h1-discussion

[distant night]

yep

totally agree

[hexed shore]

Game has a learning curve, you'll get there

[distant night]

the learning curve is really interesting

it can take alot of time till you really feel comfortable or one day you're achilles recarnate

[timid slate]

having prior experience in these type of games helps too

if its ur first game

u gonna suffer

[distant night]

sometimes

[hexed shore]

Achilles recarnate so you die to damage on the heel from lava right?

[timid slate]

deadcells, skul : the hero slayer, hollow knight, sundered etc

[hexed shore]

Been there done that

[distant night]

it's my first ever roguelike/like and i still felt decent after 80h

[distant night]

stop this hurts too much.........

[hexed shore]

It's my second roguelike, first was sts

[distant night]

sts?

[timid slate]

slay the spire

[distant night]

ah

[timid slate]

this aint ike this xD

[hexed shore]

Very different

[distant night]

well

[timid slate]

more like diff genre

[distant night]

roguelike/lite is just a genre

[timid slate]

closest i could see is dead cells

[hexed shore]

If say hades is roguelite not roguelike

[distant night]

it still follows a similar route with the "you choose a new room and cant use the others uwu"

[timid slate]

rougelikes usually connected to platformers

[distant night]

thats not what a roguelike differenciates from roguelites

roguelikes dont have that much you can permanently upgrade

[hexed shore]

Something to be said about original rogue being turn based

[distant night]

it's literally only run to run basis

[hexed shore]

Which hades definitely is not

[distant night]

roguelite have more permanent upgrades

(mirror, weapons, aspects, keepsakes, ||companions|| -> we got a roguelite boi)

but the ad of hades was great

[strong jetty]

I just discovered Aegis Zeus with Doom 🙂

[distant night]

:o

[hexed shore]

Dire misfortune gogogo

[distant night]

did you get reborn and feel like the next achilles without the heel?

[timid slate]

doom so overrate

[strong jetty]

depends, if you have stack on it, or using aegis zeus where it keep repeating it, it great

otherwise it yeah a junk clearer

I prefer hungover AoE

[distant night]

doom is great when you have aphro there and the 60%+

400 free doom damage baby

[timid slate]

aphro?

[hexed shore]

Aphrodite

[distant night]

aphrodite

[timid slate]

the weak?

[distant night]

yes

[hexed shore]

Yes

The best

[brisk trail]

is there a way to play hades with friends??

[distant night]

yes

no sadly not

[timid slate]

what is the 60%?

60% dmg on double states?

[hexed shore]

Impending doom

[timid slate]

mmirror?

[hexed shore]

Doom effects take longer to detonate but deal 60% more damage

[timid slate]

oohhh

[distant night]

Impending Doom

[strong jetty]

HOw much longer?

[hexed shore]

Aphro + ares - > curse of longing

Your weak foes continuously take doom damage

[distant night]

but if you have doom + weak and priviledged status from the mirror maxed: melt

[timid slate]

dude this game so harsh on new players

[hexed shore]

I think it's 0.5 sec or something @strong jetty

[timid slate]

the mirror upgrades

aaa

the mirror upgrade heps

helps

alot

sorry bot ;-;

[distant night]

welllllll there are a few people who beat their first run in under 20 runs 👀

[hexed shore]

Priv status was hands down the best upgrade I got

[strong jetty]

yeah that's worth it

[timid slate]

i beat my first in 12

xD

but the diff from mirror upgrade is just big

[distant night]

yet you say it's too harsh?

well yeah

[strong jetty]

Oh I' assuming, but haven't checked, the mirror upgrades, you can't use the flip upgrades at the same time right?

you have to choose?

[hexed shore]

Yes

[strong jetty]

though so

[distant night]

most of the time the choice is easy

[strong jetty]

only one of the yellow ones I like

[distant night]

fated persuation and dark foresight 😩 ✊

[hexed shore]

Cat this is a Christian server

[distant night]

heck golden touch and gods legacy can also be really nice

whut

[hexed shore]

You can't say heck here cat!

[distant night]

:/

we play in hell

leave me be

[hexed shore]

I want one of the death messages to be, "No recall or intervention can save you from this place. There is no escape."

[heady loom]

is there a way to turn down the whispering sound effect

idk which one its tied to

[brisk trail]

it comes from the shades in the lava/river, so if there's an environmental sounds option that should work

[heady loom]

ill go check

just says max volume, music volume, sfx volume and voice volume

ig it would be sfx but playing without sfx really sucks

[cunning root]

all i want for christmas is a switch update, a switch update, a switch update 🎶

[prisma wind]

Is there something you're hoping to see updated? They did just push the cross-save patch not long ago which should have brought it up to parity with the PC version

[cunning root]

I'll have to check, then. I didn't see any updates go through but I may just be a dummy

:p

Ah, nevermind. It did go through, but the switch never told me.

Or it might have in the corner of the screen and I just didn't see it for the 5 seconds it was there

[fast sundial]

I have about an hour playtime.
What is best to grind for? Keys? Darkness? etc. What would benefit from the start.

[winter harbor]

keys and darkness early

[fast sundial]

Okay. Word.

[prisma wind]

Can't go wrong with keys and darkness, for sure

[fast sundial]

Keys for mirror first or weapons?

[prisma wind]

I would balance it by cost - just do whichever costs the least first

[fast sundial]

Got it.

[prisma wind]

But of course, ultimately it's down to what you think will be the most fun

[fast sundial]

You know it. Thats whats up

[hexed shore]

Unlocking weapons will prolly increase your darkness gain cause you can then always use the dark thrist weapon

[fast sundial]

Okay. okay. All ears here

[brisk trail]

I'd unlock the second set of mirror skills, then all the weapons

[hexed shore]

Unlocking mirror will give you a bigger power boost in general but you also need to have the darkness to pay for the boost in the first place

I think getting till like thick skin is essential

[brisk trail]

thick skin is huge but 625 darkness is a LOT very early game

[hexed shore]

Like I said, huge power boost but also need to able to pay for it

[brisk trail]

ye

[twilit bridge]

I think u can get a good weapon of the first like 3-4 and unlock the last later

Mirror is more important earlier

[brisk trail]

unlocking every weapon is important because you can't use titan blood until then

[hexed shore]

I think unlocking all is good cause thrist

Also ye what Misty said

[neon kelp]

so genre roguelike is one of the best selling genre in gaming industry ?

i have friend still think that

[hexed shore]

Don't know

[neon kelp]

3rd peron camera game sell more and have more market or something idk

but hades dead cells exist

[hexed shore]

Haven't heard of many AAA roguelikes

[manic bobcat]

Depends on what you define as a Roguelike. If you want Pokemon, Fire Emblem, XCOM to be Roguelikes (or Roguelites), then sure. But if you are a purist, then not really.

[hollow heron]

(also please don't get into the like vs lite argument it isn't worth it)

[cold gate]

guys, is hoarding slash any good for stygius

5% of total cash as dmg

like, id have to go out of my way to get as much cash as possible and thats

[rough token]

you pretty much need to build into money

but if you get a lot, it's really good

[cold gate]

i got it early so rn im prioritizing cash

[rancid vapor]

"Zagreus' encounter with the Redeemer of failed runs and broken dreams, ||Patroclus||. 2020, colorized"
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398896768399704082/792179109030789120/unknown.png||

[cold gate]

thats a spoiler...?

idk

[winter harbor]

Patroclus, the savior

[cold gate]

im not there yet but i assumed theyd be reunited again

[rough token]

yeah, because of that it is kinda a spoiler

[rancid vapor]

They are, and aren't... it's complicated

you'll need to play the game to figure out

[winter harbor]

I thought their plot was a spoiler but meeting Pat isn't

Because you just need to make it up to elysium to see him

[raw harbor]

Hey guys!

[rough token]

Hello!

[rancid vapor]

Yeah but I still tagged it just in case people think the meeting is a spoiler or something

[cinder lichen]

The former is true, and the reason.

[cold gate]

why do the little explosive chariots sound like kitten

[prisma wind]

Because the big ones are lions

[raw harbor]

Yea

[cold gate]

i thought they sounded more like robots

or smth like that

[timid slate]

37.2 % dodge chance by end boss

lambent plume is love

<3

and 37.2 move speed as bonus too

uwu

[cold gate]

does dodge chance just mean ignore dmg?

without dashing?

[rough token]

chance to avoid each instance of damage, yeah

[raw harbor]

I think so

[cold gate]

so far ive collected 1.1k coins which amounts to a bit over 50 dmg according to this daedalus upgrade

sounds kinda disappointing :/

[raw harbor]

Oof

[rough token]

keep in mind--that's base damage, iirc

[steady crane]

Wish there was a heat option to make the four sections longer

[rough token]

so I believe it's affected by boons

[cold gate]

oh that sounds promising i guess

[rough token]

though I could be wrong about that

[prisma wind]

Really? I thought it was flat damage added on top
I could also be wrong

[timid slate]

base dmg?

i can swear its the whole dmg dealt to u

it shows tiny white text '' dodged '' ?

i think

[rough token]

most hammers change your base damage

[rough token]

yeah, it's a % chance to avoid each instance of damage

[timid slate]

ah ye

i think thats best keepsake

maybe not so applicable with high heat tho

[raw harbor]

Speaking of Daedalus hammer, it’s 3 missile rail Gun upgrade is broken

[timid slate]

since u dont get to finish fast

3 missle upgrade + rocket

dude

total op experience

my easiest clear so far

nuke em al

[raw harbor]

Yea

[timid slate]

rail is masterrace man

[raw harbor]

Gauntlet is my winner guarantee

[timid slate]

well the winner gurrantee for me is the excalibur

[cold gate]

i rly went for cash instead of talking to patroclus 😔

[timid slate]

its busted

[cold gate]

this upgrade rly changes a man

[timid slate]

which arm u using?

[cinder lichen]

Sounds like a Sword,

[timid slate]

gauntlets @raw harbor

[cinder lichen]

Talking about Hoarding Slash

[raw harbor]

Wdym about arm

[timid slate]

i meant which fist u using

|| demeter || for me

[raw harbor]

Oh

The one with magnet cutter

[rough token]

ayy

Talos is great

[raw harbor]

Yea

[cinder lichen]

Free Cast damage is always nice

[timid slate]

magnets?

those dont hit much

-.-

demeters big mega super cutter

specially with the AoE upgrade

[raw harbor]

But dino special upgrade make it OP

[cinder lichen]

It’s the damage bonus that matters for Talos

[timid slate]

hm?

[cinder lichen]

Imagine being able to Backstab twice and that’s your damage

[timid slate]

i dont get it xD

explain pls

how talons does more dmg than demeterS?

[cinder lichen]

If you were focusing Attack like, say, you put Aphrodite or Artemis onto your Attack

And you lodge a cast into your target after Magnetizing them

Your cast almost deals double damage (95), and you deal double damage without backstabbing.

That’s not even mentioning what would happen if you got yourself a beeg damage cast, or other additional Boons like Clean Kill or Sweet Surrender

Basically, %s are pretty cool.

[timid slate]

ahhhh

damn i go try diz now

got 4 titans D:

could get it to lvl 3

[cinder lichen]

Heh, fully upgraded it goes up to +50%. The damage adds up a lot!

[timid slate]

so ur attacks is main dmg source?

not the cutter?

u just pull em closer and beat em up

[cinder lichen]

Yep. The Special is a utility, still able to deal burst damage, but your Attack is the main dealer this time.

That, or your Cast.

[timid slate]

then u need arti

and probably hermes atk speed too

mhm

gg needs tons of titan blood

[cinder lichen]

I focus less on Attack Speed and moreso beeg damage

[rough token]

cutter is only main damage if you're going Yank&Yeet (Poseidon's Special)

[timid slate]

yank and yeet? :o

wtf

[rough token]

meme build

not particularly good

[cinder lichen]

Heard someone call it the “Yo-yo build” or something like that

[timid slate]

lmaooo

[rough token]

that's a newer name

[timid slate]

unga bunga op builds

[rough token]

yank&yeet is the og name

:3

[cinder lichen]

Pfffft

[timid slate]

honk

god does it work?

[rough token]

it's not actually a good build (I did it recently for fun and died in elysium, on only || 14 heat ||)

[timid slate]

nvm me

xD

aight i go try the cutter build

[cold gate]

ok so Hades is a ||fishing simulator|| now pog

[rough token]

yee :D

[cinder lichen]

Sounds like it works if you get Rupture. But otherwise...

[cinder lichen]

It’s not a real game if it doesn’t have fishing.

[timid slate]

do u use zeus?

with the talos build?

[rough token]

ideally yeah

[timid slate]

or arte?

[cinder lichen]

For Attack?

[timid slate]

ye

[rough token]

zeus attack, poseidon special

[timid slate]

pose special with be a yankyeet build?

no?

[rough token]

for a serious build, still zeus attack

yeah

[timid slate]

i wanna win xD

and im scrub

so barely squeeze it

[rough token]

zeus attack, demeter or aphrodite special

any high-damage cast

ares is good

so is aphro, or dio

[cinder lichen]

Tbh any +damage or +% build would work well
Unsure about how people feel about Dio or Ares on Attack

[timid slate]

ah alright

[rough token]

ares cast on talos, sure

otherwise, it's eh

kinda works on special

[cinder lichen]

But yeah, definitely put a Utility effect on your Special, like Ares.

[timid slate]

what about upgrades

[rough token]

I prefer Aphro (build into enemies take more while weak)

[timid slate]

hammer upgrades

got drafting cutter, rolling knuckles , heavy knuckles

xD

[rough token]

sturdy on special/attack is good

[timid slate]

the heavy knuckles doesnt seem bad

[rough token]

oh, uhh

[timid slate]

reset run? XD

[cinder lichen]

I prefer to put on anything that ups the base damage. Long Knuckles, Rolling Knuckles, etc.

[timid slate]

dash strikes aint so bad with fists

[cinder lichen]

What was Heavy again?

[rough token]

I'd go draining cutter on talos, or rolling knuckle

[timid slate]

3 atk seq

40 base

[cinder lichen]

Oooo

That sounds like a Beeg Damage build thing

[rough token]

yeah

[timid slate]

ye

[cinder lichen]

Noice

[timid slate]

but i tried this crap with rail

[rough token]

in general I don't go for heavy, but that's personal pref

[timid slate]

turned me to melee

.>

so i got phobia

[cinder lichen]

Pfheh

[timid slate]

everytime i see -> 3 atk seq , i touch my gun

ruined my whole run

i was doing zeus build on rails

suddenly im melee slow ass rail user

gg

aight heavy knuckles lets go

[brisk trail]

i wonder how long it will take before hades is -50%

[rough token]

what do you mean?

[cold gate]

im at the end of ||styx|| with more than 3k coin and the stygius upgrade starting to shine

[prisma wind]

I'm guessing they mean price

[rough token]

ah

[narrow hemlock]

game is a fairly recent release so its not going to see half off pricing for a while. supergiant has been generous putting it on sale at 20% off so often recently imo

[brisk trail]

yeah it's like $20 instead of $25 on switch rn

yeah i meant price 😄 i typically wait for bigger sales since i always have a huge backlog anyway lol

wish i had a huge backlog

[timid slate]

ok ,dont ask me how i ended with 2 boons, one of them is zeus cast lvl 5

-.-

[wet nimbus]

Hey discord I need advice I’m almost to second stage of _____ (final boss) I’ve studies him three times with god mode just to learn more lol. Any advice or further things to avoid

[rough token]

I'd ask in #h1-builds-and-combat ^.^

[wet nimbus]

Alright thanks 😊

[manic bobcat]

Oh wightchristmas means White Christmas. Damn...

[rough token]

lmao

[prisma wind]

It means a holiday for all the shades

[cold gate]

yall i feel like its so hard to make use of any backstab bonuses

[brisk trail]

i dont

i usually get a weak hit and then wait til they start trying to hit me

then i dash behind them

[flat vapor]

hope y'all got your holiday hades in :p

[hollow heron]

I finally got around to getting my 32 heat clear yesterday, game gave me a busted build as a present

Was good

[brisk trail]

i have like 4 nectar stuff, who should i use it on?

[rough token]

I'd try and spread it out at the start

[brisk trail]

i gave my first three to the prisoner guy, my "mom" and the god of wine cus i think hangover is pretty good

i'll do ares cus doom is busted

[rough token]

I guess I'd prioritize the gods first

since their keepsakes let you aim for specific boons/builds

[brisk trail]

what do i do with keys after i unlock all the weapons?

[rough token]

unlock the mirror

[cold gate]

i rly took a dmg on attack boon of chaos while using coronacht 😔

on 3rd boss rn too

[brisk trail]

im new to the game sorry, do you mean the darkness mirorr?

[rough token]

yup!

[brisk trail]

OH WAIT

[cold gate]

im doing suprisingly well too

[brisk trail]

you can spend keys there i forgot

what would you say the best weapon is? or is that a preference thing

Preference

[hollow heron]

Mostly preference

I firmly believe shield is busted but other than that

[rough token]

totally preference

[brisk trail]

i like the spear

you can get good backstab damage with the special

[hollow heron]

Shield you can just block all day

My gameplan with shield is to abuse the early game damage and then build in a way that means I can abuse block late game

[brisk trail]

i think spear + doom or hangover is really good

[timid slate]

rail masterrace

[hollow heron]

I play a style that's very campy, so a lot of my views and opinions on the game have to be taken from that view

[timid slate]

triple special + rocket

gg

[hollow heron]

Y'all ever just use Stygian soul and cast on cd when you aren't even on a cast build? Because I do because it's so safe

[brisk trail]

i have a pretty mashy play style which always gets me killed

[rough token]

I tend to stick with infernal soul, unless I'm intentionally building around a specific cast build

[hollow heron]

My brain read "mahy" as a typo of "mathy" at first and I was very confused

[rough token]

a word of warning--normally, you're totally invulnerable while dashing. If you dash-attack, you lost that for the rest of the dash

[brisk trail]

perfectly calculate all my enemy's movements and strategise the perfect punish yeah

very mathy

wait youre vulnerable after dash attacking? never knew

[rough token]

yup

[brisk trail]

spear dash attack is really good i think

[rough token]

yeah

I just got a new personal speed record using it, actually. Serrated Point is powerful

[hollow heron]

I cannot play non-||GY|| spear

[weary widget]

It makes 80% of other spear hammers feel terrible

[hollow heron]

And even then only special builds

[rough token]

very few people can say that hahaha

that's cool that you're so comfortable with it though

[weary widget]

Non-4th spear has serious damage issues in comparison and the special feels clunky to me imo

[brisk trail]

how many diferent levels/floors are there?

[weary widget]

Retreiving the spear is a pain

[rough token]

4 biomes/regions (don't recall the official term)

[hollow heron]

I've always played it as my preferred spear, the nerfs hurt a bit but I just like the special

[brisk trail]

I like achilles rotation

And I feel like special barely matters on zag or hades

[rough token]

I mean, Zag Spear is all about special

[hollow heron]

I need to try more with Achilles but I don't have it maxed

[brisk trail]

Wait, what

What's zag again

[hollow heron]

I probably have the resources to max it though

[rough token]

+speed, damage, range of special

[weary widget]

Which is why Zag spear is bad

[brisk trail]

Oh lmao

bonking myself

[rough token]

it's not bad, it's just usually not as good

[weary widget]

Spear is conceptually one of my favourite weapons but I will say that Zag spear is especially bad, compared to Zag bow, shield, fists, even rail

[rough token]

I mean, I like Zag rail xD

[weary widget]

Exactly :p I dont think anyone actively likes Zag spear

[hollow heron]

I like the idea of zag spear it just doesn't feel good

[rough token]

25% isn't quite impactful enough, I think

[weary widget]

I have no hope for it to be changed given the state of the game, so Im just moving on to other aspects

[brisk trail]

zag spear is horrid

[winter harbor]

try thinking of it as a double pointed sword

not that it improves the spear any

[hollow heron]

Just treat it as having 2 casts

[brisk trail]

mm 20 dmg dash attack

[hollow heron]

Just like release sword

(wait that was 10 or 15 iirc)

[brisk trail]

ew

[hollow heron]

10-10-20 attack chain

That was slower

40 damage special that was slower smaller and knocked back less

[deep pivot]

Iiiiiiit's 6kj!

I miss ya

[hollow heron]

Heyyyy

I've been convinced to play more Hades by the fact that the gaming channel on another server I'm in has become Hades dominated for like the third time at this point

[deep pivot]

Oh, feeling the competitiveness huh? I wish you good luck in your endeavors

And happy holidays too

Yes, I know you don't have snow but still

[hollow heron]

Got my 32 heat clear yesterday 2nd try so that felt good

It's pretty nice here tbh, not too sunny but warm

[deep pivot]

Congratulations

I'm so happy for you

[hollow heron]

I feel bad that it took me so long to bother tbh but it's nice to have

Also I've gotten to teach a whole new generation of players about remembering to cast

[deep pivot]

Way to go!

[manic bobcat]

doing the Lord's work

[hollow heron]

Every new player hates bow and doesn't cast

[winter harbor]

I still don't love bow, but hidden bow is the best bow

[pliant sparrow]

dunno i loved chiron as a new player

[hollow heron]

Tbh I enjoy Zag and Chiron mostly

[winter harbor]

It lets me treat bow as honorary melee weapon because you hit one enemy, you hit them all

[hollow heron]

Bow is so much fun to kite with

[pliant sparrow]

i still forget to cast tho

[hollow heron]

See I don't enjoy that because I like bow being ranged and just kiting enemies constantly

Just chaining the dash power shots

[winter harbor]

I still haven't mastered the dash power shots

[dull niche]

this was me as a new player yes

can confirm

[hollow heron]

It was me as well but to be fair bow was weird back then

No piercing

I converted to it the first time I two shot hydra though

[dull niche]

i think i started to like it once i began using chiron

then when i started using the last aspect for higher heats i just got even more sucked in

[winter harbor]

Yeah, the bow alternate aspects are awesome

[dull niche]

each of them plays very differently so i like it a lot

[brisk trail]

Btw does anyone know how to progress further with Ambrosias , i've seen to hit a wall with certain characters like thanatos and meg after unlocking all nectar hearts and giving them Ambrosias to unlock the companion. Since ive done like 10 more playthroughs and talked to pretty much everyone in the house of hades and dont seem to progress further in companionship

[median crystal]

Hera is beast sometimes as well, especially if you get extra casts

[median crystal]

I'm 100 hrs deep and onlyhhabe 2 companions...

[brisk trail]

Jesus is it that tedious

[hexed shore]

It's just dialogue rng

[brisk trail]

I figured much

[hexed shore]

I got meg very early and maxed all her hearts

[brisk trail]

So basically It will trigger itself at some point

[hexed shore]

Had to do atleast 30 runs before I found than's first ambrosia dialogue

[brisk trail]

That kind of sucks and frustrates me a little bit

[hollow heron]

Once you get one the rest come quickly at least that happened to me

[brisk trail]

Jesus christ

[brisk trail]

I hope that's the same for me

though my rng luck in general sucks

😔

I hear someone did around 70+ runs and only managing to unlock 2

[hexed shore]

Lol I'm at 80 runs and I have only two

I don't think I've done even 5 since I got mort

[hollow heron]

I have no clue when I got mine tbh

[tender oxide]

I got all of mine and I’ve only done like 40 runs total

[brisk trail]

what the hell!

im getting really frustrated now and exhausted

[hexed shore]

Never much cared for it cause I just wanted to see all dialogue, whether it's relevant to companions or not

[tender oxide]

If you have other story conversations going on with Than some of them will take precedence over the ambrosia ones

[hexed shore]

It's only annoying to me with nyx who just sits there and gives me no dialogue

[brisk trail]

You have to build your relationship with chaos too

since they are tied

go to chaos and complete their dialogue/story

you need to go back and forth with then and nyx for this

[rough token]

|| Nyx || is important for several other characters as well

[kind sedge]

I feel like the Sword is so much harder to use than the Bow or the Shield

[brisk trail]

yh i feel that too

since i pick malphon over sword

i got a weird taste

[kind sedge]

Bow is shoot and run, Shield is hold attack special and run, but Sword just leaves you open unless you hit and run which feels kind of slow

[brisk trail]

if i want to go all out crazy close range combat ill go for malphon

[fathom sinew]

so u dont play shield like guntlets?

[kind sedge]

I go with a Special-based build with Chaos Shield

[fathom sinew]

thats so slow id rather play rail

[brisk trail]

I need to unlock || aspect of gligamesh||

[hollow heron]

Imagine not playing shield like you live in a tent

[brisk trail]

need to drop my aspect of talos for that

heard its pretty awesome

[kind sedge]

I'll try Nemesis Sword again a few times but I died before the second boss

[fathom sinew]

to be fair i play bow with triple shot and closa rang dmg upgrades so

i rly do like to get personal

[brisk trail]

Shield is only slow if you keep blocking and blocking

[tropic arrow]

Is this a bug? I can use triple dash in every round without any boon. If I get the triple dash from Hermes it becomes 6 dashes in a row.

[brisk trail]

how well does athena work with shield

[hollow heron]

I'm in this message and I'm indifferent

[brisk trail]

Which is fine if you don't mind slow

[fathom sinew]

@tropic arrow ehat weapon

[tropic arrow]

The last aspect of the fist

[brisk trail]

That's normal

[fathom sinew]

ye u get extra dashes

[brisk trail]

|| gilgamesh?|| @tropic arrow

[tropic arrow]

Oh. That's not in the weapon description somehow

[tropic arrow]

Yes

[brisk trail]

how good is it

compared to talos

[tropic arrow]

Not liking it for now

Might change my mind later

[cinder lichen]

Not everything is in the 4th wep descriptions.

[rough token]

(any details about the hidden aspects should be in #h1-builds-and-combat or #h1-story-discussion please) @tropic arrow @brisk trail

[fathom sinew]

i slmosy beated charon in tartarus kind of good

[brisk trail]

mind explaining how it works

[cinder lichen]

I think 4th Fists are supposed to be used with Ruthless Reflex, but unsure

[tropic arrow]

Let's move this somewhere else

[brisk trail]

ok

yh just ping me there

[fathom sinew]

im almost complitely done with the game yet im missing half of the fish, whats going on?

[tender oxide]

Bad rng

[rough token]

fish rng is a bit tricky

[fathom sinew]

cuz im mising all yhe high rarity fish?

[rough token]

you need to be pretty fast to get those, usually

in seconds from the flash of light, it's approximately:
0-0.32 for rare, "5%" legendary
0.32-0.64 for common, "5%" rare
0.64-1 for common
1+ no fish

"5%" is in quotes because that's what the code says, but experimental data does not hold up to that for me xD

[fathom sinew]

so getting em fast makes em better notted

no morr nuckleheads i swear

[tender oxide]

Do you always get a ||bass|| fishing from the ||surface||

[rough token]

don't think so

[tender oxide]

That’s all I’ve gotten there

[fathom sinew]

ive gotten anither one im pretty sure

|| trout? ||

[rough token]

(also the fish's name would also be a spoiler, if you could tag that )

[tender oxide]

Didn’t think about that sorry

[rough token]

no worries ^.^

|| surface || fish are || trout, bass, sturgeon ||

[fathom sinew]

and how many fishes are there in the void

[rough token]

chaos has 3 fish, same as others

[fathom sinew]

ive literally only seen fishing spot there once

[tender oxide]

So there’s only 3 fish per region?

[rough token]

ye

common, rare, legendary

[glacial star]

this game's made me realize the potential for games in education

like yeah, it's not 100% accurate and theres a lot of artistic interpretation

but you can learn a lot just by basically osmosis lol

[rapid forum]

Thank you, God of War for getting me 80 on my middle school history test

[low nexus]

reject humanity turn into blade rift

:you turn into a blade rift by ares call

[glacial star]

for example, you can learn that poseidon is a POS god and only has bad boons

and that could really impact your future and career

[low nexus]

he has some good boons

[rapid forum]

his dash is gud

[low nexus]

when paired with eachothers

like typhoons fury with water dash

[glacial star]

the only thing i like from him is the dash (but doesnt come close to athenas) and the call

[rapid forum]

Chiron with sea storm is pretty gud

[low nexus]

athena is top tier

[glacial star]

i think you actually cant get a bad roll in athena

like there arent 3 bad boons

[weary widget]

DDs when you don't need them

[low nexus]

maybe holy shield

i dont like using that at all

[glacial star]

Buuut its kinda useful

unlike say poseidon attack on a melee weap

[rapid forum]

holy shield is just a no u card

[low nexus]

what do you guys think about artemis?

[rapid forum]

god tier

literally

[weary widget]

Artemis is amazing

Get some % damage extra and you're good

[prisma saddle]

Hello, can someone help me, my game is not saved, I don't know how to help please

[low nexus]

rip

[rapid forum]

might wanna go to #h1-tech-fixes and #h1-tech-support

[lost osprey]

hey guys

[glacial star]

to me, worst gods are poseidon and demeter

[lost osprey]

is life steal a thing that can be equipped to the spear?

[weary widget]

No, but ||Guan Yu aspect|| has life on hit on the charged attack.

[lost osprey]

damn

[glacial star]

so THATS why the health is reduced???

[rapid forum]

yes

[glacial star]

i didnt use it a single time

[lost osprey]

that ruins my entire build of hit em fast and get health

[rapid forum]

your hold attack ||sends beyblade to enemy||

[glacial star]

i basically played it like a bow

found like a heroic special atk bonus + chaos epic special

[rapid forum]

tbh, I think the trade off is not worth it

[glacial star]

it's definitely not

[rapid forum]

||if it's like +2 instead, that would be nice||

[glacial star]

if the charged attack wasnt bound to literally holding the mouse, it would be

[weary widget]

Just don't get hit, no more tradeoff

[rapid forum]

that's like

[glacial star]

but those milliseconds it takes are too much imo

[rapid forum]

every weapon

ever lmao

[glacial star]

that is true, centaur heart is pretty bad too

if you dont get hit, you dont need more health

going for centaur heart = planning for failure, you heard it here first folks

[weary widget]

Practice by taking hearts as lowest priority, pro strat

[rapid forum]

my strat is always get at least 200 health by theseus

tho nowadays it's more of guidelines

[glacial star]

wtf, 200 health by theseus is basically heart every time

[rapid forum]

if you start with thick skin, it's like 4 chambers

[glacial star]

start with thick skin?

Oh

im greedy and go for damage lol

[left hollow]

ight so what is the best keepsake in general

[glacial star]

id say persephone's and the charon one

[rapid forum]

god keepsakes

[brisk trail]

People usually go god > god > spear|acorn > acorn

[lost osprey]

guys

[glacial star]

really? god is meta?

[brisk trail]

|| mom's keepsake || is pretty bad tbh

Because you want to secure your build

God keepsakes help you do that

[lost osprey]

any advice for the bull and the king

[brisk trail]

Kill bull first, make use of pillars to block attacks

[lost osprey]

aight

[rapid forum]

dash through a pillar when you see a reticle above you

[brisk trail]

yes

[glacial star]

pers keepsake is literally an upgrade every 4 chambers tho

[manic bobcat]

sure, but upgrading bad boons is not as good as getting good boons in the first place.

blossom is ... fine

[rapid forum]

unless you only have like

3 boons

that you need

[manic bobcat]

but god god acorn acorn is more "optimized"

then again, you don't need to optimize to win, at all

so do what you want :D

[pliant sparrow]

why wouldnt god be meta you can shape your core build that way

[manic bobcat]

I think the video from Jawless Paul affects a lot of people who are looking for guide

[brisk trail]

It can be fun to see which boon the keepsake upgrades

Aside from that I don't care about it

[manic bobcat]

where he advocates for purse or butterfly start

[glacial star]

idk the fun for me at least is getting a different build every time

and making it work

[brisk trail]

That's fine too

[manic bobcat]

which is fair.

[brisk trail]

Just not meta

[rapid forum]

Let me introduce you to Hades Randomizer

[manic bobcat]

Meta means some degree of optimization is involved.

But you certainly don't have to optimize like I said.

[manic bobcat]

So... AP2?

[rapid forum]

nope

[pliant sparrow]

yah ||mom|| keepsake is kinda bad except in maybe final region, in which case you'd bring acorn anyways

[brisk trail]

I mean, that is what meta stands for

[rapid forum]

it's an actual website

[lost osprey]

acorn?

[brisk trail]

Eurydice

[glacial star]

so acorn is good huh? i get hit 5 times in the first 10 secs it feels like lol

[manic bobcat]

boss hits hard
Acorn make boss not hit hard
small brain understand
free Zag
uga uga

[pliant sparrow]

and those 5 hits are about 200 damage on final boss

[brisk trail]

|| blossom || is especially bad in the last region i feel

You have so many boons at that point

The chances of it hitting what you want are...

[rapid forum]

||boiling blood kills me every time||

[glacial star]

yeah what does boiling blood even do

[pliant sparrow]

DoT

[brisk trail]

Beeger damage

[pliant sparrow]

but acorn prevents that

[manic bobcat]

simply because Acorn on average gives more effective HP than other options, especially on heat like Hard Labour which increases Acorn value by... two.

notable replacement is Spearpoint

under certain conditions.

[lost osprey]

OO

[manic bobcat]

From the ||final booss?|| you take ||double damage while having it.||

[lost osprey]

i just killed bull within the first 30 secs

[brisk trail]

Nice

[lost osprey]

and i have thesus at hakf

half

[pliant sparrow]

nice now burst him down

[lost osprey]

i dont remember hitting him tho

[keen scarab]

Hey so once I get all the bounties for 1 heat on a weapon how do I get new bounties? I thought it was just from higher heat but nothing shows up

[lost osprey]

but its the zues effect prolly

[manic bobcat]

Can I post that champs in 5s vid?

[lost osprey]

zeus

[brisk trail]

Did you clear completely?

Increasing heat for a weapon refreshes rewards

[cinder lichen]

What happens when Zagreus hits a foe with a cast?

[lost osprey]

GOTTEM!

[brisk trail]

Once you've cleared the previous one

[keen scarab]

huh i thought i had but i didnt on fists

ty

[manic bobcat]

Heat is separate for each weapon.

[lost osprey]

oo

[keen scarab]

yeah ik

[lost osprey]

im going into the next ring with 235 health

[cinder lichen]

Oooh, you want to know how to get more bounties, Soaring?

[manic bobcat]

Also reward is "continuous." It picks up where you die. If you are on a higher heat but the game still gives you darkness, it means you did not complete the previous heat entirely, if this makes sense.

[lost osprey]

whats the heat?

[brisk trail]

Endgame spoilers

[manic bobcat]

Post first clear content.

[pliant sparrow]

not really "endgame"

[manic bobcat]

It's not that far into the game, basically NG+ option.

[keen scarab]

its from clearing with heat, right?

[lost osprey]

NOOO

[pliant sparrow]

when you unlock it before you finish the story

[lost osprey]

CERBERUS MY BOI

NOOO

[cinder lichen]

a

[brisk trail]

Lmao

[pliant sparrow]

oh right you have to torture him

[manic bobcat]

lul

[pliant sparrow]

forgot about that part

[rapid forum]

oh yea

[pliant sparrow]

gl hf

[manic bobcat]

kill him

[rapid forum]

forgot that one

[brisk trail]

Cerby hardest boss

Good luck

[pliant sparrow]

the first time you clear it, you have to slowly torture him for half an hour depending on ur weapon - and he'll die eventually, trust me :D

[keen scarab]

his last phase is awful, basically impossible to flawless

[manic bobcat]

^

[rapid forum]

Careful of his rock slinging move

[manic bobcat]

Cerb has 7 phases

[lost osprey]

i dont wanna hurt him ;-;

[brisk trail]

Sacrifices have to be made

[pliant sparrow]

dude just play the run xD

[prisma wind]

[brisk trail]

[manic bobcat]

The last phase where you fight the head you pet is the worst.

[brisk trail]

Cerby's heads

[cinder lichen]

Also when talking about your run if you're like past Elysium please talk about it in not hades-discussion

You know, no spoilers and all that.

[brisk trail]

Heat isn't really considered a spoiler here, from what I've seen

[lost osprey]

oh sorry

[brisk trail]

Since it doesn't mean anything if you haven't cleared

[manic bobcat]

#h1-discussion message

[cinder lichen]

Mentioning Cerberus in a tone of anguish can mean a lot of things.

[manic bobcat]

Just make the heat talk short and concise.

Is my take from it

[rough token]

It's kinda a spoiler, though as Fox linked, quick discussion about it is cool

[keen scarab]

hmm i forgot to gift dionysus twice in a row, thats cool

[prisma wind]

Yes, please have in-depth conversions about gameplay in the appropriate channels

[manic bobcat]

Gifting Dio alcohol is like sending Bill Gates money

Like... why???

(in general, not for gameplay obviously)

[hexed shore]

So that I can have in depth discussion about his thighs

[cinder lichen]

It's the thought that counts

[radiant estuary]

Why not?

[glacial star]

homie gives it back tho

[rapid forum]

for him to get drunk on

[brisk trail]

[carmine ravine]

*gifting bouldy nectars

[rapid forum]

noooooo

don't you dare sully bouldy

[hexed shore]

If bill gates didn't get money he wouldn't have money so it makes sense

[manic bobcat]

it's funny everytime some one asks what the ambiguity bonus does.

[cinder lichen]

Gifting Bouldy has a similar purpose as gifting others. At least he puts it to use.

[manic bobcat]

the dev knew lol

[rough token]

It's ambiguous, obviously

[cinder lichen]

It influences your mysteriousness, right?

[manic bobcat]

it makes you win a run or lose it.

50/50. You either win or you lose.

[winter harbor]

Dio loves having alcohol personally gifted to him

[hexed shore]

Actually the probablity is a bit more complex than that

[carmine ravine]

does bill gates loves having money sent personally to him

[brisk trail]

When's the date-your-cousin dlc

[hexed shore]

There's a 100% chance that you won the run when you win it and a 100% chance that you lost it when you die

[rough token]

Modified by ± the Ambiguity bonus, of course

[manic bobcat]

Why does Discord keep making me reply to the wrong line???????

[deep pivot]

Boop boop~

[hexed shore]

It's the ambiguity between messages

[manic bobcat]

I got ambiguity bonus irl huh

[hexed shore]

No one said the ambiguity bonus didn't apply irl

[carmine ravine]

idk man why do u reply to the wrong line

[deep pivot]

I see what you did there.

[narrow hemlock]

wild peach has appeared

[deep pivot]

Tatz!

[manic bobcat]

M E T A
E
T
A

[glacial star]

wow

[deep pivot]

I just decided to take a small breather from rezzing people in my alliance 10+ times (not kidding) and I only got 2 comms the ungratefuls

[manic bobcat]

(more of a irony, but eh, we don't have joke police here)

[rough token]

:3

[lost osprey]

YOOO

I DIDNT HAVE TO KILL CERBERUS

[manic bobcat]

You get the bad ending. I'm sorry.

[glacial star]

must be a bug

[lost osprey]

w h a t

[manic bobcat]

The good one is where you need to murder the doggo.

[lost osprey]

n o

[glacial star]

yeah your game is glitched

[lost osprey]

p l e a s e

[pliant sparrow]

yah dude literally the best part of the game

[narrow hemlock]

dont spook the newbies rofl

[rapid forum]

this is hilarious

[rough token]

ignore them they're messing with you

[deep pivot]

And even if they were telling the truth, no spoilers allowed here

[rough token]

|| which includes anything after the doggo ||

[glacial star]

now you guys are just flexing your discord knowledge

[lost osprey]

okay good

[glacial star]

how do you do strikethrough tho

i was telling the truth tho

[manic bobcat]

||strikethrough|| spoiler

[rough token]

~~like this~~

[deep pivot]

I will be off to healing some friends now. Play nice

[narrow hemlock]

miss u already peach

[manic bobcat]

Bye Peach ~~

[deep pivot]

And remember that you are all loved

[rough token]

|| this for spoilers ||

Bai 🍑

[carmine ravine]

theres no spoilers here ||no cars in the underworld||

[manic bobcat]

||Santa is real :3||

[hexed shore]

Actual spoiler ||there's chariots though||

[carmine ravine]

||santa is a house invader||

[hexed shore]

Christmas dlc with santa boons when

[carmine ravine]

||can chariots have spoilers tho||

[glacial star]

||for real tho, whoever designed armored chariots is a sadist||

[winter harbor]

it's the only enemy with a charon well item that specifically gets rid of it

[carmine ravine]

||theseus with sport chariot sponsored by charon Styxuber||

[hexed shore]

Haven't seen spoilers but I have seen ||idiots on it||

[glacial star]

|||| spoilers within spoilers||||

[rough token]

/spoiler || this does funky things || doesn't it

[carmine ravine]

||spoilers but not rly

[rough token]

Oh right, forgot that doesn't work on mobile

[hexed shore]

Get automodded

[manic bobcat]

Damn bot ruined my joke

[hexed shore]

Noob

[lost osprey]

hey what do i do with ambrosia

[manic bobcat]

true =.=

[glacial star]

drink

[pliant sparrow]

end game stuff

[lost osprey]

it said i can upgrade stuff

[hexed shore]

Hoard it

[rough token]

Give it to people later on

[manic bobcat]

Give it to people you love and when they like you back.

[carmine ravine]

bribe

[hexed shore]

Become the god of wine yourself

Then tell people is jus a prank bro

[glacial star]

||is|| ||this|| ||continuous?||

[manic bobcat]

Big spoiler ||https://imgur.com/blKzMf5||

[brisk trail]

You made me tap three times

Angy

[hexed shore]

Small spoilers on phone are a nightmare

[glacial star]

lol

[lost osprey]

it said i could upgrade special items tho

[rough token]

Yeah

After giving ambrosia to certain people

[glacial star]

||s||||o|||| ||||t||||h||||i||||s|||| ||||i||||s|||| ||||h||||e||||l||||l||

[hexed shore]

|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

[lost osprey]

but who tho

[brisk trail]

[hexed shore]

Just keep playing you'll find out

[lost osprey]

like who do you reccomend

[hexed shore]

We don't wanna spoil

[rough token]

That's a question for #h1-story-discussion , or a long spoiler tag here

Preferably #h1-story-discussion

[hexed shore]

You'll have enough ambrosia for all

So don't worry about who

[carmine ravine]

||psst ||||hey ||||kid, ||||do ||||you ||||want ||||a ||||bouldy?||||||

[winter harbor]

Yeah, you'll have more than enough ambrosia

Especially with prophecies

[pliant sparrow]

id recommend maxing out relationship with meg first tho

[manic bobcat]

Settings - Text and Images - Show Spoiler - Always

You have no power here

[rough token]

You're a brave fox

[brisk trail]

Love the Yule log

[hexed shore]

Post actual spoilers, ruin his life

[lost osprey]

should i go sword or spear?

[manic bobcat]

https://imgur.com/blKzMf5

[lost osprey]

or hand

[brisk trail]

Nissan spoiler is weak

[hexed shore]

Yes

[manic bobcat]

real man uses hand

[hexed shore]

What does fake man use

[manic bobcat]

fake men use casts

[winter harbor]

FoxHope's powerful swim swims make him immune

[carmine ravine]

smh no sparta sandals to kick enemies

[rough token]

Fox stop misleading the new people

:3

[manic pagoda]

[lost osprey]

or do i use G U N

[glacial star]

#h1-for-new-players

[manic bobcat]

use the one with Dark Thirst on.

[keen scarab]

so uh.. just made it to erebus? never heard of this before

thats what i get for just grabbing everything i guess

[manic bobcat]

[lost osprey]

alright thats gun then

[carmine ravine]

put the thirsty ones on your hands

[winter harbor]

Try not to get hit

[carmine ravine]

erebus is for heat stuff iirc

[keen scarab]

holy heck that was wild, rip 2 defiances

[manic bobcat]

don't worry, you get some healing after all that

[hexed shore]

[glacial star]

@keen scarab ||thats what u get for robbin charon||

[carmine ravine]

Hades: ⭐ you tried, here some

[keen scarab]

you know what it was fun

[manic bobcat]

Erebus is different from ||secret boss|| though

[keen scarab]

worth it, would do it again

well it said that i was in erebus location wise

[carmine ravine]

maybe erebus is ||the frinds we made along the way||

[manic bobcat]

Oh I see, so you ||stole from Charon||?

[winter harbor]

Well, the fight is in erebus anyway

Albeit a different room

[manic bobcat]

There is a different Erebus.

[carmine ravine]

a different ere and a different bus

[keen scarab]

yeah i know, i've seen it in the ||building contractor|| idk if thats a spoiler but there u go

[manic bobcat]

Yeah I was confused. Normally people refer to Erebus not as that fight. I missed the context there.

[keen scarab]

i mean i worded it confusingly

[carmine ravine]

as long its not ||greece|| its all good

[manic bobcat]

I love how Hades now have Discord integration

[lost osprey]

how do i do the spoiler mark

[glacial star]

||like this||

[prisma wind]

||Like this||

[manic bobcat]

|| spoilers go here ||

[lost osprey]

aight

[prisma wind]

Or highlight the text you want to spoiler and click on the eyeball icon

[lost osprey]

damn brb i needa find it on my keyboard

[glacial star]

||~~***oh ya***~~||

wait it didnt work

[manic bobcat]

It's above your enter

If you use the Murica layout

[lost osprey]

thats just backspace

[prisma wind]

Can't do markdown inside a code block Alex

[manic bobcat]

Yeah you have the non US keyboard.

[glacial star]

oh

[lost osprey]

is it on here

[prisma wind]

If you can't find the button, you can just highlight the text and click the on-screen button to spoiler tag

[manic bobcat]

It's the one on the left of your backspace.

Use shift

[lost osprey]

fox thats just plus

||so i unlocked the guns aspects||

[manic bobcat]

Nice

Do you fancy any of them?

[lost osprey]

||oh wait i have all the starting aspects for all weapons ||

[manic bobcat]

:D

[lost osprey]

:)

time to go beat the crap out of meg

[hexed shore]

Oof not the way I'd phrase it

[glacial star]

poor meg 😦

[winter harbor]

You make it sound like an abusive relationship and not her job

[glacial star]

do the devs ever talk here?

[winter harbor]

(altho Zag is into being whipped, how kinky of him)

[lost osprey]

i was gonna ask what myth meant and then dys explained it

[hexed shore]

Can we stop having poop as a no no word for the bot pls

[manic bobcat]

Occasionally yes.

I know they do read this channel from time to time.

[lost osprey]

i wish there was a way to backtrack through the areas but they will be harder

[winter harbor]

Somwbody ask them to buff spear hidden

[lost osprey]

just so i can get stuff i wanted

[hexed shore]

Buff spear in general

All the aspects are so same

[manic bobcat]

Later on you have more options to manipulate the RNG.

[winter harbor]

Achilles aspect is fine, you can even get some mileage out of Hades spear too, idk how you're supposed to use zag aspect because its special sucks

[radiant estuary]

And the fourth aspect is better at it for damage anyways

[hexed shore]

Sure but they all feel the same when you play

[lost osprey]

any way to manipulate hammers later in any way fox

[winter harbor]

You can't reroll hammers

[lost osprey]

reroll?

[hexed shore]

Compared to like Zeus shield or dem fists of talos fists or chiron or hestia

[manic bobcat]

Ok, no for hammer.

[lost osprey]

ah so their aint anything to help me get more hammers

[winter harbor]

The last mirror perk, green side, lets you reroll boons and well of charons

You can risk it on an anvil of fate but it has a habit of making the worst possible choices

[hexed shore]

You can get two hammers per run

Then in Styx shop there's a chance you might get - 1 +2

But the Styx shop hammer is random

[winter harbor]

I like how the bow aspects all feel really unique

[manic bobcat]

Yeah, you can expected 2 hammers per run. You might get 3 with some degree of RNG like Myth said so 3 is not as reliable.

[lost osprey]

also how does fishin work

does it help

[manic bobcat]

fishing lets you have some extra darkness, gems, keys, etc.

[lost osprey]

oh

[manic bobcat]

but it doesn't change your current run

if that makes sense.

[lost osprey]

ive found new enemies

big hands flying

[radiant estuary]

Drop the rod in, then press the button as soon as possible after the bait goes underwater

[manic bobcat]

Keyword, underwater. There are fake bops.

[lost osprey]

damnit

its green girl

but shes pretty easy

huh

she was easier than meg

[manic bobcat]

she is.

[lost osprey]

i didnt even use triple strike

oh i just got deflect dash from athena

[green nexus]

oh, sick!

I should really use her boons more, i've just been spamming Doom and Weak a whole ton lmao

guess I really like damage

[lost osprey]

my favorites are poisons and sheilds combined with triple strike