h1-discussion

[candid glen]

you need to hold it a bit before it goes off

[novel wasp]

oh and you can actually take that hammer which basically makes it a short dash or just shoot projectile

it makes chaos Q even more abusive due to shaved time

[candid glen]

i liked the projectile one

[novel wasp]

oh and im too late for this but

poseidon is so CHEESE

much GOUDA

MMMMMMM

[candid glen]

what's your favorite call?

[amber karma]

aphrodite 😳

you can use 1 gauge to charm enemies or the full gauge for big damage on bosses

[candid glen]

i never used that one

[amber karma]

artemis is good too

[candid glen]

i feel like its damage is too low

[amber karma]

i agree actually

[candid glen]

i prefer ares, zeus and the snow lady

[amber karma]

aphrodite's does 2500 at full gauge or more depending on other boons you have

[candid glen]

after fighting the snake with EM i agree that security is annoying af

[candid glen]

i think the elysium fight with EM is actually easier

than the normal one

[floral shore]

Theseus becomes a lot more predictable with EM on, Asterius becomes much more dangerous.

[candid glen]

which one is the bull?

because the bull was indeed harder, but i'm happy not to have to worry about a spear all the time

[floral shore]

Asterius is the bull.

His spin attack is lethal as all hell, I just tend to avoid EM3 if I don't have to run it. I'd rather deal with the spears than with a deranged cow whirling around.

[candid glen]

does fated persuasion have a limit?

the last mirror thing

[floral shore]

Yes, Persuasion max is 4, Authority max is 10.

The last five ranks of Authority make up like half the total amount of Darkness you'll need to max out the mirror.

[candid glen]

which do you think is more useful?

[brisk trail]

There's viable arguments for both.

Fated Persuasion is probably better at very high Heat (40 and up), but they both function up through 32 (the cap on in-game Heat rewards).

[candid glen]

do you think a petition to remove the suicide bomber would succeed?

[floral shore]

Persuasion is probably better in general, at least I very much prefer it. Authority is still quite usable though, I just don't think it's as good.

And you can get a Well of Charon item that removes the suicide bomber chariots.

[lapis harbor]

wait, there are in game rewards for heat 32!?

[manic bobcat]

yeah

"reward"

[rough token]

Excuse you Fox, that's one of the best things in the game

[flat vapor]

"reward" is uh, maybe misleading

but you won't regret it!

[radiant harbor]

I loved the reward

[sullen holly]

On this server where it shows the people are onine there should be a section for people which are playing Hades

[rough token]

There isn't really a way to do that

[amber karma]

hades raid mode 👀

[oak gust]

everyone with shields

[sullen holly]

There is

Astroneer server does it

[rough token]

0.o

Okay that's cool

[twin citrus]

Hey, where does one find the weekly challenge? I keep seeing people mention clearing it but I'm not sure where they're getting it from

[rough token]

pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[twin citrus]

Thank you!

[tawny light]

Finally got to F10 something

🙏

silly minor thing that got F10ed but still.

[rough token]

lol

nice

[torpid coral]

so how do I get Aphrodite's favor?

[rough token]

#h1-story-discussion

[torpid coral]

oof

[void vigil]

@twin citrus super late, but if youd like you can get the Hades Weekly Challenge role in #bot-commands to be notified about new challenges from now on!

[twin citrus]

Ah, thank you!

[rough token]

Wait what?!

Since when is that a thing?!

Sweet :D

[finite hazel]

When the newest patch will be released?

[rough token]

We don't know when, but the next major update will be the full release

[timid terrace]

I wonder if there will be any upcoming small (average) updates, or the next update to expect is 1.0 release?

[crude hazel]

As far as we've been told, the next update that does balance or anything like it is the 1.0 release.

So unless there is a game breaking bug, don't expect much.

[high island]

The next content update will be 1.0.

[blazing crypt]

Imagine talking to the Supergiant O-5

Couldnt relate ^^'

[analog crescent]

guys, one question: How i can transfer my progress om Hades from a old pc to another pc?

more specific from epicgames

[topaz crystal]

Afaik the Cloud Save is having some issues on Epic rn, so you can manually copypaste the locally saved files from your old PC to the new one if you still have them.

[analog crescent]

I just copy the game into a usb drive and put in another pc, right?

[topaz crystal]

Hold up, there's a proper method to recover runs/saves in #h1-tech-fixes which you can use to move your saves to another device as well.

[analog crescent]

thank youuuu

[topaz crystal]

If Your Game Crashes and You Lose Progress
Look at this one. You can use this to retrieve your saves and move them elsewhere.

[analog crescent]

ok

[analog crescent]

ITS WOOOOORKS GUYS

[short blaze]

I love this game so freaking much holy crap.

My girlfriend recommended it to me and I had no idea this would become my favorite roguelite, it even beats out binding of isaac for me which has always been my favorite.

[crystal granite]

Understandable, this is the first time I actually enjoy playing a roguelike so this speaks volumes

[short blaze]

I love Poseidon's abilities, I just wish you could knock bosses around.

what would you call it then?

[rough token]

Technically, it's a rogue-lite

But they're very similar

[keen talon]

not at all

roguelikes are extremely visually distinctive

[rough token]

Also, you can knock bosses around, just not as much

Uhhhhh

No

[keen talon]

roguelites are a pretty massive category that includes most actually good games

[rough token]

There is nothing visual in the definitions

[keen talon]

yes there is

a roguelike has to be top down 2d and tile based

with movement from tile to tile

[rough token]

And this is a rogue-lite, anyway

Alright, from a quick search you are correct about rogue-likes, I'd misread that before

However, since the developers themselves call the game a rogue-like on their page, I can understand people being confused by that

[limpid crown]

Release is 2020 right?

[brisk trail]

Yes, probably some time this fall.

[limpid crown]

Poggers. I saved my Hades virginity all year for this

[crude hazel]

Roguelike amuses me as a term.

It's like when all first person shooters were called Doom Clones.

And had to look exactly like doom.

[sullen holly]

OMFG I finally escaped

[vagrant ruin]

Gratz!!!

[sullen holly]

I was sweating so much at the end lol

[fading gazelle]

Post a screenshot in #h1-victory-boasting !

[sullen holly]

I can't find the achievement in the propecies

prophecies

[fading gazelle]

The first escape one?

[sullen holly]

I cannot see it anywhere

I screen recorded tho xD

[fading gazelle]

nice

[sullen holly]

Uploaded screenshot

Now I am going to get all 3 starts on the boons and complete all of the prophecies

sorry keepsakes

I still cannot figure out how to get the golden keepsakes tho

[vagrant ruin]

That needs time

And its related with ||Ambrosia||

[sullen holly]

I have all the hearts unlocked for Poseidon do I just give him the ambrosia?

[vagrant ruin]

For most characters : ||after you do a quest for them you can give them ambrosia. Some of them give you a golden keepsake||

Not all characters give special keepsakes

If you want I can tell you which ones give

[sullen holly]

Please can you tell me

[vagrant ruin]

Spoilers: ||Thanatos, Dusa, Megera, Sisyphus, Achiles, Skelly||

||After you do their quest and give them the first Ambrosia||

[sullen holly]

Thanks

How do you know their quest?

[vagrant ruin]

||Getting the quest usually needs to have gifted them with 5-6 nectar. Than they ask for something. You also get a prophecies entry related to that.||

[sullen holly]

Thanks

I had one of those moments when I thought I was so close to winning then Hades Regenerated I cried lol then died

[vagrant ruin]

Yup, I remember the feel. ||First time I realised hades fight had a second phase I almost cried 😛 ||

[sullen holly]

My head fell on my keyboard

[vagrant ruin]

But the game is well designed. Every run helps you improve as a player. Now ||Hades|| is not so imposing at all 🙂

I think its Elysium that makes or breaks a run

[rough token]

@sullen holly @vagrant ruin please spoiler tag || boss name and second phase || in this channel, and you guys might just want to move to #h1-story-discussion

[vagrant ruin]

Sorry, I didnt remeber ||boss name|| is a spoiler 🙂

tried to use spoiler tag as much as needed 🙂

[rough token]

Yup, and I appreciate that!

[vagrant ruin]

BTW I have to say I am amazed with this games community. Always helpful and never toxic 🙂

[final grail]

So does anyone know how achievements added for early access games work? I know they said achievements will be added for 1.0 launch and saves won’t be removed, but is there a check that will be performed when we open the save do you think? Or how would that happen?

[crude hazel]

Some achievements will be retroactive, some won't.

Depends on the devs.

[sullen holly]

Don't know I got the game when it was only available for epic

[mellow bridge]

i still haven't unlocked the "companions". can someone tell me in a partly spoiler way but also sort of not spoiler way how i should do that? I have been giving away nectar left and right. do i just keep doing that and something will unlock?

[rough token]

There are a few specific people you need to complete favors for

You can complete favors once || you've reached the locked hearts ||

[narrow hemlock]

most of them are npc you find around the house. so just go ham on the household

[rough token]

Does that help, @mellow bridge ?

[wind rapids]

Yo, in a similar vein, how much ambrosia do I actually need? I.E. at what point do I just start converting it to titan blood?

[rough token]

Need for gameplay, a decent bit if || you want to max out companions ||

But you don't need that all at once

[wind rapids]

Okay. So I need more than just enough to open each locked box on the bottom of the trinket container

Thanks man

[rough token]

Sure thing o7

[thin surge]

Where do you report a bug?

[rough token]

You can press f10 in-game

[thin surge]

Thanks

[rough token]

o7

[thin surge]

Is there a way to share a specific screenshot? Already finished the run where I found the bug

[rough token]

Not really, but you can still describe the bug in the box. If you don't think you can describe it well enough, you can also email the screenshot to SGG directly

[thin surge]

Thanks again for the info

[rough token]

Definitely better to f10 though, because that gives them a lot of information

[cunning elk]

Hello i have a question: we lost the save at the launch of the 1.0

?

[rough token]

Nope

Saves will carry over

[cunning elk]

haaaa

good

[rough token]

Yeah :D

[cunning elk]

i already lost 3 saves

[rough token]

Oh?

If you lose a save to a crash, there is a way to recover it

[soft kettle]

https://twitter.com/noclipvideo/status/1288945385487007746

Noclip (@noclipvideo)

Distance documenting with @kasavin for our latest episode of Hades: Developing Hell.

Twitter

More eps incoming!

[rough token]

Ooh, nice

[cunning elk]

thx for information

[rough token]

Sure thing!

[weary yacht]

will the game be on switch?

[rough token]

They'll talk about platforms/consoles when we get closer to 1.0, so we don't know yet

[wind rapids]

Hey, does anyone else feel like the hitstun on the gauntlets causes their effective attack speed when hitting enemies to be lower than what it seems when punching the air?

[rough token]

I haven't noticed anything like that?

[wind rapids]

I think I noticed it yesterday when I had the hermes attack speed up

Especially with the 3 hit heavy Daedalus upgrade

[rough token]

Ah, yeah I've avoided that one

[wind rapids]

I'm trying to think of a way to test out whether its in my head or not

[rough token]

Can test against Skelly a bit

Otherwise, fated Persuasion to get Hermes' attack speed boon?

[wind rapids]

I think a way to do it might be to record hitting in the air and attacking skelly, and then slow it down and see how much time each takes.

[rough token]

Yeah

[sullen holly]

It be cool if in Hades you could find some secret way or fight your way to Olympus

After escaping the underworld

[rough token]

The devs have confirmed there won't be another region (though I agree that would be cool)

[sullen holly]

I didn't know

If there were different regions they could do like sea sky and earth type thing

That will take forever to escape lol

[rough token]

Yup

[sullen holly]

All in one go

[tepid plover]

Titan blood for 15 keys? hell yeah

[rough token]

Yeah :D

[gusty slate]

I apparently find it oddly satisfying to stockpile titan blood after my long hours of grind

[wind nest]

Yeah honestly I want to fight the gods themselves in this game lol

I really feel like that’s what’s missing as like some sort of crazy bonus boss at the end of a run

[gusty slate]

||Charon|| isn't pleased

[narrow hemlock]

zag doesnt have any reason to fight them

[dawn yarrow]

Do devs think they will ever add Co op? Did they say anything about it?

[narrow hemlock]

no multiplayer

[dawn yarrow]

Not even in the future?

[narrow hemlock]

nope

#hades-faq

Is Hades a multiplayer game, or are there any plans for multiplayer? Hades is a single-player game. We have no plans to add multiplayer, as we have been building the design and narrative of Hades with a solo experience in mind.

[dawn yarrow]

thats a bummer

[narrow hemlock]

the game would probably have to be completely rebalanced to even do multiplayer tbh

[crude hazel]

Narrative first is the watchword.

[vast junco]

not really a bummer. not every game needs multiplayer capability or focus

[wind nest]

@gusty slate that boss is more like a nod to the traditional rougelikes that hades takes inspiration from like spelunking

[vast junco]

hades is best without it

[dawn yarrow]

Not difficult, a little more monsters per player and more hp and damage to the monsters per player

A bummer for me, its an opinion after all

[wind nest]

Rougelikes often have like extra end game bosses as like an ending+

[crude hazel]

You could probably mod it in if you really wanted to put in the work.

[vast junco]

and i'm offering mine in turn, yes

[gusty slate]

Would be pretty funny to have double Zag

[vast junco]

[smash announcer voice] green zagreus!

[wind nest]

I’m actually a hades modder lol and what you’re describing is currently impossible with the current mod tech

[crude hazel]

But there are plenty of this sort of game with good multiplayer out there. I like that SGG are focusing on their vision, gameplay and story in synch.

[dawn yarrow]

why impossible?

[manic bobcat]

Are you even a modder if you can't make a whole new game?

[rough token]

With how the game is structured gameplay-wise, it would probably require half again (if not more) code added

[narrow hemlock]

i would imagine a lot of it has to do with the engine

same wavelength swan

[rough token]

Directly modifying core functions, as opposed to manipulating values

[fierce ice]

Are there mods that add new content or is it just balance changes?

[manic bobcat]

The game is not even out yet

[rough token]

That's probably getting into discussion that should happen on the modding discord, as well

[manic bobcat]

There some qol mods with minor tweaks

But with the regular updates that can break old mods

It's probably not worthwhile yet to put a ton of effort in making something big

[dawn yarrow]

Gameplay wise is the easiest option, how difficult it could be to set up that it spawns 15 monsters instead of 10. I thought real challenge would be to add the multiplayer option lol

[narrow hemlock]

@dawn yarrow the modding server gets advertised in #self-promotion every so often, you are welcome to inquire over there what the feasibility of doing multiplayer is

[crude hazel]

It's not as easy as you might think.

It's more than just adding 5 to a counter.

[rough token]

Interested in Hades Modding?
Join the Hades Modding discord now!

https://discord.gg/KuMbyrN

[narrow hemlock]

also its not as simple as just increasing spawns, thats not. how you make something from a single to multi experience

[cloud apex]

for example, how would boons and hammers and other collectibles be given to different players?

[manic bobcat]

Isaac took 5 - 7 years after release for some grand scheme mod to be released (racing mod, Revelation, etc.)

[dawn yarrow]

I was replying to "Gameplay-wise needing half again (if not more) code added"

[fierce ice]

Increasing spawns would probably be easy. The function already exists in the game from Chaos boons. Making it multiplayer is a whole other thing. Look at how long it took for modders to get multiplayer in Skyrim.

[dawn yarrow]

yep, that's what I am saying, adding multiplayer will be the real challenge not gameplay 😄

[rough token]

I was referring to gameplay-specific code, as opposed to including the House and dialogue code

[manic bobcat]

Any other games that are similar to Hades gameplay wise?

[rough token]

Enemy AI would need to be at least partially revamped

[crude hazel]

Wizard of Legend has a lot in common with it.

[dawn yarrow]

And I don't really see a problem adding multiplayer, how could it hurt singleplayer experience? People can have their single player experience if they want to and still enjoy that beautiful gameplay with friends as well

[crude hazel]

That's one that does have multiplayer, if you must scratch that itch 😄

[rough token]

I don't think anyone has said that it would hurt the single-player experience?

[narrow hemlock]

no one said that at all, i think the general consensus is that its probably more complicated than you think to make hades into a functional multiplayer experience

[gusty slate]

It's just a lot of work it seems

[dawn yarrow]

I think one person said it or so

[manic bobcat]

It hurts single player experience if the devs have to spread their time to make multiplayer also

[vast junco]

and it just isn't what the devs want for the game in the first place so that's kind of where it ends regardless

[fierce ice]

Whether it's good or not is besides the point since the devs have already said no lol

[narrow hemlock]

werent we talking about the feasibility of having it modded it in tho, wheres this bit about the devs coming from

[manic bobcat]

(it's ok to make wishes)

[dawn yarrow]

how complicated? Hades is the first of its kind that will be a multiplayer game?

[rough token]

Also, adding networking to a pre-existing game is not easy

Speaking from a game designer POV

[manic bobcat]

Well tbf SGG doesn't make multiplayer games

Actually nvm

I take that back

[crude hazel]

Pyre 😄

[manic bobcat]

Pyre exists

[dawn yarrow]

Oh cmon, give me excuses and all but telling me it will be complicated... get out of here 😄

[vast junco]

i mean, the overall topic is multiplayer in hades, which had the discussion start with whether SGG even wanted it now or later at all

[rough token]

I mean... That's not an excuse. That's an explanation

It would be complicated

[dawn yarrow]

again, is Hades the first of its kind that will be a multiplayer game?

tons of people have done it, I think they can do it too 😄

[manic bobcat]

No

[rough token]

That's not the point, though

Yes it can exist, we're not arguing that

[manic bobcat]

tons of people have done it, I think they can do it too 😄
Who are they?

The devs or the modders?

[crude hazel]

The point is that it's a lot of work to add, mostly. Especially to add it over the internet, rather than in person with multiple controllers.

[dawn yarrow]

I am not talking about specific to Hades, but other dungeon based games that are actually co op

[narrow hemlock]

let me just put it this way, people who assert how simple it theoretically should be to add X thing to Y game are often oversimplifying the actual process involved in such things. thats a general observation and not directed at this discussion specifically

[manic bobcat]

You can already make multiplayer games Hades right now though

Just not the way you want it

[dawn yarrow]

For a dev, this should not be a problem what I am saying. My point is any excuse would be more logical than saying it will be complicated.

[manic bobcat]

Use remote play, remote acess software

One person control movement

The other attack

Welcome to Hell

[gusty slate]

Oh boy

[dawn yarrow]

😄 thats a fun idea tho

HAHAHA an actual hell this time 😄

[rough token]

But it's true that it would be complicated. Do you want me to try to break down every part of the game, as it exists, that would be hard to change? Because I'm not taking the time to do that xD

[crude hazel]

Overall, as much as I love Hades... The Devs have said they don't want to add multiplayer because that's not their vision. They want it to be how it is. A story based roguelikelite experience.

Adding multiplayer would be a few months of work at least, and I'd prefer they spent that time following their vision. Be it a new game or more stuff for Hades. Because their vision has created 4 spectacular games so far. I trust them as devs.

[dawn yarrow]

you are a game dev, and you say, "oops, I cannot do this, its too complicated."

[gusty slate]

All of Olympus would be quite amused by that kinda Zag behaviour

[manic bobcat]

This is getting nowhere

[vast junco]

it also seems like a moot point to begin with considering they just plainly aren't interested in multiplayer for this game. it's their decision, and you can disagree with it but it's their game. it isn't solely a straightforward choice based on development time and complexity, but a creative decision as well

[manic bobcat]

No one here is a dev

Don't speculate

[dawn yarrow]

"Overall, as much as I love Hades... The Devs have said they don't want to add multiplayer because that's not their vision. They want it to be how it is. A story based roguelikelite experience." Look, this was the answer I was looking for

[gusty slate]

Chaaron is coming, hideeee

[manic bobcat]

Move on

If you want multiplayer despite reading the QA, we have #hades-feedback

[dawn yarrow]

How logical it is and it makes total sense than simply saying "cuz it's complicated."

[granite ether]

The other thing that needs to be considered, SG is a small dev team the costs assosiated with implimenting multiplayer to an existing IP or in general are incredibly high and frankly untenable at this time

[dawn yarrow]

Overall, as much as I love Hades... The Devs have said they don't want to add multiplayer because that's not their vision. They want it to be how it is. A story based roguelikelite experience.

Adding multiplayer would be a few months of work at least, and I'd prefer they spent that time following their vision. Be it a new game or more stuff for Hades. Because their vision has created 4 spectacular games so far. I trust them as devs.
@crude hazel Thank you, I really love this answer and come to think of it, this idea seems better than wasting their times on adding a multiplayer mode.

that also makes sense

[golden adder]

I mean, I'm a programmer and saying it is complicated is completely logical
You don't simply slap multiplayer on a game you built for singleplayer

[dawn yarrow]

Dude, again, programming is complicated. You. cannot. just. say. it. is. complicated. As a Developer. This is not a logical answer!

[manic bobcat]

What

[vast junco]

???

[granite ether]

Imho for hades to even possibly work as multiplayer it needs to build from the ground up with that in mind

[golden adder]

Programming isn't complicated

[gusty slate]

Hades: "Boy why is it that I am seeing two of you in my reports, destroying my underworld?"

[dawn yarrow]

al though I got the answer I was looking for, thanks to @crude hazel

[golden adder]

Implementing a feature isn't inherently complicated either, it all depends on what base you're programming upon

But anyway lets let it rest

[gusty slate]

So, how much does Zag lift

[manic bobcat]

I mean I saw large single player Roguelite game that went multiplayer later

[rough token]

Not as much as || Heracles ||, apparently

[manic bobcat]

The netcode was ... not good

[granite ether]

Not enough to lift those humoungus weights...but noone can lift those

[manic bobcat]

How did they bring it to his Chamber thn

Are the contractors that strong?

[granite ether]

Charon probably used magic boatman magic

[manic bobcat]

Fair enough

[rough token]

Uhh Fox

[manic bobcat]

To put things in perspective

[rough token]

What channel are we in

[gusty slate]

Does the aspect hit that hard?

[manic bobcat]

This isn't my tuff

Wait a minute

Does the aspect hit that hard?
Which one?

[rough token]

Spear, aspect of || Hades ||, I think

I can check the wiki

[gusty slate]

Seems so

[rough token]

Looks like || 30 -> 50 -> 100 ||?

[gusty slate]

Need to play around with spear a bit more, still my most awkward weapon

[narrow hemlock]

walking back in here after going afk a bit like [comes up the pool of styx holding a pizza but it looks like a hurricane came through]

rail is still my worst

rail and i dont agree on things

still working through that relationship 😔

[gusty slate]

I guess my problem with spear is that it wants to be too much xD

[rough token]

Rail isn't necessarily my worst, but it is the one I play the least

[narrow hemlock]

dont think ive really done spear in a while either

i def lean more towards fists and shield

[rough token]

The funny thing is

I consider myself a shield person

But I basically only use Chaos

Whereas I use 3 of the 4 spears

[crude hazel]

That's because Chaos is fun. It makes the most use out of all the mechanics of the shield. Blocking, bull rushing and the special.

Those are the fun bits of it.

[rough token]

Ye

[gusty slate]

Zeus aspect does that too 😦

[crude hazel]

Beowolf is decent for that too, though it's a bit of a weird one.

I don't like the beyblade ^^'

[rough token]

To be fair, I also got my first 40-heat with it, so there is some merit to me being a shield person xD

Yeah but Zeus and Beo are slow

[narrow hemlock]

you can kite the shield around into enemies with zeus, which i find pretty amusing

[crude hazel]

Beo special build can work, but it really needs a specific hammer boon to work.

While Chaos just does its thing.

[rough token]

Chaos also has a pretty powerful special build with a lot of different boons

Utility, stacking, high damage, all of them function decently

[vast junco]

if you do get charged flight with beo though, it's basically smooth sailing. the ratio of charge commitment to huge damage output is kind of ridiculous

[rough token]

Ye

[gusty slate]

minor Zag aspect noises

[vast junco]

which is especially weird given that its strongest build has nothing to do with its unique aspect design

but alas

[rough token]

I actually haven't tried Zag aspect shield since they reworked it

[vast junco]

it feels a lot like old school shield from back in the murder, death kill or elysium launch updates

when the ideal rotation was bull rush and dash strike weaving

[rough token]

Okay but you see, none of those words mean anything to me because I started after Nighty Night

[vast junco]

oops

[rough token]

XD

[vast junco]

sorry lol

[rough token]

I just look like I've been here a while :P

No worries lol

[tepid plover]

can you increase the rarity of duo boons?

[brisk trail]

No, nor their level. If it happens,

[tepid plover]

it consumed my yarn

[brisk trail]

Picking up a boon consumes the yarn.

Were the other two common?

[tepid plover]

oh i see how it works

ok im dumb sorry

[brisk trail]

You're good!

[tepid plover]

so the yarn should increase the rarity of the 3 choices right?

[brisk trail]

I don't think it's guaranteed to increase all three, but at least one.

I don't believe you should ever be offered three Commons with a Yarn.

[tepid plover]

If I run approval process should i not buy yarns then?

if its not all 3?

[brisk trail]

Maybe not?

[tepid plover]

is kinda missleading, it says the next boon, not "one choice from the next boon"

[rough token]

@torn tartan you can save mid-run

(from #hades-feedback )

[tepid plover]

yeah pretty much everytime you pick up a reward it saves

also whenever you enter a room

[torn tartan]

It does? ...I'll be honest, I had no clue.

I never saw a "saving" thing so I just assumed it didn't... now I'm wondering how obvious the indication that I missed to not know this was

[granite ether]

there's the 'quit' option right underneath 'give up'

which also tells you how long ago the last save occured

[lapis harbor]

yeah, just don't alt+F4, it seems to have weird behaviours with it

[rough token]

There's an indicator in the top right when the game saves

And I can explain why alt-f4 is weird in the morning

Also @lapis harbor , you can equip the coin purse and get obol for it later on

[lapis harbor]

oh? I tried it once and it didn't seem to work

[rough token]

Did you have a chaos Bane?

[lapis harbor]

I haven't retrioed, maybe fluke of the game or my brain

... maybe, actually haha

that's probably it, thanks

[rough token]

Probably delete that feedback, then :3

o7

[lapis harbor]

least noticeable chaos thing, generally my favourite other than traps (except on Elysium, cuz I suck at those traps)

already had 😛

[tepid plover]

https://i.imgur.com/yt7sLfu.png

ok i was going crazy for a second

[lapis harbor]

Are there any pacts that people consider to be free heat?

[manic bobcat]

Tight Deadline 1 is relatively free.

(before people start commenting I want to add this caveat: nothing is free once you go high enough, but lower heat TD1 if not 2 can be fairly easy to do)

[lapis harbor]

Yeah I haven’t had troubles with TD1, it’s a bit stressful but only act 3 came even close to a problem

[terse ether]

any idea what's with the random broken font? https://i.imgur.com/Exc93wY.png

[rough token]

A bug, f10 it

@terse ether

[terse ether]

d'oh. I already picked another boon. Next time then

[rough token]

Ye

[open knot]

Tight Deadline 1 is relatively free.
Never disagreed with a statement more

[manic bobcat]

Sue me

[open knot]

Maybe it’s just my playstyle but I just can’t do a fast clear. My fastest time is 26 minutes

[manic bobcat]

Come hang out in the Hades Racing tournament then :D

We go fast and we like it

[open knot]

I’ve had TD1 on before and things go well until I get to Elysium where I get bogged down and rekt

[manic bobcat]

Yeah Elysium is rough

That and getting 5sack RNG

[open knot]

I tried it with the bow and didn’t even make it to Theseus because I couldn’t keep the souls from respawning

Which probably meant my build was weak and I would have lost anyway. But maybe not?

[manic bobcat]

What do you often put on bow?

[tepid plover]

approval process is free 5 heat early

[open knot]

Not my favorite weapon but I go for status effects on special and damage increase on attack

Where is hades racing tournament?

[tepid plover]

also, my game just crashed, and i think it counted as giving up instead of just loading my last save

took me back to the house...

[open knot]

You can save your run

I think it’s explained in the pin in tech fixes

Swap out ProfileX.sav with ProfileX_Temp.sav

[tepid plover]

is that for just a run save, or if you lose all progress?

[open knot]

Pay attention to the timestamps and you’ll see one is from when you started the run and the other is from when you last entered or cleared a room

[tepid plover]

meh, ill just do the run again

[manic bobcat]

Since this is not #self-promotion I'll just say the Hades racing tournament is on Twitch tomorrow at 6pm CST.

[terse ether]

I like to take my time

[manic bobcat]

I can link you in #self-promotion if you are interested

[open knot]

I’ll find it if I remember

[granite ether]

it's the most recent post in #self-promotion actually :3

[manic bobcat]

Ay

Thanks Chaaron.

Well come watch me lose tomorrow 😂

[open knot]

Maybe I’ll learn something

[brisk trail]

Hello! Are any of the devs around for me to ask a quick question?

Or rather anyone around that can answer it for me at least.

Got Hades on Epic Games but would much rather migrate to Steam, planning on rebuying it either way, but is it possible to migrate my save data?

^^;

[jade nacelle]

I can't give a definitive answer on that right now and you might want to post this question to #h1-tech-support as well, but I'm fairly sure there is a local hard save in the files at least for the Steam version. I imagine you can copy and paste that over. Wait until you get an answer from someone who knows for certain, though. I'd hate for you to lose your data 😦

[granite ether]

the saves will transfer over (assuming you're using the same computer)

[brisk trail]

Alright threw it over! Fingers crossed. I also just realized I shouldn't do computer things at night because my goldfish brain uninstalled the game from epic so now I gotta redownload it to have access to the local files again

[jade nacelle]

Lucky you. My goldfish brain is on night or day.

[brisk trail]

Haha feels on that. I'm just asleep during the day XD

I'm tempted to say screw it and just start over.

[jade nacelle]

I suppose that's up to you and how you feel about the progress you've made. I have close to 300 hours and if I lost my data I'd never play the game again.

[brisk trail]

Yeah I got to thinking about just how much progress I'd lose with just 4 days of play.

[high island]

The save files for Epic and Steam are the same.

Copying your profile shouldn't be a problem.

[brisk trail]

Cool. Luckily there are no achievements yet.

[high island]

I don't know if uninstalling the game wipes your saves, though.

[brisk trail]

Knowing Epic it just might because... well Epic.

[timid terrace]

Wanted to ask. Does Chaos chamber counts as 1 room? I mean, if I choose to visit Chaos, does that mean that I skip 1 common chamber?

[brisk trail]

Yeh

[fading gazelle]

Yes

[high island]

Yeah, it counts as a chamber.

[timid terrace]

[jade nacelle]

Oh, really? I thought it counted as an extra chamber.

Erebus is extra, right?

[high island]

Nope.

[jade nacelle]

How certain of that are you?

[high island]

100%.

[jade nacelle]

At the very least it counts as an extra chamber if taken in the second to the last room before a boss.

[fading gazelle]

In that case yes

Otherwise it just substitutes a normal room

[agile saddle]

is it just me or does it seems like Benefits Package spawns more armored foes then usual?

and not talking about the clone trait

[crude hazel]

Probably confirmation bias at play there.

You notice armored foes more because they do quirky things.

Rather than just dying slightly slower.

[plush raptor]

Question: using aspect of Hestia, does the Explosive Fire hammer nullify Ricochet Fire?

[high island]

Availability bias. Confirmation bias is something else.

No idea about those two hammers on Hestia, unfortunately.

They should work together. Explosive Fire doesn't block Ricochet Fire from appearing—nor vice versa.

[plush raptor]

I've tried it twice now, and I'm not entirely sure. Ricochet Fire is supposed to trigger on every shot, not randomly, yes?

Because it seems to me that once Explosive Fire is picked up the shots won't ricochet anymore.

[high island]

I don't think I've ever used Ricochet Fire. If something feels wrong about it, F10 in game to send a bug report.

[crude hazel]

The Hestia shot doesn't proc most special effects, keep that in mind.

[plush raptor]

But Hestia with only Ricochet does ricochet.

It's only after adding Explosive that it seems to stop. If that's the case, either one should not be offered if the other's already been chosen.

If someone could check on a future run that would be great.

[crude hazel]

If it ever comes up I guess.

[plush raptor]

Could be I'm just stupid, after all.

[high island]

You can F10 that at any time and explain the problem. Don't need to wait until you get those two specific hammers.

[granite ether]

@agile saddle please refrain from discussing feeding in the feedback channel. Please discuss it in #h1-builds-and-combat if you wish to do so

[jade nacelle]

Sometimes I walk into a Charon shop and Zagreus will say "something's here" but the bag to ||fight Charon|| with is absent, there are no fish, and nothing seems out of the ordinary. Is this a misplaced voice line or am I missing something?

I've had Zagreus say it and the ||bag to fight Charon is there|| so I assumed it was in reference to that.

[crude hazel]

I think that's just a shop line.

[high island]

That's probably something for the feedback channel. It's a confusing line now after the Blood Price Update.

[jade nacelle]

Interesting. I'll make a post.

[agile saddle]

@granite ether feeding? I am confused

[granite ether]

Your most recent post in #hades-feedback wasn't suited for that channel but instead #h1-builds-and-combat @agile saddle (which has been deleted)

[worthy egret]

I just learned how to hold an insect properly without hurting them (strongest point of their wings or their torso either from the sides or the back and belly) and all i can imagine is Chaos using that knowledge when picking Zag up
Chaos just. Looking at Zag in their hands like you would at a colourful bug

[past mirage]

The same way Chaos holds the planet, then.

[worthy egret]

Yee! Forgot about that lmao

[random ermine]

Any news on an upcoming Q&A session?

[rough token]

Nope

[random ermine]

Okay, thanks

[narrow hemlock]

most likely not until after 1.0 is released

[crisp dome]

Will 1.0 include steam achievements?

[final grail]

Yes @crisp dome

[crisp dome]

Thank you @final grail

[radiant harbor]

What is the % for charon’s bag to spawn?

Anyone know

[rough token]

20%

[vale kite]

22%

[rough token]

Or that

[manic bobcat]

25 last offer

[cloud apex]

26.666% or busted

[timid terrace]

Hey guys, Avengers-level question. If I use the Gera aspect bow (which loads your crystalls into the shot) - does it make any sence to pick up boons that modify my "throw" ? Since I basically cant throw crystalls with this bow

[rough token]

They'll still have effects

Hera Bow still functions in a similar way to throwing your casts normally

[timid terrace]

Thx mate

[rough token]

o7 sure thing!

Good luck ^.^

[thin surge]

After 25 heat you get no more rewards?

[rough token]

On Hell Mode, yes. Otherwise, 20

[thin surge]

I see thanks

[rough token]

o7

[manic bobcat]

@thin surge you can get a mini quest reward at 32 heat.

just need to do it once though

[winter cedar]

quick question, for unlocking excalibur i need to invest 5 titanblood into the sword after getting the spear aspect of guan right? does that mean 5 titan bloods in upgrades or just in the weapon total, like does unlocking aspects count towards the blood count

[vast junco]

weapon total, doesn't matter how or where you put it

as long as it's in the weapon

could spread it evenly or focus it, etc.

[winter cedar]

thank you, just beat my first run so im trying to get excal now

[vast junco]

oh congrats and good luck!

[winter cedar]

thank you

[vast rivet]

just saw flame wheels with the teleportation benefit for the first time, was NOT a fan

[worthy egret]

YEAHHH THAT

[vast junco]

now get excited for when they have that and the speeder benefit

[worthy egret]

THAT ONE ISNT FUN

Especially if

You have the butterfly

[brisk trail]

I still don't think anything has ever been worse than Shifter Puller.

[vast junco]

that really is especially cruel on foes that just want to get right next to you like flame wheels and chariots

[brisk trail]

The Flamewheels teleported behind me so closely that I was inside the event horizon and could not escape.

[worthy egret]

omae wa mou shindeiru.

Nani???

🚆

[brisk trail]

If it had been Chariots, yes, but thankfully it was just Flamewheels.

[vast junco]

🐱 💥

[worthy egret]

🦋 ✝️

I also got them in erebus

That was an onion

[vast rivet]

this is probably a dumb question, but does a trip to erebus take up a chamber slot?

[flat vapor]

yes

[vast junco]

it does

[brisk trail]

Yes, unless it's right before a boss shop.

[vast junco]

true

[vast rivet]

yeah, wasnt sure since im too chicken to try it even tho my high is 16 heat

[brisk trail]

Both Erebus and Chaos Gates will give you a bonus chamber, as well as usually giving you a better selection for next room (got just a shop left and no Obols but there's a Chaos or Erebus Gate? Take them, in Erebus you're guaranteed three exits, in Chaos you're at least mixing up your chances).

[vast junco]

love being greeted by superelite megagorgon and superelite chariot in elysium erebus

[flat vapor]

i only ever take erebus in tart anyways lol

[vast junco]

at the same time, i should specify

[brisk trail]

I basically never take Erebus anymore, but I definitely don't take them in Elysium anymore.

Ugh.

Christ, both in one Gate?

[flat vapor]

maybe asphodel, if i'm feeling spicy

[vast junco]

yeah, it was such a fast failure

[brisk trail]

I feel like Erebus Gates could have their "We spawned a bunch of enemies that are designed to be extremely aggressive and if nothing else will be virtually guaranteed to chip you!" toned down either a little or a lot.

Less Flamewheel waves and Greatshields, more Slamdancers and Louts.

Greatshields piercing cover is still absolutely infurating.

[vast rivet]

yeah greatshields r honestly one of the most annoying enemies, even non-erebus

[flat vapor]

my favorite erebus chambers are when i get clipped by a speeder brimstone ❤️

[vast rivet]

one time i got a flame wheel chamber in tartarus so that was fun

[flat vapor]

i don't know why but lasers of all kinds have been destroying my runs lately 😔

[brisk trail]

My only beef with Greatshields at this point is their FarSight XR-20.

They're already one of the tankiest hardiest enemies in the game, they should absolutely not get a cover-piercing projectile that can be fired from off-screen.

[vast rivet]

right honestly

is it just me or are the styx chambers w/o the skull harder than the styx chambers w/ skulls...

[brisk trail]

Depends on the room and build.

[vast rivet]

i hardly ever have a hard time taking down the styx midbosses, unless its The Tiny Vermin.

[vast junco]

yeah, it depends, and i find myself at high heat wanting the miniboss rooms because they're both faster and easier

than dealing with a bunch of perk, pact boosted enemy waves for longer

[vast rivet]

right, 2-4 waves at that

[brisk trail]

I generally have more problems with the minibosses (Dire Satyr's barrage can go chug blood), but I totally see how at 40+ Heat the general rooms become worse.

They used to be much worse, if you can believe it.

[flat vapor]

styx is criminally annoying to get through

[vast rivet]

ive had a surprisingly easier time with styx my last 10 runs or so, the sack almost always spawns in the 2nd route

[vast junco]

oh dire satyr is the worst, even when i think i know exactly when to dodge the barrage: "argh, poisoned!" 😔

[vast rivet]

😔 dont we all

[vast junco]

thankful that i at least try to save a meg charge to strip all that armor at once

[vast rivet]

gotta pray u have an athena boon

[vast junco]

meg can only go so far for one wave of enemies

[mellow bridge]

i always do great with the shield up until achilles/asterius. It seems like asterius's attacks dgaf about the blocking of the shield and go right through. i just lost a run going into that boss battle with three death defiance.

[vast rivet]

u might wanna spoiler that just in case

[mellow bridge]

oh sorry is there a guide to what to spoiler in discussion? I have posted and seen posted stuff like that all the time so i thought it was ok

[flat vapor]

generally the final boss and ||legendary aspects|| should be spoilered or discussed in the proper channels, and also important story/side story content

[mellow bridge]

is that the extent of the guide?

[flat vapor]

basically

don't name the final boss

[gusty slate]

Redacted is a meanie

[flint fossil]

@brisk trail Were you able to catch the strim

[brisk trail]

Yes.

I was able to catch the strim.

But I did not.

I watched someone butcher the new game from the Until Dawn company.

AW DANGIT AMBER WAS RACING?

[flint fossil]

@brisk trail Amir is answering questions while the run is going

[brisk trail]

Bruh, I'm in chat.

[flint fossil]

[crude hazel]

I saw this and had to think about this game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw6lLBkXVBw

Just wanted to share, hope that's fine 😄

[brisk trail]

ProZD is amazing.

[crude hazel]

Absolutely.

[high island]

Amir is answering questions while the run is going
@flint fossil where?

[flint fossil]

It was at the speedrunning competition stream, but its over now. I'll grab you the VOD, Amir came in during the intermission between the two sets of runs

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/696665287 @high island

Was a blast

[high island]

Ah alright. Thanks!

[flint fossil]

np

[lapis harbor]

is it just me or is Charon right before a boss BAD? normally it costs money to get the same kind of benefit as a normal room, but also you get to skip the room - but right before a boss?

[high island]

Chambers before a boss are always Charon's Shop or a free reward.

[lapis harbor]

yeah, isn't the free reward... much much stronger in almost all cases?

[brisk trail]

Boss shops will often have multiple boons, or boons and poms and healing.

[high island]

You can get 2 or 3 gold laurel rewards in one chamber in Charon's Shop, yeah.

And the free reward isn't always what you need or want.

[lapis harbor]

yeah, but you ahve to pay for them, whereas you'll be able to spend a LOT of money in the final charon shop

[narrow hemlock]

its highly situational

[brisk trail]

If find it easy to have enough money for either 2 or 3 boss shops and still about 1000 to spare (including money found in Styx) in the shop.

[high island]

I tend to only care for 1–2 things at the final shop anyway. My build is usually done way before that. Ideally before Elysium or early on in Elysium.

Final shop is just the cherry on top.

And even with Convenience Fee at 2, I usually get enough money from the tunnels to buy the couple things I want.

[amber karma]

I find enough money in styx chambers to spend at the last charon shop tbh but that's after maxing out a lot of mirror/renovation upgrades

[cloud apex]

Final shop is often not really worth it, and you are able to get enough gold for some items in it even while visiting shops along the way

(Besides, if you beat champions, then your run likely doesn't need drastic boost)

[chilly schooner]

Has anyone else had issues with ambrosia prompts not unlocking?

I've defeated 45,000 enemies but Ares won't notice!

[high island]

If you think something is not working right, you can send a bug report with F10.

[crude hazel]

You probably need to talk to Ares more.

And also, I'm assuming you've given him a lot of nectar.

[gusty slate]

Ares: "Those numbers aren't good enough"

[severe flare]

I can't unlock Aegis Shield last Aspect.

Over 200 runs. Something's not right!

I did unlock Adamant Rail and Coronacht though.

I've tried for 2 weeks.

[restive frigate]

@severe flare if I remember correctly you need to have Guan Yu unlocked for the other hidden aspects to be available + a certain amount of blood already invested in the shield for the conversation with Chaos to trigger. Can't remember if it's 5 or 10

[severe flare]

Maybe 10?

I have Zeus max, Zag max, Chaos lv 3.

I had unlocked Guan Yu a long time ago.

I love the healing stuff of Guan Yu.

One of the best IMO.

[crude hazel]

Are you talking to Master Chaos?

[severe flare]

Just once.

[crude hazel]

Well you need to talk to them more.

And get dialogue RNG.

[severe flare]

I think I'll do more.

[crude hazel]

If you don't take a lot of chaos gates, that's probably the reason.

[brisk trail]

||I'm legitimately pissed right now. As I finally finish off Hades I get hit and since I died at the same time it's considered a loss e.e||

[crude hazel]

He died, but you also died.

Also, spoiler that.

That's a spoiler.

[brisk trail]

Fair point

[crude hazel]

Thanks 🙂

[severe flare]

Keep distance with the || boss or biome 3 elite foes. || Then you can't die.

Social distancing for Hades game.😆

[brisk trail]

I'm just annoyed. A certain goddess' ||instant kill|| kicked in just as I got hit. That was a damn good run, had all ||three of my defiances, or two plus tooth|| and I slipped up last second.

Deeply annoyed

[crude hazel]

It sucks, but each run is a lesson of its own.

You'll do better next time!

[hoary ore]

Do we already have a date for 1.0?

[crude hazel]

Also, mild suggestion, the Acorn is usually better than Skelly's tooth!

Gives you much more health effectively.

[severe flare]

I love Patroclus spearpoint.

[brisk trail]

True. My main lesson is that a certain goddess is super good with ||the gauntlets||

[severe flare]

Who is she? Aphrodite?

[brisk trail]

||Demeter||

[crude hazel]

Spearpoint is fine, but the boss usually hits you with big hits slowly.

[severe flare]

I fear the traps, actually. Running from the boss is very easy for me.

I step on the traps all the time.

[narrow hemlock]

@hoary ore no.

[crude hazel]

Acorn blocks all the damage from the trap too.

[past mirage]

Unfortunately, it also absorbs mob hits.

[brisk trail]

escaped on attempt number

8

[granite ether]

congrats

[brisk trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/529301654865051694/739121633448689724/unknown.png?width=1204&height=677

to be fair i was literally invincible

[granite ether]

Best off posting that in #h1-victory-boasting @brisk trail ^_^

[severe flare]

I've just unlocked the last Aegis shield aspect.

I've talked to || Chaos 4 or 5 times. ||

[grizzled parcel]

Well I thought the game was saved in the cloud and formatted my pc and reinstalled the game. I lost all my progress. Can you recover or was it forever? ç.ç

[wind nest]

Is lvl 10 the max level you can get a boon to?

[past mirage]

It goes further.

[flat vapor]

people usually don't get that far in levels anyways

[quaint bramble]

I don’t think there technically is a limit. Just a point where it isn’t worth it because the returns are super diminished

[wind nest]

Are you guys sure?

[past mirage]

There’s a spreadsheet with the numbers for attack percentage boons somewhere.

[quaint bramble]

Why do you ask?

[wind nest]

Because I was watching a mod vid someone made where they gave themselves all boons and max leveled them at 10. When they selected a Pom reward the lvl ups were crossed out

[past mirage]

When I get home, I’ll go look at the victory screen channel. I could swear I saw higher numbers there.

[quaint bramble]

I would swear I’ve seen like lv. 13’s and similar as well but? That sounds more like an interaction with breaking the code rather than something intentional. There are boons that can’t be leveled up at all, or maybe some have numbers that cannot go beyond 10 while others can but this is all conjecture.

[still marsh]

||hey so dusa got fired, is she gonna come back or is she gone for good?||

[flat vapor]

||keep playing||

[still marsh]

okay thanks

[narrow hemlock]

didn't one of the racers level a boon to 14 yesterday or did I pull that number from some random corner of my memory

[brisk trail]

is there any way to make the rail half decent?

it just seems to be so bad every build i try

[flat vapor]

zeus/support fire on attack

[west urchin]

Hey everyone, quick question regarding boons, I noticed when I pause, I can "select" boons by clicking on them, and then they are in a list on the right

What's the deal with this? I don't ever remember using that before? What does selecting them do?

[gusty slate]

I think that's for locking boons so you can quickly look at them?

Lemme go try

[west urchin]

just for looking at them together?

[gusty slate]

It's nice for quickly showcasing builds

Bragging rights also if you can fill up the whole thing with Duos too

Stuff like that

[west urchin]

oh ok

ty

[hexed pilot]

I just got back to playing after a long while and WOW the new spritework is phenomenal.

[gusty slate]

A very beautiful game

Charon is rocking some style

[hexed pilot]

yeah he, Nyx and Achilles all look really really good now

the new idling animations on Hades at his desk too

[past mirage]

Is lvl 10 the max level you can get a boon to?
@wind nest
Re: the earlier topic, here's a victory screen with a Lvl. 13 boon
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/735300873105965096

[hexed pilot]

I still haven't played with PONCH because i'm lame tho

[cloud apex]

I'm pretty sure there was a run with near lv 30 boon

[rough token]

@eternal marlin could you split your feedback into two parts? I want to upvote a notification but I don't want to upvote automatic

[tepid plover]

Yeah I've reached lvl 13 before

[white forge]

nooooooo

There goes my win streak

It was only 6, but still, feelsBadMan

[tepid plover]

is there a point on using aspect of poseidon with stygian soul?

dislodging does no dmg right?

[rough token]

not without exit wounds

[tepid plover]

so basically no

[crude hazel]

It adds 50% bonus damage.

That's not nothing.

Could have a very competent build with Ares, Dionysus or Demeter cast and Poseidon sword.

[tepid plover]

I see

[granite ether]

with chaos boons or fully loaded, poseidon aspect ares builds can hit like a truck

[tepid plover]

For the first time, just killed the champion while he was calling for help 😄

[rough token]

Nice!

[tepid plover]

what's "Favored & Envied"

[brisk trail]

3 Trials, I believe.

[tepid plover]

oh, nice

[tepid plover]

Now we both called zeus for help at the same time xD

[rough token]

Wait actually

He shouldn't be able to call someone you currently have, afaik

[crude hazel]

I've had him call gods I have the boons for.

Never the same one I have the call for, but still.

[narrow hemlock]

i thought he just wasnt able to use the same call as what you were holding but admittedly ive never really given it much consideration

[brisk trail]

For a very long time he never used an Olympian you had.

[narrow hemlock]

ive genuinely never noticed LOL

[brisk trail]

Normally I don't think you can force an 8th Olympian until the last biome, so it all works out.

[tepid plover]

it was just funny, cause i called for zeus, then theseus did, "whose side is he on" as zeus is crushing theseus

what do i need diamonds for after i reunited everybody?

can i safely trade it for ambrosia?

i mean other than the hall customizations

[crude hazel]

If you've done all the character stuff with them, feel free to trade.

[tepid plover]

by character stuff you mean the 3 contract relationship

[rough token]

There are other upgrades you need them for

Underworld Renovations

[tepid plover]

like fountains and stuff?

[rough token]

Ye

[tepid plover]

yeah i got those

[versed basin]

how do you deal with the little chariots that explode? I was trying to hit with my sword but kept taking damage

[tepid plover]

kite them

[flat vapor]

with melee you need to run them into walls/pillars

[tepid plover]

hit them from far

or what onyx said if you only have melee

if you have stygian soul you can just spam your cast

[crude hazel]

@narrow hemlock If you want to move it here, sure.

[narrow hemlock]

no

as in like

off topic

[crude hazel]

Ohh.

Ok sure.

[granite ether]

@narrow hemlock (sorry for the ping) in future when redirecting topics of conversation if they are relevant to hades (or any other SG game for that matter) whether or not it's personal opinion on something please move to one of the Hades specific channels first.
The off-topic channels are their explicitly for anything that doesn't fit into any of the game specific channels as there's still many people who are here and haven't played any of the SG games looking to any spoilers, no matter if they're big or small

[brisk trail]

cast builds just feel so pathetic though

you have like 4 cast focused boons with aspect of poseidon

and just attacking often does more dmg

makes you feel like why did u even bother

[high island]

I don't know. The meta was all cast builds in Nighty Night. It's just harder to get extra ammo now. But casts are still strong.

[distant forge]

I recently completely obliterated [final boss] with a cast build. All you need is some secondary effects on your cast and you're golden

[high island]

That's a spoiler, though.

[granite ether]

@distant forge final boss is spoilers in this channel so please use spoiler tags or refer to them as redacted or final boss

[gusty slate]

Redacted is the final boss, but the true final boss is

[past mirage]

The true final boss is the House Contractor catalogue

[gusty slate]

There's a reason why I won't give House Contractor a better desk

[coral epoch]

Hi

Here is any integration with twitch chat ?

[granite ether]

none that I'm aware of Vahistar

[distant forge]

@granite ether Fixed

[west urchin]

Hey what happens if you "borrow" money from charon

I've never seen this before, but have a new build I don't want to lose

[cloud apex]

Let's just say the apostrophes stand there for a reason of great responsibility

So you may or may not want to risk it

[west urchin]

Well, now I am dead

It's definitely something to do late game when you have more of a build, not early gaem

[cloud apex]

Rip, and yeah, it's a lot more comfortable to do later

[crude hazel]

But at least you learned an important lesson about capitalism.

[west urchin]

Does an encounter being a mini-boss increase the reward?

Or is the same?

[cloud apex]

Boons always have increased rarity, so kind of yes

[west urchin]

Ok cool, ty

[manic bobcat]

It's definitely something to do late game when you have more of a build, not early gaem
@west urchin the reward has more value the earlier you get it though

It's certainly a balancing act

[west urchin]

Makes sense

Ty for the response

[rough token]

It's definitely doable in the first region, even with a pretty simple build. Poseidon call is really good xD

[brisk trail]

man every zeus boon is so bad

does anyone actually like seeing a zeus boon

[rough token]

yup

they're a bit more situational than other boons, and definitely require building into Zeus to be really good, but they definitely have their place

[brisk trail]

what is their place?

when are zeus boons actually good?

[rough token]

Thunder Strike on Malphon

[brisk trail]

chain lightning which is max 20 dmg?

[rough token]

okay but you're attacking several times per second

that's a lotta stacking lightning

[brisk trail]

its legit better to just go dmg

[rough token]

not always

[brisk trail]

most of the time the chain lightning balls just fly away

and hit nothing

unless theres a ton of enemies enar

[cloud apex]

One thing to fix zeus being wack: his legendary

40 dmg on top of any lightning

[brisk trail]

oh damn

thats pretty good

i guess zeus boons are good if you can snag the legendary then

[cloud apex]

Indeed, that's why initially it is rather underwhelming
(alternative is double strike, which is a tad less effective but still impressive)

Basically, uncle zeus is pretty selfish, so if you can build into him only, you'd eventually get a huge reward

[rough token]

Also Zeus' dash is just consistent extra damage

I'll throw that onto nearly any build

[past mirage]

Billowing Strength is neat, and Zeus also has several great duos.

[crude hazel]

Zeus boons don't -need- the legendary either.

Applying lots of jolted is really good.

[rough token]

^

that's what I've got going right now, Zeus Dash + Jolted

[crude hazel]

His flourish is also one of the best for a lot of specials.

[rough token]

it's solid extra damage onto my build

[crude hazel]

Most specials that can hit multiple targets appreciate a nice zap.

Oh hey nice.

https://i.imgur.com/uuLmBga.png

I didn't think they would get it, but they did.

[rough token]

ahahaha

[gusty slate]

I love seeing Jolted, slap on duo for lasting duration and I can hit and run in peace

[past mirage]

Cold Fusion throws a nice wrench into EM Theseus' advanced weaponry.

[nimble ocean]

I didn't think they would get it, but they did.
after that dude guessed a man almost noone but several people from pretty unlarge circle knew, i now believe that he knows everyone

[past mirage]

What is that?

[nimble ocean]

Akinator, i believe, is his name

[rough token]

yeah, that's Akinator

it's like 20 questions, but with people/characters

[tepid plover]

He guessed zag, but took him like 3 guesses

With me at least

[cloud apex]

every time i try to put myself as a guess, he asks 100 questions and then gives up
Time to check if he knows Dusa

Nope, doesn't seem like he does

[crude hazel]

Teach him.

[cloud apex]

Attempted to

after all he didn't learn me after 3 attempts anyway

[tepid plover]

He can't guess me if I dont know who I am

Alexa play hotel California

[tawny light]

Talos fist is not as fun as I was hoping it would be

😕

[rough token]

try it with Tempest Flourish (Poseidon Special)

it's really funny

not particularly good, but funny

[tawny light]

Right now I'm dragging people into blade rifts....

But just feels underwhelming.

Maybe the hype is to use the enhanced damaged with trippy shot then drag people into stunning fogs.

Right now its kinda underwhelming and not fub.

Doesnt feel as powerful as other weapons.

[rough token]

remember, it also enhances your attacks

iirc

[tawny light]

Maybe if the magnetism had a range where it dragged bloodstones go you when use it.

Use a bloodstone, its a bit off, do ky special, drag an ebemy and bloodstone back for more beatdowns.

[rough token]

that sounds like something to drop in #hades-feedback , and I kinda like it xD

[tawny light]

Need to use them more, then hit uo builds and high heat to see what they do with it.

Like now...it just feels like a bad Aspect of Poseidon.

Yeah, that didn't feel fun or good.

🤔

doesn't help that the one big gimmick of the weapon doesn't work on bosses.

If I could drag the furies, hydra heads and at least the minotaur

it'd be like

damn

I'm gonna do some powerful stuff.

Instead you just tap their shoulders for 20 damage

Think it also didn't help that any enemy I could drag over to me, I could've just as easily dashed over to.

Maybe if magnetized enemies had a higher crit chance or took more damage.

[tepid plover]

If I could drag the furies, hydra heads and at least the minotaur
Screw the minotaur, let me drag theseus around

God I'd enjoy that

[tawny light]

lol, that'd be fun times.

I love how hateable Theseus is in this game.

[tepid plover]

I hate he talks more than asterius

And he won't even listen to asterius

Which is why I hate him even more

Bringing sense into the game. If he listened to asterius, they would vanquish zagreus everytime

[crude hazel]

I love Theseus.

He's such a lovable ass.

[tepid plover]

Theseus is the kind of character you absolutely love or absolutely hate

[tawny light]

I absolutely love hating him.

but I love heels in wrestling

So Theseus us just

goddamn

😂

[cyan idol]

Hallo there

How be everyone

[tawny light]

Everybody is good, how are you doing?

[cyan idol]

Am fine. Had the idea of a weapon for Hades while I was playing.

Also got this game because of Bastion so.

Anyways, most of the purely ranged weapons aren't exactly mobile, what if Zagreus got a weapon that he could fire in bursts on the move, a semi-auto burst or single fire mechanical familiar that sits on his hand and can spit projectiles, or be let loose as a homing timebomb per say.

Just an idea of mine

[tepid plover]

Sounds a bit like the 3 round burst from rail

But you cant really move

The game is based on dashing thru your combo, thats why we got dashing strikes

I dont think moving while attacking would fit the game

[brisk trail]

Finally

I can come back after getting hades to actually work

[rough token]

Woohoo!

[brisk trail]

And back to raging about one heat

[keen talon]

so today I realized hades has 8gb of animations

which is kinda impressive for a 2d game ngl

[turbid coral]

hi guys love the game would be 11/10 if there were a cassandra in it ok thx

[high island]

Maybe if magnetized enemies had a higher crit chance or took more damage.
@tawny light they do take more damage lol.

[terse ether]

https://i.imgur.com/KwveYwj.png what's this? 👀

[flat vapor]

you got minibosses in each biome

[rough token]

5+ total mini-boss fights

according to wiki

[terse ether]

cool

[rough token]

but that part of the wiki looks out of date, so I wouldn't be sure

[terse ether]

||https://i.imgur.com/uW8fa3S.png|| anyone have darkness not appear in the bottom left corner when you totally have some?

[rough token]

f10 that boi

that's a bug :D

[terse ether]

oh okay

[rough token]

lemme guess, you just hit the lyre?

[terse ether]

no

I just walked in

[rough token]

huh, aight

[terse ether]

I can activate the mirror and deactivate it and it still won't show

[rough token]

once you leave the room it'll reappear

[terse ether]

I hit the lyre after I pointed it out

[rough token]

@lapis harbor could you elaborate on your feedback? The devs can't do much with "very very bad"

[lapis harbor]

❤️

do stuns get more common at higher heats? I think I've only seen two in the entire game

[rough token]

there're 3 I can think of, none of which require heat

but you're right in that they're not common

[lapis harbor]

It definitely reads as the worst boon in the game to me (that I can think of offhand)

What are the three stuns? ||hand grab, last boss vase, and?||

[rough token]

|| Tisiphone ||

[crude hazel]

||Charon|| has a stun too.

[rough token]

Mm, yeah

So 4 explicit stuns, and if Mettle affects microstuns, then basically every attack xD

[crude hazel]

Not to mention 5% damage reduction is a nice little perk.

[rough token]

let's keep this in one channel though, back to #h1-builds-and-combat

[slow snow]

https://i.imgur.com/s6gS9lH.png

[tepid plover]

idgi

[past mirage]

That joke is now dead forever.

[flat vapor]

the joke is throwing major shade

[cyan idol]

Wonder if anyone has ideas for weapons themselves.

[agile saddle]

I guess we won't get Malphon aspect till full release?

[rough token]

correct

[alpine sequoia]

😢

[slow snow]

@tepid plover how do you play hades and not get that joke

[alpine sequoia]

Very carefully.

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-punchline-gif-7320811

[rough token]

to be fair, you don't encounter that right away

[slow snow]

Still that's like basic greek mythos

[rough token]

there are a few people playing this game who have had almost no exposure to greek mythos :P at least from what I've seen

it's something a lot of people have been exposed to, but not everyone

[flat vapor]

if anything an understanding of greek mythos can be a little bad in this case, since sgg takes great artistic liberties in their retelling

having base assumptions about certain aspects of myth can be misleading, since the game never expects you to have these assumptions (and thus, the game never has to adhere to them either)

[crude hazel]

No incest on this train.

[alpine sequoia]

Nah, those are one of the inside jokes.

[slate jetty]

love it when this happens
https://imgur.com/hujjD43

[rough token]

nice