versed achievement but I still don't have Hypnos' final heart

short glen
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oh

dusky wedge
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TD1 is still very easy imo

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Try to pause when making door decisions, and try to not circle the room for extra doors after the fight (survey rooms while you’re fighting)

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Sorry I mean TD1, 9min per biome

thorn marsh
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plus it adds more time each biome

dusky wedge
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TD3, is gonna take some practice still, but still, not as hard as everyone thinks of it

thorn marsh
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TD3 can be more stressful than anything

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i feel like u can feel like ur going too slow when ur actually not

dusky wedge
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I find myself never turning off TD3 anymore except when running bow, where I lower it to TD2

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I’m bad with bows

thorn marsh
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i cant even run TD because it interferes with a freeroom

dusky wedge
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Asphodel is usually where you’ll save up the most time

river vigil
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yep

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aspho is pretty much where you make up lost time from tartarus

dusky wedge
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It’s fine if your Tartarus time aren’t good, because Asphodel, and to an extent, Styx, saves more time than you think

chrome yoke
dusky wedge
jaunty skiff
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Hiya all, rather random question but do we know if the xbox version will support remote play? I know some games (a very popular tetris game) for some unknown reasons doesn't support it.

void vigil
odd lintel
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oooh. thanks

short glen
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Question: is there a reason the fishing achievement doesn't require fishing in chaos?

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It occured to me that zag might very well be like 5 foot 2. He claims to be the same height as Theseus, and according to google the average height for a man in ancient Greece was about 5 foot 2. 1.6 meters btw.

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I have no real point to this, I just thought it was amusing

chrome yoke
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AYYY! got my third clear, and didnt even get carried by hunting blades this time

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Also 2 heat

short glen
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AAAY nice work

chrome yoke
short glen
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For future note: regardless of if zag or Theseus have a Canon height, 5'2 zag is my new personal headcanon

void vigil
chrome yoke
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thanks for rubbing it in Hypnos

chrome yoke
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Do you get higher darkness rewards for bosses if you have Extreme Measures on

high island
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No.

chrome yoke
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4th attempt cleared shadesmile

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Wow, Orpheus' singing is very pleasant

hard pawn
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He singer is the voice of zag

chrome yoke
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The voice actor is certainly very talented

mossy lily
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ye

dusky wedge
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Darren Korb and Ashley Barrett, respectively

brisk trail
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anybody got tips for guan yu?

brisk trail
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i legit cant even escape tartarus with it

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upgrade it to lv5

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it has a very good and safe to use special

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if you attack go in with dash strikes

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look out for spin hammers and charged skewer

chrome yoke
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Vicious cycle is so good it feels like cheating

dense mist
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Well you need some additional rift duration, else it is balanced

dense mist
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Well that is a strong rift

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Tracking the enemies with censecutiv stacking damage

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Try get some additional rift duration as well

brisk trail
chrome yoke
brisk trail
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if the centaur hearts didnt get reduced then maybe

void vigil
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you can play level 1 guan yu, its just a challenge. i personally won with it twice

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you have to be extremely careful

dense mist
chrome yoke
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ares

dense mist
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Y

chrome yoke
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Ok will look out for the buff

chrome yoke
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eh, no, thats uneccessary risk

dense mist
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Yeah its better you think about that for yourself

brisk trail
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lv1 gy works its just hard yeah

chrome yoke
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im having some dream luck rn

brisk trail
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now you just have to sell one of the legendary boons for the achievement

chrome yoke
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Bit too late for that

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hades is dead

brisk trail
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aw

chrome yoke
amber kraken
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I love how when I call meg in lernies last phase she just finishes him off with one swipe

chrome yoke
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Does Calisthenics Program affect bosses

raw herald
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Yes

tawdry comet
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Hades has gotten me to make a dnd campaign out of it

chrome yoke
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Any Aspects of Stygius that are very good?

raw herald
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Nemesis is very strong, and Poseidon can be fun

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Zag aspect is outclassed by nemesis

chrome yoke
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is Nemesis the hidden aspect?

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i cant check rn

cerulean ferry
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Nope

chrome yoke
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ok!

high island
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Hidden Sword is the easiest to have success with.

river vigil
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Hidden aspect is the easiest to do high heat

raw herald
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Arthur falls off after 32 tbh

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But all swords are difficult at high heat

high island
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Yeah it's amazing at 32 and terrible for 40+.

river vigil
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Is it bcs how slow it is? Cus like for 32 u can just not use td3

raw herald
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It struggles with FO2

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Like, a lot

high island
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Yeah.

river vigil
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Ah FO

high island
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TD isn't a problem.

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Unless you run DC on top.

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But anyway, I doubt that was the context of the original question.

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Nemesis has very high DPS but can leave you very vulnerable if your build isn't coming together to kill everything before they can kill you.

brisk trail
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is there a list where i can see what all these abbreviations mean and what they do lol

brisk trail
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thanks!

stable glen
high island
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The pact is a decent starting point, yeah.

stable glen
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Good tartarus, hunting blades already

amber kraken
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Yay finished the game for good this time shadesmile
I mean I can still keep going but theresnt much left for me

high island
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Did you get everything from the House Contractor and the Resource Director yet? courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

amber kraken
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Well no I just finished the epilogue

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Which for me is the wrap up of the story. Also romanced all who can be romanced because I value that too

high island
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There's still gonna be new dialogue here and there and unlocks, but yeah, the epilogue really wraps up everything nicely.

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Congratulations! courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

amber kraken
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thanks

chrome yoke
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What aspect should i invest in

amber kraken
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What weapon are you using?

chrome yoke
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i like the sword and shield and twin fists

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Short-range melee dps basically

high island
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Zag Fists are very cheap to max out and a lot of fun.

vapid narwhal
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Poseidon or Nemesis sword are both great

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that too

amber kraken
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The secret aspect of the sword is my favourite

high island
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Demeter Aspect will give you better DPS than Zag Fists even with just 1-2 levels, though.

amber kraken
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Talos aspect was decent I remember. Pulling enemies close which is fun

chrome yoke
high island
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Zag Shield is probably the most melee of the shields.

chrome yoke
amber kraken
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Alot. It changes the sword completely into a different moveset and other abilities

raw herald
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Single target cast aspects aren't really great castspects tbh

amber kraken
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All secret aspects do

raw herald
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Slower hits, more defence

amber kraken
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Also I just like ||Arthur||

high island
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Poseidon is a Cast aspect, not really short range melee too much. The sword kit just supplements your damage here and there.

chrome yoke
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I actually main Hunting Blades though so

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maybe poseidons a good aspect?

raw herald
high island
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Talos can be played as Attack/Cast hybrid or pure Attack build with a nice pull that gives you crowd control.

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If you main Hunting Blades, then play Achilles.

chrome yoke
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ok!

raw herald
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Aspect of Poseidon is good for casts that lodge, those being Zeus, Athena, Artemis, Aphrodite and poseidon

high island
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Achilles gives +150% Cast damage at Lv.5.

raw herald
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Aspect of Achilles is good with all casts to be quite honest

chrome yoke
#

Fated Persuasion will help with finding the right boons for the Duo and finding the Duo itself, right?

raw herald
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Persuasion is generally way better than authority, you can force gods in with keepsakes

high island
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There's an argument for Authority giving you more consistency with getting any specific Duo Boon. Persuasion lets you reroll poms, Master Chaos boons, Lord Hermes boons, Wells of Charon, and Pools of Purging.

amber kraken
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I always forget I have it anyway xD

high island
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Which all ends up being more valuable than getting that one Duo Boon.

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And you can reroll boons with high Duo/Legendary chance (like from keepsake + Refreshing Nectar) multiple times for multiple chances at finding the Duo you need.

raw herald
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Persuasion also makes keys more useful

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Because adding 1 to 4 is better than adding 1 to 8

chrome yoke
#

like 99% of time the first boon in Asphodel is from Hermes. why is that?

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God i love the attention to detail in this game, like if you enter the Asterius & Theseus fight with the Yarn of Ariadne you get a few extra voicelines.

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also ayy

mint coral
chrome yoke
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Why does it want me to have two hermes boons though

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Like the boons are good but i'd rather have the artemis or ares boon

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i love how zag calls them lernie now

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easy choice

signal aspen
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deadly reversal for the prophecy

amber kraken
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Apparently Lernie refuses to take feedback from Hades. A sign of a poor employee

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No wonder they're never the featured house servant

chrome yoke
signal aspen
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deadly reversal for the prophecy

chrome yoke
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Almost every single time i get the satyr sack on the second room

chrome yoke
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Run cleared!

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6th run now

signal aspen
#

nice

chrome yoke
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Anyways, i unlocked the aspect of achilles

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upgradesd it to 100% post charge damage

signal aspen
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nice

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now get hunting blades with it

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ez win

chrome yoke
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Also got flurry jab

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on the first room

signal aspen
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nice

chrome yoke
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Wow, achilles is good

signal aspen
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yeah

chrome yoke
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Probs my favorite weapon now

cedar nexus
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it is my favorite weapon

dense mist
#

Whats the use of charm? Like normal enemies die so fast they cant hurt their allies and there is only 1 Boss fight which is not solo

signal aspen
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dont kill charmed enemies

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and charm will stun bosses

dense mist
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Well i play Arthur stance so im kinda aoe

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oh it does? Thats actually pretty neat

amber kraken
#

for bossess all I noticed is it aphrodite's call doing alot of damage

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I cant believe I mistook those two. Im going to get myself smited

dense mist
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well the call does also charm

marsh bloom
#

Hi SuperGiant! is it possibile to have an update with a total play-time of the game? i will probably change my Switch to the OLED version, and the playtime count will reset, and i hate this things, i would like to see a total play-time in game if is possibile with a future update, please make it true 🙂

thorn marsh
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beep

uneven wind
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Kinda random but for how popular and fun this game is there doesn’t seem to be many content creators on YouTube/twitch

thorn marsh
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most of hades content creators stream on twitch

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and only use youtubes to upload their vods so they can submit a run

hearty stone
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Most content creators I know play hades mostly off stream bc it doesn’t get many views

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Sadly

thorn marsh
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the hades streamers are definitely of the smaller variety except maybe haelian and vorime

uneven wind
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Probably just because it’s a rougelike

hearty stone
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Rougelikes aren’t very fun to watch lots of the time tbh, and they ain’t even my type of game to play tho hades is different for me idk why tho

uneven wind
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Yeah I’m just pretty new and having issues on good builds for all weapons

thorn marsh
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just asking

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should be fun

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if u need a hera or achilles build come to me ill hook u up homie

hearty stone
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Athena and Achilles is my favorite

uneven wind
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Need to go farm blood on low heat

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Only have upgrades for shield and fists

hearty stone
#

Last night I learned (spoilers) ||that you can be in relationships with Thanatos and now I’m gonna grind until I have a bf from hell||

uneven wind
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😳

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New priority

austere jacinth
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My 'endgame' relationship is the polyam one because few games let you have that without it being a joke, and also... Ancient Greek Gods xDD

hearty stone
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Honestly ye

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This is one of the only games I’ve played where you have freedom in sexuality like that… while it being a Rougelike is crazy. Like it’s not even a big focus yet it makes all of the difference

chrome yoke
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i might be weird, but i find polygamous relationships very offputting

chrome yoke
plush dock
austere jacinth
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I like interesting poly relationships, which you don't see very often.

chrome yoke
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In the game i dont mind it, its greek mythology and zag is a god, what do you expect, but irl its weird imo

austere jacinth
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A lot of the time it's just 'let's be horny', and there's no thought into how it would function.

hearty stone
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I’d that makes sense

austere jacinth
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I'm aroace, so monogamy and polygamy are both 'weird to me'. I do think that it's entirely possible to love different people at the same time. And the Greek Gods were rather known for that, amongst other things.

plush dock
hearty stone
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We should prolly change from this sexuality debate tho

chrome yoke
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Understandable, but most of the times i see it IRL it's mostly based on .. yknow

hearty stone
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I’m new to this server tho I can imagine this isn’t the usual for supergiant games discord

austere jacinth
chrome yoke
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New topic~~

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Whats the highest heat yall beat

chrome yoke
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mine is 3 lmao, i have 6 clears rn

hearty stone
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7 but it’s just been going up every run

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I found one build that I’m just insane with

chrome yoke
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Hunting blades is my main

plush dock
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mine is 8, but i skipped a few heats to get the skelly prize

thorn marsh
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i stay on 6 to 9 depending on how fast the weapon im playing is

plush dock
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i'm a very balanced player, i like playing with which weapon it is thats giving more darkness and i have an even-ish amount of escapes across the board

signal aspen
hearty stone
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||arthur blade, Hermès to increase attack and move speed, Demeter to slow down enemies to increase your dps compared to them, and Athena to take deflect shots that get stuck in your special|| tho lots of those are flexible

chrome yoke
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how do i unlock his 7th heart

hearty stone
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And I always use the butterfly first chamber

austere jacinth
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I got the statues and then just switched to a new playthrough as regards heat.

thorn marsh
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u dont keep butterfly if u switch it at any point of the run

plush dock
# signal aspen 45

muck is the bombadil of this server, he has very high skills and appears when we least expect

signal aspen
#

what

hearty stone
plush dock
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do you know who bombadil is

signal aspen
# chrome yoke how do i unlock his 7th heart

Beating Thanatos after giving him 6 Nectar will randomly prompt a discussion between the two about Zagreus being powerful enough to escape the Underworld without Thanatos' help. Once Zagreus proves his strength to Thanatos, Thanatos can be given Ambrosia the next time he is encountered in the House of Hades.

raw herald
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There are others on here that have beaten higher

plush dock
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true, yall are pretty impressive

chrome wharf
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I fell my way through a 32 on Eris rail

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thanks to Pat

signal aspen
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i will beat 50 heat one day

hearty stone
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Think I might start speed running once I beat max heat

signal aspen
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good luck with that

plush dock
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that sounds like i'd take a lot of time

hearty stone
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Yeah definitely

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Currently on 7 .__.

plush dock
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i'm a completionist so i kind of want to buy all the furniture and max all of the weapons and max my affection with everyone

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and get all of the achievements

raw herald
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Max heat is pretty much impossible unseeded

chrome wharf
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the last in-game achievement is 32

hearty stone
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Beating 50 heat sounds hard

plush dock
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btw, can you get the butterfly achievement by playing in low/no heat right?

plush dock
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my english is 3/10 today sorry

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thx :D

hearty stone
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But beating 50 heat on every variation of every weapon doesn’t even sound fun anymore that’s just painful

plush dock
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yep lol

hearty stone
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Well ima go on a bike talk to y’all later

signal aspen
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high heat is the main reason i still play hades

uneven wind
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Yo I heard a Zeus build with Demeter fists is pretty good

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Anyone know the details of it

chrome yoke
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i love the spear in elysium because flamewheels dont damage me anymore

chrome wharf
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Zeus fists is Nuts

marsh bloom
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so it seems impossible to speak with the Devs right?

raw herald
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Lightning strike, jolted, tidal dash

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Splitting bolt if you can

uneven wind
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So just Zeus attack

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Poseidon dash

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And tons of Zeus boons

chrome wharf
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yep

raw herald
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Pretty much

uneven wind
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Sea storm as well I guess

chrome wharf
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get a basic Artemis boon for support fire

raw herald
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Pressure points and hunters mark is also really good, and deadly flourish

uneven wind
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So like Artemis special

plush dock
plush dock
uneven wind
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Ok so Poseidon dash Zeus attack and other boons like jolted and then some Artemis as well

chrome wharf
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yeah it's basically

  • Zeus attack with lightning buffs
  • Support fire
  • profit
uneven wind
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aight

raw herald
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Also hyper sprint + rush delivery

uneven wind
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That’s Hermes right

chrome wharf
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yeah

raw herald
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ZAP fists @thorn marsh

thorn marsh
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but w h y

raw herald
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They asked if Zeus attack was good on demeter

uneven wind
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So it’s Zeus/Poseidon/Artemis/Hermes ideally

thorn marsh
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i mean its good

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but not neraly as good as ME

chrome wharf
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alternatively get an aphrodite core and Zeus aid and get Smouldering Air

thorn marsh
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and its such much more of a highroll

uneven wind
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I use ME on all my builds

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Getting kinda boring

thorn marsh
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only two weapons actually use ME to peak potential

plush dock
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whats me again?

uneven wind
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Shield and Demeter

raw herald
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ZAP fists is my anyheat PB

thorn marsh
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fists and sword

uneven wind
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Ah

thorn marsh
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shield doesnt use ME

uneven wind
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I used it on shield special

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Worked pretty good

chrome yoke
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No hunting blades but i do get a legendary...

uneven wind
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Also how do you get legendary boons consistently

raw herald
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Gods legacy and dark foresight

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And god keepsakes

signal aspen
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practice good rng

uneven wind
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Hahaha

raw herald
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But it's in no way consistent

thorn marsh
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hades isnt a consistent game

chrome wharf
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make offering to rngesus

plush dock
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gods legacy + following the requirements usually does it for me

chrome yoke
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and check the boons you need for the legendary you want in the boon list

signal aspen
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and get some rerolls

uneven wind
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Right their like duos

plush dock
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exactly

chrome yoke
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this is a hard no right

chrome wharf
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but? you mean and???

thorn marsh
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freezing vortex is terrible

raw herald
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It means you can't get hunting blades

uneven wind
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Is there any good Dionysus hangover builds

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I never seem to use him