Support fire is pretty good as is
#h1-discussion
waxen juniper
manic bobcat
It used to have no cap like it is now
So on fists, it is as awesome as you think it should. Each hit procs an arrow.
waxen juniper
And... I lost again
waxen juniper
Grrr... I think EM4 is a bit too much for me right now :/
manic bobcat
took my about 6 tries to get it. though I stubbornly sticked with fists to beat him which imo is one of the harder weapons for boss fights.
which weapon are you using?
waxen juniper
I was just using whatever gave me dark thirst
manic bobcat
well a good bow build can melt bosses
waxen juniper
I am gonna take a break from EM4 for now. But I have bow on dark thirst, and chiron does seem kind of fun
waxen juniper
I will say I feel more confident about EM3 though
waxen juniper
just take a nap
It's late. I plan on it :p
vital aurora
can anyone explain how this guy is able to throw board so quickly after dash attack? there's no hold/outline except in a few cases: https://www.speedrun.com/hades/run/y6rev6py
rapid forum
I haven't seen the vid fully. But my guess is the shield hammer
manic bobcat
Looks normal to me. Though you can ask the guy himself @weary urchin
tribal sierra
I am in a pickle I am using chiron now and Ares showed up and decided to give me curse of agony as heroic while heartbreak strike is an epic
tribal sierra
He's also doing blade dash and battle rage
granite ether
especially if you have deadly flourish on special
tribal sierra
Haven't got Artemis yet
brisk trail
Keep Heartbreak Strike all the same.
Battle Rage doesn't really do anything for you, with that build in mind, either.
tribal sierra
Hmm I don't wanna mess anything up so coming here is an option
Athena
Phalanx shot
Bronze skin
Holy sheild
hushed pumice
Battle Rage is okay
It's going to boost your shot before you special after you kill something
With aphro attack and a power shot, it amounts to a good amount of damage
dull niche
you can also try to use battle rage to shotgun an enemy with ur special
frigid abyss
i love in the top run rn the first part of that video the guy is like "that was a warm up death" i tell myself that all the time 😩
weary urchin
can anyone explain how this guy is able to throw board so quickly after dash att...
henlo
let me know if you have a timestamp and i can take a look
oh jk it is timestamped
hmm im not sure quite what you're asking about but if you have a quick clip i can probably clarify
vital aurora
@weary urchin @ 4:50 in the run. also does it everywehre else in the video
alpine monolith
wow, the block on the shield is actually amazing
weary urchin
yeup
um
i dont think that's a throw
tbh i dont really like beowulf special
but that's basically just a standard attack after the charge
do you mean 4:50 in the video or 4:50 IGT?
vital aurora
4:50 video
its a dash attack and then the charge attack
but the charge is near instant
when i try it, i get a dash, a regular attack, and then a noticeable charge arrow
weary urchin
ah just do the standard dash attack and keep holding
vital aurora
ah. i'll try not reinputting attack then
weary urchin
make sure you do the dash attack first and then you can just buffer the charge by holding down attack
yeah
alpine monolith
god i cant believe im actually making this a choice while i know the obvious answer but ill still ask
do i take black metal which is a fated choice or a legendary vicious cycle from ares
granite ether
black metal imo
void vigil
i always go for the fated choice
granite ether
in this case black metal gives you more area for slicing shot to deal more damage to more things
and it being a fated choice is an added bonus
alpine monolith
you ever just fight a boss and beat him but have like 2 hp left and then realize you have the strong drink boon
that feeling
frigid abyss
love that feeling
frigid abyss
the first time i fought hades i had the stubborn roots and shield and when i got overwhelmed i just sat in the corner and blocked stuff waiting for my hp to go up lol
alpine monolith
WOW
CURSED SLASH IS OP
also lmao thats such a cheese tactic
my first time was with the shield of chaos, thats also when i first found out you can block while charging the bull rush
frigid abyss
i promise im slightly better at the game now 😩
alpine monolith
lol
honestly its so weird
like after i beat hades with the shield that time
literally next run i beat him again
frigid abyss
i feel like his fight is very easy with shield
contrary to almost every other fight in the game
alpine monolith
yeah the thing about the shield is you can block
and thats such a huge advantage
cuz when you cant you always gotta predict where youll have to go to dodge the attack
frigid abyss
yep yep
frigid abyss
i was watching my friend play and he would just stand there and block everything...legend
frigid abyss
yeah i hate the rats also
frigid abyss
with not the shield, i also hate the poison dart guys
alpine monolith
also demeter boons >>>> everything else
alpine monolith
aphro is the one that gives you the boons that inflict weak right?
frigid abyss
yep yep
alpine monolith
artemis is amazing aswell
frigid abyss
it's really good for stacking effects
alpine monolith
mostly cuz of crits
frigid abyss
because it's so easy to inflict and you can also increase its duration if you get the right boon
and then you just throw ares or dio on top of it
alpine monolith
mfw urge to kill
frigid abyss
love that
frigid abyss
ok im gonna play a run 😩 i think i have to do spear again
frigid abyss
it's just so fun
F for sword
actually i think im good at ||poseidon|| at least rn
alpine monolith
me: literally does nothing
alright, first phase done, 85/90 hp still 4 death defiances ez win gg
granite ether
@alpine monolith the final boss is considered spoilers in this channel, please use spoiler tags or refer to them as redacted or final boss 
alpine monolith
oh aight
also what weapon can i use dire misfortune for or is it for every weapon
dull niche
any
atomic lagoon
I have a question, if I put my Heat straight to 32, would I miss the bounty rewards leading up to it or would it still be possible to unlock after?
dull niche
so the way that works
atomic lagoon
dull niche
is that you will unlock bounty rewards for your highest uncompleted heat
so if you havent done any heat yet
doing 32 would give you the same rewards as doing 1
and if you, say, escape asphdoel and die in elysium at 32
and then retry at 1
you will have already unlocked the bounty for tartarus and asphodel for 1 heat
basically it just treats any heat higher than your highest uncompleted as the highest uncompleted
if that makes sense
atomic lagoon
Okay, thank you. Just wanted to make sure ||because I want to get the 8, 16, 32 rewards without making sure I don’t lose out in the process.||
dull niche
yeah you're good, dw
atomic lagoon
dull niche
theres very little in the game i can think of where you can permanently miss out on something
atomic lagoon
Yeah I agree. 
alpine monolith
||wait, there are special rewards for 8, 16 and 32 heat?||
alpine monolith
||sure why not||
rapid forum
||you get skelly statues upon completinf 8, 16, 32 heats||
alpine monolith
||also are upgrades to infernal weapons considered spoilers||
brisk trail
only the hidden ones
alpine monolith
aight
which bow is better the 2nd or 3rd one
cuz i kinda feel like the 2nd one is better ngl
alpine monolith
so whats your personal preference
granite ether
I prefer Chiron and Zag over Hera
alpine monolith
tbh i agree
granite ether
I wanna play 4th bow more
alpine monolith
cuz when you upgrade chiron and get the daedalus boon that gives you more arrows for your special
it deals some damage
dull niche
i personally like every single bow, so a lot of it comes down to preference in how you play
alpine monolith
ok but hera is not to be underestimated either holy crap
i just used all 3 casts with the demeters cast upgrade, the laser
its fun to watch the boss's hp go down
nocturne ginkgo
cuz when you upgrade chiron and get the daedalus boon that gives you more arrows...
Nah go for +3 damage for each hit of special on one enemy
dull niche
now if you can get BOTH of those
nocturne ginkgo
I completely understand why a person has a favorite weapon cause they are all good
nocturne ginkgo
Hera is fun but chiron is just my default "ez weapon"
nocturne ginkgo
Chiron is insanely good?
strange adder
probably just have to try it more
nocturne ginkgo
its about what boons you decide to use
zeus is the only one that doesn't work well on it
strange adder
i was initially trying to use hangover with chiron
it was alright
chill would probably be better
nocturne ginkgo
hangover is very strong on chiron bow
alpine monolith
wait you guys have actually strats for the game???
i just got for the boons i like the most lol
strange adder
wait you guys have actually strats for the game???
it gets ruined from bad RNG
nocturne ginkgo
lmao I mean I go in with a "plan" meaning I grab the god trinket I want to use when I leave then switch to pom trinket if it doesn't work lol
strange adder
is Poseidon any good? i have no clue how to use his boons effectively
alpine monolith
hes alright i guess, but hes really fun imo
quasi sedge
After 70+ runs, and only 1 successful escape attempt, maybe it's time to activate god mode. Any thoughts?
nocturne ginkgo
depends on the weapon 100%
nothing wrong with god mode I use it on a file to just relax when I play
strange adder
abuse the shield block
granite ether
if you wanna use god mode, go for it ^_^
granite ether
nothing is gated off, and if it helps you have more fun with the game even better ^_^
strange adder
have any of you tried ||personal liability||, what does it do exactly
granite ether
removes the i frames you get after taking a large chunk (I don't remember the specific amount) of hp in short period of time
strange adder
oh
distant night
or HS
alpine monolith
have yall ever tried just using all of the challenge things at once
and then realized
oh theres a timer
and i deal no damage
strange adder
challenge things?
distant night
max ||heat||?
distant night
yeah it's awful but you dont really feel the worst of it in tart if you even survive that long 
alpine monolith
is it even possible tho
strange adder
getting screwed over by RNG seems fun when you can only ||select 1 boon||
distant night
to beat the game? no
nocturne ginkgo
I started a hard mode file where after first run I bumped the heat up to the max of 45 (since you don't have all heat unlocks yet)
and yeah I can't even clear more than like 3 rooms lol
dull niche
58 with bow by tailesque right now iirc
distant night
thanks!
strange adder
what's the max heat you can set
dull niche
63, or 64 on hell mode
strange adder
i'll look on the wiki
dull niche
since personal liability is only on hell mode
rapid forum
I did a 32 heat and RNG was on my side. Got fountain at least 4 times
distant night
yeah i think hell mode max is therefore 68)
fountains are beautiful; every 32 ||heat|| attempt had bad rng and i got the double BP louts mini hard room which eats 2 DDs
it's not even hard
alpine monolith
ok apparently i can beat hades with only 1 death defile but i cant beat the giant butterfly idiot miniboss with less than 2 death defiles
im so good at the game
strange adder
ok apparently i can beat hades with only 1 death defile but i cant beat the gia...
weapon you're using?
distant night
they just do way too much damage at once, and if you get hit by one you will get hit by every single one of them
strange adder
oh uh
alpine monolith
it doesnt deal very good damage and you have to stand still to attack
strange adder
well you could dash strike, it charges the bow faster
alpine monolith
not my style
distant night
do you have ||companions|| unlocked
brisk trail
and dash striking is a must with the bow
distant night
sadly yes but it's disgusting on mouse
strange adder
doesn't mouse auto aim to an extent?
brisk trail
how so?
distant night
a very bad extend
brisk trail
controller makes more use of auto aim
distant night
yes
brisk trail
i wouldnt know the diff since i only use mkb
distant night
being accurate with the mouse when dashstriking is harder
especially if you go into faster moving enemies territory
nocturne ginkgo
really?
distant night
flippin hate the bow in tart
brisk trail
it doesn't make all that difference to me than standing still and attacking
it's just dash then attack as normal
do you mean the direction?
strange adder
using ||rama|| aspect and then switching to the 3 other aspects felt so weird
distant night
well if you wanna stand still when you got those lunge guys after your butt, go ahead
strange adder
it completely ruined my timing
brisk trail
no no, dash strikes are a must
distant night
bow dashstriking just feels awkward when you're used to the other dashstrikes
nocturne ginkgo
same
strange adder
if it makes it any better you could use artemis dash boon
distant night
for me it's harder to be accurate with it
strange adder
is this why people use chiron aspect
distant night
chiron is just a great aspect
alpine monolith
damn charon has a good fricking song
ok i dont think im using the bow ever again
quasi sedge
Also, is there a good build for special using Rama bow? I really like to just fire constantly arrows, not a fan of power shot, even though it does more damage.
molten nymph
i like dio special sometimes
or zeus
depending on whether you want single target or crowd
vestal kestrel
anyone else use zeus shield?
quasi sedge
I tried Doom, but I think I wasn't lucky enough to be a good rarity and high enough level.
molten nymph
i don't think doom is that good if you want to spam it
i'm dabbling in zeus for high heat, heroes still wipe me though
vestal kestrel
the boss in ||Elysium||?
molten nymph
yep
alpine monolith
what does aspect of poseidon do again?
dull niche
I like doom on that bows special but I also don’t spam it that much, I use the attack a lot
big chunky hits
tired sundial
Dislodges cast and increases cast damage
quasi sedge
i don't think doom is that good if you want to spam it
It was good with with shield, but I manage to get it to level 10 in heroic rarity, plus some Doom enhancements. That was my only successful escape
molten nymph
not in context of ||rama|| special spam imo
if you're doing "normal" ||rama|| there's an argument for it, but if you're spamming the special zeus is way better for both crowds and bosses, while dio is better for bosses
alpine monolith
bruh
this was so stupid lmao
i just went to charons shop, then i got a fountain, then i found the guy with his giant boulder, then another charon shop and now boss
molten nymph
speedrunners sweating bullets
nocturne ginkgo
I mean its good for speed run bad for if you are using pom trinket or pierced butterfly lol
^Same braincells
alpine monolith
i like how zagreus is like
hmm the being that created the universe surely wants some nectar
dull niche
lmao
nocturne ginkgo
I like that ||he invites him to the family bbq||
frigid abyss
just did the hydra with like 12 hp, lost 6 at some point, gamer moment 😤
alpine monolith
gamer moment
nocturne ginkgo
Grats man!
tired sundial
somber ledge
ugh I just died during a speedrun attempt with ||guan yu|| lol
was actually making pretty good time with charged skewer + heart rend
atomic lagoon
Stygius is op if you have Aspect of ||Arthur|| and a decent build, I love the damage. 
Artemis crit build is crazy with that.
cosmic stone
Oh
stark onyx
why is the dropkick hammer so fun
tired sundial
The fists have my favorite hammers
nocturne ginkgo
I want to give ||cerb|| the ||biggest hug||
opaque juniper
Im really dissapointed with the colour pallet in Elysium. I was kinda sure they wont gonna let it like that :(
brisk trail
what's up with it?
slim grail
||beowulf|| shield looks... kinda not good. right
brisk trail
try it with stygian soul and dio cast
atomic perch
Eris lightning attack with splash dash seems very inconsistent with seastorm having an extra requirement.
atomic perch
I give it at least 8.5 on the switch.. I'd have it at 9.5 if there was more of a tutorial. I spent my first few days of runs figuring out what persists between runs and what doesn't. Also what the different icons represented. Could have been explained, had to hit the wiki. Game has been great though.
lyric vector
I mark it down because it feels like only 4 bosses even if there are variations of them..
Felt pretty repetitive after 20-30 hours
atomic perch
I didn't get that at all personally. For me its the escape attempt as a whole with the random luck and optimization. Tries to wear you down. For me the game was also a large part the changing story and the relationships. Now I'm unlocking all the weapons and trying to max and learn them.
weary widget
Imo bosses feel different enough when using ||EM pact||
unique crescent
The bow might not be the best option
lyric vector
Bosses don't feel different at all really with that lol
rancid vapor
hmm perhaps this is the wrong channel. my apologies
frigid abyss
i was not screen recording but i was on the barge of death and i just yeeted one of the crystals into the lava 😭
didn't even know you could do that
alpine monolith
patroclus is such a run saver honestly
hexed shore
hydra changes at 2 and asterius at 3 i havent felt any other notable changes
maybe the number next to em is for which boss its changing?
distant night
||exterme measures||?
hexed shore
ye
distant night
it says in the describtion that it gives the bosses of the stage (and lower) some new moves/buffs
hexed shore
em3 asterius lowkey annoying though, i cant sneak behind him when he lunges thanks to shockwaves
and that stupid beyblade move
hexed shore
I was on spear so i could hit him from outside the range but it was still pretty annoying
distant night
theseus feels easier at least
hexed shore
i gave up before reaching theseus
distant night
with ||em3|| it's smarter to go for theseus first
hexed shore
wont asterius be chasing you though
i always want to go for theseus first but asterius constantly sticking to me is why he dies first
distant night
since he wont directly attack you at first stage and you gotta move with theseus around the whole map and asterius isnt fast enough for that
unless you have ||FO||?
hexed shore
i'll try it, i havent seen the em3 theseus yet
no im running only em
im still at low heat
zenith crown
So at the start of each run the pool of which gods you'll naturally encounter is rolled? Are these pools fixed? If so is there somewhere I can see them?
hexed shore
i havent seen the final fight
i only saw miniboss and thought wow this is going to be annoying
distant night
So at the start of each run the pool of which gods you'll naturally encounter is...
what do you mean with fixed pools?
oh yeah the miniboss fight is much more annoying because of the small amout of obstacles
hexed shore
then i lost to a bunch of exalted and realized my build was trash
distant night
which ||companion|| do you have?
zenith crown
What I mean is in a run when you find a boon room it's not an even chance to be any god. Is there a way to know which gods are likely / narrow it down based on who you've encountered already?
hexed shore
I dont think there's anything that makes any gods more likely to appear
except the keepsakes ofc
distant night
What I mean is in a run when you find a boon room it's not an even chance to be ...
nope, pure rng unless you talk about scripted mods/seeded runs/keepsake forcing
zenith crown
It's not pure rng. If it was you'd never get any builds going. Every boon room you find would be a different god.
sour vigil
@hexed shore Zag bow?
runic agate
whats a good boon for bow special
Is it's chiron then then it's zues
hexed shore
once you get 4 it keeps recurring them
i thought zeus was bad on chiron cause of cooldown
thick swallow
Yep
sour vigil
Hm, I think Ares might be the highest DPS for bow special.
thick swallow
Zeus won’t trigger on all your specials with Chiron
hexed shore
i was using ares but it doesnt feel super great ngl
distant night
It's not pure rng. If it was you'd never get any builds going. Every boon room y...
it is pure rng which gods you get in the beginning, you can force up to 4 gods for the 4 stages for your build but there is no "god pool", just 9 gods that all have an equal chance of appearing unless you forced them. and the gods you get in the beginning will continue coming, all in all it's 4-5 (maybe even 6) gods you can get per run
sour vigil
Yeah, trying Zeus special on Chiron was a disappointing realization.
zenith crown
You can stack hangover pretty quickly with it. Artemis is pretty good with it. I've found Zeus is fine to be honest.
distant night
dio special on chiron with aphro attack is just chefs kiss
hexed shore
i mean anything is fine with chiron
distant night
poseidon seems the only one lacking with his attack boons
hexed shore
also im not a fan of dio over demeter for chiron special
zenith crown
So if I see a boon room offered then that god is more likely to appear in the run again?
sour vigil
Yeah
distant night
also im not a fan of dio over demeter for chiron special
it does more damage with priviledged status
hexed shore
i tried poseidon on chiron and well like i said anything works
brisk trail
Been wondering something. Is Cerberus ever a boss?
sour vigil
I think there are 4 gods per run unless you introduce more with a keepsake. Correct?
hexed shore
isnt the flat damage on demeter much higher though
distant night
So if I see a boon room offered then that god is more likely to appear in the ru...
the god is then in the pool of gods that will be the only ones to appear in the run unless you force somebody new (and unless you look at hermes)
hushed pumice
Been wondering something. Is Cerberus ever a boss?
Not in the sense that you fight him
brisk trail
BTW, I haven't seen Hera in all of the runs. Where is she at?
hexed shore
i dont remember exactly but i thought demeter had the highest percentage boost after aphrodite
zenith crown
Right. So if I see for example Ares offered I know I have the option to pick up more of that boons so I could work towards, for example, hunting blades.
hushed pumice
Hera is a weapon aspect
distant night
BTW, I haven't seen Hera in all of the runs. Where is she at?
on olympus cursing zeuses next affair
hexed shore
how much damage is 8 stacks of hangover with priv status?
brisk trail
on olympus cursing zeuses next affair
Would be hilarious, if Hera was a boss, preventing Zagreus from ever entering in Olympus, same like to Hercules.
distant night
even with the higher flat damage the enemies will take from 25 - 50 damage without priviledged status every second
hushed pumice
Hangover is murderous with priv status
distant night
Would be hilarious, if Hera was a boss, preventing Zagreus from ever entering in...
well zag isnt anyhow related to zeus (even if he jokes about telling everybody that zag is) but well seeing the boss-wife that she seems to be looking at her aspect i'd love that
hushed pumice
If you can get low tolerance and curse of nausea, the dps is insane
brisk trail
I feel like you've not completed a run tanno
||I just reached Hades, yet didn't defeat him.||
hushed pumice
Even with just 1 of those duos it becomes ridiculous
distant night
EM15 = Hera curses you for existing
hexed shore
yep spoiler territory here
distant night
what is spoiler about thinking about hera
distant night
she aint part of the game other than her aspect
brisk trail
Too bad.
distant night
ikr
hexed shore
im not saying they've been spoiled yet, im saying if they stick around here they'll be spoiled
sour vigil
Yeah... I think we're supposed to use spoiler tags but it's hard to use them for everything...
distant night
this is not the #h1-story-discussion; we are bound to write spoilers in the spoiler tags
hexed shore
anyway i havent found nausea yet but curse of longing has been pretty good with hangover ngl
distant night
if you dont want to spoiler tag: go to #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat
else the mods and some of the spoiler enthusiast will roar
hexed shore
sure but also i dont see people spoilering credits or even first run clear content
in this chat
distant night
then you should tell them to spoiler tag
hexed shore
anyway im not trying to start an argument here, im just warning the new player that they might find spoilers in this chat
sour vigil
Whether or not they SHOULD be spoiled here, there is a good chance that they will.
hexed shore
^
sour vigil
By someone coming by to brag without checking the rules or the sidebar.
Only takes a split second.
distant night
they should and most are thinking of the new players enough to ||spoiler everything||
hexed shore
thats not how its been based on my experience but sure
distant night
ah yes, it cant be different
hexed shore
is it better to consider epic level boons for running math or common level?
hexed shore
thats work i just wanna check dio vs demeter
distant night
this game is best spreadsheet material
sour vigil
For real though I just love making spreadsheets
distant night
i wonder if hypnos likes spreadsheets like he likes ||lists||
hexed shore
make one for me Keepo
deft oyster
Hello, where do I report a bug/translate problem?
distant night
#hades-localization for translate issue, bug with f10/ #h1-tech-support
hexed shore
what does f10 do
distant night
send a bug report of something on the screen
on steam at least
idk about egs ;-;
tepid yacht
works on epic too
distant night
thanks litvac <3
tepid yacht
don’t believe there’s a switch equivalent though
distant night
yeah people said to use #h1-tech-support for that when on switch, maybe one day?
opaque juniper
what's up with it?
Sorry for the late reply, well i just feel it is confusing and does not help understand what is going on on the screen. It is very beautiful aesthetically dont get me wrong but i think it is not practical
distant night
idk how switch works
opaque juniper
Yea Myth, this one especially. But for me it is pretty much everything.
That is not red i should say
sour vigil
In the noclip documentary they even talk about how it's problematic.
It is pretty though.
hexed shore
lol yea i avoid poseidon and aphrodite trials in elysium like a plague
sour vigil
^
Aphro trial in Elysum was one of the few times I felt the game was difficult in a frustrating, rather than challenging, way.
opaque juniper
And i think something that makes it a higger problem is that enemies attacks are not consistent. Until Elysium enemies just have 1 attack while in the Elysium they can multiple different attacks. Thefore even if you instinctively know that an enemy is somewhere there you can not avois his attack like tou would do in ashprodel or tartarus because you dont know what to expect
sour vigil
Good point.
opaque juniper
Like most of the times in ashrodel i avoid projectiles without even seeing the enemies shooting them, because by now i have learned their patterns and "reload" times
Again instinctively
sour vigil
And champion projectiles pass through barriers.
hexed shore
I mean i dont think thats an elysium issue
though i agree that brightswords sneaking their projectiles onto me is an elysium issue
opaque juniper
And champion projectiles pass through barriers.
Yes this is shenanigans too
sour vigil
I mean, you literally can't see them at times, depending on the angle.
Unless you see the windup animation
hexed shore
oh the bowmen projectile is almost invisible
sour vigil
Wait, is it not invisible?
opaque juniper
oh the bowmen projectile is almost invisible
Well i think this is not supposed to be dodged rather hide before he starts shooting
opaque juniper
Though i should say it one of the enemies i feel there is no real strategy to counter him
distant night
elysium has the best audio help tho, the bowmen are loud when they are about to shoot you, the witches also "yeah!" when shooting their balls
hexed shore
I mean ideally i run upto him and stunlock him before he starts shooting but thats not how it always plays out
opaque juniper
it can be dodged or deflected
Indeed but i dont count on that
hexed shore
the bowmen have a icon on zag before they shoot
sour vigil
elysium has the best audio help tho, the bowmen are loud when they are about to ...
Phrasing...
hexed shore
the problem is i dont know where the projectile is coming from so i dont know when to time my dodge
distant night
you can hear it...
opaque juniper
I mean ideally i run upto him and stunlock him before he starts shooting but tha...
What if they are many with shields?
distant night
i hate that sgg made the game so reliant on stereo sounds but you still hear from which side it's coming
hexed shore
so if i dodge into it im going to eat it
sour vigil
Audio cues are great but relying on them isn't. I've found it's difficult to play this game without headphones.
hexed shore
shield guys are annoying but you can usually just bait them and backstab them to death
distant night
or just dont do the prometheus way of running away from it and just dodge to the side
hexed shore
or if you have dio or ares cast then delete them without even baiting them
trippy shot ruins shield bois
opaque juniper
Shield guys are fine i think
hexed shore
yea shield guys can be tricky but they're not really annoying or anything
once you learn how to beat them its only a matter of baiting and attacking
opaque juniper
They are pretty straitforward and predictable in the good way
distant night
on higher ||heat|| they suck so much
hexed shore
I can imagine overtime not working very well with shield
opaque juniper
Sure they are hard but i cant call them "unfair"
hexed shore
lol stupid spears, i always misjudge their range
dude is poking me while im charging up my arrow thinking ha i have the range advantage
distant night
stunstunstun the spears, run away and dodge
opaque juniper
Never do FO it is like playing the game agaiin for the first time
hexed shore
i always found running closer to spears works better
sour vigil
Never do FO it is like playing the game agaiin for the first time
That's precisely what makes it interesting.
distant night
well if you want to do high ||heat|| you gotta get used to ||FO|| some day
warped iron
or if u wanna sped
hexed shore
wow i wanted to avoid fo
distant night
afterwards it feels like playing the game on slowmotion
warped iron
it makes enemies spawn faster
sour vigil
spoilering FO but not ||heat|| xD
opaque juniper
Well i have done more than 36
hexed shore
ive done 5 🕶️
opaque juniper
That's precisely what makes it interesting.
It destroyes the learning curve
warped iron
hexed shore
I mean the game would be boring if what you learnt at the first run carried you all the way to 40 heat
i think its good that it forces you to relearn
i usually get bored with roguelikes once ive learnt how to deal with stuff
hades keeps me interested with ||pact||
sour vigil
Hades keeps me interested with the ||badong||.
distant night
i wish there were more prophecies that are about challenging yourself in a run
opaque juniper
I mean the game would be boring if what you learnt at the first run carried you ...
For me i had to just play again the game tons of times with it until i learn the new times. Just grinding, nothing more. While the rest just make it more challenging in a strategy way
hexed shore
Hades is the ideal ||dad bod||
frigid abyss
im SO BAD at the shield 😩
sour vigil
i wish there were more prophecies that are about challenging yourself in a run
I agree. Or like a "weekly challenge" thing with specific ||pacts|| and/or boons, with some reward for completing it.
hexed shore
just charge your bullrush when they attack
release when they finish attacking
congrats you've mastered the shield
opaque juniper
weekly would be fun
sour vigil
Let me tell you about a thing called the ||Zeus shield lightning circus fiesta||...
distant night
just charge your bullrush when they attack
gl with chaos aspect or ||fo|| for that strat
opaque juniper
Lol i never use the charge mechanic on the shield
distant night
chaos bull rush can forget to trigger after special
frigid abyss
||zeus lighting fiesta|| sounds good actually i think i just built it wrong
sour vigil
It's sooooo fun.
hexed shore
i never charged before using chaos, since chaos required me to rush is why i learnt to rush
opaque juniper
I was also cometely surprised they didnt put the reflect mechanic from Bastion's shield. That thing was soo satisfying
frigid abyss
time for another bow run 😩
sour vigil
But it really comes down to whether or not you get Double Strike.
hexed shore
i unlocked zeus aspect and ran straight to zeus
its hilarious
just walk around with your shield
frigid abyss
trying ||rama||
sour vigil
Dashing circles around the final boss while your shield follows you like a puppy
A puppy that's constantly exploding
opaque juniper
Dashing circles around the final boss while your shield follows you like a puppy
Haha been there
hexed shore
attacking is for losers
opaque juniper
By the way do you guys enjoy the rocket launcher weapon?
hexed shore
I wanna try zeus with impending doom and dire misfortune now
opaque juniper
I always though of it as a meme
sour vigil
It's not my favorite hammer but it's helpful for applying debuffs for priv status
hexed shore
btw how does ares aphro duo work?
distant night
sometimes it hits multiple times, sometimes it doesnt
hexed shore
so when it hits multiple times the total damage is less?
hexed shore
so first doom will the same damage as my original doom damage?
distant night
as it is on your doom aspect boon
sour vigil
Each subsequent hit is 50% of the previous hit. So it diminishes.
hexed shore
how does this work with dire misfortune?
if i keep attacking will the doom damage stay really high?
sour vigil
99% sure applying doom resets the ticks, so it will do 50% of whatever the doom stack is at when it ticks.
So if you applied weak, then 3 stacks of doom, it would do 50% of that total on the first tick, then 50% of that on the next, etc.. If you apply another stack of doom, it resets the 50% and works the same way. That's how I understand it.
distant night
time to find a god boon skelly courtyard mod to try all the strats
hexed shore
i thought the first tick was actual doom damage
and the next was 50%
since the duo says successive hit damage is 50%
so shouldnt attacking with say 120 doom on atk be like 120 first tick>60 second tick>attack to reset>120 first tick again
sour vigil
Hm, that is possible... the wording is slightly ambiguous.
warped iron
@distant night Codex Mod 😩
hexed shore
keys are useless after mirror and weapons right?
burnt breach
keys are useless after mirror and weapons right?
except to trade at the broker yeah
and refund your mirror
distant night
it also buys you some cosmetics but those are pretty much useless lol
pliant sparrow
they also give you one roll in game
frigid abyss
||what's the highest level for aspects||
pliant sparrow
5
frigid abyss
ty everyone
pliant sparrow
also u dont needa spoiler aspects
frigid abyss
some people do 😩
pliant sparrow
only the name of the hidden ones
hexed shore
Is divine dash essential for ME builds?
pliant sparrow
yah basically
rapid meteor
I cant seem to get my save file to appear on switch when i have cross save enabled
pliant sparrow
opaque nexus
well after 400 hours I finally have every aspect maxed lol
brisk trail
nice
waxen juniper
Is divine dash essential for ME builds?
Not necessary, but it makes ME far more efficient
waxen juniper
well after 400 hours I finally have every aspect maxed lol
Awesome!!
Still working on that
hexed shore
what weapon would you consider it not necessary on
waxen juniper
Well, fast specials aren't bad for proccing doom. So Spear seems decent for it
Bow maybe, but you need to be up close and personal
hexed shore
hmm i always felt spear special to be slow
waxen juniper
It's not really slow, it can just be a bit weak. So proccing doom is quite nice to replace the damage
hexed shore
ive played all but demeter aspect on gauntlets, i'll try it i suppose
which hammers are best with it
rocket i guess?
hexed shore
the adding dash stike to attack is prolly really good to charge it i suppose
if i do a special before its charged do i have to redo 12 attacks?
waxen juniper
It doesn't make much difference honestly. But if the dash strike deals extra damage, then dash upper for the special can be quite good
waxen juniper
if i do a special before its charged do i have to redo 12 attacks?
No
stark onyx
kinetic launcher and the kickflip hammer
hexed shore
is there any aspect that can use heavy knuckle effectively?
need it for the fated list but i also dont wanna ruin a run LUL
narrow pier
Any idea where to report a bug ?
stark onyx
#h1-tech-fixes probably
stark onyx
is there any aspect that can use heavy knuckle effectively?
what's it do again?
brisk trail
it's not that bad
hexed shore
kinetic launcher and the kickflip hammer
also those two seem to be incompatible according to wiki
frigid abyss
wait tisiphone handholder i love your name
stark onyx
demeter wants quick attack sequences and youre more vulnerable with ||gilgamesh|| so yeah
THANK U!! im gay for her
frigid abyss
she's very Good
hexed shore
zag aspect, guess im off to do another plume run
stark onyx
yeah!!! Need For Speed
hexed shore
more like cant touch this LUL
stark onyx
ERHGERHGHEURHGUEGJH
hexed shore
tposing on dad eating the full 3 hit combo
stark onyx
plume is so fun!!!
though i must ask seasoned high heat players if it's good @ high heat\
hexed shore
i got it up to only 60% but it was still so good
stark onyx
what's the zag aspect do?
hexed shore
i missed a lot of plume clears and my plume was only lv1
zag aspect at max level is 15%
waxen juniper
Great evasion is the dodge chance right?
hexed shore
yes
stark onyx
makes the zeus/aphrodite duo viable 
hexed shore
getting epic evasion form hermes, is it too much to ask
waxen juniper
Ooo, I had a heroic after party last night and it was amazing!
stark onyx
waxen juniper
I auto healed to 60% of my health every chamber :D
hexed shore
wait how do you even heroic it? rare crop?
hexed shore
i didnt know gods offered heroic boons unless they're replacing
waxen juniper
It's happened before, but it is quite rare
stark onyx
yeah!!
waxen juniper
But yeah, 60% after party is sick!
stark onyx
i'll be honest btw, rarity on attack matters on high heat and im sad that i have to rely on RNG
hexed shore
i wish there was some way to make higher rarity boons more consistent
waxen juniper
i wish there was some way to make higher rarity boons more consistent
The mirror
hexed shore
going for favor and pride both just feels bad
hexed shore
yea duo or leg can make or break builds so i concur
brisk trail
i don't think so, unless you're running something like ME
waxen juniper
I prefer to have a strong build so I can actually look forward to the duos+legendaries. Plus, with a reroll, they aren't that uncommon
brisk trail
most duos/legends help a lot, but they won't make or break
waxen juniper
Yep. They'll only stand out if the rest of your build is good
hexed shore
the cast ones seem pretty important
brisk trail
if your build needs a duo to function, yeah
waxen juniper
It's powerful, but not necessary. Blades are quite good on their own
stark onyx
i like blade rift dash
hexed shore
I mean if i had to choose i think higher chance of finding duo or leg seems better to me
like its a pretty significant boost to whatever youre doing already
waxen juniper
I mean if i had to choose i think higher chance of finding duo or leg seems bett...
I agree if you don't have the prophecy yet
hexed shore
like the aphro duos or ares duos
stark onyx
also a bit unrelated but i love how they forgot to exclude the double edge hammer from aspect of ||arthur|| when they tried to balance it because its a drug
hexed shore
man we need a bot that can bring up boons and upgrades
waxen juniper
That'd be nice
grim roost
I miss the old scroll racks behind hades in pre-release
low nexus
i think athena's call for the final fight is amazing
waxen juniper
Athena's call is a very good defensive option
low nexus
yeah
especially when you have the Daedalus hammer upgrade for spear that allows you to hit 3 times with dash attack but dash length
20%
waxen juniper
Dash strike for the spear is very strong
waxen juniper
Oh yeah. It sounds spicy
low nexus
thats one of the reasons i love spear
frigid abyss
i like her call when you can attack a lot very quickly
low nexus
NOO I MISSCLICKED MY Daedalus hammer upgrade
hexed shore
Hey man atleast you didn't purge the boon that was carrying you
frigid abyss
yesterday i had a very good build going until i accidentally bought the daedalus hammer upgrade instead of a pom
and then i immediately died
frigid abyss
one time it blessed me but yeah
hexed shore
Hermes in Styx tho, now that's something I love to see
waxen juniper
Anvil isn't bad. You just need to assess if the loss is worth it
hexed shore
I mean sometimes it just screws you over
It took away my better upgrade every time but never really screwed me over
waxen juniper
I mean sometimes it just screws you over
Don't take it in those situations then
hexed shore
But also now I'm very wary about it and never actually take it
Like it's not hard to be in a situation where one upgrade is good, not insane just good and the other isn't doing much
low nexus
what is the point of triple jab on spear
hexed shore
It's pretty quick
low nexus
i misclicked it for loong spear
winter harbor
So your aim is worse
hexed shore
If it's the one I'm thinking of
waxen juniper
Easy. It is nice for dealing with multiple enemies
winter harbor
Triple jab is clumsy
hexed shore
Is triple jab the three hit combo?
low nexus
no
hexed shore
O
waxen juniper
Triple jab is where you attack with 3 spears
rancid vapor
I think I found a bug
||https://i.imgur.com/e2dyJgb.png||
hexed shore
LUL
waxen juniper
I also think you can shotgun some enemies with it
waxen juniper
I said some, not all :p
low nexus
it would have to be giant
waxen juniper
I am referring to enemies with chunkier hitboxes. Like Chariots for instance
hexed shore
Like a huge snake or something
waxen juniper
Is the dash attack the same?
hexed shore
Triple dash attack to cover 180°
mighty rose
Hi I am new here where can I ask things about the game here?
rancid vapor
distant night
usually every channel is pretty ok but this one is getting abused
mighty rose
Thank you and things like if the game will come to ps4 where can I ask this?
rancid vapor
🤷
mighty rose
Oh OK no problem ^^ I was thinking buying it on the switch or maybe wait till it comes to ps4
low nexus
this one may contain spoilers
mighty rose
OK that's good to know thank you ^^
mighty rose
That's good to know I don't have the game yet because like I said I am not sure if I should wait for the ps4 version or buy it on switch
distant night
this channel shouldnt contain spoilers (evident from the description of it) but most dont care ;-;
mighty rose
Yeah I see your point
distant night
only #h1-story-discussion and #h1-builds-and-combat are really riddled with spoilers
low nexus
i honestly use spoilers to a complete minimum
waxen juniper
It's pretty hard not to talk about ||Demeter|| here. And heat doesn't mean anything if people don't know about it anyways. Everything else is handled pretty well
distant night
so make sure to probably mute them until you feel comfortable with your knowledge
distant night
It's pretty hard not to talk about ||Demeter|| here. And heat doesn't mean anyth...
yeah or not naming the last weapon aspects
mighty rose
OK I did mute it
waxen juniper
Yeah, we usually spoil that or say hidden aspect for weapon
mighty rose
I know the game is a rough like and that this typ of games can be played forever but how much content is there in hades?
low nexus
alot
low nexus
evene when you beat the game its still like 5% of content
mighty rose
O. O ok that's a Damm lot
waxen juniper
Yeah. Although it is starting to slow down, I am still getting chunks of new dialogue here and there. Even after I got the true ending
distant night
well it also depends on how good you are at roguelikes/lites
rancid vapor
From what I see, this game rewards you in different ways. Usually dialogue happens more often if you die often (by nature of visiting your home often). So even if you get done in by the heat, at least you can progress the story.
distant night
like you can get the "true ending" in 10-100h
low nexus
if you game
distant night
if you not game 150h true
also there is so much secret dialogue
but getting it is so flippin hard if you got a taste of it
low nexus
i like how artemis epic attack does more dmg than a Poseidon heroic
waxen juniper
Maxing out relationships has often been a really rewarding experience. :)
distant night
dont forget this game is mainly a visual novel house decorator and the running is just a mini game :)))))))
waxen juniper
i like how artemis epic attack does more dmg than a Poseidon heroic
Well, if the crit happens
mighty rose
Oh that sounds really promising thanks for all the information :)
distant night
have fun and may the gods grant you swift/safe runs
waxen juniper
Or very slow but strong runs
distant night
better? :o
waxen juniper
Better :)
distant night
:)
waxen juniper
Which is that
low nexus
poseidon
waxen juniper
-_- be more specific please
low nexus
ill send a picture at hadesvictrory boasting
waxen juniper
Is that the 400% damage when you send enemies into barriers?
low nexus
yeah
waxen juniper
Oh yeah. It is exceptional in Styx
low nexus
got an heroic one
waxen juniper
It isn't too overpowered, but it certainly shines in styx
low nexus
its also amazing if yu have posidons attack with it
waxen juniper
There are certainly benefits yeah
distant night
which weapon? :o
low nexus
any
waxen juniper
Banana is running spear rn
distant night
ahh
low nexus
welp time to fight theseus
waxen juniper
Go get em!
distant night
i was wondering which weapon you're using since most say poseidon on attack sucks
low nexus
it depends what build you have
distant night
have fun with the golden boi
waxen juniper
It is awful on rail, apart from hidden aspect
waxen juniper
It is quite strong
low nexus
honestly i have trouble on minotour more
waxen juniper
That's common. Theseus isn't bad, just a pain to avoid
waxen juniper
Theseus will likely kill you the first few runs though
waxen juniper
Noice!
distant night
gg :)
waxen juniper
Now onto Styx, which should be a cakewalk with typhoon's fury
waxen juniper
Ayy
molten depot
Hello!
low nexus
hi
molten depot
Does
Bloody Frenzy
stack?
Mean if I death defy 3 times in a room
do I get 3x % boost?
low nexus
hmm
molten depot
would be cool for hades fight
distant night
it doesnt
distant night
it's still nice for the 22%
low nexus
yeah
molten depot
waxen juniper
Blood Frenzy is very good with Stubborn Defiance
low nexus
855 dmg
waxen juniper
Tbh, a lot of things can be abused with stubborn defiance
distant night
stubborn defiance can be abused cause stubborn defiance
waxen juniper
But it's a high risk high reward kind of deal
brisk trail
sd gud me safe
waxen juniper
Stubborn roots sounds absolutely insane with Stubborn Defiance
distant night
sd sucks at making you feel safe in the end boss fight tho
waxen juniper
Yep. High risk high reward.
distant night
for late gamers just having one DD isnt even a risk
brisk trail
only recommended at high heat really
distant night
it just looks horrifying
waxen juniper
Benefits Package is something I have on almost every run. It's quite fun.
distant night
i once had such a good 32 ||heat|| run but then the boon i needed was in ||erebus|| and there was this ONE numbskull
distant night
i dont need onion i need artemis without forcing her ;-;
low nexus
i just realized what ||erebus|| is
hexed shore
honestly most of the times if youre build is working you wont even use one dd
but having three dds on backup just feels so much different
distant night
exactly
waxen juniper
Erebus gates are amazing!
hexed shore
why
distant night
even if you dont have end boss anxiety it just feels horrible when you get hit once by the endboss and just see the SD sigil glinting mocking you
hexed shore
i havent found a reason to go to gates yet
waxen juniper
Massive upside if you do it hitless
hexed shore
like they show up but why would i go for them
waxen juniper
i havent found a reason to go to gates yet
Perks double if you get it
distant night
they give extremely nice rewards
hexed shore
what
distant night
double perks
hexed shore
i got only one boon when i finished
distant night
200 obols, 50 hp double pom
low nexus
time to fight hades
distant night
the boons have a higher chance of getting rare/epic
waxen juniper
Yea. It is very worth!
hexed shore
its really nice that they dont have any traps
stark onyx
and if you fail you have more doors to pick between!
distant night
like with the more expensive boons in ||styx|| shop
hexed shore
100% of the time my butterfly fails because of the stupid spike trap
waxen juniper
That's a big upside too
low nexus
the more expensive it is the better the boons are
distant night
not necessarily better per se, just better rarity chances
waxen juniper
the more expensive it is the better the boons are
Didn't know that. Thanks for the info
distant night
and who doesnt like an epic boon those things be lookin sexy n stuff
hexed shore
how do you tell the difference between poms btw
distant night
yeah the 300 obol poms give 3 lvls, pretty nice
brisk trail
they shine differently i think?
hexed shore
like there doesnt seem to be a visual indicator except for the pom slice
brisk trail
if im not tripping
distant night
the poms from hard chambers and ||erebus|| give double level
hexed shore
maybe im blind but i couldnt tell the difference at all
distant night
they dont look different, just the laurel/price is more "expensive"
hexed shore
also does anyone use the ||pact that removes your mirror upgrades|| first clear spoiler
distant night
yeah
hexed shore
really? I thought losing persuasion or higher rarity chance is p bad
distant night
it's fun if you like fresh files but want to keep your aspects
distant night
probably marketing strat
hexed shore
oh i thought it was just a lighting thing
distant night
so people are persuaded to buy that
hexed shore
lol
distant night
yeah like in the supermarket
stark onyx
@hexed shore you can also get your dice back if you get the contractor upgrade that gives you dice alongside keys
brisk trail
charon graduated from business school
stark onyx
so you can have some rolls
distant night
they shine red lights onto fruit to make it enticing
hexed shore
wait what
if i deactivate the perk ||using pact|| and get a dice i can still use it?
stark onyx
yes!
low nexus
beat em
stark onyx
you can get up to 4 per run, i believe. though I'd recommend saving them up for emergency
distant night
if i deactivate the perk ||using pact|| and get a dice i can still use it?
yes since it isnt bound to the mirror but a bought upgrade
stark onyx
i mostly use them in late game to get duos i want/a kiss of styx
hexed shore
I use them early game to get the attacks and special i need on rare or epic
distant night
needing to use the dice early feels so shameful
stark onyx
re-rolling for rarity can be tricky
hexed shore
hey man im not taking drunken flourish
stark onyx
high risk yknow
distant night
but if aphro ont give me my attack tf am i supposed to do
i dont need her on my special, i like ares on it ffs
stark onyx
am i the only one who has a ton of trouble with getting aphro's attack?
brisk trail
wait, really? don't authority/persuasion determine the use for rerolls? so ri1 should deactivate that, no?
distant night
dash but no attack
stark onyx
I always get dying lament different league life affirmation as my first boons
hexed shore
I mean you dont always reroll for rarity