Oh maybe that's what I'm thinking of lol
#h1-discussion
slate nymph
remote lily
what games are similar to hades
@coral orchid West of Dead, Curse of the Dead Gods, Othercide (tho, its turn-based rogue-like)
slate nymph
I did mean Curse of the Dead gods
remote lily
Dead Cells, The Binding of Isaac
slate nymph
Realm of the Mad God does look interesting, but definitely not what I was thinking of at the time.
quartz flume
Wow, othercide looks crazy
remote lily
it will be on switch in 2 days
its also hella hard turn-based, to the level where they just announced easy mode haha
slate nymph
Rogue Legacy and Children of Morta are both similar in the roguelike genre but have different kinds of mechanics.
Noita is a pixel based roguelike with really awesome pixel art and physics.
remote lily
Eldest Souls
and ScourgeBringer-- rly like this, and waiting for switch version too, October 21 release ( little over 1 month)
coral orchid
slate nymph
Depends on what you're feeling, those are pretty different. If you want something more fast paced with with quicker runs you can do in a relatively short amount of time, Gungeon is good. If you're feeling like investing some time and getting more into a game Hollowknight. Def more a fan of Hollowknight myself.
void vigil
for video game talk unrelated to hades, please move to #video-games!
drowsy valley
Hey guys I read the faq on console availability and was wondering if they have an exclusive deal with playstation and Nintendo for the current console release? Xbox user here patiently waiting to throw my money at the screen.
Before anyone posts the quote from the faq. I want the communities opinion
rough token
afaik they don't have any exclusive deals (and I highly doubt they will). They have some arrangement to put Hades on the Switch, but I haven't heard anything about the Playstation.
drowsy valley
Nintendo loves them exclusive deals
rough token
Considering the game is already on another platform, I don't think Nintendo can get an exclusive deal
drowsy valley
I'm guessing one of the reasons they haven't decided to release on Xbox is the Xbox is notorious for difficulty importing
In porting*
Also I think Xbox charges more for the certification process
rough token
They haven't announced that they won't--they just also haven't announced that they will
¯_(ツ)_/¯
drowsy valley
We will probably get it 6 months after. It took undermine forever to release on Xbox
I'm hoping the sales numbers are good on it for the rest of the consoles cuz I usually means a good chance of it coming to the other ones
rough token
@fast sundial (from #hades-feedback ) While not exactly what you're looking for, you can make the game save by walking into another room--you'll see the autosave icon in the top right.
And @ Joker, dunno. I don't have an XBox so not particularly invested in that lol
drowsy valley
Understandable
Will supergiant be releasing any sale metrics to the General Public after a month?
fast sundial
ah, was not sure how the auto save worked thanks
rough token
I do think the game saving on exit while in the House of Hades could be a nice QOL thing though
crude hazel
Honestly, I'm happier if it doesn't.
rough token
so that it's not confusing with saving during runs?
crude hazel
Yes, but also.
I've accidentally bought Trader stuff so many times because I spammed dash.
And quit out to save my stuff.
rough token
xD fair
fringe garnet
@crude hazel did you move dash to R2? i did that and had the same problem (until i moved buying stuff to the (Xbox) A (Playstation) X button
crude hazel
It's on space bar.
rough token
yeah, "dash" doubling up as "select" is kinda annoying >.>
crude hazel
I can understand why they did it.
fringe garnet
i really, really wanna try combining the hidden sword aspect with the ||excalibur-exclusive daedalus upgrade|| with the Dionysus/Athena "calculated risk"
crude hazel
So the option to quit out of the house of hades is nice.
fringe garnet
has anyone done that yet
crude hazel
Almost certainly.
rough token
|| which upgrade? There's more than one ||
fringe garnet
to my knowledge there's only one ||exclusive to Excalibur, and it's the one that increases your defensive aura radius by 75%||
am i missing one?
rough token
no, I'm just remembering wrong
fringe garnet
i imagine you can just build a little pillow fort in every encounter
hang out
throw brilliant riposte on that build
and baby you got a stew going
remote lily
I'm guessing one of the reasons they haven't decided to release on Xbox is the Xbox is notorious for difficulty importing
@drowsy valley SGG are indie Devs, they can not do many versions at the same time. Nintendo is a console which loves indie and rogue-likes sell like cakes on the console. So its not surprise they picked it first.
The new engine which was introduced in latest patch is cross-platform engine. So its just matter of time when they will release it on more platforms. The Engine is 3th party engine (The-Forge) and it supports all consoles (PS5 and XSX too), and even iOS, Mac and Android. Of course the fact that it supports all these platforms doesnt mean we will see all these versions.
For now the only platform beside Windows and Switch which we know will be is Mac.
We know that from QA as they answered that it "should" be released in similar frame time as previous games did.
fringe garnet
Saw this Reddit post about "the math:" https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/intqbe/is_this_a_bug_with_the_spear_aspect_of_zag/ and a comment has me thinking.
What would folks think about a stat screen that breaks down your totals (damage, crit percentage, damage reduction, etc.) showing a source for each thing?
rough token
it's been asked for in #hades-feedback once or twice
fringe garnet
i personally like the idea but i could see others disliking it
remote lily
@burnt breach, idk how is the status for the stats. Did you released it yet, or still working on this?
brazen delta
Question for the ||Sisyphus||, ||Eurydice||, and ||Patroclus|| quests: is there anything I'm supposed to be doing besides just advancing dialogue? They all mention contracts of some kind but I can find nothing in the ||Admin Chamber||.
rough token
@brazen delta You also need to speak to || Nyx ||
brazen delta
Ah so I have to advance dialogue with them?
rough token
Sure thing o7
brazen delta
Got the ||locked heart||
burnt breach
@remote lily probs dropped
mellow bridge
I'm always confused by when "attack" in a description means just your attack or your attack and your dash attack. for instance pulverizing blow says you attack hits twice, and Empowering flight says after your special hits your next two attacks deal +80% damage. now do one or both or neither of those refer to your dash attack as well? im pretty well sure the first one is just your attack and the second is both but that's from experience not from any kind of logic
certainly things like the boons that buff your attack and give it an effect like chill affect your dash attack
brazen delta
Good point
There's a lot of wee confusing things like that
But I don't think there's an easy way around it
mellow bridge
and it makes a very big deal sometimes like right now because my only other boon on this run is a dash attack buff from artemis so whatever i get had better go well with that
brazen delta
Maybe for all boons that affect both they could say Attack and Dash-Strike in the descrption
Basically treat them as two seperate things at all times
I believe all status effects affect both
mellow bridge
i dont think there's very many that only affect attack so for those it could just say "your attack (but not your dash strike) ..."
brazen delta
true true
either works
I just think it would make things less confusing to treat them as two seperate attacks
Same as Attack and Special
narrow hemlock
im just seeing this but heads up @ anyone utilizing the wiki, esp if you want to edit, but its going read-only mode some time in the near future bc gamepedia is doing Stuff(tm) https://help.gamepedia.com/Gamepedia_SEO_migration_(UCP)
flat vapor
dash attack is an attack bc you press the attack button while doing it
hammers are the only upgrades that distinguish between attack and dash attack, because it needs to to even work
which could be clearer in-game, tbf
narrow hemlock
in fairness theres honestly a lot of stuff that could benefit from being more clear ingame
you only have to look through feedback and see that
flat vapor
boons don't need to specifically call out "attack but not dash attack" because it's already assumed that dash attack is an attack (which also could be clearer in-game)
honestly hades could take a clue from pyre and have definitions you could mouse over
tacit carbon
Actually there are boons that specify between the two also. Namely Artemis.
rough token
specifically, there are boons that specify dash-attack
flat vapor
those boons specify "dash attack"
however, when boons say "attack" they mean both attack and dash attack
of course when "dash attack" is referred to, it only means dash attack
gusty slate
And then Fists have dash upper sometimes too
mild sun
anyone have tips for the aspect of zeus on Aegis?
I'm struggling to use it, compared to Aspect of Chaos or Zagreus
rough token
@gray tundra (from #hades-feedback ) that's most likely a bug--afaik you shouldn't be able to double-up on bindings
brisk trail
Hermes any day
sharp fossil
athena any day
kind moss
i had a trial of the gods, hammer, and chaos choice that broke my heart the other day
sand stump
and there is a Chaos in the conrner
keen parcel
Hey guys, how do you unlock the last aspect of the Fist Infernal Arms?
fading gazelle
Hmm good question.
It's not out yet
4th aspect of fists will be coming out on v1.0
sand stump
“Later this year”
granite ether
fall 2020 is the release window
sand stump
Fall mean Sep-Nov?
fading gazelle
Yes
granite ether
yeah
fading gazelle
So that means it could possibly drop right now 
granite ether
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/456894163292520448/745312433530339369 the message and associated 1.0 trailer in which the fall/autumn (spiring for southern hemisphere) launch window was announced
hazy hatch
you ever hit the tartarus exit with 2 boons and no hammers and decide you are just not in for a good time?
keen parcel
4th aspect of fists will be coming out on v1.0
@fading gazelle Awesome thank you
gray tundra
@gray tundra (from #hades-feedback ) that's most likely a bug--afaik you shouldn't be able to double-up on bindings
@rough token Yeah... I'm gonna enjoy RT reload/gift double-up it while it lasts ^_^
rough token
xD
oak pier
Furthest chamber: 52
10 hours on record
eyy im probably pretty decent at this game
And only earlier today did I realize that I could upgrade my weapons.
I thought Titan
Blood was just a currency
tacit carbon
Is there no legendary aspect of the fist?
void vigil
Nope, it’s coming in 1.0
tacit carbon
Thought maybe I just hadn't unlocked it yet. . . Which I suppose is also true. :)
golden knoll
I just realized that the green is Artemis's hair and the brown is like a fur she's wearing.......
All this time I thought the brown was Artemis's hair and the green was a hat..............
fringe garnet
Is "Greater Consecration" not a fated list of minor prophecies Deadalus upgrade on purpose? Not sure if I should report this on feedback or not
rough token
That is intentional. || None of the 4th aspect-exclusive upgrades are on the list ||
fringe garnet
ahhhhh i didn't realize more than one had that
brisk trail
hey, why is there a padlock on the seven heart ? (for relationship with the characters)
viral rover
The lock indicates you need to progress through something before you can gift them anything more
brisk trail
can we do it in this update for every character that have a lock?
raven wadi
Yup, if the heart has a clock on it, it's something that cannot be done yet (but will in 1.0)
brisk trail
okay thanks!
brazen delta
The boon trees are gone from the General Info post on the subreddit, what's up with that??
granite ether
They're pinned in the #h1-builds-and-combat channel
trail path
do you guy recommend keyboard/mouse or controller
fading gazelle
I'd recommend kbm for the sole reason that i'm very comfortable with it
But a few people would suggest both
It seems effective
lavish tree
I don't get it why people downvote all feedback about changing current state on rerunning on same seeds or giving up for new seed
It's roguelike, it should be random. I even think that seed should include current unix time, so it's never ever repeated, even if player wants to
Why have it the other way?
flat vapor
why not have a way to keep a seed and get a new seed, instead of getting rid of the way of keeping a seed for a minor convenience at best
raven wadi
So what's the difference between giving up and killing yourself?
flat vapor
there are myriad benefits people find from Give Up keeping your seed, and killing yourself for a new seed isn’t exactly hard
raven wadi
Is there a stated reason behind Hades not using what most other randomly generated games do - a single fixed seed at the start?
lavish tree
@flat vapor I find getting new seed through dying very frustrating , as you have to wait, see and feel how bad that run was, after, again, frustratingly wasting some time struggling to kill enemies, failing to get Plume/Butterfly bonus, rolling only bad boons. I love how this is done in FTL, where I can refresh run in single click and instantly forget the pain
Also the point is, being able to rerun same seed and route it isn't very fair to people that never rerun, as their accomplishments on random seed can seem not as good in comparison to what can be done with routed, scouted and perfected run
I've posted a feedback on it a while ago, proposing to add interface to run set seeds, but creating a mark about it on victory screen
So that everyone's happy
raven wadi
But that's okay. Just have some notification somewhere that it's a seeded run. Maybe don't allow darkness/gems to count on a seeded run either. Many games with achievements disable them for seeded runs
lavish tree
Yeah that would be nice
raven wadi
The only reason someone would be playing seeded would be for speedrunning, or practice.
lavish tree
Also higher heats
raven wadi
I would imagine that a different heat level would affect the seed - but maybe not
lavish tree
Btw in Minecraft there're two speedrun categories - set seed and random seed :)
raven wadi
Same for all randomly generated games
^ that have seeds you can view and enter
As it stands, it seems odd that people are manipulating a seed with dashes or summons before opening doors, as it's allowing seeded features into a seedless run
defeating the point of it being seedless
lavish tree
Never heard of it, how does that work?
raven wadi
As far as I understand it - When you give up, you keep the same seed. If you were to follow the exact same actions as the previous run, everything would be the same.
People have found a way to manipulate this by casting, dashing, using summons (even when the summon won't work) so they essentially have the same seed each time
This means they know the room layouts, awards, etc all beforehand
raven wadi
You can even save your game, and share the save file with other people. They will have the same seed as you
A new seed is generated when you beat the hydra, so as long as you 'give up' before the hydra you can play the same seed over and over
I may be wrong, this is what I've just learned
lavish tree
A new seed is generated when you beat the hydra, so as long as you 'give up' before the hydra you can play the same seed over and over
@raven wadi I believe this comes from ancient times when there was no Elysium yet, and probably not true in current version, but this is purely my speculation
raven wadi
It's still a thing as far as I can tell
lavish tree
Oh so it's easier to have a new run, noice
raven wadi
What do you mean
slate jetty
I think seeding is really complicated and not something an average player would really care about
lavish tree
@raven wadi If I feel bad about my run, I can just give up and not wait to die
After Hydra
raven wadi
Yeah. but you could do that anyway. As seeds are made on the fly, unless you happened to do exactly the same each time you'd end up with a different run anyway
lavish tree
Hmm
raven wadi
The only thing that would be the same is the first room reward
viral rover
And also the first room's next room, but that's pretty small potatoes and rolls still roll
raven wadi
I'd prefer it if there was just a clear delineation on seeded or not seeded - but I'm no speedrunner
agile saddle
So is Zag and Thanatos together canon in game since none of the other max bonds are relationship oriented?
latent nacelle
Well what about ||Meg and Dusa||
flat vapor
||that's false, because meg and dusa are relationship orientated||
agile saddle
||but Dusa literally says she doesn't love you like that and only what's to be friends. Meg or more of less the same way but Zag literally straight up asks Than if they are together and he says yeah.||
narrow hemlock
my opinion is it's canon if you want it to be, since the player is given the choice not to pursue it
fading gazelle
It is possible for ||only,both or neither Than or Meg to be canon.||
narrow hemlock
someone else may turn down than and go for meg and consider that "canon" because zag and meg have history. so it's largely up to player interpretation
I consider any of the options as much canon as you can consider any one route of a romantic visual novel canon. they can "technically" be canon since they're all a choice given to the player, but the player can choose alternate options
pseudo lark
RNG in a computer isn't truly random. When you "get a random number" you're really just stepping forward through a predetermined sequence of numbers. That means that if you can track the number of times you've called for a new number, you can figure out where you are in that sequence.
When you walk through a door in Hades, a few things happen:
- The room you entered, including the tile, enemies, and boon rewards, are generated
- The next rewards are semi-decided (for example, Poseidon is chosen but not the rewards he'll give you)
- A new seed is generated based on a combination of your current seed and your RNG value, and that new seed replaces your current one.
When the doors unlock, your rng value is reset to the value it had when you walked into the room. This means that any calls that you made during the duration of the encounter don't matter.
There are a few manipulations that we know have a fixed number of calls:
- A cast landing on the ground causes 1 RNG Call
- Breaking a pot causes 1 RNG call
- Summoning causes 2 RNG calls the first time you do it, and 1 each time after that
- Charon groaning at you causes 1 RNG call
There are others, but those are the most commonly used
Because our RNG resets when doors unlock, we can 'step through' the next rooms/rewards by testing a value, then reloading the save and testing the next value, and so on, until we find the 'perfect' next chamber. Then we do that for each room, until we have a route from start to finish.
Here is an example of a route being executed borderline perfectly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpDS4RJIcE0 Every single thing that happens in that run was predetermined, and Vor just had to manipulate it into happening.
Seeded vs Non-Seeded is something that we're working on distinguishing for the leaderboards. The problem we run into is that no matter how we cut it, you can't 100% verify that a run is unseeded. Kane, who used to do a ton of routing, had a run routed that used almost no manipulation, beyond taking the correct doors. If he spent more time on it, he could have gotten it to look completely natural. Because of how strong a route is compared to an unseeded run, a routed run would completely dominate the unseeded leaderboards, and we would have no way to prove it was routed. We're looking at a bunch of different solutions to the problem, but for right now we're holding out for that 1% chance that SGG just solves the problem for us somehow.
remote lily
Real random will be possible with quantum processors.
pseudo lark
That doesn't solve Hades routing though
unkempt sleet
Would dying and then starting a seed be a good enough way of clearing up if the seed is random or not?
In other words, does dying generate a new seed every time?
pseudo lark
That's the current placeholder for a real solution, yes, but the issue is that you can just mod the game to not reroll the seed when you die
Because of how much of the RNG is in the lua scripts, anybody can do whatever they want. For example, we have a mod that lets you pick your exact starting boon down to the rarity of each selection. If you just hardcoded it to start with that seed, you could die as many times as you want and you'll keep getting that same start
And because there's no indication at the moment for whether a game is modded or not, you can't really tell whether somebody hard coded their start or not. And if we made them die twice they could just make a list of seeds to step through. It's a really hard problem to solve, and our end solution will never be foolproof. At some point it will come down to just trusting people not to cheat, but we want to make it as easy to trust them as possible
unkempt sleet
Basically you need a HK style mod loader and custom start interface
That way you can check what mods are on and that the seed is generated randomly (maybe by generating it directly from the interface)
pseudo lark
The problem is that you can mod the mods, and then make the generate button just give you a seed you want it to give you.
The assumption that we're working with is that seeds cannot be trusted to be random no matter what. Even unmodded, Fresh File can be routed by setting your system clock to a specific value when you generate the save file. Nobody does it, because it would be miserable, and also nobody wants Fresh File to be routed. But in theory, it's possible.
Also, I keep seeing all over the place that beating Lernie regenerates the seed, but that's not true. When you Give Up, your seed stays the same no matter what. Even if you've beaten the final boss, you can still Give Up to keep your seed and start over.
unkempt sleet
At that point you might as well make tools to make routing easier
pseudo lark
Oh I have been
I'm working on a full-on routing tool, but that's what we're using in the meantime
unkempt sleet
It's way too much of a hassle to keep an unrouted seed legitimate
Literally sending checksums of your files isn't even enough if you put enough time into it
pseudo lark
The issue is that a lot of people don't like routed runs. The popularity of the All-Weapons and Fresh File category kind of proves that, and the fact that only a small handful of runs posted for Any-Heat and 32-Heat are routed.
unkempt sleet
It might be better to see how the community evolves during the lifetime of the game. It's my personal opinion that at some point people will start routing naturally just for the sake of competitiveness, and by then maybe we'll have better tools to combat cheating.
Actually, one thing
If you have a set starting seed, can you replicate a different seed that somebody else got by dying in that first seed?
pseudo lark
In theory, if you die at the exact same RNG increment, but the chances of that happening are slim to none, since you can't die outside of encounters (that I've ever seen) and anything happening during an encounter increments RNG.
unkempt sleet
You can die in the shops in Asphodel, but that's besides the point
pseudo lark
Oh that's true
unkempt sleet
If you have tools that check the RNG increment and your method of checking if someone is routing remains dying in the first room, you can check that by loading that seed, doing nothing, then dying. That should get you the same seed.
pseudo lark
I forgot about lava damage
unkempt sleet
If someone has found a seed and routed it without using mod or changing the code, he needs an award anyway. Maybe a different one tho
pseudo lark
The problem is the first room is horrible in terms of RNG. That's the reason a lot of runs even on the same seed don't end up being the same past the first room. Each time a shade decides where it's going to walk to, it increments RNG
And you can route the entire run without mods, we just use one that displays the RNG increments while creating the route. Then once you have the route, you can run it without the mod on, as long as you follow the directions
Did you watch Vor's run? He got a 3:51 in-game time, with a completely unmodified game
unkempt sleet
I didn't but I think I get the gist
Well, sounds like you need TAS mods to start a seed and that's not exactly feasible
pseudo lark
Have you run a route? I hated it when I first got into speedrunning, but there's something immensely satisfying about having things all come together.
unkempt sleet
The thing is, you only need to route once, then you can share seeds and instructions
pseudo lark
The actual process of creating the route is miserable, yeah, but so far all the routes that people have made, they've been sharing the directions and save files and stuff
unkempt sleet
Only in the case of Hades you also need some godly execution because if you give too much space to shades your RNG changes
pseudo lark
For example, if you look at the Resources tab of the Speedrun page, Vorime posted a word document of every step of the route, as well as snapshots at the beginning of every chamber, so you practice individual rooms as much as you want
There's actually a part in the route where we kill every single shade in a room because we want the RNG to be predictable
unkempt sleet
God the worst RNG changing enemy is the Skull-o-mat and it's in the first two biomes
pseudo lark
Well see, that's the great thing. When doors unlock, your RNG resets to the value you started with, so you don't have to worry about anything that happens during combat
You only need to worry about anything that has happened from the moment the doors unlock
pseudo lark
The little ghosty bois in shops and NPC chambers, yeah
unkempt sleet
So you always skip Sysisphus because the amount of shades there is gigantic
pseudo lark
Nope, we always take Sisyphus, because he pauses the timer
That's the room we kill all the shades in, before picking up the reward
Because if the shades are all dead, when the doors unlock, the RNG doesn't increment anymore
unkempt sleet
Hm
pseudo lark
NPCs, Thanatos, and Survival rooms all pause the timer, so we take those every chance we can
pseudo lark
Yep, it's one of the problems people tend to have with Any-Heat being measured in IGT. It makes sense to me to have it be measured in IGT because it's essentially the final word on how fast you went, but it's definitely a weird disconnect between "fast" and "lowest time"
unkempt sleet
You have a very accurate loadless timer, why not use it
pseudo lark
If you're interested in the speedrunning scene at all, you should join the discord. I dunno the etiquette on posting discord links, so you can just find the invite on the Speedrun page sidebar
oak pier
Imma treat the cast ability like the hokuto's bow from dead cells
I'm thinking its pretty much the same thing
crude hazel
For the record, it wouldn't be hard to confirm if people aren't routing in a speedrun or high heat challenge run.
Just have all recordings need to include an unbroken recording of the run immediately before it, where you died.
So each run starts with a death and no reloading.
kind moss
still doesn't
crude hazel
Thus, the seed is guaranteed to be fresh.
kind moss
mods
crude hazel
Mods?
kind moss
there's not really a way in any client-side game to guarantee it
pseudo lark
Verifying unseeded sounds simple at first, but we haven't found a single solution that we can trust 100%. It's just such a difficult problem to solve. Again, at some point it will come down to trusting the community, but we want that trust to have to extend the shortest distance possible
kind moss
all you can do is try to make it as hard as possibl
pseudo lark
One solution we've thought of is a Discord bot or website or something, where players request a seed, and must submit a run within an hour of that seed being provided
kind moss
for that seed?
pseudo lark
Yes
kind moss
how are you proving they're using that seed thouhg
pseudo lark
And maybe requiring the player to stream it on Twitch for the duration of that process, so we can compare livestream time to seed generation time
We'd have the seed, so we could load it on our own and verify we get the same start
kind moss
are you gonna hand-verify every one?
pseudo lark
That's what we do now
crude hazel
If there was an in game display that showed the current seed, at least optionally, that would go a long way.
pseudo lark
That can be modified to display whatever seed you want
crude hazel
Stupid mods. Ruinging everything.
pseudo lark
Assume that anything in this game, you can make it show whatever you choose
kind moss
i think the issue with that is the amount of burden it places on the speedrunner
pseudo lark
yeah, that's the issue we run into as well. We want the barrier to entry to be as low as possible
kind moss
getting a mod installed, being part of the discord and getting a new seed every time
pseudo lark
It's a pipe dream, but I plan to at least attempt to make a mod that will request a seed and load it for you automatically
crude hazel
Couldn't people alter that mod though?
pseudo lark
Yes, but we'd have a log of all the seeds generated, and we'd be able to confirm that our start matches theirs
That doesn't exactly help with further chambers, since they could theoretically hard-code every seed after the first, but it would close that distance to trust them a little bit
lapis leaf
Just dropping in to say I agree w/ everything Museus has said and I'm confident we'll find a solid middle ground between verifiability and ease of use for an unseeded leaderboard come version 1.0
fringe garnet
one thing you could require
is have folks screencapture their desktop. navigate into their Hades directory. open whatever files to prove they aren't running mods. run Hades.exe from the directory. game launch. no cuts allowed.
?
i havenot thought this through very much so im sure i'm missing a loophole or technical challenge
lapis leaf
If anything is changed, it'd be inside several thousand lines of lua code, unfortunately that's just not viable.
crude hazel
Just start every session by verifying the game cache. Would that work?
fringe garnet
!
That's a Steam-only solution, I think (rip folks on Epic) but I think that would work
pseudo lark
Scripts are loaded in when you select a save profile, not when you launch the game
If a user wanted to they could run the modloader in the background while they're on the main menu, and then load their save and it would be modded
I also think that you can mod the game mid-run, then the next time you Quit/Give Up you'll load into a modded game
trail path
Whats your favorite weapon? Just bought the game today and unlocked the shield, bow, and spear.
trail path
I tried the shield for a bit and wasn't the biggest fan
jade kindle
spear > fists > shield > sword > railgun > bow
pseudo lark
For base weapons:
Sword by a mile > Fists > Shield > Railgun > Spear > Bow
raw flare
Any ideas when we gonna get a 1.0 ?
I hope it's around the corner with a Halloween update
brisk trail
will we get the ending(or whatever is after the end) with the 1.0 by the way?
brisk trail
nice thank you for the info
latent nacelle
I have the easiest time with Shield>fist>sword>railgun>spear>spear
dusk edge
For me its Fists>Spear>Bow>Sword>Shield>GUN
I just cant make gun feel good outside of certain hammer upgrades, first acts go pretty well then last two eat me alive
dusk edge
exactly, but without that i constantly forget to look at my ammo count and get caught click clicking furiously at enemies
viral rover
I found that until I rebound the reload to a spare mouse button, that made things feel more fluid as I could easily reload as I moved. Also playing Hestia aspect like the old Mega Slug upgrade
dusk edge
i personally dont mind R3 being reload on controller, like i said, its a more personal issue with me just not paying attention to ammo lol
viral rover
I get that, it bothered me for a while too
spare sparrow
Is there a downside for using 'God Mode,' other than it makes the game easier?
crude hazel
Nope.
flat vapor
god mode is purely beneficial, there’s no “gotcha” effect
spare sparrow
That's nice.
narrow hemlock
consider god mode an additional way to adjust difficulty. it's not necessarily "easier" as the only thing it does is give you more % dmg resistance. like.. it is but isn't easier? because everything from pact of punishment still works as normal and such, and depending on your skill the extra reduction only makes you die less quick lol, if that makes sense. so it's more accurate to say it just adjusts difficulty more since it gains % when you die
narrow hemlock
80 and no
flat vapor
it's 80% damage resistance
narrow hemlock
nothing wrong with that
jade kindle
I kinda want to challenge myself to beat the last boss at least once without god mode but at the same time I want to get the rewards
Renovations aren't going to buy themselves
crude hazel
They're pricey. And so many of them.
fringe garnet
wow i hate the bow.
for me, fists > spear (aspect of achilles) > shield > sword/rail > bow
fringe garnet
i love how different we all are
that shows you how good of a job SG has done making everything genuinely different with strengths/weaknesses to suit different playstyles
crude hazel
Shield is really enhanced by Shield of Chaos and the hidden aspect being so very fun for me.
spare sparrow
Sword > Spear > Bow > Fists > Shield > Rail
I really don't like the reloading aspect of the rail. If it was gauranteed infinite ammo each run it'd be my #1
brisk trail
The triple special upgrade means I dont even have to shoot
spare sparrow
It's just... I don't know. The aspects for the rail are also wonky. Having to stand inside your own Special, manually reload, and detonated the special seems really clunky compared to the other aspects.
fading edge
shield > sword > spear/fists tied > bow/rail
sorry let me fix that. shield >>> sword >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest
rough token
ye
vast junco
ye!
agile saddle
@spare sparrow I hate the rail
slate nymph
I have a special place in my heart for the rail because the first time I used it was the first time I got through Asphodel and actually made it all the way to the final boss.
I think my list would be Fists > Shield > Rail > Sword > Bow > Spear
ebon hazel
Anyone know if theres an image collection of all the decos inside the house? some can be kinda hard to see what some look like from the just small icon
tropic quiver
hades steam achievements sort of kind of up currently
wait what?
vast junco
likely testing having them up on steam just in general before 1.0 is live whenever
you can't unlock them, and they have no images
just names and descriptions
jade kindle
im very much hyped
vast junco
right?
tropic quiver
thorn of thanatos is pretty hard...
agile saddle
Mine is hera bow > Hades spear > Demeter fists > Arthur sword > chaos shield >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new rail aspect
tropic quiver
they must be pretty close to 1.0 huh
ebon hazel
I hope steam achievements are retroactive
vast junco
Mine is currently: aspect of hades >>>>> the others
tropic quiver
i hope
vast junco
i bet many will be, especially for prophecies
so we won't have to start a whole new file and work those up again, etc.
agile saddle
I used to love the guan spear till it was nerfed into the ground
ebon hazel
its also kinda funny opening the game and seeing a billion achievements pop up
vast junco
recently had that happen when RoR2 went 1.0 lol
tropic quiver
looks like ending achievements and thorn of thanatos are all i wont have
ebon hazel
yeah
jade kindle
I love achievements so I'm like!! Yay!! Something to work for!! I love it!!
its also kinda funny opening the game and seeing a billion achievements pop up
@ebon hazel true! I had 50 achievements pop up one time and I was like 👀
vast junco
some run-specific ones i can see being non-retroactive, like selling a legendary boon or using greater call against the god in a trial
which is fine because those can be fun anyway
tropic quiver
oh and max each keepsake
ebon hazel
yeah I can see those ones not being retroactive, but yeah i bet most story/progression ones will be
jade kindle
using greater call against the god in a trial
About this, ||you can't actually use a god call against themselves, right? ||
jade kindle
Ya
dire perch
"Cousin are you insane?!?"
jade kindle
I love when that happens
dire perch
It's so funny.
jade kindle
Me: loves Athena's boons
Also me: always goes against her in a trial
vast junco
lol same
dire perch
same
vast junco
her gimmick is just so easy
agile saddle
Aphrodite call can be dodged? I used a max call on Asterius and as I did he did his jump and it just kinda did nothing.
dire perch
there are like 2 gods I'll never go against
vast junco
used to be a pain in the past, though
dire perch
poseidon and aphro
jade kindle
poseidon and aphro
@dire perch For me it's Demeter and Aphro
dire perch
I just hate homing attacks
poseidon's is a perpetual wave that multihits
so 1 wrong move and book 100 dmg
vast junco
aphro's homing heart can be killer with maxed hard labor and FO2
jade kindle
I challenged Aphro ONCE and regretted it
dire perch
aphros just does so much dmg
agile saddle
Zues trial is my no go. The zaps are so hard to dodge cause there is no pattern
dire perch
zaps suck too
remote lily
Aphrodite can be destroyed using Athena boons
dire perch
but they dont do base 80 dmg
lavish tree
aside from Aphro and Poseidon, worst is the Dionysus
agile saddle
Ares and Athena trials are easy mode
dire perch
is dionysus bad?
lavish tree
for me yes
vast junco
dio's kind of depends on the size of the room itself
it's pretty easy to deal with on large asphodel maps, for example
plenty of room to spread the pools and avoid them
dire perch
elysium too
agile saddle
The problem with Dio is how fast the damage ticks
kind moss
athena sucks in elysium
lavish tree
spoilers channel always gets me. every time I think "okay I've seen everything now", go to that channel and instantly regret it
agile saddle
How come some enemies can curve attacks mid attack? So irritating
Like fully change direction
narrow hemlock
funny calling ares and athena trials easy and missing the easiest trial of them all
jade kindle
👀 ?
brazen delta
Question before I take it: if I take the Double Nova Daedalus upgrade for Stygius but I have a knockback Poseidon boon equipped, does it negate that?
Double Nova says that it makes it so your Special no longer knocks back foes
I got it and it doesn't get rid of the Poseidon knockback but the knockback is significantly less
pseudo lark
As best I can tell it keeps the enemies from being knocked outside the nova, but they do still get knocked away from you a bit. It's the only time I'll consider taking a Poseidon boon on sword
brazen delta
I'm only doing it cause trying to do a Poseidon-only run
I only just noticed the art for Achilles is slightly see-through, I wonder if that's the case for all Shade characters and I'm just too dumb to have noticed in 70 hours of gameplay
brazen delta
weird
narrow hemlock
dunno if thats meant to signify anything or is just a stylistic choice or something
flat vapor
it might be a change in style, since eurydice and sisyphus's portrait weren't added until deep into early access
meanwhile achilles was here since the beginning
brazen delta
Are ||Theseus and Asterius|| transparent?
narrow hemlock
no
brazen delta
yeah I was pretty sure ||Asterius|| isn't
flat vapor
hm
brazen delta
Didn't both of those characters have placeholder portraits? Did they come at the same time as Achilles?
flat vapor
guess eurydice and sisyphus are just more wholesome
||orpheus's portrait and patroclus were added later in early access||
maybe it signifies something extremely deep about those characters, or something
brazen delta
Could just be an oversight
I'm gon pop it in #hades-feedback just in case
uh oh, looks like StyxBot ain't workin
narrow hemlock
aggy got it
sees aggy also listening to bastion ost 
seems like styxbot has been going down often lately now that i think about it
fringe kernel
rip styxbot?
rough token
apparently
hmm
looks like it's still down from a bit ago
Chaaron got the last one, looks like they already know about it
rough token
they just added them, they're currently being tested
last bobcat
right
last bobcat
i was ingame and i thought 1.0 had launched - and steam was up-to-date but my game wasnt or smth
granite ether
keep an eye on #announcements, something will be posted there once a concrete release date is known
last bobcat
yeah that also gets fed directly into my server
i'll know when it happens
I just didnt consider that there would be discord pings but good point
midnight thunder
i played 15 min on first release then held off till content complete - is it safe to return or did they say they would add more content after 1.0?
midnight thunder
oh man i thought 1.0 was already out, i clearly wasnt paying that close of attention. Thanks i'll check back in a bit. cant wait to play
last bobcat
pretty sure they said the contrary. I think Greg said in the noclip interview that major content updates won't come after 1.0
rough token
that's what I said--nothing planned for after 1.0 :P
last bobcat
yeah i was trying to agree
rough token
^.^
last bobcat
the contrary of adding after 1.0
midnight thunder
I'm sure they will put out a what to expect or road ahead type post on/around 1.0 release, i'll check it out
rough token
ahh, I follow
sand stump
Is there a condition for Chaos legendary? Or it is purely random?
rough token
you need to || have already gotten at least one other Chaos boon ||
sand stump
I believe i have done that ages ago
So after that it is random like the other legendary
sand stump
Also is it needed to ||conect Nyx and Chaos||?
sharp fossil
it isn’t, i did that after
rough token
for the Legendary, no
sand stump
Oh ok
I ||release Opheus before Sisyphus|| and I dont even know when the later will trigger
rough token
you don't need to do them in a specific order so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fading gazelle
I assume the new achievements can't be earned atm and are just there for show?
kind moss
wait aphrodites max life + boon should apply to centaur hearts, right?
fading gazelle
Thanks Swan 
rough token
sure thing!
rough token
well
@kind moss , it does say only for Chamber Rewards
I don't remember for sure if it applies to bought Hearts, though I think it does
ig probably worth reporting just in case lol
rough token
yeah, for whatever reason Than hearts don't seem to get the bonus
vast junco
life affirmation does affect hearts purchased from shops
rough token
thanks for the confirmation on that ;)
sand stump
how do I || earn the 1st of Skelly prize?||
rough token
@sand stump || look at the bottom of the courtyard ||
sand stump
Oh it is ||so big, I wonder how I missed them||
rough token
|| no worries, I had to ask as well 
||
viral rover
||they were cunningly hidden by a sheet! Very elusive||
craggy grail
If you clear a run at heat 5, but the highest you have done is 3 so far, do you get the heat 4 bounties?
rough token
Yup, you do
You get || the rewards for the lowest uncleared heat for that weapon, as long as your current heat is at least that much ||
brazen delta
Is it actually possible to only get boons from one god?
rough token
Yup
brazen delta
Weird
rough token
I remember one person who managed to only get Athena boons, though I think he got forced one non-Athena boon in || Styx || because of some bad luck
brazen delta
Been playing with Poseidon's keepsake, must have rerolled rooms at least 8 times, still reached the end with only 4 Poseidon boons (not picking up those from any other gods)
rough token
But he very easily could've gone all the way through
brazen delta
Really feels like the RNG was against my favour
rough token
Yeah, that's the case sometimes
brazen delta
Been having real hard luck getting the last Poseidon boon I need
Can you only have two of the "main five" boons (Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, and Call) be from the same god? It seems no matter what I do gods will never drop more than two of those kinds of boons
rough token
you can definitely get more than that--it's just that at that point, you're more likely to get tier2 boons (because there are more of them available)
brazen delta
Gotcha
Damn I really wish it was more easy to game
But I still don't have fully upgraded Mirror yet
raw flare
i love how different we all are
@fringe garnet that's people for ya
high island
4 is probably around the average you see one god in a run.
brazen delta
Yeah it's just that I was trying to game it to see them more
Rerolling rooms until I got them
high island
Reroll miniboss chambers, then. They're guaranteed to give you a boon.
brazen delta
Good advice, cheers!
rough token
@lavish tree
#ask-supergiant message
lavish tree
@rough token thanks, that answers my question
rough token
Sure thing!
granite ether
one other thing to keep in mind for the #hades-feedback channel
- Feedback should pertain to your experience playing the latest version of Hades.
lavish tree
@granite ether also that, yes :)
calm laurel
the ||Persephone|| award
fading gazelle
||Isn't that the https://i.imgur.com/NsnCCiM.png ? ||
calm laurel
possibly
hollow halo
oo an epilogue
past mirage
||Interestingly, clearing an escape attempt, clearing the main quest and reaching the epilogue are considered three different things.||
sharp fossil
yeah it looks like it might still be possible to ||get killed by the narrator?||
or something else that stops you after you finish
brave thicket
keen parcel
What happens when you give bouldy nectar? will you end up getting anything?
keen parcel
When I give bouldy a gift, I feel like i can do anything. Its like he's always watching over me
tall carbon
Ikr.
It's really reassuring when he says: " . . ."
tropic quiver
||names of hidden aspects like lucifer are spoilers btw||
brisk trail
i supp my mess idk how to do spoilers sry xD
tropic quiver
best to ask in #h1-builds-and-combat to not bother with spoilers
brisk trail
okay thank you
jade kindle
Random thought: I love Zag's "cheers mate". I don't know why but I love it, it's so friendly, makes me want to hug him
sharp fossil
hope they add hugging zag in real life in 1.0
jade kindle
PLEASE YES
terse geyser
I remember one person who managed to only get Athena boons, though I think he got forced one non-Athena boon in || Styx || because of some bad luck
@rough token That was me!
In fact, I got All of the Athena boons, and I wouldn't have had anything else if not for a darn ||4-sack||
sharp fossil
taking a non athena boon? there’s a word for that
blasphemy
legit tho that’s kind of impressive
buoyant merlin
While I'm looking forward to the 1.0 is it going to add anything besides an ending?
Like ||maybe they'll add a bunch of Titan Boons or something|| because ||Titans|| haven't been mentioned at all far as I can tell
terse geyser
there will be one additional NPC, so no titans
jade kindle
||A 4 sack||?? How unlucky is that
terse geyser
it was pretty unlucky
forced me into Urge to Kill
5th tunnel was artemis, so I couldn't just take it and hope for a purging pool
sharp fossil
how unlucky actually is a 4 sack
like, it is an even distribution? that would make it 50/50 odds of getting a 4 or 5 sack, which doesn’t feel right
but maybe it is idk
terse geyser
I'm pretty sure it's heavily weighted towards the earlier tunnels just bc of how often we get 2-sacks
5-sacks almost never happen
sharp fossil
yeah i definitely get 2s waaaay more than 5s
buoyant merlin
I guess at the end of the day I have to accept that Hades isn't Tales of Maj'Eyral or Monster Hunter World. It isn't really designed to be played for hundreds and hundreds of hours.
It's still probably my favorite indie game though.
buoyant merlin
LOL
rough token
I dunno, I'm at 200, and I know someone is over 600 iirc
terse geyser
I have like 600 hours lol
rough token
Lmao
buoyant merlin
I probably don't have an incredible amount
rough token
I keep remembering things about you Lysol but I can't attach your name to them
buoyant merlin
oh crap im at 230 nevermind rip
terse geyser
586 hours played
terse geyser
so I'm close
buoyant merlin
uhh
Poison replacing the lava in the second area
everyone would hate that i know
But it'd diversify the runs
rough token
But things in that style, taking existing hazards and re-theming them?
sharp fossil
wait, so the lava would keep damaging you after you stepped out?
that’d mess me up lol
i’m so bad at paying attention to where i’m standing
flat vapor
that lava puddle benefits package perk, but it's poison puddles
sand stump
lmao I thought we have 1.0 announcement
sharp fossil
wait the lava puddles is from benefits package?
lmao that makes so much sense
i turned BP on permanently long enough ago i’ve forgotten how the game works without it i guess
flat vapor
specifically, that perk makes enemies spawn lava puddles
rough token
The 3-spread from enemies
flat vapor
lava puddles can spawn naturally from the magma
terse geyser
like the ones that spawn on top of you while you're fishing ||^&*(!#||.
sharp fossil
wait i thought they all came from the magma
how in the world did i not notice this
lol
fishing is a dangerous activity
flat vapor
have you ever walked into a room and suddenly the enemies are surrounded by magma puddles
sharp fossil
i mean i have i just never thought about why before
i am very unobservant, it is known
buoyant merlin
i had a ping in announcements for some reason
noble flax
Uh has anyone seen this article that says the game releases on switch today https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/09/nintendo_download_10th_september_north_america
rough token
It doesn't have a date for Hades
It does have a date for most of the games
@noble flax
noble flax
True, didn't catch that, just saw it in the list and did a double take
sharp fossil
yeah that’s kind of a confusingly written article
it’s like “download: 10th of september” and then lists a bunch of games that you cannot, in fact, download on the 10th of september
noble flax
I think it's like a weekly press release thing for all the games releasing on the eshop that week that a lot of sites get, I just saw that one first
sharp fossil
yeah i can kinda see how it happened but it’s still confusing
buoyant merlin
wait a physics based fighting game? I loved exanima
I've been craving a directional based melee fantasy setting kinda game. Crabs were the second best thing on my list
rough token
I have classes I don't need more games I have classes I don't need more games I'm literally making games I don't need to buy them
terse geyser
physics based fighting game
super smash brothers, anyone?
brisk trail
can you still steal charon's coins and that his coins aren't always present when you meet him?
rough token
It's a 22% chance in every mid-biome shop
rough token
Sure thing ^.^ Welcome back!
rough token
Nope
tawdry turret
aw 😦
rough token
Look in #announcements
They pinged about the vinyl announcement
Then ig went oops and removed the ping
narrow hemlock
good news for our european friends struggling with expensive shipping at least
void summit
Lads, i need a bit of help here. Is there a way to get my save for hades after my previous pc died? Is it stored on Epic Store somehow?
rough token
Epic doesn't have cloud saves currently, sorry
void summit
So play through the entire thing again o.O? Well i guess something to do
rough token
You might be able to ask for one of the devs to recover it if you submitted a bug report with your name/email, which includes your save file
You can also get a save file from someone else
So you don't need to grind
void summit
Yea its slightly annoying since i played all the way since the start of early acces and dont know if i can deal with grind again xd
rough token
I can send you a save later today? I have one stored at about 160 hours in, and I'm at a bit over 200 currently
pseudo lark
Haelian posts his on the Speedrun page for Hades, each patch as well. Wouldn't be your own data, but it's 100% ocmpleted
rough token
There's also the speedrunning website, which has a save
final grail
I thought epic had cloud saves
final grail
I mean I've never used it, but that sucks
pseudo lark
But yeah, @void summit you can try asking in #h1-tech-support and one of the devs might be able to find a recent copy of your save? That's your best bet, beyond taking someone else's
final grail
They're far behind steam in the feature department
void summit
If i do download the one from speedrun.com do i just copy it into my hades?
rough token
But yeah, @void summit you can try asking in #h1-tech-support and one of the devs might be able to find a recent copy of your save? That's your best bet, beyond taking someone else's
Afaik, this is only if you submitted a bug report with your name/email, otherwise they can't really track it down
stiff wolf
guys, did in hades added achievements?
pseudo lark
If it's the same as Steam, it goes into My Documents\Saved Games\Hades
rough token
guys, did in hades added achievements?
@stiff wolf not functionally, yet
They're testing
final grail
it'll be in 1.0
pseudo lark
You should be able to just copy the files in. I thought it was just the .sav, but it's all the necessary files.
void summit
Well i grabbed one from spedruns for the latest blood price patch since i was close to 100% on that anyway so it wouldnt change much
Thank you very much for everyone that tried to help 🙂
rough token
Navigate to the following directory, or wherever the game is installed, which should look like one of these:
\Program Files\Steam\SteamApps\common\Hades
\Epic Games\Hades
plush cave
i thought the announcement was about the 1.0 
rough token
Nope, sadly. Soon enough though, when they're ready
buoyant frigate
Damn, I was so jebaited by that announcement 😦
rough token
@rose pendant (from #hades-feedback ) if you click on a boon in the boon menu that's highlighted, it will deselect, and then you can select a new one
You can do that at any time from the boon menu, even mid-run
narrow hemlock
she doesn't wanna be a wife tho
nimble ocean
not like anyone would be able to ask her
the fate of a secret admirer
never being able to confess about the feelings.. in a fear of being rejected and turned into deer
unkempt sleet
Artemis #1 BFF in Hades
fringe garnet
@narrow hemlock idk about how most people use it but imexperience using the term mostly-as-a-joke, waifus don't have to be pairing options, they're just a character you admire/have a crush on. boys and nonbinary folks can be waifus too.
also, her disinterest in having a partner makes me like her even more! she's so cool.
or, i guess, perhaps the "boy" counterpart to waifu is "best boy?" idk, what even is slang
narrow hemlock
haha don't take it seriously, though there are a lot of people that want to romance arty and I don't trust that 🥰
hypothetically speaking, what do you guys think the house of hades would do for halloween (I say as I am looking at halloween stuff in a store rn)
terse geyser
Everyone would get fake Hades 'staches
stiff jetty
I have a question for all the tryhards out there...tried googling. I have Cursed Slash, took it early and have worked up to 183 max health with it. At the big shop pre-cerberus, and looking at anvil of fates...
pretty sure I shouldn't, but it got me wondering, if it took cursed slash away, would I suddenly gain 60% health?
terse geyser
you would get the health back
rough token
it wouldn't be the same as gaining 60% of your current, but yes you'd get a max health back up
stiff jetty
I have Cursed Slash and Double Edge...
Seems almost not worth to break the pair haha
crude hazel
Which is to say, you'd have your max health back, but still be at whatever health you were before.
stiff jetty
ah, so i'm 163/183, my max health would ^^^ but not my current health
I haven't actually found the sack yet so i could still heal potentially but
I don't think i'm gonna...seems like i should clear easily with my current setup
pseudo lark
I'm sure you know at this point, but in case you weren't aware, Cursed Slash is borderline useless with Double Edge
That said, Double Edge is significantly better than any other hammer for sword, so it's not worth losing it to get rid of Cursed Slash
crude hazel
With regards to hammers, if something says attack, it means only Attack.
Not dash attack.
This can be pretty important.
stiff jetty
i mean they don't synnergize, but they're both good singularly i think
Single target X spam healing is pretty strong. I have Poseidon attack so i basically stun lock everything
patent topaz
Btw waifu's male counterpart is husbando
fringe garnet
@crude hazel I thought it was square/rectangle:
- ANYTHING that refers to attack also effects dash-attack
- ANYTHING that refers to dash-attack is dash-attack ONLY.
rough token
hammers are weird
crude hazel
Not in hammer land.
With regards to boons, yes.
But for hammers, Attack means Attack.
fringe garnet
oh, that's... inconsistent. Huh.
fringe garnet
even weirder is that it is a thing for bow and rail... even though it looks/feels mechanically identical to regular attacks
tropic zodiac
The dash attacks ARE distinct though, similar though they may be
Bow dash charges faster for less damage and rail dash is a double tap I think
nimble ocean
technically
when you run and shoot, projectile goes faster
which means theoretically more damage
narrow hemlock
its addressed in #announcements
short gate
Ah!
drifting citrus
does 1.0 have a release date?
quaint bramble
Nothing more specific than this fall at the moment afaik
drifting citrus
oh wait i could google it
quaint bramble
The source of that info, the 1.0 trailer, is also worth watching anyway
drifting citrus
yeah just September is
yeah i did when it came out
pretty cool
you could even say it was a bloody good trailer
quaint bramble
Yes, shockingly so ⚡️
fringe garnet
you know what would be awesome but that i dont expect at all
is if, on the very first day of fall, September 21st, 1.0 launched
jade kindle
That would be very cool
uneven dagger
so anyone know if I'm gonna need a new save in order to get some of the achievements for exemple "complete X prophecy"
kind moss
They'll be retroactive
grim sun
maybe weird to ask but when you open hades on steam what is the game opening at x64 or x86?
mostly because out of curiosity I click on x64 exe and I notice the game really ran smoothly comparing to opening it in steam.
slate jetty
@kind moss (from feedback), when you take Cthonic Coin purse, you get the money from it instantly, so if you could just switch it after taking it, so it would be a free 150 obols every run. This might be the only instance of something you could probably abuse, but still. They'd have to make it so you receive the money after leaving the room.
sharp fossil
was just about to say the same thing yeah
sharp fossil
also you could grab bone hourglass, buy up the pool of styx then switch it out as the bonus time will remain
slate jetty
that too
kind moss
valid
i didn't realize those applied immediately
was sick of picking a god keepsake and then selling a boon for customs that made me want to pick a different one
terse geyser
visit the shop and purging pool before you choose your keepsake
it's very useful to have that information first
kind moss
yeah
it's just that it comes first in the room
and brain keeps just going down the line
muted valley
@kind moss if you want, you can quit (not give up) the game, after which when u open ur save again its like you just entered the room and didnt pick up any keepsake
kind moss
oh i guess
rough token
does it let you do that after you interact with the fountain?
muted valley
yes
rough token
oh neat
muted valley
but when u open the save again, its like u just entered the room
so fountain isnt active yet
however i think if you have used the wells i think it may prevent you from quitting
at that point, just force close the game
then reopen it
it should be good
rough token
if you force quit might need to manually recover the save, depending on how nicely it autosaved
muted valley
well i havent much problem doing this, other than my potato of a laptop taking 6yrs to start the game
sharp fossil
no one:
zagreus: what if you were so hungover you just died
muted valley
what if you felt so lovey dovey, that you became weaker to to me and being hungover
viral rover
What if I shoved you into a wall on the other side of a room so hard you turned into a game of pinball?
With lightning?
sturdy yoke
Hey there 🙂
As far as I can tell I've got almost every gameplay relevant addition from the house contractor - what do I use spare diamonds for? Just the cosmetic stuff or exchange them for blood / other stuff?
sharp fossil
There’s a couple of pretty expensive things that turn up after a while which you’ll need to buy to progress plotlines which might be worth saving for
if you know what those are/have already bought them then yeah, it’s pretty much just cosmetic stuff or buying ambrosia
there could well be more to buy with diamonds come 1.0 tho
past mirage
Best hang on to a few of them in order to buy the new stuff.
viral rover
Could just start a new safe, but still keeping the old one. That's what I plan on doing
trail path
saves carry over once the game is fully released right?
brisk trail
Probably
fading gazelle
Most likely
tropic zodiac
It'd be kinda nutty if they didn't (saves carried over through previous updates, right?) but I might make a fresh file anyway
maiden copper
I'll make a new save since they're definitely adding some story element aftee the redacted fight, and I feel like that might have some odd effects/sequence breaks
tropic zodiac
I feel like it's been set up rather well as it is but yeah it'd be nice to see the whole thing start to finish
sharp fossil
they’ve explicitly said saves will carry over iirc
but yeah, starting again is still kinda tempting
tropic zodiac
Always fun to see how far you can make it on the first attempt
crude hazel
I've done no-mirror runs, so I think I could manage it.
Though base Zag sword, ew.
I don't want to restart my save file personally. I hope it doesn't sequence break the story.
But losing all those hours of work would suck.
sharp fossil
i might be able to scratch a no mirror run with no heat if i got lucky
but definitely not with base zag sword lol
the story’s kept working through a pile of updates, so i think we’ll be fine going into 1.0
void vigil
no mirror is basically maxed routine inspection, so its 8 heat by itself
crude hazel
Yup yup. I did it for the sake of bonus dialogue a few times.
terse geyser
the first run gives you very good boon choices
you are basically handed Athena's legendary on a silver platter, and it's very easy to get merciful end and deadly reversal
fast cove
@kind moss Regarding your feedback on the Keepsake case locking, I assume it's so you can't get extra healing from the fountain by going Spiked Collar > Fountain > Keepsake you really wanted; and to keep you from equipping the coin purse for the money and then switching to something else immediately.
kind moss
yeah people mentioned those and charon's
gusty slate
Oh new save run? Yeah it's... tough. Got to Elysium on first run and haven't touched it since because I'm terrified
sharp fossil
yeah my record so far is dying to champions
the first run gives you very good boon choices
you are basically handed Athena's legendary on a silver platter, and it's very easy to get merciful end and deadly reversal
also very easy to just die, at least if you’re me 😛
terse geyser
get deflect on your dash (first room) and special, and attack if you get offered an epic attack
get true shot
ggs
gusty slate
See that would be the case if I was actually good at the game
terse geyser
if you can get epic or heroic doom attack with merciful end, that's even better
sharp fossil
i mean, everything you’re saying makes sense
i just need moar practice i suspect
i don’t think i’ve been going for true shot tho, maybe i should try that
i basically ignore my cast since there’s only one lol
terse geyser
true shot is a small damage buff and lets you get deadly reversal
sharp fossil
probably unwise
terse geyser
but cast is super useful, especially if you get random one-shots with crits
tropic zodiac
Sure, no boiling blood, but it's free damage with low risk
gusty slate
I don't even use boiling blood normally, I use abyssal blood because I need that slow/less damage xD
lament helm
Favorite weapon y'all?
gusty slate
Lol I find enjoyment in pulling enemies into walls
sharp fossil
yeah or into traps
gusty slate
especially the chariot enemies
sharp fossil
sometimes i mess around and take way longer to kill an enemy than necessary just so i can hear those beautiful words
“trap kill”
the traps are my friends and i must feed them
gusty slate
I have a love hate relationship with traps
Stray arrow in Elysium ends me
Otherwise np
gusty slate
I like them except in that one end room with 3 poison traps and 2 saws
I panic a lot in that room
sharp fossil
oh yeah i swear that’s the hardest room to fight in the game
gusty slate
A room of elites without armor break in that one nearly takes a DD from me
(or it does because I get hit by something dumb)
Rats do a surprising amount of damage...
sharp fossil
my lowest point in this game was when i lost a ||hades|| fight because i had taken a DD in that room
gusty slate
Redacted
sharp fossil
why? because i got hit by the exact same sawblade, in exactly the same place, 3 times
oh yeah good point
gusty slate
Elite poison darts in that room is death, the cure being in between 2 sawblades and the enemies is a bit rough. Well for me.
sharp fossil
yeah same
hazy hatch
what am I doing wrong with the rail's hidden aspect?
feels like I just keep dying in elysium
feels like it takes forever to kill and keeps me locked in place for way too long
violet compass
I just took it to the surface once never to do it again
I just don't like the feeling from it and I find it pretty weak
hazy hatch
like I just lost 3 lives to the big butterfly because every extra dude it spawns takes 3 full clips to kill
feels like I must be doing something wrong
warm dove
have anyone bought all the decorate stuffs yet?
violet compass
I think ppl did but I'm still far away from that point even with 100+ hours
narrow hemlock
there's more coming
dusk edge
@hazy hatch dionysus/zeus attack is good, triple bomb is a solid hammer upgrade cuz it lets you get all bombs out. but i suck with all rails, my worst weapon in the game by far
hazy hatch
yeah I'm trying triple bomb now and I didn't realize they'd chain react
this is bretty gud
dusk edge
i like to combo that with athena dash and charge through the bombs, generally landing backstabs with the attack
still cant muster enough dps for ||styx and hades || and generally lose a DD or two in elysium
faint jackal
Achievements are visible on Steam guys
hazy hatch
also now running poseidon attack with rupture on it and THAT'S funny
narrow hemlock
@faint jackal check #announcements
crude hazel
Still no release date.
faint jackal
oh I miss that announcement, thanks tatz
olive elk
All my gems for a release date
mellow bridge
Is poesidon the worst god by a lot?
hazy hatch
I think Artemis is worse
faint jackal
I think you are both wrong and Ares is the worst suited for my playstyle 😄
Artemis is crazy good for caster builds and for heavy weapon
mellow bridge
at least artemis is redeemed by a great power fantasy that occasionally comes to fruition of doing tons of damage. and by support fire
fading gazelle
I think Artemis is worse
@hazy hatch Excuse me?
faint jackal
support fire + any fast weapon + zeus as damage = melting
faint jackal
poseidon is great ...
steel flicker
I love Poseidon
mellow bridge
or am i wrong, i'd like to find out why
faint jackal
I love to force take poseidon for farm runs and his cast has great synergy with demeter
mellow bridge
why does his cast have synergy with demeter? knocking them away synergizes with slowing them how?
if anything makes it harder to land her ult on them
faint jackal
||check their duo, it is crazy good honestly ... just melts everything||
hazy hatch
coronacht special and rail attack with Poseidon are pretty sweet
fading gazelle
I like his core boons (Except attack and special) and his duos and support boons are really great
narrow hemlock
this is just like any convo about what wep or keepsake or whatever is best, it really just comes down to playstyle and what build you're going for. everything has moments where it performs really well and some things just perform well in more situations than others lol
dusk edge
@mellow bridge when poseidon works he works very well, imo he supports nearly every build well, and like others have said his duos are great, zeus and demeter specifically
fading gazelle
Also ||4th aspect rail on poseidon attack is super fun, its a literal water canon||
mellow bridge
i guess when i said he sucks im saying his core mechanic of relying on knocking things into walls to do damage feels weaker than everything else
viral rover
Pretty sure Hades is the worst god. He doesn't even offer boons!
mellow bridge
wasn't commenting on his duo boons or support boons or whatnot
steel flicker
poseidon+||lucifer= water hydrant. I felt like a firefighter.||
hazy hatch
Mario Sunshine Hades Edition
faint jackal
how can you comment on it without taking into account duo boons or secondary boons? That makes no sense
narrow hemlock
posi boons are hilarious in styx, never fails to make me laugh
faint jackal
poseidon on dash in styx = push everything to lava
fading gazelle
I agree with you that I would probably consider the other gods effects before Poseidon
viral rover
Breaking Wave is amazing in Styx. Should come with pinball noises
faint jackal
that is damn fun
dusk edge
I know what you mean tristan, i kinda felt the same way but the more i use him the more i enjoy it. IF you get epic dash and some of the knock away effects you can just kill stuff by dashing and its fun
narrow hemlock
I like dash with bow sometimes just to keep enemies off me
really depends what I'm going for
faint jackal
that is true - dash is great for escaping while playing ranged
high island
Poseidon's Aid is arguably the best Call in the game. Tidal Dash is amazing for damage, played a huge part when I did 52 Heat. Tempest Flourish is the 3rd-highest in +% damage after Heartbreak Flourish and Deadly Flourish. Flood Shot is great at clearing mob waves and can go into Blizzard Shot, which just shreds everything.
Hydraulic Might adds a ton of damage to speed up any run.
His DOT is great, too.
dusk edge
i still wish hydraulic started on first enemy hit rather than entering the room, but i do like it
narrow hemlock
I don't like hydraulic might bc the timing on it is finicky. it's a frequent feedback too that there are instances where it can't even be used
If they change that it would benefit it a lot
faint jackal
wait, poseidon aid is amazing? It is honestly my least picked call
high island
Hydraulic Might does a lot of work in speedruns and at high heat. I think it's fine just the way it is.
dusk edge
but yea he provides an easy way to get privaleged status with rupture
faint jackal
I just don't like it - I find it hard to navigate and to follow. I prefere Athene or Artemis
narrow hemlock
I don't do speed runs. it doesn't benefit me much due to how it works lol
faint jackal
I also don't do speedruns, I just did 1 to get that sub 12 min message
steel flicker
The only aid I don't regret picking is Demeter
faint jackal
you regret picking Athene? Literal invincibility?
high island
I play on pad, so navigating Poseidon's Aid is not a problem for me.
faint jackal
One of the most fun runs I had was Zeus aid + 25% limit + autofill from it and hermes ... that was basically always on
and damage on call from hermes made it amazingly fun
high island
Demeter's Aid damage sucks tbh.
crude hazel
Rupture is also one of the better debuffs.