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manic bobcat
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Cluster Rocket

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Triple Point Blank

jaunty vapor
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chain shot on basically any weapon

manic bobcat
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Double Edge Shadow Slash

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some of my favorite combinations

feral urchin
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ima be real

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I used the rocket bombs once.

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it just don't feel right

manic bobcat
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by itself it's kinda meh

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but with targeting/triple/cluster and at point blank range

feral urchin
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my dream with the gun is I get flurry bomb and triple bomb

manic bobcat
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you can start deleting things

brisk trail
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Goddangit thanatos always keeps running off after talking.

feral urchin
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become unstoppable

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wait it's not flurry bomb

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cluster bomb

manic bobcat
jaunty vapor
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time to go die to the boss

manic bobcat
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power of cluster rocket

jaunty vapor
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0 DD and a dream

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god i hate bow

feral urchin
silver kestrel
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That's what I kept saying "I hate bow!" as I got victory after victory with it.

jaunty vapor
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Literally

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same

silver kestrel
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's just how it happens.

jaunty vapor
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it's not really that fun

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but it's really effective

feral urchin
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I have more fun with the bow than the sword and spear combined tbh

jaunty vapor
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Spear is my favorite

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and the one weapon I've won a run with

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so far

feral urchin
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sword feels harder to win with

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but probably just me

jaunty vapor
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Sword I like but am terrible with

feral urchin
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and how I almost never use it

carmine ravine
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i hate spear the most

jaunty vapor
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like the only death I've ever had to meg besides my first run was with it

silver kestrel
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The trick is to just try your best to pull off a run with whatever weapon has dark thirst currently so that you use all weapons, then also try a different aspect each time

jaunty vapor
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the only reason I've used bow is because of the fact it was boosted

silver kestrel
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I feel like I have a better understanding of how all the weapons work now that I have 4-5 victories on each one. Still play favorites of course.

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Ooof, hey on this current run I have encountered a predicament. Poseidon's offering me his Dio Duo where all future boons are purple or better, but also his legendary where knock-away gets an extra hit (and I have Sea Storm already for knock-away gets struck with lightning). I'm Almost done with Elysium so I'm thinking legendary?

jaunty vapor
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I just realized

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I'm actually wrong

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I beat the boss on the 8th run

manic bobcat
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that's p good

jaunty vapor
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apparently so

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I don't know the average

manic bobcat
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no one knows maybe except for SGG themselves.

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but if you cleared in 8 runs, you are likely an outlier.

jaunty vapor
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from what I've seen

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it's in the 15-20 range

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yeah

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I first reached the boss on 5

manic bobcat
jaunty vapor
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I mean reading people's reports in here

manic bobcat
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people who clear fast tend to talk about it more

jaunty vapor
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True true

manic bobcat
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i hang out in the #h1-for-new-players a bit, and the number there seems to be in the 40-50 range

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(i myself took 40 runs)

jaunty vapor
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I'm what you'd call a big fan of roguelikes

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you could call me a

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rogueliker

manic bobcat
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and if people post here, it means that they also play video game more often

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so the real average is probably higher even

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but probably only SGG knows, if they track that at all.

jaunty vapor
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they might

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the hardest thing in the game to me was ||Hades phase 1||

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so far

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only got it like

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8 hours ago

manic bobcat
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crank up the heat

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go for a wild ride

jaunty vapor
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turned on time limit

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I'm going steadily

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as I unlock stuff

manic bobcat
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how is your mirror doing?

jaunty vapor
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Gotten everything done besides starting cash up until the 15? key break

manic bobcat
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ok. then yeah, the mirror takes a bit of effort to unlock all

jaunty vapor
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I mean unlocking weapons

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don't have fists or gun yet

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or aspects either

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aaaand third of the furies vanquished

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got Muuuuuurdeeeeerr and then dominatrix

dawn fractal
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YESSSS

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FINISHED THE GAME

manic bobcat
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NIIICCEEEE

jaunty vapor
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Pyog

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how many runs?

dawn fractal
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60ish >_<

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but finally got to the end credits

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it was beautiful ๐Ÿ˜‚

manic bobcat
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You still need epilogue

jaunty vapor
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spoiler that

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if you may

dawn fractal
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deleted it because idk how to put spoiler tags :/

jaunty vapor
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||

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||

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on either side of the message

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or select it and click spoiler

rapid forum
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congrats and gj

dawn fractal
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|| doggo is so cute ||

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oo thanks!

jaunty vapor
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yeppo

rapid forum
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I remember ||cerberus|| almost screwed me up on EM4

silver kestrel
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My reaction matched Zagreus'.

dawn fractal
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how do you unlock the last sword and rail aspects?

gleaming granite
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I was so spooked and I screamed ||leave the dog out of this! Don't cheat!||

dawn fractal
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i really like seeing the || family photo||

manic bobcat
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Ikr. It's so sweet

rapid forum
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oh yea, definitely.

gleaming granite
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||"I can't believe he let me hold his spear!"||

rapid forum
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I swear I forgot the name of his spear

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and he mentioned it on my last run ._.

dawn fractal
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also i think || meg pegged zag ||

manic bobcat
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Gilgaros

rapid forum
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AH YES

manic bobcat
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And that a given @dawn fractal

rapid forum
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pretty sure she does more than that

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:D

jaunty vapor
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I finally got Huge Catch

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only took me like

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7 runs after I got the fishing rod

silver kestrel
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No L, Gigaros

dawn fractal
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_>

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anyone knows how to reset the run so that u get different boons?

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i tried dying already :

rapid forum
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just give up? I guess

dawn fractal
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did't work

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:/

low trail
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Wha

rapid forum
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change keepsakes?

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on new run?

dawn fractal
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seems like theres some sort of seeding

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got the exact same boons as before lol

silver kestrel
silver kestrel
dawn fractal
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oh nono not about unlocking weapons

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just wanted the to use other boons

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ah ok

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thx mate

manic bobcat
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You can't

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The first boon is locked until you die.

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Or complete a run. So giving up won't help.

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If you get it again, bad luck. Die again.

opal turret
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has anyone found any use for zagreus aspect for the rail? it feels like a total waste compared to others

manic bobcat
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Hunter Dash Deadly Strike Spreadfire

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The old classic

opal turret
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still why use zags over hestia?

rapid forum
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ammo, and I don't like reloading every few secs

manic bobcat
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Because Spreadfire on Hestia is a massive waste of a hammer?

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Ok maybe not massive

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But Spreadfire is not ideal on Hestia

opal turret
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hammer is random m8, and given that you cant reroll it, you can still benefit from it

manic bobcat
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Ok hyperbole

opal turret
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@rapid forum then the aspect gets canceled by delta chamber

manic bobcat
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Don't take it literally

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Then don't pick Delta Chamber?

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It seems like you are looking for reasons to hate Zag Rail lol

opal turret
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im looking for a way to make it worth the blood you put in

manic bobcat
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I already suggested a good build on Zag Rail soยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

rapid forum
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flurry fire on zag rail is fun

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just go dakka dakka

manic bobcat
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Otherwise Lightning Strike

opal turret
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if it had some bonus attack speed it would be cool

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thats a fair view @rapid forum

dawn fractal
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guan yu spear + artemis special + chaos special

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just missing the hammer now

manic bobcat
opal turret
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other aspects of zagreus are noticably more powerful

manic bobcat
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I'm not sure if that's true.

opal turret
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eg both shield and bow are great

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fist is defensive and sword gets used for speedruns

manic bobcat
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In what world is Zag Sword used for speedrun?

opal turret
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spear its kinda meh for my taste but its the only that focuses on the special

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i ve seen ppl use it

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and even so it comboes with hermes boons really good

manic bobcat
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So Zag Sword can get boons and Zag Rail must be viewed in a vacuum

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Ok

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Anyhow, Zag Sword is not exactly a speedrunning asepct.

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My point is Zag Rail is great if you learn to use it. It doesn't need a "buff" or justification imo.

opal turret
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zags sword gives something unique , zags rail not so much, especially since it can be canceled by a hammer upgrade

manic bobcat
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If you disagree, then we just see things differently and leave it at that.

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Mate antisynergies happens

rapid forum
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I just checked zag rail is 4th place of Any Heat WR speedrun

opal turret
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fair enough, that is why i came here in the first place

manic bobcat
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Eris can get Hazard Bomb

opal turret
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so? you can dash to avoid the explosion dmg, thats not exactly antisynergy. the real antisynergy is hades aspect not being able to spin attack

manic bobcat
opal turret
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anyhow i am gona give your tips a try

manic bobcat
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Gl!

opal turret
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thanks

rapid forum
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I'm not lucky enough to get spreadfire on zag rail

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idk

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maybe flurry fire loves me a bit too much

manic bobcat
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Yeah. I would opt for Hunter Dash before Deadly Strike

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Zag Rail locked to Deadly Strike and no Spreadfire can be rough

rapid forum
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I wanna try Zag rail + Flurry Fire + Concentrated fire

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maybe just maybe

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I get spreadfire instead

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:D

manic bobcat
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Lul

rapid forum
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this is why i don't make builds revolving hammers

manic bobcat
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Sometimes sacrifice is needed.

jaunty vapor
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I'm gonna need to get used to Fists against heroes

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first death to them

manic bobcat
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Yeah fists at boss fights is rough.

jaunty vapor
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Does a lot but takes a lot

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however theseus is a pain

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due to the shield

manic bobcat
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But if you get the hang of it, it's really fun.

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Try Lightning Strike next

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Or maybe the Merciful End run

silver kestrel
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Eh. Early on I found the safest thing to do was just keep Asterius far from Theseus and focus him down, hiding behind pillars to avoid Theseus' spear toss. Then once Theseus was alone, bait a toss and watch as he turns his back afterwards every time.

NOW I just bunch them up and kill them at the same time with AoE or piercing attacks.

broken lotus
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Hey so I started playing the game like a week ago and I love it

silver kestrel
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Also has Asterius always had an attack where he throws Theseus at you? I had literally never seen it until very recently.

broken lotus
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Got to final boss once and my heart was going to explode

manic bobcat
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That's new with 1.0 I think

manic bobcat
carmine ravine
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never seen that

broken lotus
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Nope lol

silver kestrel
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||BOI||

brisk trail
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is draining cutter affected by LC?

manic bobcat
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Depends

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No for the live version

carmine ravine
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in test branch no

broken lotus
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Thought I killed him but suprised me

manic bobcat
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Yes for the test branch

brisk trail
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nice, thank you

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trying LC4 for the first time

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i hate it here

manic bobcat
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Stubborn Defiance?

brisk trail
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yup

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pat!!

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blessed

manic bobcat
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Indeed

brisk trail
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this dude carrying all my runs

jaunty vapor
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2 DD on the dominatrix fury

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ugh

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this is amazing for rooms

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not so much for bosses

manic bobcat
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There is a later upgrade that makes fist chunks bosses.

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But you are not there yet, sadly.

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Like I said, you kinda need to i frame dash through bosses.

jaunty vapor
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I'm tryin my best

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it's just timing is painful doing it like 40 times

silver kestrel
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If you don't attack during your dash, it has more i frames right?

manic bobcat
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Yeah

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If you input attack, you lose i frames

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Essentially

jaunty vapor
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also with lightning strike I can't see s***

manic bobcat
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Lmao

jaunty vapor
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is that an attack

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or mine

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gotttaaaa guess

brisk trail
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final boss time

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got no DDs from athena sadtime

jaunty vapor
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ouch

brisk trail
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32 fists done baybeee

manic bobcat
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Nice! What do you have left to 6x32?

brisk trail
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i've only got this and bow so far

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4 more and i can retire peacefully from this game KomaRageExtreme

manic bobcat
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Haha gl

jaunty vapor
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time for first ever fists boss

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this is going to be

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weird

dawn fractal
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i wanna skip and try higher heats but u don't get all the rewards in between ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

brisk trail
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nah, u still do

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you can do 20 heat 20 times for example

runic dew
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Umm, so I'm a little confused. In the Temple, different rooms tick off temporary buffs from the pool of charon, and give encounter experience towards keepsake progress, but the feather keepsake doesn't treat the rooms as encounters? that's a little weird isn't it?

slender cosmos
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idk if any of the devs read this chat but im so thankful for the god mode option lmao. this is my first time playing a roguelike, i bought it bc one of my friends is obsessed, and i love it so much but im so bad at the actual game. usually with difficult games i just give up but i just turned on god mode and its gotten so much more enjoyable. just a really good feature im appreciating atm.

dawn fractal
brisk trail
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assuming you start from no heat, yes

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man i'm bad at explaining but basically there are 20 levels for bounties

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and to get rewards, you have to do a heat that's equal to or higher than your current heat gauge level on the pact

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so you don't have to do 1 to 20 one by one

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if you did heat 1 then jumped to heat 32 for example, you'll get the bounties for heat 2

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and so on

dawn fractal
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OH

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OK

full nexus
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Sometimes I watch people playing Hades for the first time and they skip dialogues. It hurts.

brisk trail
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bonk them

sudden dock
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That's why I never watch people play shiet

brisk trail
full nexus
full nexus
fleet zephyr
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Found another cute little interaction
If you choose Poseidon's (or possibly any god's) keepsake in between levels, and you get Hermes boon first before his boon, Hermes tells you that he'll be coming right along, and Poseidon will comment on the delay when you eventually get to him.

fathom sinew
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guys is there like an update roadmap right now? heard there was another update coming

broken lotus
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Nah the devs are taking a break after patching things for the big 1.0 update, so content is a maybe in 2021 (paraphrased)

fathom sinew
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1.0 was the guntlests one a few days ago?

broken lotus
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1.0 was the games release

fathom sinew
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when was the game released?

broken lotus
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in September I suppose unless you wanna get technical

fathom sinew
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oh early access i see

woeful wigeon
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what's the difference between encounters and chambers?

distant night
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encounters = chambers with enemies
chambers = just any rooms, like also fountains and patty/eurydice/sisyphus
i think?

honest zephyr
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so i stopped playing last night after i beat final boss. i was tired and drunk x D

now that I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed ( after a good nap) im ready to hit this thing, and im looking at pact of punishment, and im wondering which labour u guys think is best for a new player to try?

fathom sinew
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the enemies deal more dmg one

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i also beated the game yesterday and i had that one on the next run and beated it to

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it dosent change how u play

honest zephyr
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i was just reading through all them, that one, damage control ( give them 1 free hit) and tight deadline ( 9 min run) were my first picks.

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i will try dmg thu, and like i read right away, heat is unique to weapons, so i will just start with the one, and start working my way to 3

dusky estuary
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Tight deadline is pretty easy since whatever time you have remaining gets added to the next section's time.

atomic shore
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Are there any news on when cross platform saves are comming to hades for the switch?

distant night
honest zephyr
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quick question about optional boss before final boss || Cerberus, i noticed you can hit him, and this is my 2nd time giving the sack, but is there a point a time where he will no longer accept the sack and i will have to fight him?||

royal moss
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i've beat the final boss about 10 times and ||he never tried anything||

distant night
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||EM4||

royal moss
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oh ok

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let me rewrite that

distant night
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the only time that i can think of where you ||kind of find cerberus in battle too is when you have Extreme Measures 4 active, Hades can summon Cerberus to attack you, but you cant hurt him||

royal moss
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hades just ||let me go past him, can I still beat him up and will i get anything out of it?||

tiny grove
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don't think so

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although tbf never actually tried

distant night
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10th time is a special time for the story to progress, gj!

torn geyser
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Hey all, are there any official statements about plans for the game's future? Free dlc, paid dlc, etc? I would love to see ||Thanatos show up as a "god" giving boons personally.||

royal moss
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ok i can't beat him up

honest zephyr
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there is no such thing as double bounties if i turn heat up too high right?

astral swift
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Nuop

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Heats are incremental

honest zephyr
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kk making sure, last run was actually easy, i actually beat heat 1 first go faster than i beat hades normal

astral swift
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If you beat Heat 1, and then go to Heat 3, you'll get rewards for Heat 2

honest zephyr
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im running different weapon.... so like i dont have heat 1 yet for sword. should i try 3 anyway?

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oh nvm i understand what u said..... i get heat 2 rewards on 3 ( not 2 and 3) sorry misunderstood a sec.

astral swift
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Heats are per weapon (so Heat 1 on Gun only goes up on the gun)

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Isss no biggie

honest zephyr
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thnx egg xD

tacit ember
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can some one explain what a EM is

runic agate
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Extreme measures it buffs the bosses relative to how for you put it up

distant night
# tacit ember can some one explain what a EM is

once you have beaten the game you get access to the pact of punishment to get more bounties (titan blood, diamonds, ambrosia ) and one of the options is to get "Extreme measures" which means the Bosses of the chosen stages gets significantly harder

you can get up to 10 heat maxing EM (EM1 = +1 heat; EM2 = +2 heat, EM3 = +3 heat, EM4 = +4 heat)

runic agate
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EM1=buffs furys EM2= buffs hydra EM3= buffs heroes EM4= buffs final boss

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@tacit ember

distant night
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dont forget that the bosses before get buffed too

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so em2 = hydra and fury
em 3= fury, hydra and heroes
em 4= fury, hydra, heroes and final boss

runic agate
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^

tacit ember
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ahha

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its a pact of punishment thing

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i havent played arount with it that much yet

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also how do u get the hades rank in the server

honest zephyr
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i got another question, kind of about math and stacking... so for example, lets say i get a basic attack boon ( % increase on attack damage from any of the god boons) and then lets say i stack that with something like 200% damage on sword lunge +40% crit ( so this only affects the 3rd attack)

would these stack multiplicatively or linearly? for for example what i mean by that is lets say: my attack does 100 dmg, and it's increased by 100% that would be bring me to 200 a strike... here's where the question comes into play, on that 3rd strike, does it multiple the 200 by 200%? or my base damage by 200% the former would bring me to 300 on that 3rd lunge, while the latter would be 400.

faint flume
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go to bot commands @tacit ember

distant night
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go to #bot-commands and do ?rank hades

feral urchin
distant night
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tried aphrodite with sword and it did feckall with the lunges

tacit ember
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hello i am rank now

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now

distant night
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welcome to the hades team!

honest zephyr
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good to know. im just like on 3rd final boss run, so im trying to save my time testing, im still pretty new, much appreciated.

distant night
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thats what we're here for :)

honest zephyr
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im sure that combo is still good, im wrecking with it. i was just wondering how the math checks...

distant night
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tbf arthur sword already does i think 200 base damage with lunge, so it would be a lot if aphrodite's bonus would stack that up

brisk trail
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damage % is additive

tacit ember
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how do i send picturs

astral swift
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You can send a link through imgur

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The pic will pop up automatically

tacit ember
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so like u cant just send pictures

feral urchin
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no uyou can

tacit ember
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also waht is a KBM

brisk trail
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keyboard and mouse

honest zephyr
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so since i just started beating the game, my next question, since u bring up weapons, is regarding weapon upgrade strategy.... and i think this is gonna me a preference thing, so i immediately say, i like all of minus the bow hahah.... but in regards to upgrades, am i better off pumping like everything into my favourite weapon? or just doing a jack of all trades with my titan bloods?

tacit ember
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why is it b

green maple
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did i really do 8 heat for just this

tacit ember
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why not kam

green maple
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โ˜น๏ธ

tacit ember
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KAM

brisk trail
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key board

tacit ember
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ahha

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yes

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then i am

distant night
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you can only send screenshots in the tech and localisation support channels for better help, and victory boasting of course cause... boasting

tacit ember
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what is pyre rank

astral swift
brisk trail
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for ppl who like pyre

astral swift
brisk trail
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I would focus on unlocking new aspects rather than upgrading existing ones for the time being

distant night
tacit ember
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ahha'

brisk trail
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I have every sword aspect maxed loool

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and like barely any blood in other weapons

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but I do have every aspect unlocked

distant night
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i have zagreus aspect maxed in every weapon but rail since i usually only use its lucifer or eris...

brisk trail
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I like sord

distant night
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i love spear but i think they nerfed achilles

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it feels different :c

tacit ember
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did they patch zeus attack with lucifer

thorn rapids
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is there any update on PC and Switch cross saves?

distant night
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only the #hades-faq which says there is still no update

thorn rapids
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gotcha

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thanks

red tiger
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Man why haven't I used lambent plume + zagreus fist aspect maxed before

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If I could do that AND get a Hermes dodge chance boon...

brisk trail
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Been out of info for hades for about 5 months. are there any future updates planned? extensions to story acr?

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arc*

red tiger
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no future updates planned for a while no

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after the final release they're taking a bit of a break

brisk trail
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Shame. Tbh i do hope there is going to be some DLC or new content down the line

opal pollen
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Not sure if I should ask this here or in #h1-tech-support but when the game prompts me to press L1 to open the codex in relation to a character I just spoke to or a fish I caught for example, instead of displaying the correct thing it will very often show the diamond page or some other item that seems totally unrelated.
Is it doing that to you as well ?

brisk trail
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Same

red tiger
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It has always done that for me. not sure why

opal pollen
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I seems to often be the first entry in the category, or even always.

red tiger
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It might be just whatever last page you looked at. idk why it wouldn't pop up with the newest thing instead

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yeah you gotta scroll down and look for it

opal pollen
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Glad to know I'm not the only one, I guess it'll be fixed eventually then.

trim otter
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i just made it to asphodel in 06:06:666

dusky estuary
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Do you THAT weapon? ||lucifer rail||

red tiger
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Not sure what you're trying to ask

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"do you that wepaon"

runic agate
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Bruh

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Look at the spoiler tag

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And you will get it

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@red tiger

red tiger
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I did

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is THAT an acronym or something

runic agate
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No

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Lucifer is a demon right? 666 demon number so it's a joke

trim otter
red tiger
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oh he meant "are you using that weapon"

runic agate
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Smh

trim otter
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using the hades spear though, as close as it gets amirite

red tiger
#

no.

#

there is nothing about 666 in greek mythology

trim otter
#

hence, as close as it gets

red tiger
#

ok

mortal juniper
#

Question Do the butterfly and feather magnifications stay even if I change them?

flat vapor
#

no

trim otter
#

nop

flat vapor
#

have to keep them on

mortal juniper
#

:,v

trim otter
#

ride or die

#

the feather is really fun to go until the end with, though

runic agate
red tiger
#

yes I know I'm saying there is no devil in greek mythology

#

cuz hades spear

trim otter
#

i tried to make a connection between those two figures on the account that they're both ruling over hell

dusky estuary
#

There's enough connection. Even the trailer for the game says "See you in HELL"

mortal juniper
#

How do you get the green color in the name?

trim otter
#

go to #bot-commands

mortal juniper
trim otter
#

weird run

silver bone
#

Question about the Thanksgiving GIF.

#

Is that giant onion animation like really rare or did they just make it for the GIF?

#

Because I've stood looking at the head chef shade for I dunno how long wondering that.

red tiger
#

pretty sure they just made it for thanksgiving

tacit ember
#

duds

red tiger
#

especially because its not perfect and things clip through the table

tacit ember
#

is the megara in the herkules movie the same meg as the meg in the game

stable mirage
#

can someone help me, i can't unlock any of the hidden aspects of my weapons outside of guan yu. I unlocked the guan yu one but can't get anymore

silver bone
#

I believe there are requirements to meet to get them unlocked but after you meet those requirements...it's random on if you get the dialogue or not.

unkempt sleet
#

In general, invest 5 blood into a weapon then RNG your way to unlocking things

silver bone
#

Because I have met the requirements to get the Shield aspect (the last one I need) and I still have yet to get the dialogue for it.

unkempt sleet
#

Time to visit Chaos a lot

manic bobcat
#

Megaera comes from the myth of Erinyes, a separate thing from Meg in Hercules.

silver bone
#

Which in hindsight in Greek myth and whatnot...is rather confusing.

#

There's just one letter apart from Fury Meg and Hercules Meg.

unkempt sleet
#

You clearly haven't heard of Zagreus. Did you know he may just be Dionysus?

silver bone
#

And possibly born from Zeus?

#

Greek myth is weird man.

unkempt sleet
#

Just like Dionysus!

silver bone
#

For all the amazing work this game has done with it...

brisk trail
#

OOHHHHH ||so to unlock hidden aspects i need to unlock the swords hidden aspect first then invest titan blood?||

silver bone
#

Friendly reminder that Greek myth is really weird af and messed up af too.

brisk trail
#

true

unkempt sleet
#

No the only hidden aspect you need to do first is spear 4

brisk trail
#

the spear?

unkempt sleet
#

You can do the others in any order

brisk trail
#

||guan||

unkempt sleet
#

Ye

pliant sparrow
#

Is splitting bolt or sea storm better?

brisk trail
#

ok

pliant sparrow
#

On eris

unkempt sleet
#

Splitting bolt

pliant sparrow
#

Nearly out of elysium

green maple
#

tbh ||guan|| sucks so hard i cant even play it

pliant sparrow
#

So idealy im aiming for boss dps

brisk trail
#

i hate using other weapons cause I'm so used to blocking any attacks with my shield it's gonna be a hassle

winter harbor
#

Spear hidden has much max hp loss

brisk trail
unkempt sleet
#

Spear 4 needs to be maxed to work and even then you need to be very careful

bronze ravine
#

@brisk trail check the pins in #h1-story-discussion for hidden weapons, ||you don't need to buy the spear 4th aspect, jsut reveal it||

silver bone
#

I managed my first attempt with Spear 4 with just one upgrade.

#

Then again, I was at low heat so...

#

Still sad my 32 streak was broken last night.

brisk trail
#

i reveal it by how?

#

just random chance?

bronze ravine
#

check the pins, it is written there

pliant sparrow
#

Check the wiki

brisk trail
#

oh

silver bone
#

The dialogue needed to unlock it is random chance once you meet the requirements to get the dialogue.

#

Given the mountain of dialogue in this game you may have already met the requirements and didn't know it.

#

But at the same time dialogue RNG might not be in your favor atm.

brisk trail
#

varatha is the spear right?

silver bone
#

Yes.

brisk trail
#

ok

sullen monolith
#

Is there a way to play older updates of the game without resorting to Extreme Measures? I'm interested in seeing how balance and boons changed over time

silver bone
#

Probably not.

unkempt sleet
#

Spear 4 dialog should be high priority tho, so it should pop up relatively soon after you get the requirements

silver bone
#

Spear 4 last I checked should be the first 4th aspect to get.

#

I think it's relatively fixed when you get that upon meeting the requirement?

#

The rest of them...yeah, as stated above.

pliant sparrow
#

lol eris rail is actually so op i just went from 10->20->32 heat in 3 consecutive clears

heavy fossil
#

Did you max eris?

pliant sparrow
#

yah this is maxed eris

#

i still gotta play like 10 more times to catch up on bounties tho

winter harbor
#

but hey, you got the last skelly prize

pliant sparrow
#

i didnt?

winter harbor
#

did u interact with it?

pliant sparrow
#

yah i talked with him

#

nothing

#

oh wait nvm lemme check again i just saw the wiki

bronze ravine
#

interact with the prizes

pliant sparrow
#

ok gotcha i got them all now

brisk trail
#

what?

#

i didn't even curse

#

oh it's probably the emote

heavy fossil
feral urchin
#

so who's going to draw Hades as santa claus first?

ripe herald
feral urchin
#

do it.

runic agate
#

Please do

lethal socket
#

im getting screwed over by vermin

feral urchin
#

tip: r u n

lavish comet
#

Well, got back to playing Hades few days ago, with the new update

#

And I am trying other weapons, just to see how I'll deal with them, and boyo

#

Twin Fists is insane with Zeus' Attack and special

#

And deflecting these witchcraft balls of pain from wretches with Coronatcha bow special using Athena's special deflect soothes my soul

crimson skiff
#

๐Ÿ˜ฎ album!

harsh epoch
feral urchin
#

pog

ancient nest
#

Thank you Greg very cool

feral urchin
#

good guy greg

ancient nest
#

if I ping greg to thank him for his word do I get ban?

feral urchin
#

yes

solar scarab
ocean kayak
#

who told Darren Korb to be that talented

feral urchin
#

Darren Korb

ancient nest
#

me

runic agate
#

@ancient nest Toast plzz

ancient nest
#

no

#

no toast

runic agate
#

...

ancient nest
#

...

runic agate
#

B-but

#

your nane is ping for toast.... How dont you have toast? cri

ancient nest
#

my waifu ate it all

feral urchin
#

who is your waifu

ancient nest
#

Greg

feral urchin
#

i see

astral laurel
#

very normal thing to say

manic bobcat
#

Hold up, did Songs of SGG LE Edition really sell out within the first like 10 mins?

heavy fossil
manic bobcat
#

what the hell

bitter nexus
#

wish we had a goal date for switch cross save :/

winter harbor
#

wow, sold out already

feral urchin
#

wow

karmic oasis
#

It was put on sale a couple of months ago

#

sold out quickly, but it was not put on sale today

vestal kestrel
#

Iโ€™m considering buying hades on steam. The only game Iโ€™ve played thatโ€™s in a similar genre is binding of Isaac a few years ago. Whatโ€™s the learning curve like? It seems like there are so many options and so much to learn

karmic oasis
#

Fear is for the weak

#

AKA, don't be afraid of learning

#

the game rewards failure

winter harbor
#

Ok, I have never played BOI, but I think I've seen NL play enough BOI to compare the two

covert cipher
#

Not a bad learning curve honestly. I bought it a few days ago and I've reached Theseus and Asterius within 6 hours of gameplay

#

It's preeeettty similar to League, so if you have experience with those controls, you should be good!

winter harbor
#

The synergies are more transparent, not as much item bloat, and yeah, the game rewards failure

#

Plus there's some metaprogression via the mirror and house contractor

karmic oasis
#

There is a lot of options, but you can do whatever you want, and you will slowly not only get better at the game, but your character will also get more powerful in game

winter harbor
#

also you can upgrade your weapons permanently later on

pliant sparrow
covert cipher
vestal kestrel
pliant sparrow
#

aegis is literally sivir

manic bobcat
covert cipher
#

I never liked playing Sivir so I just moved on to Draven aha

brisk trail
#

What's pretty similar to league?

pliant sparrow
#

this game

covert cipher
#

I used to main Ashe, and I see the appeal in Coronacht but it just doesn't click the same

brisk trail
#

huh

pliant sparrow
#

nice lol i tried draven once and could never catch any of his axes

winter harbor
#

I don't mind the art style of Isaac and I like synergies but Isaac looks too opaque for me

manic bobcat
#

Except for roguelite elements, the combat feels different. You have a lot more control in Hades so you won't be RNG fked as much as in Isaac. But it is also harder to really "break" a run.

#

Hades has a lot of meta progression. Isaac doesn't.

idle horizon
manic bobcat
#

Basically the learning curve for Hades is, imo, much lower (due to RNG control, meta progression).

covert cipher
#

Honestly Hades is my favourite game, even before I started playing

manic bobcat
#

And you don't have item bloats. Most everything in Hades have its usage. Unlike certain stuff in Isaac (looking at you Plan C).

covert cipher
#

If you're still on the fence, definitely watch a few playthroughs to see how you like the story and visuals. That's usually how I decide whether or not I want to buy a game

manic bobcat
winter harbor
#

I watched Northernlion play a few runs before getting Hades

#

the fact that the art style was pretty helped

manic bobcat
#

That's how I got Hades, too

#

I wanted a hack n slash Roguelite since forever.

winter harbor
#

I mean, I got it post-1.0, so some of NL's stuff was outdated by the time I got it, but it was enough to get the gist of it

manic bobcat
#

Then I watch NL try it.

#

I bought it pre 1.0

#

god bless NL lol

#

too bad he's kinda bad at the game and doesn't want to make it a series

covert cipher
#

Hades is god tier, that's all I have to say

#

(pun intended)

carmine ravine
manic bobcat
#

looks good. also eyeing curse of the dead gods

#

but that's for another day

fathom sinew
#

if u looking for hades like games u should check out west of dead

#

game was insanely good but had some big issues hopefully theyve fixed em

winter harbor
#

NL is allergic to lore

fathom sinew
#

it was part of gamepass too

brave cobalt
#

Do we have any idea on ETA for cross save functionality?

narrow hemlock
#

what a day to peek in here and see hades and league comparison

narrow hemlock
brave cobalt
#

Gotcha - Iโ€™ve been unplugged from the discourse and was wondering if there was any more news. Want to drag the progress over to PC for that res/frame rate.

narrow hemlock
#

laaaast i saw november was a possibility but obviously we're in december now, i can only imagine something may have come up and they're trying to ensure the process goes as smoothly as possible once it's finally ready

red tiger
#

Ruiner is basically top-down DOOM

brisk trail
#

just saw the thanksgiving update in #announcements , is that for steam only? Does switch get any of the love?

red tiger
#

Its not an update. just a gif

narrow hemlock
#

yeah there are no holiday updates, it was just a "hey hope you guys are having a good time here's a silly thing"

brisk trail
#

does that happen in game for some people?

narrow hemlock
#

no

heavy fossil
brisk trail
#

it looked production ready tho

narrow hemlock
#

it's not in game friend, it's just something they did for fun

red tiger
#

no it didnt lol. there was a bunch of cutting through tables and mistakes because its not going to be in the game anyway. just for fun

narrow hemlock
#

they did one last year with zag and thanatos chasing after a turkey

carmine ravine
#

you know the animators can animate right

brisk trail
#

sound effects too

narrow hemlock
#

yes. they have those assets. they can do that at will without actually putting it in the game

brisk trail
#

if they are working on that kind of stuff, think they are working on a hades update?

#

should we be hype for upcoming developments?

#

or is 1.0 the final?

narrow hemlock
#

there's not really any thing coming besides fixes and stuff.

carmine ravine
#

they did some balance changes and stuff, just check test branch

narrow hemlock
#

they already said they put everything they had into 1.0

#

as far as content goes

opaque nexus
#

well that still doesn't entirely count out new stuff but just assume there won't be

brisk trail
#

so no new biome and weapon coming?

opaque nexus
#

for the sake of not being disappointed

narrow hemlock
#

no

brisk trail
#

I'm only 20 clears in, and already wishing there was a little more than the acts 1-4 then hades dance

karmic oasis
#

I doubt it, SG tends to finish games and move on to their next project

brisk trail
#

dead cells got a few updates, I was hoping this would be similar

karmic oasis
#

This one being a bit unique in its repetitive nature

opaque nexus
#

alright well I've played this game for over 300 hours and am not bored

brisk trail
#

i'm not bored yet, probably because I haven't unlocked everything yet

opaque nexus
#

there's plenty of dialogue and story stuff that make up a huge chunk of content

narrow hemlock
#

hades was never striving to be a game that offered continued updates like other games of the genre

#

it was always aiming to be a narrative game first

#

the story and gameplay are tightly intertwined

winter harbor
#

But grinding for cosmetics is fun

#

I really want the ||woodland theme from the house contractor||

carmine ravine
#

at least they dont sell the cosmetics and themes

#

yes woodland nectars

winter harbor
#

I also like ||stygian||, but I'm not done with my titan blood yet and won't be for a while

trim otter
#

i love big chop

carmine ravine
#

im still using infinity

opaque nexus
#

buy woodland theme for $4.99

royal moss
#

what's with the little logo above some of your boons when you've finished a run?

#

oh you can remove it and put it on other boons

opaque nexus
#

if hades had microtranscations

royal moss
#

still don't get what it's for

opaque nexus
#

all the contractor stuff costs real money

royal moss
#

hehe

opaque nexus
#

the themes cost 10 bucks

brisk trail
opaque nexus
#

you can buy titan blood

brisk trail
#

to the right

royal moss
#

is that it?

#

ok

opaque nexus
#

30 titan blood for 50 bucks

brisk trail
#

yeah, so you can show off boons

primal stirrup
#

By new Apollo boons for $19.99!

runic agate
#

Owo

brisk trail
rose nexus
#

Meg, except her legs are bayonetta

opaque nexus
#

You can't escape the underworld for 30 more minutes, pay $4.99 to skip the timer

carmine ravine
#

i mean i dont mind paying for expansion dlc

primal stirrup
#

Thank the gods that these are just jokes

opaque nexus
#

I just wish this won't be the last roguelike SG makes

#

they are really good at them lol

primal stirrup
#

I need to play more SG games now

opaque nexus
#

I got a free copy of pyre

primal stirrup
#

Sick

#

Is it good?

red tiger
#

not really

#

imo

opaque nexus
#

I'll try it

red tiger
#

bastion is pretty good though if you wanna try that one!

opaque nexus
#

haven't checked it out yet

red tiger
#

transistor haven't played yet

opaque nexus
#

I have heard real mixed stuff on transistor

winter harbor
#

the explanation for the redoes actually isn't that depressing compared to other roguelikes

#

you simply get to redo stuff because you're immortal

primal stirrup
#

I've heard mixed opinions on Transistor and Pyre

opaque nexus
#

well I got it for free so might as well play it

primal stirrup
#

Free games are always nice

opaque nexus
#

I have a bunch of games I just stopped playing and instead I play hades over and over and over and over

primal stirrup
#

I have games that I haven't finished but are just not interested in right now

#

I'm just planning on getting the true ending in Hades

wind nest
#

My opinions on the other games:
Bastion: The one with combat most like Hades, but the game is very linear and kind of shallow IMO. Not much reason to come back once it's done
Transistor: A weird system of combing moves together to make other moves + programming your turn makes the combat feel meesy. The story is kind of muddled, and again does not really encourage replay.
Pyre: A great modular story with a fun sports-like gameplay, but the game actually wears out it's welcome, and should've ended about halfway through it's actual runtime. The design of the game actually encourages a replay however.

primal stirrup
#

Yeah that's about what I heard of them

#

Still want to try them out for myself at least

wind nest
#

I would say that Bastion isn't very interesting, Transistor is very.... indie game. like it's trying to do too much novelty but the core appeal is lacking somewhat

#

Pyre is a highly interesting game though, more interesting than Hades.

winter harbor
#

I heard Pyre is basically a sports story mixed with VN

wind nest
#

Yes but that undersells it

primal stirrup
#

Basically that

wind nest
#

the VN part of the game is modular based around your performance in the sports game

red tiger
#

Pyre is very story-led and the story isn't great

wind nest
#

Pyre's story is basically broken down into sports seasons

#

the first season is where 90 percent of the story happens

red tiger
#

The story is pretty generic and boring IMO. Hell, there is a character who is just edgy because...she's edgy. That's it. That's her whole character arc

wind nest
#

the issue is that they make you play many more seasons afterwords

primal stirrup
#

I've only played Hades so I can onky say what I've heard of the others

wind nest
#

So I was racing through the last seasons to see the end of the game

#

It overstayed it's welcome for me by a whole lot

#

Which character are you talking about?

lethal socket
#

wa

#

e

#

e

red tiger
#

pamitha

#

she acts like an emo teenager

wind nest
#

She gets some good backstory with her sister

#

There's also a worm character that thinks he's a knight and is insufferable in his own way too

opaque nexus
#

yeah I don't think I'd be interested lol

red tiger
#

hey he was ok, but just like many other characters he's just not...interesting

distant night
#

why is pyre on your minds in the hades channel

real skiff
#

Bastion feels like Hades v0.1

#

like

red tiger
#

cuz topics change

real skiff
#

everything hades does good bastion kinda flops

#

it's not horrible, but the combat feels bad, the story feels alright instead of good and the characters are nowhere near hades level

opaque nexus
#

you think SG will make another roguelike in the future

brisk trail
#

ello

sand sonnet
#

Bastion is a great game

#

on its own merits

opaque nexus
#

my bet is yes since this is their best selling and most critically acclaimed game iirc

#

could be wrong

winter harbor
#

how would they theme it?

opaque nexus
#

I donโ€™t know

#

Whatever they want ig

brisk trail
#

question, where do i get roles?

opaque nexus
#

#bot-commands

brisk trail
#

ah yeah

#

need me a sequel set on Olympus

winter harbor
#

Only this time itโ€™s the chthonic gods helping you

#

Maybe set it as a war against the titans

burnt breach
feral urchin
#

what the

brisk trail
#

wat

#

oh

#

mod

#

helios?

burnt breach
#

apollo

covert cipher
#

I am looking Respectfully

winter harbor
#

Apollo feels missing

brisk trail
#

is helios even greek mythos

#

idk even

covert cipher
#

Helios is Greek mythos, yes

#

Just... older

winter harbor
#

They added his twin sister but not him for some reason

feral urchin
#

they mention him a few times i'm pretty sure

#

ingame

covert cipher
#

iirc when zag first meets artemis there's a little mention of apollo, though not by name

burnt breach
#

the only mention of apollo in game is a dialogue with orpheus

winter harbor
#

Hestia, I can accept being absent because she didnโ€™t participate that often in family drama

trail helm
#

Not enough Hades music on the new orchestral supergiant album sadly

#

I was hoping for some of the prog metal influenced tracks to show up

nocturne drum
#

So after more than 80 hours in this game, Iโ€™m still finding new and surprising things! ||I just had to do a boss fight against Charon, and was swiftly killed||! This game has more content than most games that have had multiple DLCs!

opal pollen
#

"Ok, in this run, I don't try to win, I just focus on gathering darkness" => "Uh, I was not aiming for it but this looks like a decent build" => "Aaaand it's a win"

lethal socket
#

hades is updating?

lucid heath
#

Yeah for me too, anyone know what it is

light mural
#

yes, patch notes in game

red tiger
#

oo is it?

#

inb4 "support for linux" or some bullcrap lol

knotty bramble
#

Hi there sweet people!
Can someone here tell me/guess approx how many boons there were in the day one of the early access version of the game?? I'm curious at how the game has evolved since day 1

past mist
#

I know the hydra was the final boss day 1

brisk trail
#

patch

#

yessir

wintry spindle
#

RIP Speedrunners now that Eris is nerfed

cyan skiff
#

eh? where'd it go

woeful wigeon
#

is the new patch also coming to switch?

red tiger
#

oooo I was wrong!

#

its quite a bit!

ocean kayak
#

someone tell me they didn't nerf the sea storm requirements...

brisk trail
#

oh no, i should've done 32 eris beforehand

cyan skiff
#

wait no just new post lol

vast shell
#

No quote of the patch? shadeshock

cerulean basin
#

is the switch not getting any of these patches?

vast shell
#

nvm

narrow hemlock
#

they're probably gonna do one big update for switch

broken sonnet
#

where does one submit feedback to eventually get a shadesmile patch notes entry?

opaque kernel
#

no cloud save for switch still is a real bummer

thorny cairn
#

โค๏ธ

quartz ivy
#

Anyone know what the change is for eris?

#

the duration i mean, what to what?

brisk trail
#

i'd also like to know

misty ruin
#

looking forward to that wrong font fix

quartz ivy
#

same

broken sonnet
#

me 3

brisk trail
#

What is the spear thing Hermes is holding?

wind nest
#

The patch update just dropped! Whats' the buff to abyssal blood now?

lean copper
#

guessing switch cross saves are early next year then

cerulean basin
#

the caduceus?

steep elm
#

is it just me or is lernie's death explosion... extremely low-res, at least on switch?

ashen spruce
#

still no fix on Theseus' shirt being the wrong way round on the art vs in game model xD

steep elm
#

it's jarring tbh

cunning root
#

i just want the first update on switch pls

crude onyx
#

Itโ€™s low res for me on PC which is weird because everything else looks just fine

cerulean basin
#

I havent been playing cus I've been waiting for the switch updates haha

brisk trail
#

really? i never noticed the res

crude onyx
#

Also console updates have a more lengthy certification process

#

Than steam

native sorrel
#

they nerfed eris rail

cunning root
#

it's been like two months

native sorrel
#

what even is the point of playing anymore

crude onyx
#

So switch updates will be less frequent

cunning root
#

it can't be that long

somber quest
#

oh no eris really is 4 seconds

quartz ivy
#

4 seconds jeez

red tiger
#

@cunning root YO HEY huggLUL

quartz ivy
#

I still don't understand the point of nerfing stuff in a single player game

brisk trail
#

Are we allowed to ping Greg for official questions ? Or is that presumptive?

quartz ivy
#

yes eris was overpowered who cares

brisk trail
#

meta

#

it's the only one that stood out while everything else was more or less balanced

#

looking at speedruns and high heat

cunning root
#

oh hi matt

brisk trail
#

Just make speed runs be weapon specific

native sorrel
#

nvm they just nerfed the dmg bonus duration

#

who cares i spam special anyways zaglol

crude onyx
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Speedruns are weapon specific but the leaderboard lists both time and weapon

granite ether
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And aspect

crude onyx
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So all the top runs are just eris eris eris eris eris eris

winter harbor
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They nerfed Poseidon dash

brisk trail
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rip

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my anti-styx dash

winter harbor
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Now you need another main Poseidon boon for sea storm

quartz ivy
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the top runs were not eris what are you talking about lol

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most of the runs were bow.

granite ether
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The top speedrun times were all eris

quartz ivy
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or fists

granite ether
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That's high heat, which is a very differant ball game

brisk trail
quartz ivy
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...wait it got nerfed for making the low heat too easy? low heat -is- too easy

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Also nerfing because of speedrunners is among the worst behaviour a developer can have. Speedrunners are outliers

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They're going to use the strongest weapon. It's going to happen.

old valve
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balancing for speedrunning is a ridiculous notion. Something will be faster on average, by 1 minute or 10 seconds, there's no reason whatsoever to run anything else but the fastest

untold escarp
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hey- just got a 400 mb update- is that- actually real or just my steam bugging out

quartz ivy
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^

wind nest
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seems pretty eris dominanted on speedruns.com but I don't know what specifically they're trying.

granite ether
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It wasn't just because of speedrunners klinkShrug
Eris was the strongest aspect. And it needed adjustment

brisk trail
quartz ivy
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so what, people also always choose sword on kingdom hearts 1 speedruns guess you gotta change that too now right

wind nest
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If it's too strong for speedrunners, it's too strong for everyone else, who is becoming an amateur speedrunner playing this game

brisk trail
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it got tested on test branch before going live

cerulean basin
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You have to unlock that aspect though so...I kinda assumed it's strength was part of the reward lol

quartz ivy
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Like I'm not even arguing it wasn't overpowered

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it absolutely was

brisk trail
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you gotta unlock all aspects

daring aurora
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I think the way they adjusted it was pretty fair. They didn't knock the damage but the effect duration, which forces you to more careful about your bombs to keep the effect active.

quartz ivy
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but who was it hurting by being overpowered

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it's not like this is a multiplayer game

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a 50% deduction is huge no matter how you look at it, ther

cerulean basin
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tbh I never use the rail gun just because I dont enjoy it even if eris was the strongest

quartz ivy
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also fair

granite ether
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The viability of other aspects being used. If one aspect is standout over the others people won't have incentive to try other aspects (assuming they don't care about dark/darker thirst)

brisk trail
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i mean, you could say the same thing with everything else

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they're constantly updating boons, etc to make them more balanced

native sorrel
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whens the update coming to switch

old valve
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I'd really rather they try to make underused things more interesting, than try to bring everything down. If the patches had a bit of both, that'd be nice

brisk trail
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no ETA

old valve
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but this patch for example, just has fun taken out, with zero inputs of new fun

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what's better than it was before this patch? Nothing

shell spade
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part of the design behind this game was making it so that it wasnt easy

carmine basin
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"Slightly increased priority of events in the subplot that unlocks Hypnos' Affinity Gauge"

BY THE GODS

quartz ivy
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Yeah the hypnos affinity thing

old valve
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you have absolute control over how easy/hard the game is

wind nest
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I agree that the idea that your single player game needs to be "balanced" is a little silly

quartz ivy
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thank god i complained about that in bugs many times lmao

old valve
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from walk in the park to literally impossible

shell spade
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if you're only enjoying yourself because you're winning with a specific aspect then thats not the way the game was designed to be

granite ether
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They did though, zag bow got a buff, so did achilles spear

wind nest
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But it's nice when things are balanced because it means that more options become more viable, and it lets them buff other things

quartz ivy
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I don't know, aggy. If it's just eris I guess it's okay

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I'm just worried speedruns will be all demeter now so they'll nerf that in a month

manic bobcat
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like the biggest "nerf" was to Eris

quartz ivy
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which is ridiculous

manic bobcat
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and that was because Eris was kinda overtuned

native sorrel
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eris wasnt even nerfed imo

quartz ivy
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and then by next year every weapon will suck

native sorrel
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just keep spamming special zaglol

quartz ivy
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it's 8 seconds to 4 it's a big nerf lol

manic bobcat
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we have buffs for bow achilles and other keepsakes

brisk trail
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I really don't think any of the asprcts rn are that far over the others

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With the eris nerf

granite ether
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Speedrunners will adjust to the new eris. And it will still be a top aspect

quartz ivy
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That's all my worry is. If the only plan was to downtune eris and -nothing else-

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Fair enough

old valve
quartz ivy
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But if it becomes a constant nerf everything being used it can get dangerous

carmine ravine
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at least u need to do a special combo to keep up the buff

wind nest
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The only nerf is that the duration of the buff is reduced from 8 seconds to 4 seconds, so you have to setup the buff twice as often now, which means what? taking a half a second to stand in an area twice as often? the damage isn't nerfed, just the time you're strong

quartz ivy
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Also to be clear I have no idea what masteredo is talking about

real skiff
brisk trail
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They are careful about implementing nerfs/buffs.. that is why there is a test branch

real skiff
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the problem with it was never being bad, it was being boring

brisk trail
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They take community feedback.

quartz ivy
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True enough.

real skiff
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even if it was strong, I wouldn't play it

quartz ivy
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But you get what I'm saying.

real skiff
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wait eris buff affected special itself?

old valve
real skiff
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thought the buff only buffed m1

brisk trail
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duration reduction

somber quest
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doesnt it buff all damage

real skiff
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oh fair enough then

brisk trail
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global yeah

real skiff
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played it wrong I guess

thorny cairn
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Speedrunners more like steverunners

raven lava
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i don't think eris rail nerf is that big a deal

thorny cairn
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lmaooo

quartz ivy
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It's not, it's not.

raven lava
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you're firing off the rail special often enough that you won't have much downtime anyways

quartz ivy
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I'm overreacting

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I'm just worried about the slippery slope

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lmao

carmine ravine
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its global dmg buff

quartz ivy
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That's all <3

thorny cairn
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YIKES dude

old valve
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Same ๐Ÿ™‚ Something will be stronger. It will dominate the top of speedruns. Going after that all the time is weird..

wide helm
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i don't see the issue

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eris was overtuned

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i don't see anywhere in the patch notes where SG said speedruns were the motivation for the nerf

manic bobcat
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Correlation doesn't mean causation

distant night
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^ just that

manic bobcat
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Just reading up some replies. It appears that they are just upset their favorite aspect got nerf. In a sea of buffs, they honed into one specific nerf to Eris (if that, Eris is still 75% bonus damage lol) and cry foul. ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

granite ether
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Same thing happened at 1.0 with chaos shield (though it was a larger nerf)

quartz ivy
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except I explained my reasoning but alright, sure

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thanks for generalizing based on a conversation you weren't a partof fox

old valve
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I don't either speedrun, or really play rail.. But since 1.0, you've really seen many relevant buffs? Things that change your decisions during a run, or choosing what to play? I think fixing the hidden fist aspect is the most relevant I've seen

manic bobcat
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Not you mate. Masterdo.

quartz ivy
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Ah yeah like i said he's ott

manic bobcat
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Things that change your decisions during a run, or choosing what to play?
To start, Zag Bow will likely see the sunlight.
Already happening (in test branch), people using new Shackle for really high heat runs.
Boonless runs are now at 50(!) heat partly thanks to new Shackle.
The new change to Draining Cutter will likely make people experiment it more because it now adds a new venue to heal with LC4.
Skull Earrings activated at higher threshold means you can now have proper SD + Earrings synergy (which was kinda "bugged" before).

old valve
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I'm just saying, ina single player game that hit 1.0 that has some outliers on the strong side, and also lots and lots of underwhelming options, I'd really rather they inject some spice into those latter, rather than number tweak the former

brisk trail
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wdym inject spice

manic bobcat
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also lots and lots of underwhelming options
I am just confused. Did you read the patch notes?

brisk trail
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that's what the buffs are

manic bobcat
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Many underwhelming options are getting buffed.

old valve
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I played the patch notes, in test branch

manic bobcat
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You specifically mentioned the bow, now they get buffed.

brisk trail
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does heat change the amount of darkness dropped by bosses?

manic bobcat
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How is that not injecting "spice"?

mint hawk
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I don't understand, people are upset about... them bringing the weapons in line with each other?

old valve
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@brisk trail it doesn't

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are you really truly more excited to play zag bow now though? Achiles spear was already the strongest aspect spear has, and the changes are similar imo to the hidden fist aspect changes lately, focusin on making it less clunnky, less input weirdness, and it's really nice for sure. Zag bow is.. still zag bow I guess. I literally roll a dice to choose the Dark Thrist weapon aspect most of the time, I'm not anymore happy when it hits 1 :p

knotty aurora
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wooooooooooooooooo

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UPDATE!

brisk trail
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what update?

manic bobcat
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are you really truly more excited to play zag bow now though?
Even if I say yes, you wouldn't believe so...
Anyhow, fwiw, I did test a decent amount of Zag Bow Shackle runs.
If you look into the #test-branch-discussion, you can see me commenting on how the new bow feels great.
Even a bit of joke about how sad it was bow was briefly reduced to 15% crit. yada yada. There is proof that I was excited about the new bow change. Take that how you will.

But I think your point is that in general, would people be more excited to play zag bow? Idk. I don't have the data.
But if Eris at 60% was slept on and 75% was suddenly top tier, I'll stand by my zag bow optimism.
Yes, in general people will be more excited to play zag bow.

manic bobcat
lucid folio
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is anyone else having a problem where it just tries to load save games forever on the new update?

knotty aurora
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i'm excited to play bow

somber quest
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same

wind nest
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Abyssal blood only got a 1%/5% total increase in effectiveness ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

old valve
opaque nexus
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rip over 300 speedruns

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doomed to the archives

wind nest
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50% more damage will still be better than 30% reduced speed and damage I feel like

granite ether
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Actually fox, now you mentioned shackle zag bow I'm tempted to go for a boonless zag bow run later this week :3

past coral
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but then you cant get even more crit!

manic bobcat
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it's great. I still need twin'triple shot crutch though

granite ether
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I'll probably need it too tbh ๐Ÿ˜‚

manic bobcat
torn geyser
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So after 33.5 hours of playing Hades, Malwarebytes suddenly decides its randsomware and quarantines it in the middle of gameplay? Lol

wind nest
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How much does chill reduce movement and attackspeed by?

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Does anybody know?

manic bobcat
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Too bad the devs didn't have the resources to go through it.

manic bobcat
brisk trail
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patch seems minor. also don't like "nerfs"

vagrant bay
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no idea where to ask about this so i'm hoping this is ok, but i have a server-related question re: the hades patch notes announcement channel--i'm following the channel in a side server i have dedicated to hades, and none of the patch notes ever get pushed through... is this on purpose?

old valve
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I honestly really don't feel that strongly about it. Still my favorite roguelike in years, I'm still sinking waayyy too many hours into it and will continue to do so. This one update with the keepsake change and to a lesser degree the rail change doesn't seem balanced by exciting new options. Maybe the next one will :p

real fox
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Is the patch not out yet on Epic games store?

pliant sparrow
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should be

real fox
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hmm, let's see if I can make it check for updates somehow

blissful stirrup
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Really not sure whether this is the right channel/place to ask, but do we know anything about when they plan to add the last few updates of the PC to the switch? They have been saying "at a later date". Can we still expect to see the update this year?