h1-discussion

[meager steppe]

Also wasn’t good at fishing then. Didn’t know about the flash and the bobs.

[undone burrow]

How many attempts did you guys take to defeat ||Hades|| for the first time?

Cause I feel like I was behind :')

[severe smelt]

An embarassing amount

[somber star]

It took me somewhere between 5 and 7

[undone burrow]

Woah

Ok now I feel like 24 is way too high

W e l p

[severe smelt]

I think mine was closer to 50. 😄

[somber star]

nah it's fine

I just got a busted build

[tepid plover]

Everyone goes at their own pace, you aren't behind

Take your time

[somber star]

You'll get better at the game

[tepid plover]

Theres no exact time, one should beat the game

[somber star]

Yeah

[fleet narwhal]

beat the game like my 28th try? though i relied on a good build

[meager steppe]

I was around 40 I think.

The heroes wrecked me (sometimes still do)

[somber star]

What parts of heroes are you struggling with

[meager steppe]

Now I’m around 90 and have 13 successful escapes.

[fleet narwhal]

the ones that damage you

[meager steppe]

The heroes part.

[somber star]

Well l mean

How do you handle the fight

You don't fight them both at once do you

[meager steppe]

Only when I have a broken build with loads of AoE damage.

[somber star]

Ok good

[tepid plover]

We talked about about recently, I thought I did 27

[somber star]

Idk, I just lead the bull around the edge of the arena and wait for him to charge

[undone burrow]

Idk about you guys but I always fight the bull first before fighting the spear guy

[somber star]

Same

[severe smelt]

I absolutely fight them both at once.

They di faster that day

😄

[somber star]

That's just making it harder on yourself

[undone burrow]

I don't remember their names I'm sorry ahdhfj

[severe smelt]

Not... really?

[meager steppe]

Sometimes the first.

[tepid plover]

There are 2 mini bosses in elysium, the bulll is one of them

[severe smelt]

Heroes don't really give me trouble much anymore.

||EM3 ||might be another story.

[meager steppe]

The reality is that I’m gonna be dashing like crazy either way.

[tepid plover]

Em3 is easier imo

[somber star]

haven't tried em3

I'm still on heat 1

[meager steppe]

Once you learn the fight I’m sure it’s easier.

[undone burrow]

I meant when you have to fight both of them at the arena

I defeat the bull first

[tepid plover]

Yes

[meager steppe]

First time I put em1 on I got very messed up.

[somber star]

Yes

I just em1 because I figure I need to learn how to fight the harder boss fights for higher heats anyway

[meager steppe]

Haven’t tried any higher than that.

[severe smelt]

I generally prioritize Theseus but the bull dies shortly after

[meager steppe]

I agree in the getting used to it. I want to get my minimum heat levels up though.

[somber star]

Yeah

That's why I use em1

[meager steppe]

The bow is my highest heat clear so far and that’s only on four.

I had the two blue hearts and the 9 minute timer.

[swift mist]

dude my run literally just died at the end, that was so annoying

[somber star]

Why are you using the blue heart heat

That one is very hard

iirc

[median schooner]

Yeah damage control is so diffixult

[swift mist]

i got 20 mins because i got the satyr bag on the literal last one and then 3 aphrodite great calls went to enemies other than the boss

[median schooner]

Dont use it

[meager steppe]

Getting used to it.

[somber star]

I mean if you want to use it, use it

[copper canopy]

I always prioritize bull

[fleet narwhal]

||damage control is better than calisthenics|| ||as it doesnt buff bosses so much||

[severe smelt]

Why tho

[tepid plover]

You should

[severe smelt]

Bull requires a lot less... attention.

[copper canopy]

Ikr?

[tepid plover]

Enraged theseus is easier than enraged asterius

[median schooner]

Isnt damage control like the easiest 2 heat anyway

[severe smelt]

Theseus controls the pace, bull doesn't

[undone burrow]

Yes me too

[meager steppe]

I feel like it changes almost nothing.

[severe smelt]

Asterious is a non-thing outside of EM3

[copper canopy]

Theseus is easier to ignore for one thing.

[fleet narwhal]

if youre doing ||2 heat i dont recommend both damage controls||

[meager steppe]

I was on 3.

[severe smelt]

but generally the bull will take slightly more damage in theory because theseus shields

so depending on what you're doing they should die near each other anyway

I think I killed bull a few times on accident

[median schooner]

I was not aware that Damage Control had a 3rd heat

[meager steppe]

I find if you are aiming for the blonde the. The bull gets hit anyway.

[severe smelt]

Yeah

they often like being together

biggest issue is immunity phases

not always in sync

[copper canopy]

Is that the one where they’re immune for a hit or two?

[median schooner]

Yeah.

[copper canopy]

Whaaaat?

There’s no third heat

[meager steppe]

No no. I was looking for more than two. I had the two hearts and the timer. Might actually been much harder than it needed to be, but I still finished even with a bad build.

The cap is two blue hearts. There are other options.

[copper canopy]

DC is one of my go tos for high heat and there’s no third

[meager steppe]

I feel like it is a good beginning because it just means longer fights.

[somber star]

If I haven't beaten ||Hades|| with any weapons besides bow, should I be doing 0 heat runs for titan blood

[meager steppe]

And 9 minutes is forever.

[copper canopy]

Yes, and to get used to the other weapons.

[somber star]

Aight

[severe smelt]

Fighting them right now: https://imgur.com/a/9YRDxeu

Basically aiming at both of them, bull ends up slightly above

[meager steppe]

@somber star I’d suggest doing a few fury fights for the extra spending power, then go back and finish H0

[severe smelt]

I'm not sure why that is, given theseus blocks, maybe bull has more hp lol

[somber star]

I've done a few yeah

[copper canopy]

He definitely does

I can confirm this

Like a lot more HP

[meager steppe]

I’d agree with that.

[copper canopy]

Also I try not to aim for both of them because if Theseus gets to his phase 2 while Asterius is still alive dodging becomes much much harder.

[severe smelt]

If you do not aim for both of them they collectively die slower overall.

Unless I'm missing something.

[meager steppe]

You know what’s loads of fun. Greater call with Zeus aid, jolted, and double strike while face tanking a gigantic laser.

Quite the game of chicken.

[somber star]

If I get the opportunity should I always take heroic boons

[swift mist]

is there a way to easily spam nectar to 1 person instead of doing it like, in between runs

[meager steppe]

Always is a big word

[swift mist]

like can you keep leaving and rejoining or something

[somber star]

Because idk if special chill or special doom is better, but the doom would be heroic

[meager steppe]

Which aspect?

[somber star]

zag aspect, spear

[meager steppe]

That one is close for me. I’d go with personally preference. What’s your attack? Can you get PS?

[somber star]

My other options are blade dash and battle rage

Blade Dash is also good

I have no attack boon atm

[meager steppe]

Doom is awesome in the first two biomes. Then needs some help to properly ramp up.

[severe smelt]

The ||Hypnos|| story is finally developing for me lol. Only like 200 attempts later

[meager steppe]

But I also like to put those stacking curses on with something that has a high rate of fire.

[turbid talon]

The main thing is not to Rush)

[somber star]

I think I might just stick with demeter

[severe smelt]

stares in speedruns

[meager steppe]

I think chill leaves some more fun duos available.

[somber star]

Yeah

[turbid talon]

Are you serious speedrunners?)))

[somber star]

Yes people do run the game

[unborn remnant]

yes

[somber star]

Over 100 entries on speedrun.com

[turbid talon]

Ahaha, good)

[dark path]

The ares/poseidon duo is v fun

[meager steppe]

Don’t know if I’ve seen that one yet. I’ll be on the lookout.

Doesn’t that set up a pulse?

[somber star]

Neither have I

[meager steppe]

Does the pulse have knockback?

[turbid talon]

I walked through with home gloves, spent 18 minutes)

[meager steppe]

I could see that being kinda nasty with talos

[dark path]

I got it when I was using talos fists, so I can't remember (magnetic pulled them back if they were getting knocked back)

[meager steppe]

Also might be kinda funny to run it with ares aid as well.

Fire three pulses, pull everyone in, then turn into a buzz saw

Would that cancel the pulses?

[turbid talon]

Hades will cry from such a saw

[carmine hollow]

Hey all! 👋 haven't quite got into Hades yet but, if it's similar in style to other games the company has made, then hyped for it 🥳

[meager steppe]

Don’t think I’ve played another.

But this one is awesome.

[carmine hollow]

Good news! 🤓

[turbid talon]

Hi)

[carmine hollow]

Hey! 😋

[hearty bramble]

hope u enjoy it!! 😊

[carmine hollow]

Thanks @hearty bramble definitely 🎮

Enjoy your day everyone!

[severe smelt]

you too 🙂

[turbid talon]

Time a later I'll go to sleep, good night!

[tepid plover]

It's got a an amazing story just like pyre

[somber star]

Glhf

[tepid plover]

Gameplag wise I don't know, never really liked transistor, so I cant really compare

[somber star]

Hades is my first sgg game

[tepid plover]

Same here

I decided yo try pyre after it, it's got an amazing story, but the rites bore me, still love doing the story

[turbid talon]

Great game, isn't it

[somber star]

Really is

[tepid plover]

Same for transistor, I really like the story, but the gameplay itself made me refund the game

Hades is the only one that I could stick with for long

[somber star]

They really did something with Hades though

[tepid plover]

Yep

[somber star]

Hope they decide to do dlc this time around with the support and praise it's gathered

[turbid talon]

++

I want dlc

[somber star]

Why does the next heart for sisyphus and dusa have a lock on it?

[meager steppe]

Cause you aren’t bonded

[sour sky]

You have to give them your credit card info

[somber star]

I'll just keep talking to them ig

[eager flame]

OoPs

I MISSED A FISH IN THE ||SURFACE|| 😭

[sour sky]

I always forget to do fishing spots

[manic bobcat]

Better than missing in in Chaos gate.

Also hi chipper xD

[sour sky]

Oh hey

[tepid plover]

You have to do their favor

Is like a little quest of some sort

[sour sky]

Yeah you gotta give them your social security number

[twin moat]

well damn

[sour sky]

Wait a minute

[somber star]

I have to give both my ccn and my ssn to them

Depression

[sour sky]

You want that special ||companion|| don’t you?

[twin moat]

anything for dusa tho

[somber star]

Idk what a ||companion|| is

[sour sky]

Special unlock

[somber star]

Sisyphus and dusa are besties though

Ah ok

[sour sky]

Pretty much what you use ambrosia for

[twin moat]

wait

I just realized

you're the same person

[sour sky]

Yes I am the guy from the dead cells server

[twin moat]

yeah lmao

[unborn remnant]

wait

@eager flame did you finish a run?

[sterile flicker]

[unborn remnant]

is dead cells any good btw

[plucky phoenix]

[sour sky]

I have several hundred hours on it so you tell me

Just keep in mind it’s not like hades at all

[sterile flicker]

what is this hades monthly challenge

👀

[sour sky]

Far less focus on story

[unborn remnant]

a monthly challenge

[sour sky]

Also gets updated every couple months

[sterile flicker]

what does this challenge entail

[unborn remnant]

check #h1-builds-and-combat

[twin moat]

it is

[sterile flicker]

oh thats amazing

[twin moat]

less story, but yeah

[sour sky]

Way less story

[twin moat]

it's more action oriented

[sour sky]

It’s more like dark souls but not nearly as thought out

[twin moat]

yeah

imagine bloodborne and darksouls combined but 2d and it's a platforming roguelike

that's deadcells

[severe smelt]

Sounds kind of off-putting tbh. 😅

[sour sky]

It’s kinda hard to get into

[somber star]

I got bored after 50 hours

[eager flame]

yeah! chaos shield run

I've done it before so it wasn't that impressive haha

i shared a screenshot in #h1-victory-boasting

[sour sky]

Of dead cells?

[somber star]

Yeah

[sour sky]

Can’t relate

[twin moat]

according to steam I only played it 36 hours

but

I'm pretty sure I played it moree

I'm on 4bc already, can't be

[sour sky]

Difficulty increases are a huge time sink

36 hours definitely ain’t enough for 4bc

[unborn remnant]

lets goooo

finally

[sour sky]

Unless you used custom mode or something

[unborn remnant]

a win is a win

[eager flame]

HAHAHA yeah!

[somber star]

Probably played on offline mode

[eager flame]

i'm very happy except for the missed fish

[unborn remnant]

the streak has been broken

good job

[twin moat]

I only used it to get rid of uhh

less useful items

[eager flame]

thank you :)

[swift mist]

is there a way to easily spam nectar to 1 person instead of doing it like, in between runs

[sour sky]

Not that I know of

[eager flame]

i didn't get any ares's boons to have the chaos shield/ares special build but i got a nice athena/dionysus/artemis kinda thing going on

it worked so well with privileged status

[upper mesa]

No, all gifts are limited to one per house visit/run

[swift mist]

rip

[sour sky]

Which ones?

Oh wait

[upper mesa]

Both nectar and ambrosia

[sour sky]

I read that wrong

I thought it said not all instead of no, all

[upper mesa]

Ah, ok

[plucky phoenix]

||so you can only give ambrosia to than, dusa and meg?||

[unborn remnant]

Is Eris with Zeus attack the best build in the game?

it might be

[twin moat]

depends on who you are asking to

[upper mesa]

Just keep playing to find out more about gifts, honestly

Best build is very contentious and personal, honestly

[unborn remnant]

yeah that's true

Its completely subjective

I think its eris based on the speed and damage

[twin moat]

tho

tbh

[unborn remnant]

hera with aphrodite cast is also very good

[upper mesa]

A decent question might be asking someone like Tailesque what build got them the highest heat they’ve cleared, though

[twin moat]

I personally believe best build is ||arthur|| with zeus on attack

[sour sky]

What

[upper mesa]

Does Zeus attack do something for low rate of attack weapons that I’m missing here

[outer dew]

I believe so

[sour sky]

Isn’t that the most inefficient way to use the zeuse attack boon?

[twin moat]

I know

[sour sky]

No

[twin moat]

I'm just joking

[sour sky]

I don’t really get why the Zeus boon doesn’t apply a damage buff like most others do

I mean I get it’s broken with the right build but still

[grand shale]

enshrouded affluence + side hustle = absurdly good

[upper mesa]

So that it’s a different than the others instead of just being a smaller damage multiplier

[twin moat]

I guess the damage boost is the boon itself

[grand shale]

i got 1000 obol with it before even getting out of asphodel

[twin moat]

kind of like

ares

[unborn remnant]

That's true

[sour sky]

Well even dio gives you a damage buff

[upper mesa]

Also, the best weapon in the game, going by high heat clears, is the fourth aspect of the bow which Tailesque managed to use to clear 60 heat

[outer dew]

Its pretty hard to use but a really good weapon

[unborn remnant]

I guess it depends on "do you like speed" or "do you like ||heat||"

Eris is probably the best for speed

[sour sky]

So is the biggest problem with high heat the timer?

[somber star]

What keepsake do you guys use for styx/||Hades||

[outer dew]

NOOOO

Definitely not

[unborn remnant]

Acorn

[upper mesa]

Once you hit 50+ heat EVERYTHING is a problem

[outer dew]

lmao

[severe smelt]

hidden bow is super fun

and high skill celing

[sour sky]

5 minutes just seems like so little though

[outer dew]

Its only 20 minutes tho

[somber star]

Anyone else have a good trinket for styx

[upper mesa]

You take double damage, can’t ever heal except by dying with stubborn defiance, have five minutes at most, ever armored enemy has two buffs...

[outer dew]

Acorn

[upper mesa]

And that’s just the tip of it

[unborn remnant]

Have you done it?

[somber star]

Ok acorn got it

I have acorn, it just doesn't seem great

[outer dew]

lvl it up

[severe smelt]

acorn or the call if you don't have call

[upper mesa]

Have I done 50 heat? No way, I’ve yet to even clear 32

[unborn remnant]

same

[sour sky]

That’s something that’s kinda disappointing to me

There’s no finishing point in terms of difficulty

[unborn remnant]

32 heat sounds hard but not impossible

just challenging

[sour sky]

It just reaches a point where you can’t progress

[upper mesa]

Fourth bow has a really high skill floor and an incredibly high skill ceiling

[tepid plover]

The fallen warrior one

[upper mesa]

Tooth and collar are also not bad

[unborn remnant]

i dont really vibe with that one personally

[outer dew]

Idk time has never been a problem for me in playing since I complete my runs mostly under 20 minutes

[unborn remnant]

The aspect for bow

[tepid plover]

Is amazing for em4

Oh

[severe smelt]

Isn't there basically max heat?

[outer dew]

Honestly acorn protects against like around 150 health avg

[upper mesa]

Yeah, the max is a bit above 60 I believe

[sour sky]

Has anyone done that?

[unborn remnant]

62 I think?

I'm sure someone has

[upper mesa]

The highest proven run is Tailesque at 60

[outer dew]

An approximate hit from ||Hades|| is 35 dmg. (35x5) = 175 health

[upper mesa]

I think there were rumors of a Zeus shield doing 61?

[sour sky]

Just don’t get hit smh

[tepid plover]

Thats if you only get hit by hades

[severe smelt]

acorn also means you do not get stunned

[upper mesa]

But I don’t see anything about that, really

[somber star]

Not really, people have beaten very high amounts of heat. I prefer to think of it as a really high skill ceiling

[severe smelt]

which means you just damage

[unborn remnant]

Fighting game players

[upper mesa]

Max is 64

[unborn remnant]

You already know the modding community is gonna make a Kaizo mod

For the base game

[outer dew]

Skelly give you 100 health, collar gives you 50. Acorn GIVES YOU appx 175

[sour sky]

Is there like a defined stopping point for the average person before that?

[somber star]

Kaizo mod for Hades is easy

Copy paste lava into every room leaving tiny bits of ground

[unborn remnant]

Probably 32

[outer dew]

Also tailesque is a madman

[upper mesa]

Skelly gives you 100 health plus whatever you’re overkilled by, collar gives you 50 health + 25 per DD

[somber star]

I would say simply beating ||hades||/beating him 10 times

If were talking about an "average" player

[twin moat]

I remember my first fight with ||hades||

1 hit

75 hp gone

[outer dew]

oof

[severe smelt]

I'd say getting the ||final story||

[sour sky]

Well I mean for heat. Most people can do that

[twin moat]

[sour sky]

My first ||hades|| fight was a mess

[upper mesa]

Tailesque is absolutely insane, and somehow is less intimidated by hades high heat runs than StS heart kills which I still don’t get

[severe smelt]

I mean you say most people my friend beat the boss once and stopped playing lol

[somber star]

Ah, I would probably say at any of the statue milestones then.

[sour sky]

I’ve yet to do the 8 heat one since I was grinding blood

[outer dew]

My first boss fight I got him down to his ||first stage|| and then died. Using chiron bow

[unborn remnant]

StS?

[somber star]

My friend stopped playing after dying to meg on his first attempt

[upper mesa]

Slay the Spire

[twin moat]

fr?

[somber star]

Yeah

[twin moat]

bruhh

[upper mesa]

A similarly excellent and difficult roguelike, but in a totally different genre of play (it’s a card game)

[unborn remnant]

oh

[outer dew]

Lmao I died to her like 6 times

[unborn remnant]

okay question by the way

[twin moat]

roguelikes aren't for them

[severe smelt]

tbh meg slaps

...literally

[sour sky]

Honestly that first run sucks

[unborn remnant]

why does every run video start with the death?

[severe smelt]

Required to prove it's not a seeded run

[outer dew]

To prove its real and not seeded and stuff i think

[unborn remnant]

i noticed it in speedruns and now the high heat runs

[upper mesa]

To prove the run isn’t seeded

[unborn remnant]

oh

[sour sky]

They give you the sword and you’re not meant to actually get very far at all

[twin moat]

yes

[somber star]

Yeah

[severe smelt]

meanwhile in Vorime

[outer dew]

Mine was a mess

[twin moat]

1 dash only too

[unborn remnant]

When do you get seeding?

[twin moat]

and you can't find hermes

as far as I know

[unborn remnant]

After clearing 32?

[severe smelt]

no hermes

no calls

[outer dew]

Its a mod

[unborn remnant]

oh

[outer dew]

I think

[somber star]

And then people beat the game in 25 minutes on a fresh file

[outer dew]

Nvmd I think its to prove that the speedrunners dont know what theyre getting

[upper mesa]

Seeding is when you give up a run after the first room, since the initial rewards don’t change

[severe smelt]

so if you "give up" a game

you get the saem "seed"

the dying is to prove you didn't do that, and don't know what will happen

[upper mesa]

With more specific knowledge of the RNG, it’s possible to route an entire run, although a lot of different actions increment the seed so it’s quite a difficult process

[unborn remnant]

wonder what speedruns will look like in 3 years

[upper mesa]

There’s a routed run in one of the early access updates that’s under five minutes total

[severe smelt]

mostsly seems to be casts and summons, or so i've learned today

[unborn remnant]

rng manipulation?

[severe smelt]

The vast majority of popular categories seem to be unseeded, though

[outer dew]

Any time I attempt to get a good time I get screwed over by rng and I dont have the patience to keep doing the thing over and over again.

[upper mesa]

4:35 routed run from early access: https://youtu.be/Wg7SlvO4WSA

[unborn remnant]

wild

[upper mesa]

And stuff like that is why you always see videos start with a death

[unborn remnant]

I see

Thank you for providing this information

:)

[eager flame]

ahhh off topic but the fact that achilles was almost more of a dad/mentor than hades ever was to zagreus always gets to me

[unborn remnant]

Its a pretty good storyline

||BOULDY COMPANION POG||

[somber star]

Pog

[eager flame]

YEAHHH

[severe smelt]

Wanna do more runs but I should sleep.

[unborn remnant]

[somber star]

Bruh

I just the ||hades|| fight because my keyboard stopped working

[grand shale]

i didnt think gifs worked on here

[grand shale]

keyboard and mouse user? CRINGE ALERTTT

CONTROLLER GANG

[somber star]

Sorry?

[brisk trail]

imagine using a controller lmao

[eager flame]

imagine NOT using mouse and keyboard

[tepid plover]

lul this again

[eager flame]

HAHAHA I'm kidding

either way the game is the same

[tepid plover]

Yep

The only benefit for controller is you can walk ._.

Which is effectively useless

[brisk trail]

you get a completely different (and better) game if you use mouse + keyboard

[tepid plover]

Lol better for you

Not for everyone

[eager flame]

i would think it depends on what you're used to

[brisk trail]

no the game is entirely different

[tepid plover]

^

No lol

[brisk trail]

yes

[tepid plover]

How it it different

[brisk trail]

the story

[tepid plover]

Is literally the same game

[brisk trail]

no thats not true

[tepid plover]

Ok then explain

[brisk trail]

if you use a mouse and keyboard the story is 10,000 times better

[tepid plover]

How

How is it better

[brisk trail]

and it gives you $1,000,000 free

[eager flame]

i think its useless to spend mental effort in this argument

[tepid plover]

Ok he's just trolling now

Nvm moving on

[brisk trail]

i would never

playing with a mouse and keyboard turned my life around

[tepid plover]

Ok

[somber star]

For the different rugs in the lounge, if you buy all four do all four get added

[tepid plover]

No

[somber star]

Ok figured

[tepid plover]

You can only use one

[somber star]

Guess I need to prioritize gemstones over darkness and coin

[eager flame]

ah also! finally got all hearts with thanatos

[tepid plover]

If you're done with the rest yes

That was me at one point

Only wanted gems lmao

Done for now, until more content if it happens

[somber star]

No I need to prioritize gems

Not done with darkness though

I just need gems for more lounge upgrades

[tepid plover]

They aren't upgrades

Thats cosmetics

[sour sky]

How do I make stygius not suck

[somber star]

I know but

Dusa quest

[tepid plover]

Oh right

[tepid plover]

You're putting your blame on the weapon

How to not suck with stygius you mean

It makes you fast af

[summer geyser]

I've been using the fists more, they're pretty fun now that I've been playing w them

[tepid plover]

Use that to your advantage

Fists are my fav

[acoustic plank]

Don't get hit

[summer geyser]

I usually use spear or shield but I've been using different weapons as of late

Still can't use the bow 😩

[tepid plover]

I always use the weapon with the dark thirst

For more variety

[sour sky]

Why use puny sword when gun?

[warped iron]

why use gun when bow

[tepid plover]

Cause they do different things?

Lmao

No weapon is better than other

[warped iron]

well yes but actually no

[summer geyser]

Because spamming grenades brings me joy in life

[warped iron]

yes, that's a fair reason

[sour sky]

Ok but like stygius just has low damage

[tepid plover]

It doesnt?

[acoustic plank]

Lol

[tepid plover]

Lol

[sour sky]

Feels like it

[acoustic plank]

Ok now I know you're trolling

[summer geyser]

I should start doing that tbh

[tepid plover]

Yep

[sour sky]

No I’m not

[tepid plover]

You're building wrong

[sour sky]

I really don’t get how you’re supposed to use it

[somber star]

Well

[warped iron]

well you see here

https://youtu.be/dOwqntK4SD8

[brisk trail]

just use it well

[warped iron]

bad weapons wouldn't get that time

:)

[acoustic plank]

Backstab and use dash strikes

[sour sky]

So normal attack is useless?

[brisk trail]

sword is best weapon

aspect of nemisis

[warped iron]

aspect of nemesis is what's used in the above video

also, double edge hammer

[acoustic plank]

Almost any attack boon works on any sword, I really don't understand

[sour sky]

But gun

[brisk trail]

gun is my worst

[sour sky]

I’ve been messing with the 4th gun aspect

Kinda prefer the reload one

[brisk trail]

if i have to use gun i use eris

[unborn remnant]

The aphrodite demeter duo is hilarious

[tepid plover]

Is the only reason how I lasted so long in the game

The game lacks in variety whrn compared to other titles like dead cells or isaac

Good story thats true

But gameplay had a quick limit

I even ran approval process

Thats how I felt at least

Roguelite is my main genre

It is an amazing game, I really hoped it got game of the year

[sour sky]

Probably deserved it tbh

Although I wasn’t really wowed by Hades too much. Like don’t get me wrong it’s a great game but I’m not sure it quite reaches that level

[sacred stag]

Just when I thought the score couldn’t get better I got to in ||the blood|| (idk if that’s a spoiler or not)

[tepid plover]

I was definitely wowed by it

[sour sky]

Most I was wowed was the end credits music

[tepid plover]

The game is amazing all around

Could use a little more in some areas, but it still good

[sour sky]

Would’ve liked some alternate area routes

[sacred stag]

The score is too good, only other soundtrack I can think of that is as good or better is Doom Eternal

[rich acorn]

The credits theme legit had me head banging

[copper canopy]

It got some nominations and an award in something, but since the awards are mostly a sham, TLoU2 got a bunch of junk.

[tepid plover]

Correct

Or at least boss variety

[sacred stag]

And maybe P5R

[sour sky]

Most of the awards decisions are from stupid game journalist sites voting

[tepid plover]

Sadly

[sacred stag]

The critics are 90% of the votes so they decide who wins what, and critics loved tLoU2

[rich acorn]

Yes I believe it should’ve been goty

[narrow hemlock]

lets keep this discussion about hades and take awards convo to #video-games please

[sour sky]

The people’s choice one was actually ghosts of Tsushima which was way more deserving than TLoU2

[copper canopy]

Double checked, it won best indie game.

[sour sky]

Makes sense

[brisk trail]

it won best action didnt it?

[sacred stag]

Best action too

[rich acorn]

And best soundtrack

[copper canopy]

Beating my other favorite indie game of last year, Spelunky 2

[sacred stag]

No, FF7r got best score

[copper canopy]

Ost was FF7 remake IIRC

[sour sky]

I thought last of us 2 won best action

[rich acorn]

My mistake sorry

[sacred stag]

It won best action/adventure

[sour sky]

Maybe I’m mixing it up with the 7 other awards it won

[tepid plover]

Guys

#video-games

[sour sky]

Yeah yeah

[sacred stag]

We are literally talking about what awards hades won tho

[rich acorn]

But who doesn’t JAM in out of Tartarus boss

[copper canopy]

I’ve jammed out to “Scourge of the Furies” and “The Painful Way”, yes.

Third song is good but not as good.

[midnight bay]

The Elysium boss themes are also really good

[rich acorn]

And then OOOOH that bass in asphodel

[sacred stag]

I can’t think of a theme that I don’t like

Even Chaos’ theme is good

[copper canopy]

“From Olympus” is one of my personal favorites.

[midnight bay]

It is a supergiant game after all, their OSTs are always hits

[brisk trail]

My favourite's probably main theme or final boss theme

[tepid plover]

My fav is last words

[sacred stag]

Hell even Hym to Zagreus is pretty good and that song is a literal meme

[rich acorn]

The entire elysium boss fight is so epic

[midnight bay]

My favorite theme is still the one that plays on the boat in Asphodel tbh

[copper canopy]

What about ||”The Unseen Ones”||?

[sudden patrol]

Oh damn just got a sub 18 minute run

[tepid plover]

Ah yes good ol bloodless

[sacred stag]

Noice!

[rich acorn]

[midnight bay]

gg

[brisk trail]

gotta remind myself what that one is gimme a sec

[tepid plover]

Not everyone has heard that one sadly

Is em4

[sudden patrol]

Twin fists specials with a bunch of buffs are the way to go

[copper canopy]

Yes

[sacred stag]

Oh yeah that reminds me I need to get hazard bomb again and just see how fast I can win, it’s too OP

[tepid plover]

Such a good banger

[brisk trail]

oh yeah i havent done em4 yet

[copper canopy]

Part of what makes it so good is how you don’t expect it.

[brisk trail]

but yeah this slaps

[rich acorn]

||I really want to do em4 but I have to get the bounties first||

[copper canopy]

||Hades: “I.. will not.. die... again!”||

||(music kicks in)||

P e r f e c t i o n

[midnight bay]

I only did EM4 like once and didn’t have the audio on so I haven’t heard that one yet

[sacred stag]

Honestly if someone told me this game was a full price triple A game I wouldn’t have doubted them

[brisk trail]

I really like Death and I tbh

[rich acorn]

||Em 3 is hilarious too||

[copper canopy]

Still need to beat EM4, but when I came across that? Incredible

[midnight bay]

IKR? With Hades’s success I can’t wait to see what the next Supergiant project will be like

[brisk trail]

This was my first Supergiant game actually

[rich acorn]

Same here

[tepid plover]

I'm so sad, you finish the thanatos encounter before the song actually gets good, so people don't know how good it gets

[rich acorn]

What’s it called?

[midnight bay]

I played Bastion around 2013 or so and Supergiant have been one of my favorite devs since

[tepid plover]

Last words I think

[copper canopy]

It seems long enough, the problem is you don’t hear it over all the crud going on and you focused so much on beating Thanatos.

[craggy barn]

agreed last words is a goddamn bop

[tepid plover]

That too

[rich acorn]

I always get super aggressive in Thanatos chambers and end up losing a bunch of health lol

[midnight bay]

Yeah definitely an underrated track

[tepid plover]

Is such a good song

[copper canopy]

“From Olympus” is a favorite of mine I feel doesn’t get enough credit.

[tepid plover]

Also another hidden gem that not many know, is the payback mix of final expense

[midnight bay]

||there’s a unique line of dialogue during the Thanatos chamber if you have his keepsake, basically him telling you that if you let him win and just avoid getting hit that the keepsake will make you stronger, and I feel personally called out by that||

[tepid plover]

That song slaps as hard as an oar

Pun intended

[copper canopy]

Helped make Patroclus one of my favorite NPCs because of how it influenced the way his encounters felt

[copper canopy]

I love how it’s still technically the same song that always plays, just tuned up a bit.

[tepid plover]

Yeha is just a mix

A really good one

[rich acorn]

Which one is that again?

[copper canopy]

Patroclus Theme

[rich acorn]

Oh 😔

[karmic trellis]

ahahahahahahahhhahah imagine dying to a fury ahha

[copper canopy]

It made me want to do everything I could to help him.

[karmic trellis]

ahahhahahahahahhahah >:(

[copper canopy]

Sometimes I still do on off days and the heats high.

[tepid plover]

^

[copper canopy]

I don’t mind dying unless it’s to Theseus because I hate giving him the satisfaction of beating me.

:C

[rich acorn]

I recently watched some videos on old Greek myths and a lot of the characters have so much more depth

[tepid plover]

All my homies hate theseus

[rich acorn]

Like the story of Orpheus

[karmic trellis]

meg is cool, alecto and tisiphone can kiss my ass

[rich acorn]

“Don’t look back” in Orpheus’ lament

[tepid plover]

Yeah the lament fo orpheus doesn't fully explain how sad it is

[brisk trail]

i don't mind tisiphone

but alecto sucks

[copper canopy]

^

[tepid plover]

Yeah doot look back, cause is literally what happened to him

[karmic trellis]

her rage makes me rage

[tepid plover]

I hate her fidget spinners

[karmic trellis]

^

[rich acorn]

And makes sense why Eurydice didn’t want to see him

[tepid plover]

Well that was just for the game drama

She actually knew it was true love since he just wanted to make sure it was her

That made her love him even more

They just made it dramatic in game

[copper canopy]

One thing I love is Eurydice’s song, because when she sings it, it sounds beautiful, but when he sings it, it sounds sad,||(and heartwarming when they both sing it)|| despite being the same song.

[rich acorn]

Similar to Patroclus and how he died because Achilles refused to fight

[tepid plover]

Yeah

I'm also extremely sad how they go in depths about eurydice/orpheus, pat/achilles but not really sisyphus

[copper canopy]

His myth is probably the one I remember the best and imo she had every right to be ticked with him for a bit.

[tepid plover]

And hes got the best story

[tepid plover]

My mans literally went thru hell and back for her, no she didnt

[rich acorn]

“You had ONE JOB”

[copper canopy]

^

You didn’t just screw it up, you screwed it up in the worst way possible

[tepid plover]

We are talking about the underworld here, pardon my homie if he didn't trust the lord of the underworld

[meager steppe]

I like that Sisyphus totally acknowledged Prometheus and the terrible torment that he must endure.

[rich acorn]

Yes

[copper canopy]

Don’t get me wrong I’m glad she gets over it, I simply feel she’s justified in how she felt initially

[tepid plover]

Fun fact, did yall know sisyphus literally chained thanatos (mf death incarnate) then walked out of hell

[rich acorn]

I hope that I eventually see a scene where Thanatos is just PISSED at Sisyphus

[tepid plover]

Bouldy is literally sisy big ol balls after all he did

Guy walked out of hell like 3 times

Literally walked

[hearty bramble]

||yeah I got hit with that keepsake on and he got mad at me & said "careful, damn it" and I was like 🥺😢||

[copper canopy]

Sisyphus is the myth I know the least about~~, only that he’s the protagonist of Rock of Ages~~ only the punishment

[tepid plover]

Sisyphus cheated death like 3 times

[rich acorn]

He chained up than

[tepid plover]

Literally chained thanatos down, so no one could die

Literally chained thanatos down, so no one could die

Lmfaoooi

Ares was like yo than wtf man, why no one dying

And thanatos was chained

[rich acorn]

Told hades yeah I want 1 day I’ll be back

[tepid plover]

^^^

Lmfaooo

[rich acorn]

He didn’t come back btw

[copper canopy]

Huehuehue

[tepid plover]

A literal chad

Zeus had to step in and stop the lad

Cause no one could

[rich acorn]

Dude actually got screwed over by Zeus

[tepid plover]

^

Just the fact that he chained thanatos is hilarious

[rich acorn]

“Yeah I wanted to help someone who’s daughter was kidnapped now I have to roll a boulder up a hill every day”

[tepid plover]

Roll my own huge balls

You mean

After all I did

[copper canopy]

Rock of Ages mod that makes the boulder look like Bouldy when?

[rich acorn]

I also wish that they had a reference to tantalus somewhere

[copper canopy]

The latest game was great

[tepid plover]

I see now why they don't talk about sisyphus story in game, thanatos is such a big role, and they dont want him looking like a clown

[copper canopy]

||”I’m-a Poseidon, I’m-a gonna win!”||

[rich acorn]

Death had arrived but not when I’m offered a “necklace”

[copper canopy]

One of my favorite Thanatos encounters was

Zagreus: “Death Approaches?”
Thanatos: “Death Approaches”

DEATH APPROACHES

[rich acorn]

Yeah the lines in this can be hilarious

One time I used price of Midas - “Ow! Hey, money!”

[copper canopy]

||CERBERUS VANQUISHED (NOT REALLY)||

[rich acorn]

||CERBERUS DESTROYED||

||His meal in 3 bites||

[tepid plover]

My fav line is definitely when zagreus goes "GUH-DONG"

Lmfaao

Love when they break the 4th line like that

[copper canopy]

||Zagreus calling the Bone Hydra “Lernie”, complete with the HUD updating his name||

[copper canopy]

Oh gosh I haven’t gotten that it sounds amazing

[tepid plover]

I have a screenshot somewhere cause it was priceless

[copper canopy]

Reminds me of

[rich acorn]

||the post game escape text blurbs are hilarious too||

[copper canopy]

||Zagreus: “Father!”
Hades: “Son!”||

[copper canopy]

Those were the best part of winning

Finding out what dumb thing would happen next

[rich acorn]

||Uhh yeah zagreus just uhh... stepped on a pointy rock this time||

[tepid plover]

He stepped on a yellow fruit

😂 😂

[copper canopy]

He dived into a red pool

[rich acorn]

|| echo made an avalanche||

[copper canopy]

||Bears are not as friendly as they seem||

[rich acorn]

||That’s the fates influence binding him to the underworld right?||

||Similar to the natural causes at the cabin?||

[copper canopy]

||Zagreus thought “surely he’ll run out of ideas on how to kill me eventually”, but as is often the case, he was wrong||

[copper canopy]

||There’s one where he walks into a temple and a mysterious voice tells him to dive in. The favor-completing Prince says “sure”||

[tepid plover]

Isnt there one where he walks into a wall with a road painted on it 🤣

[copper canopy]

||Yes, and one where he pricks himself on a sharp plant||

[rich acorn]

||Dude can get impaled by a spear, fall in magma, and get poisoned, but dies to a banana||

[copper canopy]

Also one where he ||gets an allergic reaction to a flower he smelt||

||”It was all a dream!”||

[swift mist]

how do i get the secret stash stuff? i have gave them enough nectar until i cant anymore and now nothing is coming up

[copper canopy]

Remind me what that is again?

[swift mist]

the secret stash stuff in the place where you equip all the things

the keepsakes

[copper canopy]

So you mean the stuff under the keepsakes?

[swift mist]

yes..

[copper canopy]

Don’t worry about that, you don’t unlock those for a long time.

You’ve done everything right so far.

[swift mist]

||i have killed hades like 10 times now||

[copper canopy]

||Did the credits roll?||

[swift mist]

i don't remember

[copper canopy]

You would so probably not

[copper canopy]

Also spoiler tag this

[swift mist]

okayyyyy

[copper canopy]

Well you’ll get it when you get it, trust me.

[swift mist]

okay i guess?

just wanted to know

but i guess whatever

[copper canopy]

Ngl they’re not huge game changers anyways

[brazen lagoon]

You'll get there eventually

[copper canopy]

It’s hard to explain without spoiling

[copper canopy]

This exactly

[swift mist]

i literally do not care about spoilers since i asked

[copper canopy]

Oh? Want me to say?

[swift mist]

its like 1am all i want to know is how to get them and no sites are telling me and i have 2 people in a discord server being cryptic about it. its just a game

[copper canopy]

I have to double check that it’s okay with you

[swift mist]

forget it

[brazen lagoon]

||they're called companions. You get them from specific characters (meg, than, Achilles, sisyphus, dusa, skelly) after unlocking their hearts||

[copper canopy]

^^^^^

[brazen lagoon]

@swift mist

[swift mist]

i know......

i did that.

read my messages up a bit

[copper canopy]

No like ||literally unlock their hearts||

There’s a threshold you need to unlock

[brazen lagoon]

||you have to complete their favours||

I'm not going to go into detail because it's too long

Just go to the characters' wiki page

[mystic steeple]

Spoiler Alert, Hades is in Hades

[copper canopy]

YOU HOMESPUN JERK

[sour sky]

Spoiler alert guys but Zagreus dies

[mystic steeple]

Ik, I'm sorry y'all, I couldn't help releasing such a nuke of a spoiler

Wait WHAT?!

[copper canopy]

I’m reminded of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_ly2cBYXxY

[sour sky]

Oh no

[manic bobcat]

@swift mist Does your codex look like this?

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802615525141643265/805607475171557416/unknown.png||

If not, then you need to gift more stuff. If they don't accept more stuff then you will need to keep playing and try again. Not every time you see people they will accept things.

[swift mist]

okayy thanks

[silver totem]

FIRST CLEAR ON 18th ATTEMPT

[copper canopy]

That’s like 12 attempts faster than mine, good job

[swift mist]

lemme check when mine was

[copper canopy]

Now do it again ||and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.||

[brisk trail]

and again

[swift mist]

mine was 18th too POG

[brisk trail]

mine was 22

[swift mist]

was in 30 mins

[copper canopy]

||Mainly those first 10 times||

[brisk trail]

i guess

[copper canopy]

Double checked, mine was 21

I’m sensing a pattern here

[brazen lagoon]

mine was 39th

oof

[copper canopy]

That’s fine, it’s who you are now that counts~

[silver totem]

Thank you

he was tough but i just ran around with a bow

[tepid plover]

[craggy barn]

||rib|| is actually super useful lmao

i just used it on theseus to totally ignore his call

[copper canopy]

He is, I’ve done the exact same thing too

Although ||he takes damage from your attacks too||, so be careful of that.

[craggy barn]

||rib|| should definitely be my go-to for hestia + butterfly runs

[copper canopy]

That’s... actually a pretty great idea...

I like how everyone’s reaction to him is basically “who the heck is that?”

[hearty bramble]

oo that is a good idea... ive always just saved my ||summons|| for bosses 3 and 4

[copper canopy]

Not sure if the others work, but if you use ||Mort|| when Theseus starts phase 2, you kill him in one hit.

[hearty bramble]

oh for real?? i gotta try that...

i usually try to use it near the beginning and hit both of em if i can, or at least the bull bc i target him first

[acoustic plank]

Is that ||EM3 Thesues|| or normal, cause its the difference between half and one third.

[copper canopy]

Not sure actually, sorry

I’ll have to double check at some point

[runic parrot]

||i'm pretty sure EM3 theseus has 12000 hp, so his second phase starts at 4000 hp, and mort wont actually instakill him||

||except when it's buffed.||

[acoustic plank]

Checked with the wiki, ||that's correct. He starts with 9k for 4.5k in his second phase, EM3 he has 12k hp for just 4k in his second phase.||

||but I also use Meg at the beginning to hit them both||

[copper canopy]

Uuuuuugh, every time I try to shut out Thanatos, he manages to sneak in a kill or an enemy jumps into his kill zone at the very last second.

[acoustic plank]

I still haven't managed to clear him once so he gets zero kills

Fewest I've gotten is one

[copper canopy]

Same

[glad mauve]

hey guys, should i buy fishing rod? is it worth fishing in hades?

[runic parrot]

i have gotten him at 40-0 and it was glorious. i wish there was special dialogue for it

[runic parrot]

yes

[glad mauve]

what do you get for fishing?

[runic parrot]

fish. which can be traded for various treasures

like the gems, keys, darkness, etc

[glad mauve]

@runic parrot thanks 👍 🍻

[copper canopy]

Oh no, the poor feesh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1GkYStfmw8

[runic parrot]

i love when battie hits both theseus and asterius

that's 👌 mwah

[sterile flicker]

oh god never fight charon with guan yu aspect

worst mistake of my life

[glad mauve]

@runic parrot what should I do with ambrosia?

[brazen lagoon]

you'll find out later on

where are you in the story rn?

[glad mauve]

I already got ambrosia

I killed that tauren and the other guy and came to that other world (forgot the name)

where you have 5 entrances

when you see the cerebrus

[brazen lagoon]

ok well you shouldnt be too concerned about ambrosia then

[glad mauve]

ty

[rich acorn]

What is ambrosia even used for? I have like 40 of it just collecting dust.

[runic parrot]

||for late stages in forming bonds with characters||

[sterile flicker]

||yeah, although i always use at least a few when trading for titan’s blood||

[runic parrot]

||i dont think ambrosia to titan's blood is a very good trade to make when you dont have everyone's bond forged and at least your favorite companion keepsake||

[wispy monolith]

Trying to decide between a Hammer room and a ||Patroclus|| room.

[runic parrot]

how many DDs do you have

[wispy monolith]

3, plus Skelly's tooth

tho I lost one at Lerny

[runic parrot]

if you can handle it, i'd go for the hammer

but if you prefer to fully replenish your dd you can patty

[winter harbor]

how much hp do you have relative to max hp?

Because the hydralite can also be a good deal

and how often do you use your attack?

[wispy monolith]

149/175

[winter harbor]

yeah, this might be a hammer

[wispy monolith]

My attack is the deflecting shield from Atgena

[runic parrot]

i only go for patty if i have 0 dd/sd tbh

hammer is always better for me

or if the other choice is kinda weak, like a centaur heart or coins

[winter harbor]

I skip Patty the most of the NPC rooms

[wispy monolith]

plus an earlier Hammer gave me the projectile charge

Choices are Breaching Rush, Empowering Flight, and Ferocious Guard

I'm feeling either Rush or Guard

[glad mauve]

is it worth getting into chaos's place?

for i am not sure if it its

and it also takes your hp off when you enter in

[somber star]

It is worth it yes

It doesn't take max hp away

[glad mauve]

oki 😛

[runic parrot]

if you're like 3-5 chambers away from a boss fight and youre not sure if you can steamroll it, dont go for the chaos imo

[flat halo]

Question: how would you guys rank the Pom, heart

Versus the hammer and random gods

[tall zodiac]

I go for chaos when theres no good rooms to go into

Hammer for me most of the time

[hearty bramble]

i always pick hammer first since it is only offered twice a run

[tall zodiac]

Also hammer brings some weapons to broken levels at times

[hearty bramble]

sucks though when it's in the shop for 200 and I'm poor

i Need long knuckle upgrade for fists lol

&the piercing shot for shield

[somber star]

I just choose whatever has the prophecy signal

[hearty bramble]

are any keepsakes considered "meta"? or is it just your preference/play style /depends on build?

[runic parrot]

latter

[somber star]

Yeah

[runic parrot]

though on ||higher heat|| i definitely see acorn being a good one

[flat halo]

What is the best mirror setup, the late game one

[somber star]

Whatever suits your playstyle

[hearty bramble]

is it just me or are most of the yellow ones kinda :/

[tepid plover]

Meh

[somber star]

Persuasion is pretty good

[tepid plover]

{ersuasion

[somber star]

I too like my {ersuasion

[runic parrot]

i like sd, god's favor and fated persuation

the rest i put on purple

[raw siren]

Hades

[tepid plover]

Hades

[runic parrot]

Hades

[copper canopy]

PIT

[copper canopy]

C h a l l e n g e a c c e p t e d

[grand crystal]

can we all just agree that zagreus cant leave cuz he ate all of those pomegranates??

and like he has to stay 1 month per seed

and he eats a lot of them

[weary viper]

Question I can have my save from my switch to PC using cross-saves?

[somber star]

If there is cross saving yes

[weary viper]

So if I link my steam on the switch, then open on PC it should be there right?

[sterile flicker]

DONT SO IT

DO IT*

PLEASE

[gritty roost]

as long as you're connected to the internet and choose "sync & quit", yes

[weary viper]

Thanks! it worked!

[supple basalt]

idk how to feel- starting room on a glove run, poseiden boon- and its the legendary huge catch

[brisk trail]

the best boon

[supple basalt]

i never pay attention to fishing so rip, guess i gotta look out for them this run

[tall zodiac]

Plume is so good if you can get fast room clears

[brisk trail]

the room will ding after the encounter is over if there's a fish

[supple basalt]

yeah i know,, usually got music playing tho, so never really hear it

[brisk trail]

ah yeah

[tall zodiac]

Even though i know theres a fish

I always forget there is one after i clear tje room

[brisk trail]

ugh i do that so often

i was fighting lernie, saw the spot and just left as soon as the fight was over

[supple basalt]

i did that my last run, i looked at it even, and just ran out the door

[brisk trail]

same lmao

[supple basalt]

sometimes fishing just feels useless, unless you get a fish that gives titan blood and those, then yeah, worth it then

[brisk trail]

I did the opposite on another run, I was fighting ||hades||, saw the fishing spot and was so focused on it that I died

[supple basalt]

lmao

chamber 7 and no fish so far, now i remember why this boon makes me sad

[silver totem]

wow beat hades on my first run and i have not failed since lol

[brisk trail]

max heat

use it

it will be really fun

[silver totem]

i have been

still going

ONE MORE RUN

[brisk trail]

max?

[silver totem]

god damn i am addicted

uh think so

lol

[brisk trail]

surely you just mean enough to get more bounties

[silver totem]

yea probably

[brisk trail]

i was gonna say lol

[ornate bear]

Just had a thought for a possible boon for a god, or maybe a hammer upgrade:
Armor Puncturing: Damage dealt to enemies that is more than the armor they have, carries over to their health pool. (e.g. instead of a 1000 damage crit only breaking the 200 armor an enemy has, it also damages their health with the same attack and kills them.

[brisk trail]

it should replace one of the millions of hidden aspect hammers for the gun

[supple basalt]

ngl, all i want, is to be able to give a nectar to the hammer, to get a thing to guarente one like you can with the gods smh

dont ask me how that would work, but would be nice

[brisk trail]

you're pretty much guaranteed 2 per run anyway aren't you?

[copper canopy]

I just want Fated Persuasion for the hammer

[supple basalt]

i think your supposed to, but sure doesnt seem like a guarenteed 2 at times

tho it would be helpful on max heat, to be able to guarente a hammer on the first region atleast

[brisk trail]

yeah

[lyric wharf]

I unlocked every hidden aspects now, my favorite hidden aspect is sword for sure.

[supple basalt]

im trying to do a new save file, as i took a break from hades, so now that im back, wana feel the pain all over again

beat it twice so far with the shield both times, so thats cool atleast

[brisk trail]

I really want to like the sword hidden aspect, but the slower attacks really annoy me

[supple basalt]

for me the spear hidden aspect just makes me sad

[lyric wharf]

You can try ||heat|| runs on your main save to make it more painful.

[lyric wharf]

Slow attacks but high damage that really makes up for it, its not an issue if you know when to attack.

[supple basalt]

already max ||heat|| all i did alot of grinding b4 i burnt out