that's definitely not supposed to happen
#h1-discussion
terse geyser
gusty slate
So you were just spamming interact on that chest I see?
I ask because I find joy in recreating bugs for some reason.
simple pumice
i took a picture of the chamber and what my items i had, in case is it necessary
but i don't know where can i post it, apparently not here
gusty slate
urban kestrel
F10, if your screen turns cyan, alt tab to the report window
simple pumice
i'm gonna do it right now
simple pumice
And Done, i hope it gets fixed before 1.0
gusty slate
Must be a very specific bug, never seen that before xD
rough token
I've heard of it a few times now, sadly never managed to replicate it
urban kestrel
I’m assuming the flavor text changing font is also a bug that should be reported
rough token
yup!
terse geyser
@slate jetty there are visual effects / icons for every status effect
merry marsh
rough token
But not all of them show up on the health bar of enemies, so they can be harder to see
slate jetty
^
rigid narwhal
Do Boons carry over from one run to another? I thought they didn't but ask because in one run I collected oceans bounty and sunken treasure. THEN next run right out of the gate, Got the Poseidon Boon - Huge Catch - Legendary! (no other choices in that boon) No Poseidon keepsake equipped that second run. I lost count how many fishes I caught that run, probably at least 10.
rigid narwhal
awesome! So it only happens for Huge Catch?
rough token
still nope lol
I don't know what the trigger is for the event
but Ocean's Bounty and Sunken Treasure do not carry over in any fashion
terse geyser
Congratulations!
You just got your one-time free use of Huuuge Catch!
rigid narwhal
Oh dang, haha. It was good while it lasted
terse geyser
I don't know what the trigger is for the event
@rough token I'm pretty sure it's just a certain number of runs after you buy the Rod
gusty slate
It might be amount of fish caught too...
terse geyser
It might be amount of fish caught too...
what's the difference?
does anyone not fish?
rough token
people might not realize how
high island
The run seed is already loaded when you buy it, so it's got to be in the next seed after that at the earliest.
marsh rivet
I wish Asphodel and Elysium fish were more worthwhile.
Like if they gave some teeny inconsequential in-run bonus like with gem/darkness rooms
high island
Gemstone and Darkness chambers matter a lot. 
marsh rivet
Gemstone matters, but darkness definitely less lol. Just a baby bump to make it feel more obligatory to actually engage in the system.
high island
marsh rivet
I imagine I'd feel the same way about all fish once I finish the cosmetics
Maybe you could get a blue heart?
But that would put it at WAY above the value of Darkness rooms lol
high island
Nah.
terse geyser
blue hearts are OP
marsh rivet
Maybe they could only last x rooms so you can't just stack them on a really good run.
But the issue with that would be conveyance. That's super un-intuitive
high island
They don't really need to give anything at all.
marsh rivet
You could ostensibly apply that logic to everything, though, couldn't you? I mean, Darkness and Gemstone rooms don't need to give you anything. But if it didn't it'd feel like trash to get those rooms. Fish aren't that different. They feel special and build incremental value until they don't.
high island
The run balance is fine as it is.
leaden urchin
Sorry if this is the wrong section. But, does anyone know that why the game crashes in the middle of the run and once I restarted then everything just vanished and I have to start all over again. It has happened 3 times since last week. Idk if it's steam's issue since it always pops out a window saying there are something about some certain games that will cause crash problems.
terse geyser
check #h1-tech-fixes for possible solutions, and if nothing there helps ask in #h1-tech-support
leaden urchin
Thank you
high island
My "logic" is I'm perfectly happy with how they are now.
I catch fish sometimes because it's fun, whether they give anything or not.
marsh rivet
Seems fine. Why shouldn't everyone's happiness capitulate to your whims
viral rover
I suppose though the thing is, you choose to fish, but you cannot chose to not get gems/darkness/keys/nectar
high island
I think I am perfectly entitled to voicing my opinion on what I want changed or not. Thank you very much.
viral rover
So if you are "maxed" they become dead rooms, when fish are just there on the side
terse geyser
The thing about fish is that you can't be forced to catch them
winter river
I'm just sad that my reaction time is to slow to ever have a shot at a legendary fish :/
terse geyser
whereas you can be forced to take gem rooms.
winter river
I've caught like 300 fish at this point. Not. One. Legendary.
high island
Yeah, I hope they adjust things a bit so that everyone has at least a real chance of catching any fish.
winter river
I don't think I've ever even hit perfect catch
viral rover
Do you use a K&M or controller, Fred?
winter river
K&M
mellow finch
I've caught legendaries in Tartarus, Asphodel and Styx with K&M before, so it's definitely not an input device issue.
gusty slate
I'm too slow on the light
winter river
@mellow finch do you use mouse or keyboard to fish?
mellow finch
Keyboard.
viral rover
I find that putting my cursor above the bobber when I fish helps
Means I don't see and flinch over the fake-outs, and can focus on the flash
mellow finch
Listening to the audio also helps a lot.
viral rover
After I did that, I got a lot more Perfect Catches (though a Perfect is still no guarantee of a legendary fish)
winter river
I use keyboard too. Maybe my keys are slow? Its not a gaming keyboard.
mellow finch
I see, I have a mechanical Keyboard.
winter river
Or maybe my reactions are just that bad. Entirely possible.
Oh well, maybe I'll just have that one prophecy taunting me for all time....
gusty slate
I have my crappy laptop keyboard and have gotten legendary fish in my codex somehow lol
gaunt wyvern
I've got notoriously bad reaction time and I've had a lot of difficulty with it too
viral rover
You'll get the hang of it, I didn't use to play with a mechanical keyboard for the longest time and you get the hang of it
winter river
Ok, welp, it's probably just me and my garbage reaction time then lol
On that note though, any tips to get more chaos fishing points? I've gotten one ever
mellow finch
I've only ever gotten two and on one of them my game crashed and I lost the run progress.
I think they are just really rare.
high island
Things like the general input lag from your monitor matter a lot.
Also your frame rate.
winter river
Frame rate is fine, not sure how to check input lag for the monitor?
high island
You'd have to just look it up on a website that lists input lag for different monitors.
high island
I get a perfect catch pretty much every time, but I also have a monitor with ~4ms input lag, and the game runs at 246 fps. If I had a different monitor and could only run the game at like 30 fps or something, I'd probably struggle with making those perfect catches.
kind moss
chaos fishing points are a lot more rare
high island
Just saying that the fault isn't always your reaction time or lack of practice. Stuff like that can make a real difference.
fringe garnet
Zagreus, to the administrative shades: "Rest is for the living, right?"
EVERY SINGLE SHADE: 
loved. this. so. much.
winter river
Dang, those are some good specs
high island
Some people play on TVs without turning on the "gaming mode", which adds a ton of input lag.
Because TVs do a lot of post-processing to make the image look better. Which is great for movies and stuff where input lag doesn't matter. But the gaming mode features that some TVs have skip all of that to reduce the input lag a lot.
But even then, it'll have noticeably more input lag than a gaming monitor that was specifically designed for low input lag (which usually end up having worse colors etc. as a trade-off).
winter river
Anyhow, its worth note though, my reaction time is kind bad. I'm that person who reaches up to catch ball a full second after it wizzes past my head.
tawny light
@high island which monitor do you use?
high island
BenQ ZOWIE XL2411P.
fringe garnet
good idea / bad idea: Aphrodite's charm should affect ||one of the assisting furies|| when you're fighting more than one at a time
narrow hemlock
hm nah, affecting the main one is enough imo. besides you can't attack the assists to begin with so there's no reason boons should affect them
gusty slate
Knowledge is power
narrow hemlock
one day I will type boons enough my phone will stop correcting it
terse geyser
not as good as that other poor soul though
narrow hemlock
snrk
gusty slate
Just chuck the Codex at them, I'm sure it'll do hefty damage
narrow hemlock
zag: hopefully achilles won't mind
gusty slate
I'm sure it's fine!
narrow hemlock
on the reverse side sometimes when I type are or area it just immediately turns into ares, my phone knows I am no thoughts just ares 
fringe garnet
#1) is it possible to get THREE hammers on one run? i have only ever in ~40 escape attempts seen two
#2) is it possible to get TWO hammers in ONE biome? i have never ever seen this
rough token
yes to #1, no to #2 afaik (with one technical exception) yes to #2 apparently
You should regularly be offered 2 hammers over the course of a run
mellow finch
I thought nowadays you can only get three hammers ||by using the randomized anvil from the styx shop||
past mirage
Yes to #2, it's possible to get two hammers in Elysium.
But only if you skipped the hammer in Tartarus and Asphodel for some reason.
rough token
sometimes I just don't need one, y'know
past mirage
It still sticks to the 'no more than 2 hammers before Styx' rule.
narrow hemlock
sometimes I find if you skip hammers for whatever reason the game is very insistent in trying to continue offering it to you until you take it, I've tried it a few times to see what the doors do and almost always see the hammer pop up nearly every gold door after I've skipped it until I finally take it.
whatever force controls the doors: please just take the hammer I'm begging you
fringe garnet
I just found my second hammer in Elysium for the first time ever lmao
i'm also out of death defiance and my second option is patroclus
WHAT DO I DO
rough token
(Patty)
fringe garnet
you are right but it breaks my heart
rough token
(Definitely Patty)
fringe garnet
i wanted both
this is my first run ever of "supersoaker."
I had heard the term used before and had no idea what it meant. thought it maybe just meant the second aspect of the Adamant Rail because it has sort of a supersoaker look to it
and then as soon as i got the boon combo i understood
rough token
hahaha
high island
I think I'm 1 of 1 people who doesn't really like that aspect lol.
Maybe I need to give it another try sometime.
rough token
I'm not actually a huge fan of it
it's just fun to gimmick it
or wait, do you mean the second?
high island
Well, it's not dislike, I'm just really not impressed.
No, 4th aspect.
I've only just maxed Eris today.
Might give it a try soon.
I think the rail was my least used weapon by far until I tried Hestia.
fringe garnet
whoa okay here's a thing, let me know if this makes sense:
i found no hammers in taratarus or asphodel.
I found one in Elysium.
i found a second in Elysium, but didn't pick it.
i just found a THIRD in Elysium
does this track?
fringe garnet
Got it - for some reason I thought all options were pre-ordained from the start of the run
rough token
You can be offered more than 2
nope
that's a lot of preordaining, considering the number of split paths
much easier to do it procedurally
high island
I've noticed something interesting today.
I had boons from 3 different gods by Elysium. Saw a boon from a 4th god in the mid-shop and a boon from a 5th good at one of the mid-shop exits. Was streaming, too.
rough token
I think shop boons can sometimes be from outside of the 4-god pool
high island
Might look for that tomorrow if I find the time.
gusty slate
Interesting
high island
I didn't have a 4-god pool. I had only 3.
So the 4th was still random.
I also noticed some quirky things like that with Authority before, but I don't use that anyway, so I didn't care to look into it.
viral rover
Does the Sack-Boon from the shop pick from the pool or totally random?
high island
From the pool.
viral rover
Cool
high island
If you have 4, it's gonna be one of the 4.
fringe garnet
i almost never take the anvil, i am always worried it's going to desynergize
what about yall
rough token
generally the same
fading gazelle
Anvil sucks. Period.
rough token
It's not completely useless--but I would almost always prefer to see a Hermes boon
high island
I like the anvil as an option.
fading gazelle
I guess it would be alright if I was running AP 2
high island
Some builds can really benefit from it. For others it's too risky. But that's cool.
gusty slate
I'm too scared to touch anvil on sword
fringe garnet
final boss question: ||does the second phase count as a second encounter for the purpose summons||? i'm assuming not
viral rover
I can't touch the hammer with the fists. I might geat heavy knuckle, especially with Demeter aspect ;-;
gusty slate
Don't think so
rough token
@fringe garnet || final boss second phase is a spoiler ||
flat vapor
i'd spoiler all details of the final boss btw
viral rover
||they do not.||
high island
Heavy Knuckle is pretty good.
gusty slate
Redacted in itself is a spoiler xD
Heavy knuckle, still need to get used to it. Amusing on Talos aspect
viral rover
Heavy Knuckle might be good, but when I need to rack up hits quickly in order to charge special and I'm running Athena attack, it really undermines the build.
high island
The only bad hammer on Malphon is Quake Cutter, but it doesn't actively hurt you. It just doesn't do anything.
viral rover
Is that the explode-on-dash-special one?
high island
No. Explosive Upper is amazing.
high island
Yeah, it's useless.
viral rover
Okay, I get those two mixed up
high island
You need to do a regular Uppercut and wait for the whole animation to finish.
gusty slate
So that's why it never works...
viral rover
I guess I could make use of it the way I play, but then I play Demeter with the special as a finisher so I don't usually need to dash-cancel
gusty slate
It doesn't work on dem apparently, well incompatible according to wiki
viral rover
Oh.
high island
And I mean, yeah, Heavy Knuckle makes your Special charge slower, but not that much since Dash-Strikes are unaffected anyway, and it buffs your Attack damage quite a bit.
viral rover
That... would explain why I get it confused with Explosive Upper then
high island
A lot of the time with Demeter Aspect, you're just chaining Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper until things are dead lol.
Well, or you should be if you want to be fast.
viral rover
Not for me. But then that's just me
high island
To be exact, I mean the Dash > Attack > Special combo that lets you do a Dash-Strike followed by a Dash-Upper in one Dash.
You can stunlock enemies indefinitely with that even if you don't have a second dash, and the damage is high—especially with Explosive Upper.
radiant harbor
turns out back & forth between Dark Thirst weapons / other weapons makes the dark thirst effect duplicate
again... and again..
rough token
huh
gusty slate
I feed mine daily!
jade kindle
You sure?
gusty slate
Not my fault they're Gluttony incarnate 😦
jade kindle
lmao
's love for sips
rough token
just get cactus juice
it's the quenchiest
jade kindle
j u i c y
gusty slate
Haven't seen a trace of cacti down in the underworld
rough token
haven't looked hard enough
gusty slate
I'll ask Charon
agile geyser
is hades available for mac?
jade kindle
Not yet, if I remember correctly
dense sun
Installed hades few days ago and wanted to say this is probably one of the most entertaining game I played in years. Looking forward to your next updates! 🙂
rough token
:D
swift marlin
Is there a release roadmap and at least a quarterly (Q1, Q2, etc.) For 1.0?
rough token
It will be out this fall
there is a roadmap you can get to from the main menu of the game
steel island
need a no story progress mode where I can just do runs with no dialogue when i wanna chill with music
night zealot
For Mac, I had to use Bootcamp to get it to work (and work it did!)
steel flicker
I didn't find Quake Cutter that useless. Don't remember the exact combination of boons, but I had Ares on special and it was nice to get everyone doomed across the radius of the explosion.
agile saddle
Rail is the worst wep and you can't change my mind. It's the only weapon I consistently lose with. Tried attacking builds and special builds but I hate it. Tried all the aspects as well.
fading gazelle
Wow that's pretty harsh. What do you think particularly makes it a bad weapon?
I mean I used to despise the rail as well, but that was just because I sucked with the weapon. After looking at other people do a few high heat runs with the Zagreus aspect, I practiced even more and it became one of my favorite weapons.
rough token
It just might not be the right weapon for you, as well, and that doesn't mean that it's bad
steel flicker
There have been so far 2 times where gods with maxed out affinity (specifically Athena and Ares) just deleted one heart after I took their boons. Is that an indication of something?
unkempt sleet
You mean they were maxed out but then you could gift them again?
That sounds like a
steel flicker
Well, there was an animation where the "heart timeline" showed up and deleted one heart
like they got pissed at me for some reason
rough token
As in, you || forged a bond || with them, and then it later undid that?
steel flicker
yes
rough token
Weird, and definitely a bug
steel flicker
now they have empty heart socket that I have to fill in again. And I can gift them nectars again as well.
rough token
Sounds like something happening way out of sequence lol
unkempt sleet
Did they have locked hearts beforehand?
steel flicker
I remember that I gifted all gods everything I had every time I met them, and then I couldn't. And with Athena and Ares I can again.
rough token
Did you fill up their hearts in the Codex?
(that's what it sounds like, I'm just checking)
But it's also possible that you had gotten to their locked heart, and then just now unlocked them
steel flicker
faint jackal
@steel flicker That is ok - every character has opening phase for gifting and after some time, quests, meeting them with certain things and dialogues second half opens
just press C to open codex, you will see heart with lock at some characters
that means you have to do something to proceed with their relationship
steel flicker
It was weird, because Athena didn't say anything mean for it to pop up and just delete the heart
faint jackal
Eule were you able to give them ambrosia before or just nectar?
steel flicker
I think it just nectar since these are just normal hearts not past the "lock" thing
rough token
Wait, hold up
faint jackal
the lock disappears once you meat conditions and you are able to gift them again until "you forget a bond" pops up
steel flicker
Yeah, I'm aware. Animation pops up "destroying" the lock and so on
rough token
Okay
steel flicker
But this was just animation of heart disappearing
solemn imp
the game looks so noice
steel flicker
it was the same for when the heart adds I think
but instead heart was removed
anyway, I just wanted to ask if there's a way for hearts to disappear. It seems like it's not a common thing
rough token
There is not
faint jackal
if you were not able to give them ambrosia then you were for sure not maxed ... otherwise press F10 and you can report it as a bug
never happened to me in 210 hours honestly
solemn imp
it says to ask questions here freely so.... Will there be more gods?
rough token
Nope
steel flicker
Thank you anyway. It didn't really bother me, I was just curious
faint jackal
nope, not planned for 1.0
solemn imp
aight
solemn imp
are there any new stuff planned for 1.0?
steel flicker
Yes
faint jackal
yup, you can check roadmap in menu
rough token
Lots of dialogue, one new character
solemn imp
wait where is that
faint jackal
story ending, more dialogue, probably more cosmetics for house of hades
rough token
Main menu of the game, I believe
solemn imp
sorry to say this but my parents don't allow me to get the game so I never got to see the roadmap
rough token
I think it might be on their website? I'll check real quick
Hmm, not seeing it, sorry :S
solemn imp
atleast yall told me what to expect for v1.0
still tiger
@steel flicker i think that happened to me during a trial of the gods chamber room
I thought they were maxed, but maybe they weren't (i had been giving ambrosia though). And when i selected artemis first, athena removed a heart from the codex affinity
I didn't want to lose the hearts because it takes me a long time to progress, so i didn't do a trial with anyone until i had "bond forged"
steel flicker
Interesting. In my case it was just regular encounters. In my experience, every god's affinity remained unchanged after trial of the gods rooms.
still tiger
Huh okay, that is weird.
Maybe i should've F10d it, but it happened soon after the Blood Price Update and i thought it was a new feature of trials, where your choice might actually affect the affinity, if you hadn't forged a bond yet
steep mulch
1.0 will have 2 new systems for the lategame, according to that Covid video
gusty slate
Wish we had a stat card so I could see Zag's stats
obsidian badger
Just wanted to pop in and say this game is amazing and supergiant is the consistently game company around
best
tiny bobcat
What is revealed in covid video?
gusty slate
I guess there isn't a way to unload with flares ;-;
brisk trail
Is it a known bug that sometimes boon dialogue doesn’t play?
Got a duo boon I haven’t had before but nothing popped up
gusty slate
Oh, is that a bug? I had some duo boon dialogue pop up like 5 tries later LOL
Because I couldn't remember if I ever got it >_>
I guess I never questioned it
rough token
@brisk trail that's not a bug
At least, not as far as I understand it
It will still pop up later
brisk trail
what do you mean pop up later?
rough token
Another time that you get that duo, you'll get the dialogue
Afaik it's not a bug, though I guess no harm in reporting it, just in case
brisk trail
How is it not a bug? Why would it not trigger the first time?
rough token
Because other god dialogue might trigger over it
brisk trail
Other god? I pressed the boon and zero dialogues happened
rough token
Other god dialogue, as in, the god saying something else. But if they didn't say anything, then that's not it
I definitely could be wrong about it not being a bug, I just don't think it is
narrow hemlock
gods should always have dialogue in the case of getting your first boon of the run from them, and getting duos afaik. not getting duo dialogue sounds like a bug
the game rewards you dialogue for nearly anything you do, there are few instances you dont get dialogue
burnt cave
yo why the bow stinky
rough token
Because it's different than the other weapons, and thus can feel weird until you get used to it
narrow hemlock
bow is pretty good once you get the hang of it. its the easiest one to hate but more often than not much of the dissent around it just comes down to differing playstyles
i hated it at first
kind moss
I love the bow
narrow hemlock
you're probably relying too much on power shot then
you can most definitely do fast runs on bow
gusty slate
Bow is amusing, hammers make it more interesting
brisk trail
idk about that but bow is miserable at killing theseus
dawn merlin
Bow works nice with doom, imo.
What I personally cannot wrap my head around, is the adamant rail ... hard to deal damage unless you get good weapon upgrades, which is not easy with al lthe RNG involved.
kind moss
athena special makes the furies a cakewalk
brisk trail
rail was my first clear. love the special
idk how it fairs at high heat tho.
and its aspects seem kinda yucky
dawn merlin
How do you use the rail with the random boons you can get? Or rather, what do you aim for mainly on any given choice of boons?
I just recently got past the last boss, so I can start farm Titan's blood for weapon upgrades.
gusty slate
Well, bounties go up to 20 heat (or a little more because of Hell mode), so it works :P....
Unless 20 heat isn't high
brisk trail
i just assume the meta for 0 heat clears is a bit different than 20
gusty slate
As for random boons, I try to lock in my first boon at least with keepsakes
brisk trail
tamdin im probably not equipped to be giving advice but u pretty much are going to get some special boons at some point
gusty slate
If I'm shooting for a specific build
dawn merlin
Ah, so you use a particular god's keepsake to get a starting edge and then change the keepsake after the first boss?
gusty slate
Yeah that's what I do
gusty slate
With mirror rerolls so I can almost guarantee that first boon
brisk trail
then boon keepsake for asphodel
gusty slate
I've had runs where Chaos is a meanie and doesn't show 😦
dawn merlin
What works for the rail there? I assume either Zeus' lightning on the main attack or some dot, due to the relatively high fire rate (although the reload of the rail always makes me not chosing that weapon).
gusty slate
Yeah something like that
Truthfully any boon can work
Artemis primary with shotgun hammer is fun
brisk trail
dionysus or demeter are good for attack builds i assume
dawn merlin
Huh. For relection on th a point-blank-aoe, kinda thing?
gusty slate
Shotgun hammer makes primary have higher starting damage, so scaling is better
dawn merlin
I have to use the rail more often ... or at least even have to pass the second boss with it to begin with ^^"
gusty slate
but yeah Zeus, Dio are good for primary. Ares/||Dem|| can work too
Aphro/Art/Pos might not be as good without some interactions? dunno
dawn merlin
Thanks for the tips. Gonna try that with the starting keepsake and aiming for the shotgun modification.
brisk trail
i didnt realize that was a spoiler sry
gusty slate
Without shotgun you can also do a special based build
Which is what I prefer because I like throwing bombs over objects lol
Hammer upgrades are RNG 😦
gusty slate
Special, you just pump out damage, I prefer ||Dem|| for the slow
dawn merlin
Yeah ... I wonder whether the 1.0 would feature something like "start with one hammer upgrade", as some upgrade for either gems or shadows.
gusty slate
Reload does take some getting used to though :/
brisk trail
random question but does hermes have any duo boons?
gusty slate
There's a hammer upgrade for no reload, Zag aspect isn't too bad either
Don't think so, he's his own stuff
only 2-3 per run
brisk trail
i hope some get added them. seems like some cool ideas could come from hermes duo
gusty slate
The RNG on that would be annoying lol
brisk trail
well there's already a lot of duos idk
gusty slate
but dunno, could be something
I wouldn't recommend my playstyle to anyone though, I'm quite reckless.
brisk trail
im still kinda new and adapting my playstyle
i used to feel incompetent unless i was on the bow/rail
but now im getting used to melee and like it more
gusty slate
Spear is my worst melee
brisk trail
the last aspect is a lot of fun for spear
brisk trail
its kinda spooky on bosses but feels incredible for clearing
gusty slate
Well, in high heats Asterius is my absolute bane. Drifts on a dime
😦
Redacted isn't in final form
v1.0 should bring that 
by that I think we're missing ||Extreme Measures 4||
brisk trail
oh i never thought of that
i hate using that heat anyway
||he's gonna summon cerberus||
north veldt
If you use Aphrodite's Aid on Theseus when he calls upon the olympians, it goes through another round of AoE while keeping him vulnerable. I wonder if there's a way to cheese the fight with that.
rough token
As in, he essentially restarts his call @north veldt ?
north veldt
Yes
rough token
that actually sounds a bit like a bug xD
though, perma-charming Theseus is absolutely a way to cheese that fight, regardless of whether or not he's in his call
north veldt
If I recall correctly, a side effect is that along with the call going on, the periodic calls also continue. Might be wrong though, I'll have to test it more.
north veldt
Alright.
gusty slate
Time to grab Smoldering Air to test!
rough token
ye, the one time I got a perma-charm build against him, I think I actually charmed him out of his call, instead of it repeating
rough token
because sometimes I want to smack things instead of stabbing them
steel island
gun
rough token
gun is also good
burnt cave
any tips for thesues?
steel island
kill minotaur first keep moving
burnt cave
damn i guess i need either a better run or more grinding
narrow hemlock
some threads on the steam boards with advice
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/2568689796950455700/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/2568690416478163443/
or you can ask the folks in #h1-builds-and-combat
dawn merlin
I had (and sometimes still have) trouble with that one as well ... it's pretty tough if you are unlucky with boons until then, too.
For me, it boiled down to: Keep moving in circles at the edge of the arena, focusing the minotaur and whenever you have the crosshair on you, dodge so that one pillar is between you and Theseus.
It's a bit of a patience fight.
The shield helps a lot there, imo. You can block nearly all attacks of the minotaur and have like two seconds to then land some hits on him.
fringe garnet
Supergiant missed a HUGE opportunity with the hidden aspect of the fists. It really should have been the ||Aspect of Apollo .... Creed! It would have just been contemporary plain-old boxing gloves, but it could also have changed Zag's character model to wear shorts (and possibly a robe) rocking a United States flag color scheme.|| Not sure what the special powers would have been though.
dawn merlin
Special power: ||Changes the special attack to summon a folding chair with which Zag hits the enemies. After ten hits, no matter the remaining HP, an enemy goes K.O.
... I think I mixed something up here, though, I am not good with martial arts ^^"||
narrow hemlock
i mean the 4th aspect fists arent coming til 1.0
you technically cant miss an opportunity for smth that isnt out yet. though based on the 4th aspects we already have i feel like its going to be a deity. and theres supposed to be a theme with the chosen aspects as well
dawn merlin
If Hades would be a game with DLCs - which it probably won't be - those fists mentioned by Reliken could be part of one, though ^^"
fringe garnet
@narrow hemlock I guess it would be more precise to say that I'm guessing they're going to miss a huge opportunity, hah hah.
A deity, huh? I've actually only unlocked two hidden aspects, for the sword and spear, but based on them I would be really really surprised if it's not for a ||quasi-historical mythological hero from a non-Greek culture, ala King Arthur of England or Guan Yu of China||.
narrow hemlock
its a theory i think has some merit bc ||we have three aspects from mortals who were deified in some way, and two current aspects from deities, so i can see where the final aspect could be a third deity||
also greg mentions theres an overall theme to the aspects https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/477164376496013323/746427499059347486
im not sure if we've actually figured out what precisely that theme is yet 
there was some discussion around it but nothing solid
fringe garnet
i am too scared to click that spoiler tag
flat vapor
i suspect the theme is as hidden as the identity of the narrator was
first guess would be rebellion though
narrow hemlock
hm might have go look back at all the aspect dialogue
flat vapor
wait, ig that doesn't really work with ||arthur||
but tbf i don't really know much that myth
fringe garnet
all i know is (aspect of the sword) ||king arthur is not a deity.||
narrow hemlock
that relates to what i spoilered
i said there were mortals who were deified in some manner.
cursive seal
The last hidden aspect is going to be the aspect of boldy
instead of two gauntlets you will have one mini boldy in each hand
*bouldy
short gate
bro
narrow hemlock
mortals who were deified =/= deities
to deify someone is by definition to treat someone as a god, but it does not mean they are one. i would say some of the aspects indeed fall into that, especially spear
maybe my use of deifying is confusing, but all i mean are mortals that were not gods but their deeds were portrayed as godly feats.
fringe garnet
Does everything that benefits attack also benefit dash-strike?
IE, "your attack has 15% chance to crit" - does my dash-strike also have 15% chance to crit?
flat vapor
yes
your dash attack is considered a type of attack (hammers are the only thing that differentiate "attack" from "dash strike")
in all other cases your dash strike is an attack (exception being fists' dash upper)
crude hazel
Hammer that say dash strike or attack mean only dash strike or attack, yeah.
flat vapor
meant fists' dash upper, not hammer's, my mistake
crude hazel
It's easy to see this with a lot of sword attack hammers.
agile saddle
Artemis also has a dash strike only upgrade
gray tundra
Not sure where to put suggestions, but I'd love a Story Pause option so I can let a friend play without feeling like they're gonna burn my resources or that I'll miss lore.
steel flicker
@gray tundra #hades-feedback is for that kind of thing. To write in it, read the pins in the channel
rough token
To write in it, you should read the pins in the channel
steel flicker
and that, too
rough token
Eule, please direct people to the pins, not to the command xD
It kinda defeats the point of it lol
steel flicker
Yeah, I've seen enough of misguided feedback myself so I should know better probably 
gray tundra
Thanks. Might wanna add that instruction to the readme-first channel, cuz that's what I read first hehe
rough token
You know, you might not be a minority, but it's far from a large majority who can say that xD
gray tundra
I barely use Discord... It just took me five mins to find the pins, but I see em now
Tyty
rough token
I'm sorry that the bar is so low...
gray tundra
(I'm on mobile heh)
winter river
Holy Asterius, I finally caught a stonewhal, my first legendary fish, and my last prophesy to complete! Only took me around 300 fish to finally get one.
rough token
Woohoo!
native sorrel
is there a suggestions channel?
past mirage
That would be #hades-feedback . Check the pin to learn how to post.
velvet juniper
Hey guys, I'm having a pretty brutal issue where when I start playing Hades, I can't stop for a few hours... Any advice? :D
sharp fossil
it will be hard, and require some sleepless nights, but with efforts its possible shift from hours to days at a time
hope that helps
otherwise there is no solution
lavish tree
@winter river pro tip: when fishing don't look at the float, look ~30 pixels above it
sharp fossil
yeah that actually helps sooo much, took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out
lavish tree
i love how such small game element as fishing allows for that kind of pro tip lol
sharp fossil
yeah lol
lavish tree
guys what is delta chamber? read it in someone's feedback
sharp fossil
its a hammer upgrade for the gun
slate jetty
hammer upgrade for the rail. "your attack is a 3 round burst, you never have to reload"
so infinite ammo at the cost of a huge dps downgrade
lavish tree
so 'delta' is a military reference?
slate jetty
my headcanon is that it's delta because delta is a triangle and it's a 3 round burst.
lavish tree
my thought after you explained is m16
zag ducking behind covers
calling air support
"ZEUS!"
stable plinth
Do its Delta I think like 4 way selector, and out of the selector you choose burst. but that would be the normal way it fires.
So I dont think its a military reference, as a guy who actually shot a m16
It might be Delta like a river.
hollow halo
delta has five letter so it shoots three shots because theyre both odd numbers
hollow halo
delta doesnt contain the letter c, which is the third letter of the alphabet, hence it shoots 3 shots
stable plinth
@hollow halo at least try to make your argument make sense
hollow halo
delta shares 3 letters in common with three, t e e and thus it fires 3 shots
viral rover
If you want to go with that logic, then at least start with "delta is the third letter of the Greek alphabet"
viral rover
Welp, you're right. I clearly am not thinking this morning.
hollow halo
make zag fire in a triangle around himself
stable plinth
@granite ether bring it to the devs
hollow halo
make it even worse than it already is
stable plinth
I only use the bomb in this gun
the "Grande"
Has anyone asked if we get the achievements on steam if we open up our save after the game lunch?
stable plinth
Gamma is the third letter @unkempt sleet read up
or use google
A B C D
Alpha Beta Gamma Delta
You even have the K L M N O P order in the greek letters.
unkempt sleet
I feel like I've been lied to at some point in my life
unkempt sleet
Must have been very early
granite ether
I am incredibly confused as to why I got @'d just then
unkempt sleet
Why is it called Delta Chamber when clearly Delta has nothing to do with 3
They missed the q&a and went for the next best thing
granite ether
I got no clue mate, I just help mod the discord
maybe something worth asking at the next q&a ^_^
void vigil
in other news, hades is now the most reviewed sg game on steam 
granite ether
gusty slate
Still EA too....
sharp fossil
in other news, hades is now the most reviewed sg game on steam
checks
overwhelmingly positive
correct choice, fellow steam users
slate jetty
it deserves it
sharp fossil
agreed
faint jackal
Question for Supergiant - will achievement be awarded retroactively or will we need to start a new save file to trigger them? 🙂
gusty slate
Uh, is Hades supposed to always say something inbetween areas?
gusty slate
I see, was confused when Zag said "Lets hear it" and nothing happened lul
carmine ravine
cant wait for release
fading gazelle
HYPE
plush cave
Still no info about the date 
fading gazelle
Closest thing is still fall
Heck it might just be Halloween 🎃
Judging how it still falls under fall
gusty slate
Whenever they're ready, I'll wait
narrow hemlock
i honestly wouldnt hold my breath on getting a date until release is fairly close, like a week or two off or something
will be an exciting time when the date drops, for sure
smoky leaf
after 46 escape attempts I just noticed the left side of the mirror
gusty slate
I think Nyx mentions it sometime
smoky leaf
yes
brisk trail
ah ok. thought i had missed something too lol
raw latch
Anyone know how to unlock the guan yu aspect for the spear? I have spend more than 6 titan blood, unlocked 7 aspects, ||fought Hades||.... I just don't know what else to do.
terse geyser
There's a dialogue for it, after which nyx sends you to the mirror
and there's a sparkly animation in which the symbol you click on to switch rewards appears
brisk trail
have you talked to achilles @raw latch
terse geyser
Anyone know how to unlock the guan yu aspect for the spear? I have spend more than 6 titan blood, unlocked 7 aspects, fought Hades.... I just don't know what else to do.
@raw latch check the pins in #h1-story-discussion
raw latch
Yup, over and over
brisk trail
i mean it looks like he has the conditions for it
raw latch
Also I have seen those requirements before, I just want to clarify, is investing points in the default aspect, count as unlocking one?
brisk trail
im not sure but i want to say no
quaint wind
@raw latch could you spoiler mark the last boss's name? that's a spoiler in this channel
raw latch
Sorry about that
gusty slate
The game is indeed always against us, darn Hades
faint jackal
Ok guys, bets who is going to help you get the last aspect weapon released with 1.0 ?
narrow hemlock
hard to say bc it really depends on the theme they go with
faint jackal
Oh, of course ... but I am still interested who do you guys think is going to be the last "chosen one"
narrow hemlock
there is little they do with the narrative that isnt without specific reasons so its not just going to be a randomly chosen person
thats why i say it depends on the theme bc thats going to tie into who grants the phrase
faint jackal
||I would bet on Megaera. She hasn't got any weapon aspect connected to her, didn't give up any weapon and it would be interesting to see her progress into helping us||
latent nacelle
Well, wouldn't that not work since Meg is Greek
narrow hemlock
well no thats not the point. the aspects themselves are non-greek. the characters who give you the phrases to unlock them are part of the cast
faint jackal
yup, that ...
latent nacelle
Ohh okay I misunderstood
narrow hemlock
but i personally dont feel someone who acts as a boss will give you a phrase either
latent nacelle
Meg is odd though because she's so personal to Zag
narrow hemlock
ultimately i couldnt really give you a guess bc it could literally be anyone since we have zero hints what direction they'll take fists in
faint jackal
Well, I would be all up for||Asterius|| giving it to us as well ... that would be really interesting
narrow hemlock
theyve said in qa they want antagonists to remain in an antagonist role for gameplay and narrative reasons so its def not gonna be that
faint jackal
well Meg is also antagonist and yet she kinda isn't
narrow hemlock
she is someone you can interact with at the house
antagonist in the context of the game is very clear, its someone you cant bond with
terse geyser
"kill them to learn more" in the codex
faint jackal
then we only have gods and||Persephone || left, don't we?
gusty slate
||Demeter|| has the greatest connection to fist
faint jackal
Logical choise would be ||Hermes || imho - fast weapon and such
@gusty slate She has aspect of them herself, same as ||Thanatos || - I don't think she would give us another one because of that
oh, nevermind ... I misread the second one
terse geyser
they misread talos
gusty slate
Why can't a previous aspect user give another?
||Achilles|| is an oddball I guess
Aspect of Skelly
faint jackal
Basically rule out for used
||weapon aspects - Poseidon, zeus, achilles, Hades, demeter
gods used - Nyx, chaos, artemis||
so ||Meg, Than, Hypnos (oh, that would be fun), Athena, Aphrodite, Ares, Dyionysus, Hermes, Skelly, Dusa, Cerberus? ||
narrow hemlock
i am going through all the 4th aspect related dialogue and tossing ideas with a friend but we're not really seeing any obvious common theming between them methinks its clear to greg bc he wrote it LOL unless we're overcomplicating it but idk im stumped
flat vapor
it's gonna be revealed through a throwaway line found by inspecting a 300k gem cosmetic ||much like how the narrator's identity was||
narrow hemlock
no one even realized the narrator is technically revealed until it got mentioned in qa lmao it absolutely was buried bc who was gonna sit there interacting with stuff in the house dozens of times to see obscure lines pop up
still tossing around aspect theories, will share in spoilers if we ever crack any interesting possibilities lol
winter river
I still think the final aspect for Malphon will be Creed of Apollo
viral rover
I'm thinking Gilgamesh
maiden copper
Didn't the ancient greeks have gloved boxing matches? Maybe we'll get Aspect of (Muhammad) Ali
winter river
Didn't the ancient greeks have gloved boxing matches? Maybe we'll get Aspect of (Muhammad) Ali
@maiden copper
Iike I said, Creed of Apollo
In seriousness though, I'm kinda hoping we get someone outside of Europe and Asia. Dandara would be a super cool pick since she would help represent South America and Africa. Also, awesome warrior queen who was a capoiera master and fought slavory in Brazil.
Muhammad Ali would also be cool but idk if his estate might take issue with him appearing or being directly referenced in a video game.
wind rapids
So I'm running|| beowulf|| shield with slicing flare and freezing vortex. I've been trying to get mirage shot. I've got the prereqs, and the wiki doesn't say anything about mirage shot not being compatable with slicing flare or freezing vortex. I can't find mirage shot. Am I just unluky or is there an incompatibility that I'm not seeing on the wiki?
rough token
Do you have the other pre-reqs?
wind rapids
For mirage shot?
rough token
Yeah
wind rapids
Yeah, I've got tempest strike and artemis' aid
rough token
Alright. I'm pretty sure it's compatible with || Beo ||, but did you check that as well?
gusty slate
I don't see why it wouldn't be compatible? Just an extra pulse is my thinking hmmm
wind rapids
Lemme check something
rough token
Which is why I'm pretty sure it is, just worth checking
gusty slate
It's also RNG :/
rough token
Also, Mirage Shot feels like one of the hardest to get
wind rapids
The sheild page on the wiki doesn't say anything
Honestly I'm used to getting mirage shot most of the time I go for a cast build
gusty slate
Probably just bad luck, but lemme try a run
wind rapids
I've gone through I think 4 posiden/artemis boons after getting the prereqs and I feel like it should have shown up by now. It's quite possible I'm just getting unlucky.
I've looked at poseidon's page, mirage shot only says its incompatable with curse of drowning
wind rapids
I was thinking it might have been on the shield page because the altered boon form isn't listed on the boon page
I don't know, I've never actually used it. Maybe that's the issue.
If flares are the same type of cast as curse of drowning that would make sense that mirage shot isn't showing up. I've gotten both poseiden legend boons so I feel like if it was going to show up it would have by now.
gusty slate
I ma try a run
wind rapids
I might try a run with it and go for blizzard shot, since that's also not compatible with curse of drowning. If I can't find that either it'll lend some credence to the idea that the flares function simmilarly to curse of drowning and therefore those two can't be combined with them
gusty slate
I got it
wind rapids
Okay so I was just unlucky
gusty slate
Took 5-6 Artemis boon selection (rerolled that many times)
wind rapids
Jeez. That's a lot. Maybe I get lucky at getting it with some regularity when I want it
gusty slate
Got it up in Elysium, so it took a bit xD
wind rapids
Yeah that sounds about right
winter river
Seems like getting two duos from 4 sepperate gods might be difficult if you're not mapping a seed out.
gusty slate
Eh, it's all RNG
winter river
At least as far as consistent replication
gusty slate
Well....
wind rapids
Sure as far as consistency goes. I got freezing vortex right at the end of tartarus though so I had time to go for it
gusty slate
Could always use the mirror upgrade
wind rapids
The rerolls I assume you're taling about? I've been running room rerolls since that's what I have the most charges for. I tend to try and reroll boon rooms into gods that I want.
wind rapids
I havent messed around with boon reroll just because I have 1 charge of it vs three room charges.
gusty slate
That's fair, I have 3 boon reroll
wind rapids
Well just picked up mirage shot also.
void vigil
@burnt cave thats a spoiler in this channel, please edit your message accordingly
burnt cave
whoops ill just delete since i dont know how to spoiler things
gusty slate
Redacted does that
brisk trail
man getting bad luck in styx is the worst
and apparently im incapable of dealing with the poison
gusty slate
You can highlight your message and right click to spoil or use '||' on both sides of what you want spoiler'd
brisk trail
a good run just comes to an end
wind rapids
I remember getting redacted by redacted the first time it redacted my redacted.
gusty slate
Poison is pretty annoying
wind rapids
Dude poison is really annoying
The entirety of styx feels like its just there to drain your resources
gusty slate
I run spearpoint every run after Asphodel :/
Still, Asterius takes more of my DDs than anything else lol
winter river
Wait, spearpoint triggers off poison?
That seems broken, no pun intended
(ok, pun intended)
wind rapids
I've gotten alright at dealing with the heros. Honestly the worst part of elysium for me is the mobs. Spear dudes have so much more range than you think they do.
gusty slate
I mean, spearpoint has saved me some DoT
Poison dart is nullified briefly, if you have spearpoint up
but still need to grab the tonic
wind rapids
I'll have to remember that in styx. I've been trying the feather duster as a sustain strategy up there, but spearpoint mitigation might be better
Since there's a lot of rapid attacks up there
gusty slate
I also play pretty recklessly so spearpoint is a godsend for me lol
winter river
I usually do alright, other than the boss Satyr
gusty slate
Can also deflect their poison
wind rapids
Deflecting the poison darts is so satisfying
winter river
Ya, deflect or just dashing around alot works pretty well
Greatest Reflex is always nice
gusty slate
but yeah just gotta find what works for you
Hunting down Athena legendary is also a thing too
burnt cave
athena legendary helped get me past thesues and get to ||Redacted but then he said nah second health bar you gettin smashed||
burnt cave
thank you
rough token
Sure thing! And yeah, I know that feeling xD
fringe garnet
Does Hermes' "special is faster" boon mean power shot weapons like the bow and upgraded shield get to their power shot points faster, too?
or is just the actual physical attack itself what goes faster?
past mirage
According to the wiki and my subjective experience, charging is accelerated. But others have said that they don't feel the charging being faster, so I can't say with 100% certainty.
fringe garnet
HMMMMM
well, i'm pretty sure running the slowest-possible power shot right now
so let's see what I subjectively feel
river haven
Where can I report a bug that I saw a friend experience while he was streaming to me?
rough token
@river haven he can report it in-game with . If that's not an option at the moment (say if he's speedrunning), you can drop a video/image in #h1-tech-support, and then he can report it later
river haven
Sadly no image or video, would it be ok to just drop a description of it? It's a pretty clear case
rough token
probably, yeah
river haven
Thanks
rough token
Sure thing!
rough token
this fall
remote lily
No date yet, just Fall 2020
smoky leaf
is ||hades' brimstone attack trap damage||? I had heat for extra trap damage and it killed me way faster than I expected
rough token
within the next 3 months
@smoky leaf || final boss name is a spoiler and the laser is not a trap, it's just a ton of damage ||
digital tusk
I hope hades does something like dead cells and lets us choose different maps
To get to the same final boss
Eventually
rough token
they're not planning on adding any more biomes, currently
digital tusk
It would definitely help replay ability
tropic quiver
i'd rather see balance patches or more gods after 1.0 to allow for more viable builds
new biomes take a lot of effort
tropic quiver
from the route-map or whatever it is you see transitioning between biomes it seems like there's only one way up anyway
gusty slate
Pls DLC SGG
deft cipher
Does anyone else get companion and God power buttons mixed up quite often
rough token
used to, got used to it after a little bit
gusty slate
I forgot companion existed for awhile
rough token
companions || are an extra thing you can unlock as you progress ||
narrow hemlock
final boss is considered a spoiler in this channel 0:
round stream
what its hades discussion how is it a spoiler should go to the hades not discussion channel to not talk about things
narrow hemlock
there is a spoiler channel. you can discuss the game but certain things are considered spoilers
and should be spoiler tagged
for reference text can be spoiler tagged like so ||text here||
its just consideration for players not as far along in the story :)
rough token
@round stream please edit your message to tag || final boss name and his second phase ||
Or, since you reposted in #h1-story-discussion , just delete it
deep pivot
what its hades discussion how is it a spoiler should go to the hades not discussion channel to not talk about things
@round stream From this channel's topic: "...No spoilers please...". Out of consideration to others who haven't made it that far into the game, please use spoiler tags.
gusty slate
but 
is ||the final boss.||
terse geyser
||shh don't tell them ||@gusty slate
calm laurel
||Really?||
jaunty sluice
4th Aspect of the fists should be giant green hands and be called the Aspect of Banner. You know, like the big green hands you can get at the toy store. I think they had those in Step Brothers or something like that.
rough token
@quartz knoll (from #hades-feedback ) It's not just you, the debuff does not apply to spin attacks (just wanted to tell you, for reference)
quartz knoll
which is suuuuuuuuuper weird
because it said boosted attack damage
isn't the spin an attack
like it got boosted by attack boon and all
and it really throws me off ever since alpha/beta whatever 5 months ago is
like I made the same feedback before
It's not like it's something OP either
and I mean I am happy they came to buff the AOE
but bigger spin doesn't really make it compete with Achilles nor Guan Yu at all
fringe garnet
ooooh you're saying
the spin attack
only makes REGULAR ATTACKS do more damage
not more spins?
fringe garnet
yeah, that's what i thought
idk if it really needs a damage buff, if you get the bigger spin daedalus upgrade and max charge it, you're clearing almost the entire screen
OH but i guess the spin is part of the attack
in the same way that the shield rush gets boosted from things that boost shield attack
hmmm
fading gazelle
I think the damage boost on the spin would be pretty op
But you can argue nothing is really op in hades
fringe garnet
yeah, i think so too (due to aforementioned near-screen clearing)
but i get folks being bothered by the inconsistency
quartz knoll
I mean
the spin is still obstructed by objects and wall
so yeah
they could make the damage boost lessen for the spin if it's needed to
fringe garnet
is there art anywhere of the Hades pantheon?
not the all-red-and-white from the Steam page
but colored
all the gods together
?
AND: keepsakes that make a God's boon appear next and have higher rarity.
does keeping it on in the next biome increase the odds of finding that God again? or is it one-time only?
slate jetty
it forces the god only once, but you still keep the rarity bonus.
fringe garnet
Got it - but, it's possible that said God may just not be in my total selection, right?
IE, I chose Dionysus. I see him when I first exit the House of Hades, and then not again for all of Tartarus
It's possible I won't see him again at all for all of Asphodel and Elysium
?
also - in terms of rarity, are duo boons considered epic? legendary? their own category?
fringe garnet
shell vortex
hey, has Supergiant said anything about like seed sharing or anything? I know the seed changes a bunch in play
and maybe its too complex
rough token
you can transfer save files, which keeps a given seed
shell vortex
yeah, I was thinking it could be done manually
rough token
but there is currently no way (without mods) to manually input a seed
shell vortex
was just thinking about like racing with a friend and stuff, but I guess the seeds would diverge too quickly
for it to really matter much
rough token
the seed doesn't change, it's just that a lot of things use numbers from the seed
rough token
stuff like rocks falling from pillars
shell vortex
I understand the original seed wouldn’t change, I mean the play outcome
rough token
true
shell vortex
could still try and race seeds but i am unsure if it would be as fun. maybe there could be some sort of like chamberlock flag or something that spins out a layout or roadmap at the start of the run and locks it if you have a certain setting set
but that might be ridiculously hard
carmine ravine
is there a hades modding server
flat vapor
yes, there should be a link somewhere in #self-promotion
soft nimbus
quartz knoll
wait?
the rarity upgrade stays?
I thought it only boost the rarity of the first boon you get LMFAO
rough token
the rarity boost stays
quartz knoll
also
which hammer goes well with the gun's 4th aspect
if I want to do an Attack build
rough token
depends on the attack boon -- || infinite chamber || goes well with Lightning Strike
quartz knoll
cuz I feel like the ramp up speed does not do much
I was thinking Dio attack cuz the nature of DPS
slate jetty
ramping damage is actually really good. You'd want to shoot the full clip without stopping to get the most out of it.
quartz knoll
yeah I mean what I experience is against bosses I don't want to stand still because I have to dodge and against mob nothing really takes the full clip
how good is tri-beam
slate jetty
you can dash while still shooting
rough token
this should also probably move to #h1-builds-and-combat
quartz knoll
yeah it should
remote lily
Lyre quest is real, you can become Lyre Hero
brisk trail
You ever drop 200 Obols on a Kiss of Styx only to see that if you'd checked the next chambers first you'd see Pat was in the next room?
brazen delta
Yep...
Same with buying healing items only to find a fountain immediately
I wish there was some way fountains were marked on doors
eternal nymph
I've been in both those situations. I also once opened an Infernal Trove but then I misclicked and left my reward behind to go to the next chamber.
sharp fossil
I've been in both those situations. I also once opened an Infernal Trove but then I misclicked and left my reward behind to go to the next chamber.
i have done this an embarrassing number of times lmao
spare sparrow
Hey, I just got my first companion, Skully. And every single time I try to use him I get a red X over my head
slate jetty
red x? are you sure you're pressing the right button? Red x shows up when you try to open the codex during combat.
spare sparrow
Yea, they say they're the same button
slate jetty
they shouldn't be. At least on gamepad the codex is LB and summon is LT.
spare sparrow
Ah ty
sharp fossil
back to trying the first save clear, i think i'm finally getting the hang of it
about to (most likely) die an honourable death to champions, but progress is progress
called it
slender monolith
brisk trail
What were their criticisms
brisk trail
Why is that weird
I wanted to know what stopped them from giving a 10
Or is it one of those things where the article is not released yet
brisk trail
you ever do a full run without getting a hammer
cause im about to if styx doesnt gimme one
viral rover
I have done, but mostly because I was doing a Poseidon Sword cast run and didn't need a hammer/wanted the other door option
ivory totem
do you mean not ever picking up a hammer boon or never seeing one at any point through the run?
brisk trail
never seeing one
I did have the chaos effect that hides rewards for a bit in tartarus which may have screwed me over
ivory totem
ah, yeah that mighta done it. im about 70-ish deaths in and i dont recall never seeing a hammer, i feel like by the time you make it to styx you see basically every kind of boon (although maybe not every olympian shows up)
fringe garnet
re: @raven wadi's complaint in feedback about opening the trove delay. I've seen this before, usually to wide agreement.
gotta share my thoughts on this: the reason for the delay is because they sync the end of the encounter/opening of the chest with the encounter music's ending flourish. it's written dynamically so it can end at multiple times, but it has to get to a "transition" point in the tune where it can smoothly transition to the ending melody without being jarring.
are folks agreeing with this bit of feedback basically hoping that they can open the chest while the encounter music is still going/hasn't ended yet?
narrow hemlock
tbh I doubt the music bit even occurs to anyone, that's certainly not something I personally think about. I just want my reward so I can move on. The issue is people don't want to wait for seemingly no reason
gonna be honest I really dont pay attention to the music anymore while I'm in the middle of the run, if what you say has truth to it then not something I would have ever noticed
burnt cave
Will piercing shot trigger cursed blade?
terse geyser
no
terse geyser
only your basic attacks (slash, chop, thrust) work
burnt cave
so your saying i pick up flurry?
terse geyser
flurry slash works very well with cursed slash, yeah
rough token
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quartz knoll
is it just me or the wiki is kinda behind
was checking the spreadfire hammer
and it didn't have ammo reduction
narrow hemlock
thats because the wiki is community maintained
if no one is updating it, it doesnt get updated
if you see something that needs to be corrected, edit it in
wheat sluice
Hey there, I'm new to the Hades Discord, love the game so far (made it to 3 Bounties so far). I was just wondering if there is any potential/plans for my fav Classics Hero to be a character or boss battle? Odysseus the tactician 🙂
narrow hemlock
have you checked the roadmap ingame? it tells you whats still planned
wheat sluice
Ooooh where
narrow hemlock
beyond that, no, theres only one character planned for 1.0 and it should be fairly obvious to the story who it will be
on the main menu
where it says uh. next update 1.0 or something to that effect, you can click that
wheat sluice
Ah ok yeah I've seen it then 🙂 I don't know I think it'll be cool if you guys did a poll for the next boss battle or classics hero you could add. I just loove Classics/Greek Studies
narrow hemlock
ultimately the characters they added were chosen to fit along the story, they never intended to, say, add the whole olympian pantheon, or represent all of myth or anything
wheat sluice
I see. I just love how Hades was one big goodie bag of Classics cameo appearances, Patroklos, Achilles, Thanatos etc
Even Theseus and the Bull caught me by surprise
narrow hemlock
you can check through #ask-supergiant though. its closed now since they open it for questions for specific times, but if you search through dev replies specifically (like greg's, for example), you can find some insight about various decisions theyve made, just based on what questions got answered
calm hawk
Have we gotten any updates for the 1.0 patch?
quaint wind
sometime this fall
brazen delta
damn, just got a perfect catch on every floor, and three of them were legendary fish
young epoch
Is there any consensus on the best zagreus aspect?
I want to progress a questline that requires me to have a gully upgraded zag weapon, but i havent really used any of em since early game
Also blood is scarse, so gotta up a useful weapon at least
void vigil
That questline requires a fully upgraded zagreus sword, iirc
young epoch
Omg that's true i just remembered
Thank you
You saved me lot of titanblood lol
I would have gone for fists or bow
steep mulch
the only Zag aspect I use is shield, as the effect is fairly powerful.
sand stump
We havent had the 1.0 release date right ?
unkempt sleet
nope.
It's very possible we'll have the announcement here in #announcements
So all we have to do is wait
tacit carbon
The fist aspect of zag is pretty crazy with the feather.
Especially if you get a dodge boon from hermes
coral orchid
my favorite build is zeus/poseidon with the duo boon personally
every time i attack with weapon and dash it applies 50% chance of 2 lightning strikes with knockback ruptures and close range bow buff
cerulean oracle
Hello everyone!
Does everyone know what is the thing Zagreus throws as his cast? Is it somehow related to his greek mythology or it's just a think Supergiant wanted our main hero to have?
vale kite
pocket blood
cerulean oracle
How do you know? Why this ability doesn't deal any damage to himself then? 🙂
cerulean oracle
Hmm, kay, thx for the explanation! 🙂 Maybe it's some kind of an artifact created by capturing his blood in some kind of stone or idk
void vigil
there is a codex entry about it that might let you know more
oak pier
I got the game yesterday. Spent 7 hours and got all the way to elysium
The fire chariots I dunno how to deal with
Because they explode if I hit them and deal 10 damage to me
viral rover
They explode if you trick them to drive into terrain by dashing through
Alternatively, deal with them at range with your bloodstone cast
oak pier
So, lure them into a pillar?
viral rover
Pillars, gaps in the floor, walls, hedges
oak pier
I've only made it to elysium twice
First time I died to a shieldbearer
First time with shield, second time with sword
tropic quiver
First time I died to a shieldbearer
wrong roguelike
terse geyser
spear, bow, rail and shield don't really care about them
oak pier
Whatever they are called
terse geyser
with the sword you can actually hit them with just the tip of your slash or dash-attack and not take damage when they explode
for fists, you need deflect on your dash or attack.
and you can always bait them into exploding on terrain.
narrow hemlock
if flamewheels spawn with other enemies I kite them as I'm focusing on whatever else spawned
if it's just flamewheels it really depends on weapon and boons. kiting is always safe but later on as you're using the pact you may have to deal with them head on to save time
deft cipher
Is there anyway to sign up to the nighly build/ beta?
crude hazel
Yes, but only with a time machine.
terse geyser
there is no currently no public beta
viral rover
The beta was for the current patch, there's no need to sign up for it
coral orchid
what games are similar to hades
crude hazel
Bastion. Transistor.
slate nymph
Other Supergiant games have a lot of the same feel and strong narrative sense that Hades has, so Bastion, Transistor, Pyre. For other roguelites, there's that Realm of the Dead Gods (haven't played yet, personally) but it has a very similar style from what I've seen. Dead cells has a similar gameplay loop, but is 2D not isometric.
coral orchid
@crude hazel what is your favorite out of the 3
crude hazel
Hard to say really. I like them all in different ways.
I don't pick favorites very well.
quartz flume
@slate nymph is it Curse of the Dead Gods? There's also Realm of the Mad God, but it looks less like Hades lol