h1-discussion

[manic bobcat]

And there are some people who only do Beowulf

Yes :D

It's great

Though I'm partial to Hunter Dash

[keen lichen]

is that the dodge chance dash or the sprint dash?

[manic bobcat]

It's the your dash strike does more damage

[brisk trail]

artemis

[manic bobcat]

It's the only dash that functions that way

And yeah from Artemis

[keen lichen]

i like ares' dash, leaving that vortex thing.
but athena's helps survivability too much.

[brisk trail]

tidal dash is also a fan favourite

but I like athena the most its comfy

[keen lichen]

i find two parts particularly hard in the whole run, always lose a lot of hp:
1- "mage" guys shooting sprays of purple balls.
2- satyrs, poison guys.

deflection on dash is such an amazing help there

[brisk trail]

just drink the anti poison juice

[manic bobcat]

Yeah for those I like the unga bunga approach and just bum rush them

But then again I bum rush everything

[keen lichen]

"anti"? that's new. can i drink it beforehand and become immune?
i always thought i could only drink to cure it.

[brisk trail]

nah you can only cure it

but I never thought of poison as a huge issue

it starts dealing dmg very slowly

[keen lichen]

oh yeah. i always do, but i always end up taking quite some poison damage before i get to the antidote fountain.

maybe i'm just taking too long to notice i'm poisoned

[brisk trail]

maybe

[unreal atlas]

Deflect, especially on dash, is just helpful everywhere

[manic bobcat]

There's the spearpoint "tech" you can use

[unreal atlas]

Most notable on projectiles but you can deflect almost anything

[manic bobcat]

Spearpoint will give you a brief shield to stop the poison and run to wherever you need to be

And is good against Hades laser (if that gives you trouble)

[keen lichen]

i haven't gotten to the laser part yet lol

can't get past hades' first health bar

i'm slowly improving though

i can deal will all the other bosses pretty consistently.
only exceptions are that "murderer" sister (shrinking space)
and theseus' wall traversing spear retrieval catching me off guard.

[manic bobcat]

Yeah the wall thing is a bit finicky sometimes

But better than nothing

[tropic vapor]

all right, im new to hades but i've played roguelikes before and im ok again but the highest i've made it to is the minotaur boss and then died im back here again so does anyone have tips?

and im also using spear

[signal aspen]

Just learn the attack patterns and practice dodging with your dash

[robust scaffold]

practice dash attacks too

[tropic vapor]

damn died again

got further into the fight this time tho

[unborn remnant]

You could also switch up the weapon if it isnt working

[tropic vapor]

keep in mind im new so i dont have the railgun or the fists cause i have no idea how to unlock them

[unborn remnant]

you just need more keys

[robust scaffold]

i think u only need more keys iirc

[signal aspen]

you need 8 keys for them

[tropic vapor]

ooh that makes more sense

[manic bobcat]

https://youtu.be/3QrRelUgiZY

Here's a vid I did a while ago on how I would fight them with few boons

Stay in the back side of the cow

He usually can't get you there

And as you can see I tanked a decent amount of shota because I suck

But eh you can win even without perfect execution

[signal aspen]

damn that guy sucks

[manic bobcat]

ikr, he probably doesn't even know boons make him stronger

judging by how empty his side bar is

what a scrub

[signal aspen]

they probably like mudkip, the worst pokemon

[manic bobcat]

take that back

[signal aspen]

no

[tropic vapor]

piplup >>>>> mudkip

[manic bobcat]

pokemons are supposed to band together

not fight each other

wait no

[signal aspen]

yup

[manic bobcat]

that's the premise of pokemon games

[tropic vapor]

panik

[unborn remnant]

oh no

[manic bobcat]

oh no

[unborn remnant]

3 generations of water starters

[tropic vapor]

uhh

well this is awkward

[unborn remnant]

🤝 water types

[manic bobcat]

well we all know that mudkip and piplup would bully ocelot to hell and back

[tropic vapor]

well we would

but should we?

no

cause its not cool

[signal aspen]

this is getting off topic lol

[tropic vapor]

yeah

[unborn remnant]

it is

[split stone]

chandelure best pokemon

no question

[unborn remnant]

I dont appreciate this

:(

all good though lmao

[manic bobcat]

[tropic vapor]

darkrai > piplup > every other pokemon

thats the order

[crude surge]

shuckle

[tropic vapor]

btw how do i check all of the abilities i have in a run?

[manic bobcat]

hit select?

or start?

[split stone]

all I know is that it's the minus button on a pro controller

[tropic vapor]

oh i got it

just one last question how many "floors" are there?

[signal aspen]

4

[manic bobcat]

14 in Tartarus
10 in Asphodel
12 in Elysium
Depends in Styx

[tropic vapor]

thanks!

[acoustic flint]

Do I get 9 and 12 or just 9

I can win at 16 heat pretty easily so I was just trying to farm all the resources in one go

[high island]

Just 9.

[keen lichen]

is it worth it to charge and use spear special instead of just spamming either basic or dash attack?

i mean. since you did it, i assume it's worth it, but why?

[manic bobcat]

it depends on what hammer you have. I had massive spin and explosive launcher so I tried to sneak in a special charged attack once in a while

but if you have a more attack focused hammer or boon, adjust proportionally

otherwise, just use whatever you are are comfortable with

no need to sneak in damage when there is no time pressure

i also kinda did it for fun.

so TLDR: it's optional

[keen lichen]

understood

[keen lichen]

and yeah. 101% scrub. doesn't even know how to pickup boons.

lol. joke aside. pretty amazing fight.

[manic bobcat]

but yeah, hide behind the cow back and time your dash when he leaps

i think that helped me a lot

[keen lichen]

i've got pretty used to dash pretty much nonstop.
i need to better time theseus (and hades') spear special.

atm i just try to double dash out of range

but that makes theseus fight take forever.

[manic bobcat]

most of theseus call are just chasing circles. just don't stand still and you should be ok

[obtuse lark]

sometimes demeter shows up.

i think it's the hardest to deal with.

[manic bobcat]

yeah demeter is rough

[keen lichen]

demeter gets in the arena fight?

[manic bobcat]

did you get to the final boss?

they meant the call that theseus uses

[obtuse lark]

looks like it.

[manic bobcat]

theseus have different call versions from different gods. demeter is generally regarded as the hardest variation

[keen lichen]

yup i got to hades 3 times (spear all times - it's the weapon i'm most comfortable with - maybe because of range)

i've unlocked them all and used them all though

[obtuse lark]

can someone remind me how to get the guan yu aspect for spear?

[keen lichen]

less fun imo is bow

[manic bobcat]

oh that's my favorite weapon actually

[obtuse lark]

i was most comfortable with fists when i started, now when i came back to the game i feel extremely comfortable with sword, poseidon aspect is 🔥

[keen lichen]

wiki has it

[manic bobcat]

i like the rhythm of playing bow

[keen lichen]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Eternal_Spear#Aspect_of_Guan_Yu_Moveset

[obtuse lark]

thanks.

[manic bobcat]

also it's pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[dusky wedge]

I remembered it was pinned here before, now it’s gone

[manic bobcat]

if you don't want to look far. though the link is right there ig

[dusky wedge]

Oh

[keen lichen]

i think the fist is going to become my favorite weapon once i "master" dodging everything so i can stay in melee (against all bosses)

[dusky wedge]

Ok lmao

Thought it was in #h1-for-new-players lol

[obtuse lark]

oh i just need to wait for the dialogue.

[manic bobcat]

yes. once you do the game feels really good. especially iframing the final boss spin attack

you can stay within the swipe and not get hit, somehow i just really like that

[keen lichen]

yeah.

[signal aspen]

yeah it feels really good to dodge everything

[obtuse lark]

i'm getting very lucky with boons for sword and fists - usually i get the best boons in tartarus and then just farm duo boons.

[keen lichen]

there are two types of games to me

[dusky wedge]

Yeah, fist gang~~

[keen lichen]

grinding games, where it's about grinding to buy better armor to last longer (and weapons to kill faster)
and skill games, where it's about mastering the game itself, and becoming good at it

[dusky wedge]

Welcome to the club, we already have a lot of friends here

[tropic vapor]

nooo i barely lost to theseus and the minotaur

i was so close

[keen lichen]

i'm too old (and too busy irl) for grinding games

[obtuse lark]

for fists i usually do ares + demeter aspect or athena + zag aspect.

[keen lichen]

i'll admit i don't recall having enjoyed a roguelike before hades

[manic bobcat]

I have:
Games that I play once
Games that I play regularly

[obtuse lark]

same here.

[keen lichen]

to be quite honest, i don't think i've truly enjoyed a roguelike before.

[tropic vapor]

agreed

[keen lichen]

i've played a few, but this is the first roguelike discord i've joined, for example

[obtuse lark]

i joined this discord to fix a bug but stayed for build tips.

[keen lichen]

i said before, but hades honestly deserves the praise. really, really well done game as a whole. all parts of it.
i wonder if supergiant is going to sit on the throne CDPR fell off by itself (didn't even need somebody else to push them off it lmao)

[manic bobcat]

i think SGG is not big enough for that

[keen lichen]

well everybody (and company) gotta start somewhere

and yes, roguelikes are still a niche genre i guess.

[manic bobcat]

yeah, though it's gaining popularity, and fast

it's a good time to be a roguelite fan

and yeah, we already have Hades "clones"

so lul

[keen lichen]

that's an awesome sign

[tropic vapor]

been waiting for months to get this game, got it last night let me tell completely worth the money

as you probably already know

[manic bobcat]

imitation is a form of flattery. though some clones are very blatant, straight up stealing :D

[keen lichen]

i only bought it now because of the sale,
but if i knew how good it is, i'd have bought it before regardless of sale

[tropic vapor]

even if this game was 80$ i would prob still pick it up

[manic bobcat]

i thnk you can get it for as low as $8 on Epic Store

in their last sale

[tropic vapor]

i live in canada so i got it for 20 on this sale

on the summer sale for steam

[manic bobcat]

still nice

it was given out for free when you buy Pyre back in the days haha

[unborn remnant]

I got it last year

no sale but still a sick game obviously

[void vigil]

pyre was being given out for free when you bought hades, not the opposite

[manic bobcat]

im dumb. dont mind me

[narrow hemlock]

ive bought the game and the soundtrack twice, laughs nervously

[buoyant valley]

I’ve bought hollow knight like 3 times

[void vigil]

I bought hades once on egs, once on steam and once physically for ps4.... yeah....

[brisk trail]

I thiiink I only bought Hades once, but I convinced at least three other people to get it.

[karmic hare]

Just buy Hades then buy every other supergiant game then go to an ATM empty your bank visit supergiant games and give them all your money

[tawdry gazelle]

Hello guys, I'm currently playing my first run in hell mode.

I finally came to Hades for the third time and beat his whole first HP bar, i really thought I was done and... I discovered not.

My current build is : Chaos shield + Ares doom, i try to get the 400% armor damage hammer upgrade and otherwise try to get the best between Aphrodite and Dionysios.

What's the best build you'd recommend for a first run ?

I unlocked Chiron's bow, Eris' rail gun and Chaos Shield.

Also, is there a lot left to discover after beating the game the first time ? (||Actually i know that you have to beat 10 times Hades to get the true ending but i don't know anything more||)

Also are runs getting easier after you clear the first one ? That's pretty much hard to survive through Elysium, Theseus, Styx and Hades lol

[crude surge]

there is more after clearing yes. Runs don't get easier after your first clear exept buy getting miror upgrades ig

[tawdry gazelle]

I guess you can grind more ressources to upgrade and get more aspects right ?

Also should I stick to my build or would you recommend something else ?

[crude surge]

I'm not too familiar with Chaos shield

[tawdry gazelle]

I can use another weapon ofc

[crude surge]

Most of the time people but Zeus on special though

[tawdry gazelle]

On chaos shield ? Really thought ares doom was standard ok

[void vigil]

the amount left to discover after youve beaten the game for the first time depends on where you are in the story and relationships with other characters. if you havent gotten very far with deepening your bonds with other characters, there is in fact a lot left to discover

[karmic hare]

Same except I still on meg

[tawdry gazelle]

I only gifted a single nectar to each character except ||Persephone i guess since there's a keepsake left I miss|| so i guess so yeah

So chaos shield Zeus is really a thing ?

Thought rail gun was better with Zeus

[signal aspen]

yeah chaos shield with zeus special works well

[tawdry gazelle]

Well let's try that

Should I combine it with Poseidon or whatever ?

Thanks for the tip

[crude surge]

rail is also very good with Zeus

[tropic vapor]

im sad

i thought i escaped

now i have to fight hades ;-;

[cerulean ferry]

Good luck

[quaint wind]

gl!

[tropic vapor]

im on 14 hp ;-;

atleast he's 1/3 of his health

i died.

[tawdry gazelle]

Yeah that's my usual build playing rail

Which mirror perks should I focus on btw ? I took the epic drop increased but i heard it can conflict with the chance of getting duoboons which is annoying

[royal thistle]

;-;

P a I n

1 leg and 1 duo got blocked by ap2

[karmic hare]

Everyone dies just keep swimming I mean teying

[royal thistle]

I've been taunted

[crude surge]

j u s t d o n t u s e A P 2

[royal thistle]

Ap is cool

It's the chaddest way to play

[signal aspen]

no its not

[royal thistle]

Yes it is

Rng takes the wheel and you gotta play with whatever you get

You deal with it

No op builds unless rng says yes

[karmic hare]

What's ap

[royal thistle]

There is only your skill alone

[signal aspen]

well ap is indeed very chad

[royal thistle]

Approval process

[signal aspen]

but this is extremely wrong

[royal thistle]

Less choices

[karmic hare]

Oh the no choices one

[royal thistle]

Ap 2 is cool

Brings more variety

What's fun about doing the same 4 builds

Over and over

[karmic hare]

I like choices because it adds about infinity hours more playtime since I cannot make them

[royal thistle]

You never know what u end up with

[karmic hare]

But you could end up with the same thing twice

[royal thistle]

You can even take it further by only choosing the left most door or not using God keepsakes

[karmic hare]

I might do that for some fun

[royal thistle]

But you'll almost never get the same thing

[karmic hare]

Be interesting for sure

[royal thistle]

Damn hypnos did a self roast

Capable me? No one has ever called me that before

[keen lichen]

@manic bobcat holy hades, first time to hades second phase thanks to aegis and two duo skills lmao (one regens life if no death defiances left)

holy hades. i did it.

regen op

[dark vector]

which duo skill regens life?

[signal aspen]

stubborn roots

[dark vector]

ahh

[keen lichen]

it was meant to be a test run btw

didn't really thought i had a chance at actually "winning"

was trying out the "dash-attack, dash-attack, special" rotation

this stubborn roots thing which i didn't even know existed until now made me decide to actually try

[manic bobcat]

Nice

[royal thistle]

Damn..

Please don't take hangover from me

P a I n

Cold embrace is finally mine

First time

Cold embrace is actually really fun and good damn..

Not so much good but fun

[manic bobcat]

then you can warm up to it

fun intended

[royal thistle]

Beam is still not the best but cold embrace is pog

Bonus duration and attack

It aiming at you is kinda good

But chaos also gave me 2 cast boosts in a row so..

Having extra chip is pretty cool

[keen lichen]

i feel like i "won" much more thanks to the boons than to my skill
got quite some synergies

combo was quite strong.
everything dropped quite quick and, when it didn't or things went bad (hp fell) i just bid my time and waited while i regen'ed

[manic bobcat]

i mean that's how most runs feel tbh

[keen lichen]

i was quite impressed of how quicker boss fights were with the "dash,dash,special" combo

i used to just spam attack from as far as the weapon would let me

dash attack i mean

[keen lichen]

how much % of a run's success is due to boons (and how much to skill)?

[high island]

Building is a skill, too.

[keen lichen]

yeah was gonna say that

there's skill in the choosing well among what's presented

and at least to me it required a couple of runs.
this was my 16th run (first win).
i'm much better at understanding what each boon does and how they synergize (or not) with each other now.

and there's a lot to learn still. much i don't know what does or how works exactly

[manic bobcat]

sub 32 heat everyrun is winnable.

so 100% skill?

not even 32 tbh

it probably goes much higher

but same difference

[keen lichen]

what's max heat? 100?

[keen lichen]

any suggestions of good boons for a bow run?

the first boon is always choosable (with the right trinket) right?

[manic bobcat]

for bow I think hammer choice is more important than boons, with twin shot and triple shot being S+ tier and highly valued

but boon wise, can't go wrong with artemis or aphrodite attack

[high island]

Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike, yeah.

[manic bobcat]

and divine dash or hunter dash

[keen lichen]

divine dash = athena's deflective dash?

[manic bobcat]

oh and im assuming we are talking vanilla bow

yep

[keen lichen]

yeah vanilla bow

i've only unlocked some spears but didn't even try them yet
(i'm going with whatever has the purple thing bonus)

[manic bobcat]

good plan

[keen lichen]

try to get a good feel of all weapons and maximizing permanent development each time

[manic bobcat]

with bow just dash strike a lot

to shorten the charge time

[keen lichen]

really? dash-strike? not dash-special?

[manic bobcat]

nah

[high island]

Bow doesn't have a Dash-Special.

[keen lichen]

oh so dashing shortens the charge. didn't know thatr.,

[manic bobcat]

special on bow is erm suboptimal (read: it's kinda garbo, dont @ me)

[keen lichen]

isn't the fastest speedrun from a bow with those homing special arrows? icey iirc.

i took a peek at some speedruns on yt

[manic bobcat]

also that's why twin shot and triple shot (and shotgun the enemies) are so good

essentially x2 or ~x3 your damage

[manic bobcat]

i don't think so. it could be a Rama run, but Rama still focuses on attack as your main damage

special applies a "debuff" if you will

[high island]

No, that was Chiron.

[manic bobcat]

was it?

[high island]

Hera is back at #1 now, but Monkey is talking about lovcrimson's Chiron WR.

https://youtu.be/PwmYoER5254

[manic bobcat]

yeah i was about to say

[high island]

This one.

[keen lichen]

hm. started. hammer first "boon": charged volley, chain shot, relentless volley?
wasn't i supposed to be offered split shot or something?

[high island]

Charged Volley is actually alright.

[manic bobcat]

no, hammer can be anything from the possible ones

[royal thistle]

imagine getting carried by your boons

this was made by ap2 gang

[manic bobcat]

yeah but later into the run you essentially ignore it

i just bite the bullet and grab chain shot there

[royal thistle]

chain shot is good doe

[keen lichen]

yeah i wanna grab it since i don't like the special

[manic bobcat]

and pray you don't get triple shot

[royal thistle]

e

[manic bobcat]

e

[royal thistle]

trip chain shot isn't that bad

but yay I found my least fav aspect

[manic bobcat]

it ruins your single target

[royal thistle]

it's chaos shield

[manic bobcat]

because chain shot breaks triple shotgun

[royal thistle]

I mean chain shot just turns all your single target into multi target

which is cool

[high island]

Charged Volley is pretty nice vs Hades, too.

[royal thistle]

charged volley is.. not good..

[high island]

Any boss or miniboss, really.

[manic bobcat]

i think charged volley is nice up to asphodel

[royal thistle]

chain shot is really good during the champions fight

[manic bobcat]

so ig it's pickable and you don't have to deal with chain triple dilemma

[royal thistle]

or lernie

[manic bobcat]

chain shot is B tier

[royal thistle]

chain shot trip shot is actually pretty decent since it negates the downside of triple shot only being able to hit 1 shot into the opponent

[manic bobcat]

what

[royal thistle]

(if ur not using rama)

[brisk trail]

why does oprheus sound like a woman

[manic bobcat]

well if you point blank the enemy, triple shot hits 3 times

but if you have chain shot

it doesn't

[royal thistle]

it kinda doesn't a lot of the time..

[manic bobcat]

well not always perfect 3x

[royal thistle]

normally it's 1 or 2 if you shoot at an angle

but only 3 if you are hugging something

[manic bobcat]

but often enough to make it a contender with twin, and chain shot just straight up destroys whatever advantage you get with triple

[manic bobcat]

which is how you should use it :D

[royal thistle]

triple is not a contender with double..

[manic bobcat]

it is

[royal thistle]

double is legit the cream of the crop

[manic bobcat]

bro

[royal thistle]

just a straight double your dps

(unless ur chiron)

[manic bobcat]

so does triple shot, with higher skill ceiling

[high island]

3x is 1.5x more than 2x.

[manic bobcat]

damn

big if true

[royal thistle]

triple kinda.. negates the point of the bow

you gotta hug CLOSER then fists

gotta hug

while charging

[manic bobcat]

yep

and?

[royal thistle]

anyways triple kinda mid

like b tier

[manic bobcat]

if you want to play bow the way you think it should be played, go play hestia

[royal thistle]

it's like wave pounding

[manic bobcat]

i don't think i can convince you that triple and twin are contender for S+ tier

but to each their own

[limpid quartz]

All imma say is that Dio Special on Adamant Raik is nuts

[royal thistle]

umm what..

[high island]

First, Wave Pounding is amazing. Second, Triple is S tier on any bow.

[royal thistle]

twin is S+

it's just a x2

straight up

[manic bobcat]

if you git gud, you can get more than x2 with triple shot
slightly higher execution needed, more reward
the way it should be

also im jk with the git gud part

[steep hinge]

hello
when playing hades does the rumble work throughout the run or is the rumble feedback only during starting and death
i played it for the first time and the feedback gave me a bit of confusion
kindly help guys

[manic bobcat]

it's not that hard to get x3 with triple

[royal thistle]

you only hit the 3 shots.. on bosses and even then you gotta hug the bosses

[signal aspen]

Rumble?

[keen lichen]

higher skill floor -> higher reward = good design imo

[high island]

No. You, maybe.

[manic bobcat]

can you elaborate? like the controller vibration?

[steep hinge]

haptic feedback
yes vibrations

[manic bobcat]

it should work regardless of where you are

maybe check your battery?

just in case something weird on that end?

[royal thistle]

I mean what are you playing on as well

anyways rush kick is funni and cool

[high island]

Twin might be easier to get the damage out of, but that doesn't mean it's better. It just means Triple requires more skill to get the full damage out of.

[royal thistle]

you just can't get the full damage out of triple on med/small mobs..

most of the enemies are medium sized

anyways point blank > triple shot anyday

[high island]

Well, good luck with that.

[manic bobcat]

^

anywho

[royal thistle]

😔 charging up right next to a butterfly ball

[high island]

Hyper Sprint takes care of that.

[steep hinge]

i'll try swapping the battery

but the vibrations kicks in quite strongly during the start of the run and when he dies once more the same intensity of vibration is present
but during the run like while striking enemies and receiving damage there is no feedback what so ever

[keen lichen]

man. athena dash (deflection) and a good knowledge of the game you can probably finish the game without attacking

[royal thistle]

athena dash is just really good

but I mean you can beat the game with literally anything..

[keen lichen]

omg sorry

[manic bobcat]

interesting. i think i get a good jolt if if get hit by say a lout or a thug. and attack feedback on bow is consistent enough for me. but if tht confuses you maybe just turn off the vibration? my 2cents.

[keen lichen]

i'm with a flipping bow man, and i'm just chilling charging my shots, and dashing to deflect whatever reaches me

[manic bobcat]

no need to say sorry to proxy

[signal aspen]

Really? I don't think that athena dash can carry you to the end of the game without attacking

[brisk trail]

it does dmg on its own so yeah

[signal aspen]

Barely any damage

[keen lichen]

it probably doesn't "reflect" melee damage, so not sure. but if it does, then yes, it can.

[keen lichen]

that's on theory obviously. well, doable but impractical/ineffecient

[brisk trail]

someone finished the game with mistral dash only

[signal aspen]

Damn

[brisk trail]

you can beat it any dash only outside of artemis

[steep hinge]

hmm
lets see if battery swap wont work then i'll just turn it off
anyway thank you

[manic bobcat]

yep np! good luck

[high island]

Topical. https://youtu.be/JDJ6qM17YBY

[manic bobcat]

now do a call only run

[signal aspen]

Do a revenge only run

[high island]

Do I lose if I have no reception?

On my phone.

[signal aspen]

Yeah

[manic bobcat]

im stupid

very

[high island]

FoxHope slow as ever.

[signal aspen]

You can't play hades if you don't got a phone

[manic bobcat]

WRONG

Myths: Gods of Asgard exists

wait no that's the other way around

nevermind

im going to eat something

[signal aspen]

Yeah true

My bad

[manic bobcat]

im not me when im hungry

[royal thistle]

you really aren't you when ur hungry

😔

anyways that apple be lookin mad scrumptious

bruh it's a peach

still can be eaten like an apple

[signal aspen]

Wrong

It's an onion

[royal thistle]

I mean

onions are good too

but having to peel them is uncool

anyways lemons are nice

nothing is better after a hike then taking a bite into a juicy lemon

[manic bobcat]

are we living on the same planet?

[royal thistle]

unfortunately yes

I am living on the same planet as someone who names themselves pp man

or nyaanyaa mewmew

so I try not to think about the fact that a sane human being named themselves that

[signal aspen]

Idk man, pp man is a pretty good name

[royal thistle]

and lives on the same planet

[royal thistle]

what does the pp stand for btw 🙂

[manic bobcat]

pressure points

[signal aspen]

Pressure points

[manic bobcat]

one of the best supporting boons the game

[royal thistle]

pp is great

I love pp

pp having one of the best pom scaling in the game

the lower the damage the better pom is

[void vigil]

is pressure points' pom scaling really that great, it only adds one more %

[high island]

Pressure Points poms are almost never worth it over other options.

[manic bobcat]

technically it's not affected by diminishing returns, but yeah, unless the other options are completely useless, it's meh

it's the hand me down boon

[royal thistle]

I mean it has one of the best scaling in the game

based on poms

but why would you pom it

[manic bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802615525141643265/859165544359657472/unknown.png

can i just say these are gaudy as heck

me no likey

[royal thistle]

what

gaudy

I've never heard that word before

I'mma search it up

brb

well it's a word

it exists

[void vigil]

i want that avatar frame, i like it

[manic bobcat]

oh i was about to say that frame is the worst offender haha

[royal thistle]

child on tlc

[manic bobcat]

but ig people do like it then

[void vigil]

but i dont want hades' face on my profile

[royal thistle]

the frame is honestly the only good part but that doesn't really take much..

[high island]

Where are these from?

[manic bobcat]

Steam Point Shop

[royal thistle]

buy it just cause

[manic bobcat]

dude it's 10k points for the set

[royal thistle]

I remember when I had potato pc and I bought slime rancher

and didn't play it

[crude surge]

potato?

[royal thistle]

I still own slime rancher

[signal aspen]

Potato

[royal thistle]

the amount of hours on btd 6 are rookie numbers

[crude surge]

I agree

[royal thistle]

only 146 hours

😔

[manic bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/patata-animeme-weaboo-potatogirl-meme-gif-14609377

[royal thistle]

food good

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-steal-gif-17963378

[manic bobcat]

oh there are other nice hades themes thing on the point shop

[royal thistle]

nice

[high island]

Ahh. I have Lady Aphrodite's sticker from that.

[manic bobcat]

nice

[royal thistle]

only 2k points

😔

[manic bobcat]

i think i have nothing from hades, but plenty from SGG in general

[signal aspen]

I don't remember buying anything from the points shop

[manic bobcat]

laughs in 20k, down to 13k after a spending spree

[void vigil]

i have just enough points to buy every points shop exclusive hades item but then i will have no points.... what do i do....

[manic bobcat]

i need to stop wasting money on steam

[royal thistle]

yes I don't spend money on games often

[manic bobcat]

"only 10k alma"

[royal thistle]

I have a crippling lamp addiction

[signal aspen]

Bruh

[royal thistle]

I just bought a lamp and I want another

[signal aspen]

Yeah same

[royal thistle]

ikea lamp pog

[manic bobcat]

where is this conversation heading lmao

[royal thistle]

but why does this channel have imbeded but not image perms

[void vigil]

to prevent spam

[royal thistle]

image perms with extra steps

😔

I gotta get my hades screenshots

transfer them to my phone via qr code

then transfer them to my pc

then turn them into link..

p a i n

[manic bobcat]

switch?

[royal thistle]

yup

[signal aspen]

I just upload them to a private discord server and then copy link and post it here

Ez

[royal thistle]

I'm not enough of a no life to own a priv discord server

[signal aspen]

Good for you

[royal thistle]

maybe if a dude gifts me nitro maybe

[manic bobcat]

you dont need nitro for a private server

[royal thistle]

bruh dst has stuff yet btd 6 barely has anything

[royal thistle]

no so I can use animated emojis

all from 1 place

anyways 🪃 is the best emote

[manic bobcat]

[royal thistle]

why does this exist

it's overdesigned

[manic bobcat]

is it?

it's just a laughing zag

[royal thistle]

look how cluttered it is

anyways bouldy flushed when

👍

[manic bobcat]

[royal thistle]

anyways you seem knowledgable @manic bobcat how tf does a sw/sh nuz even work

[void vigil]

if you want to talk about games that arent hades, please move to #video-games

[manic bobcat]

what does that have to do what hades

[royal thistle]

😔

nerd

no one likes the other channels

[signal aspen]

Bruh

[royal thistle]

you know it's true no one likes the other channels

[manic bobcat]

well it's literally not true

[royal thistle]

it's true now

👍

[dark vector]

everyone's been using the other channels. this server is just quiet

[signal aspen]

Bruh

[manic bobcat]

i think it's just smaller gaming server in general

if you want traffic go join minecraft or league or whatever else

[royal thistle]

I mean you really think someone sane would join the league discord

[manic bobcat]

join whatever makes you happy my guy
hades makes me happy, so im here
others find League server a good place to be, so yeah
life is too short to conform to whatever stereotype people assign a certain game

[high island]

Please try to stay away from ableist language.

[hearty bramble]

so apparently the new hades giclee prints come with ||a little cardboard laurel headband LOL|| (spoilering in case anyone wants to keep it a surprise??)

||https://twitter.com/bottled_angel/status/1409610642139590669?s=20||

[hexed smelt]

oh!!! i have one of those!

the ||headband|| i mean

mine's signed tho :>

[hearty bramble]

oohh!! did it come with a previous order?

i saw some people get hades stickers too!! i want 🥺

[hexed smelt]

i got it as a present :> then i took it with me when i went to the concert down in london and got it signed

[hearty bramble]

ohh thats so cool!!

[dark vector]

broooo that's so cool

[surreal adder]

Does anyone know when the Chthonic Gods posters are to ship?

[royal thistle]

kirby return to dreamland

sword is just

excalibur on steroids

1 slash that deals stupid damage

[unborn remnant]

Zagreus

[royal thistle]

what.

I don't understand but I whole heartedly agree

[unborn remnant]

glad we're on the same page

[royal thistle]

anyways worms

#off-topic-discussion doesn't exist btw

everything is general if you don't categorize

😔 only got 2 hades gifs

[cyan tiger]

wha

[royal thistle]

damn.

got deleted

people really hate bald people

[uncut dagger]

I'm right there with you

[royal thistle]

tryna think of a fun fact

[uncut dagger]

I got one

[royal thistle]

it better be fun

or at least amusing

[uncut dagger]

Achilles is gay
that's the fun fact of the day

[royal thistle]

that isn't fun

[uncut dagger]

it's fun for me, and I'm the only person that matters

[royal thistle]

that's just a normal fact

[royal thistle]

valid

[manic bobcat]

Based.

[royal thistle]

I react the same way

wait I remember a fun fact

wait it's a bit brutal so nvm

it was a fun fact about dolphins :)

time for the fact

fun fact: dolphins play keep up as well

I'm not gonna say what they do it with

but they do

smeat

[manic bobcat]

You should move to #off-topic-discussion before long

[royal thistle]

haha #off-topic-discussion doesn't exist

if I believe it doesn't exist

so B)

29 minutes and 16 seconds

that is all

:)

[unborn remnant]

thats a fun fact

[royal thistle]

but that isn't a fact..

😠

[uncut dagger]

based ngl

[unborn remnant]

thank you

[manic bobcat]

Here's a good advice:
Git gud

[uncut dagger]

I can't

[signal aspen]

Git gud

[unborn remnant]

I'm bad

[uncut dagger]

aren't we all

[unborn remnant]

what ❓ about the ones 1️⃣ in 📂 #h1-high-heat-strategies ❓

[quaint wind]

hey it's getting a bit much

[unborn remnant]

sorry

[quaint wind]

circle back to hades content team

[steep elm]

just did final boss phase 1 hitless for the first time
artemis builds are busted tbh

also without summons or calls

[crisp fractal]

in trying to do an aspect of demeter zeus build rn

[steep elm]

go for the aspect of demeter with demeter boons

applying a lot of chill is fun, but the idea is mostly for the funny

[green umbra]

At work thinking about hades

I wanna do more runs

Finished all the bow bounties last night

Hopefully gonna finish fists tonight assuming its purple and i dont biff it.

[keen lichen]

lmao left hydra with 1hp. dyonisius boon has fountain restore me to full next screen.

[signal aspen]

Who is dyonisius

I only know Dionysus

[crisp fractal]

this seems like a fun idea, going for builds based off of the aspect's name like going for a zeus build using the zeus shield or demeter with demeter fists

[signal aspen]

Thats the monthly challenge for june

Use aspect of Poseidon and then get a bunch of Poseidon boons

[crisp fractal]

what weapon works best for a dionysus build?

[signal aspen]

You can use Chiron

Or eris rail because of the 75% damage buff

[crisp fractal]

I'm not that good with eris rail I think I'll try chiron

[keen lichen]

finally getting the hang of it. 2nd successful escape, this time with the machinegun

i'm excited for my next run. sword's the favored weapon.

[modest lantern]

I found once I started escaping, I barely died like ever

But that's when you start finishing the mirror ig

[mint coral]

nothing like hugging dad with triple shot rama

[stoic flame]

😩

[manic bobcat]

[prisma rivet]

Hi everybody! Just finished my first clear of Hades and I am positively in love!

[river vigil]

Congrats

[prisma rivet]

Thank you!!

[hardy socket]

wave makers piss me off

[prisma rivet]

LOL, those guys are so annoying

[hardy socket]

yeah lmfao

Im tryna get fully friends with skelly he's pretty lit.

[prisma rivet]

Unless you have Athena's abilities, then they are easy peasy

Oh Skelly is an awesome broski!

[hardy socket]

yeee

[prisma rivet]

I bought the game for the fast paced combat, now I'm staying for the immaculate character design, dialogue and storylines 😄

[hardy socket]

hey astro how far are you?

[hardy socket]

My brother told me it was good so i bought it

[prisma rivet]

I just got a back to back for my second clear, so I'm not very far

Attempt 33 is next

[hardy socket]

I just barely got to wave makers.

I think attempt like, 18/23 is next for me.

[prisma rivet]

Ah, I see. Try not to feel bad if you see people super far ahead with way less attempts. One of the things I like most about Hades is how much you can take it at your own pace

[stoic flame]

when will skelly reveal his origins

[hardy socket]

yeah, and that your MENT to die over and over and over.

[stoic flame]

its been so long

[hardy socket]

He probably doesent

[stoic flame]

._.

[prisma rivet]

Just keep playing and giving him Nectar~

[oak ibex]

Skelly's origins are funny

In the sense he keeps leading you on and you want to smack him because of it

[prisma rivet]

Exactly hahah

[stoic flame]

i forged a bond with him like 30 escape attempts before

40 even

he was mmy first bond

[prisma rivet]

Oh LOL

[oak ibex]

There are other characters involved with him. I won't give out which characters you specifically need to spoil as that it on itself spoils Skelly's origins

[prisma rivet]

And try using Skelly's Tooth as well

[stoic flame]

my second most used keepsake of all time

lmoa

[stoic flame]

i kind of know already

i was dumb enough to read the wiki

that was a mistake

[oak ibex]

Ah, yeah, I get that

I'm doing my best not to read the wiki for the other story elements I haven't unlocked...which is frustrating in the sense I am still working on reuniting Achilles and Patroclus. Not to mention Nyx and Chaos being a thing I want to do as well. UGH WHY IS IT SO HARD TO UNLOCK HEARTS-

[prisma rivet]

Hahahaha

Just think, that just means you get to play the game for longer 😆

[wraith ginkgo]

what is a good way to get darkness

||so I can reunite chaos and nyx|| (locked heart spoilers)

[stoic flame]

play already cleared heats

with dark thirst weapons

do all the infernal troves

with darkness

[wraith ginkgo]

thanks!

[prisma rivet]

Anyone else feel like speedrunning so they can watch videos or read posts without getting spoiled? hahahaha

[oak ibex]

Literally me tho: seriously, I grind the game solely for the story...and so I can romance Meg and Than-

[prisma rivet]

Oh my God, saaaaammmmeee!! I looooovvvveeee Than and Zag's relationship~~~

[royal thistle]

:) r a i l

[prisma rivet]

Any time I hear "Death Approaches" I squel, even if someone else is playing Hades at the moment send help

[oak ibex]

For whom the bell tolls? For my bisexual heart, that's who-

[prisma rivet]

SAAAMMMEEEEE!

[royal thistle]

mm when than says that's settled then

[stoic flame]

than during an escape attempt is annoying

he just stands there

and lets time pass

[prisma rivet]

Haha, yeah if you're playing for time I can see how that would make the run drag on a bit

[royal thistle]

I mean yes

all the extra seconds adds up

dying to timer is one of the most embarrassing ways to die

[stoic flame]

the 9 min timer is very generous

[royal thistle]

9 min? ew..

[stoic flame]

im still a noob 😔

[royal thistle]

always run double tight deadline

it's normally around enough time

[stoic flame]

i do em2 instead

for extra pain and suffering

[oak ibex]

Nah, I died once on the timer: never again

[royal thistle]

I died twice cause rng said beam run

I've only died to timer thrice and 2 of them were beam runs

and the other was zeus shield

but double tight deadline is pretty easy heat

7 min per area is pretty decent

[prisma rivet]

The last run I did lasted 40 minutes 🥺

Over two play sessions

[royal thistle]

40 in game time?

or irl

cause in game is very diff

[prisma rivet]

In game haha

[royal thistle]

w h a t

[prisma rivet]

Gotta smash all those pots

[royal thistle]

how bad was your build

wait did you smash

ALL OF THEM

or just the gold ones

[prisma rivet]

All of them 😅

[royal thistle]

w h y

anyways fav aspect @prisma rivet

mine is zag bow :)

[prisma rivet]

Whatttt???

Zag bow... I struggle so hard with it

[royal thistle]

c r i t

I love c r i t

[prisma rivet]

Hahahaha

[royal thistle]

it only takes 5 titan blood to max

pretty sure

so it's really cheap

and really good

all zag weapons are good except zag spear

we don't talk about that one

[prisma rivet]

I love running up and circle strafing/dash striking every enemy LOL

[royal thistle]

anyways thoughts on rail

aka g u n

[prisma rivet]

Love it

[royal thistle]

good

[prisma rivet]

Eris is my preferred aspect

[royal thistle]

ah yes easy mode

[prisma rivet]

Easy mode until you enable the self damage special for the prophecy 🤣

[royal thistle]

I mean..

chaos is really pog

until he gives you backstab darkness and rock boosts

[prisma rivet]

No, I mean the Daedalus upgrade

[royal thistle]

e

have u unlocked the hiddens yet?

[prisma rivet]

Nope ..

[royal thistle]

damn..

you don't got arthur/lucifer yet

[prisma rivet]

Nah

I'm trying my best haha

[royal thistle]

l a z e r

hopefully soon you will be able to use the water gun build

but at the same time zag rail works

or getting inf ammo hammer

[prisma rivet]

That's how I got my second clear LOL

[stoic flame]

literally why

[royal thistle]

wait

[stoic flame]

every weapon is better than zag bow

[royal thistle]

didn't read the message right after

and bro

c r i t

and being able to take the juicy dmg %

like athena

and still have more crit rate then a common attack

(you can also have crit casts too)

or have stupidly high amount of crit chance

with art attack

it's also hella cheap

[prisma rivet]

All playstyles may not be ideal, but they're definitely valid

[royal thistle]

I mean every bow has a very specific niesh except zag bow

so it isn't used it speedruns since it's still hella good it just doesn't specialized in anything

it's a jack of all trades

good at all master at none

[limpid quartz]

Woah my first clear with the spear is sea Storm zag spear (granted sea Storm is bonkers good)

[chrome wharf]

it's a good vanilla weapon

[royal thistle]

but like every other zag aspect is better

[chrome wharf]

no fancy things to take up brain cells

[modern garnet]

the zag aspects are just "uncool"

[royal thistle]

anyways eris rail is the most braindead weapon

you know it's true

[prisma rivet]

😭

[royal thistle]

don't forget the op version we have now

is POST NERF

[prisma rivet]

"Search your feelings, you know it to be true"

[royal thistle]

splitting bolt

finally started leaving me alone

[stoic flame]

eris rail gets a bit too insane with rocket and cluster

[crude surge]

Clockets

[modern garnet]

eris hazard bomb 😍

[royal thistle]

eris gets insane with anything except hazard

[sudden jay]

bruh i just downloaded the game and its so fun

[stoic flame]

faxx

[royal thistle]

but fun fact: super giant kinda hates hazard

[sudden jay]

and by just i mean like 6 hours ago

[royal thistle]

it can't even combine with anything

[stoic flame]

who even plays hazard bomb

[royal thistle]

you might wanna go into new players there are spoilers here

[sudden jay]

ok

[royal thistle]

but yeah hazard can't even combine with anything

it's so sad

like bro at least throw it a bone

like rockets

[prisma rivet]

Congrats on finding this masterpiece of a game!! Welcome to the Hades community

[crude surge]

Hazard badard

[royal thistle]

or even triple

[crude surge]

Hazard rockets might be too broken though

[sudden jay]

lol ive recently become obsessed with roguelikes

[stoic flame]

why does hazard even show up when ur playing eris

should be illegal

[sudden jay]

like risk of rain 2

[royal thistle]

I mean we have cluster rockets

[modern garnet]

because that would make eris too good

[royal thistle]

but hazard rockets can't synergize with eris

so it's balanced

[stoic flame]

yes

[crude surge]

I mean

[stoic flame]

its like having flurry jab on hades spear

[crude surge]

You can i frame the blast

So it’s doable

But not

[stoic flame]

💀

[crude surge]

What’s the word

[royal thistle]

it's balanced cause it can't work with eris the all mighty that well

[crude surge]

Good

[modern garnet]

reducing the hammer pool is a subtle buff for a weapon

[crude surge]

True

[royal thistle]

imagine they remove triple shot

:)

[crude surge]

lol

[prisma rivet]

Hazard Eris is underrated 😎

[crude surge]

Triple is like

[royal thistle]

all the rama users will be crying

[crude surge]

The best hammer on many bows

[royal thistle]

double > tripple cause I like being able to hit more then 1 shot on small/medium enemies

and people hate chain shot a bit too much

[modern garnet]

bosskilling is kinda the priority when it comes to how good a weapon is

and chain shot doesn't do as much to bosses as other hammers

[royal thistle]

I mean all bosses have more then 1 enemy

👀

like every one

[modern garnet]

well yeah but like

not most of the time

[royal thistle]

it doesn't help much against the first and final

but the 2nd and 3rd it makes a breeze

but it also reduces your reg room time

[modern garnet]

oh cool you managed to kill the one minion that meg summons without aiming for it

[royal thistle]

chain shot vs lernie doe 😏

the +15% per enemy kinda cool

[modern garnet]

yeah ok

but what build DOESN'T shred lernie

[stoic flame]

i dont like chain shot

pierce ftw

[royal thistle]

it specifically shreds the phase

s

[stoic flame]

lernie is easy

its the lava

[royal thistle]

where you don't bully solo lernie

[stoic flame]

that kills me

[royal thistle]

imagine having to aim at more then 2 hydra head

but remember they made repulse shot

a real thing

[brisk trail]

repulse shot on rama?

[royal thistle]

yes

[brisk trail]

thats like the worst hammer on it I never want that

[royal thistle]

it's one of the reasons why I avoid rama

since I'm a ap2 addict

[brisk trail]

you get 2 hammers at least :)

[stoic flame]

rama is my fav bow

[brisk trail]

I think a lot of weapons get rekt by ap2 tho

[stoic flame]

hera is a close second

[brisk trail]

sword is a big one

fists get also bad

[royal thistle]

fists is good with ap2

sword with ap2 is uhh

yes

but bow gets fricked the hardest

since you can get charged volley

😰

[stoic flame]

what is ap2

[royal thistle]

approval process

x2

[stoic flame]

what does it do

i dont remember names

😔

[royal thistle]

:)

it makes rng take the wheel

so there are almost never good boons

[stoic flame]

oh the boons one?

[royal thistle]

you have to live with what you got

[stoic flame]

which cancels bons

death

[royal thistle]

and do good

with any build

[brisk trail]

fists you get some bs like heavy knuckle or quake and byebye combos

[royal thistle]

quake is decent

but heavy knuckle

= ouch

[brisk trail]

charged yolley is nice tho

[royal thistle]

quake got like

the op base damage

[royal thistle]

haha..

no..

[brisk trail]

haha...

yes...

[royal thistle]

bro..

you can only get it on the 2 bows that don't really want it

mmm yes charged volley zag bow/hera (I think)

[brisk trail]

yes

its nice dmg

just like quake :)

[royal thistle]

it's like triple shot

but like

[brisk trail]

and it doesnt even brick you!

[royal thistle]

without the good

quake doesn't brick doe

it's just a damage boost

mm 90 base damage

[brisk trail]

it makes you stay in place pretty sure

[royal thistle]

that's basically adding a rocket

[brisk trail]

which is die

[royal thistle]

I mean

you can cancel it

so..

like

yeah

it doesn't always have to come up

it's also quick

[stoic flame]

lucifer is the most boon dependent weapon i think

[brisk trail]

how so?

[royal thistle]

I mean no

[stoic flame]

the base lazer does meh damage

what else

[royal thistle]

wait

[stoic flame]

name anything else