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chain shot on basically any weapon
by itself it's kinda meh
but with targeting/triple/cluster and at point blank range
my dream with the gun is I get flurry bomb and triple bomb
you can start deleting things
Goddangit thanatos always keeps running off after talking.
contains final boss spoiler: ||https://youtu.be/DCNKR3JmuGg?t=972||
time to go die to the boss
power of cluster rocket

That's what I kept saying "I hate bow!" as I got victory after victory with it.
's just how it happens.
I have more fun with the bow than the sword and spear combined tbh
Sword I like but am terrible with
and how I almost never use it
i hate spear the most
like the only death I've ever had to meg besides my first run was with it
The trick is to just try your best to pull off a run with whatever weapon has dark thirst currently so that you use all weapons, then also try a different aspect each time
the only reason I've used bow is because of the fact it was boosted
I feel like I have a better understanding of how all the weapons work now that I have 4-5 victories on each one. Still play favorites of course.
Ooof, hey on this current run I have encountered a predicament. Poseidon's offering me his Dio Duo where all future boons are purple or better, but also his legendary where knock-away gets an extra hit (and I have Sea Storm already for knock-away gets struck with lightning). I'm Almost done with Elysium so I'm thinking legendary?
that's p good
no one knows maybe except for SGG themselves.
but if you cleared in 8 runs, you are likely an outlier.
well that's also skewed
I mean reading people's reports in here
people who clear fast tend to talk about it more
True true
i hang out in the #h1-for-new-players a bit, and the number there seems to be in the 40-50 range
(i myself took 40 runs)
and if people post here, it means that they also play video game more often
so the real average is probably higher even
but probably only SGG knows, if they track that at all.
they might
the hardest thing in the game to me was ||Hades phase 1||
so far
only got it like
8 hours ago
how is your mirror doing?
Gotten everything done besides starting cash up until the 15? key break
ok. then yeah, the mirror takes a bit of effort to unlock all
I mean unlocking weapons
don't have fists or gun yet
or aspects either
aaaand third of the furies vanquished
got Muuuuuurdeeeeerr and then dominatrix
NIIICCEEEE
You still need epilogue
deleted it because idk how to put spoiler tags :/
congrats and gj
yeppo
I remember ||cerberus|| almost screwed me up on EM4
My reaction matched Zagreus'.
how do you unlock the last sword and rail aspects?
I was so spooked and I screamed ||leave the dog out of this! Don't cheat!||
i really like seeing the || family photo||
Ikr. It's so sweet
oh yea, definitely.
||"I can't believe he let me hold his spear!"||
also i think || meg pegged zag ||
Gilgaros
AH YES
And that a given @dawn fractal
No L, Gigaros
_>
anyone knows how to reset the run so that u get different boons?
i tried dying already :
just give up? I guess
Wha
I assume you've already got the other prerequisites if you have other aspects so just ||make sure you've spent at least 5 blood on that weapon then talk to Zeus a lot of Rail and talk to Nyx a lot for Sword.||
Die again. You must have gotten unlucky, death is supposed to reset the seed whereas "give up" will keep it.
oh nono not about unlocking weapons
just wanted the to use other boons
ah ok
thx mate
You can't
The first boon is locked until you die.
Or complete a run. So giving up won't help.
If you get it again, bad luck. Die again.
has anyone found any use for zagreus aspect for the rail? it feels like a total waste compared to others
still why use zags over hestia?
ammo, and I don't like reloading every few secs
Because Spreadfire on Hestia is a massive waste of a hammer?
Ok maybe not massive
But Spreadfire is not ideal on Hestia
hammer is random m8, and given that you cant reroll it, you can still benefit from it
Ok hyperbole
@rapid forum then the aspect gets canceled by delta chamber
Don't take it literally
Then don't pick Delta Chamber?
It seems like you are looking for reasons to hate Zag Rail lol
im looking for a way to make it worth the blood you put in
I already suggested a good build on Zag Rail soยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Otherwise Lightning Strike
To quote Amir in an interview, it's 5 blood, what do you expect?
other aspects of zagreus are noticably more powerful
I'm not sure if that's true.
eg both shield and bow are great
fist is defensive and sword gets used for speedruns
In what world is Zag Sword used for speedrun?
spear its kinda meh for my taste but its the only that focuses on the special
i ve seen ppl use it
and even so it comboes with hermes boons really good
So Zag Sword can get boons and Zag Rail must be viewed in a vacuum
Ok
Anyhow, Zag Sword is not exactly a speedrunning asepct.
My point is Zag Rail is great if you learn to use it. It doesn't need a "buff" or justification imo.
zags sword gives something unique , zags rail not so much, especially since it can be canceled by a hammer upgrade
If you disagree, then we just see things differently and leave it at that.
Mate antisynergies happens
I just checked zag rail is 4th place of Any Heat WR speedrun
fair enough, that is why i came here in the first place
Eris can get Hazard Bomb
so? you can dash to avoid the explosion dmg, thats not exactly antisynergy. the real antisynergy is hades aspect not being able to spin attack
Because Deadly Strike Hunter Dash Spreadfire is bonker.
anyhow i am gona give your tips a try
Gl!
thanks
I'm not lucky enough to get spreadfire on zag rail
idk
maybe flurry fire loves me a bit too much
Yeah. I would opt for Hunter Dash before Deadly Strike
Zag Rail locked to Deadly Strike and no Spreadfire can be rough
I wanna try Zag rail + Flurry Fire + Concentrated fire
maybe just maybe
I get spreadfire instead
:D
Lul
this is why i don't make builds revolving hammers
Sometimes sacrifice is needed.
Yeah fists at boss fights is rough.
But if you get the hang of it, it's really fun.
Try Lightning Strike next
Or maybe the Merciful End run
Eh. Early on I found the safest thing to do was just keep Asterius far from Theseus and focus him down, hiding behind pillars to avoid Theseus' spear toss. Then once Theseus was alone, bait a toss and watch as he turns his back afterwards every time.
NOW I just bunch them up and kill them at the same time with AoE or piercing attacks.
Hey so I started playing the game like a week ago and I love it
Also has Asterius always had an attack where he throws Theseus at you? I had literally never seen it until very recently.
Got to final boss once and my heart was going to explode
That's new with 1.0 I think
Did you make it?
never seen that
Nope lol
||BOI||
is draining cutter affected by LC?
in test branch no
Thought I killed him but suprised me
Yes for the test branch
Stubborn Defiance?
Indeed
this dude carrying all my runs
2 DD on the dominatrix fury
ugh
this is amazing for rooms
not so much for bosses
There is a later upgrade that makes fist chunks bosses.
But you are not there yet, sadly.
Like I said, you kinda need to i frame dash through bosses.
If you don't attack during your dash, it has more i frames right?
also with lightning strike I can't see s***
Lmao
ouch
Nice! What do you have left to 6x32?
Haha gl
i wanna skip and try higher heats but u don't get all the rewards in between ๐ฆ
Umm, so I'm a little confused. In the Temple, different rooms tick off temporary buffs from the pool of charon, and give encounter experience towards keepsake progress, but the feather keepsake doesn't treat the rooms as encounters? that's a little weird isn't it?
idk if any of the devs read this chat but im so thankful for the god mode option lmao. this is my first time playing a roguelike, i bought it bc one of my friends is obsessed, and i love it so much but im so bad at the actual game. usually with difficult games i just give up but i just turned on god mode and its gotten so much more enjoyable. just a really good feature im appreciating atm.
the devs are awesome ๐
oh u can do 20 heat 20x for 20 bounties?
assuming you start from no heat, yes
man i'm bad at explaining but basically there are 20 levels for bounties
and to get rewards, you have to do a heat that's equal to or higher than your current heat gauge level on the pact
so you don't have to do 1 to 20 one by one
if you did heat 1 then jumped to heat 32 for example, you'll get the bounties for heat 2
and so on
Sometimes I watch people playing Hades for the first time and they skip dialogues. It hurts.
bonk them
That's why I never watch people play shiet


Hades was not the main event tho
Found another cute little interaction
If you choose Poseidon's (or possibly any god's) keepsake in between levels, and you get Hermes boon first before his boon, Hermes tells you that he'll be coming right along, and Poseidon will comment on the delay when you eventually get to him.
guys is there like an update roadmap right now? heard there was another update coming
Nah the devs are taking a break after patching things for the big 1.0 update, so content is a maybe in 2021 (paraphrased)
1.0 was the guntlests one a few days ago?
1.0 was the games release
when was the game released?
in September I suppose unless you wanna get technical
oh early access i see
what's the difference between encounters and chambers?
encounters = chambers with enemies
chambers = just any rooms, like also fountains and patty/eurydice/sisyphus
i think?
so i stopped playing last night after i beat final boss. i was tired and drunk x D
now that I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed ( after a good nap) im ready to hit this thing, and im looking at pact of punishment, and im wondering which labour u guys think is best for a new player to try?
the enemies deal more dmg one
i also beated the game yesterday and i had that one on the next run and beated it to
it dosent change how u play
i was just reading through all them, that one, damage control ( give them 1 free hit) and tight deadline ( 9 min run) were my first picks.
i will try dmg thu, and like i read right away, heat is unique to weapons, so i will just start with the one, and start working my way to 3
Tight deadline is pretty easy since whatever time you have remaining gets added to the next section's time.
Are there any news on when cross platform saves are comming to hades for the switch?
Idk if anybody did this poll already but i'm interested in what yall think: ||After you get Orpheus back to his singing spirits - Which is your favorite song to come home to? https://www.strawpoll.me/38549225 ||
quick question about optional boss before final boss || Cerberus, i noticed you can hit him, and this is my 2nd time giving the sack, but is there a point a time where he will no longer accept the sack and i will have to fight him?||
i've beat the final boss about 10 times and ||he never tried anything||
||EM4||
the only time that i can think of where you ||kind of find cerberus in battle too is when you have Extreme Measures 4 active, Hades can summon Cerberus to attack you, but you cant hurt him||
hades just ||let me go past him, can I still beat him up and will i get anything out of it?||
10th time is a special time for the story to progress, gj!
Hey all, are there any official statements about plans for the game's future? Free dlc, paid dlc, etc? I would love to see ||Thanatos show up as a "god" giving boons personally.||
the only official line is in #announcements
ok i can't beat him up
there is no such thing as double bounties if i turn heat up too high right?
kk making sure, last run was actually easy, i actually beat heat 1 first go faster than i beat hades normal
If you beat Heat 1, and then go to Heat 3, you'll get rewards for Heat 2
im running different weapon.... so like i dont have heat 1 yet for sword. should i try 3 anyway?
oh nvm i understand what u said..... i get heat 2 rewards on 3 ( not 2 and 3) sorry misunderstood a sec.
thnx egg xD
can some one explain what a EM is
Extreme measures it buffs the bosses relative to how for you put it up
once you have beaten the game you get access to the pact of punishment to get more bounties (titan blood, diamonds, ambrosia ) and one of the options is to get "Extreme measures" which means the Bosses of the chosen stages gets significantly harder
you can get up to 10 heat maxing EM (EM1 = +1 heat; EM2 = +2 heat, EM3 = +3 heat, EM4 = +4 heat)
EM1=buffs furys EM2= buffs hydra EM3= buffs heroes EM4= buffs final boss
@tacit ember
dont forget that the bosses before get buffed too
so em2 = hydra and fury
em 3= fury, hydra and heroes
em 4= fury, hydra, heroes and final boss
^
ahha
its a pact of punishment thing
i havent played arount with it that much yet
also how do u get the hades rank in the server
i got another question, kind of about math and stacking... so for example, lets say i get a basic attack boon ( % increase on attack damage from any of the god boons) and then lets say i stack that with something like 200% damage on sword lunge +40% crit ( so this only affects the 3rd attack)
would these stack multiplicatively or linearly? for for example what i mean by that is lets say: my attack does 100 dmg, and it's increased by 100% that would be bring me to 200 a strike... here's where the question comes into play, on that 3rd strike, does it multiple the 200 by 200%? or my base damage by 200% the former would bring me to 300 on that 3rd lunge, while the latter would be 400.
go to bot commands @tacit ember
go to #bot-commands and do ?rank hades
look near the top of the channels
from my trials, it doesnt stack sadly
tried aphrodite with sword and it did feckall with the lunges
welcome to the hades team!
good to know. im just like on 3rd final boss run, so im trying to save my time testing, im still pretty new, much appreciated.
thats what we're here for :)
im sure that combo is still good, im wrecking with it. i was just wondering how the math checks...
tbf arthur sword already does i think 200 base damage with lunge, so it would be a lot if aphrodite's bonus would stack that up
damage % is additive
how do i send picturs
so like u cant just send pictures
no uyou can
also waht is a KBM
keyboard and mouse
so since i just started beating the game, my next question, since u bring up weapons, is regarding weapon upgrade strategy.... and i think this is gonna me a preference thing, so i immediately say, i like all of minus the bow hahah.... but in regards to upgrades, am i better off pumping like everything into my favourite weapon? or just doing a jack of all trades with my titan bloods?
why is it b
did i really do 8 heat for just this
why not kam
โน๏ธ
KAM
key board
you can only send screenshots in the tech and localisation support channels for better help, and victory boasting of course cause... boasting
what is pyre rank
Whatever is best for your playstyle, if you enjoy using only one weapon go for that
for ppl who like pyre
Pyre is another Supergiant game
I would focus on unlocking new aspects rather than upgrading existing ones for the time being
well since all of them max out after 5, just max your favorites from every weapon to make full use of the darker thirst
ahha'
I have every sword aspect maxed loool
and like barely any blood in other weapons
but I do have every aspect unlocked
i have zagreus aspect maxed in every weapon but rail since i usually only use its lucifer or eris...
I like sord
did they patch zeus attack with lucifer
is there any update on PC and Switch cross saves?
only the #hades-faq which says there is still no update
Man why haven't I used lambent plume + zagreus fist aspect maxed before
If I could do that AND get a Hermes dodge chance boon...
Been out of info for hades for about 5 months. are there any future updates planned? extensions to story acr?
arc*
no future updates planned for a while no
after the final release they're taking a bit of a break
Shame. Tbh i do hope there is going to be some DLC or new content down the line
Not sure if I should ask this here or in #h1-tech-support but when the game prompts me to press L1 to open the codex in relation to a character I just spoke to or a fish I caught for example, instead of displaying the correct thing it will very often show the diamond page or some other item that seems totally unrelated.
Is it doing that to you as well ?
Same
It has always done that for me. not sure why
I seems to often be the first entry in the category, or even always.
It might be just whatever last page you looked at. idk why it wouldn't pop up with the newest thing instead
yeah you gotta scroll down and look for it
Glad to know I'm not the only one, I guess it'll be fixed eventually then.
i just made it to asphodel in 06:06:666
Do you THAT weapon? ||lucifer rail||
i wish
oh he meant "are you using that weapon"
Smh
using the hades spear though, as close as it gets amirite
hence, as close as it gets
ok
Question Do the butterfly and feather magnifications stay even if I change them?
no
nop
have to keep them on
:,v
Omfg, the joke doesnt refer to that what so ever it's just based off of the fact of generally 666 is a devil number it didnt have to do with Greek mythology
i tried to make a connection between those two figures on the account that they're both ruling over hell
There's enough connection. Even the trailer for the game says "See you in HELL"
How do you get the green color in the name?
go to #bot-commands
thanks
and i just finished asphodel in 21:21.21
weird run
Question about the Thanksgiving GIF.
Is that giant onion animation like really rare or did they just make it for the GIF?
Because I've stood looking at the head chef shade for I dunno how long wondering that.
pretty sure they just made it for thanksgiving
duds
especially because its not perfect and things clip through the table
is the megara in the herkules movie the same meg as the meg in the game
can someone help me, i can't unlock any of the hidden aspects of my weapons outside of guan yu. I unlocked the guan yu one but can't get anymore
no
I believe there are requirements to meet to get them unlocked but after you meet those requirements...it's random on if you get the dialogue or not.
Requirements are pinned in #h1-story-discussion
Thanks
In general, invest 5 blood into a weapon then RNG your way to unlocking things
Because I have met the requirements to get the Shield aspect (the last one I need) and I still have yet to get the dialogue for it.
Time to visit Chaos a lot
Megaera comes from the myth of Erinyes, a separate thing from Meg in Hercules.
Which in hindsight in Greek myth and whatnot...is rather confusing.
There's just one letter apart from Fury Meg and Hercules Meg.
You clearly haven't heard of Zagreus. Did you know he may just be Dionysus?
Just like Dionysus!
For all the amazing work this game has done with it...
OOHHHHH ||so to unlock hidden aspects i need to unlock the swords hidden aspect first then invest titan blood?||
Friendly reminder that Greek myth is really weird af and messed up af too.
true
No the only hidden aspect you need to do first is spear 4
the spear?
You can do the others in any order
||guan||
Ye
Is splitting bolt or sea storm better?
ok
On eris
Splitting bolt
Nearly out of elysium
tbh ||guan|| sucks so hard i cant even play it
So idealy im aiming for boss dps
i hate using other weapons cause I'm so used to blocking any attacks with my shield it's gonna be a hassle
Spear hidden has much max hp loss

Spear 4 needs to be maxed to work and even then you need to be very careful
@brisk trail check the pins in #h1-story-discussion for hidden weapons, ||you don't need to buy the spear 4th aspect, jsut reveal it||
I managed my first attempt with Spear 4 with just one upgrade.
Then again, I was at low heat so...
Still sad my 32 streak was broken last night.
check the pins, it is written there
Check the wiki
oh
The dialogue needed to unlock it is random chance once you meet the requirements to get the dialogue.
Given the mountain of dialogue in this game you may have already met the requirements and didn't know it.
But at the same time dialogue RNG might not be in your favor atm.
varatha is the spear right?
Yes.
ok
Is there a way to play older updates of the game without resorting to Extreme Measures? I'm interested in seeing how balance and boons changed over time
Probably not.
Spear 4 dialog should be high priority tho, so it should pop up relatively soon after you get the requirements
Spear 4 last I checked should be the first 4th aspect to get.
I think it's relatively fixed when you get that upon meeting the requirement?
The rest of them...yeah, as stated above.
lol eris rail is actually so op i just went from 10->20->32 heat in 3 consecutive clears
Did you max eris?
yah this is maxed eris
i still gotta play like 10 more times to catch up on bounties tho
but hey, you got the last skelly prize
i didnt?
did u interact with it?
yah i talked with him
nothing
oh wait nvm lemme check again i just saw the wiki
interact with the prizes
ok gotcha i got them all now

so who's going to draw Hades as santa claus first?
u-u I am thinking
do it.
Please do
im getting screwed over by vermin
tip: r u n
Well, got back to playing Hades few days ago, with the new update
And I am trying other weapons, just to see how I'll deal with them, and boyo
Twin Fists is insane with Zeus' Attack and special
And deflecting these witchcraft balls of pain from wretches with Coronatcha bow special using Athena's special deflect soothes my soul
๐ฎ album!

pog
Thank you Greg very cool
if I ping greg to thank him for his word do I get ban?
yes

who told Darren Korb to be that talented
Darren Korb
me
@ancient nest Toast plzz
...
...
my waifu ate it all
who is your waifu
Greg
i see
very normal thing to say
Hold up, did Songs of SGG LE Edition really sell out within the first like 10 mins?

what the hell
wish we had a goal date for switch cross save :/
wow, sold out already
wow
It was put on sale a couple of months ago
sold out quickly, but it was not put on sale today
Iโm considering buying hades on steam. The only game Iโve played thatโs in a similar genre is binding of Isaac a few years ago. Whatโs the learning curve like? It seems like there are so many options and so much to learn
Ok, I have never played BOI, but I think I've seen NL play enough BOI to compare the two
Not a bad learning curve honestly. I bought it a few days ago and I've reached Theseus and Asterius within 6 hours of gameplay
It's preeeettty similar to League, so if you have experience with those controls, you should be good!
The synergies are more transparent, not as much item bloat, and yeah, the game rewards failure
Plus there's some metaprogression via the mirror and house contractor
There is a lot of options, but you can do whatever you want, and you will slowly not only get better at the game, but your character will also get more powerful in game
also you can upgrade your weapons permanently later on
yah lol first few runs i was trying to "kite" with bow since im an ashe main
My personal favourite is Aegis, and it's great for former Draven and Vel Koz mains lmao
Thanks for the feedback. Iโll probably buy it now. All the reviews Iโve read have been overwhelmingly positive
aegis is literally sivir
just use spotify
Late to the party. But I have played both Isaac and Hades extensively
I never liked playing Sivir so I just moved on to Draven aha
What's pretty similar to league?
this game
I used to main Ashe, and I see the appeal in Coronacht but it just doesn't click the same
huh
nice lol i tried draven once and could never catch any of his axes
I don't mind the art style of Isaac and I like synergies but Isaac looks too opaque for me
Except for roguelite elements, the combat feels different. You have a lot more control in Hades so you won't be RNG fked as much as in Isaac. But it is also harder to really "break" a run.
Hades has a lot of meta progression. Isaac doesn't.

Basically the learning curve for Hades is, imo, much lower (due to RNG control, meta progression).
Honestly Hades is my favourite game, even before I started playing
And you don't have item bloats. Most everything in Hades have its usage. Unlike certain stuff in Isaac (looking at you Plan C).
If you're still on the fence, definitely watch a few playthroughs to see how you like the story and visuals. That's usually how I decide whether or not I want to buy a game
I mean I'm already doing that xD.
I watched Northernlion play a few runs before getting Hades
the fact that the art style was pretty helped
I mean, I got it post-1.0, so some of NL's stuff was outdated by the time I got it, but it was enough to get the gist of it
Then I watch NL try it.
I bought it pre 1.0
god bless NL lol
too bad he's kinda bad at the game and doesn't want to make it a series
you can try RUINER, which is an inferior hades imo
if u looking for hades like games u should check out west of dead
game was insanely good but had some big issues hopefully theyve fixed em
NL is allergic to lore
it was part of gamepass too
Do we have any idea on ETA for cross save functionality?
what a day to peek in here and see hades and league comparison
They're working on it. that's all we know
Gotcha - Iโve been unplugged from the discourse and was wondering if there was any more news. Want to drag the progress over to PC for that res/frame rate.
laaaast i saw november was a possibility but obviously we're in december now, i can only imagine something may have come up and they're trying to ensure the process goes as smoothly as possible once it's finally ready
Ruiner is basically top-down DOOM
just saw the thanksgiving update in #announcements , is that for steam only? Does switch get any of the love?
Its not an update. just a gif
yeah there are no holiday updates, it was just a "hey hope you guys are having a good time here's a silly thing"
does that happen in game for some people?
no

it looked production ready tho
it's not in game friend, it's just something they did for fun
no it didnt lol. there was a bunch of cutting through tables and mistakes because its not going to be in the game anyway. just for fun
they did one last year with zag and thanatos chasing after a turkey
you know the animators can animate right
sound effects too
yes. they have those assets. they can do that at will without actually putting it in the game
if they are working on that kind of stuff, think they are working on a hades update?
should we be hype for upcoming developments?
or is 1.0 the final?
there's not really any thing coming besides fixes and stuff.
they did some balance changes and stuff, just check test branch
well that still doesn't entirely count out new stuff but just assume there won't be
so no new biome and weapon coming?
for the sake of not being disappointed
no
I'm only 20 clears in, and already wishing there was a little more than the acts 1-4 then hades dance
I doubt it, SG tends to finish games and move on to their next project
dead cells got a few updates, I was hoping this would be similar
This one being a bit unique in its repetitive nature
alright well I've played this game for over 300 hours and am not bored
i'm not bored yet, probably because I haven't unlocked everything yet
there's plenty of dialogue and story stuff that make up a huge chunk of content
hades was never striving to be a game that offered continued updates like other games of the genre
it was always aiming to be a narrative game first
the story and gameplay are tightly intertwined
But grinding for cosmetics is fun
I really want the ||woodland theme from the house contractor||
I also like ||stygian||, but I'm not done with my titan blood yet and won't be for a while
i love big chop
im still using infinity
buy woodland theme for $4.99
what's with the little logo above some of your boons when you've finished a run?
oh you can remove it and put it on other boons
if hades had microtranscations
still don't get what it's for
all the contractor stuff costs real money
hehe
the themes cost 10 bucks
whatever has the pin shows up on the screen
you can buy titan blood
to the right
30 titan blood for 50 bucks
yeah, so you can show off boons
By new Apollo boons for $19.99!
Owo

Meg, except her legs are bayonetta
You can't escape the underworld for 30 more minutes, pay $4.99 to skip the timer
i mean i dont mind paying for expansion dlc
Thank the gods that these are just jokes
I just wish this won't be the last roguelike SG makes
they are really good at them lol
I need to play more SG games now
I got a free copy of pyre
I'll try it
bastion is pretty good though if you wanna try that one!
haven't checked it out yet
transistor haven't played yet
I have heard real mixed stuff on transistor
the explanation for the redoes actually isn't that depressing compared to other roguelikes
you simply get to redo stuff because you're immortal
I've heard mixed opinions on Transistor and Pyre
well I got it for free so might as well play it
Free games are always nice
I have a bunch of games I just stopped playing and instead I play hades over and over and over and over
I have games that I haven't finished but are just not interested in right now
I'm just planning on getting the true ending in Hades
My opinions on the other games:
Bastion: The one with combat most like Hades, but the game is very linear and kind of shallow IMO. Not much reason to come back once it's done
Transistor: A weird system of combing moves together to make other moves + programming your turn makes the combat feel meesy. The story is kind of muddled, and again does not really encourage replay.
Pyre: A great modular story with a fun sports-like gameplay, but the game actually wears out it's welcome, and should've ended about halfway through it's actual runtime. The design of the game actually encourages a replay however.
Yeah that's about what I heard of them
Still want to try them out for myself at least
I would say that Bastion isn't very interesting, Transistor is very.... indie game. like it's trying to do too much novelty but the core appeal is lacking somewhat
Pyre is a highly interesting game though, more interesting than Hades.
I heard Pyre is basically a sports story mixed with VN
Yes but that undersells it
Basically that
the VN part of the game is modular based around your performance in the sports game
Pyre is very story-led and the story isn't great
Pyre's story is basically broken down into sports seasons
the first season is where 90 percent of the story happens
The story is pretty generic and boring IMO. Hell, there is a character who is just edgy because...she's edgy. That's it. That's her whole character arc
the issue is that they make you play many more seasons afterwords
I've only played Hades so I can onky say what I've heard of the others
So I was racing through the last seasons to see the end of the game
It overstayed it's welcome for me by a whole lot
Which character are you talking about?
She gets some good backstory with her sister
There's also a worm character that thinks he's a knight and is insufferable in his own way too
yeah I don't think I'd be interested lol
hey he was ok, but just like many other characters he's just not...interesting
why is pyre on your minds in the hades channel
cuz topics change
everything hades does good bastion kinda flops
it's not horrible, but the combat feels bad, the story feels alright instead of good and the characters are nowhere near hades level
you think SG will make another roguelike in the future
ello
my bet is yes since this is their best selling and most critically acclaimed game iirc
could be wrong
how would they theme it?
question, where do i get roles?
#bot-commands
Only this time itโs the chthonic gods helping you
Maybe set it as a war against the titans
what the
apollo
I am looking Respectfully
Apollo feels missing
They added his twin sister but not him for some reason
iirc when zag first meets artemis there's a little mention of apollo, though not by name
the only mention of apollo in game is a dialogue with orpheus
Hestia, I can accept being absent because she didnโt participate that often in family drama
Not enough Hades music on the new orchestral supergiant album sadly
I was hoping for some of the prog metal influenced tracks to show up
So after more than 80 hours in this game, Iโm still finding new and surprising things! ||I just had to do a boss fight against Charon, and was swiftly killed||! This game has more content than most games that have had multiple DLCs!
"Ok, in this run, I don't try to win, I just focus on gathering darkness" => "Uh, I was not aiming for it but this looks like a decent build" => "Aaaand it's a win"
hades is updating?
Yeah for me too, anyone know what it is
yes, patch notes in game
Hi there sweet people!
Can someone here tell me/guess approx how many boons there were in the day one of the early access version of the game?? I'm curious at how the game has evolved since day 1
I know the hydra was the final boss day 1
RIP Speedrunners now that Eris is nerfed
eh? where'd it go
is the new patch also coming to switch?
someone tell me they didn't nerf the sea storm requirements...
oh no, i should've done 32 eris beforehand
wait no just new post lol
No quote of the patch? 
is the switch not getting any of these patches?
nvm
they're probably gonna do one big update for switch
where does one submit feedback to eventually get a
patch notes entry?
no cloud save for switch still is a real bummer
โค๏ธ
i'd also like to know
looking forward to that wrong font fix
same
me 3
What is the spear thing Hermes is holding?
The patch update just dropped! Whats' the buff to abyssal blood now?
guessing switch cross saves are early next year then
the caduceus?
is it just me or is lernie's death explosion... extremely low-res, at least on switch?
still no fix on Theseus' shirt being the wrong way round on the art vs in game model xD
it's jarring tbh
i just want the first update on switch pls
Itโs low res for me on PC which is weird because everything else looks just fine
I havent been playing cus I've been waiting for the switch updates haha
really? i never noticed the res
they nerfed eris rail
it's been like two months
what even is the point of playing anymore
So switch updates will be less frequent
it can't be that long
oh no eris really is 4 seconds
4 seconds jeez
@cunning root YO HEY 
I still don't understand the point of nerfing stuff in a single player game
Are we allowed to ping Greg for official questions ? Or is that presumptive?
yes eris was overpowered who cares
meta
it's the only one that stood out while everything else was more or less balanced
looking at speedruns and high heat
oh hi matt
Just make speed runs be weapon specific
Speedruns are weapon specific but the leaderboard lists both time and weapon
And aspect
So all the top runs are just eris eris eris eris eris eris
They nerfed Poseidon dash
Now you need another main Poseidon boon for sea storm
the top runs were not eris what are you talking about lol
Version 1.0
Speedruns.com now has a high heat category! ,https://www.speedrun.com/hades/full_game
Can direct any missing runs to Krashercorr or Wriste13 on discord
*similar heat/weapon completions in descending order by time posted (youtube ...
most of the runs were bow.
The top speedrun times were all eris
or fists
That's high heat, which is a very differant ball game
look at speedrun.com
...wait it got nerfed for making the low heat too easy? low heat -is- too easy
Also nerfing because of speedrunners is among the worst behaviour a developer can have. Speedrunners are outliers
They're going to use the strongest weapon. It's going to happen.
balancing for speedrunning is a ridiculous notion. Something will be faster on average, by 1 minute or 10 seconds, there's no reason whatsoever to run anything else but the fastest
hey- just got a 400 mb update- is that- actually real or just my steam bugging out
^
seems pretty eris dominanted on speedruns.com but I don't know what specifically they're trying.
It wasn't just because of speedrunners 
Eris was the strongest aspect. And it needed adjustment

so what, people also always choose sword on kingdom hearts 1 speedruns guess you gotta change that too now right
If it's too strong for speedrunners, it's too strong for everyone else, who is becoming an amateur speedrunner playing this game
it got tested on test branch before going live
You have to unlock that aspect though so...I kinda assumed it's strength was part of the reward lol
you gotta unlock all aspects
I think the way they adjusted it was pretty fair. They didn't knock the damage but the effect duration, which forces you to more careful about your bombs to keep the effect active.
but who was it hurting by being overpowered
it's not like this is a multiplayer game
a 50% deduction is huge no matter how you look at it, ther
tbh I never use the rail gun just because I dont enjoy it even if eris was the strongest
also fair
The viability of other aspects being used. If one aspect is standout over the others people won't have incentive to try other aspects (assuming they don't care about dark/darker thirst)
i mean, you could say the same thing with everything else
they're constantly updating boons, etc to make them more balanced
whens the update coming to switch
I'd really rather they try to make underused things more interesting, than try to bring everything down. If the patches had a bit of both, that'd be nice
no ETA
but this patch for example, just has fun taken out, with zero inputs of new fun
what's better than it was before this patch? Nothing
part of the design behind this game was making it so that it wasnt easy
"Slightly increased priority of events in the subplot that unlocks Hypnos' Affinity Gauge"
BY THE GODS
Yeah the hypnos affinity thing
you have absolute control over how easy/hard the game is
I agree that the idea that your single player game needs to be "balanced" is a little silly
thank god i complained about that in bugs many times lmao
from walk in the park to literally impossible
if you're only enjoying yourself because you're winning with a specific aspect then thats not the way the game was designed to be
They did though, zag bow got a buff, so did achilles spear
But it's nice when things are balanced because it means that more options become more viable, and it lets them buff other things
are we on the same patch?
I don't know, aggy. If it's just eris I guess it's okay
I'm just worried speedruns will be all demeter now so they'll nerf that in a month
like the biggest "nerf" was to Eris
which is ridiculous
and that was because Eris was kinda overtuned
eris wasnt even nerfed imo
and then by next year every weapon will suck
just keep spamming special 
it's 8 seconds to 4 it's a big nerf lol
we have buffs for bow achilles and other keepsakes
I really don't think any of the asprcts rn are that far over the others
With the eris nerf
Speedrunners will adjust to the new eris. And it will still be a top aspect
That's all my worry is. If the only plan was to downtune eris and -nothing else-
Fair enough
did those changes make those desirable to you? Are you now excited to pick Zag bow?
But if it becomes a constant nerf everything being used it can get dangerous
at least u need to do a special combo to keep up the buff
The only nerf is that the duration of the buff is reduced from 8 seconds to 4 seconds, so you have to setup the buff twice as often now, which means what? taking a half a second to stand in an area twice as often? the damage isn't nerfed, just the time you're strong
Also to be clear I have no idea what masteredo is talking about
Zag bow isn't spoiler bow nor is it Chiron bow
They are careful about implementing nerfs/buffs.. that is why there is a test branch
the problem with it was never being bad, it was being boring
They take community feedback.
True enough.
even if it was strong, I wouldn't play it
But you get what I'm saying.
wait eris buff affected special itself?
yep that's what I men basically too.
thought the buff only buffed m1
duration reduction
doesnt it buff all damage
oh fair enough then
global yeah
played it wrong I guess
Speedrunners more like steverunners
i don't think eris rail nerf is that big a deal
lmaooo
It's not, it's not.
you're firing off the rail special often enough that you won't have much downtime anyways
its global dmg buff
That's all <3
YIKES dude
Same ๐ Something will be stronger. It will dominate the top of speedruns. Going after that all the time is weird..
i don't see the issue
eris was overtuned
i don't see anywhere in the patch notes where SG said speedruns were the motivation for the nerf
They don't nerf it because of speedrun specifically though
Correlation doesn't mean causation
^ just that
Just reading up some replies. It appears that they are just upset their favorite aspect got nerf. In a sea of buffs, they honed into one specific nerf to Eris (if that, Eris is still 75% bonus damage lol) and cry foul. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Same thing happened at 1.0 with chaos shield (though it was a larger nerf)
except I explained my reasoning but alright, sure
thanks for generalizing based on a conversation you weren't a partof fox
I don't either speedrun, or really play rail.. But since 1.0, you've really seen many relevant buffs? Things that change your decisions during a run, or choosing what to play? I think fixing the hidden fist aspect is the most relevant I've seen
Not you mate. Masterdo.
Ah yeah like i said he's ott
And I did reply to him so I was part of the convo.
Things that change your decisions during a run, or choosing what to play?
To start, Zag Bow will likely see the sunlight.
Already happening (in test branch), people using new Shackle for really high heat runs.
Boonless runs are now at 50(!) heat partly thanks to new Shackle.
The new change to Draining Cutter will likely make people experiment it more because it now adds a new venue to heal with LC4.
Skull Earrings activated at higher threshold means you can now have proper SD + Earrings synergy (which was kinda "bugged" before).
I'm just saying, ina single player game that hit 1.0 that has some outliers on the strong side, and also lots and lots of underwhelming options, I'd really rather they inject some spice into those latter, rather than number tweak the former
wdym inject spice
also lots and lots of underwhelming options
I am just confused. Did you read the patch notes?
that's what the buffs are
Many underwhelming options are getting buffed.
I played the patch notes, in test branch
You specifically mentioned the bow, now they get buffed.
does heat change the amount of darkness dropped by bosses?
How is that not injecting "spice"?
I don't understand, people are upset about... them bringing the weapons in line with each other?
No, sadly
@brisk trail it doesn't
are you really truly more excited to play zag bow now though? Achiles spear was already the strongest aspect spear has, and the changes are similar imo to the hidden fist aspect changes lately, focusin on making it less clunnky, less input weirdness, and it's really nice for sure. Zag bow is.. still zag bow I guess. I literally roll a dice to choose the Dark Thrist weapon aspect most of the time, I'm not anymore happy when it hits 1 :p
what update?
are you really truly more excited to play zag bow now though?
Even if I say yes, you wouldn't believe so...
Anyhow, fwiw, I did test a decent amount of Zag Bow Shackle runs.
If you look into the #test-branch-discussion, you can see me commenting on how the new bow feels great.
Even a bit of joke about how sad it was bow was briefly reduced to 15% crit. yada yada. There is proof that I was excited about the new bow change. Take that how you will.
But I think your point is that in general, would people be more excited to play zag bow? Idk. I don't have the data.
But if Eris at 60% was slept on and 75% was suddenly top tier, I'll stand by my zag bow optimism.
Yes, in general people will be more excited to play zag bow.
Just some balance changes. You can check in #hades-patch-notes
is anyone else having a problem where it just tries to load save games forever on the new update?
i'm excited to play bow
same
Abyssal blood only got a 1%/5% total increase in effectiveness ๐ฆ
Oh I believe you for sure! That's cool. I just wish there'd be more focus on that side.. like, for fun go to the archive and check your 10-20 least picked boons, search for them on patch notes.. it's pretty barren.
50% more damage will still be better than 30% reduced speed and damage I feel like
Actually fox, now you mentioned shackle zag bow I'm tempted to go for a boonless zag bow run later this week :3
but then you cant get even more crit!
it's great. I still need twin'triple shot crutch though
I'll probably need it too tbh ๐
I did read some comments of yours in the #test-branch-discussion. The UI suggestion is valid.
So after 33.5 hours of playing Hades, Malwarebytes suddenly decides its randsomware and quarantines it in the middle of gameplay? Lol
Too bad the devs didn't have the resources to go through it.
Obviously it was taking away your time playing the game.
patch seems minor. also don't like "nerfs"
no idea where to ask about this so i'm hoping this is ok, but i have a server-related question re: the hades patch notes announcement channel--i'm following the channel in a side server i have dedicated to hades, and none of the patch notes ever get pushed through... is this on purpose?
I honestly really don't feel that strongly about it. Still my favorite roguelike in years, I'm still sinking waayyy too many hours into it and will continue to do so. This one update with the keepsake change and to a lesser degree the rail change doesn't seem balanced by exciting new options. Maybe the next one will :p
Is the patch not out yet on Epic games store?
should be
hmm, let's see if I can make it check for updates somehow
Really not sure whether this is the right channel/place to ask, but do we know anything about when they plan to add the last few updates of the PC to the switch? They have been saying "at a later date". Can we still expect to see the update this year?





