The zagreus one is bad tho
#h1-discussion
pliant sparrow
brisk trail
I got ||aspect of Zeus||, but is it bad?
real skiff
the zagreus bot is just very simple
pliant sparrow
Nah its still p decent
real edge
If you like the playstyle thats what matters
real skiff
like, not necessarily bad, but def boring
pliant sparrow
Can def go up in heat if ur good enough
real edge
Any aspect can work well if you know how to use it
real skiff
I got ||aspect of Zeus||, but is it bad?
you don't need to blur the non-hidden aspects
zeus is one of the known ones
brisk trail
idk which are hidden :I
real skiff
the ones you already have aren't hidden
pliant sparrow
That means u havent unlocked any t
real skiff
the ones with ??? are hidden and will be unlocked at some point
pliant sparrow
If you’ve only gotten 1 upgrade in, u can still swap weapon aspects and focus on another
If you “ give up” a run after upgrading a weapon, you will get titan blood refunded
real skiff
also is ||beowulf|| actually good? didn't seem worth picking up over chaos to me
pliant sparrow
Its the most common one in high heats
real skiff
oh okay
pliant sparrow
And speedrunning
real edge
its mostly for insane burst damage
molten nymph
its the speedrunner’s choice
real skiff
oh fair enough
real edge
its clunky to use tho fr
brisk trail
are there any no hit speedruns?
real edge
just do 100% dodge build lmao
molten nymph
you can get consistent damage with aphro cast on ||beo||
real skiff
pretty sure, but no hit is prob less impressive than high heat
pliant sparrow
You can melt bosses and anyone with it
molten nymph
look up pierced butterfly runs
molten nymph
ye
real skiff
yeah that makes sense lmao
hate how you have to keep it all run
but it def is insane
pliant sparrow
How much % does it provide at the end?
real skiff
depends on the amount of encounters
there's like 35 rooms total, so if you take no damage you should be able to get like 60%?
I guess
before styx I mean
pliant sparrow
||Hades|| keepsake might be better for flexibility
real skiff
and styx is weird for the growth?
like
I think it only counts final rooms as encounters
molten nymph
i’m pretty sure for ||mom’s|| it counts every room
molten nymph
so it should work similarly for butterfly?
real skiff
I like to think of ||hades keepsake|| as a "oh god its styx and i dont have a call" button
dire ether
is partingshot just not possible with ||beowulf|| lol
heavy fossil
same my thumb hurts too but I can't stop playing 
real skiff
is partingshot just not possible with ||beowulf|| lol
spoilertag it pls
vernal knot
so I just launch Hades again and .... i was awake at 5am
manic bobcat
lul
dire ether
how do I spoiler tag
manic bobcat
|| spoiler goes here ||
dire ether
does anybody know though lol
i just had a run with athena and aphro boons only, basically got nearly every boon and no parting shot
had the reqs filled too
wooden dragon
||e||
thick oar
Loving this Zeus aspect to the 🛡
honest zephyr
hey guys.... quick question i got to stage 4 shop again... no blood sadly... but some poms are 100 g and then two are 300 g. and i just wanted to ask, are they better poms or is the cost just subject to RNG?
thick oar
The more expensive ones are better
The 300 gives u 2 level upgrades instead of one
So u would go from lvl 4-6
honest zephyr
thanks dude
thick oar
Np
jaunty vapor
Minor question for all MKB players
how do you have all your attacks and stuff bound?
Like to what keys, buttons or such
winter harbor
Cast to alt, attack left mouse button, special right mouse button, reload MB4 (but I think that’s still awkward, may rebind later), rest default
jaunty vapor
I'm just wondering since I went for the just bind it all to mouse Strat
real edge
LMB Attack, RMB Cast, Q Special, R Reload, Space Dash
jaunty vapor
LMB Attack, RMB Special, MB5 Cast, MB4 Call, Space Dash
this is like weirdly comfortable for me
real edge
Mine are just the default from what the game set, because i cant be bothered changing
winter harbor
Oh, and shift for call
jaunty vapor
bound them to my mouse in a different order and then eventually changed to this
helps me focus by always keeping my attack hand on attack and move hand on move
real skiff
I went with regular settings except dash on shift
but that makes it difficult to use a particular aspect which I just unlocked
so I'll probably have to swap it around a bit
jaunty vapor
time to fight the hydraaa for the second time
now I remember how the final phase works
real edge
Best of luck
honest zephyr
what? 1st time i got flagged with that post...
real skiff
wdym flagged
swear words are banned, I'm pretty sure
like
you can't even say the one starting with s
without the message geting remove
honest zephyr
i got a post removed for swearing... yea first time.. it was like a 2 paragraph post about mouse vs controller... i hate it deletes it... i wish i could just edit the one word out... F.
real edge
As an Australian gamer it makes it hard lol
real edge
Literally
honest zephyr
I'm northern Canadian hick.... i made 10k this summer as a lumberjack side hustle... I'm a blue collar swearing degenerate too x D
real skiff
also uh, guys, question
do you like Bow?
cause a bunch of my friends got into the game
and everyone dislikes it for some reason
honest zephyr
no i hate it.... but that being said, the more experienced players in here said its a good weapon
jaunty vapor
it's weird
real skiff
while it's my fav weapon
jaunty vapor
It takes a little to get used to
real skiff
yeah but I'm not talking zag bow
real edge
I love bow
jaunty vapor
but I like the precision on PC (this is coming from somebody who is currently on their third run ever)
latent python
Bow felt awful at the start but after getting used to how to play get, and particularly some of the aspects, it's awesome.
real skiff
why woulld you use zag weapons in general
real edge
Bow is my literal blessing
quaint wind
i love bow
real edge
Ive got like 16 clears with bow
plush citrus
it's a really diff play style to my usual gungho yeet myself into the thick of things for better or worse
latent python
why woulld you use zag weapons in general
Zag sword + flurry slash + cursed slash + hermes keepsake + rush delivery + hermes move speed or attack + dem attack + arctic blast 😄
jaunty vapor
I'm pretty sure if I had to describe my playstyle it would be
ultra aggressive
so bow isn't exactly my thing
but it's fun
real skiff
Zag sword + flurry slash + cursed slash + hermes keepsake + rush delivery + herm...
thats because other sword aspects are gamer, not because zag aspect is good
like
poseidon is maybe okay?
latent python
Zag aspect is + move and attack speed, which meshes well with the rest of that stuff
real skiff
but its also like completely opposite to the idea of swords
jaunty vapor
From the vids I've watched Zag fists? I think are okay
real skiff
eh fair enough
latent python
Like, it's not the greatest thing, but it's certainly viable.
And you can do fun things with it.
jaunty vapor
Understandable
latent python
They definitely lack the flair of the other aspects in general
Since they're just passive buffs to the base weapon
real skiff
yup, I just don't see the appeal
especially since I can instead get an useful special for my bow
||or make everything take a quadrilion damage thanks to rama marks||
honest zephyr
@brisk trail nearly two hours ago u told me about cleansing pools on stage 4..... i went from failing the first door like 4 times inna a row, to clearing 3 doors because of that advice.... wanted to come back and say thanks xD
brisk trail
np
real edge
This may seem like a weird thing but I wish I could see a Total Clears rather than adding them up myself and like a % rate of Clears/Total Attempts
winter harbor
I wish you could sort by victory or weapon when looking at the statistics
real edge
Yeah, like all those little QOL things
winter harbor
I know it gives you the overall statistics but I want to see them individually too
It makes sense you have to unlock the statistics to make any sense within the story but it'd be nice to see it earlier
buy hey, this way, you probably have a few victories before opening it up
real edge
QOL update maybe to add more statistics 🥺 👉 👈
honest zephyr
i got Athena divine protection on legendary.... ( negate an instance of damage every 20 seconds) but honestly.... since im sitting at 80% dmg reduction from god mode... im tempted to take rare bronze skin ( 7% flat dmg reduction)
anyone
real edge
It sounds like you're close to just a complete no damage build
honest zephyr
i am, i got deflect up to 300% ( so i see it hitting for 500-1k under the right conditions) and i got it on attack and dash, so its pretty hard for me to get hit anyway.
and when i do i got doom up to 300 base dmg too
real edge
Damage (and no damage lol) for days
winter harbor
if this doesn't beat [redacted] I don't know what will
honest zephyr
i think i take 7 % base dmg
real edge
do you deal much attack/special/cast wise?
winter harbor
you don't need those if you have the revenge boons with that much damage reduction
honest zephyr
not really. most of my dmg is coming from deflects and dooms, my autos are hitting for like around 100 with no chance to crit. but i actually have another pressing question. im about to die on stage on 4
... im running the defiance that lets you revive once per floor.. and this is my first time on stage 4... i have 2 doors left ( so i cleared 4 of them haven't used it yet ).... do i only get 1 defiance the whole time on stage 4? cause it's step up different? instead of getting 1 per wave like i did before?
real edge
Not sure as I dont use that one
winter harbor
it's still one per chamber (including the little ones) IIRC
honest zephyr
nice
winter harbor
I ran it once for the prophecy and I think that's how it worked for me
jaunty vapor
Spear is super fun so far
heavy fossil
honest zephyr
wait soo that actually brings me a whole new question.... @real edge u prefer reviving at 50% once per 10 floors instead of being able to at 30% every floor? i kinda get why, that extra 20% on a boss ( which is when ur likely to need it) can make or break the run... but any reason other than that?
winter harbor
because eventually you get to the point where you're struggling with the bosses, not the floors before
honest zephyr
figured.... yea i was stuck on floors for a while lol.
heavy fossil
Stubborn defiance will help you get to the boss but Death defiance will help you with boss battles more
jaunty vapor
And when bosses are the difficult part
Death defiance is the savior
Do any of y'all just flat out forget cast exists sometimes?
winter harbor
yes, but I'm working on that by using cast weapons more
honest zephyr
ok last question... then I'm gonna get back to playing the game for a bit... i noticed there is a kind of a mechanical ticking sound on stage 4. ( styx) and i was wondering is this stage is time gated at all and increases in difficulty with time. Or is the ticking just a red herring?
heavy fossil
I don't like casts. It's too reliant on getting the "right" boons.
latent python
Casts are still good to use regardless of boons because of the mirror buff for embedding them
Though proper cast builds are also great fun
heavy fossil
ok last question... then I'm gonna get back to playing the game for a bit... i n...
I don't think it increases in difficulty with time.
real skiff
do you guys use infernal or stygian?
heavy fossil
Casts are still good to use regardless of boons because of the mirror buff for e...
yeah, i'm usually content with that. i just plant one cast in the boss then use attack/special
real skiff
the latter seems just better vs bosses
honest zephyr
for cast build ( if i ever went one) i would go for artemis ares duo. that one looks sick
pliant sparrow
the latter seems just better vs bosses
honestly doesnt matter if ur not running a cast build
latent python
Depends on the build which you want
pliant sparrow
you just want that boiling blood and thats it
winter harbor
stygian hidden shield with festive fog can be very good
latent python
Demeter and Dio definitely are nicer with stygian
winter harbor
better hope for extra casts from chaos tho
pliant sparrow
yah aphro cast w/ infernal seems much more reliable per run
latent python
I'm sitting here patiently waiting to be able to properly use aphro cast on hera bow on switch 😢
real edge
wait soo that actually brings me a whole new question.... <@!241790194003476480>...
You can get three of those tokens in total, and now that I am good enough to outlive all of the floors, I have usually 3-4 lives to use whilst against redacted
pliant sparrow
if you're new to the game, sd is better since you're not expecting to get to final boss anyways
after you can reach him, you swap to dd
end game, you run sd to reach the final boss
winter harbor
chaos can give more with their legendary but that's extremely rare
jaunty vapor
I keep forgetting you don't walk on top of the little boats in Asphodel
astral swift
ok last question... then I'm gonna get back to playing the game for a bit... i n...
I dunno of someone answered but I'm pretty sure it's just an aesthetic thingy
pliant sparrow
yah theres the whole mechanical floor full of gears just before you enter styx
winter harbor
daedalus has been busy, huh
honest zephyr
HEYO I BEAT {redacted} || i was pretty excited after phase 1 and started typing, but i was like i didnt even defy, that was too easy, there has to be a phase 2, and yep there was and i got that too|| now here is my question, and this regarding pathing during end game, click at ur own accord || i want dementor, and i know u can take different paths once ur on the surface, i watched some videos, i stopped pretty early on, but i know u have to find ur mom, and talk to her a few times to get the final story of the game, but i have no idea if demenotor is down one of these wrong paths? if she is can someone tell me how to find her?||
winter harbor
||You'll see her right after seeing (not beating) Hades once||
honest zephyr
ok thnx
astral swift
You can't really take a wrong path btw
real edge
@honest zephyr make the boss name redacted or hidden
pliant sparrow
isnt there only one path?
astral swift
Am pretty sure
pliant sparrow
<@!231186031104360449> make the boss name redacted or hidden
50% sure its Hades, as in the game hades
winter harbor
that's still a spoiler
real edge
||Also there are no other paths on the surface||
astral swift
At least say you beat ||Bouldy|| or sum'n 
winter harbor
right, the name of the game is also Hades
thick oar
It shouldn’t be
The game is called hades and ur trying to battle your way out of hell
Who do u think is gonna try and stop u
astral swift
It shouldn’t be
But it do be so
astral swift
Doom - Ares every run 
honest zephyr
i agree, i hadnt beat {redacted} and you guys using redacted actually confused me for like a minute trying to be by like what are they talking about... had to clue in.. saying who the last boss in the game hades is like saying {redacted} dies at the start of the last of us two.... everyone knew before the bought the game...
hahah
real edge
it just be like that
lament holly
honestly we just call it the final boss so everyones on board with who we're talking about
astral swift
Redacted is what it's called in canon that's why it's used here
honest zephyr
i will go with final boss then, just so i dont spoil it in the off chance people dont know who he is... but it's specific enough to not confuse with something like " i beat {redacted} first time"....
lament holly
yep. cause there are tons of bosses in this game itself
winter harbor
that's what hypnos calls him if you die to him the first time around
lament holly
hypnos doesnt even know who it is
astral swift
And once you access something else in the game, he's called Redacted there as well
real edge
yeah but what does hypnos know lmao
lament holly
sleep. he's got a phd in that
winter harbor
people love sleeping more than death
lament holly
mood tbh. we're all just tired
winter harbor
thanatos is such a workaholic compared to hypnos
honest zephyr
what blows my mind is i died on door 1 on stage 4 the last 4 times inna row... Misty ( i don't want to tag him/her again) told about posion cleansing pools, and i beat that and hades with that knowledge.... F*** yea, knowledge is power
winter harbor
try #h1-victory-boasting if you want to show off a victory
honest zephyr
im assuming even if i post it to a imagine database its gonna get flagged right?
ok
astral swift
I've seen people send links to images here
brisk trail
yeah you can upload to imgur and paste the link here
the image will appear automatically
honest zephyr
ok, i just spend 5 minutes on youtube. skimming through videos... trying to find out how to unlock Demeter... not been able to find anything i can actually use.. bunch of 10-20 minute videos overexplain the f outta the issue.
someone said they are basically impossible to miss? u sure?
honest zephyr
in final boss room?
astral swift
Nuo
honest zephyr
or next room?
astral swift
On your next run
lethal socket
you just fight the final boss
jaunty vapor
As the thing that appears when you start the next run
like how a random boon or hammer appears
honest zephyr
ok then i already got it
jaunty vapor
she does instead
honest zephyr
i see now... so i dont have to talk to demeter
jaunty vapor
Nope
honest zephyr
got it.
jaunty vapor
or at least it's very hard to
winter harbor
Don't think there are permanently missable things in this game
thorny thorn
finally unlocked ||final rank at resources manager|| to get ||one short interaction with Hades||, WORTH
honest zephyr
OK, this is like my 10th question tonight, i swear, i will contribute ( and teach other people) once i learn all this stuff.... but for right im in no position to do so.
just beat the final boss first time, and i was wondering to myself... does god mode ever reset? also how does it interact with heat, and if someone doesnt want to type a bunch, I'm happy to be referred to a link.
winter harbor
no, it never resets to less damage reduction
honest zephyr
ok
real edge
finally unlocked ||final rank at resources manager|| to get ||one short interact...
How long did it take you to get that?
thorny thorn
How long did it take you to get that?
well I have 373 hours total in Hades
Not too many of those were spent idling
winter harbor
Wow, the grind
real edge
Alrighty bet
winter harbor
And it probably took you some time for your first victory too
thorny thorn
12 runs ye
real edge
Because that's what im trying to grind atm
thorny thorn
I was just picking the bonus weapon, picking up egg, rolling at Chaos for darkness boon, only 2 times, 3rd reroll if possible isn't worth
also rerolling for extra chance at chaos at purple pools, but only if I had 4 or more keys
and then by the end if I didn't get Poseidon I'd get his keepsake to get the extra bonus darkness
In some runs I'd get like ||1400 darkness from Hades||
honest zephyr
this is why i didn't promise to not ask another question... because i checked the wiki ( which is the best wiki to use?) i checked gamepedia and it told me god mode starts at 20% and goes up2% a stack, lala i know. but here's what i wanna know. assuming i take it off in options, and try for a normal run, ( now that i had my crutch and beat the game once) if I'm finding it too challenging and want to turn it back on, will i start at 20% or 80% again?
also, just my opinion, knowing stuff like this about hades, and putting into the wiki could make you a contributor, just saying x D im thinking about doing it. just saying
thorny thorn
||https://imgur.com/6oeMQZi|| this is how the final badge looks like
honest zephyr
@real edge thanks again dude. good to know. i will try it with caution then, my goal is to get rid of god mode thu... as i said just finished final boss first time. maybe after next time.
i was wondering that too
honestly
also not on wiki
just saying
real edge
oh actually i just looked at some forum posts and it says that it stays at what it was
im not really sure about god mode as i've never used it, i just wouldve assumed that it would reset
brisk trail
tell me some game on promotion that's worth the buy
honest zephyr
on where steam? i will check the sale's and see if i really liked any...
brisk trail
for pc
honest zephyr
moving their for your answer @brisk trail
jaunty vapor
Just killed the elysium boss for the first time and trying to decide what to do
go to the next floor with 40hp and no DD or sell my drunken strike and buy kiss of styx
runic cipher
Elysium enemies are tough
I’d say keep the attack and try to stay alive. You’d have an even harder time without an attack and then risk dying anyways
jaunty vapor
I died like almost immediately and then got the attack back
going to the boss with 75hp and no DD
sure to die but hey why not
Cerberus is best boy
runic agate
Maybe
but boudly
I mean ||boudly is the one who made chaos soooooooooooo|| (this is a joke)
@jaunty vapor
jaunty vapor
heh
Now I'm just trying to figure out if an ambrosia for 500 darkness* is a decent deal rn
when I have nobody even up to needing ambrosia level
runic agate
YES YES IT IS
runic agate
Ooooof
runic agate
i have posiden zeus and charon maxed and am on run like 110 (but im also trash at this game and spend all my resources on getting titan blood)
jaunty vapor
I am fine with not a ton of variety
I just like what I like
and rn that is da spear
I'm an even bigger idiot
basically do I sell an ambrosia for 500 darkness
I'll buy my DD 2
I'm not really concerned with blood rn
jaunty vapor
Then yes
runic agate
sell it
runic agate
My first 12 ambrosia i sold for titan blood
jaunty vapor
addiction
jaunty vapor
addiction to upgrades :p
runic agate
Lol
real edge
ive got an addiction to darkness
heavy fossil
Im addicted to dusa
runic agate
Too bad you cant hang out with her like ||meg of ya know what i mean raises eye brows||
runic agate
Dusa is far too wholesome
i was just making a joke for sake of making a joke
id never want to do that to dusa the lord of wholesome
jaunty vapor
dusa is hug material not ||fug|| material
runic agate
I agree
dusa is the god of wholesomeness
you cant convince me other wise
Dusa is a god.
@heavy fossil
heavy fossil
Yes! Yes! Dusa is a cinnamon roll 
runic agate
WHEEZE
jaunty vapor
I'm just curious
runic agate
I think there might be but idk
runic agate
i just take what i think is good for my bulid
pliant sparrow
its usually only 2 or 3 boons good with a weapon anyways
jaunty vapor
trying to decide between supernova or shadow slash rn
I know nova is good just like
did it last run
pliant sparrow
which sword?
real edge
Soon enough
pliant sparrow
honestly probably shadow slash
since u kinda wanna build towards attack on zag sword anyways
cursed slash would be optimal
jaunty vapor
I know that
also the demeter attack effect is just
so good
in terms of sfx
and I got abyssal ambush from Chaos
that's a
lot of damage on behind attacks
Would it be more worth it than extra flat attack damage?
Chaos is easily the hardest to decide on which boons
pliant sparrow
honestly its such a small difference at a low enough heat it won't matter
pliant sparrow
if ur confident u can always stay behind a boss, go ahead
rain solstice
Do you guys have any advices for relieving the pain in your hands/wrists after or during an intense run? (while taking a break)
brisk trail
Hand stretches.
Holding your arm straight out with your palm facing down, gently stretch your fingers backwards with the opposite hand just before you start to feel pain. If you pull back far enough to feel pain, relax the stretch until it goes away.
rain solstice
Thanks I'll definitely try this !
brisk trail
Hold the stretch for just a few seconds, then release, by the way.
pliant sparrow
also take breaks between runs
walk around, etc, etc, stretch your eyes
not like i ever follow this advice
rain solstice
It already feels better thanks to your advice 👌
pliant sparrow
do you have enough space on your desktop?
jaunty vapor
I just noticed that Hades' beard is his sigil
I really wanna know what shaved Hades looks like
stone pebble
jaunty vapor
Just forgot I switched to bow and had a mini heart attack
rain solstice
I play with a controller, so my arms aren't really near the desktop
real edge
I just like KBM as I'm used to it
brisk trail
I played every other SGG game on MKB (yes, even Pyre), not abandoning that now.
jaunty vapor
I just missed a dodge and accidentally died on Theseus
ugh
well I got him otherwise
Could have gotten to styx with 2 dd and full health
sadness
but eh I'm here at least
better off than last time?
jaunty vapor
I was gonna do it without losing any
but I misjudged amount of damage and went down when I was at 1hp
as was he
worthy brook
F
worthy brook
because of pause and aim?
jaunty vapor
Yeah decently
aim is fine since MKB
but the pause is just
weird
also I never use special :p
or well I haven't gotten any good boons for it
sudden dock
Bow special bad
jaunty vapor
it's not charon's so no special
worthy brook
well if you are lucky to get the hammer, you might get something to remedy that
jaunty vapor
Ye
rapid forum
chiron special go brr
real edge
i love bow
worthy brook
Bow with artemis boons is pretty nice
jaunty vapor
as far as I can see any daedelus chain attack upgrade is good
and ye
it's nice
I got her call
real edge
i like bow with zeus and artemis
worthy brook
her call is my go to. Her and Zeus
real edge
I like Aphro and Artemis' calls
worthy brook
Never tried zeus bow. A new idea for a run then
I like using fists with poseidon
smack em, knock em away
rinse and repeat
jaunty vapor
my first legendary
pog
and it's
the artemis more cast ones
I have fog which makes it nice
but
hm
increased special (I have relentless volley) or artemis legendary
one of them
agile cargo
it was a few days ago when i realized the noises flame wheels make are supposed to resemble those of the cats bc their larger counterparts are supposed to resemble lions
jaunty vapor
Now I have 5 casts to pelt enemies with
thanks arty
I also got speed cast
so I can shoot like 5 in a second
real edge
Yessir
real edge
I truly appreciate whoever who wrote and voiced ||Theseus|| as they really captured how he be in actually Greek mythology
jaunty vapor
he canon
real edge
he do be tho
jaunty vapor
jesus it's a mortar barrage
real edge
:)
worthy brook
the music in this game is top tier
real edge
Music in all Supergiant games are great
jaunty vapor
free thousand damage per whenever I get my stones back
worthy brook
Music in all Supergiant games are great
My first Supergiant game haha. I'm saving to get the others
rain solstice
Speaking of him
real edge
They're all awesome
real edge
Rinse and repeat 
worthy brook
best part is you still "win" when you lose. Rogue-like done right
worthy brook
and 8th? overall
You're doing super well
real edge
You're doing well yeah
jaunty vapor
I beat the elysium bosses so fast Zagreus spoiled his own ||parentage||
||before the narrator got to||
worthy brook
I got my first win at like 19th attempt
jaunty vapor
for me it was binding of isaac
worthy brook
so I'm changing my mind :P
worthy brook
for me it was binding of isaac
I've heard of this one!
worthy brook
My genre of choice was platformer/metroidvania. So Hollow Knight, Celeste
agile cargo
person of culture here i love both
worthy brook
I'm enjoying roguelikes now
agile cargo
mmm myes baddie pfp
jaunty vapor
My current issue is I just can never figure out how the hell to dodge the final bosses ||big circle attack||
pliant sparrow
dash away from it
it has a huge tell (white circle before hand)
or dash into him precisely when he does it but that takes a lot of work
worthy brook
having a deflect plus dash can help. If not go for revenge so that if you do get hit, boss gets hit too
brisk trail
@rain solstice Gonna take this to #h1-story-discussion
real edge
||Yeah mostly because he is the God Hero of Greece and is, in some stories, the child of Poseidon. I think Nyx and Hades just get upset because it is Hades' child contacting the gods that have treated the family so poorly||
jaunty vapor
||oh no I see that it's just like I can never dodge fast enough even with it the second I see it||
rain solstice
Ah, sorry and thanks 🙇
real edge
||oh no I see that it's just like I can never dodge fast enough even with it the...
||Attempt to dodge towards and through Hades||
agile cargo
i struggle with big circles sometimes too thats why i love hyper sprint
pliant sparrow
in that case wait till he attacks with his 3 hit combo, then go in
he'll have a pause usually
jaunty vapor
At least I'm getting more used to his attacks
jaunty vapor
For me isaac has always been my play while streaming or just play cause I have nothing else to play game
and this might fit that
got him to ||40% first phase||
||Didn't have a very nimble bow build so kept getting screwed over by the skully bois||
pliant sparrow
constantly dash around
agile cargo
be speed
jaunty vapor
Like I'm trying but when your main attack requires you to stand still
uhh it doesn't work great
pliant sparrow
hera bow or just regular?
jaunty vapor
Regular I haven't unlocked aspects yet lmao
agile cargo
i think just the regular given theyre about 9 runs into the game
latent python
The bow's dash attack gets you a fast charge, so there's no need to spend a lot of time standing.
Dash, shoot, dash, shoot
pliant sparrow
dash around until he attacks a few times
jaunty vapor
it's just habit
Bow has me in a
weird headspace
I did way more damage with my mortar barrage of a cast than with my attacks
pliant sparrow
then attack when he's pausing his attacks
agile cargo
bow is a ranged weapon for a reason, keep ur distance with the redacted man
jaunty vapor
Spear atm
agile cargo
i was a shameless shield main
pliant sparrow
i think just the regular given theyre about 9 runs into the game
from my first clear run 30 runs in, i did it with eris aspect :C
edit: nvm runs not clears i misread that
jaunty vapor
or well I think
worthy brook
unless...you use the hammer and ||make your bow a freaking gun||
jaunty vapor
the chain bow carried me for like ever
real edge
unless...you use the hammer and ||*make your bow a freaking gun*||
ratatatata
jaunty vapor
and then mortar cast carried me through ||styx||
I'm actually wrong
that was my 7th run
I got the scryin pool
pliant sparrow
7th run for final boss is extremely good
latent python
Uh yea, what they said
jaunty vapor
I got to boss on 5th? also
agile cargo
wtf
jaunty vapor
But lost like immediately
worthy brook
sometimes the gacha gods Fates bless you and the build is insanely good so you like beat the game without losing a dd. Feel like an actual god.
pliant sparrow
worthy brook
I got to boss on 5th? also
yeah this is not the norm afaik
agile cargo
given how fast you learn ur gonna beat redacted in no time man
pliant sparrow
yah usually people are still in 2-3rd region by their 10th clear
jaunty vapor
Also this using my mouse for literally all my attacks strat has been working 👌
I got to Elysium 3rd run
agile cargo
damn
agile cargo
how is this man (how) (sanctuary guardian theme)
worthy brook
bruh
agile cargo
bruh
jaunty vapor
I think?
pliant sparrow
❓ howd you learn movesets of bosses so quickly
jaunty vapor
It was either second or third
worthy brook
HOW
pliant sparrow
or did you like watch vids before hand
jaunty vapor
I've watched videos a while ago
pliant sparrow
oh
jaunty vapor
but hydra is a joke lmao
latent python
I didn't get to Asphodel until my 9th run XD
pliant sparrow
ok that would make sorta sense
agile cargo
hydra more like free kill with ranged weapons
pliant sparrow
cuz usually a lot of people's runs are just learning the bosses's movesets
jaunty vapor
Trust me when I say this
latent python
Didn't get to final boss until 20th.
jaunty vapor
it's like 30% videos 70% learning
worthy brook
ok maybe. I went kinda blind. Bought it because a friend recommended
real edge
i think i beat the game on my 15th run, then i got a streak of 13 in a row
jaunty vapor
cause seriously videos do not portray it even similarly
agile cargo
yea i get you
worthy brook
cause seriously videos do not portray it even similarly
pog
agile cargo
still kudos to you
latent python
31 until I actually got my first win. I thought it was less.
jaunty vapor
Ye
pliant sparrow
yah lmao its usually one person killing the boss in 5 secs for vids
agile cargo
ouch
jaunty vapor
Lost to Meg on the first run, asphodel on the second lost to hydra, elysium on third lost to a brightsword, elysium on 4th lost to aaaaa strongbow? and then got to ||Styx|| on fifth
pliant sparrow
?? how tf u beat heroes so quickly
worthy brook
damn
silver bone
Thankfully I got all the prophecy stuff done that has to do with that.
jaunty vapor
I beat heroes first try
silver bone
So I never have to touch that ability ever again.
agile cargo
god incarnate
worthy brook
You beat the Elysium heroes in your first try?????
pliant sparrow
like if u dont know minotaur's movesets its extremely difficult
jaunty vapor
barely
pliant sparrow
and theseus's moveset too
worthy brook
Did you even have death defiance?
worthy brook
like if u dont know minotaur's movesets its extremely difficult
spoiler
agile cargo
thats still goddamn impressive
pliant sparrow
? are heroes really spoilers
people in #h1-for-new-players ask about them all the time
jaunty vapor
the most difficult attack to me is the bull rush
that's really it
Theseus solo is big joke
agile cargo
what are yalls least favorite elysium champions
i hate shields and bows thats all
jaunty vapor
shields are annoying
worthy brook
? are heroes really spoilers
I don't really know, I'm new. But maybe????
jaunty vapor
bows are also very annoying
jaunty vapor
but my real weakness is not paying attention and swordies
knowing the pattern of how I do these
silver kestrel
Oh hey it was only three days ago that I realized you can make Asterius' bullrush strike Theseus if you lead him in and dash through Theseus and that I'm probably SUPPOSED to be doing this because they have some unique voice lines for when it happens.
jaunty vapor
boss is going down either the next time or the time after I get to ||Styx||
2 2 1 3/4 would be funny to me
agile cargo
Oh hey it was only three days ago that I realized you can make Asterius' bullrus...
what do they say i dont think i paid attention when that sort of things happen
silver kestrel
A lot of times this game has made me feel stupid from things I should have noticed earlier. But uh, it's fun to learn new things?
silver kestrel
Stuff like "Asterius watch out!" and "The fiend tricked us!"
agile cargo
kjsdhkj
pliant sparrow
i struggled against theseus aoe attacks for the longest time
then ||i unlocked companions and can now one shot his phase 2(and phase 1 too)||
jaunty vapor
he's had ares 2x in a row for me
agile cargo
theseus is honestly bad at fighting the only thing that makes him a threat is his olympian aid
molten nymph
he would win if he just face zag permanently and let the gods do the lifting
silver kestrel
Fastest champions clear I ever had was with an "artillery" build where I had 3 regenerating Dio casts (with Demeter Duo) and the triple special mortar on rail boosted by Aphrodite.
It just kept hitting behind Theseus' shield and catching both of them in the hail of explosions.
jaunty vapor
also fountains full heal is underrated when you get it early
super helpful for bosses/post bosses
nocturne copper
my fastest was demeter aphro duo boon with demeter casts and zeus bolts on atk
theseus was crying as i made him block my spear while 3 powered up sentry beams hit him from behind
pliant sparrow
fastest was eris clear for me sub 10 time but it took me a week to get there
jaunty vapor
I just realized there are no voice chats here
that makes me the sadness
was gonna stream
opaque nexus
agile cargo
im like 90 runs in and i never tried out good builds bc my brain is just too small to come up with strategic plans with builds
like what boons should i look for to have a chance for a desired duo
things like that
silver kestrel
It will spare you the pain of thinking you're gonna make something really galaxy brain but it's actually terrible or maybe it's good but you couldn't get the components to appear.
That's pretty much how my "builds" go.
I have all my best runs on accident.
agile cargo
i would be interested but i got hw so soz man
silver kestrel
Duo boons though you can pull up the upgraded codex even on the choose a boon menu to check duo and legendary requirements, etc
rapid forum
pick 2 gods that theoretically do well with each other I.e. Aphro + Zeus.
jaunty vapor
Zeus + self restraint
rapid forum
lmao
silver kestrel
I had a phenominal shield run with the Aphro Zeus duo and the Hermes call generator and the Zeus call with the passive double strikes.
Literally just blocked and spammed call from that point.
rapid forum
been doing theoretically run and got 120 win streak so >:D
agile cargo
my best build was nemesis sword with poseidon special and zeus strike, mostly bc i got a boon that made foes who get knocked away also get struck by thunders
that was so surprising bc i hate both of poseidon and zeus boons
pliant sparrow
seastorm is p good yah
jaunty vapor
I just wish there were actually voice chats here
silver kestrel
Seastorm is nice
jaunty vapor
would make streamin easier
silver kestrel
But Schro can't you just quantum stream anyway?
jaunty vapor
Quantum stream?
silver kestrel
Yeah like when Zorin is dying.
silver kestrel
It's because your avatar is Schrodinger, who's everywhere and nowhere.
real edge
probably a reference to your pfp and the thing it is from
silver kestrel
That's good too.
jaunty vapor
Not like that's a bad thing
I just have a bit of a habit of keeping pfps forever
also what would y'all say the best keepsake to start a spear run would be?
silver kestrel
Depends on the aspect and if you have a general gameplan or just gonna be opportunistic.
rapid forum
haha butterfly go brrr
jaunty vapor
the one thing that is certain about me is that my playstyle could again be described as like really aggressive
silver kestrel
Yeah my favorite because of that high special damage on return for free backstabs
jaunty vapor
it doesn't even give me a benefit
since I don't have it upgraded :p
I don't have aspects unlocked
silver kestrel
When I play Zag I like to try to look for Athena's exposed debuff and then try to cherry pick curses from the other olympians so maybe Athena's keepsake wouldn't be a bad starter choice?
jaunty vapor
that's what I usually go for honestly
silver kestrel
Or just something generally good at the start like Than or Hypnos?
jaunty vapor
she's the god(dess) I like most
silver kestrel
Athena is just too dang good. So many tempting things. Not the least of which that dash.
jaunty vapor
the dash is nice
latent python
deflect all the things!
jaunty vapor
however I'm also tempted for diony for that fountain upgrade
which is just painfully valuable
agile cargo
i was this close to getting a full athena build but she refused to give me aid no matter what 
silver kestrel
And Dio can function good on a Zag spear run since he's got so much curse and it's extra damage
latent python
Athena call with smouldering air is also ❤️
latent python
of course
jaunty vapor
chain spear is the run I got to ||styx|| on first
chain spear + thunder flourish
was v fun
warped atlas
is aspect of Zagreus most worth it for the fists, or should i invest in something else?
jaunty vapor
iirc zag aspect for the fists is actually decent
and one of the few good if not only good zag aspects
silver kestrel
I don't like the fists but I use all the weapons evenly and when I'm using the fists I think all the aspects are pretty good.
My favorite is probably... Demeter actually?
Although... I did get my first ||Charon|| victory with ||Gilgamesh||.
jaunty vapor
what I can tell you is that the sword is fun but I suck at it and the bow is something I'm really good at but hate
warped atlas
i actually just tried out the aspect of Talos and it seems pretty great
agile cargo
i am the chiron gaming gang
that thing shreds bosses like crazy i dont even mind regular mobs being a bit tedious to take out
jaunty vapor
Spear is my actual fav rn tho
silver kestrel
Spear is my favorite for sure. It's not what I have my best record on though.
warped atlas
thanks for the input, i have decided im gonna go with Talos
jaunty vapor
also my last call if anybody wants to call and watch me play some
twin kiln
hey I'm new to this server just started playing hades awesome game btw. I just have a question I'm trying to slowly build up the achievements in hades and there is one where I have to purge a legendary boon. Does anyone know how to get the legendary boon do I have to play more or are there items to increase my chances I'm having trouble finding a guide thanks if anyone can help
molten nymph
the item you get from giving the gods orange juices can improve your chance
as well as mirror upgrades down the line
and legendary boons usually has reuquirements, you can see those in your codex
or the wiki
twin kiln
ahh okay thank you i thought it was just a rng thing with no way to alter it
jaunty vapor
got a nice explosive launcher build going on
real edge
There is one legendary boon that I think procs in the run after you ||get the fishing rod|| and I found that to be the easiest to purge for the achievement without throwing my escape attempt
pliant sparrow
yah but || u can catch so many fishies in the overworld||
green maple
silver bone
Two losses in a row...yeah that's a telling sign to stop for tonight.
At least I now have all the Duo boons logged though!
brisk trail
glglglgl
brisk trail
yooooo
brisk trail
u win??
brisk trail
!!!
jaunty vapor
Holy hell
brisk trail
u should prob spoiler that but congrats
brisk trail
lmao
brisk trail
god winning for the first time is such a rush
brisk trail
took me 21 runs
agile cargo
yooo sicck
brisk trail
yeah
agile cargo
good job congration!
jaunty vapor
also I called it
brisk trail
p fast
agile cargo
what are you, hermes? lol
worthy brook
absolute pogs in the chat
jaunty vapor
👌
brisk trail
jaunty vapor
I'll send a screenshot of the build in a sec
worthy brook
post in victory
brisk trail
pogged out of ur gourd perhaps
brisk trail
I take more hits from the ||summons|| than from ||dad|| lol
jaunty vapor
Same? honestly
a lot more predictable later
the thing that was screwing me up was the single circle attacks
the triples are easy
jaunty vapor
yeah but seriously tho I'd totally have done the fight in like 1 or 2 tries if it was just ||second phase||
brisk trail
I had no clue
jaunty vapor
I beat him just now (10 mins ago)
7.3 hours of play time
And Hypnos is still not here
does he say the thing if you see him after the first time you beat the boss?
crystal tide
brisk trail
check pins in #h1-story-discussion
agile cargo
i often joke about redacted being asgore with my friends bc he too ||is a dad who tries to prevent protag from leaving underground|| and i just realized they both use spears too
jaunty vapor
Damn I wish I had friends who played this game
agile cargo
i have a pretty big friend circle who are all gaymers and we recommend to each other
jaunty vapor
or had friends period
agile cargo
im lucky
jaunty vapor
Gamers or gaymers
agile cargo
b o t h
jaunty vapor
because i'm especially interested in the latter
agile cargo
😳
weak mantle
Does PTR progress carry over?
rose nexus
Replace Clifford the big red dog with Cerberus and people will watch the movie
feral urchin
Cerberus the Big Red Dog
rose nexus
rose nexus
he got big stompers
jaunty vapor
Just beat Theseus through the time honored technique of literally spamming dash so hard my thumb has gone numb
thank you freezing crystal beams
rose nexus
😳
feral urchin
how to beat thesus: exagryph, triple bomb
rose nexus
Congratsy
feral urchin
radical
rose nexus
I can’t use bombs with controller ugh
jaunty vapor
also Flurry shot replaces the issues of Bow with bigger strengths and bigger weaknessess
jaunty vapor
I cannot tell whether I hate it or love it
feral urchin
you lvoe it
manic bobcat
point blank
feral urchin
should've chosen explosive
feral urchin
explosive deals a ton of damage even when not fully charged
and if you get it with twin shot it destroys everything
or the triple shot
jaunty vapor
never gotten twin before
I think I had the option a while ago
but didn't take it
(like second run)
feral urchin
next time you see it take it
because it's amazing
despite the mildly shorter range
feral urchin
but you'll likely never be able to use the bow at max range anyways
jaunty vapor
Which one is triple?
manic bobcat
the three arrow one
jaunty vapor
never even seen that one
I'm on run 9? or 10? right now
beat the boss for the first time ever last run
feral urchin
silver kestrel
Twin Shot is what got me my first clear.
It was Twin and Rapid and I had some backstab bonuses so that was that
jaunty vapor
first clear for me was explosive launcher basically making spear into bow
but like
super bow
manic bobcat
Just keep going. I am sure you will fine something you like