||getting back persephonie||?
#h1-discussion
tribal willow
ornate summit
A lot
heavy breach
@tribal willow ||you have to get bonds with a bunch of gods and stuff||
cosmic stone
you don’t
ornate summit
||Weapon aspects, Pact of Punishment, filling out bonds with everyone||
languid wing
|| After the ending there is the epilogue ||
cosmic stone
||You have to beat Hades nine times||
heavy breach
what is sword talking about?
ornate summit
Sword, I imagine that's already done
ornate summit
He said "||after getting Persephone back||"
tribal willow
i dont really care about achievements
cosmic stone
OH
winter pike
what the heck
cosmic stone
I READ HIS MESSAGE WRONG
heavy breach
this isn't for an achievement, (there probably is)
winter pike
not petting cerb is a sin
heavy breach
@tribal willow ||this is for THE ENDING|| of the game
cosmic stone
||Yeah yeah max god friendships and you’ll get more stuff||
heavy breach
not just chieves
ornate summit
Well, there's ||another ending much further down the road||
tribal willow
i read something about a secret boss or something
heavy breach
ah crap, shouldn've have clicked on that one
cosmic stone
||There is an achievement for the ending by befriending the gods and it’s the rarest||
||wait what’s this other ending juli?||
ornate summit
Just saying it exists, not saying how to get there or what it is
cosmic stone
Tell me :(
ornate summit
cosmic stone
I thought I beat the game
winter pike
|| the only secret boss I know of is charon if that even counts ||
ornate summit
Oh yeah, ||beating up Charon|| is a thing. P fun
winter pike
@ornate summit || the epilogue? ||
cosmic stone
To fight em ||you steal their money bag||
tribal willow
it's crazy that you actually get more if you have boons that increase money gain
ornate summit
You have to ||befriend him enough|| first
languid wing
He deals more dmg than.|| hades || from my experience
tribal willow
i once got 525
ornate summit
And yeah they hit like a freight train
winter pike
I still haven't been able to get to || the epilogue || despite maxing out my affinities sadge
tribal willow
he's way easier to dodge, ||hades|| always hits me with something
winter pike
rng has not been kind
ornate summit
He's a ||Cthonic God||, after all
languid wing
You have to talk to specific gods to trigger dialogue prerequisites @winter pike
ornate summit
Yeah, avoidable but punishing
tribal willow
i think you get the epilogue ||after 50 runs||
languid wing
Look it up. There should be a guide out there
winter pike
@languid wing yee but I p much talk to everyone so i think at this point it might be down to rng for those convos to be triggered
languid wing
No there is prerequisites to the dialogue prerequisites
tribal willow
make sure to give everything nectar
crisp ocean
And ambrosia
ornate summit
I've been getting dialogue about weapons and not talking to Dusa well after maxing out Dusa and getting all the Aspects...
languid wing
Kinda hard to stumble on it unless you frequently use said gods
winter pike
yea isn't the prereq to the dialogue maxing out affinity
languid wing
Nope. There is a specific order
winter pike
bruh
languid wing
On top of that
ornate summit
It's a bit jarring, especially when all I want is to ||get Achilles and Patroclus back together||
languid wing
Some people won’t notice it but it’s because they frequent said gods in their runs
rough token
@winter pike if you're having trouble with the epilogue, check the pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion
rough token
@ornate summit if you're getting dialogue that feels out of order, could you report that? On PC, hit 
, otherwise, you could drop a message in #h1-tech-support
crisp ocean
Ive noticed during updates that I'll often go over the same dialogue but slightly tweaked
cosmic stone
That’s just natural dialogue probably
crisp ocean
Like I cant tell you how many times ive gone ||Dusa with Nyx||
cosmic stone
Is it just the characters speaking without !s above their heads?
crisp ocean
No
languid wing
Also if you guys experienced a bug where the ending sequence of a boss soft locks you. Try alt-tabbing or pressing print screen
Happened to me once. I didn’t get to report it since I found the fix
rough token
(you can still report after the fact as well)
and if you get dialogue from a character that doesn't have an ❕ above their head, it may be filler dialogue
cosmic stone
Yeah
crisp ocean
That's not what I was talking abiut at all
cosmic stone
It’s just stuff they’ll naturally say I get that a lot since I’ve beaten the game
What do you mean then?
crisp ocean
We'll talk about the exact same thing that ive already passed a long time ago and discovered more dialogue and then an update happens, I keep my progress but they just bring the same matter back up that ive already long since completed or experienced
||Dusa coming back to work at the House Of Hades for example||
cosmic stone
Oh that’s definitely not meant to happen
crisp ocean
But it only happens after an update, and rhe dialogue changes just slightly
I'm,not soft locked or anything its just that I have to re-experience that whilst not having to back track any
I dont have to do anything with ||Dusa|| either
kindred granite
Hey guys I just got the hidden aspect of the fist, don't find it THAT good compare to demeter, any idea of a build to make it great?
cosmic stone
Yeah I have no idea all I can say is to
Use Athena or Aphrodite for the fists hidden aspect
crisp ocean
@kindred granite dash attack constantly, you deal less damage however you get more hits in than just normal strikes
rough token
@kindred granite I'd head towards #h1-builds-and-combat if you want help with that ^.^
languid wing
I just run zagreus fists. I like its vanilla version.
crisp ocean
And you're harder to hit when you stun enemies
languid wing
I pair it with hermes dodge
tepid plover
OMG SWAN YOU GOT A ROLE
cosmic stone
I wouldn’t dash attack constantly
tepid plover
rough token
hahaha hi Dio
cosmic stone
I’d dash wait a bit until you can do regular attack
cosmic stone
Oh congrats! ^^
crisp ocean
@cosmic stone I would, its op
quaint hatch
Dash attack isn't op
cosmic stone
Eh I might try it could be good with Artemis
quaint hatch
You have no I frames
cosmic stone
Oh
quaint hatch
It's essential with fists tho ngl
rough token
the moment you hit attack you lose the rest of your dash i-frames
quaint hatch
Cause it resets your attack buffer
crisp ocean
But Also resets your attack cool down
quaint hatch
Athena dash helps with that but you're very mobile with fists while dashing
That's what I said lol
cosmic stone
I have no idea what i frames mean but ima roll with it
quaint hatch
On unarmored enemies
crisp ocean
The enemy you strike cant hit you unless they have shield, in which case you maim first to get bonus damamge
cosmic stone
Oh right invincible frames
I like to run the 999% more damage on shielded enemy hammer
The one that only works with dash strike
quaint hatch
Guys it's called armored
cosmic stone
Same thing
crisp ocean
Sorry lol, I'm used to calling it how it was back then
quaint hatch
Nooe
Cause theres an enemy type and boss that has a shield
And those are, barring some exceptions, "invincible" from the front
crisp ocean
I mean if you strike rhe enemies shield then the attack wont work sooooo
quaint hatch
It's something very different in this game
kind mason
Spoilers for something in the Administrative Chamber: ||Cheeky devs made Pi (π) x1000 rounded (3142) the amount of Darkness the House Contractor needs to restore the Eldest Sigil. Thought nobody would notice, huh?||
crisp ocean
But you Definetly want a dash ability, id suggest Posideon because you can rapid dash so you dash 3 times for the price of two
quaint hatch
Athena dash
crisp ocean
Or that
cosmic stone
Does attacking with shield make you invincible?
crisp ocean
But Definetly want greatest reflex too
quaint hatch
Blocking gives you 180° INVINCIBILITY
From the front more or less
Only as long as you hold down attack
Sry my auto correct makes the wor caps lol
cosmic stone
Easy 32 heat win strat: Stubborn roots + shield
WAIT I SHOULD DO THAT
That actually kinda sounds good
cosmic stone
No last time I did that I lost
quaint hatch
With blocking
cosmic stone
And?
quaint hatch
Git gud with eris lol
quaint hatch
It's not that ez
crisp ocean
You mean Egis?
quaint hatch
Eris
cosmic stone
I am the best player
quaint hatch
If I type eris I mean eris
crisp ocean
Eris is an aspect for Exagryph
quaint hatch
Yes
cosmic stone
Yes
quaint hatch
Never said anything different
crisp ocean
Egis is the name of the shield
cosmic stone
Yes
quaint hatch
It's aegis
crisp ocean
Which is what we are talking about
crisp ocean
I dislike Eris so,much, my damage is hardly anything compared to the empowered shot of Hestia
cosmic stone
Aspect of Beowulf + Gathering as much Minotaur hearts as you can + Stubborn defiance + Stubborn roots + Dio cast.
Maybe?
And maybe deflect attack
quaint hatch
Eh
crisp ocean
What, absorb the blast then make sure you nail your enemies with your 75% damage boost?
cosmic stone
You absorb then just spam your attack
quaint hatch
You take rocket bombs and cluster bombs and just play melle
cosmic stone
Wait I should try an Eris dash thing
quaint hatch
Melee
quaint hatch
It's nicer with either athena or artemis dash imi
cosmic stone
True
quaint hatch
Nah they're in 90% of cases bettering
You want poseidon dash when building zeus or poseidon
Or for removing blue hearts
But athena does that too
Granted with a smaller radius
crisp ocean
If you just dash with a good Posideon dash boon you literally do not habe to attack
And if you have greatest reflex
I mean I leveled up an epic Tidal dash to level 8
cosmic stone
Not attacking will remove your DPS by loads
quaint hatch
If
I'f
Id
crisp ocean
I melted every enemy instantly
quaint hatch
If
cosmic stone
Yes it’s a good strat but don’t invest everything into it
quaint hatch
If
pliant sparrow
if excalibur can block lava why cant it block poison
cosmic stone
Good question uh
pliant sparrow
or the green jar traps
quaint hatch
I like poseidon dash as much as the next guy
Especially on dedicated builds
But you can't argue athena being simply better
crisp ocean
Divine Dash is op
pliant sparrow
i took the trap heat cuz i thought "excalibur easy" then i died twice to 150 damage hits
crisp ocean
Especially on witches
quaint hatch
It is
Also take the green dash option
Although it feels scuffed playing with one dash until you pick up hermes boon
tired merlin
That my fave build for fists
cosmic stone
Is hidden aspect of gun good with support fire?
quaint hatch
I prolly have a build for that lying around xD
Gun in general
Zeus attack and support fire
Hidden is pretty eh
cosmic stone
Hidden aspect I say
quaint hatch
Mb sry
languid wing
Hidden aspect seems more on the mine aspect
cosmic stone
Super Soaker except arrows get thrown at your face every few seconds.
languid wing
I had fun with it on doom special + hammer upgrade
I don’t need to proc them. They just autoproc doom for me with their upgraded aoe
quaint hatch
Post lucifer buff building for special is hella fun
I heard
Still waiting for it on switch :/
tired merlin
How do I win with weapons I'm bad y'all
tired merlin
But I like eating damage especially traps
I guess what I need is a guide for dummies on spear, gun, and shield
cosmic stone
Well what aspects do you use?
cosmic stone
I really can only tell you stuff on Spear
quaint hatch
Try eris
Ez mode
cosmic stone
I’m only good with Sword, Spear and Bow
Eris is like the only gun I’m good at since it’s self explanatory
quaint hatch
If you dash out of spin you retain I frames
Honestly tips depend on the aspect you're using
tired merlin
Spear I feel like requires more thought than fists and sword to me
I don't really care for gun to begin with but I want to clear the prophecy for cashmonies
quaint hatch
Honestly tips depend on the aspect you're using
@quaint hatch .
tired merlin
I haven't spent blood on them because I don't like them
tired merlin
Mostly just run default
cosmic stone
Mainly those weapons are the ones which change so much with aspects
tired merlin
Hmm
quaint hatch
Most aspects are easier to play then the vanilla ones
quaint hatch
For regular spear you can just go for a special build ig
Take explosive launcher hammer, artemis special, aphrodite attack, breaching skewerer, heart rend
cosmic stone
Spear you can use spin and dash and it’ll release after doing your dash for distance and keeping I framed. Gun you can dash around while shooting and shield you can block attacks and stay in corners doing it to take no damage by holding down click.
quaint hatch
With priority on explosive launcher
cosmic stone
I hate to say it but I think those are the worst Zag weapons
I really only use Bow, Sword and Fist Zag aspect.
quaint hatch
Sword and gun are the worst zag aspects
quaint hatch
Yep
cosmic stone
Bow probably takes the cake but both are good
I haven’t really tried spear zag
I mean it sounds fun
But I’ll see
tepid plover
cosmic stone
dark scroll
ornate summit
I think Zagreus' Stygius is not that bad
Probably the least good aspect but attack and movespeed is not that bad
I'm not a great fan of Zag Malphon, but it's still a 15% chance to ignore hits, I suppose. Would much rather run Talos or Demeter is all
Good synergy with Plume and Hermes if you want to try for a dodge build for some reason
ornate summit
If you want to run Zag Exagryph, you might as well just use ||Lucifer|| Exa instead
Same for the spear and ||Guan Yu||
Unsure if Zagreus Coronacht is worth it in any way. I've heard Zeus' lightning cannot crit?
Because Lightning Flourish is more or less the only thing I see myself using it with, outside of simply using it as a status mule for High Privilege
cosmic stone
You guys ever played Hades?
tepid plover
Will do
gaunt otter
tepid plover
Nice
agile cargo
hello
just checked in to say that i was Not Ready for big chariots with speed buff (from the heat)
that was traumatizing
brisk trail
Oh have you tried Hades Varatha against those
Hey there! I was curious if there was a discord that focuses on fan produced content? (Fan art, fan fiction, etc etc) If not I think I might look into making my own
Might be, but on this server there's #fan-works
Thanks!!
tepid plover
tepid plover
Both
What are you trying to accomplish
Are you aiming for key duos or legendaries in a build? Legacy
If not pride
I personally use pride
agile cargo
i see
tepid plover
All mirror talents are good, it depends on which fits YOU the most
vague jolt
kinda curious, how long until the game exhausts its dialogue options?
I'm about 50 hours in
and am amazed at how much story there is
tepid plover
I was at 100 before 1.0 came out and was still getting lines, 1.0 added a lot more
vague jolt
wow!
this is one of the most amazing games I've ever played, honestly
the way every character has some reaction to every single thing zag does
definitely an achievement in writing/voice acting
this is my first supergiant game, are they all this good???
plucky tulip
tepid plover
this is my first supergiant game, are they all this good???
They all are a success if that answers your question
spare ridge
their question was if they’re all this good not if they were all successful
and yes to both
pyre went a little less appreciated then bastion and transistor but still really good
quiet gull
Hades is definitely their best, I'll say that much
robust scaffold
yea
agile saddle
Am I doing something wrong for Bad news? Says either plume or auto reload with the secondary mirror thing for cast but I never have seen bad news
red tiger
I played bastion for the first time recently and its just....ok
quiet gull
It is a legendary after all
red tiger
Its in no way a bad game! its fun! its good!
but thats it. just good. not great just good
quiet gull
I played bastion for the first time recently and its just....ok
@red tiger I remember really liking it when it came out but I did have to turn on all the difficulty totems for it to be engaging
red tiger
GODDAMN IT
I HATE THIS BOT
I TYPED. A WHOLE ASS QUESTION
basically my question was how to combat dps
quiet gull
pick more boons gooder
red tiger
like what
tepid plover
Then stop swearing
red tiger
which boons can combat dps
tepid plover
Wdym combat dps
red tiger
@tepid plover This is the only discord server I have that doesnt let me swear
quiet gull
all the ones that deal damage
tepid plover
Then stop swearing
red tiger
its difficult to remember
I literally just told you why its a problem for me
Why can't they just censor your message?
tepid plover
Just dont swear
red tiger
Stop being annoying
tepid plover
Likewise
wild mason
when you alt tab the music goes soft, and they hum the vocals! what a nice touch
tepid plover
red tiger
Then why are you here?
tepid plover
Likewise
red tiger
wow thanks for all the help guys
tepid plover
Yeah thats a nice touch, before it used to straight up stop
red tiger
@quiet gull boons that deal damage dont help to combat dps
tepid plover
What does combat dps mean
quiet gull
I dont actually know what you mean with combat dps
red tiger
damage per second enemies
quiet gull
That's not... a term
tepid plover
^
red tiger
it stands for damage per second
quiet gull
Do you mean..... damage mitigation?
tepid plover
I know what dps is
red tiger
So like the green crystal things in chamber 4
tepid plover
But combat dps idk
agile saddle
Aphro and Athena have defensive boons
quiet gull
Oh, that
red tiger
They fire a laser at you consistently and you can't do anything unless you have a shield
red tiger
Right, but they target right at you and there is nothing you can do
tepid plover
You dodge
quiet gull
You can move
tepid plover
Or literally move
red tiger
It doesnt let you dodge that
tepid plover
You can outrun them
cursive wadi
quiet gull
Yes it really does let you dodge
tepid plover
You can literally outrun the laser
quiet gull
My guy
tepid plover
Unless you have the chaos curse
quiet gull
Just dash through them
tepid plover
You dont even need to dash, you can literally just walk
true olive
Move out of the way, man. They track very slowly.
red tiger
what does that do
quiet gull
The laser will not damage you when it shows up
tepid plover
It slows you
red tiger
ok then my game is broken
tepid plover
Chaos can slow you
quiet gull
So when you see it dodge away
red tiger
they consistently target you with a laser
tepid plover
Unless you're slowed by chaos you can literally outrun it by simply moving
red tiger
not slowed
tepid plover
Btw, just for future referees, "from chamber 4" says nothing
quiet gull
Are you talking about the Snakestones in Styx? Or regular crystals?
red tiger
from the 4th chamber
quiet gull
I'm guessing you're very new to the game
red tiger
styx
quiet gull
Styx is not a chamber
tepid plover
All the 4th chambers are different each run
agile cargo
also you can dash over lasers without getting hit
quiet gull
It is a region, or biome
red tiger
region then
quiet gull
Chambers are each individual room
proper halo
does ||distant memory work with chain lightning and main and doom?||
agile cargo
iirc you can dash though any projectile without getting hit i think, athena dash only adds on it
quiet gull
Snakestones are more aggressive, but you can still dodge out of the way
tepid plover
^
red tiger
but you cant infinitely dash
tepid plover
Also simply by walking
quiet gull
Only the Dire Snakestone fires in all directions
red tiger
when the dash ends, I'm still getting hit
quiet gull
Snakestones turn slowly my guy
tepid plover
^
quiet gull
You have to dodge around them
agile saddle
Snake stones stop attacking if you hit them too
tepid plover
This guy is playing another version
agile cargo
unless theyre armored
agile cargo
to gerty
red tiger
is that on by default?
tepid plover
Shouldn't
red tiger
yeah then no I dont
quiet gull
Check it to be sure
proper halo
can anyone answer my question. Does ||distant memory|| work with ||chain lightning and maim and doom?||
btw i have dash to cursor and I love it but I only play super aggro melee playstyle
quiet gull
Today was the first time that aim assist was kinda not great, kept targeting not-Redacted in the final fight. still made it tho
proper halo
well it doesnt work with ||maim||
acoustic citrus
I like aim assist. Helps me line up shots and avoid barely missing. Sometimes gets janky but not enough to be an issue.
tepid plover
To each their own
proper halo
ive hated aim assist ever since playing cod
agile cargo
does the distant memory thing only work with ranged weapons btw
proper halo
wut
tepid plover
Unless like spear q or shield q
agile cargo
huh
proper halo
true
is it just me or is the dashing over the untrekable pits very forgiving in how close the gap needs to be to dash over it?
tepid plover
Yes
quiet gull
yeah you can jump further than you can dash
tepid plover
Lot of stuff in the game is forgiving
short gust
Anyone have any idea what the like 10mb patch was?
@acoustic citrus The Aim assist messes with me when I'm using the shield, but it like it with the projectile weapons.
With bull rush, being able to aim kinda halfway between two enemies instead of dead on at one of them can be super helpful.
tepid plover
Probably minor bug fixes since no notes
acoustic citrus
I do main the bow so that's probably where it helps me
short gust
The gun i'm kinda torn on and it depends what hammers If ind
If I've gotten two really good special-focused hammers and i'm using my special more than my primary fire, i'll usually turn it off.
Because otherwise I try to aim somewhere between 10 enemies to hit them all and it just.. snaps onto the closest one and misses half.
But the bow I definitely prefer it on
The fists also.. mostly seem better with it on.
rose nexus
So does anyone else love ||orpheus’ singing or||
languid wing
I wish that we have an achievement of defeating Hades on Zagreus’s first run out.
Because it’s theoretically possible but very improbable
tepid plover
Itd say a prophecy
Not an achievement
And even then
They want the game stuff to be unlocked by everyone
Thats why there's nothing for skelly 3rd statue
karmic obsidian
Just got the true ending to the game. Amazing job supergiant. Does anyone know if there is any planned DLC
languid wing
I don’t agree with it being a prophecy. It doesn’t fit the theme of it due to them having an eventuality of becoming true.
hollow halo
i feel like the problem isnt really the boss but more damage output
you have so little damage
languid wing
You have one chance with that specific detail. So it fits more to be an achievement imo
tepid plover
But it definitely can't be an achievement. Thats not their goal, to make something so hard behind an achievement
hollow halo
i made it to elysium on run 3 and died because regular rooms took so long
languid wing
I mean it can be a secret achievement but I think it’s still worthy of it being called one.
proper halo
i beat the final boss for the first time using dodge fist build and didnt even die once. it felt meh
tepid plover
Thatd put 100% the game achievements, behind an extremely hard wall
proper halo
then i just beat final boss with hidden aspect fists maxed out on ||heat 1|| that felt great
languid wing
Fair enough. It would take some real dedication to 100% it.
|| You’ll have a fun time vs hades on EM 4 if you want the challenge ||
proper halo
I only see ||em3||
proper halo
ok
tepid plover
brisk trail
you know joe hes going to be president
golden valley
Hello! Is Aspect of Hestia not working or am I just dumb?
tepid plover
10/10 joke
brisk trail
ikr
agile saddle
hollow halo
@golden valley are you reloading before the auto reload when the ammo counter is empty
rancid ember
Heeeck yeah I beat the giant pink gorgon for the first time :D
hollow halo
if you fire until empty and let the auto reload happen the shot isnt empowered
golden valley
So it has to be empty for it to work?
tepid plover
you need to manually reload
tepid plover
like press r or whatever button on controller
golden valley
I do that but it doesn't do any extra damage on skully
rancid ember
I think I am, in fact, slowly getting better :o I wonder if I'll manage to stick with the game long enough to make any truly significant progress XD
tepid plover
golden valley
I purchased the upgrade that's why I'm so confused
agile saddle
@rancid ember you can deflect gorgon's attacks if u have a Athena boon for it
tepid plover
hit f10 and report it
rancid ember
I mostly had dionysus boons this time
golden valley
Well ty! At least I know its not me being dumb x.x
tepid plover
Well from what I'm reading it sounds like a bug
agile saddle
I think rail is my least favorite wep. It's seems so clunky
I got all weps to heat 20 so far and still don't like rail or shield
past pollen
oh flip
tepid plover
Smh how dare you
past pollen
will i unlock hidden aspects of shield and rail just by playing n junk
or are there requirements i might miss
tepid plover
Check pins in #h1-story-discussion
past pollen
hey alright
tepid plover
agile saddle
I used to love hidden spear then they absolutely nerfed it into the ground
tribal glade
was this pre-1.0 @agile saddle ?
agile saddle
Yes they have nerfed hidden spear multiple times @tribal glade
tribal glade
ahh ok - i've only been playing since 1.0 so the only change i know of is the minor buff it got - shame it was nerfed, it seems to have the potential to be good but atm its... mediocre imo
agile saddle
Yeah it was the first hidden aspect
warped atlas
what is the maximum level for aspects?
agile saddle
5
warped atlas
okay cool, i was worried i might have to dump a bunch of titans blood into something to get its full worth
agile saddle
U will want level 5 if u are gonna use that aspect
U get blood from first and final boss on every heat level for each wep. Trader shade also has blood for keys or gemstones or darkness sometimes
wheat kayak
some don't need a lot of investment to be good
hidden sword off the top of my head
hidden spear though is a hell of a challenge at lvl 1
warped atlas
alright i have only recently started doing runs with heat, and honestly i havent used any titans blood at all because i dont really have a favorite weapon
wheat kayak
Most bow aspects are pretty good already at lvl 1 imo, and gets better from there
warped atlas
also should i just look up how to find the hidden aspects?
agile saddle
Hera aspect can be level 1 but 5 is good
tribal glade
if you've already beaten the game, i recommend you do, yes @warped atlas
agile saddle
U wanna unlock them yeah
warped atlas
okay, do you just mean once ive beaten the final boss once?
agile saddle
Yes
tribal glade
if you go to #h1-story-discussion and check the pins, you can "spoil" each one as you please
warped atlas
cool
tribal glade
hidden aspect of the spear is the first one you can unlock
wheat kayak
Also I now realised why SGG nerfed bow special
bow special + Charged Volley + some good boon on it (Aphro spec in my case) is basically a very powerful shotgun
I was running default aspect
warped atlas
so the aspects that i have to unlock with more blood, if i max out the previous aspect will it unlock the next or do i have to pay extra?
wheat kayak
no need for that
you can unlock all aspects as soon as you have the blood for them
except for hidden which can only be made available to be unlocked after satisfying the requirements and talk to the relevant characters
warped atlas
yeah but i was wondering if there is a way to unlock them cheaper or do i just save up, its not a problem i am just wondering
wheat kayak
save up, pretty much
warped atlas
alright, that makes sense
is there a best aspect for each weapon or just up to preference?
rough token
mostly preference
visual slate
Preference
warped atlas
alright
visual slate
Just depends on what build you really want to go
wheat kayak
Eris is outrageously strong though
visual slate
^^^^
wheat kayak
I'm this close to reaching 16 heat with it now, currently 11 with EM4+JS1 iirc
wheat kayak
though maxed default rail can be pretty fun, not like you can always get Delta Chamber
||Extreme Measures||
warped atlas
oh okay
brisk trail
Has anyone else read neil gaimans sandman series, because Orpheus reminds me so so so much of the sandman
warped atlas
i havent read it, but i can see how they would be very similar
brisk trail
Yeah I was wondering if there was any inspiration there
warped atlas
i always forget Orpheus and Hypnos arent brothers
brisk trail
Amazing series too, highly recommend, it's in my top favorite comic series at the moment
Orpheus does seem more like hypnos brother than ||thanatos||
warped atlas
yeah, sometimes they do. im not sure if there's any inspiration or not but im assuming the sandman shares a lot of his sleepy and dreamlike qualities
brisk trail
Oh definitely, very serious, too, but mostly in the character look, did you give him a google?
tepid plover
I want apollo :/
warped atlas
i have now and i agree they look very similar
brisk trail
If I could pick any god that'd be a toughie. I think I'd just replace daedalus hammers with fun interactions with hephaestus
warped atlas
yeah, apollo would be pretty cool, i also think it might be interesting if the Daedalus hammer was replaced with hephaestus
oh wow, me too
brisk trail
😂
I love all the character interactions, and he's one of the more interesting if not somber if the pantheon
But I have to imagine his character design would look awfully similar to hades
warped atlas
i agree, i dont dislike the idea of daedalus hammers, it just might be interesting to have hephaestus
brisk trail
Except for the legs. But we don't talk about the legs 😔
warped atlas
haha, would you remind me why that is?
brisk trail
Yeah I wouldn't even mind interactions with daedalus, he's sort of a zany mad scientist type
Hephaestus was thrown off mount olympus and that left him crippled
Hephaestus really got the short end of the stick, and his wife is aphrodite, but you know how that one goes.
warped atlas
oh i knew the first part, but i didnt remember that it actually crippled him
yeah, also hera isnt always the loving mother or victim of zeus' shenanigans that shes made out to be
brisk trail
Yeah. Hera was the one who threw her baby off a mountain because he was ugly 😂
I kind of imagine a bill and hillory clinton situation there
radiant estuary
Basically, it's not entirely wrong to say that most of the olypmians were kind of jerks, to put it lightly
Honestly, why not make Hephaestus the mad scientist type?
He basically made a giant robot once
warped atlas
yeah, i agree with both of you
brisk trail
Hephaestus is just too somber, he's always kind of a grim and dour rough and tumble ugly smith sort lol
Daedalus just had all these zany ideas and builty everything from giant mazes to wax wings
But you can always take creative license of course
radiant estuary
Maybe you could have aspects of the Mad X thing split between them?
Like Hephaestus could be a mad scientist, Daedalus could be a mad artist
As an example
brisk trail
Yeah I think hephaestus did do just about everything with creation, I think he was pandora's father, too
radiant estuary
Along with the aforementioned giant robot
brisk trail
I don't recall the giant robot but I'd believe it lol
radiant estuary
Talos
brisk trail
Yeah I looked up a bunch, that's pretty nifty, also apparently they are almost always awful for people when they're here amongst the people 😂
stone pebble
I love it when Zagreus gives the ✌️||after he gets the job and dies succeeding an escape||
narrow hemlock
daedalus hammers dont interact with you specifically bc devs didnt want every item you get in a chamber to talk to you
so thats why theres no daedalus interaction, they just wanted him to remain in the background
carmine ravine
no, hammers cant talk
robust sundial
@stone pebble I find it irritating because he does it everytime now (granted, I'm on a streak)
warped atlas
i haven't used any titans blood at all yet, would it be worth it to fully max out aspect of Zagreus for Exagryph, or should i use it on something else?
carmine ravine
if u like the rail just max eris aspect instead
robust sundial
use it on what you usually take with you
sonic ridge
follow the heart of the weapons, friend
robust sundial
zagreus is a solid aspect for the rail, I kinda like the one where you have to absorb your special better, but ymmv.
robust sundial
meh, speedrunning
carmine ravine
which means its good
warped atlas
alright, i like pretty much all of the weapons equally so i usually take whichever has dark thirst. i like pairing exagryph with zeus' chain lightning boon so i thought that extra ammo would be useful, the eris one also seems very useful though.
I imagine after playing a bit more i wont have any shortage of titans blood though, right?
robust sundial
which isn't enough to max everything, but you should be able to max at least one aspect or two
carmine ravine
u just need to max one aspect per wep to rush through higher heats i believe personally, some dont even need to max it in the first place
warped atlas
wait, so even doing every heat level with every weapon i dont have enough titans blood to max all of them?
warped atlas
okay, i thought it would be, just making sure
sonic ridge
aye, with prophecies you get close
warped atlas
thats right forgot that you can get it ffrom the broker
sonic ridge
It's a small difference, just sixty blood or so
carmine ravine
or u can save enuf coins to buy some blood in the styx, kinda worth it if u farming derkness/gems tho
sonic ridge
And there's also fishing
carmine ravine
foshing is too rng
sonic ridge
words of someone who doesn't believe in the heart of the rod
warped atlas
so including runs and the broker i am guaranteed to be able to fully max out all relationships/mirror/aspects etc.?
carmine ravine
rods dont have hearts
sonic ridge
heresy
unkempt sleet
You also have a lot of excess Ambrosia after you max out everyone, so that's another source of blood
sonic ridge
I mean, pretty much all resources are infinite through the broker
carmine ravine
yea you gett too much ambrosia tbh
warped atlas
alright cool
unkempt sleet
1000 gems per blood is pretty steep tho
carmine ravine
dont forget to ||take back ur ambrosias from that snakehead||
warped atlas
what do you mean by that?
unkempt sleet
She has a name, how dare you
carmine ravine
1000 is nothing if u avoid shops all the way and have at least 1 chaos/poseidon loot buff
sonic ridge
🤌
unkempt sleet
No, not 1000 obols, 1000 gems for the broker
carmine ravine
oh getting from broker is hard farm yeah
bronze ravine
not that bad
unkempt sleet
Also I think it's 1200 obols for blood in the final shop, but with the right setup it's not too hard
sonic ridge
You could try getting nectar and keys instead to shortcut it tho
bronze ravine
since you also get keys or nectar
carmine ravine
less than 1200 if u got discount card
warped atlas
i had a question about charon || recently i was able to "borrow" from charon but i failed the boss battle, im assuming it will have a random chance of happening again, is that correct?||
sonic ridge
Yes
carmine ravine
yes
unkempt sleet
22% chance in mid biome shops
warped atlas
thats cool, i was hoping it would let me since it seemed like an interesting idea
carmine ravine
it can appear in tartarus if u feeling dangerous
bronze ravine
does the difficulty scale with biomes or is it the same anyway
carmine ravine
its the same
bronze ravine
interesting
carmine ravine
u can make it easier in tartarus if u got sisyphus shackles tho, so theres that
cosmic stone
If it was easier in the first area that would mean you could pretty much get an automatic win on the run. He’s meant to be hard to beat because he gives a good reward.
upper urchin
has there been any mention of a collectors edition of the game or a steelbook of it? loved the game more than expected and want to spend lmao
sonic ridge
or cds, shirt, kidney, poster etc
carmine ravine
its a wonder they dont sell artbooks for hades, i think thares a market for that
cosmic stone
By the way are they ever updating the game again?
sonic ridge
I'd buy
carmine ravine
theres test branch
sonic ridge
you mean beyond fixes?
sonic ridge
we can only hope for more content
carmine ravine
they add little stuffs here and there
cosmic stone
If they don’t it’s gonna get boring
sonic ridge
team is taking a rest iirc
carmine ravine
yes just read #hades-faq
agile cargo
had a really bad run with only 150 max hp when i made it to redacted
acorn really is a god sent
robust sundial
150HP is a lot !
tepid plover
^
agile cargo
ok i know but im kinda new to this game
sonic ridge
acorn saves lives
agile cargo
im too used to having at least 200
robust sundial
once made it to redacted with 380
cedar remnant
In elysium I came across than but when I entered the chamber the arrows at the sides were firing, and one of them did me damage while i couldn't move since I was talking!
bronze ravine
I have yet to give a serious try to acorn, I have been using spearpoint
sonic ridge
it with athenas legendary is 👌
agile cargo
three star acorn is yes
carmine ravine
150 is not a lot
In elysium I came across than but when I entered the chamber the arrows at the sides were firing, and one of them did me damage while i couldn't move since I was talking!
@cedar remnant it wont hurt you but it does push you away
carmine ravine
it wasn't to be that way for sure, happened to me at the end of a round a lot
cedar remnant
Level 3 heroic curse of pain, pretty pog
bronze ravine
what does it do again?
twilit bobcat
This game is sooo great :)
Is there any hope to get a "Hades 2" with norse mythology 🙂 ?
Come on what will fit more than climbing Yggdrasil 🙂 ^^
cedar remnant
nah it's the doom damage on special
brisk trail
ahhh
carmine ravine
curse of pain is the basic doom special yea
cedar remnant
I have 188 doom on special
brisk trail
I just used the revenge curse thing and it was sick
bronze ravine
btw
brisk trail
this time I'm using hoarding slash and have 2900 gold and artemis on my attack boon 🤢
it's gross.
bronze ravine
with revenge damages, what happens if both you and the boss get killed at the same time?
brisk trail
4200ish crits from behind
carmine ravine
u lost ur dd
brisk trail
if you die you're dead
bronze ravine
too bad, would have been interesting
brisk trail
I mean what else would happen lol
agile cargo
what if u climb out of pool of styx with the boss together
(i know thats not what happens but thatd be funny
robust sundial
the bosses are bigger than you so they get there first because gravity.
robust sundial
or they are shades, so they weight less, and get there afterwards
carmine ravine
yes meg is bigger than you
brisk trail
meg has bde
robust sundial
either way the boss aren't as dense as Zagreus 
dreamy briar
Tisiphone
brisk trail
Lernie is dense 😤
agile cargo
i saw a screenshot of zag standing next to her and zag was like a lot shorter
carmine ravine
either way the boss aren't as dense as Zagreus
@robust sundial theseus
brisk trail
yeah meg has like a foot of neck
grand bay
the speedrun scene in this game mostly runs in non-Hell Mode right?
robust sundial
I like the theory that Theseus is like a mexican pro wrestler, he just plays it really well.
dreamy briar
I keep thinking Lernie's skeleton is completely filled on the inside with bone instead of being a hollow skeleton for some reason
robust sundial
he's not dumb, he just plays a persona
dreamy briar
Mexican Greek Wrestler, now that's something fresh
brisk trail
Theseus is definitely a Luchador, once you get ||the pact of punishment|| you can see his true self.
carmine ravine
no, lernies is just a bone pinata
agile cargo
wow that actually sounds like how it feels to kill lernie
it does feel like hitting a pinata
bronze ravine
no candies inside tho
brisk trail
Lernie Whack-a-Hydra
grand bay
Hell Mode mostly only affects the early game, it gives you a total less rewards cause youre skipping 6 heat levels (30 total less ||diamonds, titan bloods, ambrosias and one more thing||)
carmine ravine
diamond candies
agile cargo
crunchy
bronze ravine
lernie going out from the pool of styx in the hub must be quite the sight
carmine ravine
disappointed u cant kill the dog
carmine ravine
no petting allowed in my house
agile cargo
die, fiend !
brisk trail
only pets
agile cargo
nobody talks crap about cerb!
brisk trail
Mote it be.
faint flint
urgh
i hate these lobbed attacks
they're so hard to aim
if I was aiming with a mouse it'd be so good
but controllers are lul
brisk trail
the auto aim for lob isn't too terrible as long as you're not holding a direction it tends to work pretty well
brisk trail
just get MOOOORE LOOOBS
faint flint
most notably dionysius where I want to put the cloud between me and the dude
brisk trail
your lobs will blot out the sun.
rancid ember
get so good at lobbing, you become a lobster
brisk trail
actual footage
I think the key is to not hold a direction when you throw, I had that problem for a little bit too because I'd be moving when I went to throw it
but try pausing for like a millisecond when you throw and I think you'll have better luck
it's not surefire, but that cast is also like my favorite in the game, it's damn strong
zag uses his left hand a lot while talking
crisp zodiac
For moving targets, take manual control to lob it where you want it.
spring pawn
should quitting save my progress?
brisk trail
it should
granite ether
||the Hades fight is a spoiler in this channel|| @spring pawn please use spoiler tags ^_^
astral osprey
Theseus cute, change my mind
green jungle
I think all hades characters cute
neon drift
doing a school assigment on hades soo im having fun
green jungle
Oh yes
faint flint
so i finally beat the act 3 boss
in the cheesiest fashion possible
stygian soul and artemis cast
astral osprey
Congrats 🎉
pine spindle
@neon drift on the game or the mythology?
tepid sequoia
I'm still pretty noob at this game but I got a few wins with broken combos xD
I'll try to get a win with every weapon (except bow. It feels so wrong)
ornate summit
Try Aspect of Chiron. It's very strong once upgraded
tepid sequoia
I'll have a try, thanks
brisk trail
Or hera, lvl1 is good enough, less investment
ornate summit
Hera's alright yeah
Don't need to upgrade Hera if you're running Stygian Soul
Hmm... Hera with Trippy Burst...
That could be fun.
brisk trail
I use infernal on it, then go for +cast boons
ornate summit
True
Artemis can be very good on Hera, now that I think about it. Mostly because of Exit Wounds and Fully Loaded
pine spindle
Does exit wounds work? I didn't think the casts actually lodge into enemies with Hera
sharp fossil
casts lodge as normal with Hera
they just pop out faster, which only makes exit wounds better
you might be thinking of ||beowulf||
brisk trail
@sharp fossil that aspect with the shooting shield charge thing is hilaaarious
spark glacier
tfw you're trying to romance meg but shes never there or talking to another dude
brisk trail
Too realistic, throw the whole game away 😔
spark glacier
^
pine spindle
Yeh that's what I'm thinking of
robust sundial
well at leats she's moving on, while you don't 😛
sharp fossil
@sharp fossil that aspect with the shooting shield charge thing is hilaaarious
@brisk trail agreed
ngl its basically my favourite aspect at this point
brisk trail
Yeah it's one of my favs, I also like playing how high of damage can I get on my third attackwith hidden sword aspect
nocturne smelt
does anyone know if the Aphrodite and Poseidon's duo boon "Bonus Lv. from Poms" doubles all the poms i found before picking up the boon?
or just from that point on
sharp fossil
its just future poms
nocturne smelt
alright thanks
ornate summit
Just future ones, also it's not double
Some poms give two levels, that duo will make those give three
sharp fossil
^
robust sundial
🎶 future poms,
future poms,
do whatever future poms do !
Can they swing from a tree ?
yes they can,
they're all poms.
Lookout !
it's future poms ! 🎶
ornate summit
Lmao
carmine ravine
cringe
sharp fossil
dionysus, except wearing a mask and fighting crime
robust sundial
noice.
slender jungle
is there any news on when Switch cross save is coming? I pretty much can't play on the Switch anymore since my PC save is so far ahead now
also looks like the FAQ for cross saves needs to be updated, since it still says it's coming last month
brisk trail
@sharp fossil fights crime with free booze and piñatas
granite ether
#announcements message @slender jungle
sharp fossil
life goals tbh
slender jungle
nothing new then... I hope some progress happens soon
granite ether
they'll surely announce something when they have some news regarding cross saves ^_^
faint flint
demeter's cast
kind of slow to track
even ran arrowhead to get artemis
didn't get the duo boon
in the words of the philosopher trump, SAD!
almost beat final boss
acoustic axle
brisk trail
Congrats Nemo!
Enjoy paradise
Also all of you not using ||sigil of the dead|| are missing out, using ||Hades'|| greater call against him nets some truly golden dialogue
nimble ocean
@brisk trail might want to spoiler tag that just in case
brisk trail
good idea
sly prairie
I've been using it and I think I prefer it
brisk trail
I thought it was fun at low heat, but in higher heat it doesn't feel up to snuff
civic heron
Guys, I accidently skipped a dialogue with ||Hades ||on a fight he ||simply doesn't even burn his cape||, ||just gave me the item||. Can anyone please link me a source so I can read what happened?
I was thinking in something else and mashed x 😦
bronze ravine
might want to spoiler this first
brisk trail
@civic heron is it where ||hades just lets you pass to see persephone? Because I think all that is is him trusting you to speak with her after you learn the truth about what's been going on||
civic heron
my BAD! I just fixed it @bronze ravine
bronze ravine
spoil the name too ^^
civic heron
@brisk trail I think this is it!
||all I can see is his back, he says something and then drop the item and I can proceed to see Persephone||
bronze ravine
when you upgrade it it gets more arrows
and there is also the hammer upgrade with +4 arrows
faint flint
and it didn't seem to give a bonus of
the consecutive hit thing
for sword
Artemis boon for attacks do crit
does that include dash strikes
ornate summit
@faint flint Upgrade it. It goes up to 7 arrows.
Dash strikes count as Attacks, yes
faint flint
would be nice if i had the titan blood
stiff gust
Does fishing give any benerfits?
dim nest
idk if this counts as spoilers but ||you give them to the chef in the lounge and get stuff in exchange||, plus there's an achievement for catching them all and it updates the codex
brisk trail
Yeah you get all sorts of fancy resources like gems, keys, darkness, nectar, diamond, ambrosia, titanblood
fierce berry
does having multiple boons that meet the duo requirement increase chance of duo appearing?
quaint hatch
Nope
You only need to meet the reqs
There's a mirror option that increases the chance of legendaries and duos appearing tho
hard pier
It's one grindy upgrade though yto be fair
quaint hatch
Eh
dim nest
do the mirror upgrades go past 30 the ones unlocked with 30 keys?
flat vapor
no, that should be the last one
dim nest
I ask because I don't think I've seen the upgrade that increases legendary chances
only one for epics and one for rares
flat vapor
switch the talents
dim nest
how does one do that
flat vapor
i assume that if you're at the 30 keys mirror talents, you've already unlocked this, so: click on the talent (or the little symbol to left of the talent's name)
dim nest
do you have to have completed a run for it? because I haven't beaten the final boss yet
flat vapor
no, this is something you unlock very early on
copper pond
it's not that early
flat vapor
nyx should've already given it to you
dim nest
I'll have to check it out next time I'm playing
copper pond
and yeah it's partly dependent on conversation RNG with Nyx.
dim nest
I'm almost 20 hours in and talked to Nyx every time I could so I probably unlocked it already, just overlooked it
ornate summit
does having multiple boons that meet the duo requirement increase chance of duo appearing?
@fierce berry Yes, in a way, since picking a boon means that the god can't offer it any more. But there's downsides to that (diluting your pool for Pom upgrades, and potentially picking abilities that you don't need).
bronze ravine
this ||spoiler tag||
quaint hatch
Anything past styx is considered a spoiler
It's a bit more linient on this channel than on #h1-for-new-players
|| on both sides of the word/sentence
||
You can copy it
stiff gust
Well its the title of the game so pretty obvious but ok ill delete it
quaint hatch
Its enough if you tag it
Or call him redacted
Well yk hades is also the name for the underworld
faint flume
yoo you got killed by ||[redacted?]|| again? this redacted guy must be pretty tough!
glass shell
