so I was always real close to everyone
#h1-discussion
craggy barn
afk build users be like doing nothing this is so fun
hollow kettle
What’s the afk build
viscid quail
fax
runic parrot
i get to play like my hero luigi
runic parrot
What’s the afk build
get as many revenge boon as you can and then the duo that lets you activate revenge boons every so often
i think its zeus-ares
viscid quail
^
craggy barn
but luigi doesn't even get hit in most cases smhsmh
viscid quail
its afk because you dont have to do anything. anyone who gets too close get struck by lightning, doom, hangover, and whatever else you want
runic parrot
has anyone ever done em4 with it
viscid quail
nope lol. I've havnt played that long
undone moat
i think both hael's attempts are em3
brisk trail
shud i take electric shot ?
gaunt tapir
how hard is EM4
old tundra
hard
hearty bramble
how hard is EM4
its pretty wild
austere wagon
hold up zag just ||had sex with mag|| LMFAO
gaunt tapir
😏
brazen lagoon
They were playing board games wdym
copper canopy
You have the board game purchased right?
austere wagon
yeap
copper canopy
i wonder who won
Doesn’t matter, they both had a good time.
austere wagon
also ||battie, rib or fidi||
austere wagon
Doesn’t matter, they both had a good time.
xdddd
hearty bramble
also ||battie, rib or fidi||
||i use mort 🥺||
copper canopy
I usually use ||mort|| as well
austere wagon
||mort||is from?
copper canopy
||mort||is from?
Exactly
austere wagon
wait what
copper canopy
Think about the word you just typed by accident
copper canopy
||mort||is from?
hearty bramble
||mort|| is from?
||its than||
austere wagon
||its than||
oki thanks
copper canopy
I thought my answer was clever 
austere wagon
;/
copper canopy
||Mortis|| means death
outer dew
what's the worst thing that could happen
Death
trail pendant
||https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mortis||
immediately got some FAITH series vibes from this
deep parrot
is angering dio or aphro worse?
hollow hawk
i would say aphro is definitely worse
since her heart arrow things can spawn out of nowhere and hit you unexpectedly
brazen lagoon
Aprho is def worse
deep parrot
well
if I get dio first I can have a higher chance of duos because I'll have more duo options
so I might pick angering aphro anyways,
or wait no
duos aren't possible during trials right?
hushed pumice
Indeed
deep parrot
btw only min hell mode heat
I don't have FO2 or HI5 whatever those are
deep parrot
well then if no duos no reason to anger aphro
hushed pumice
Fo2 is a massive speed increase, Hl5 is double damage
deep parrot
HL is hard labor and fo is forced overtime
that means nothing to me lmao
deep parrot
Fo2 is a massive speed increase, Hl5 is double damage
this does
brazen lagoon
Strong enemy fast enemy
hushed pumice
Heart going hyper speed and chunks you is awful never do it
brazen lagoon
Shi all 3 of those are bangers
gaunt tapir
EM4 time
deep parrot
Shi all 3 of those are bangers
atk actually isn't really rn cuz I am using spear and already got her flourish
I have lv1 zag (as in 10% spec increase, not lv0) so my special is just board wide better
especially since usually one of the two hits gets backstab
tho
deep parrot
I got like 6 bloods total all spent lmao
I am gonna max the zags before I try other stuff
though
hestia is bestia holy crap
so I will def max hestia first
(I tried speedrunning and hated it but I like hestia)
brazen lagoon
Zag bow is probably the best zag aspect to me
deep parrot
and zag aspects aren't bad
just the other aspects are op
gaunt tapir
I got to phase 2 im so proud
deep parrot
screw witches omg
brazen lagoon
Witches circle will kick your ass if you're not careful
runic parrot
divine dash laughs at thee
deep parrot
not circle
tartarus yellow health baby witches
brazen lagoon
Oh those ones?
brazen lagoon
They're not that bad
deep parrot
and they all had shield health
runic parrot
asphodel witches are the worst to deal with even with divine dash
deep parrot
I left it with 8 hp left
though all my DD intact
gaunt tapir
I don't think there's enough hate for elysium witches
brazen lagoon
Oh I hate them plenty
deep parrot
elysium witches are easier than asphodel witches
what bonus do they gain from having shield?
or do all elysium enemies start with yellow health?
gaunt tapir
not all
hushed pumice
Shielded enemies get bonuses when you have benefits package active
deep parrot
they also get a revamp to their attacks
that is what I am asking
what changes between being a shielded or unshielded enemy?
nothing?
gaunt tapir
more health and you can't stun
deep parrot
not about pact
about simply starting with yellow vs red health
and if their attack changes
since witches are the most obvious to change from having shield
this convo aside:
just because I wanted it for prophecy doesn't mean I want to keep it LMAO
gaunt tapir
lol
brazen lagoon
It's not too good anyways
deep parrot
exactly
most legends I prolly should keep anyways
but like
that one is weak
and 415g
like
400 gold is so good
brazen lagoon
400g is a lot
hushed pumice
Charm isn't weak tho
Depends on how good your build is for it
If you can apply it quickly it just trivializes every single enemy
deep parrot
spear
not good
fists or rail it would be great
but not spear
charm is strong
but it's unimportant
like how poms are unimportant while I am trying to 100% the game
if I am trying to win yeah it's nice
but not if I am just trying to 100%
hushed pumice
Faster runs means faster 100 %
deep parrot
does vicious skewer do +50% dmg on throw AND return?
or does the +50% dmg trade for the 50% crit
deep parrot
Faster runs means faster 100 %
more gold and less poms means more chances to get legends and duos
deep parrot
does vicious skewer do +50% dmg on throw AND return?
or does the +50% dmg trade ...
still this question
deep parrot
seeing as I got 76 from first throw and 86 from return WITH backstab at max mirror, that should mean it was a tradeoff right?
ofc high crit chance is amazing
but still
there is a prophecy about me doing this successfully right?
deep parrot
in a row
and that's it?
brazen lagoon
Ye
deep parrot
but it's as difficult as hades?
brazen lagoon
Yeah mostly because he has about the same health as phase 2 hades
And also you're usually under equipped to face him when compared to hades
gaunt tapir
I'd say ignore the bag in tartarus if you wanna have a decent chance at beating him
deep parrot
how much does he move; will my spear return of special be useful?
cuz I do have 25% crit chance avg
I am in asphodel
gaunt tapir
Just wait for RNGsus to give it to you in elysium
deep parrot
50% chance on returns, 0 on sends
brazen lagoon
I would not recommend fighting charon in tartarus
gaunt tapir
That'll come in useful
deep parrot
ASPHODEL
gaunt tapir
You could give it a try
brazen lagoon
OK that's slightly better
gaunt tapir
You're gonna do it sooner or later
brazen lagoon
Elysium would be optimal
gaunt tapir
How many DDs do you have
gaunt tapir
You'll be fine
brazen lagoon
Go for it
gaunt tapir
He deals like 40 damage per hit doe
brazen lagoon
He does hit like a dump truck
deep parrot
define "two in a row"
as in both times I try it, I do it successfully?
or do I HAVE to take the next time I see it?
do both have to be in the same run?
gaunt tapir
Experiment and find out
brazen lagoon
Just beat him twice in a row
gaunt tapir
I have no idea
gaunt tapir
You cant find him twice in a run
deep parrot
could you send a video of his fight?
I wanna see his moves and prepare
hushed pumice
YouTube exists Pinecone
gaunt tapir
Dont spoil the fun part cmon
hushed pumice
Eh we don't all want the same things
gaunt tapir
Imagine spoiling yourself
deep parrot
you are not helpful
brazen lagoon
You are not fun
deep parrot
you are a nuisance rn
brazen lagoon
You are cringe
hushed pumice
And you're not being kind at all right now
deep parrot
lmao not caring about spoilers is not cringe
and btw those are not directed at you phoe
just arty and gho
brazen lagoon
Cringe
dapper oracle
the only time I've beaten charon was in tartarus
hushed pumice
I'd just like everyone to remember the policy of this discord
deep parrot
the only time I've beaten charon was in tartarus
LMAO
brazen lagoon
I'd just like everyone to remember the policy of this discord
I am just joking I do not care
dapper oracle
@deep parrot it was, what, my second or third time fighting him? and of course I used all of my death defiance on him
hollow kettle
You know I’d been avoiding Explosive Shot because I was annoyed by not being able to shoot fast but I think the damage it dishes out is worth it because holy crap
dapper oracle
I don't remember whether I made it out that run
brazen lagoon
I remember fighting charon for the first time
Walked out with no dds and a credit card
hollow kettle
I did like 700 something on a power shot and I’m not even sure if I crit or not
fresh crest
He absolutely destroyed me the first time 😂
deep parrot
oh wow yeah his attacks are telegraphed
so much so I doubt I even needed to look for that
LMAO
the record slip
that sound feels out of place
oh
phase 2 is
harder
I died
sonic acorn
bout to start the game for my first time
brazen lagoon
Usually how most first encounters with charon go
sonic acorn
currently stuck on first time setup but i think itll be done soon
yup right as i said
hollow kettle
You know I’d been avoiding Explosive Shot because I was annoyed by not being abl...
Frickin chariots catch up too fast for me to shoot them though
gaunt tapir
You can dash through and hit em from behind
sonic acorn
is controller recommended?
brazen lagoon
Kbm works just fine but controller is recommended yes
karmic hare
what does the hades monthly challenge rank do
brazen lagoon
Notify you when the next monthly challenge is out
karmic hare
ok what are the monthly challanges
brazen lagoon
Check the pins in #h1-builds-and-combat
karmic hare
ok thanks
sonic acorn
i just turned off vsync and game feels much better
leaden turtle
what happens if you try to quit during a boss chamber? does it just put you back at the beginning of the fight?
leaden turtle
arrgh, this sucks i'm at the room just before a boss encounter and i can't close the game cos it's saying i need to enter the next chamber to safely quit
is it gonna push me back to the chamber before if i quit now, before entering the boss chamber?
gaunt tapir
Cant you complete the boss and then leave?
Or leave the game open? Just to not risk it
hushed pumice
Listen
leaden turtle
i have to restart my pc cos my controller and receiver seemed to have stopped talking to each other
hushed pumice
You can now only give up or fight
leaden turtle
nvm after changing my receiver to another port it seems to be working again
hushed pumice
Give up will put you back in the courtyard and your run won't count for anything
leaden turtle
hopefully it doesn't cut out again mid fight
tight cave
Pretty sure you can pause and quit right before the boss dialogue starts and it'll put you back in the boss room when you return.
leaden turtle
oh nice, that's good to know in case i really do need to restart
tight cave
Worked for me in the Furies fight and with the Hydra.
humble lotus
Wow zagreus litraly just renamed a boss
silk river
aww, you mean cute lil lernie?
tight sage
Where can I put suggestions?
gaunt tapir
For what exactly?
tight sage
For the game. I have an idea for a suggested update
gaunt tapir
I'm not sure they're taking suggestions of any sort apart from bug fixes
tight sage
Okay well, what does everyone think of Zag having different unlockable outfits? They could even give him different stats or bonuses.
silk river
eh
tight sage
I think it would be a cool addition to Zags room. Hades has a collection of robes. It’d be cool if you could have different outfits
humble lotus
Quick question, can you get more fans?
gaunt tapir
Nope
humble lotus
Wait i just thought of something, i wish achilies, hypnos, thanatos, and the like could show up in the stands of the stadium to watch you fight
outer dew
If i have hades on my switch i have to pay for getting it on my pc as well correct?
humble lotus
If i have hades on my switch i have to pay for getting it on my pc as well corre...
Yes
tacit ember
HELLLO
yes
so i just had a run
and i tryed to kill hades with my ||summon ||because i wanted to see if there would be special diologe
but guess what
||meg ||killed the little egg thing instead of hades
opaque socket
b r u h
sonic acorn
why does hades perform first time setup whenever i launch it from steam
does it just happen in the first few times i launch the game or all the time
trail plover
Is Steam Remote play an option for Hades? Does that mean someone could play the game using their iPad?
manic bobcat
I think so.
But I'm concerned about the delay and you need a computer and network to run it.
winter harbor
how would the controls work on ipad?
you gonna link a controller to your ipad to play it?
trail plover
That could be a possibility. A friend of mine was curious about it. They're thinking of buying the game because it's on sale. ^^
copper canopy
||meg ||killed the little egg thing instead of hades
I had something similar happen yesterday.
As far as I can tell, there isn’t alternate dialogue for dealing the killing blow with them, but there is dialogue for ||summoning|| it in the first place(although you know that)
I only reiterate that/bring that up because my favorite dialogue for ||summoning|| so far has to be from summoning ||Dusa||
||Hades: “You’re summoning the custodian for help?”||
open garnet
Guys what’s the best farming method for purple orbs
trail pendant
so can I obtain waking phrase for adamant rail at the start of the run?
That should be possible right?
unkempt sleet
Guys what’s the best farming method for purple orbs
Bosses and Poseidon, mostly.
unkempt sleet
so can I obtain waking phrase for adamant rail at the start of the run?
Yeah, both Artemis and Zeus can give you a waking phrase in the first room.
austere mesa
Do Chaos Boons count for Shattered Shackle?
narrow hemlock
shackle is only affected by your stuff in your atk/special/cast/call slots
hushed pumice
Shackle isn't affected by call though
fringe shuttle
Hi
wicked sphinx
Ok, might be a stupid question, but does max hp heat rise also rise the bosses HP
past mirage
It does.
wicked sphinx
I could have won 2 more times now 
tight cave
Okay well, what does everyone think of Zag having different unlockable outfits? ...
About this, Supergiant has officially stated that they won't be adding outfits for Zagreus simply because of the ridiculous amount of work it would entail, redoing every sprite in every animation in every direction. I'll see if I can find the tweet in a bit.
deep parrot
is refreshing nectar wasted on legends and duos, or does it somehow make it more likely to get legends and duos?
deep parrot
About this, Supergiant has officially stated that they won't be adding outfits f...
the one downside of a 2D game that isn't running in some 3D engine
wind oar
I have an idea regarding Cthonic Companions
deep parrot
iirc factorio actually renders the sprites off a 3D model, not sure though
wind oar
My idea: You may switch out your Cthonic Companion in between regions, it costs 1 ambrosia to switch and increases by 1 each time until you die.
unkempt sleet
is refreshing nectar wasted on legends and duos, or does it somehow make it more...
Things that improve your chances of rarer boons also improve your chances for duos/Legendary
deep parrot
Things that improve your chances of rarer boons also improve your chances for du...
it doesn't improve your chances though, it just makes things +1 rarity
idk
unkempt sleet
It still improves the chances, like finding a boon in a miniboss chamber
unkempt sleet
yeah but those boons are rarer
deep parrot
does the game try to force 2 hermes like it does hammers or does it just only offer hermes twice?
wind oar
It feels similar to hammers
unkempt sleet
I think it's the same as hammers
unkempt sleet
Yeah there's a good chance to find one in Styx shop
Which is additional to the two you get elsewhere
narrow hemlock
About this, Supergiant has officially stated that they won't be adding outfits f...
it was on steam
Hades is a 2D game with no real-time 3D rendering. That means every single frame of Zagreus animation exists as a unique image.
For example, when Zagreus shoots his bow (the standard attack), it's a 104-frame animation rendered at 32 angles. So that's 3,328 frames for that one short animation. We also have two alternate Weapon Aspects (and later will add another), bringing that number up to 9,984 since our Weapon Aspects are 'reskins' of each weapon.
The idea of an alternate 'skin' for Zagreus would mean dramatically compounding these types of large frame counts, having big implications on the game's file size and other technical aspects such as the memory requirement. In other words, if we had 'skins' for Zagreus it would mean having to multiply our entire already-substantial animation set. On top of that we would have to redraw all of Zagreus' character portraits during story scenes. And this would be for just one alternate 'skin'.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/1864993755183591660/#c1864993755185620425
trail pendant
F for Zag skins
tight cave
it was on steam
```
Hades is a 2D game with no real-time 3D rendering. That me...
That's the one. Thanks!
wind oar
tbh I don't really feel like it's neccessary to have skins
I'm just happy that the game is out
trail pendant
The game is awesome as it is
wind oar
Exactly
trail pendant
No need for more
tight cave
Yeah, I feel like enough players probably wouldn't even use them to justify the unrealistic workload.
trail pendant
It's just a cool idea
wind oar
I don't really think there will be anymore massive content additions to the game
Makes me wish I was here in the early access days
Just nobody told me that the game existed
So yeah, I was a little late to the party
deep parrot
does cosmic egg make chaos more likely at all?
wispy monolith
Qui yes/no question
deep parrot
What if Hades was in Hades?
he... is...
wispy monolith
Does Athena's melee boon work with blocking with the shield?
mystic steeple
he... is...
I... wish...
deep parrot
....
you're trolling
granite ether
hmm, depends on if Mr Cheese is referring to Hades the person or Hades the location 
deep parrot
hades is a place, fictional or not?
copper canopy
As for DLC, I just want a way to reroll Daedalus’ upgrades.
wind oar
Mods aren't a thing
copper canopy
That’s CHEATING
deep parrot
...
granite ether
yes their are, and no they're not cheating
wispy monolith
Isn't there a thing you can get in ||Stuck|| that does that?
granite ether
there's a Hades modding server invite pinned in #self-promotion
copper canopy
Isn't there a thing you can get in ||Stuck|| that does that?
That’s random and it takes away a random one
I actually hate that anvil because
-it takes up the space where Hermes is
-it always takes away an upgrade I like
-it always gives me ones I don’t want
wind oar
Oh my goodness
wind oar
Nobody notified me of mods
deep parrot
does cosmic egg make chaos more likely at all?
me and argyle still have a ? btw guys
copper canopy
did you say s word hammers?
deep parrot
yes
granite ether
Chaos Egg doesn't increase the chance of Chaos gates appearing
copper canopy
Dat’s a swear :C
copper canopy
I know I was being amusing
deep parrot
Nobody notified me of mods
EVERY game has mods
sure it might not be integrated but EVERY game has mods
wind oar
Hm
deep parrot
even games like nintendo games have mods
it takes a while for people to manage to hack them on the newer consoles, and often you have to jailbreak the switch to do so, and can't do online stuff anymore, but still
but older nintendo games def have mods
they're called romhacks
all a mod is is just change the game's code to be atleast slightly different, not within said game
it is really easy to mod games
if on pc
if on the switch that's another story
but making mods for any pc game is really easy
more complicated mods can be difficult, but making a mod at all is easy
versed verge
does shackle only work if all 3 attack special and cast dont have a boon?
deep parrot
it works for anything that isn't filled
if your attack slot isn't filled, then your attacks will deal more damage
and so forth for special and cast and maybe etc
deep parrot
Does Athena's melee boon work with blocking with the shield?
this question is still unanswered
strange beacon
are there any 160bpm songs in the hades soundtrack?
deep parrot
bpm is relative
strange beacon
how?
deep parrot
a quarter note in 4/4 time is the same as a half note in 4/4 time with double the bpm
strange beacon
ok well a 80bpm, 160bpm, or 320bpm song lol
deep parrot
you're not asking for it to be fast, just to be in line with (2^x)*(10)?
where x is a whole number, naturally
strange beacon
maybe? i have no idea what that means, just 4/4 160bpm
deep parrot
do you care how fast it is?
or just that it doesn't desync with something else?
narrow hemlock
As for DLC, I just want a way to reroll Daedalus’ upgrades.
this is never going to be a thing in an official capacity btw, amir addressed this during a hermes cup once https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/3969311271670813573/#c2789369598118446756
it comes down to the more control you have over varying aspects of your run, the less replayability the game has because the player will inevitably always seek to optimize their loadout
deep parrot
and if you constantly have the same loadout the game will get stale
narrow hemlock
thats the less replayability part, yeah
deep parrot
I will always pick hazard bomb tho :P
if that is a choice, I'm not picking the other two lmao
narrow hemlock
its something the team is aware the players want, but feel like would actively be a detriment to the game to implement
strange beacon
do you care how fast it is?
or just that it doesn't desync with something else?
its how fast it is for speedrunning trick that the timing is pretty hard on
and everything that i find is copyrighted lol
deep parrot
all music that isn't a century old is copyrighted yes lol
strange beacon
not all music :<
deep parrot
even music that is royalty free is still copyrighted
they just won't charge you for it
unless it is a century old
I think it ceases to have a copyright at all at that point
granite ether
it's death of artist/author + 70 years
tight cave
Fifty to seventy-five years after the death of the creator/composer, depending on the country.
granite ether
yeah depending on country
deep parrot
what about for US
strange beacon
alright
granite ether
death of author + 70 years
deep parrot
why did I think it was 100 years then >.>
admittedly yes a century ago the avg lifespan probably was like 30 years
but still
granite ether
I think so too
deep parrot
oh then there is reason for me to think that ok
granite ether
copyright law is reaally awful...thanks disney
deep parrot
why is it awful?
strange beacon
so if author dies one year after making copyrighted material its 100 years
but if they die 31+ years after making it its 101+ years
narrow hemlock
shouldnt this go in #off-topic-discussion
deep parrot
oh wait
30 years post creation of the thing
so it might usually still be just 100 years even today
just
sometimes people make stuff earlier in life or live a long time
deep parrot
did you guys watch Medic play this at ESA
who? where?
deep parrot
I watch GDQ not ESA
opaque nexus
ah rip
deep parrot
then again tbf they probably happen on diff dates so I prolly could watch both
and tbf again I know a lot of non-american streamers that do GDQ, and never mentioned ESA
opaque nexus
the gdq run already happened
deep parrot
like
the whole nintendo crowd
opaque nexus
ESA is quite a bit smaller of an organization
deep parrot
a lot of non-american nintendo gamers do GDQ and never mention ESA
ah ok
what happens if you anger grandma?
as in, what effect does she have on the fight?
humble lotus
I just had alecto die to a spike trap
wind oar
Haha
deep parrot
I just had alecto die to a spike trap
LMAO
humble lotus
Okay anyone else hit a point where you cant realy do anything to progress more other than just finaly beat hades
halcyon oriole
in a single run I just went from "I don't really like the shield" to "huh, this is pretty great actually"
halcyon oriole
just a matter of how to play it well for a combination of defense and offense
(daedalus upgrades help)
humble lotus
The one issue with the sheild is the fact when you have divine strike gaurding doesnt reflect projectiles
green maple
If it does, it would be like so easy to play
humble lotus
I JUST BEAT HADES FOR THE FIRST TIME THROUGH CHEESE
opaque socket
i love how this game has an enemy that's so annoying it gives you an purchasing option to remove them
deep parrot
what does arty do if you anger her?
deep parrot
i love how this game has an enemy that's so annoying it gives you an purchasing ...
who are the flame wheels?
opaque socket
its those chariot things that explode in elysium
there could be twenty of them just chasing after you and it takes a lot of care to get rid of them
hollow kettle
wish they had a greatshield's release
humble lotus
I found charged shot on sheild cheeses hades
hollow kettle
those guys are more annoying
brazen lagoon
Wish they had an all enemies in elysium dissappear release
runic parrot
theseus release
brazen lagoon
dad release
azure violet
for some reason i can't gift any more ambrosia to dusa. I am 2 hearts away from maxing the affinity gauge (i think thats what its called) but the gift button is not there
brazen lagoon
for some reason i can't gift any more ambrosia to dusa. I am 2 hearts away from ...
the ambrosia required goes up the more you gift her
goes from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4
which is probably why you cant gift her
azure violet
the ambrosia required goes up the more you gift her
oh ok thanks
coarse steppe
yikes i made it to hades with only 175 max hp
coarse steppe
yikes i made it to hades with only 175 max hp
okay i died in like a total of 7 hits
plain depot
i just finished the game and i just wanna say, this is from now on one of my favorite games ever.
outer dew
i just finished the game and i just wanna say, this is from now on one of my fav...
same
humble lotus
So is ||muting hermes|| important?
outer dew
The only game i can think of as better would be maybe BOTW
azure violet
wait what do i do now, dusa just got fired
deep parrot
what does arty do if you anger her?
"
runic parrot
So is ||muting hermes|| important?
it doesnt affect anything but the chats he does with you
outer dew
Green circles roam around
runic parrot
he knows youve got places to be
humble lotus
Um how do i unlock the locked heart for dionysus?
narrow hemlock
keep gifting everyone, it'll happen eventually
rich acorn
YO he's real
I was watching a video and it mentioned how zagreus was a minor god in Hellenistic or Mycenaean mythology
That's super cool idk y but I always thought he was an original character
mossy finch
aren't all the characters based on greek gods?
rich acorn
Yeah but I had never heard of Zagreus
So I thought* this was an original character in an original story
narrow hemlock
nope, zagreus was chosen precisely because theres so little surviving information about him, so its more creative freedom for supergiant
brazen breach
Yeah but I had never heard of Zagreus
He could be the son of Zeus and Persephone, Hades and Persephone, or a merger between Hades and Zeus. Cool stuff!
rich acorn
Yeah and then there’s the whole thing where he’s mysteriously connected to Dionysus and in the game it’s referenced when they prank Orpheus
deep parrot
just because I see athena as an option as a room, I will see more athena in the future, right?
The game has already decided to bind this run to athena?
or do I have to choose that room?
humble lotus
Uh i officialy found the cheese strat for the final boss, it has worked consistantly so far
dark path
brazen lagoon
just because I see athena as an option as a room, I will see more athena in the ...
it'll recommend another god
humble lotus
You just win
brazen lagoon
although the game might just wanna force athena
deep parrot
this is my first time seeing athena as an option and I am in tartarus
but the other option is hammer
IK hammer I will get 2, but like, the sooner the better
deep parrot
I have poseidon cuz I chose that keepsake and got him as my first pickup
I have flood shot and a chaos boon that is still a curse and that's it
brazen lagoon
what weapon are you using
deep parrot
doesn't matter
I am not asking for help with my build
just trying to get prophecies
and athena is just good
and I think I don't have the athena legend or most if not any of her duos
and I am still missing some of this weapon's hammers
brazen lagoon
go for athena then
you might not see her again but you'll def see the hammers again
hallow gate
Is hades boss fight harder when persephone returns or did i get worse over the course of 20 chambers
old tundra
you got worse, or you activated em4
gaunt tapir
got worse
wind oar
Why do flame wheels meow?
wind oar
Daedalus got lonely so he built chariot cats
gaunt tapir
that works too
rapid forum
go on
hallow gate
do you pet the doggo between runs
rapid forum
hallow gate
Do you pet ceberus between runs when he is there
hallow gate
it’s the pets
rapid forum
can only pet cerby back at home
hallow gate
the pets matter
gaunt tapir
only at home yes
humble lotus
Um are the loyalty cards a perminent upgrade or what?
copper canopy
Only 30 more blood until I can max every aspect on every weapon.
copper canopy
Um are the loyalty cards a perminent upgrade or what?
Per run
Once I’ve maxed every aspect, I’ll have done everything besides get all bounties and upgrade the Resource Manager title to max.
After I max all aspects I’ll FINALLY let myself see the true ending.
copper canopy
Nope just a self imposed thing
gaunt tapir
ah I see
copper canopy
Once you get the normal ending it tells you outright how to get the true one
copper canopy
Do what the fates’ prophecy says to do.
gaunt tapir
yes yes
scarlet gull
||imagine dodging cerberus when you could just call over it||
rotund pumice
hey guys
im thinking about getting the game now that its in sale, are the keyboard and mouse controls good ?
rapid forum
as someone that have tried both, they're good
but it's like picking your poison really. Controllers, right arm pain. KBM, left arm pain 
rapid forum
KBM control is good
rotund pumice
and playing anything that is not a shooter seems hard somehow
most games have too many buttons
and im not used to pc gaming
rapid forum
Hades's control is easy to remember cause there's not much of it
undone moat
kbm have more buttons than controller LOL
on controller it needs to double bind on some buttons
it is quite low end pc friendly iirc
rotund pumice
kbm have more buttons than controller LOL
on controller it needs to double bind ...
exacly
but
its not ergonomic
so i cant reach buttons comfortably
undone moat
pick your poison tbh haha and if you dont have a controller, and no plans to buy one, kbm do just fine if not excellent
the furthest default button on kbm is B
thats the furthest from wasd
for Boon button LOL
rotund pumice
boon ?
undone moat
yea just to check some current boon info during run
it uses Q (special) F (call) 1 (summon) C (codex)
not too bad, and can rebind all you want
unlike controller
or if you have gaming mouse i think u can use those MBs
runic parrot
you cant rebind on gamepad?
runic parrot
ah i see
i personaly have cast on shift and special moved to RMB
more fluid for me
undone moat
i actually need help where do yall put reload on controller LOL
yea special on RMB sounds much better
rapid forum
I use default on reload and just hope i get delta chamber
:>>>>>>>>
yes there's a gun in this game
but there's auto aim
so
rotund pumice
oh
undone moat
or use kbm and self aim kekw
hey delta is bad for getting used to reloading haha
i reload on sword and spear now smh
played too much eris
green carbon
this game is heat flames
gaunt tapir
get it
cerulean arch
honestly
I'm a psychopath apparently
I run kbm with default binds and no aim assist
didn't even know this game had controller support LMAO
humble lotus
Question if you have something like ||aspect of beowulf|| where you dont have cast does boiling blood/the other blood one, do anything?
vapid narwhal
They work regardless because the default cast can stick to apply the effect
If anything certain casts can remove the effect because they won't be stuck in enemies
undone moat
didn't even know this game had controller support LMAO
everytime I start up the game and use mouse the game keeps telling me playing with controller is recommended 😂 😂 😂
deep pivot
brisk trail
I was joking.
wind oar
Goodnight lads and ladettes
deep pivot
I literally stopped watching this cutscene that's tearing my heart apart to come when I saw you 
Goodnight Tangent!
flat vapor
heeeeee's back
brisk trail
For now.
This in Discord's browser thing, I'm only gonna redownload the client once I'm ready to start my 32 Heat speedrunning career.
deep pivot
Another lost soul 
brisk trail
For now, Peach.
night leaf
How hard is 32 heat gonna be?
I completed 16 heat for the first time yesterday
Lost one DD with malphon, it was pretty easy
Relatively
(also because I got nice boons in that run)
hollow hawk
the jump from 16 to 32 is hard
theres a lot less choices that you can make with pacts
snow rivet
i have a question
hollow hawk
ask away
snow rivet
if i get boons on my cast,
do they take affect when i load my cast into hera bow?
eg if i get athena cast will my arrow deflect
when i load it?
hollow hawk
you will fire the arrow, and then the athena cast will fire as normal
it doesnt apply deflect to your arrow, no
snow rivet
but cast doesn't fire when you use it on her bow
hollow hawk
it will just fire the cast when your arrow hits
hollow hawk
but cast doesn't fire when you use it on her bow
it does
it automatically fires after you hit an enemy with the arrow
hollow hawk
yes, it fires at the end of your arrow
prisma wind
Welcome back however briefly, Schpoonman
brisk trail
I will make a more lengthy return, eventually, promise.
narrow hemlock
brisk trail
...Okay, look, pre-1.0 I thought Ares might have been a post-boss, maybe you're looking for a different Olympian.
@night leaf Hey, shut up.
Kidding, love you.
granite ether
Schpoon! 
brisk trail
Aggy. 
pallid canyon
dang tanatos stealing all my kills
gaunt tapir
be faster
granite ether
Thanatos didn't see your name on em 
hollow hawk
if hes stealing your kills, you steal his
deep pivot
Same mate, nohomo
I will pretend I read that as "all the homo"
hollow hawk
simple stuff
wise sparrow
he is actually happy to fight alongside zag he just has trouble expressing affection
so it comes out like that
pallid canyon
it was those big chariot guys, couldn't get enough dps
anyway finally killed the minotaur but died to the prick
brisk trail
I will pretend I read that as "all the homo"
Hey, I'm straight, don't erase me. /s
night leaf
I will pretend I read that as "all the homo"
icy sorrel
First time using "super soaker" build
omg I love it xD
I got super lucky with an early hammer too!
First time using ||Lucifer aspect|| too, this aspect seems rather versatile
loud lintel
Get sea storm
karmic hare
I don't like that aspect you blured it just takes to long to start shooting
And I get hit by the time I am racking up damage
Actually the Daedalus helps a bunch
hollow hawk
I don't like that aspect you blured it just takes to long to start shooting
flash fire is a hammer you can get for it
zeus attack lucifer is really good
if you wanna try out good lucy builds, go for that
id also recommend specialling as much as possible on lucifer, and getting the triple bomb hammer if you can
karmic hare
Zeus is good with all aspects of rail
hollow hawk
well, except hestia
manic moat
you do not want zeus attack on hestia dude take artemis or aphrodite or something
also triple bomb is great with lucifer
vapid narwhal
like if you shoot hestia normally you are not using it at all
then you'd be much better just using zag for the increased uptime due to bigger mag
vapid narwhal
hestia's buffed shot is the 2nd highest single burst damage in the entire game
and it's a ranged attack so it's absurdly powerful
like you can crit for 600+ in tartarus
karmic hare
Did not know that but yeah makes sense
vapid narwhal
to put into perspective the furies only have 4600-5200HP
gaunt tapir
I already dislike the railgun
night leaf
Unless you get a bit lucky with the boons
gaunt tapir
so let's see how I do
night leaf
Oh
hushed pumice
Oh yeah that's pretty...cool.
wise sparrow
i see what u did there
mossy lily
limpid root
as i was trying to pick up the item i picked it up and it immedaintly started to fish right after and i was above lava and i lost a life
i am sad
it was my last extra life
pls make it so ur invulnerable when u fish ontop of lava :(
or it moves u automatically
pleas do i am cryink
runic parrot
i thought it already did that
to my experience it does i think
i play with HS on at all times so i know the pain
flat halo
so guys
how do you best melee
The damn cart
The minigun wielding cart
well, regular cart too I guess
manic moat
just run away and wait for the small ones to hit themselves into walls
for the big ones, attack them when they're not attacking you
run away when they're attacking you
runic parrot
FO2 chariots 😳
even without HL they hit like a truck
get a cast that's good for long range
i usually deal with them that way
or use tidal dash and abuse iframes lul
silk river
Oh thank god this was #10! My build was not equipped to deal with this lol
craggy barn
how cool would it be if instead of being unable to get certain hammers, each different aspect for a weapon could instead have a unique interaction with those hammers
flat halo
Then what about a certain golden chariot
hollow hawk
delta chamber hestia
runic parrot
what. i just got killed by a trap in alecto's bossroom after she died.
craggy barn
like explosive launcher turns GY special into an actual firework that makes a briefly lasting aoe explosion on hit
runic parrot
i guess it doesnt immediately deactivate if you were already standing on it.
sullen holly
Its funny how theseus starts to get stroppy when u keep killing him lol
hybrid snow
Quick question, at the results screen, does the little god mode icon show up if you activate it at all during the run, or only during the final fight?
craggy barn
the former
hybrid snow
Got it, thanks a lot
brisk trail
I think my Hades game froze on switch
high island
brisk trail
Like i can go to the home screen but i can't unpause
Will my runs seed be the same if i use the same weapon and keepsake as when i first started it?
silk river
The only way to keep a run seed the same (afaik) is to give up a run and start it again.
brisk trail
Good to know
silk river
The seed changes each time a run ends in success or failure
brisk trail
I can tell its a diff run now other than the very first chamber
Cause i had to force close
half zephyr
\0/ first time I completed a run w/o using a DD
Scraped by with 3 hp on final fight lol
silk river
lol nice.
I got so many duo's right now..
well 2 duo's and a legendary, still not bad.
craggy barn
if you ever feel pointless just remember that you can use poms on divine dash
brazen lagoon
Fighting dad with level 5 heroic divine dash
thorny berry
i've been playing
and i was wondering how many encounters you hade before reaching out??
i'm on 57 try and still cant go past fourth floor
and lately alecto is killing me with ease, and couple of days ago i could beat her with no fuss
craggy barn
if it helps you can lure her into spike traps
dusky wedge
How do I get that rare fish for Poseidon? Just fish and fish or there’s something special I need to do?
old tundra
just gotta be good at fishing, catching any of the rares count
dusky wedge
Ok, just to get this clear, there’s no other special tricks in fishing other than tapping it when the bob goes underwater, right?
Just need to know I’m not missing anything
old tundra
yes, but max time of fake bobs are 3, so if you're lucky after the 3rd fake bob, you can instantly react for the 4th actual one, making it easier to get rares
instead of guessing if the current bob is fake or not
dusky wedge
Wait, it gets rarer the faster I can tap it?
silk river
The bobs come at a regular interval, the fish never bites at the bob, it's always half way between the last bob and the next. or just after the third. learn the timing and youll never be faked out again and get easy perfect catches.
old tundra
The sooner the Interact button is pressed, the higher rarity the fish will be. The time window of fishing is:
Less than 0.34 second: Perfect catch.
0.34 second to 0.68 second: Good catch. 1/21 chance to catch a Rare fish.
After 0.68 second: fail with a "Too Late" message.
id suggest reading the wiki's fishing page
icy sentinel
light siren
Any word on new DLC or content updates?
I want to keep playing but I'm fully in post-game territory. The only thing remaining is 32 Heat but I don't really find it fun to play at that difficulty level. I like feeling powerful and successfully creating ridiculously good builds.
craggy barn
you can still feel powerful on 32 heat
runic parrot
32 heat is still pretty manageable to create builds with
its post 40 that you start getting trouble even getting synergies
craggy barn
approval process 😔
brisk trail
My game froze on me when i got one of my best rare crops ever
Earlier
@light siren someone in Supergiant games said even tho they usually build games as a full package they designed Hades so they can add on more if the players want them too so i have high hopes
hollow hawk
any source to that? havent seen anyone mention such a thing when talking about potential dlc
hushed pumice
<@500314403929980938> someone in Supergiant games said even tho they usually bui...
Interesting, source?
brazen lagoon
Source: bro trust me
weary gulch
Source: Source engine
brisk trail
I got it one sec
About 40 secs to 1 min in
Its only a 6 min vid too so easy watch
And not saying Hades disappointed me at all, but I definitely wouldn't mind an area after the Hades fight u can keep using all your boons
slim ravine
let me test daedalus boons on skelly :(
brisk trail
And if the game doesn't feel like it was designed to easily add new content to you ur gamer sense isnt working right lol
hollow hawk
And not saying Hades disappointed me at all, but I definitely wouldn't mind an a...
you already can use all your boons after hades fight
all the ones you have, that is
hollow hawk
there is also a very easy mod to install, named codex emu that allows you to test everything (boons, hammers etc) on skelly
brisk trail
I backed it on pc but that sounds boring
I guess what im really saying is another/more areas would be awesome, can never have enough variation in games like this
Like new area, new enemy types, new boons, new bosses
But im not even close to being done with the current content so its not like the game needs dlc at all
hollow hawk
that dlc response you sent above is like 2 years old, while their newer response to dlc questions has been "we'll think about it" basically
brisk trail
It would be more like nice if it happens but wouldn't matter if it never did
Ah damn
hollow hawk
ooh like an arcade mode? that'd be fun
hushed pumice
Or a survival room, like the existing one
Except the enemies get harder every 4th wave and you get small breaks to heal a little and get a boon
brazen lagoon
Survival mode would be interesting
Endless Chambers and see how far you could go before you die
brisk trail
Yee when i first backed it i assumed there would be an endless mostly cause of "Furthest chamber reached: x"
So i assumed you could go as far as you could survive once the game was finished
silk river
Have you ever had a run where at the end you just say "huh, surprised I got that far"
slim ravine
every single chaos run i feel that
chaos shield feels so weak to me but i never lose on it
brisk trail
Shield is like that lol
brisk trail
No matter how bad my boons are with shield i rarely lose
flat halo
Maybe it’s the shield
silk river
I got all the way to styx with the fists, and didn't use an attack boon the whole way. Also no shattered shackle
brisk trail
It is its cause u can block pretty everything with it long as your facing is correct
silk river
just a lot of dashing about
eager kindle
Gem rooms give too little gems
undone moat
agree
light siren
@craggy barn @runic parrot you guys might be better than me 😩
craggy barn
a good start is to get used to extreme measures 3 and tight deadline 3
td3 is a bit hard but still manageable enough
light siren
@craggy barn is tight deadline 3 the 20 minute one? I've only been able to do sub-20 once and that was with no other pact punishments
I probably need to watch some pro players
I'm probably doing something wrong
or, sub-optimal
craggy barn
it's important to know that the timer pauses on several occasions
craggy barn
light siren
thanks, I'll give that a watch
I have a specific question; last night I was on the barge of death, with Middle Management and Forced Overtime 1
It seemed impossible. I only had two dodges, and it seemed as though any time I dodged one bomb, another slamdancer would already be ready to throw a new undodgeable one at my new location.
craggy barn
go for the voidstones, eventually you'll come to know which enemies will spawn based on the size of their summoning circle and will know which one to go for immediately
voidstones can be a real issue if you don't deal with them quickly to begin with
hushed pumice
The big stone always spawns in a trap so preload it to explode when it spawns if you can
You can summon to damage it if you want immediately
And focus it down
humble lotus
What does sturdy actualy do?
novel wasp
it doesnt stagger you when you get damaged
opaque nexus
sturdy gives you % damage reduction and prevents you from staggering
opaque nexus
I think it's the same thing as unshakeable mettle
novel wasp
yuh
hollow hawk
unshakeable mettle only applies to bosses
opaque nexus
don'
hollow hawk
sturdy applies to everything
humble lotus
I wasnt sure if it was just cant be staggered or if it was full involnerability
opaque nexus
t think so
novel wasp
you can still get hurt
opaque nexus
I think only the damage reduction of mettle applies to bosses
novel wasp
dw you will 🙂
opaque nexus
but the no flinch applies everywhere
craggy barn
unshakable mettle's stagger immunity always applies, it's just the boss damage reduction
dusky wedge
How do you explain what a roguelite is in the most understandable manner?
Yesterday my friend asked me what Hades is lol
craggy barn
it's a type of game where you're not meant to beat it first try
the key to beating it isn't good equipment and getting a bunch of hp potions, it's a long gameplay loop of die>get further than you did last time>die>repeat
hollow hawk
its a type of game where each time you die, you have to start from the scratch. There are no checkpoints where you can resume from. However, you also get some permanent power-ups that you can keep forever.
humble lotus
Okay should i face zeus or artemis?
craggy barn
for roguelikes the only way to beat it is to gain an understanding of the mechanics and getting better at making your way through with the closest thing to permanent upgrades being things that you unlock that'll only appear later in a run, while roguelites are like that but you can gain permanent upgrades
mainly through things such as meta currencies which persist after you die
dusky wedge
Man, my friends, they don’t even know what a rogue game is lmao. They don’t follow indie games much, only the CoDs and Cyberpunks
hollow hawk
Okay should i face zeus or artemis?
i would personally say zeus trials are easier
dusky wedge
Okay should i face zeus or artemis?
Zeus easier for me, Artemis is fast
hollow hawk
Man, my friends, they don’t even know what a rogue game is lmao. They don’t foll...
yeah, my description should be good for that wouldnt it?
dusky wedge
Yeah, it is
dusky wedge
Isn’t Soul Knight mobile only?
craggy barn
yes
dusky wedge
Speaking of mobile, I wish this game was on mobile, but I know what the devs have said about this 🥲
craggy barn
it's on switch but that version isn't even being updated as far as i've heard
hollow hawk
i think the game would be unplayable with mobile controls tbh
craggy barn
and why bother with that game when gungeon exists
hollow hawk
it gets regular pc patches
just that it gets them like after a day or two the patch for pc releases
dusky wedge
and why bother with that game when gungeon exists
Wait, is this Hades or Soul Knight?
Lol
winter harbor
I haven’t been playing Gungeon for as long but I think it’s harder because you can only take 6 hits before you die
craggy barn
gungeon be like want more hitpoints? beat the boss without BEING HIT dumbass
dusky wedge
I haven’t tried Gungeon tbh, looks like touhou
novel wasp
Soul knight is trashier version of Gungeon
novel wasp
mobile game automatically gets bottom barrel
hollow hawk
free game doesnt necessarily mean it'll suck lol
craggy barn
the only thing it has is that there's actually barely any ads
novel wasp
for the amount of ads
yeah barely any ads i tried it before
every single room
has an ad
and guess what you cant play this game offline
to avoid the ads
leaden turtle
can you grind out unlimited titan blood/ambrosia/diamonds from the broker?
winter harbor
Yes
novel wasp
yes but whats the fun out of it
leaden turtle
great, was kinda worried about the order i go about unlocking aspects being more optimal a specific way, but if you can just grind out the blood i won't worry about it
leaden turtle
ye, i just started doing heat runs
novel wasp
and you really need to start worrying meta weapons
at like 30+
btw heat contracts only applied to the first 20 heats
leaden turtle
are they counted separately for the different weapons?
so i can do a 1 heat run for all the rewards on each weapon? so like 7 or w/e sets of rewards?
leaden turtle
ok that seems like plenty then even if it's the first 20 heats
i'm assuming that means the first 20 heats on each weapon right?
novel wasp
yup
leaden turtle
great
novel wasp
and funfact