That's what I do.
#h1-discussion
crude hazel
I almost always clear at least within TD 1 limits, but I don't want the stress in my life. I'd prefer to suffer more difficult enemies and bosses.
cloud apex
Hypothetically, you can run 53 heat as the only thing limiting you, which is time, is not present
However, tons of nasty BP2 or even AP2 combos, combined with a requirement of perfect gameplay due to RI4 LC4, makes that improbable realistically
crude hazel
But if we say that 20 is considered high heat, since it's the highest heat the game rewards you for. (or 32 I guess?), I'd say that most every run is manageable at those levels, with skill.
cloud apex
Probably 32 is the border of high heat as it is the last heat you are rewarded ingame for
And yes, with careful planning most runs will definitely be winnable. Wasn't there a streak ongoing rn?
high island
There's no universal definition for "high heat". I just wanted to know how high they meant lol.
Wriste13 did a streak on 32 Heat using every single aspect.
nimble ocean
there are two ways of definition.. 1st one is.. what's the highest heat possible again?
cloud apex
53 rn
nimble ocean
ok, thanks.. so, there are 3 types of heat: high, medium and low.. divide 53 into 3 and you got it.. 1-18 is low, 19-35 is medium, 36-53 is high
but i think that it's more relative, like.. if you have really hard time playing, that means it's a high heat, and if it not interesting enough, then it's a low heat
high island
It's all arbitrary.
cloud apex
Low heat can still be interesting
Just try RI4, 8 heat 
high island
For me, that's too low to be interesting lol.
high island
I'd go for RI4 37, I guess. Since the new record is 36 now.
mellow haven
what does it mean in the run history when it says it's Redacted form
flat vapor
if it's the weapon, that means you were using zag aspect
high island
Me too. A low, nice 50 Heat sounds just right. 
crude hazel
Richochet fire works with Aspect of Hestia, right?
manic bobcat
Yes sir
flat vapor
does explosive?
manic bobcat
Although explosive shot and richochet fire can be a bit buggy together
Explosive also works (alone). From my gameplay experience, the two together have weird interaction. I did submit an F10 for that fwiw.
crude hazel
How about cluster bomb with the rocket special for rail?
Does it fire 5 rockets in a spread, or one after another?
crude hazel
Lets try it out.
manic bobcat
Cluster Bomb and Rocket are like really really good at point blank. Put a percentage damage boon on Special and watch everything melt.
(at point blank range, of course)
slate jetty
Can you get cluster bomb with triple bomb? I assume no
would get extremely chaotic if you could
frail nova
mmm, cluster bomb and hazard bomb...
manic bobcat
That, yes
frail nova
when i first got hazard bomb, i though to myself: "well that's a super good benefit, just stay out the big red circle, 4head"
and then i got to styx
crude hazel
I mean technically you don't -have- to use the bomb in styx.
frail nova
sometimes i panic and tap q instead of reloading for some reason
crude hazel
Also, cluster bomb and rocket bomb got so riducloulsly strong that run that I didn't even need to point blank it all the time.
Highly recommended.
torpid pine
uhhh
stopped playing and quit the game mid-run, now i'm back and the save file says im in the house of hades?
i remember reading once something about a backup save, anyone know where/how to do that?
oh wait, it's in tech fixes
ill try that
yay it worked
lapis harbor
I hear there may be a chaos bug where the same name thing doesn't stack?
rough token
I haven't heard anything like that
idle lily
Hello all, I havent been on this server/in game in a number of weeks (most likely since the blood price update)
just wanted to know when any further update or 1.0 release might be scheduled for
flat vapor
it's still the blood price update, 1.0 is still "sometime later this year"
we probably won't get any new info until close to when they're ready to release
brisk trail
Hey there! I heard that achievements are probably coming with v1.0 but I was wondering if we will get them (or some of them) retroactively based on our current progress. Is there any offical info about this?
rough token
We don't know yet if they'll be retroactive
crude hazel
I think there was word from the devs that at least some of them would be.
Probably the ones based on prophecies.
brisk trail
well it would be really good I worked a lot on The Fated List p-p it would be a bit sad to start it all over again
flat vapor
@fringe garnet lol i actually think sgg gets too little good feedback in the feedback channel
besides, good feedback is just as valid as critical feedback imo!
fringe garnet
oh! well then, that makes me feel a bit better! Hah. On the podcast "Hello Internet," two YouTubers (CGP Grey/Brady Haran) once reflected on how after their channels/fanbase reached a certain size of fan, feedback they received was so often "from fans" that it became a sea of "good feedback" that all flowed into itself and stopped being relevant, and how negative feedback always stood out much more to them - that concept has sat with me ever since.
BUT. i guess it makes sense that not all fanbases and/or creators and/or content is the same?
I also imagine they've been getting a lot of feedback from people who have been along for much of the early access ride, and maybe newwcomers are less frequent these days. Although I guess also maybe not with the Steam launch? WHO KNOWS I'm overthinking things, obviously.
flat vapor
it's not much of a problem now, but i remember thinking many updates ago that there was little commentary on what sgg was doing right
knowing you're on the right path is just as important as knowing you're on a wrong path, but i can't really speak for sgg
fringe garnet
well, i appreciate the feedback-on-feedback, at least, hah. thanks for saying something!
flat vapor
nah, just thought it was a neat little thing lol, glad you're enjoying the game!
agile saddle
Did they nerf Ares call? seems like its lasts for no time on greater call
agile saddle
ohhh
narrow hemlock
part of the update
slate jetty
What a wonderful sight to see
https://imgur.com/tO7bHA8
mellow haven
ares' aid plus the rift damage ramp is a little bit less good against bosses
because less duration, but it's still good
brisk trail
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but could it be that my sisyphus favour is bugged? i've talked to hades and meg, given bouldy nectar and somehow i can't trigger his favour :c
is there something im missing? im on escape attempt 70, should have it by now i think
rough token
Messaged you in #h1-story-discussion
mellow haven
wow ok why is getting sniped offscreen in elysium a thing
can I adjust the zoom?
high level Hard Labor kinda relies on you, you know, not getting hit
crude hazel
The only things that can hit you off screen are the strongbows.
And they create a large, obvious aiming reticle on your when they're trying.
Along with a sound queue for their directions.
mellow haven
so I'm expected to know the direction from audio panning
crude hazel
Or run to take cover because you have a giant aiming reticle on your head.
brisk trail
why did i get this at the entrance?:o
damn bro chill is so good
demeters attack modifier with chill has to be the best boon in the game
granite ether
that's a scripted event @brisk trail
brisk trail
uh its rly nice c: ty for the info
analog crescent
when Hades will be avaible on xbox?
granite ether
@analog crescent from the #hades-faq
Will Hades ever come to other platforms?
We expect to bring Hades to a variety of other platforms once Early Access is complete. We haven't decided on all the platforms yet.
stiff summit
How do I use dashing flight of the shield?
slate jetty
I'm very certain it doesn't stack if you lose multiple DDs in one encounter.
brisk trail
imagine being thanatos and trying to beat zagreus in kills
but you're in elysium
and he just kills the little ones trying to regenerate after you do 9999 dmg to the big ones
ez game thanatos
slate jetty
throwing the 4th aspect shield makes it look like Zag is dabbing
https://i.imgur.com/L1B7qRN.jpg
desert sequoia
Anyone struggling to catch a Legendary Fish?
No matter how fast I try to catch them I only ever get “Catch” and not a “Perfect Catch”
I’ve tested my reaction speed on a few sites and can easily get below 0.29 ms, so why can’t I catch a Legendary Fish?
crude hazel
You're probably hesitating a little more because of the false bobs.
A lot of people use their finger to cover the bobber and just wait for the light.
You can also keep in mind that you can only have up to 3 bobs.
So after that, just click at the first sign of movement.
manic basin
I try to ignore all jiggles and tap the instant I see the white splash of water. Also I find myself holding my breath as I wait, though I won't encourage that 😂
viral rover
I play with M&K so I use my pointer to cover the bobber and focus on looking for the white splash. It's not perfect but I get way more Perfects that way than not. Still no guarantee of the Legendary Fish though
fair lance
I just focus my sight on any other part of the screen, my peripheral vision ignores the little motion of the bobs but immediately picks up on the bigger splash
past mirage
The odds are abysmally low. Did you get one, or just read about it?
brisk trail
no i just got one
past mirage
Awesome!
brisk trail
ive taken the boon many times but thats the first
past mirage
🔷
past mirage
Enter the #bot-commands channel and join it with ?rank
brisk trail
epic
stiff summit
Did something change about fated authority? Before, when I used them on boons, they almost consistently change to other boons but now they quite frequently change into gold, poms, or hearts?
high island
If you reroll a miniboss chamber, it will always roll into another boon.
spark wharf
tfw you just did a run with the rail and keep trying to reload your fists.
brisk trail
Every time, every weapon.
Even as I'm pressing the keys correctly in sequence for the other weapons, still mash that button.
sterile peak
better safe than sorry
hearty aurora
Gotta reload those fingers.
cloud apex
Everybody gangsta until sword starts reloading
lapis harbor
People press buttons other spamming dash strike and strike?
rough token
Hmm, what about literally only dashing?
With some weapons (read: Chiron) I have a roughly 1:3 ratio of strike to special >:3
sterile peak
Demeter Aspect solidified the "mash space, left click, and q" gameplay loop
brisk trail
thats kinda why i enjoy arthur
when i use arthur i always actually time my dash iframes to dodge
instead of just spamming attack and dash at the same time
although i really do wish you could cancel your attack at any point with dash when youre using arthur
against hades for example it often feels like you can only dash --> attack and then you just have to stand still and wait to dodge/deflect
because the upswing of the 2nd/3rd hit is too long so you wont have time to dodge if you use it
quaint wind
@brisk trail hey please spoiler the final boss's name, that's a spoiler here
rough token
@marsh jackal the game does save after every room, and there is a way to recover your run after a crash
marsh jackal
then what do you do after a crash?
I believe the game only saves after every room if you exit using the pause screen, and if there is a feature to recover a crashed game, it should be an automatic process like every other game
rough token
Also #h1-tech-fixes towards the end
The game does save after every room, look in the top right for the icon. However, it only updates the temp save unless you Quit or finish the run
narrow hemlock
wait i think i meant tech fixes LOL i am absolutely not here today
marsh jackal
I don't understand the need to stress that it saves every room if functionally it might've well not have saved in the event of a crash unless you take specific steps
narrow hemlock
if you save and quit, you'll come back to whatever the last room you finished was. it does save that much. as to why you lose the entire run when the game crashes and have fiddle with the backup files, thats something only supergiant can answer
marsh jackal
Yes however my point is that in functionality it behaves as if it only saves when you quit using the pause menu
lapis harbor
does increasing rarity increase the chance of seeing legendary/duo?
cloud apex
So far it is not confirmed to increase that
iron saffron
Finally got first clear today
narrow hemlock
@marsh jackal friend i dont know how to tell you we dont know why that happens. for all we know thats a limitation somewhere within how the game is made or something. all we can do is assume. unfortunately it is what it is
maybe it's something that can be fixed by 1.0 but we have no way of knowing
ive had the game crash, ive lost progress, ive had to go renaming backup files to recover my run. its not fun, i dont enjoy it. but idk what to tell you :/a
rough token
Luckily, they at least have it set up so it's super easy to recover a save
Not enjoyable, but easy
narrow hemlock
hasnt this been an issue since like.. forever
lapis harbor
Doesn’t make it not an issue
narrow hemlock
never said it doesnt?
however, my thinking is that if it were something that were an easy fix, it would have been done by now
rough token
Or, it may be an easy change, but would break something else?
narrow hemlock
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lapis harbor
That’s a hard fix!
But non-easy fixes that they’ve had a year+ to work on are more likely
granite ether
it's an even harder issue to fix when it appears to only occur on game crash
rough token
It's also an issue that only occurs because of the game crashing/forcing the program to stop
My personal guess is that it's because of how they implemented the "give up" mechanic
lapis harbor
my guess is that it's very hard to make it so you can't go "ugh, I want to try this room again" without these rules
stiff summit
Anyone here who prefers Fated Persuasion over Fated Authority?
flat vapor
quite a few, actually
lapis harbor
which one rerolls boons? cuz that's teh good one
stiff summit
Rerools boons=persuasion, rerolls room rewards=authority
marsh jackal
i foujnd reroll boon actually worse
i'd rather have more rolls for authority and get several boons in last biome
stiff summit
quite a few, actually
@flat vapor Really? Why? I haven't gotten consistent results with it but it might also be I'm using it wrong
granite ether
it's very much personal preference, neither is better or worse than the other
flat vapor
personally i use authority but i've seen good results with persuasion, especially among high heat players
notably, it can get around Approval Process (which slashes out boon choices)
marsh jackal
In my experience several boons > specific boons
stiff summit
@marsh jackal How do you force boons? By using those on poms and obol?
marsh jackal
I mean rerolling non boon rooms into boon rooms
granite ether
when you get to higher heat getting specific boons for a build becomes more important
stiff summit
Gotcha
marsh jackal
it's pretty easy to do for some reason in the final biome
granite ether
especially if you use approval process
anyways best this convo moves to #h1-builds-and-combat ^_^
stiff summit
I'm still finishing ~5 heat for most weapons so I'm assuming what you're implying is Fated Authority is more appropriate for me?
Alright
uneven dagger
What is that "weekly challenge" that people are posting on #h1-victory-boasting ?
slate jetty
check the pins in #h1-builds-and-combat
crude hazel
Well, I've gotten every available bounty... I think it's time to settle down and wait for the full release now.
I'm surprised there was no dialogue for it though.
slate jetty
Well, there is dialogue with dad when you complete all heat levels for one weapon.
crude hazel
Yeah.
marsh rivet
Surprised there's no dialogue for spanking final boss with ||his own aspect too||
tropic quiver
Is there a possibility of another god being added in 1.0
Would be cool to see Apollo
unkempt sleet
Unfortunately the only plan for 1.0 is to add one new NPC.
tropic quiver
||which has to be Persephone I assume||
past mirage
That is very likely, unless a massive plot twist is in order.
tropic quiver
If you do end up meeting ||Persephone|| then the ||pact of punishment|| doesn't seem to make much sense
Anyway just gotta see how they do it
narrow hemlock
well i would imagine they will set the ending behind conditions such as a minimum # of runs anyway
theyve done a good job of tying the narrative in with the gameplay loop, the ending will probably follow that as well
cloud apex
You have to be faster. Perfect catch has a window of like 0.3seconds 
spark wharf
Are there some fish you can only get without perfect catches? I'm not trying to brag but I pretty much can do it 100% now and I'm worried I won't fill out the codex.
cloud apex
Common fish is locked behind non perfect catches yes
spark wharf
I guess I will look it up and try to be slower in those areas lol.
I think I'm only missing like 2 fishes.
cloud apex
Chaos in particular seems to have a huge trouble with filling common fish codex for
spark wharf
Yeah, I've only had 1 fishing spot in chaos before.
cloud apex
and you likely got a projelly from it
spark wharf
Yup
spark wharf
Hmm, I guess try and do poisedon boons to get the fish boon and then take all the chaos boons I see?
cloud apex
Poseidon is an option but more relevant strat is to grab all the skeletal lures and ixion lights from charon wells in tartarus
spark wharf
Yeah, that too. But I feel like you would have to get pretty lucky to get both.
cloud apex
Tartarus in particular has a lot of rooms without "water", so the lure can travel to natural or spawned chaos gates
spark wharf
Or does lure stay until you fish from a spot?
cloud apex
It disappears as soon as it is able to create a spot
but as said, not all rooms in tartarus allow for one, so lure may be carried over
spark wharf
All right. Good to know, thanks.
rough token
@marsh rivet that's getting pretty close to spoiling || the final boss ||, also || he does say something when you fight him with his own stick ||
open mesa
@cloud apex its frustrating to not be able to go any faster ahaha! 😫
cyan idol
I have three death defiance now, CAN I ESCAPE TO THE SURFACE WITHOUT DYING ||Getting my butt handed to me by the big man himself.||
rough token
Good luck!
cyan idol
I suppose that's all the advice I get
rough token
I mean, if you want more advice we can give it
marsh rivet
Lol, your comment was not phrased like a plea for advice. It seemed more a rhetorical question
cloud apex
Getting death defiances isn't really something to adjust your strategy for, it's a bonus thing mostly
So giving advices here is sort of.. excessive
iron saffron
if you're lucky going through RNG hell, touch of styx dark is OP in the final fight
cyan idol
touch of styx dark?
On a side note, will it be easier to farm Titan blood, diamonds and all that boss reward stuff once I beat the game?
Or at-least the first part of it all
lapis harbor
Quite a bit easier
cyan idol
Another question, is Aspect of Hades a good choice.
rough token
It's a solid weapon, good even if you don't level it up
rough token
Any are good for different builds. Could try Aphro Special and Athena Attack
cyan idol
I keep forgetting to use the Spear special, partially cuz it's hard to land for me. ;w;
rough token
It's a good attack :3 Definitely worth a bit of practice
cyan idol
I mean, obviously, this is the second spear weapon (that I know of) that Supergiant made, the Brusher's Pike was already fantastic, but Varatha pushes it to another level.
Can't wait to get it's secret aspect as well
cyan idol
Most I can do is try.
iron saffron
Athena dash is my go to
agile saddle
anyone ever start a run and been like "damn this run is cursed" like bad boon rolls/taking more damage then usual/crappy rooms
iron saffron
that will absolutely happen
im 65~ runs in and i still end up dying in asphodel sometimes
agile saddle
i have been playing since Steam launch and sometimes i am just like wtf is happening?
cloud apex
i had like every single thing except a few select to go against the will to win
real gale
in ur opinion, what is the best weapon:?
me; Varatha
crude hazel
Mine is the Rail.
flat vapor
my main is bow, but i'd probably have to say shield
narrow hemlock
i just wanna punch stuff 🤧
mossy lily
wouldnt the Poseidon legendary be better if it just gave greater knockback and affecting bosses more, instead of just giving a second push
crude hazel
They probably don't want you to be able to push bosses.
It would be too easy to stunluck them on a wall.
Or bug out their AI.
cloud apex
It literally is one tbh
Wew yeah now I can throw the enemies out of my attacks' range twice as fast
flat vapor
it's reduced knockback, but there's still some
it's most noticeable on weapons like chiron or demfists
cloud apex
Poseidon chiron build time? 
cloud apex
Well, like, focusing on kb, not zeus mems, but ig that counts
manic bobcat
From a designing viewpoint, I think second wave makes sense. It's there to fit the knockback theme, more knock back = more wall slam, it also gives greater distance between you and the enemies so more Rupture value.
However, knockback as a mechanic is a bit counterintuitive for some weapons and aspects.
So don't blame Second Wave, blame Poseidon kit in general
mellow bridge
the olympian's aid powers that give you some sort of invulnerability (ares, poesidon, athena) too often feel like net negatives to me. I often take damage when they end, even when im trying to prepare for it. it certainly is intensely feelbad and i basically have to force myself to take them, telling myself im giving up a huge power if i dont take them. does anyone else feel like this?
and all that goes doubleso if i actually use them the way they're intended to be used rather than waiting for them to hit the 6x power boost every time (in other words only using them in boss battles). who honestly can get good use out of the version that only gives you a few second invulnerability?
rough token
Athena's can give you a quick deflect on command, Poseidon is quick damage on command, and Ares is good if you have the rest of his Blade Rift kit
mellow bridge
but to get value out of any of them you have to walk into danger. and i just...every damn time i take damage when it ends abruptly
so i just avoid them. but they're such a big part of the game and they should be something i get to look forward to
rough token
I definitely agree that the base calls (as in, not the greater calls) could probably use a signifier right before they end
jade nacelle
Has there been any announcement as to win version 1.0 will be here other than "this year"?
flat vapor
nope
granite ether
any announcements relating to when 1.0 will release will be posted in #announcements (most likely by Greg)
if there's nothing there about it, assume no news ^_^
jade nacelle
Thank you, friends.
iron saffron
Why do i feel like the fist HA is going to be of a Native American hero?
quaint bramble
That would be pretty awesome
rough token
pretty much lol
fierce ice
No cus you can only get one 😦
flat vapor
ice wine 👀
gritty silo
hey guys
just finished a run, first after the update
the true ending have not yet been added right?
iron saffron
correct
gritty silo
kay, thanks
another thing, i cannot get the rail aspect from zeus
do i need to give ambrosia to him?:
iron saffron
you have all the other prerequisites?
otherwise they're pinned in #h1-story-discussion
buoyant merlin
This hades drought is something else.. I know the devs are working hard and everything but whewie..
narrow hemlock
its only been a little over a month since the update
rough token
We were spoiled during the Beta with the weekly+ minor updates
narrow hemlock
honestly i imagine the time from blood price to 1.0 is gonna be a few months so im not really expecting to hear anything for a while
iron saffron
Same
crude hazel
The real drought comes after that.
iron saffron
Actually I started playing shortly after BP
crude hazel
Because the game will be finished.
iron saffron
Ok but, if SGG goes for a free (or paid) DLC for Hades, people will probably eat it up
crude hazel
Might be fun, but don't hold your breath too much.
They haven't done a DLC since the Stranger's Dream.
Maybe if Hades does really very well, so tell all your friends to get it :3
narrow hemlock
depends really. the most prominent theme to their comments in regards to this is that they have a specific story they want to tell with hades, so dlc depends on how they feel after the game's ending, if there's more they want to touch on or something.
wuv hades but me and a couple friends took our interpretations and kinda did our own myth oc stuff and expanded on that, so thats holding me over fairly nicely while i wait for 1.0 lol
rough token
@fleet ingot if you mean the text seems bugged, you can report that in game with f10 (from #hades-feedback )
fleet ingot
okay bet ty
rough token
o7
eternal tangle
im triying to get into the game but whenever i pres run on epic games store is launching....and then befor eopen it is closed
brisk trail
dont use epic games
open lava
so is it usual practice to try to get a duo boon by focusing on 2 gods blessings? because i just picked the artemis and zeus one for the best time and i did much better in most fights than usual
maybe try launch teh store before
maybe something needs to update
crude hazel
Depends on the heat you're playing at.
crude hazel
But relying on a duo boon can be a bit of a crapshoot.
open lava
i just got to the second phase of hades for the first time
open lava
seems broken 😄
brisk trail
if youre just playing attack best strat is get a good +% attack modifier then go for utility
open lava
well the zeus artemis one seemed pretty damn good for the thesus fight and the 4th floor
crude hazel
I like it a lot personally.
brisk trail
like ravenous will, divine dash, any hermes boon basically etc
crude hazel
But you'll see a lot of people very down on Lightning Rod.
brisk trail
some duo boons are quite good but theyre probably equal in value to just base hermes boons
open lava
i cant believe how much stuff there is in this game
tehres so much stuff
really maybe if youre bad
lightning rod is better 😄
just talking about myself kriem
open lava
i didnt get the calculations done
brisk trail
and your actual weapon does a lot more dps
open lava
can i somehow see my last equipment loadout
i basically only plaed off cast and special
i didnt use x at all
that run
brisk trail
which weapon
open lava
the sword
brisk trail
lol
open lava
but i got a lot of cast buffs+
brisk trail
i mean you can use aspect of poseidon if you want to use a cast build but it just sucks
you can use hera aspect on bow
if you want a cast build
you right click to load casts into your next arrow
combos really well with festive fog and anything that buffs fog
open lava
well i havent m apped anything out im just saying, i got zeus buff on cast, artemis buff on cast, duo on cast, jolt and artemis ulti and it was pretty strong even though it naturally doesnt synergize iwth the sword
okay ill see
i think theres just too much stuff to have specific plans early
brisk trail
nah with some weapons its so boon based
open lava
but that means duos arent necessary
brisk trail
i.e the hera aspect i talked about
duos arent even that good tbh lol
most optimal build is a +% attack modifier then utility
for most weapons/aspects at least
some are exceptions
open lava
i guess if you get the 90 damage daedalus upgrade on the sword and like 100% extra damage or so it sounds pretty good
brisk trail
nah the big slam sucks
open lava
😄
brisk trail
just spam dash and attack at the same time
open lava
you should rebalance the game
brisk trail
you reset animations and become invincible bro
open lava
how many heat levels are there
crude hazel
Technically 58 is the max.
open lava
but right now i just die to not knowing patterns and being old
yeah i still have to unlock alot of things
i didnt even get 1 pet yet
so ye
okay
well that answers my question thanks
but i have to say im impressed how much stuff tehy put in this
lol
so good
rough token
@open lava the || final boss and his second phase || are both spoilers
And for your question, yes there's a way to see your previous runs' loadouts, || the administrative chamber ||
rough token
o7 You'll probably be able to get it soonish
open lava
does the color around the boon pickups indicate rarity?
man my current build is absolutely stupid on this difficulty i have spear one way explosive shot with tons of added damge on it everything just instantly dies. i hope thats not also a spoiler
slate jetty
does the color around the boon pickups indicate rarity?
Boons from miniboss encounters (door has a skull icon with a small red arrow) have upgraded rarity.
open lava
oh i didnt even know
its just some at the shop are more expensive sometimes
man i winnered!
slate jetty
yeah, final shop can sell boons at higher rarity and poms that give +2 levels
open lava
when i skip some heat levels do i get all rewards of the prior heat levels? or is just self sabotage
past mirage
You still get all of them, but one at a time.
open lava
boo 😄
past mirage
Skipping from 4 to 8 will first give rewards from heat 5.
open lava
thanks
cloud apex
Yeah, you are in here for a good while
open lava
wait do i lose the trinket dodge when i swap trinkets?
void vigil
from the lambent plume? yes
open lava
hmm
but you keep the health and other boons bonuses strange
maybe the plume is good for the fourth floor then if youre storng
past mirage
The health from the Old Spiked Collar is also gone if you take it off.
The Lambent Plume and the Pierced Butterfly are best equipped all the way because it's easiest to trigger them in the earlier regions. They only register in the final tunnel rooms in the Temple of Styx, diminishing their returns.
open lava
ah okay
hmmmm
LOL
i played for like 10 runs now swithcing out the collar
becasue i thought i got the bonus, well you keep the money at least
taht misled me
or do you also lose it if you have it
crude hazel
You do keep the money from Hypnos's purse.
open lava
funny
past mirage
Yes, that is a bit inconsistent. See it as an exception to the rule.
marsh rivet
Also a practical consideration since you could just spend the gold. It makes sense too. It's a literal coin purse. You're just getting the coins inside of it.
cloud apex
Imagine if you had to spend the gold or unequipping the purse would take it back
tbf that's exactly how i imagined that keepsake to work 
marsh rivet
I do agree with the recent feedback thing though. The phrasing on the coin purse is quite bad. It took until watching a streamer to realize I didn't have to equip it in Tartarus (though I knew I could take it off)
crude hazel
Yeah but it's probably best to equip it in tartarus anyway.
cloud apex
Tbh asphodel is probably better for that. In tartarus you'd like to get a starting boon from proper god hence the keepsake choice
Unless it's a somewhat free-ended run of course (or golden touch memes). Then the purse for sure
crude hazel
I like going coin purse first, to help golden touch get going.
And let the fates decide what sort of boons I'm going to focus on.
And then I force the build harder in asphodel and sometimes Elysium if I'm feeling cheeky.
But I'm a 20-30s heat wimp ^^
past mirage
Equipping the purse in Tartarus will result in 30 more obol at the end compared to equipping it in Asphodel, provided you never spend anything and have Golden Touch. The difference is not that big.
crude hazel
Oh I know it's not a big deal.
I just prefer to start trying to set up my build in Asphodel.
Like if I get Demeter on the first floor and get her cast, I can force her in the second floor for the slow on it.
Or force Artemis in Asphodel and Demeter in Elysium so that I can really push for the duo.
past mirage
I do use the same strategy as you, though. Equipping a god keepsake in Tartarus often only results in a single boon from said god, because chamber rewards are weighted in a way that boons rarely appear. It's smart to get a god at random and force them later to double down on their mechanics.
Really depends on what you bring to the fight, though. Some aspects are more accepting towards random gods than others cough Chaos cough
crude hazel
Chaos does it all. With style.
open lava
btw did they every say why there is no personification of daedalus, its like the one thing thats not a voice acted "npc"
candid veldt
Any news from the devs lately?
past mirage
Im quite certain that according to the in-game lore, Daedalus is a retired servant. He finished the self-restructuring chambers and left his hammers behind. He probably got a spot in Elysium as compensation for his work.
open lava
@narrow hemlock thanks! how did you find that
also thanks to you @past mirage
greg and his justificatoins i suppose 😡 😉
narrow hemlock
its an answer i refer back to a lot bc hephaestus vs daedalus questions come up frequently lol
mellow haven
I feel like sneak's attack cycle is way way way too fast to be a tartarus miniboss
doesn't even give you enough time to charge a bow shot
open lava
well i think on his map you can precharge tho no
past mirage
With the bow, there are two ways of handling him - either charge and aim+let loose when he reappears, or dash in and do dash strikes/shotgun him with the special.
It can be anticipated where he will end up because it will always be knife throw x2 and backstab.
mellow haven
I have the fast attack pact too that might also be part of the reason
past mirage
Oh. That's harsh with the Sneak.
mellow haven
I'm trying a run where I level all pact to 1
and sneak is just brutal
(wringer spawns also don't help)
past mirage
Similar to this week's challenge, then. But why take the bow? It struggles with pacts like DC or FO.
mellow haven
I want to try it with a bow because it's a weapon I suck the second most at
past mirage
I see. A personal quest.
mellow haven
aka I want a challenge
past mirage
Try to get Divine Flourish or Divine Dash, it helps a lot with handling projectiles.
past mirage
Try a special build
past mirage
Depends on what you do with it. On hit effects like Thunder Flourish and Support Fire do wonders
mellow haven
oooo
past mirage
Drunken Flourish is also nice to poison hangover everything
carmine storm
so I've encountered a weird bug multiple times this run... I was wondering if people might be familiar with it or how to narrow it down more for a thorough bug report (if I can trigger it again)
using the shield with aspect of zeus... it gets stuck thrown out sometimes after I've killed everyone, allowing me to throw a second but no longer being able to recall either
and then... I started a chest timed event, I was back to one shield but no longer able to recall it at will
fading gazelle
Should probably 
it if it happens again. I also recall something similar with me but it was just the sprite. It didn't act as another shield and shortly disappeared when I entered the next chamber. This was a while back though and I haven't encountered it ever since.
open lava
i just have to say this is probably my favorite action game next to bayonetta and hotline miami 1
carmine storm
yeah I F10d a slightly edited version of what I typed just here
for me it disappeared, and everything would've been fine if it wasn't for a chest event... I forget what they are called
and it made it so I couldn't recall my shield
I just... really wanna trigger it again to see how I do it >_>
hollow lagoon
how to tag stuff as spoilers
urban heron
In the description for the Chthonic Coin Purse it says "start your next escape attempt with 150 obols to spend as you please" — I found it a little misleading since players can equip and get the effects of all keepsakes right away even in the middle of their current run.
@steel flicker #hades-feedback
oh what? we can? I never did that because I thought it wouldn't work. tbh, in tartarus I prepher the cosmic Egg, and If I am ever a few Coins short that will come in handy, thanks and have an upvote because my ignorance is proof that changes are necessary
carmine storm
yeah I only just discovered that recently myself
crystal zinc
Hey everyone I recently heard about the hell mode, so I wanted to try it out but for some reasons I have mandatory heat mods that I can't change, I thought you were supposed to choose all heat modifiers?
rough token
@crystal zinc the whole point of Hell Mode is there is an extra heat modifier you can't remove
crystal zinc
Okay @rough token 😅 thanks if my question was kinda odd, I was just wondering because I saw a youtuber showcasing the path modifiers and he started it a 0 heat
mellow haven
wow ok I heard some people say that a build that is capable of running high-ish heat through late game is likely to die to asphodel/tartarus
after dipping my toes into the 20s I think I'm already starting to feel that, even though it's not even super high
nimble ocean
guess, some boons will have to be selled then
rough token
Wdym?
brisk trail
uh it just wasnt working lol
it was only hitting once
i kept hitting sh it with it and it would only do 1 heart of damage control instead of 2
it worked once i got into elysium though
rough token
Please don't get around the bot xD
brisk trail
also epic rush delivery with epic hyper sprint
must be nice
perma +50% damage basically
rough token
Good that it worked once you got to Elysium
rough token
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
mellow haven
"I'm using arthur so i cant lose"
I literally just lost 12 heat arthur run and then the next run cleared with 3 death defy charges
rough token
every run is gonna be different :P some better than others >:3
mellow haven
on the run I lost underworld custom kept forcing me to purge privileged status setups
rough token
oof, yeah
mellow haven
so I had no damage
I went into redacted with 1 death defy, the gold damage up hammer for attack up (with like 30 gold left)
rough token
relatable xD
mellow haven
and doom special
which, who the hell uses with arthur
you just plop the aura down and spam attack anyway
going into styx I was forced to purge a choice of
athena cast
athena dash
something else that's also vital to the build
(the run I won was onion eater btw xd)
kinda hard not to eat onions as arthur
final grail
Is it just me or does the Hades logo underneath when you add it to “games showcase” on steam look really bland. It’s just a red background with yellow letters and a thin yellow line around the box.
I want to send a picture but it won’t let me
brisk trail
ive not taken arthur past heat 18 as it stands
but uh yeah ive never lost with it
dont think ive ever even gotten close
its probably not very good at high heat though
nemesis is just the goat for stygius high heat runs
narrow hemlock
@final grail just you. the logo is the same as they've been using.
dont necessarily need a background for that, sometimes less is more
theres a chance it may get updated for 1.0, im mostly hoping they'll make the showcase and recently played ones the same
final grail
Really? I haven’t seen it be used anywhere else. I typically am seeing the green on black, which I think suits the game more and looks much more appealing in general
narrow hemlock
green/black and white/red is frequently in use, im just saying they dont necessarily need more than that. most of these... god does steam have an official term for these showcase images lol, anyway most games just have their title on a simplistic background
final grail
Yeah but it’s the yellow and red that I think looks out of place specifically
Together
narrow hemlock
i feel ike if they change it to anything it'll be similar to the early access one they use (with zag on it)
eh it doesnt bother me that much
the inconsistency between images annoys me more
nah honestly i kinda like it https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/1145360/capsule_184x69.jpg
final grail
The red is just too much imo
flat vapor
it is very... difficult to look at lol
final grail
Black with some red or green in the background would look better
Golden text is fine
Just with red it’s super bright
narrow hemlock
you can always put it in feedback
personally i wanna see them use the zag from their twitter banner but as large as the logo is you prob cant fit it well within the image
gusty slate
Short stuff has been gaining some pounds, dunno if he'll fit.
narrow hemlock
your message made me question if i just accidentally tabbed into another server entirely 😭
gusty slate
final grail
worthy egret
Im gonna scream.
Finish run 17 minutesm
Go to take a screenshot
Pc freezes
Black screen
Im gonna lose the run aren't i
rough token
@worthy egret you should still be able to recover it from the temp save file
@hexed smelt sorry for the ping, StyxBot seems to be down, for #hades-feedback
Wanted to make sure someone knew ^.^"
hexed smelt
cheers, shall let them know
next vault
is there a screen that you can view that shows you your current boons?
next vault
oh ty 🙂
rugged fractal
Hey, guys! Can anybody explain to me, what are conditions for getting "Fully loaded" from Artemis now (besides being loved by rng, of cource)? I don't think I got it even once since "Nighty Night" patch.
I mean, is scheme on wiki is relevant?
slate jetty
You need to have 2 out of 3 of those:
Hunter's Mark
Exit Wounds
Support Fire
rugged fractal
So Clean kill and Hide Break are not counted towards this anymore?
granite ether
Not quite, it's any 2 of 3; exit wounds, hide breaker, hunters mark, clean kill and support fire
So what's on the wiki is correct
rugged fractal
Ok, thx. Then it means I'm just not in great resonance with RNG 🙂
granite ether
It's significantly easier to get than in nighty night in theory
slate jetty
on this scheme only hunter's mark, exit wounds and support fire have arrows pointing towards fully loaded
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/hades_gamepedia_en/b/b9/Artemis_boon_tree.png?version=1adc5adfee76c97432caf8426615f001
past mirage
Due to a supposed bug, Good Riddance is playing offbeat in my House of Hades. Still sounds great.
buoyant tartan
I suspect it gets fulfilled naturally as I play but, how does one gitgud at lute?
rugged fractal
I suspect it gets fulfilled naturally as I play but, how does one gitgud at harp?
@buoyant tartan you're correct
you have to play it 200 times, as I recall
buoyant tartan
What I thought it was from an event with...that guy
Does it have to be 200 at once or accumulated is okay?
hexed smelt
accumulated
buoyant tartan
Aight
gusty slate
It's pretty nice how he ||improves with the Lyre||
Caught me off guard on the later plays
radiant harbor
what is the "flare" that's referenced on the artemis picture & the wiki sometimes?
something that got renamed?
cloud apex
Flare is a variation of cast for one of the weapon aspects
If you use that aspect, all "shots" become "flares"
modern arrow
Why does it feel like a flex to kill ||Hades|| and then immediately buy the hall towels?
iron saffron
mood
manic bobcat
Styx Bot is on break again smh. Please change its name to Hypnos.
gusty slate
Hypnos is working hard!
viral rover
YammaYammer, it's even more of a flex when you buy ||a sundial||
viral rover
I'd love to see more Olypians, especially for the bickering between Zeus & Hera and Artemis & Apollo
crude hazel
Maybe if the game is wildly popular on release they'll make DLC.
That's what happened with Bastion.
So push it hard to all your friends 😄
manic bobcat
They have DLC for Bastion?
narrow hemlock
I mean, bastion was published by warner brothers, that's the difference here. there hasn't been dlc since supergiant self published
I'm sure wb's involvement was a big reason bastion got such a reach, I do remember trying the browser version to see how it compared when that came out lmao
tropic quiver
will shattered shackles work if i take attack/special/cast speed from hermes?
high island
Yes.
tropic quiver
Thanks
stone agate
Hi I just joined the server, wanted to give some feedback on something but I can't send it to the feedback chatroom would it be ok to just drop here?
I really like to decorate the great hall, but the decoration menu feels very clunky to me, its not exactly clear what items are in the same category, or where they will affect in the rooms, The scrolling is also tedious once you unlock more and more items. It's not an integral part of the game, but I really like the customization and think it would really elevate it if the decoration menu was more organized and not just a scrollbar with pictures and text ❤️ much love to the developers
rough token
@stone agate If you read the pins in #hades-feedback , you'll be told how to post there
stone agate
oh thank you my bad
rough token
o7 (I agree with your feedback and I'll upvote it :P)
urban heron
me too, Welcome to the Server btw
rough token
Yeah! :D
mellow haven
imagine if hephaestus gives you another different set of defensive hammer boons
separate from daedalus
mellow haven
seeing as hephaestus made achilles' armor, too
wind nest
What's the chance for a fishing point to spawn in chaos?
rough token
Small, don't know the number
flat vapor
like 10%
past mirage
And probably the "no fishing spot in the last 10 chambers" is still in effect.
iron saffron
which is kinda ehhh if you ask me
errant storm
@slate jetty got any more of those flow charts?
rough token
No worries!
granite ether
They're also pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat
brisk trail
Still the only game I ever bought on first day early release and never regretted
timid terrace
Devs, tell me when 1.0 is going to be released, or I will kill Skelly 
rough token
go for it 
granite ether
soon™
timid terrace
calm laurel
My guess... 2021
granite ether
well, it's been said on numerous occasions Hades will release later this year ^_^
unless nothing is said it's a safe bet that we'll see Hades leave early access some time this year
calm laurel
coolio
brisk trail
Wait, but if the Aeneid takes place directly after the fall of Troy, and Aeneas in it... That means that Aeneas could be in Hades?
past mirage
Technically yes, but with the announcement of only one NPC being added before full release, I doubt it's him.
crude hazel
If you want a ballpark guess, probably October. Ish.
agile saddle
will sea storm proc on all 5 hits of demeter fists if i have tempest flourish?
still shard
barring any internal cooldowns I may not be aware of, yes.
rough token
Generally Zeus' Lightning has an internal CD of 0.3 seconds @agile saddle
Don't know if that applies to Sea Storm, but I imagine it would
agile saddle
what is sea storm used for? its damage is only 40 and if it has a CD then it has even less use on fists or rail
crude hazel
0.3 seconds.
And it lets you double dip on damage.
Get all the sexy zeus benefits and the poseidon benefits.
viral rover
Depending on the weapon a +40 damage can end up being more of an increase than a bunch of Poms, plus synergy with Static Discharge, High Voltage and Double Strike.
past mirage
Does Second Wave trigger Sea Storm twice, or is it faster than the cooldown?
frail nova
i had the rail with poseidon strike (out of desperation) once. i had a special build with targeting system and triple bomb, and after i got sea storm i realized that i can really effectively keep even the speediest targets inside the red circle + the attack was actually doing good damage now, so that's a nice combo
i guess there's that
flat vapor
@rough token i thought it was only thunder flourish that has the internal cooldown?
viral rover
I think Zeus' Aid also has a "cool down" but that's more a semantics thing unlike with Thunder Flourish where it matters. Maybe Heaven's Vengeance? That could be tested by standing in a Brim/Snakestone laser at least
past mirage
Hypnos: "You were killed by a Snakestone, huh? I thought I advised you not to keep standing in their beam?"
Zagreus: "I did it to test the limits of my uncle's power"
craggy surge
Hey guys quick question (not sure if this is the right channel) i was scrolling thru the wiki a few weeks back and it said the house contractor had a portrait called "tots". Im getting close to finishing the contractor completely and still havent even unlocked it. Anyone know anything about how to do so?
viral rover
Erm, I just looked on the wiki and the only thing that I think that could be is the portrait of Cerberus because it has baby zag, than and meg in there as well?
craggy surge
Huh weird, looking again that protrait is no longer there, but i wrote it down so i know im not misremembering.
viral rover
It's possible. There's a little checkmark on each tab that's completed with the contractor so you'll know when you've bought all the things
craggy surge
Yea ive been using that but i still need to buy that dang 3k gem well so i wont know for sure for a while
narrow hemlock
@craggy surge I removed that entry when I was adding images to the tables. Or rather, that entry was merged with the Cerberus one. The original Cerberus entry that cost diamonds doesn't exist any longer, and it cost the same amount of gems the "tots" entry was, so I merged them to one entry.
craggy surge
Oh i seeeee that makes more sense, thanks for clarifying and keeping the wiki up to date
devout trail
i'm bouta buy this game faster than wotw when it leaves ea
uncut jacinth
I need this game on Switch more than I need oxygen in my lungs
I will purchase it twice for no good reason
devout trail
are the other SG games on switch?
lol i bought hollow knight on switch even though i owned it
never beat it b/c i figured out shortly afterwords how uncomfortable joycons are
uncut jacinth
Bastion and I think Transistor are
I just don't really do PC gaming so Switch, PS4/PS5, whatever. All I have right now is a drip-feed of screenshots and now and then going to this channel to see if there are updates on console plans, which there aren't currently.
But, like, Roguelikes and Switch are basically a match made in heaven so here's hoping it happens. 🙂
narrow hemlock
we wont hear anything about consoles until 1.0
uncut jacinth
And 1.0 is later this year, yeah?
tepid yacht
narrow hemlock
hades christmas update lets go
uncut jacinth
I'm patient. Just can't wait to get my hands on the game.
narrow hemlock
half the server would probably shrivel up in despair lol
uncut jacinth
For now I'm just slaying the spire until the spire can no longer be slayed.
And swearing loudly at One Step from Eden.
...very loudly.
mellow haven
somebody mentioned in feedback they want a bouldy plush
ngl I actually wanted a bouldy bean bag more
but it seems too absurd for me to want to post it there
lmao
viral rover
I maintain from the Supergiant Games channel; Cerberus plushie and Bouldy stress ball!
Let me pet the goodest boyo, and have Bouldy help me deal with the stress of not having Fully Loaded in a cast run
No I'm not bitter about it happening every time, why would you think that?!
narrow hemlock
if sg made any hades-themed plushies i think using the companions would be more likely
not just because theyre items that are already plushies but those compared to cerberus, on a production scale would be simpler to do
for the most part anyway 
alpine adder
I hope that if steam cards come with 1.0, we will get some cool profile backgrounds
Would be criminal not to have art good like that featured
alpine adder
🤔 oh nice
just wondering what the artworks will be
a lot of developers put artwork in the centre, so it's not visible at all
narrow hemlock
well theyve done wallpaper for all three of their previous games
some have artwork only on the side, some are in the center, depends on what the art is and how they decide to use it ig
alpine adder
yeah, that's true, they did good job with it in the past
well, to be fair, their backgrounds are one of the best
narrow hemlock
theres archives of my steam profile showing bastion and transistor wallpaper from years back. though i dont know who kept archiving my profile LOL sure wasnt me
frail geode
I’ve spent weeks tinkering with other games, in search of something as good as hades and I concede that I just cannot find it. Came back for another run this evening and enjoyed every minute of it. This game is incredible, can’t wait for the real ending
mellow bridge
ok i dont care about spoilers: do diamonds become useful to buy things again at any point?
should i buy them for 1000 from charon if given the opportunity?
rough token
They're used for a couple quests
You'll need I think 15 total for the quests? Not certain
narrow hemlock
arguably most important thing they're required for is any quest that reunites characters
and fishing rod lol
rough token
Any more details should go in #h1-story-discussion
tawny light
terse geyser
was the side entrance to the lounge patched out?
brisk trail
||spoiler chat up in here||
agile saddle
can lightning rod proc double strike?
viral rover
I'm pretty sure it does
warm kiln
Can anyone fill me in on exactly how the run seeds work? I was under the impression if you gave up, it didn't reset and you got the same seed, but I just did that because I realised I forgot to change my keepsake, and while the first choice was identical, the choices from room two onwards were not
It feels like Chaos Gates break them to me, but I hadn't been through any gates yet and the reward options were still different, except for the first choice
rough token
It doesn't quite lock the entire run. The first room reward is locked, as are the possibilities for the next rooms
So if you do several runs on the same seed, you'll see a couple consistent paths, in my experience
@warm kiln
warm kiln
Hmm okay
I was annoyed because I assumed it would lock my hammer rewards and I wanted to try a specific one, but it didn't
rough token
Wait, it didn't?
warm kiln
Nope
warm kiln
I still had skelly's tooth on from last run, so I switched to chaos egg
rough token
Though that shouldn't have an effect...
warm kiln
Perhaps just a bug then
rough token
It should've had the same hammer options, if that was your starting reward
warm kiln
Oh no, the hammer was a few rooms in
but the starting reward was the same each time
that';s why I assumed it would lock
rough token
Ah, that would be why—the first room reward is the only thing completely locked, the rest is still semi-random
I'm not quite sure exactly how it works, but routing is possible so there is a measure of consistency
warm kiln
Yeah, I've heard people talking about it with regard to speedrunning
but so far it's felt random enough to me that I can't see how
boons are all different, sometimes they're not boons at all etc
rough token
If you do a few runs on the same seed you'll start to see some patterns
warm kiln
Right okay
tropic ore
narrow hemlock
jerds being the real mvp here 🤧 interesting stuff and there's even a bit about that frequent question of 'why can't hammers be rerolled' so it's worth a watch even if you're not into speedrunning
alpine adder
maybe it has been said before
but I find it kind of fascinating how dead Aphrodite's eyes are
like its extremely fitting considering what is she like personality-wise
steel flicker
Not having pupils probably contributes to that
alpine adder
well...yea
but my point is that it's most likely intentional
she is a goddess of love that's cynical and all about the heartbreak
steep mulch
gotta say, i really enjoy listening to Hades's Court Session. Almost wish we could hear (or even read) the cases the shades make......
terse geyser
Anybody else on KBM switch to controller when it's time to pet cerberus?
nimble ocean
i believe, if controller would rumble every time Cerberus growls while recieving pets
the game would be 32% cooler
buoyant tartan
Dammit could've got sub-20 casual run, then I got 5-sacked
agile saddle
There needs to be changes to the out of bounds of levels. Spells shots shouldn't get stuck in places you can't reach. Enemies shouldn't float in areas u can't reach or in a pools of lava(for melee) The last boss shouldn't be able to throws skulls out of bounds
high island
@agile saddle you should probably post that in #hades-feedback. 
agile saddle
Oh it's been brought up. It's been like that for a long time
The invisible wall situation us weird as there are certain places that you can't dash as Zag but certain units don't have that collision which is the problem.
wild plover
Hey guys, I have a smol question. Does giving up end your current streak ? My current run is kinda meh
rough token
nope
however
giving up will not change your seed, so part of your run will be very similar
rough token
the first room reward is the only thing completely locked, the rest is still semi-random
sure thing!
formal saddle
what's up lads
rough token
not dying >:3
formal saddle
acoustic trout
how do Athena's boons Last Stand and Deathless Stand interact with Stubborn Defiance? Do they give you an extra in addition to the one that replenishes between encounters?
manic bobcat
so erm it's complicated.
2 scenarios:
- If you lose your Stubborn Defiance charge for the room and take Athena Defiance boon, you will get a Death Defiance because the boon replenish your charge. The next room you will have a Death Defiance and a Stubborn Defiance.
- If you do not lose your Stubborn Defiance charge for that room, you will get no extra DD, because there is nothing to replenish.
terse geyser
if you're missing SD when you get the boon, it gives you a DD
seems pretty simple @manic bobcat 
manic bobcat
I mean usually the follow up is people asking for more clarification and also which DD is used first, etc etc
but this is correct
if you're missing SD when you get the boon, it gives you a DD
if people interpret it right 😄
acoustic trout
why can't it give you one if you didn't lose a life, that seems kind of like punishing the player the player for not dying...
terse geyser
same reason you can't get it with DDs, and you can't buy kiss of styx with full DDs
it only replenishes empty slots
acoustic trout
but it sounds like you effectively gain a free death if you lose SD, since it recharges between rooms anyway
narrow hemlock
you only get one charge of SD per room, so if you havent lost it, then boons that replenish SD/DD have nothing to replenish. its not punishing you, its just the nature of how SD works
terse geyser
But yeah, players often commit suicide for health regen anyways when they use SD
so if you do that in every athena chamber, you never don't get the bonus DD
narrow hemlock
worth noting that intentionally suiciding for health from SD isnt typically seen outside of accommodating for lasting consequences at full charge
if youre not using LC theres not really much point in the deliberate SD suicide, outside of already being at low health anyway
i like how someone edited the overflowing cup in the bottom navigation panel on the wiki, and i genuinely never even noticed it was missing
sorry dio 😔
brisk trail
are you supposed to be able to get Artemis "Exit Wounds" when you have the Mirror perk "Stygian soul"? im not sure how that'd work.
past mirage
It does work: The damage is dealt once the stone disappears from an enemy.
viral rover
Yep, though you won't be able to get Lightning Rod as that does require the bloodstones to actually drop, whereas Exit Wounds happens when they time out on an enemy
crisp bluff
does anybody how to get the chaos legendary boon?
worthy egret
wiki says that the legendary is only offered if youve already visited chaos at least once before in that run
@crisp bluff
crisp bluff
ok
grizzled rampart
But since you can't have 2 chaos bonuses at once, why anyone would go 2 times in chaos if not for chasing the legendary thing ?
Seems a bit harsh
muted valley
What do you mean you cant have two bonuses at once? If you mean they dont stack like two attack bonuses, I'm pretty sure they do
grizzled rampart
I'm not sure of it myself, but I remember hearing Zag saying that his chaos bonus "changed" after acquiring it, so I assumed that we cannot stack it.
I'll play with the egg and put it to try later today
cloud apex
"My chaos boon has transformed" simply means it no longer hurts you and gives positive effect
It's one of generic phrases for that switch
brisk trail
egg doesnt make chaos rooms more likely, they just dont hurt you to access the room.
terse geyser
I'm not sure of it myself, but I remember hearing Zag saying that his chaos bonus "changed" after acquiring it, so I assumed that we cannot stack it.
@grizzled rampart if you look at your boon menu you'll see that both chaos boons are there. the voiceline from zag just means that a chaos curse turned into a boon.
grizzled rampart
Oh okay, it's just my bad then. Thanks for the tip
acoustic trout
is the Gift of Song prophecy able to be completed?
acoustic trout
Haha okay, wasn't sure, I'd gotten better at it but I've been practicing after every run and no conversation is popping up
narrow hemlock
def use it a few times each run, like 5-10 before moving on, because of the total number of interactions you need
brisk trail
the amount of interactions needed to progress are 20 - 60 110 - 210
flat vapor
it's set by which one you have
so if you've turned persuasion on, you'll get persuasion from keys
iron saffron
Ahhh
flat vapor
and vice versa
steep mulch
yea, whichever one you have
btw, it also works if you have Routine Inspection
i.e. picking up a Key will give you a reroll of whatever option you had in the mirror
inner wraith
Does anybody else get consistent freezes when tabbing out?
hollow hazel
Man, a round of hades always drains me, like, this last run was an uphill battle the entire way.
still tiger
Going back to the chaos boon stacking question - In the previous patch, when I got two of the exact same curse+boon (Atrophic Flourish and Atrophic Flourish) then it didn't stack them additively as I had expected, it just had the single boon image that was now "Level 2". Anyone know if that is still the case?
novel wasp
rough token
Happens pretty frequently
high island
@still tiger you still got the additive bonus then. It was just a visual bug that should be fixed now.
agile saddle
does hunter's dash work on the dash strike added to your attack sequence with rolling knuckle?
high island
Yes.
upper carbon
2nd escape complete 😄
i got lightening rod which helped beat theseus he'd block them with the shield and they'd hang round him striking him with lightening
then i sort of did the same with hades and the pillars over there
past mirage
That’s an innovative use! Most of the time people complain that Lightning Rod is ineffective.
upper carbon
i always kinda have trouble with theseus so figured i could use it like that going into the fight - for final boss it kinda worked cause I had to keep leading them to the pillar where they were
narrow hemlock
no word on other platforms until the game hits 1.0
@upper carbon also identity of the final boss is considered a spoiler in this channel
upper carbon
corrected
short gate
fist aspects should definitely be norse
unless ||beowulf|| is norse?
i think so actually yeah
flat vapor
english, i think
short gate
it says in ||Hrothgar's lil bio that Beowulf|| is a norse myth
flat vapor
imo fists should be something non-european
crude hazel
I assume it'll be Thor.
But I'm ready to be pleasantly surprised.
But Thor actually had magic gauntlets.
short gate
right i remember that
muted valley
hmm i remeber seeing something abt it being english, maybe im wrong
flat vapor
there's been discussion about maybe something from egyptian myth
don't know much about it myself, but it could be interesting
muted valley
hmm, horus or set
or maybe osiris
since he's the god of the underworld in egyptian mythology
also same arguement for anubis
narrow hemlock
thor's gloves were only for him to wield mjolnir, they had no purpose besides that. im hoping fists go egyptian as well, would be more interesting to me than going for a thor theme
ultimately i just hope they blow our expectations away like how they did with rail and do something no one expected lol
flat vapor
secretly i'm hoping for some indigenous myths :v
muted valley
was proud that ||rama|| was the fourth bow aspect
what do you think would be the possible abilities?
i hope its not cast based, cause while i love casts, kinda takes time to prep them
to be rly good
flat vapor
i would assume it'd be a heavy version of fists
unless they deliberately go the opposite direction, extra light fists
narrow hemlock
please im begging dont make fists 4th be a slower version like many other 4th aspects, i cant take it
short gate
aspect of star platinum
flat vapor
like all other 4ths? 😛
short gate
yeah, they're all pretty fast
it seems that the only natural best step is to make them slow and give them different properties
narrow hemlock
i would hope they can do something interesting with fists that isnt just "more powerful but slower"
flat vapor
tbf rail is pretty fast
short gate
true
muted valley
imagine being able to pause TD2
short gate
that'd be epic
narrow hemlock
i just. inherently dislike slow movesets in any game so i dont get along with 4th aspects in general lmao
muted valley
well the rail is a gun
void vigil
fists already has a hammer that is more powerful but slower so we shall see
short gate
that's fine, they're made to be more challenging
muted valley
cant make really make that much slower than a laser
short gate
i personally don't think the 4th for the fists'll be slower 'cause there's already a Daedalus upgrade that makes it like that
my personal least favorite one tbh lol
flat vapor
well, all the 4ths so far have unique mechanics besides "heavy + slow"
narrow hemlock
yeah but heavy + slow is still a main part of them that requires adjusting your playstyle for
flat vapor
hammers that change base damage aren't available for most 4ths anyways, since they already change the base moveset
like how you can't get world splitter or flurry on ||arthur||
narrow hemlock
im just saying that i hope they have some cool ideas that dont amount to heavy + slow again
short gate
i feel ya
muted valley
same feels
flat vapor
aspect of saitama, literally so slow and heavy the moveset is just one punch
muted valley
lol
short gate
i hope they give us fists that aren't speed oriented, but dodge oriented
muted valley
maybe it might be something like a martial arts combo thing?
short gate
that'd encourage a fun and fast playstyle that's different from the usual
yeah that's a cool idea too hub
flat vapor
fighting game-style combo system might work
narrow hemlock
muted valley
yea like more combos more damge you build up plus dodge or smtg
muted valley
grab n throw
short gate
grab smaller enemies
muted valley
makes sense for fists
flat vapor
i expected a combo system with fists but didn't really get it, so this might be the chance
short gate
yeah for sure
muted valley
or any enemy, make ||hades|| go flying
short gate
ghhh
narrow hemlock
i kinda doubt the feasibility of a grab system but even if they made one i dont think bosses wouldnt be affected. unless its like. words, god i abruptly ran a complete blank, uh poseidon boons, how push affects are less useful on bosses
though i do wanna just [lifts theseus overhead like a gremlin]
muted valley
i would love to thhink that the ppl from supergiant are looking at this chat and are thinking, " U have no idea whats coming mortals"
short gate
i think the grab fists would lead to a lot of funny art
flat vapor
grab doesn't necessarily have to stun a target, tbf
makes it more dangerous but still viable against a boss
short gate
maybe you could grab more than just enemies too
flat vapor
when i think of grab, i think of locking a target in place (like talos but more)
flat vapor
talos doesn't keep a target from attacking, either, so that could apply here