get one from everyone
#h1-discussion
narrow canyon
scenic path
i dont know but i dont think you can get a boon from every god in one game
static wadi
@narrow canyon u cant have all 8 in run
scenic path
ive noticed its mostly just a sequence of boons in the early area of the same gods
hollow lark
so aphro or artemis prob best for hestia right?
misty ruin
Love to read patch notes and see direct responses to issues I saw in the feedback thread, including one i reported 
hollow lark
or zeus since its still gun
scenic path
i feel artemis is a must for me cuz i like big damage
static wadi
@hollow lark not zeus
hollow lark
zeus on gun is crazy bro
whole ridge
Hey boys, what does the theme house contractor work do? such as theme, lovely or theme, chtonic. I bought it and didnt notice any difference
coral verge
you can also reload even with full ammo for the buff
hollow lark
lol wtf
static wadi
@hollow lark Hestia not usual gun
coral verge
@whole ridge your ingame "Boon" page gets new UI
scenic sparrow
ingame boon page and end result page
halcyon bolt
@whole ridge victory screen looks different, and the boon display on the left in a run is different
past gorge
so, when is twitch integration coming to hades? I have decided to become a full time hades streamer (streamed it for like 60h on twitch the past week) and I don't want my viewers to leave me because of my addiction, I need to keep them engaged! send help 
whole ridge
oh thats why i didnt see anything, didnt go out yet thnx
scenic path
send your twitch in DM cuz i wanna see how others play hades
shell ice
ares attack on hestia is super fun
get into a cycle of reload -> shoot once -> reload -> shoot once
(mixing in specials during reloads where appropriate)
high island
@vale drift
- Fixed some visual issues with Chill effects form Demeter Boons
Should be "from".
static wadi
@shell ice ares cant buff ur attack
scenic path
Opinion on 4th aspect bow?
static wadi
so what the point
shell ice
it times nearly perfectly with the doom going off
as far as I know, it's the second highest DPS on Hestia, after Artemis
i havent done the math in a few patches though
coral verge
4th bow is a shotgun, it's great but sorta slow
shell ice
and like artemis, it stacks really well with +% attack damage increases, since those are additive (except for crits)
aphrodite doesn't stack as well for instance
high island
Huh?
high island
+% Attack damage works just as well for Curse of Agony as they do for Heartbreak Strike. They don't affect Doom damage, they only affect base attack damage.
shell ice
indeed; the point is that the attack % damage increase doesn't "get in the way of" other additive bonuses
static wadi
Aphro has best scales in the game
static wadi
i prefer guarantee dmg every shot
scenic path
overall gets more % from boons and rarity ups
static wadi
instead of CHANCE
bitter valve
Their damage values are very similar iirc
scenic path
artemis is great tho too
static wadi
yup
high island
Heartbreak Strike has way better rarity and pom scaling. Deadly Strike benefits more from extra +% damage, but requires quite a bit to catch up in the first place.
scenic path
It stacks so well with hammers that give crit
scenic path
Yes
static wadi
but dmg scaling is lower
shell ice
scenic path
i had a run with arthur sword and was doing over 1200+ with common artemis attack boon
shell ice
see the "mean Atk % w/ crit" tab
high island
That's my spreadsheet, yes.
shell ice
courtesy of speedrunning discord i believe
scenic path
mainly because 200% attack from behind hammer stuff
shell ice
ah its yours?
high island
Yes.
shell ice
apologies
was misinformed
anyway, as mentioned, it scales better with +% damage
though you are right that aphro's level scaling is better
high island
Pom and rarity scaling, yes.
scenic path
i use shattered shackles early game and switch to tooth later after i get a good boom
high island
Deadly in a typical run at lower heats ends up getting higher damage because t2 crit boons etc. factor in.
shell ice
yeah, obviously when you have less control over your boons, the situation changes
and aphro is very "safe" since it's both high damage and damage reduction in one very nice, low-setup package
high island
Higher heats, you'll often get more out of Heartbreak because you don't have as much freedom in your build, so t2 etc. become less of a factor. Main increase comes from putting poms on it, where Heartbreak wins (plus it's already ahead).
shell ice
I'm fully aware
high island
In either case, the reality is you just pick whichever of the two you see first lol.
shell ice
fair haha
anyway, my point is that ares has very nice inherent scaling
on hestia attack
scenic path
it just feels so nice to see aphro with a high %
shell ice
its pom scaling is fantastic and its +% damage scaling is still quite effective
scenic path
makes it feel really strong
shell ice
i think i did the math right after the patch that nerfed aphro % damage numbers across-the-board
forget what one that was
but perfectly-timed ares attack on hestia was very comparable to artemis/aphro
ofc it's much harder to use in practice, so in the chaos of high heat i wouldnt necessarily recommend it
but it's very fun
scenic path
wouldn't it just be better to get more stacks of doom boon upgrade too?
or does the damage scalling go down
high island
@manic bobcat used Curse of Agony to deal with DC on high heat. Though, he ended up getting Tempest Strike or something, I think, when he actually cleared?
high island
Personally, I just always start with Eternal Rose and get Heartbreak Strike on Hestia. The potential for Smoldering Air is just too good.
shell ice
I havent really done any experimenting or math with Dire Misfortune
but my impression is that its very not worth it
shell ice
unless you're in like, a merciful end fists build or smthn
scenic path
using dire misfortune would probably reduce overall dps
shell ice
in which case it more "accidentally" increases your damage than anything
scenic path
i dont get how duo boons work
do you get them if you have specific boons or do you have to be far in the game to get them?
shell ice
you need specific boons, but the ones you need depend on the specific duo in question
the list is available on the wiki, or ||you can unlock the ability to view requirements in the in-game codex from the house contractor||
static wadi
@scenic path it depends on luck
sometimes i just get 1 boon form 2 gods and 3rd was duo even before 1st boss
shell ice
there's also a green mirror perk to increase the chance of seeing duos
static wadi
and sometimes i keep meeting them and no duo all run along
shell ice
but this only matters if the prerequisites are taken
they're impossible to get without the prerequisites
scenic path
i just got the shadowmirror upgrade for 20% epic chance
shell ice
a lot of speedrun/high-heat builds are based around getting to a specific duo
scenic path
ooo
shell ice
as an example, one popular speedrun combo is Ares attack, Athena special, Athena dash, Merciful End
scenic path
how fast would a speed run be considered?
shell ice
on fists
scenic path
that does sound strong
shell ice
well you can check https://www.speedrun.com/hades, though do note that the run videos will naturally have spoilers
scenic path
i've "finished" the game already so shouldnt have spoilers
static wadi
@scenic path did u have epilogue?
shell ice
well there may be some postgame spoilers but they probably shouldnt spoil too much
scenic path
well, since its all finished it shouldnt matter too much
and wow these runs are fast
shell ice
the main thing i guess would be ||being able to use your Chthonic Companion on the Hades fight?||
which isnt much of a spoiler by itself
scenic path
i had a 19min run with 2nd aspect bow and thought that was really fast
high island
Sub 15 with Malphon would be decent.
pulsar bridge
Well, I was just thinking that Aphrodite's cast wasn't working correctly with Hera's Aspect.
scenic path
do god runs even exist in hades?
young pelican
scenic path
static wadi
heat is spoiler btw in this channel
scenic path
srry
shell ice
well, there is certainly some luck in seeing the boons you want to see (preferably at a high rarity), and also in specific rooms (you want to see a lot of chaos gates and fountain chambers for example, since they basically skip a combat)
as well as the infamous ||sack RNG||
scenic path
ah yes rng
rng matters in nearly everything tho
i always try to go for combat rooms since i mainly use a specific keepsake that needs me to clear rooms quick
shell ice
"seeded" runs are a thing, where the run is basically scripted from the start using a predefined starting point (seed) and some fancy RNG manipulation
scenic path
which makes me scale better
shell ice
i dont think anyones mapped out a seed for 1.0 yet
scenic path
seeded runs? how do you even type in a seed tho
scenic path
3:51 damn
shell ice
instead, you make a copy of the save file on a specific seed
scenic path
i see
shell ice
after rerolling a lot for it
scenic path
i had a run and quit midrun and then i started game again and got the same "seed"
cuz i got the exact same items/rooms/rewards
shell ice
yeah, exactly
there are things that change the seed mid-run, such as spoken dialogue or using your cast
or even breaking pots
so these runs are very well planned out
hence why no one's done it for 1.0 yet
it takes a lot of time
shell ice
Definitely!
plain cloak
where da bug repots channel at
static wadi
f10 ingame no?
plain cloak
oh right
onyx wave
Question is there a certain path with hermes that I need to do to unlock bad news? its the only legendary I'm missing
flat vapor
do you have stygian soul on?
you need to have stygian soul on, get any cast related hermes boon, and then you'll have a chance at it on your second (or third at styx shop)
bright ember
Tisiphone be like https://youtu.be/RYgiLFRcW3A
scenic path
lmao
scenic path
m-mur
haughty raptor
video of what bro
brisk trail
hades
haughty raptor
heelllll ye
haughty raptor
so much fun
void vigil
please post this in #self-promotion instead! @brisk trail
brisk trail
sorry!
scenic path
i do like 2-3 hades runs a day cuz work 
haughty raptor
lucky borb
lunar cypress
It only just occurred to me to check if there were a Supergiant Discord and, lo and behold!
weak wharf
what are the best casts for hera?
brisk trail
m-mur
@scenic path derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?
flat vapor
i personally go trippy shot with both duos
haughty raptor
behold!
lunar cypress
But like uh. I really really dislike shielded enemies; is there anything that pierces their block reliably?
haughty raptor
bombs?
flat vapor
hammers that say they pierce, artemis cast and aid
otherwise you just have to bait them out and hit their back
lunar cypress
Wait, art cast pierces?Oooh
worn kite
For Aspect of Hades spear, does the damage increase from the spin effect boon damage? For example, if I put Doom as my attack, spin-hit an enemy, and then hit them again, will the Doom damage from the second hit be higher from the first hit?
flat vapor
the doom is a separate damage source, not your attack directly
so it wouldn't be affected by the hades damage boost
worn kite
Oh so the debuff from AoH spin just effects base damage of attack and special then?
flat vapor
yep
worn kite
Yeah, it does not increase spin damage
flat vapor
it's best with gods that give damage modifiers, instead of gods that do separate damage sources
so artemis, athena, aphrodite, poseidon, ||demeter||
worn kite
Yeah I had tried doing Artemis special with Doom on Attack
for large AoE doom and then special spam
I kept dying when I did Artemis ~~special ~~ attack and was too aggressive, but then again I am not too good lol
flat vapor
i find hades spear best with divine strike and artemis special, so when i find a hammer i can switch to either an attack or special build without much change
flat vapor
this is an easy lead into deadly reversal, and since it's very easy to deflect with the big spin, you can crit big time
flat vapor
so spin to debuff and deflect, and depending on your hammer, use your critical attack/special and go to town
proper quiver
I maxed out Dusa's affection but didn't get the "bond forged" screen or the mark in the Keepsake... do I need to keep talking to her, or is that a bug?
proper quiver
oh, not yet... guess that's it then
flat vapor
yeah, unfortunately it's rng when you'll actually get that scene
worn kite
Dusa has uhh...what?
proper quiver
just thought it was strange since every other character was as soon as I gave the last ambrosia
flat vapor
so just keep playing
worn kite
that's, uhh, interesting
balmy panther
Anyone feeling some strange behaviour since the update? Feeling like there's a lot more enemy spawns and I'm getting very low rarity on boons.
COuld be I'm just having terrible luck
flat vapor
that's, uhh, interesting
it's quite sweet imo, you'd have to get the scene to understand really
worn kite
When does ||Thanatos|| show up in the House? I have done the ||kill challenge against him|| twice, but he is still not popping up in the house.
raven vale
No event to proc him specifically, just shows up randomly
worn kite
well damn
raven vale
It's like this with most npcs
scenic path
i just hate it when i need a certain npc and they never show up
flat vapor
he should show up after you see him, but like other house npcs, he has a chance to not appear
static wadi
@worn kite usually when you encounter Tomatos till the run he appears in the House
lunar cypress
Some ARE a bit too "rare" I find
scenic path
tomatos
raven vale
This is really insulting lol
clever karma
Howdy
worn kite
Where does he show up? I have looked around after 5 different runs and havent found Mr. Tomatos
clever karma
Stupid question probs, but where would i go for advice for fighting bosses?
static wadi
@clever karma #h1-builds-and-combat ofcrs
clever karma
ofcrs?
clever karma
i'm confused but uh sure?
static wadi
yes
lunar cypress
What determines a "perfect catch"?
raven vale
really fast reel
lunar cypress
Wow, it must be ABSURDLY quick cuz I'm pretty good at that in games
raven vale
0,5 sec or so
static wadi
0.35 sec as i heard
lunar cypress
Okay that's a little. Unreasonable but good to know. Anything to uh, help with that?
robust jasper
Did they patch the bug with the first talent?
raven vale
if you hear the splash hit the button immediatley, dont wait for the visual
robust jasper
Fiery presence I think itâs called
plain cloak
everything about the lava level makes me feel like a total moron
walking on lava tryign to get onto a boat
walking into slow moving purple waves
every time i get hit in the snake boss fight is embarrassing yet I am so bad lol
vernal obsidian
Good night
static wadi
sup
twin gorge
Hi everyone, just a little questions about the weapons :
||After revealing (not buying) the Guan Yu spear, how much exactly do I need to invest in other weapon to activate the corresponding dialogs ? Guides say 5, but does it take in consideration the titan blood already used ?
As an exemple : I want the Arthur aspect for the blade. If I buy the 2nd aspect of each weapon, using 5 points in total, activating Achilles dialog to make the Guan Yu spear appear (still to buy?), should I use 5 more titan blood in the sword, or just 4 ?||
Thank you so much for your help ! 
(feel free to tell me if there's a better chat for that)
hard pawn
You have to buy ||Guan Yu|| afaik
static wadi
@twin gorge read pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion
and what reason to hide all message in spoiler
jade crescent
hidden aspects are considered spoilers
static wadi
@hard pawn i mean if he hide ALL message i cant tell what is about
twin gorge
Ok, should i delete then ? Thanks for showing me the pinned explanations
hard pawn
I mean the first line says âhidden weaponsâ
lavish hill
hey someone there
jade crescent
someone here
lavish hill
how are you ?
jade crescent
great
urban kestrel
Whatâs the name of the song that was rejected for having too many notes?
static wadi
?
flat vapor
the song is ||the unseen ones||
urban kestrel
Thank you! Thatâs what I figured. I already bought it but forgot the name
plain cloak
minotaur horns can't be dashed through? i just dashed through him on his long slow charge and died on the other side of him instantly
urban kestrel
Itâs one of my favorites
flat vapor
the charge can be dashed through
i'm thinking you either got hit by one of the waves that shoot from his charge, or you dash striked and lost your i-frames
hard pawn
He shoots shockwaves out when heâs under half hp
plain cloak
also in general if you have deflect on strike, does that cancel/parry the damage and you can face tank that way? or do you still have to get out of the way
hard pawn
itâll cancel most damage but the timing is rough for melee attacks
flat vapor
i wouldn't place your bets on getting that perfect deflect timing imo
it's much easier to kite into a wall/pillar
plain cloak
yeah asking mostly for other fights, like can I, idk, stand there punching with deflect punch and parry normal guys attacks
with perfect timing can I parry the big guys slams at the start of the game for example
I get deflect messages on them all the time but I wasn't ever able to not take damage if I just stood there
indigo shard
brisk trail
Depends. Different people play differently. I'm doing best with Shield.
hard pawn
âeasy modeâ would be shield, but that doesnât really matter; everyone is best with a different weapon
undone tide
Is the recent patch live for switch?
lunar cypress
I feel like the ||Aspect of Chiron|| has oddly variable uh, effectiveness, of the homing...
hard pawn
it has a very strict range cutoff
plain cloak
hmm, I don't think you can deflect attacks directly hitting you and parry them to take no damage. I just dash-attacked with dash reflect on, through a dashing fury and took damage
plain cloak
I dash attacked so I shouldn't have had iframes, so normally I would take damage there
grand summit
Ooooooo
grand summit
I see. Does the "dash being active" overlap with the "dash attack being active" window?
I'd guess that they might be programmed as separate actions, even though the word "dash" is in both.
E.g. when your dash attack starts, your dash ends.
rain cedar
I need a tiny bit of advice: I was playing on 12 Heat and all was fine and so I decided to go to 16 to try for the 2nd statue, turne don 'forced overtime' and it feels like the game turned from 11 to 100! I suddenly don't even reach the last world anymore. Asterius in particular, a mini Boss that was one of teh easiest in the game before I felt, suddenly absolutely demolishes me! And I have no real idea why... Forced overtime just said enemies attack a bit faster...
Anyone have any idea or advice here?
I feel like I just keep ramming my head against this wall with no progress and need some outside input
ebon sleet
do you have forced overtime + the other one that increases damage
if so youre double dipping
rain cedar
yes
rain cedar
Before I had (+20% dmg, more enemies, more enemy health, middle management, Elites have 1 ability, Extreme measures 3)
that SHOULD be 12 or 13
and I just added Forced over time
ebon sleet
move and attack 20% faster, then you have +20% damage on top of that
rain cedar
like I added other modifiers before
raven vale
"+20% dmg, more enemies, more enemy health" this is waaaay hard for 16 heat lol
ebon sleet
7 minutes per region is actually really easy
raven vale
you can get away with it much more easier
ebon sleet
7 minutes per region free heat
rain cedar
"+20% dmg, more enemies, more enemy health" this is waaaay hard for 16 heat lol
@raven vale ok I just added like incremental stuff piece by piece that seemed relatively low impact
ebon sleet
first region i have like 1 minute left, then by the time i reach elysium i have +10 minutes saved up
rain cedar
what would you suggest?
raven vale
sec
rain cedar
Except for extrem measures I know it's not super low impact but it's just fun ^^
rain cedar
I do hate the 'ghost clone' ability when you get a room full of casters I know that 
ebon sleet
raven vale
rain cedar
I recently had a melee run and the real caster flew to teh corne rof teh screen above lava wgile his ghosts wrecked me ^^
ebon sleet
i hate lasting consequences
rain cedar
Convenience fee max... really? It always seemed so important to buy stuff!
ebon sleet
shrug
raven vale
It isn't đ
ebon sleet
with 15% gold and no starting i reach styx with 1000+ and just buy the couple things i need
rain cedar
And I agree lasting consequences just feels bad I rather add damg control there
ebon sleet
i dont shop along the way
raven vale
Well, everything sucks a bit, but trust me, more enemy, more hp and more damage are the worst
rain cedar
huh
raven vale
just even if you think about it
ebon sleet
TD is the easiest one i think
rain cedar
I'll have to try that. Thank you you two â¤ď¸
ebon sleet
gl
raven vale
More hp is extra sucky cause effects bosses too
rain cedar
Seems I kind of stacked my pact and forced overtime acted as a multiplier
let's see tomorrow
rain cedar
This helped a lot. Gn8 guys
jade crescent
I dislike damage control when using the bow or hera aspect gun because they are meant to be super bursty
that 1 bonus hp shield negates an entire 300 damage
raven vale
Sure, works best on fast weapons
hard pawn
you mean Hestia gun?
jade crescent
also I don't think the more enemy/more HP matter that much especially at lower tiers, although with tight deadline you might have an issue
yeah hestia,
plain cloak
game really wants me to use shattered shackle, have had 3 cursed runs in a row with no boon for primary/special
tawdry flower
I use both on < 10 heat runs because Chiron Bow with max arrows a Poseidon/Artemis special doesnât care about initial damage being ignored
jade crescent
ah for sure with chiron bow, what does the artemis special do?
tawdry flower
Boost damage (small amount) and gives you increased crit chance
jade crescent
I think secret bow would also not have any issue
hard pawn
Secret bow would have issue, that thing is slow as balls
hard pawn
Oh they bounce
jade crescent
(unless im mistaken and that was a hammer)
mossy lily
đ¤ 
jade crescent
we didn't mention the name of the secret aspect OR what it does, so no we didn't spoil anything
static wadi
u do
scenic path
|| i feel like excalibur/aspect of arthur is op af ||
using spoiler should be fine
so many spoilers in game aaaaa
static wadi
artemis rail?
thick ledge
im running the ||aspect of eris||
static wadi
there is no such weapon
static wadi
eris aspect?
thick ledge
aspect of eris is the one where you get buffed when you motar yourself
scenic path
but i like having artemis boons on it
static wadi
@thick ledge try support fire
and Zeus or Dio attack
mb ares if u sure u can find stackind and longer doom boons
thick ledge
yea definitely my worst weapon, but i want to get its hidden aspect + get higher heat clears with it
i'll try so ty
jade crescent
eris aspect but with hazard bomb
jade crescent
ah if you dash and hit yourself it still registers?
livid tundra
imagine trying to show that video to someone who knows nothing about hades
jade crescent
when I first got hazard I was doing 120+ damage rockets and was so worried I would one shot myself
livid tundra
nonstop purple cloud đŠ
primal merlin
Is there a channel to report bugs in this discord? I cant use F10 because the game crashes when I do it
livid tundra
the bug report channel closed after 1.0 came out, but i'd look in #h1-tech-support
static wadi
try #h1-tech-support
intresting thing
When u use Hera aspect
and have Chaos curse for using cast
u take dmg when u release ur casts with AA
but when u have boon from demeter
for aoe chilling blast for using cast
u proc it every time u load the cast into bow
jade crescent
ye pretty wack
primal merlin
Thank you!
static wadi
gl fixing ur problems
scenic path
chaos curses be wack
"Take 4 damage every time you attack"
might as well give me a perma DoT
radiant pumice
They do eventually pay off.
radiant pumice
I sadly can't play the game, but I wanted to talk about it with folks. Love the lore, character designs and everything.
scenic path
why cant you play the game?
radiant pumice
Hope it'll become a series or something.
I don't have the hardware to play it.
:c
scenic path
rip
hoary canopy
Facts
radiant pumice
Very true.
I'd love to see other Olympian gods at some point in the future.
I love listening to the dialog.
static wadi
alas
scenic path
dialogues are nice to listen to
static wadi
i wanted to see gefest
scenic path
im a simp for artemis so i always choose her boon if given the choice
hoary canopy
Me too me too
radiant pumice
I'd love to see Hera.
Zagreus has to save his Uncle Z. from some other stupid mistake.
static wadi
vengeful moody illogical
scenic path
foreign to greek gods
radiant pumice
Vaguely.
static wadi
he was a hunter
great hunter
and Artemis friend
and when he won her in the hunt
she killed him
gritty tulip
Guys could anyone tell me how to unlock weapons secret aspect?
radiant pumice
Some other Chthonic gods like Hecate would be cool to see
static wadi
@gritty tulip read pinned message in #h1-story-discussion
static wadi
most of greek gods are like that
radiant pumice
They're petty and fickle.
radiant pumice
Isn't that how we got Medusa?
static wadi
and she killed her for that
radiant pumice
She was angry at the lady despite the fact that she was the one being raped.
scenic path
they're gods, they can do whatever they want
scenic path
i wish there were games like hades but instead of greek mythology, there was chinese mythology
it would've been nice but alas thats but a dream
static wadi
well i do not know much about chinese mythology
scenic path
nyx is 
scenic path
i wonder how the gods even managed to beat the titans in the first place. but this is going off topic
radiant pumice
They worked together and beat them.
brisk trail
I'm slightly annoyed that the rug in front of ||Administrative Chamber|| isn't quite lined up to the door, in fact, way off....
sand stump
i am just curious about why they remove Wringers from survival?
strong knoll
I really like how diverse the gods are on Hades.
static wadi
13 lvl Dio cast ftw)
strong knoll
Which I'm not sure if any other Greek Mythology portretal has ever done.
scenic path
i dont care about diversity, i just like the combat aspect of the game
well its not like greek gods were made with the aspect of diversity
strong knoll
I mean yes, it isn't the main reason why I'm into the game, but I thought it was nice.
mortal snow
is there any chance of new weapons being added in the future? Thanatos' Scythe looks awesome and i think it would be a cool weapon to change up gameplay
static wadi
@mortal snow i do not think we will have anything new since it's 1.0
mortal snow
well i guess ill just wait and see if they have any big plans
hard pawn
Yeah, unfortunately it does seem like they donât plan to continue the game
radiant pumice
What makes you think they don't have any further plans?
static wadi
reaching surface with secret fist aspect
radiant pumice
Just out of curiosity. @hard pawn
barren ocean
Poison rats are the worst thing in this game
sand stump
the last post in #announcements seem to imply so
scenic path
well im already waiting for a new game then
static wadi
@barren ocean [Hypnos voice] Did you try not to come closer to them and their poison?
radiant pumice
Ah.
scenic path
just dodge ez
radiant pumice
Well at this time. I think we could possibly see something in the distant future perhaps.
brisk trail
That announcement doesn't imply that at all đ
barren ocean
I mean its sitting in its pool of poison
Dunno how im suppose to dodge that when using malphon
XD
brisk trail
@barren ocean yep, imagine having great runs all the way up to ||Styx||, and get rekt and lose all Defiances against puny rats -_-
this channel proved to be a vital part of our Early Access development process.
implies that there will be a post launch development process đ
barren ocean
I did that exact thing @brisk trail đ˘
scenic path
for rats i just try to kill them faster than they can use . their poison
the longer they live, the more poison on the ground
brisk trail
armored rats, satyrs, gorgons = ight imma head out
static wadi
patrokl trinket helps a lot vs poison btw
brisk trail
I almost never use other trinkets on that region except Skelly's.
Patroclus' mostly on Elysium
scenic path
i used skelly when i was still new but after a while it becomes useless
mostly use shattered shackle or feather
brisk trail
What's Hydralite's effect again? I forgot
static wadi
hp regen every room
brisk trail
Ohhhh
scenic path
im gonna start using || persophene trinket || for more scaling
brisk trail
Tomatos? đŽ
scenic path
i've been stacking alot of dodge recently
tawdry flower
||Persephone|| is around 10-13 poms
static wadi
Yes Tomatos you know that anime blond guy with a scyrh
scenic path
i can end up with nearly 80% dodge by the end
with the hermes call boon ofc
otherwise not
tawdry flower
You hit 9 after third boss
brisk trail
Ohhh
scenic path
is it really that useful tho
tawdry flower
Why are you calling him Tomatos and not ||Thanatos||?
narrow canyon
i had an idea for a hammer upgrade for rail
scenic path
oh the % scaling is much more than feather
scenic path
i was assuming it was 1.2% at 3 stars
narrow canyon
but i think it would be a cool one
tawdry flower
1.2 per room
static wadi
2% lvl 3 afaik
narrow canyon
"old tf2 pistol"
scenic path
but tomatos gives 2% hmmm
narrow canyon
ties your fire rate to how fast you click
fringe kernel
quick, someone with the privileges add a â¤ď¸ to the latest #hades-feedback so we can show our love!
brisk trail
Btw my Sisyphus RNG is very low. Rarely met him. While other characters already have at least reached 4-5 hearts, he's still at 2.
scenic path
i hate fates
brisk trail
Nice one đ
scenic path
fate and chaos are 2 sides of the same coin but fate is so much stronger
brisk trail
They be pulling their strings hard
static wadi
chaos is stronger but he doesnt interfere
brisk trail
Eh wait... Chaos gave birth to Nyx, Nyx gave birth to the Sisters of Fate, so.... grandchildren?
scenic path
chaos dialogues said that chaos can only make small changes to fate and thats about it
scarlet ice
i didn't know they could change fate at all
i thought they just sort of spectated everything
scarlet ice
*they
static wadi
in big way
scenic path
isnt that exactly what chaos wants
static wadi
yes
brisk trail
Just because they can, don't mean they would. I think Chaos role here is more like the Watchers on Marvel universe
scenic path
he is the literal aspect of chaos
scarlet ice
they seem to take pleasure in speculating more than actually changing anything
hexed smelt
well, chaos in greek mythology was more of the void state preceding creation, is my understanding at least
their role as a passive observer rather than an active pot-stirrer makes sense in that case
brisk trail
Yea, hardly an entity, more like a state/continuum
scenic path
fair enough
cuz in other myths, chaos type aspects take initiative to make things happen
tulip ocean
just upgraded the ||hestia aspect of gun|| to max
scarlet ice
there are a couple places in greek mythology that could be interpreted as places or deities i think
static wadi
greek mythology is very complicated
well as supposed to be for ancient mythology
i mean even Zagreus himself
has very lot of versions
i like how it was made ingame
brisk trail
in some iterations, Hades also means the entire underworld itself
static wadi
i mean his domain was calles his name
sweet heart
||honestly the games amazing i jus wish that made the post endgame less repetive like maybe adding community voting on a new aspect, hades boons, and lots more||
narrow canyon
add old tf2 pistol hammer upgrade for rail
i want attack speed tied to click speed
so i can employ my insanely high gamer apm
ivory estuary
Is the wiki correct about how to unlock the ||Guan Yu|| spear? So you need to spend at least 25 total? I.e.||To meet the unlock requirements while spending the least amount of Titan Blood, invest 5 Titan Blood into 5 different weapons with 1 Titan Blood each in non-Zagreus aspects (eg. Sword-Nemesis, Spear-Achilles, Shield-Chaos, Bow-Chiron, and Fists-Talos)||
granite ether
Please spoiler tag 4th aspects @ivory estuary
That includes the naming of || Guan Yu|| btw
Ty ^_^
ivory estuary
Okay, now that I did...
The wiki phrases it strangely.
So you need to... 1. Spend 25 blood. 2. Spread across 5 weapons. 3. On non-zagreus aspects. 4. And on those 5 weapons, at least 1 on every non-zagreus aspect for it?
granite ether
The unlock conditions for ||guan yu and the other 4th aspects || is pinned in #h1-story-discussion
ivory estuary
That sticky is even vaguer than the wiki...
||Aspect of Guan Yu. Acquire the Fated List, unlock at least 5 other aspects, and fight Hades at least once (outcome is irrelevant). Achilles should tell you more in a conversation soon after that.|| What does that mean? ||5 other aspects of... any weapons?||
granite ether
So tl:dr ||unlock 5 aspects (this implies non-zag aspects), fight dad once (outcome doesn't matter) and have the fated list of minor prophecies (which you buy from the contractor)||
ivory estuary
||So I can spend 1 blood on five different 1-blood cost aspects and that'll be enough??||
scenic path
Yes
granite ether
Yes ^_^
ivory estuary
Thank you.
tawdry flower
Chiron Bow and Magnet Fist are pretty fun.
ivory estuary
Also the wiki is phrased terribly in that regard...
granite ether
The wiki is made and updated by fans, so can't speak for its quality throughout
For what I've used it's mostly good, just not up to date in a few areas
scenic path
Itâs pretty useful
granite ether
I mainly used it for boon pre-reqs but now ||the contractor sells a thing for a boon list in game|| I've almost never used the wiki
narrow hemlock
I honestly have no idea what stuff still needs to be updated, I'd need like. a list that we can chip down
there's been a lot more people contributing since launch thankfully but it's like. no one can update stuff they don't know is outdated
granite ether
In that you're dash strikes will do more damage yes, no, you won't lose the shattered shackle buff if that's what you're asking
I haven't checked the wiki in a few weeks because of the ||in game boon list|| so I don't know exactly what needs updating there
granite ether
Just a quick look @narrow hemlock the prereqs of the duo boons need to be looked at, 5 seconds in and ||deadly reversal|| still has athena dash as a prereq (which is no longer the case)
narrow canyon
my man sisyphus is the only help i need
granite ether
||Merciful end || also does 40 combo damage not 50
narrow hemlock
@granite ether thank u aggy, if u see more feel free to throw it in my dm and i'll check when i have a chance 
past hazel
whats the luck on getting 2 duo boons in the same choice
wild forge
I'm currently stuck on a specific quest, is this the best place to ask the question?
narrow hemlock
here or in spoilers
granite ether
Will do ^_^
agile fractal
I FINALLY finished my first run
ocean kayak
lucid stratus
this game succeeded up my expectations upon every front
immaculate is the best word for it
visual portal
So uh, during me walking around the house I found Dusa's body kinda glitched out and frozen in the hallway for some reason
So I then decided to take a screenshot of it 
Then she poofed
tawdry flower
That was part of a patch they mentioned
serene raft
is there a more desirable npc to keep my ambrosia for?
or is it more of a preference thing?
indigo nest
oh
vapid narwhal
||Aspect of Guan Yu. Acquire the Fated List, unlock at least 5 other aspects, and fight Hades at least once (outcome is irrelevant). Achilles should tell you more in a conversation soon after that.|| What does that mean? ||5 other aspects of... any weapons?||
@ivory estuary Yes it means ||any 5 aspects||
north ocean
I'd like to know a thing about ||rerolling doors||. Is it random? ||I wasted all my 7 rerolls on an elite Ares door, kept switching between Dionysos and Demeter ._.||
serene raft
thanks a lot
indigo nest
its random I thinl
vapid drift
it's semirandom
the first two-three uses will cycle through all of its possible options
past that, it'll repeat options previously shown
if you throw like, eight ||rerolls at a door||, you might get a new result but like, don't do that
flat vapor
at some point you just need to accept the fates' designs
lucid stratus
i still havent used any ambrosia for anything other than converting to titan blood
i just want to play with new toys
tawdry flower
@lucid stratus you might want to with ||Dusa, Meg, Thanatos, Sisyphus, Achilles, and Skelly||
lucid stratus
im familiar with the mechanic i just wanted to level my new toys first
thankfully i'm about done with that other than chrion bow
brisk trail
anyone else play in EA and had a noticeably large decrease in performance after 1.0
i weirdly cant seem to run the game all that well since launch
idk if they just upped the demands of everything or if i need to reinstall or something
lucid stratus
id try reinstalling
lunar cypress
Or verifying cache
north ocean
I think it has to do with the latest update of today
Played 100h+ in the last two weeks with at most a handful of performance issues. But today since the patch, stutters everywhere.
arctic oasis
@brisk trail I didn't play EA, but I've played a couple hours of today's patch and haven't noticed any frame drops. (But I'm also running it on a 2080ti).
mortal dawn
Any skilled Hades streamers I can watch? I already have Haelian
dusk mantle
I only know Haelian
pulsar maple
Jawless Paul maybe?
dusk mantle
Oh yeah heard of him
plain cloak
Jumps into dark hole
I bear the Chrono Trigger
brisk trail
Jerds hosts speedrun races.
dusk mantle
I'm going to try use controller today.
sharp fossil
i do that occasionally
it goes like this:
-tries to use controller
-is bad âcause iâm not used to it
-encounters power couple (yes itâs always power couple
-ânah screw it imma do this fight KBMâ
-this is a KBM run now
pulsar maple
controllers feel bad to use in every game for me lol
sharp fossil
lmao
mortal dawn
I mostly play FPSs so it's KBM for me in every game
sharp fossil
oh yeah; controllers are genuinely great in certain contexts, but i do not understand how people FPS with them
dusk mantle
holding down controller key to use shield bash feels weird
rest seems kinda okay
not sure why lol
mortal dawn
I play bow 90% of the time so controller sounds like a bad choice
livid tundra
My brother keeps trying to convince me to use the controller, but I'm already so used to using keyboard n mouse (not to mention that ||im at a streak of almost 40 escapes, and dont wanna risk it just bc of inexperience tbh||)
dusk mantle
I never play bow, but I'm kinda struggling with Sword and Fists
brisk trail
quick question: what run did you get Lucifer on?
ive done 50 run with all aspects unlocked and atleast lv 1, 2 for hidden aspects
but still no Lucifer from Zeus
or did the way to get Lucifer get changed in 1.0?
lunar cypress
The reload bind is just...why
sharp fossil
auto aim probably makes now controller not too bad
dusk mantle
Shield is still the easiest for me.
candid bolt
just got it at like 47
livid tundra
I'm the best with the bow, of all the infernal arms
pulsar maple
maybe it was a certain number of nectars pumped into zeus first
sharp fossil
The reload bind is just...why
@lunar cypress rebind all the things
dusk mantle
@sharp fossil yeah shield really is the easiest
mortal dawn
The bow is the one I do best on because Chiron is really good
And really simple
And really easy to force a build with
sharp fossil
canât speak for controller, but thereâre several baffling choices they made for default KBM
Q for special? really?
livid tundra
ironically, i end up taking the most damage with the shield, but thats just bc im reckless đ
dusk mantle
I rebinded some of the keys. Q for special feels quite bad.
mortal dawn
Special is right click by default, no?
dusk mantle
No
pulsar maple
cast is right click
dusk mantle
I too changed special to right click
pulsar maple
I rebound special to a thumb key on my mouse
candid bolt
ig if you have extra mouse buttons using keyboard and mouse isnt that bad
dusk mantle
but I use shift for dash and space for cast.
pulsar maple
I forget which weapon was using special often enough to force me to make the swtch
sharp fossil
yeah iâve got special on a thumb button also
pulsar maple
mighta been gun
mortal dawn
I use side mouse button for reload with Hestia, otherwise it's my cast
brisk trail
for me the weapon ranking is
shield>fist>spear>bow>sword>rail
Rail scale really really slow, you need to get lucky and land a rare on the attacks of dio or demeter in order to make the attack strong enough
mortal dawn
And I use F for call
pulsar maple
yeah F for call feels fine
sharp fossil
ig if you have extra mouse buttons using keyboard and mouse isnt that bad
@candid bolt honestly pretty much this
dusk mantle
Rail is so insanely low dps, it's frustrating. I guess once upgraded it will be a monster
sharp fossil
i could prolly throw together a mapping that made no thumb button KBM bearable, but argh
mortal dawn
It would definitely be not as nice
pulsar maple
I feel like Q works when you're not really thinking of special
mortal dawn
If anything you can bind shift, it's not used in this game
sharp fossil
Rail is so insanely low dps, it's frustrating. I guess once upgraded it will be a monster
@dusk mantle try zeus
lucid stratus
i just prefer an analog
brisk trail
they really need to buff rail
i mean its basically a very weaker version of spear
the attack speed is not enough to make it even as good as spear
lucid stratus
but mouse would probably be easier to aim with
sharp fossil
rail isnât bad lol
pulsar maple
The hidden aspect of rail seems like it totally flips it from something I don't like using to something incredible
and also, that daedalus hammer that gives infinite ammo? whoooo, the possibilities
mortal dawn
Btw KBM players, when you use rail, does your bomb sometimes go nowhere where you aimed?
sharp fossil
or just get cluster bomb+rocket bomb
brisk trail
any other rail that isnt Lucifer is just so bad on midgame dps
and even if you get to endgame, the dps might not even that good
sharp fossil
but you donât need a special focused build to make rail viable
sharp fossil
srsly try zeus
candid bolt
the arrow on attack mixed with hangover is really powerful with rail
sharp fossil
couple of other things that can work, but if you havenât tried zeus on rail you havenât lived
brisk trail
tried it already, even with zues
its nothing compare to most other weapon with Zues
brisk trail
i dont think a weapon that require a legendary to be good is a good weapon
what you are saying is Rail is very RNG-based weapon
sharp fossil
it doesnât require it
lucid stratus
just telling you a good build for it
vital wren
Rail is the best for Zeus. Jolted makes it so good
sharp fossil
thereâre other builds that work, anyway, like merciful end
lucid stratus
i made hangover on special work with cluster bomb
rail seems versatile enough to me
brisk trail
i mean even with that legendary, how are they even as strong as litterally almost any weapon with Zeus's legendary/build?
non-Lucifer rail are just really Really slow even with Zeus
sharp fossil
hangover on attack can also be great, since you stack really quickly
brisk trail
and i still cant unlock Lucifer yet and its 52 run already
sharp fossil
um, rail is one of the top weapons for zeus
itâs objectively not slow
bullets everywhere
*non hestia rail, i should say
pulsar maple
idk I feel like if I'm gonna use rail for its speed, I could just go for fists, tank a bit more damage, and do 3 times the damage in return
lucid stratus
75% dmg for 10 seconds is pretty crazay
brisk trail
slow on the scaling not the gameplay, but it cant even deal as much damage with zeus as something like most spear or chaos shield
pulsar maple
especially if I get lucky and get that daedalus hammer that gives fists big range
sharp fossil
yeah that eris ability is amazing
itâs more and more crazy to me that they actually buffed it lol
chaos shield is not high for dps lol
brisk trail
the only thing where it remotely good is to play risky and put on the 300% damage but can hurt self upgrade for non-lucifer
sharp fossil
itâs great because of survivability, but in no world can it outdamage rail
lucid stratus
rail can cut survivability and such
brisk trail
still though can anyone tell me the condition to unlock Lucifer?
or do i keep on restarting and put on Zeus' boon and wait for him to just give it?
lucid stratus
thats what i did eventually
floral shore
You need ||Guan Yu|| unlocked and five blood invested in the Rail. After that it's a random conversation with Zeus.
If it's not coming you might want to reset the seed at some point.
sharp fossil
not sure if this is what you meant, but donât restart with the âgive upâ option in the menu
it resets the game state, so i donât know that you can use it to cycle story dialogue
brisk trail
so just die
sharp fossil
yeah pretty much
brisk trail
let them kill you or something
sharp fossil
if you really wanna get it as fast as possible
brisk trail
what rail do you use except Lucifer? the 2nd one?
floral shore
Rail aspects are all pretty good.
Hestia is a bit of an acquired taste and Zag really needs one specific hammer to shine, but when it does... boy does it.
Eris is probably the best general all-around Rail aspect, yeah.
brisk trail
and bow?
i like Chiron, it feel more like a gun than the rails
floral shore
I don't like Hera, otherwise the other three are all fine.
Zag is pretty good on it's own, Chiron is quite powerful if ranked up and Rama is a beast that a lot of people don't seem to like much for whatever reason.
brisk trail
aspect that combine with bloodstone just feel kinda weird to play
lunar cypress
I wish Chiron's homing wasn't so shortranged but it seems nice
brisk trail
i also like Rama, big boy damage all day
floral shore
Hera is alright, it's a still a crappy bow without the stones available but a crappy bow is still fine.
I just don't like playing it much.
brisk trail
i mean what would you even put on the cast if its on aspects that use bloodstone?
still zeus?
floral shore
For Hera?
Dionysus is the big one.
The lob mechanic can be quite disruptive and Hera just turns it straight into a ranged bomb.
brisk trail
so it create 3 smoke on hit or something?
brisk trail
tried the blade rift cast on Hera once
scale too slow, maybe my RNG was bad
sharp fossil
they just fixed the hera aphro bug
so itâll be interesting to see how that plays now
brisk trail
oh yeah i was wondering too how Aphro would interact with hera
sharp fossil
the casts used to miss what you shot lol
it was bad
but apparently they fixed it in the latest patch
brisk trail
this game probably got as much dialouge as a AAA game
sharp fossil
lol yeah itâs pretty great
brisk trail
is it me or Rama feel like it charge faster after a dash? or is it start charging right as we press the attack button e so its still charge during that dash-anim?
yea that's just the dash attack
oh yeah the damage is lower
sharp fossil
yeah all bows charge faster when dash attacking, but do less damage
itâs generally a good idea to fall into a dash attack rhythm whenever possible
particularly with zag bow, the others have their own things going on
brisk trail
fist wise, how do i build Gilgamesh?
cause feel like Demeter is somewhat stronger
sharp fossil
merciful end seems to be the consensus
ares attack, athena special and dash, ares/athena duo
granite ether
yeah Merciful End, because fists and Merciful End are a match made in hell the underworld
brisk trail
is fist worth taking Arena's special? since the attack range kinda small
what's Merciful End? the hammer upgrade?
granite ether
a duo boon between Athena and ares
sharp fossil
yeah athena special is garbage, but you need it to get merciful end
granite ether
abilities that can deflect immediately proc doom
brisk trail
havent even gotten that yet
sharp fossil
you wanna proc ME with dash instead
pulsar maple
Athena special is garbage??? My impression was that everything Athena has is absolute gold tbh
though I can see with slower, less often used specials it being bad
sharp fossil
sorry, to clarify: athena special is garbage on fists
sharp fossil
unless youâre going for merciful end, in which case itâs required
brisk trail
wait, which doom will it proc if you have more than 1 doom?
maybe ill try a revenge build someday with vengeful mood
pulsar maple
though now that that's been brought up, am I wrong about Athena being a tier above every other Boon god? that's how it's felt every run
there are some runs where I feel really terrible if I don't get Athena in the god pool
brisk trail
athena dash and Call really are top tier
not so muuch for attack or special aside for certain weapon
sharp fossil
when you hit an enemy effected by doom with an attack/special/dash that deflects, it instantly activates the doom
brisk trail
oh so the sword drop down instantly or something?
pulsar maple
The call has always felt like it's her absolute worst boon to me
sharp fossil
so if you have multiple dooms running, and you hit all those targets with the same deflecting ability, all the rooms will activate
pulsar maple
And the attack has always been my favorite
but that's just because I don't like weapons that it would be bad for I guess
sharp fossil
i like her call
might be cause iâm bad at dodging
but yeah, if you had to point out a âbestâ god, itâd be athena
brisk trail
Athena provide tons of survability
so its kinda understanable that many will rank her highly
sharp fossil
but her boons arenât always the best in every situation
and thereâre fantastic builds with no athena in them at all
pulsar maple
Poseidon + Zeus đ
eager path
Aphrodite is best girl
brisk trail
yeah i got Poseidon attack+ Zeus special and Athena dash
the run was so eaesy
pulsar maple
Poseidon dash feels like it nullifies the only issue I have with any enemy that isn't final boss, that being poison in Styx lmao
dash or attack I guess
sharp fossil
athena dash can also be great for that
me? poisoned? no no, it is you who is poisoned
pulsar maple
Athena impervious after damage boon has been awesome for that too
I'm fairly certain that having that boon actually means you want to be poisoned lmao
I haven't experimented a whole lot tho
sharp fossil
and their own poison does a hilarious amount of damage to them lol
brisk trail
Athena dash nullify too many disadvantage that it just top tier
some people just hate on it because its popular
its one of the only boon where i accept being just common and not uncommon or above
blazing narwhal
eh
high island
I've never seen anyone hate on Divine Dash.
pulsar maple
Athena dash + that epic Hermes boon which gives you +3 dashes is just crazy
never not dashing
brisk trail
then you shouldn't go on Reddit
blazing narwhal
relentless volley and athena flourish is also pretty good
high island
That's probably true either way. 
brisk trail
oh one more, does legendary or Duo affected by the rarity drop of that boon?
like is the chance higher on more expensive/elite-wave boon?
violet bolt
Quick question - will the cross-save functionality planned work for Switch -> PC or is it just for PC -> Switch?
blazing narwhal
ooh i'm actually not sure, might look into the scripts for that
undone tide
we hope to have the latest patch including cross-saves out sometime in October. we can't say exactly how the implementation will work yet but hope to cover as many cases as possible like the one you describe
from the devs regarding cross saves
violet bolt
Thanks
lament hawk
can someone give me a quick explanation of the heat-requiring hell rifts? Should I always be trying for these? (AKA are they additive to my total # of boons/rewards or do they replace something)
blazing narwhal
can someone give me a quick explanation of the heat-requiring hell rifts? Should I always be trying for these? (AKA are they additive to my total # of boons/rewards or do they replace something)
Only if you're like sure sure you can do a no hit clear.
deep marten
The rewards you get in the rifts are better
Better rarity boons, double the amount of obols
Double power poms
lament hawk
Ahh okay, that's what I was looking for, trying to figure out why the risk was worth it
blazing narwhal
||and onions||
brisk trail
wait so Chaos and Rift count as a room or not?
deep marten
Also a nice bonus is that you get 3 exit choices out of the rift, meaning you have better chance of getting good rewards, rather than being forced to take a darkness/gem room
lament hawk
Ahhh
gaunt dome
chaos and infernal gates count as rooms
blazing narwhal
they're probably both counted as chambers, i think side hustle triggers for both rooms
brisk trail
does Chaos and Rift count as a room?
like if you take it, do you have less room before you reach the boss?
gaunt dome
yes
brisk trail
If you take Chaos or Erebus Gates right before the pre-boss free item/shop, you will extend the run by one chamber.
The game forces a free room before every boss.
pulsar maple
Ahhh yeah I was thinking that
I thought I had taken a chaos before the pre-boss shop
brisk trail
Is it just me or is gold chariot thesus easer than normal thesus?