i tend to use it to make minibosses go quicker
#h1-discussion
flat vapor
swift falcon
I was a little mad about that haha
flat vapor
the aiming can be a little wonky at times though, but it's faster than ||than's keepsake||
and i prefer the straight damage
narrow hemlock
lets put it this way, ||you cant use companions at the end that would summon someone against their employer||
swift falcon
Oh you know what that makes total sense
Didn’t think about that
God the details in this game are so good
narrow hemlock
i usually try to mention that specifically since it makes it a bit more rational as to why you cant use them haha
flat vapor
my favorite little detail was ||using battie during one of than's rooms, and her saying "how much help do you need?"||
swift falcon
Lol that’s great
flat vapor
oh just go silly with them imo, there's a new item this update that lets you refresh a use
swift falcon
The amount of unique, voiced dialogue is actually insane
flat vapor
i use it to insta delete minibosses bc some of them are a pain (lol styx)
swift falcon
I have a bunch of ambrosia saved up (11) but I only have ||battie|| unlocked atm
So unsure if I should spend for more uses
Or save it to strengthen bonds/ for other ||companions||
flat vapor
honestly, you'll be able to get more ambrosia than you can ever want just by going up the heat levels
if you're ever in a pinch, broker always exists
swift falcon
True
Btw is it possible to “mess up” a save? I noticed there are quest lines, are any “failable”
Or is it possible to mess up relationships somehow?
swift falcon
Kk thank you
Thanks for all the helpful answers guys, still trying to learn this game and having a blast doing it
For sure my favorite roguelite since binding of Isaac
flat vapor
rigid geyser
I just hit 100 hours
This is definitely the best work of the Supergiant Games studio. For the first time I've seen such a skillful combination of gameplay and storyline in a rogue-like game. The characters are well written and this is one of the few games where I don't skip dialogues.
In terms of the audio setting - absolute mastery, the timbre of the voice perfectly reflects the personality of the gods and other characters, and the music is pleasant to the ear and makes the gameplay more enjoyable. Additionally, there is a hand-drawn visual setting and the use of Greek mythology as a basis so we have hectoliters of pouring out climate. An amazing masterpiece.
In terms of the game itself, I didn't find too many cons. The only thing that I miss very much is the greater complexity (or amount) of biomes and opponents. In this aspect, the game is not as good as, for example, The Binding of Isaac, because the levels are not procedurally generated and the variety of enemies is significantly limited.
Generally, the game is great, but to keep players for long hours it should have:
- more varied levels (so each run would be unique)
- more varied opponents and bosses
- more music (so the songs wouldn't get bored so quickly, would love to hear some epic music with choirs like in God of War series)
I just wanted to share my thoughts 
granite ether
one thing too note; Binding of Isaac has been in development (including og BoI) for over 9 years (probably over 10) now so comparing amount of content between Hades and BoI (which has been in development for less than 3) is a little disingenuous
also please don't evade the swear filter it's there for a reason, use differant words instead ^_^ @rigid geyser
narrow hemlock
hades doesnt set out to deliver the standard roguelike/lite experience either, with a varied and lengthy gameplay loop to keep players hooked in the same manner. hades has the gameplay loop of a roguelite, but the story is a big focus and so you get less overall content than other games of the genre. as much as people want more levels/biomes and more general variety, its not likely to happen bc the focus is 'the main character is trying to reach the surface for X goal'
granite ether
remove the swear and use something like incredible, amazing or any other synonym that fits between "a" and "masterpiece"
that too tatz, it's been explicitly stated that there's no new biomes planned (at least for 1.0 which is their main focus atm)
swift falcon
I think the thing that’s hooking me about Hades over other games in the genre is the sheer amount of story/dialogue. Not to say other games don’t have it, but not to this extent. The amount of unique dialogue for so many different random things is crazy
It pulls me deeper into the world
Like when you’re holding a keepsake or weapon and someone comments on it
Stuff like that
granite ether
personally I don't think music with a choir would fit the tone already established in Hades, epic music is cool and all but it needs to fit thematically and tonally
rigid geyser
If the characters didn't have a voice, like in J-RPG, I probably wouldn't play that much
flat vapor
does anyone have this game's Darren Korb music genre
flat vapor
i remember it was Mediterranean something or other
swift falcon
Darren Korb is its own genre
quaint bramble
The school of Korb-ism.
swift falcon
Hey guys if I ||kill skelly|| before getting the ||prize|| will I miss out on any dialogue? Don’t spoil, just a yes or no is fine 🙂
lethal creek
Hello,newbie to discord made this account just to join this server.anywho,just wanna say my favorite part of the Hades game gotta be that jamming soundtrack and the art style is just awe inspiring. and the gameplay is crazy fun. i like the design of the characters is just really refreshing and pretty to look at.Has anyone ever listened to the Musical Hadestown Soundtrack while playing Hades?
flat vapor
found it
Darren02/15/2019
@ Ali dusa???? Today at 10:07 AM
Darren, you've described bastion's music as 'acoustic frontier triphop' and Transistor in a similar manner I can't remember at this time, what would you call Hades?Mediterranean prog-rock halloween music?
granite ether
oooh Pog
lethal creek
Ooh,intresting.
terse geyser
Hey guys if I ||kill skelly|| before getting the ||prize|| will I miss out on any dialogue? Don’t spoil, just a yes or no is fine 🙂
@swift falcon no
swift falcon
Ty
flat vapor
lethal creek
😀
rigid geyser
Do we know how long the game will be supported after the release?
flat vapor
old world i believe?
narrow hemlock
but yeah the focus on the story, the priority on world building is what pulled me into hades, other roguelikes are fun for a bit but you hit a point where either you cant progress bc youre not good with it, or youve already done it enough that youre bored with it. hades will hit those points with players too but for me the investment in the characters is what drives me to play, not the gameplay itself, while other games tends to focus on the gameplay to keep players in
granite ether
yeah old world
flat vapor
Do we know how long the game will be supported after the release?
i don't know if the devs have touched on this yet
narrow hemlock
they wont talk about post release plans
theyre not really thinking about anything post release rn, theyre only focusing on getting the game to 1.0
granite ether
the tl:dr is they're focusing on 1.0 right now
swift falcon
I hope Hades has a long life, as someone who put over 1000 hours into binding of Isaac
narrow hemlock
for all we know once theyre satisfied with the story and remaining gameplay tweaks they may move on to a new project
granite ether
it's hard to say, from previous games they move on to new projects after launch
swift falcon
At this point I’m willing to get any expansions they do, if that’s on the roadmap
granite ether
but who knows, anything could happen
swift falcon
If not we’ll I’ll still get whatever supergiant does next
narrow hemlock
hades isnt really designed to have the longevity of other roguelikes
swift falcon
Love all their games
You think so tatz? I’ve been really impressed with the heat system/upgrade grind
granite ether
hades' main focus is the characters and story, the gameplay loop helps facilitate that
swift falcon
I see myself putting at least 100 more hours in
narrow hemlock
yeah i do, precisely bc of the small number of biomes/enemies/bosses/ect and the fact they have said theres not gonna be more than that
they want to tell a specific story with the game
not extend the longevity of it
swift falcon
Well it’s already the deepest/longest game they’ve ever made
Imo that’s a feat in and of itself
narrow hemlock
ive already put almost 300 hr in lmao theres some really dedicated players who have even hundreds more than that
terse geyser
507
narrow hemlock
and im not even chasing high heat runs or anything, much of mine is just. soaking in the world and chasing character dialogue
granite ether
i know I'm certainly starting a new file when 1.0 launches
flat vapor
i wonder if they're gonna keep 20+ heat bounty-less
just putting rewards there would keep the game's longevity up
flat vapor
but at the same time, the current amount of rewards is more than enough to max everything out if you include broker
terse geyser
maybe, but the bounty system is still kind of an unfun grind
@narrow hemlock pick fun pact options a few at a time instead of going up one heat at a time
and do fun runs
swift falcon
I guess the main difference from other roguelikes is that the rate of unlocking new upgrades/items feels slower
narrow hemlock
at the end of the day that aspect of the game holds zero interest to me
swift falcon
Like in Isaac, they throw new stuff at you for defeating certain bosses or just through pure luck
Less so in this game
The upgrades are more static, but I guess that makes balancing easier
granite ether
isaac also have yes many achievements and been developed over an incredibly long time, thus you're bound to get more things at a faster rate
swift falcon
Right
And in Isaac it was way too easy to make your build OP
This game I feel like so far has a better balance
Except for shield, I think
Maybe it’s different at higher heat but so far shield seems OP to me
Especially with some bull rush upgrades
rigid geyser
Isn't Isaac created by one person?
terse geyser
shield actually gets more powerful as you get less campy
but everything else tends to very much outpace it as you get better in general
swift falcon
Binding of Isaac was originally created by two people I think
Then they did rebirth/afterbirth etc with a full team at nicalis
The original flash game had some weird jank
swift falcon
@terse geyser I just think it’s OP especially for final boss, I can just block those ||ring explosions|| or his ||spin attack||
granite ether
but that's more a topic for #video-games
swift falcon
It trivializes his moveset a bit
terse geyser
that's true, particularly if you get to the point when you can constantly attack and only block with the bull rush
but many builds with other weapons just kill the final boss so quickly that you don't even really get to see his attacks
narrow hemlock
I think it's funny when someone says X weapon is op bc I'll usually see someone else either here or on steam say the opposite within the same week. I don't think any weapon on their own is inherently "op" since much of your runs comes down to optimizing builds anyway
swift falcon
So far I’ve been most successful with shield, it’s the one I’ve escaped with most
terse geyser
I actually kind of hate shield, but it definitely works
swift falcon
I had one run where I got lightning bolts on my thrown shield, plus the aspect that sends out three shields after bull rush
Was crazy
terse geyser
levelling that aspect gives you even moar special projectiles
swift falcon
Just out of curiosity what is everyone’s favorite weapon/aspect rn?
Mine is def that shield one
terse geyser
Aspect of Zoom
swift falcon
My least fav is ||guan yu|| but prob just need to git gud haha
terse geyser
use special
line up your enemies and don't get hit, basically
arti special and charged skewer just kills everything
swift falcon
I think my main issue is I try to use the spin move too much
Startup too slow
I want to take advantage of the healing but end up taking more damage
rigid geyser
I think I enjoy Arthur's Aspect mostly
cobalt anvil
Does Hermes's attack speed boon affect Spear Charge rate?
terse geyser
no
cobalt anvil
Ok thanks
terse geyser
only quik spin does that
narrow hemlock
I just hope fists get smth fun I can enjoy so I can continue being heedless of the dangers around me 🤧
the 4th aspects as a whole are kinda hit or miss as to whether I like using them or not
raw lion
What is the secret behind the ||Lucifer||-aspect of the Adamant Rail? I'm having real trouble doing anything efficient with it compared to the base aspect.
flat vapor
zeus attack
terse geyser
or be really cool - poseidon attack with seastorm
plush flax
Only build I've had sucess with for Lucifer is Zeus attack.
I feel like Ares attack could potentially work as well, but it would be dependant on getting the "stacking" doom perk
brisk trail
I need to try Aphrodite, but Artemis is about as good as Zeus.
flat vapor
artemis can also lead to support fire
brisk trail
Keep in mind both Zeus and Support Fire were nerfed recently.
flat vapor
haha arrows go brr
void nova
Charon sounds like a hydralisk
rough token
@sand nexus regarding your feedback, what are you basing the 'correct' pronunciation on, for reference?
sand nexus
Correct is probably the wrong word for me to have used, but I'm referring to the greek spelling of it as Kerberos
As I understand it, Cerberus is an anglicized version of it, which seemed strange to hear from the actual mythological figures themselves
rough token
I tend to think of stuff like that as, we're hearing the translated version. The characters might be speaking Greek, but I'm getting the English translation. Though I do see your point
brisk trail
@sand nexus actually in Greek it's Κέρβερος, and its a word we still use daily, it means the one that waits, standing, patient, never leaving his post, not letting you breath, like omnipresent at all times.
sand nexus
Right, I think I approximated the pronunciation of that to english speakers with my spelling, but if you think I've got it wrong I'm happy to remove my feedback.
brisk trail
No its quite correct actually.
Cerberus is more of a latin reference, Kerveros is most correct.
past mirage
Is that a word that can be used pejoratively for a spouse, like 'dragon'?
hollow halo
who refers to a spouse as a dragon
starting to realise how little i use my vocabulary
brisk trail
Yeah we do, like if you want to do something and someone is above your head all the time, we say "He/she is like kerveros, watching at me all the time", something like that hehe.
plush flax
Sounds kinda like "sentinal", but with ... more of a negative conotation?
brisk trail
I mean, for us Greeks, its part of our heritage, we use many words and references from the Greek Mythology daily.
It is indeed a negative conotation, because kerveros literally is "you won't" "you can't" "no way". its a constant no, no matter what you try.
I saw some reviews lately especially on Steam, were people criticize the lack of depth from Supergiant devs about the mythology and how wrongly they assume some things, basing their work upon some wikipedia articles etc, well for me, being Greek, knowing history by first hand, I wouldn't expect from a game to be accurate to 100%, I mean it's a game, not a history course. And they managed to capture the whole point, "what is dead should stay dead". So if for any reason in the final version of the game Zagreus manages to escape the underworld, I will for sure feel a little meh, but like I said, it's a game, it's funny, and the dialogues are pure AAA stuff.
nimble ocean
first of all, mythological figures speaking english.. it's already a divergence
plush flax
The game itself even calls out how it deviates from the mythology in a few places. Zagreus's stories to Orpheus about the contradictions in his own myths, and ...I think it was Poseidon? Saying something along the lines of "Yeah, mortals have some weird things they say about us. Whatever."
nimble ocean
to start with, half of the countries' names are spelled wrong in english, if we'll count as "right" the way native people call their countries themselves
brisk trail
For instance, you know, the word Greece, is wrong, officially it is Hellas.
And I still expect Heracles in the game.
hazy hatch
wiki boon icons should all be fixed @me if any of them are wrong :V
hollow halo
plot twist
zagreus is from the roman pantheon
actually you know whats a boon icon i really like a lot
the hermes one which recharges boon gauge
looks real cool
hollow halo
wow all for me?
not a wrong boon but i think auto reload description is wrong
hoopy
hazy hatch
yeah I've been working for the last two days on datamining the icons and prerequisites
those are up to date, now I just need to hit the ability descriptions
hollow halo
tyty
hazy hatch
then once I have those done maybe I'll start working on weapon upgrades
hollow halo
looks like you should be promoted from dataminer to datamajor
hazy hatch
@deep pivot if you're still planning on making those updates to the boon tree graphics, the wiki should accurately refelct the prereqs now so you don't have to dig it up yourself
deep pivot
@deep pivot if you're still planning on making those updates to the boon tree graphics, the wiki should accurately refelct the prereqs now so you don't have to dig it up yourself
@hazy hatch I will be making them after I gather the information I need myself so they are 100% accurate.
The wiki hasn’t been accurate in the past which is why I will check every single boon in the game for its details. That takes time and a heavy toll on my eyes.
hazy hatch
@deep pivot I mention this because I wrote a script to get the prerequisite data directly from the data files
if you want to verify manually go ahead, but it's as accurate as the game is
because yeah it's a super laborious process
(to do manually)
deep pivot
Someone did that as well in the past but then I noticed several mistakes, so I will personally check the info myself.
hazy hatch
👍
deep pivot
There’s also the fact that I check more than one file for the extra requirements and restrictions.
hazy hatch
yeah, I'm getting the data from LootData, TraitData, and ConsumableData
I can totally understand why you want to make sure it's good, but if it is, maybe next time it'll be worth trusting
deep pivot
Have you done this after the last patch was released?
hazy hatch
did it earlier tonight
deep pivot
Have you noticed anything funny with, say, Low Tolerance?
I did some time ago but it has escaped everyone’s notice.
hazy hatch
it currently reports requiring one of each of the following:
Dionysus' Aid, Drunken Dash, Drunken Flourish, Drunken Strike
Crush Shot, Heartbreak Flourish, Heartbreak Strike, Passion Dash, Passion Flare
deep pivot
I will check if it’s still there or patched.
Have you checked the requirements from both Gods separately?
Let me check them now. Give me a moment.
hazy hatch
nope, I see it
Dionysus' shout trait is only allowed for getting it from one of the gods, not both
deep pivot
Heh.
I noticed plenty of other "interesting" things.
That's why I'm saying I will check the information myself.
But your effort is noted. Thanks for contributing to the community 
real storm
well i just got a bug that makes all the npc and me invisible
void vigil
please report it with F10 if you havent already!
real storm
i did
sharp parcel
if it doesn't go away and you're on Steam, try verifying game's cache by right clicking on Hades in your Library - Properties - Local Files - Verify Integrity
nimble ocean
got a Sunken treasure and accidentally hit next room exit instead of picking up
first time altF4d
vague zinc
Does dread flight still not work with chaos shield?
sharp parcel
it works on the main shield, not the extra ones
slow snow
I just found out that in greek mythos, you're actually supposed to cross styx widthside to reach the afterlife
not downstream
but that seems less symbolic to me
if styx is supposed to represent death
well
in life you're always going "downstream"
as death is an inevitability
sturdy oasis
has SGG said anything about retroactively awarding achievements like in StS? I'm hoping I don't have to redo all the fates and such 🙂
void vigil
nope, just that achievements will be added with v1.0 launch
spiral turtle
Will there be other gods who can give boons such as Hephaistos or Apollo ?
granite ether
No more gods that give boons are planned to be added for v1.0
slow snow
they said they're only adding two more characters
granite ether
only 1 more story character Valentine
soft rampart
hey everyone, who am i supposed to talk to for the 4th aspect of adamant rail?
hybrid citrus
|| Zeus ||
soft rampart
thanks
hybrid citrus
Also- how is it that people get their buttons to be PS4 buttons in game?
I use a ps4 controller and it shows xbox buttons. 
soft rampart
it's like that for every game on pc
soft rampart
i've never seen that actually
sturdy oasis
in other games you see ps buttons if you have a dualshock, so it is definitely not the same for all games
hybrid citrus
Yeah some games i play it shows and some it doesn't.
high island
@hybrid citrus you should ask for help with that in #h1-tech-support. 
cobalt anvil
I've never used a controller in my life so I'm wondering if it's better than mouse and keyboard. Which do you guys prefer?
lusty wasp
if you are used to mouse and keyboard that is definitely better
generally they are both pretty close
but if you are clearly better with one that is probably the better choice
you may also want to see if you prefer the (small) auto aim or not
cobalt anvil
Yeah but I haven't tried playing with controller yet so I can't really say
lusty wasp
id say its both good
cobalt anvil
So you're good with both
lusty wasp
only some weapons where you want to manually aim m&k seems clearly a bit better
im definitely better with m&k but also played a bit with controller
cobalt anvil
Makes sense, things like Dio's cast would be hard to aim with a controller
lusty wasp
or the gun special
cobalt anvil
Yeah I can see that
cobalt anvil
But dashing and moving with m&k can make you feel restricted
Like I had to train myself to dash and move with only keyboard so that I can dash-strike better
lusty wasp
i like the absolute position with the mouse but i can see that to be a bit difficult for some
but you can also dash and attack backwards
which i really cant with controller
cobalt anvil
Interesting. I thought it was the other way around
Cause I had no experience whatsoever with controller
gusty slate
I like dashing and throwing a nice arrow into an enemy's mouth
lusty wasp
the auto aim always seems to to to attack forewards (at least with multiple enemies)
and that usually makes sense
so definitely a really rare case
modest void
Sanity check - does anyone else feel like the game is more zoomed out at times after the latest patch?
gusty slate
Hm, don't think so
if it's minor I probably wouldn't notice
Maybe in Hades' house it is?
modest void
Weird! I felt like it was and a couple of viewers mentioned it when I was playing last night.
gusty slate
Actually, if it is that might explain why I think dash is shorter
Someone else might be a better opinion, I usually don't notice stuff like that lol!
modest void
Yeah I'm not sure. I don't think it's all the time but a couple of times when I was doing things like collecting boons at the end of a room I felt like the boon looked tiny. 
gusty slate
Did your resolution change?
modest void
Still 1440p on the menu and it looks the same between recordings in most places.. I'll see if I can find the places it looked odd.
modest void
Ah y'know what? Last time I streamed Hades regularly I was using a lower broadcast resolution (not game resolution) as an experiment which is probably throwing people off. I think it's all good. 
native atlas
what if i've amassed 10000 kils and only now gotten the 10000 kills prophecy? do i need to do another 10k?
sharp parcel
no, you just need to talk to ||Ares|| again
swift falcon
Does anyone else not do renovations when papa’s not around? I love it when he badmouths zag
swift falcon
Lol it’s honestly some of the funniest dialogue
If you ||put up a portrait of zag he says “should have named you narcissus”||
brisk trail
yeah
i specifically only do renos when he is around
it's cure when he begrudgingly approves of your choice
like the golden pedestal
sharp parcel
or the clock
torpid pine
Sanity check - does anyone else feel like the game is more zoomed out at times after the latest patch?
@modest void yeah, me! it's more prevalent in larger Tartarus rooms, i've noticed
modest void
Maybe I'm not losing it then 
cyan cloud
yall I feel super sad
the game crashed on a p good run
ares heroic cast on level 10 good
sharp parcel
go to Documents\Saved Games\Hades, copy your Profile#.sav and Profile#.sav.bak somewhere then delete them in the folder
then rename Profile#_Temp.sav and Profile#_Temp.sav.bak into Profile#.sav and Profile#.sav.bak
the # indicates the number of your profile. That should restart you from the room in which you crashed.
gusty slate
Never knew there was a way to save a run hm
gusty slate
Alas I'm too lazy to do this and would rather redo a run lol
narrow hemlock
its also pinned in the tech fixes thread on steam boards too lol
sharp parcel
then again, I don't really understand why the game doesn't do this automatically
gusty slate
Hades doesn't want Zag to simply start back where he last quicksaved
cyan cloud
Okay boyos I still lost the run to the final boss but thanks regardless
Need to get alot better at this aaah
young frost
How do i unlock 4th aspect on bow etc?
high island
@young frost check the pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion.
strong vapor
anyone know when we'll get the hidden aspect of the fists?
livid cargo
likely for 1.0 @strong vapor
which is out soon ™️
but by soon its like before the end of the year
gusty slate
Time to start looking up famous fist fighters
strong vapor
atleast something good happens this year 
thx
livid cargo
ah yes the aspect of Rayman @gusty slate
latent light
I just got back from vacation
And oh my goodness this newest update looks so amazing it's insane
The glow when you accept a boon the new dark essence weapon purple sparkle and so much more, it just looks so so so amazing
livid cargo
SGG makes everything super pretty
rapid mulch
are y'all planning to start a new playthrough come 1.0?
brisk trail
Yup.
past mirage
I won't go that far. That progress I made is earned with lots of time and effort, and I don't care much about a few lines being out of proper order.
rapid mulch
i'm thinking about it... it could be fun but i'm hesitant to let go of all the mechanical progress
agh... the game is even prettier with all these new effects... every patch it looks so much better
rancid glen
Well if it hasn't happened to you, kudos
I've lost like 8 cumulative hours of play. Will give it a rest until v1.0...
gusty slate
What, how did your save die?
rancid glen
Crashing
I've tried renaming the files, but the other save files are either from when I first started or several hours before.
worthy egret
sweats nervously at my 150 hours
rancid glen
Has there been any noise on potential launch date of v1?
brisk trail
Nope.
sharp parcel
Soon ™️
sage marten
we just got Blood Price
vapid night
do u guys go infernal soul or stygian soul with hera
bronze saffron
Hi guys
gusty slate
Until I got better I used the regenerating cast
bronze saffron
Can somebody help me with the "dark foresight" mirror power? dont know how exactly works
and didn finded on wiki
gusty slate
Infernal is better though I think. Erm Dark Foresight just came out in last update, it just increases the chance of seeing those 3 rooms
as opposed to resources I think?
brisk trail
Can somebody help me with the "dark foresight" mirror power? dont know how exactly works
you get more boon/pom/hammer rooms instead of nectar/darkness/key rooms
brisk trail
That was a single test. It needs more testing before that can be definitively said.
gusty slate
Feels like gameis telling me to use Dark Foresight. Been getting runs with majority resources darn RNG xD
brisk trail
does blown kiss work on none crush shot casts?
I don't think so.
Did it spawn without Crush Shot?
no
but i was offer a swap from crush shot to true shot
You know, I don't see why it shouldn't.
What was its secondary effect?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
First-hit bonus.
you know i think it does
barren ember
The time has come y'all
I promised myself if I did my taxes, I'd do another run
:D
gusty slate
Good luck getting out of the underworld!
scenic ruin
this might sound amazingly stupid but the ''Name'' field when you report using F10, is it for your own name or for what id call the bug. Cause ive been using that field to just name bugs
ripe geyser
havent been able to find out how Hoarding Slash works exactly. Is it flat damage or percent dmg?
flat vapor
base damage + damage equal to 5% of money
ripe geyser
so the dmg you get from hoarding is then increased by boons?
brisk trail
hence the name
well, i dont think the percentage is multiplied with each other
might be addative
quaint bramble
Wait .05dmg up=5%, so it’s the exact formula for money=power? Huh, the more you know.
ripe geyser
so an example then. i have 200 gold that should mean i deal 10% more dmg or what?
brisk trail
i means you deal 10 more damage
ripe geyser
ok then another example. i have 200 gold so i get 10 dmg. is that 10 dmg increased by eg. 90% from my Aphro boon?
quaint bramble
If that applies before boon multiplicatives than it’s just okay.
If it’s after the bonuses, which I doubt, it’s horrible
ripe geyser
and boons are applied after i guess?
so its like 10 dmg* 1.9 = 19 dmg. if you have a 90% attack boon
brisk trail
no i dont think the boons are applied
i had athena's strike
but it's still the exact flat damage buff
quaint bramble
I have trouble believing that’s worth the opportunity cost of the actual hoarding
brisk trail
hrm
ripe geyser
seems a bit bad if it doesnt benefit from boons
brisk trail
i thiithe fact that its a flat damage does make it better in very specific cases
ripe geyser
i guess it depends on the other hammer. flurry would be decent either way
brisk trail
yup
exactly what i was thinking
also i would imagine this still works with crit
proving once again artemis is best girl
brisk trail
what is this "Slicing Flare"
flat vapor
the cast alternative boon for beowulf
brisk trail
ahhh
swift falcon
Can someone tell me how I can ||fight Charon again?|| I did it once but ||ever since then I don’t see the money pouch behind him when I go to his shop||
brisk trail
pray to RNG
swift falcon
Is that really it? No way to force it?
brisk trail
i dont think so
swift falcon
Ah okay
Well at least I know I’m not doing anything wrong
For the contract ||to beat Charon twice in a row is it two times in a single run or once each in two successive runs? Can you even fight him twice in the same run?||
narrow hemlock
you cannot
brisk trail
it just means 2 for 2
lament hawk
Do affections with the gods like...decay? I feel like I just saw a little animation after talking to poseidon where it showed the heart meter missing one heart, same with Athena both on the same run
narrow hemlock
nope
lament hawk
It was a confusing little visual
vast junco
that's a visual to show that you have gained access to a higher level of affinity with them
mystic nexus
Hey, I don't want to be SPOILED, such as it is, but can someone give me a hint as to how to kickstart the Achilles storyline? I've already got the requisite characters fully nectared up.
vast junco
so that further heart(s) is now unlocked for you to fill, so to speak
lament hawk
Got it, thank you
flat vapor
@mystic nexus just keep talking to them, i assume
gusty slate
Just gotta keep bugging people until they are so annoyed they spill the beans
mystic nexus
that's how I go through life!
jagged echo
what patch was it that changed the fishing reward u got from chaos? i could've sworn they used to give boss items. just caught one for the first time and got darkness. checked the wiki and now that's all they give?
rough token
Pretty recent
jagged echo
dang. sad. was really looking forward to finally catching one and i get one after the rewards get nerfed.
ah well. i can get plenty of those items if i keep playing.
odd ledge
With 2x of 1 skill, the 2nd is useless or can stack?
cursive junco
Does Cerberus collar feel pretty worthless to anyone else compared to the likes of skelly's tooth?
or is it more for like taking boons that lower your hp
like guan yu aspect
radiant harbor
It’s pretty redundant imo, but I’ll throw out some situations where it’s superior:
More HP means your death defies heal more / might survive without using one
Makes % based healing like fountains heal more
Lets you take chaos gates
gusty slate
Oh geez, didn't know Redacted could shoot through walls
rough token
@odd ledge what do you mean?
white monolith
What does it mean when I pick up a boon and it makes a ringing noise or something before my choices appear?
flat vapor
a ringing sound means that the convo the god is about to say is a unique line, not a generic one
white monolith
Dang wish I knew a bit earlier. Might have missed a few 😦
I think I got a special dialog with Hermes last run because I had 0 on my tight deadline timer when I talked to him but I was so stressed about it I ended up mashing through it
manic tundra
in everyone's opinion, what's the best hammer upgrade for all the weapons?
white monolith
i'm gonna have to go with the triple dash attack on the spear.
high island
Breaching Cross.
ashen moon
Hmm
Im going to go with piercing volley
white monolith
i knew nyanya would pick a fist hammer
white monolith
which one? delta or eternal?
swift falcon
I don’t remember the name, it makes you fire in bursts of 3
rough token
Delta Chamber, then
swift falcon
Btw I just had a thought, do you guys think shots you deflect should be a different color or have a visual identifier? I’m thinking of the guys who shoot clusters that bounce off the walls, it can be hard to tell which ones you deflected and which ones you didn’t
rough token
Yup. It's been mentioned in feedback several times xD
rough token
Definitely
fleet zephyr
Im wondering how much of the games file size is attributed to voiced lines because holy hell theres a lot
white monolith
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/728979910999408660 if you wanna go thumbs up it @swift falcon
swift falcon
will do
ashen moon
i wanted to pick a sword hammer but like
the more i play the more i really dont like the sword
swift falcon
I tried the aspect of ||arthur|| recently while using sword, it was really fun
although base aspect is nice too, you just zoom around everywhere
white monolith
i agree with that. i stopped using the sword until i unlocked the legendary aspect.
ashen moon
all the aspects just
feels not good to me
prophecy aspect feels too sluggish and i dont know what it is about normal sword move set but it just doesnt work for me
ill get to elysium and just perish every time since it feels like sword cant deal with it well
high island
@white monolith Nyaanyaa*
Nemesis is really strong. Put Heartbreak Strike on it, and you're set.
Poseidon Aspect with True Shot or any cast build does work.
white monolith
mewwmeww
ashen moon
does aphrodite give the most bonus percent damage?
white monolith
yea she does
high island
Yes.
ashen moon
I see
high island
Scales best with poms, too.
ashen moon
i
feel like a fool for dodging her
I tend to gravitate towards demeter or dino a lot for strike
swift falcon
whenever I'm running fists or sword I try to go aphrodite as much as possible, my thinking is if I'm going to be getting up close and personal I want to reduce their damage as much as possible
white monolith
i also kind of assumed her's would be the weakest one at first because of the weak effect
swift falcon
that's just my reasoning for it
manic bobcat
how did you miss the best girl Artemis
ashen moon
ngl i only go for artemis if im doing ares cast things
or just need to fill in my cast slot or want supporting fire
white monolith
artemis feels tier 0 when i'm using hestia
swift falcon
for a while I didn't pick anything that changed my cast too much because I was focused on the "get bonus damage when your cast is in someone", but recently I did a run where I leaned heavily into festive fog, got lightning in it plus damage resist
it was really fun
so now I'm wondering how much cast fun I missed out on because of that mindset I had
ashen moon
honestly my favorite cast is zeus
high island
Deadly Strike does the second-highest damage on Hestia and can beat Heartbreak Strike eventually with t2 crit boons etc.
manic bobcat
Deadly Strike Hunter Dash Hestia 👀
ashen moon
its just nice to have a cast that can ad clear when im using something like aspect of chiron
white monolith
👀 definitely
ashen moon
or is it charon
too many similar names 
white monolith
hunter's dash is too good with hestia
swift falcon
but I mean it does suck that some cast upgrades completely invalidate the mirror upgrade, know what I mean?
high island
Plus, you overkill a lot with the second empowered shot of Hestia or need to let some regular bullets fly after the first. So, Deadly Strike would kill those enemies in 1-2 shots while Heartbreak Strike would always take 2 shots to kill.
white monolith
yeah, the one that requires your crystal to be stuck in an enemy right?
ashen moon
the only one i feel that kinda sucks that it doesnt stick in one
is ares without artemis
ashen moon
since fog gets so much support
swift falcon
yeah I tried running blade rift cast once, it was kind of fun but ultimately felt underwhelming
there's just better options for clearing mobs or doing high damage imo
high island
Slicing Shot can get ridiculous.
ashen moon
I did end up getting a run where i got ares call, black metal, vicious cycle
white monolith
it's good if you focus on it and invest boons/poms/duos into it
ashen moon
and it melted the final boss
high island
Slicing Shot + Engulfing Vortex already stays on top of enemies and does a ton of damage.
manic bobcat
you kinda need Vicious Cycle to make Slicing Shot work imo
white monolith
all the ones that don't stick into the enemy work best if you let them be the primary attack and invest into them maybe idk
ashen moon
ive always felt like you need a lot of investment into slicing
and it just kinda felt inconsistent to me
though i probably was picking the wrong boons for it
high island
You don't, though. The damage is very high already without Vicious Cycle.
Yeah, you kind of need Engulfing Vortex or Hunting Blades if you want a pure cast build with it.
But it's actually really good for Malphon without any t2 or t3 boons for it because you're up close and personal already anyway.
ashen moon
ive only found the build i have a decent handle on is like
dionysus/demeter or zeus/demeter
I almost always get a bit of athena since deflecting dash is nice
I run aspect of talos so i like taking slicing since i can pull enemies back into it
high island
Talos is really good for stuff like that, yeah.
ashen moon
i like talos a lot more than demeter
since pulling enemies in makes it a lot easier in say asphodel
where the gorgons like to just be in the lava
white monolith
talos is like the next level aspect where you make cool flashy plays
ashen moon
see I also think i like it
because I play blazblue and it reminds me of Tager’s gimmick of magnet hands
swift falcon
Yeah I like the magnet build
My main issue when running fists is trying to deal with those flame carts
Ugh
If I don’t have a good cast, RIP
Just run around the room for an hour activating traps
ashen moon
flame carts are the bane of my existence
white monolith
i can definitely see someone make a super cool compilation and combo video of talos aspect
high island
No no no no. Find an obstacle that you can dash through back and forth. They'll crash into them and die.
Similar to how you deal with the bull rush from Asterius.
white monolith
is there one map in elysium that doesn't have a good spot to dash back and forth but still have a lot of flame wheels? i can remember it frustrating me a few times but i can't quite recall which one it is.
but they ultimately do waste a lot of time and i guess their spawn value is so low the game loves to spawn a ton of them in multiple waves
ashen moon
ive had rooms with like
3 waves of them
all over the room
it was a lot of running
swift falcon
Yeah I think flame carts and shield boys are the worst mobs to deal with
high island
Chariots are worse than Flamewheels.
swift falcon
They each force you to change up your playstyle unless maybe you have some crazy combo going
high island
Strongbows are worse than Greatshields.
swift falcon
Oof actually you’re right
Bows are horrifying
I get scared when I see those crosshairs over me
white monolith
armoured strongbows are so scary
on some big maps i can't even tell where they are sniping me from because it's off screen
then i realize it's from both sides of course 
ashen moon
i find shields to be the worse for me personally
swift falcon
I think on average bows give me more trouble but I find shields more annoying
Like I take more damage from bows, but I just get more frustrated with shields
white monolith
yea they are taunting you with the ding ding sound from blocking your attacks
swift falcon
Exactly
ashen moon
most my issue in elysium is just
tryinf to keep up with things
a lot of the stuff just blends together for me
swift falcon
It’s weird to me because Elysium feels like the toughest area even tho you would expect ||Styx|| to be tougher
Being the last place
white monolith
Especially true with tight deadline
vapid night
How do I do sisyphus favor. He won't take any more nector. Online it says I need to give one to bouldy but it doesn't seem like I'm allowed to do that. Hades doesn't seem to be saying anything about lowering his sentence
high island
The 4th region can be very dangerous.
white monolith
I still think the “mini boss” rooms in 4th area to be easier than regular rooms
brisk trail
Elysium enemies are probably the hardest in the game imo
Especially the bow and spear guys
high island
Miniboss rooms in general can be a lot easier. They're a lot more predictable.
You also don't have to deal with multiple waves, so it can be much faster.
high island
laughs in ||Antos||
white monolith
Which power couple is the hard one?
white monolith
There are a few different pairs right?
narrow hemlock
power couple as in the aspho gorgon head and stone crusher. bc zag refers to them as a power couple ingame
white monolith
Oh oops I thought they meant the duo mini bosses in 4th zone with MM lol
narrow hemlock
nah sometimes he'll enter that room and say smth like 'it's my favourite power couple' or smth to that effect
hence the nickname
white monolith
Yea damn I still think the graphics are deceiving when it comes to the crusher with MM on
I always think the initial drop aoe will be the one that pulses outwards but nope, it’s a separate aoe that pulses out afterwards :/
mellow haven
idk
I feel like elysium is consistently a headache
but 4th zone can range from being free money + health to haha go back to tartarus from half health
ashen moon
i feel like for me
4th zone got easier the more i played it
and the more i adopted the idea of speed is life
i basically never stop moving
the only thing that really sticks out to me are the snakestones, espically when armored
brisk trail
4th zone is where poseidon shines the most
amber pivot
Is the Snap Nova Daedelus upgrade not possible on the Arthur aspect? I assume not at this point, but the wiki doesn't say anything about it. I've been grinding out middling heat levels with the sword and that's the one upgrade I apparently have never gotten.
Also while I'm on the topic of filling out my prophecies, are some duo boons dependent on which talents you have enabled at the mirror? Such as lightning rod being dependent on you having droppable crystals, etc.
brisk trail
Stubborn Roots spawns with Death Defiance but is most effective with Stubborn Defiance.
vapid night
How long does it rly take b4 u can talk to bouldy. The wiki says "after talking to sisyphus a number of time" which is kinda vague.
I've already given sisyphus as much nectar as I can
high island
Snap Nova isn't avaible on the 4th aspect of Stygius. The wiki isn't up to date on everything yet.
topaz crystal
I have around 6 or 7 Ambrosia in my inventory rn, do I use that for Titan blood trade early or do I wait and use it later ||for the relationship stuff. I'm still at 4-5 hearts max on certain characters.||
inland shell
@topaz crystal I would save them and earn the blood
any conversion is a loss, so only do it if you really want it or you are max
topaz crystal
Thanks.
inland shell
you should be getting 1-2 blood / ambrosia per run if you are incrementing the heat
always try to buy the blood at the end if you can too
even the diamond is half a blood
@topaz crystal where is your icon from btw?
zinc solstice
Hello There! I have a question, when the new and final build finish the cook and get out of the oven, ¿All the progress that we made and reach in the previous version (The right now version) would be reseted in the new one?
lyric umbra
Yesterday I obliterated the last boss with a hit of 3.2k damage (crit + lots of backstab damage stacking + last aspect of the sword + several status conditions). I was left wondering: what is the highest single-blow damage ever recorded in the game? And what's the theoretical limit?
brisk trail
I've got footage of a 14k hit before damage gates were buffed.
rough token
@zinc solstice you should not lose any progress / no perderías nungún progreso
floral shore
Highest I've personally had was 4.3k, also with Arthur Aspect backstab shenanigans. I've seen more from streamers but in the last few months nothing exceeding like 5.5k.
topaz crystal
@inland shell it's fanart of a character called Reigen Arataka. Art not mine.
I'm suddenly getting stutters in Styx and Redacted fight. F10's that already but was curious if anyone else was getting the issue.
toxic widget
Does anyone think Hades would do well with modding support after the full release?
Seems most rougelike/lite games (Slay the Spire, One Step from Eden, etc.) have support for the Steam Workshop.
lofty dragon
there are hades mods on nexus and apparently it's easy to mod, just needs time for the scene to grow
sharp parcel
Maybe? Neither STS nor Eden are narratively driven though.
fleet zephyr
Mod it so its the Christian Underworld instead
lofty dragon
every area is asphodel
sharp parcel
Hell has 9 circles, you know
ashen moon
every enemy is a hydra head
past mirage
Friend rooms are occupied by Dante from the Devil May Cry series the Divine Comedy.
ashen moon
the final boss expect wacky wahoo pizza man, edgelord katana man, and edgy robot arm boio drive up and do their thing
toxic widget
I mean I just wanted a
Everything is the same except Zagreus is wearing a sombrero
or
Everything is the same except Zagreus is a chicken
granite ether
All the files are availible but their is no official modding support
brave thicket
the frames for it would number to like a few hundreds, no one would do that
granite ether
From #ask-supergiant, answered by Caitlin.
Are there plans for modding support in the future?
Currently, Hades “technically” supports mods in that players have full access to game files, and you can modify them however you wish. We don’t currently have any plans to create modding tools specifically for Hades or our other games.
@toxic widget
toxic widget
Ah, didn't see the channel as nothing pointed to it.
Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
granite ether
No worries
sage sigil
hey, where can i submit some screenshots with bugs or something? I thought if its early access, i should send them to devs
still shard
hey, where can i submit some screenshots with bugs or something? I thought if its early access, i should send them to devs
@sage sigil press F10 in-game
sage sigil
ok ill try that ty
vague zinc
Guys, which fireplace decor do you prefer?
toxic widget
Imagine having enough gemstones for decor
just how many gems do I have to sink into the lounge for Dusa
harsh pike
I swear zagreus called the hydra lernie in his first line of dialogue when entering asphodel for the first time
soft rampart
f10 is a great button for times like that you know
harsh pike
Yeah
I didn’t know about F10 at that time, I also just got to the point where the gag happened, so it didn’t register to me as a bug till now
soft rampart
ohh i see
the "lernie vanquished" sign made me laugh a lot tbh :D
i appreciate the humor on that one and also i love the signs when you give sacks to cerberus
harsh pike
Yeah it’s a really good gag
undone fulcrum
idk where to discussion about mod things about hades.
as we all know, hades make part of game data open source to allow player do some mod of this game.
currently, i want change mirror of night upgrade stygin soul from -1 sec per level to -0.25 sec per level which allow more fixable upgrade.
but facing problem is, looks like this data saved as type of "int"
ok fighting for upload screenshot but failed, looks like the server dosen't allow it
here's code change and affect
ChangeValue = -1 // -1 per upgrade , as expect.
ChangeValue = -2 // -2 per upgrade , as expect.
ChangeValue = -0.5 // -150 per upgrade, unexpected.
ChangeValue = -1.5 // -250 per upgrade, unexpected.
while the curiousity things is, as we all knows, there are some boons to let cooldown fewer such as Flurry Cast and when apply that, decimal things will also happen but thats not affected, so it's surely that "cast cooldown" is safed as some type of "double", so it's more weird why unexpected things happened on edit this data ...... could someone help me about that?
(while the concept of edit game files is looks like mirror or the night system works well on early of the game, but your hero ability is "stuck" when in mid of games (you gain about 8000+ darkness), also some of upgrades are rarely to use while some of are "too useful", upgrade all things to max level is also things lack of tactics, so i want have a test what happen if have more unlock tactics. for stygin soul , 2 sec is too fast to break the game experience but 2.5 sec is resonable stronge if cost 20000 darkness.)
balmy coral
Guys I got a question. I picked up Demeter's rare crop and it downgrades slicing shot properly, but then I replaced slicing shot with crush shot and the demeter's boon became absolete. Is that intended? Shouldn't the replaced boon started getting upgrades?
gusty slate
Dunno, but rare crop lists which boon is affected, so I assume that's intended?
I wonder if someone sent feedback on that
outer comet
I think it's both intended and fair.
Boon replacements are a rarity higher than your boon of choice. If you go for that and Rare Crop still applies, then it either resets, or just scales to Heroic faster, and neither option are entirely fair.
gusty slate
Ah true
void vigil
Hey @undone fulcrum if you’re looking to discuss modding you could join the hades modding server: https://discord.gg/KuMbyrN
undone fulcrum
btw is that means modding is not a public allowed things?
sharp parcel
you're free to mod the game however you like
brave thicket
the problem is its hard to bring the mod to the standards of the normal game
summer aurora
does anyone have the issue of magma damage dealing 500% even without trap heat
narrow hazel
gusty slate
An amazing game, to think it's still EA status, v1.0 sometime near end of this year
sturdy oasis
anyone else losing their chthonic companion use at final bosswhile never having used it during the run? I noticed it 3-4 times now.
novel wasp
nope
void vigil
the final boss is a spoiler in this channel, please spoiler your message accordingly!
sturdy oasis
how is that a spoiler xd
void vigil
some companions cant be used in the final boss due to story reasons
also, its the final boss
not everyone who comes to this channel has beaten the game yet
sturdy oasis
i thought that there might be a story relation ^^
yeah but its.. pretty obvious you have to fight him from the first minute
^^
void vigil
not to everyone :P you can mention it freely in #h1-story-discussion and #h1-builds-and-combat though
sturdy oasis
no worries
brisk trail
It's obvious as soon as you ||read the title||
quaint bramble
@vagrant flint I really like the idea of toggleable weapon drawing as well but I don’t think it will happen due to the way SGG animates the sprites in Hades. They’d have to do multiple redraws for every movement animation with each weapon I believe.
vagrant flint
They have animations for the character walking with weapon after he attacks, but the weapon disappears if you stop walking.
quaint bramble
That would probably make it easier. If they can do it without needing to reset back to Zag’s default movement sprite for ease of rendering, I’m all for carrying around the elder weapons at all times.
sturdy oasis
toggleable weapon drawing? as in mid run weapon swap?
or just animation of weapon draw
quaint bramble
Just the animation of having Zag’s equipped weapon drawn at all times during a run, not swapping mid-run.
vapid sedge
Hi! New on this server. I ran into a very specific bug during one of my runs, where would be the place to post about that?
void vigil
press F10 in game!
upper carbon
is there a place to post bugs ?
void vigil
vapid sedge
Ah lovely, cheers
sturdy oasis
why did i think the elysium warriors were trolls up until reading the codex entries just now
they remind me of trolls. lol.
what were those bastion enemies called again, they look similar
never mind, they dont (the ura)
they just have the same annoying melee vibe
gusty slate
Elysium is best area
sturdy oasis
the shades agree with you
novel wasp
again
im in the new gang now
leaving Cursed Content for a while
@flat vapor join this new gang to restore honor for best gurl
swift falcon
Occasionally after clearing a room I hear ||chaos say something|| is that from having a ||chaos boon|| active?
flat vapor
are you playing chaos aspect shield
swift falcon
Ohh maybe that’s it
Makes sense
It’s crazy to me that after 50 hours in this game I’m still hearing new dialogue
How much must they have recorded
flat vapor
it's a cool little detail!
sage marten
yeah, elysium is pretty aesthetic
swift falcon
I think the only repeat dialogues I can think of are between Hades and Zag when you’re moving to another area
Even Theseus who only gives one line now has yet to repeat himself for me
gusty slate
Yeah the amount of dialogue and interaction is impressive
drifting basalt
does anyone else get wrist strain from constantly spamming the dash and attack buttons at the same time or is it just me
high island
I've had to take breaks before because of that, yeah.
rough token
@terse axle @crisp agate #hades-feedback is not for bug reporting, please report bugs in-game with f10
past mirage
It's especially problematic for me because I broke my wrist as a child.
finite dust
Im having trouble getting the companion shady, been stuck with the prophecy and sis at 6 hearts for like 10+ runs, but I see no contract in the shop, any way to speed up progress?
rough token
Not really? Just keep talking to him
I think there're a few dialogues to get through first
finite dust
how many? 20?
past mirage
The necessary dialogues are spread over several characters in a specific order, so it may take a while.
rough token
Also, do you have the || Administrative Chamber? ||
drifting basalt
i have injured my wrist in the past/get tendonitis in my wrist so it's a struggle, I'm sorry letran.thai that you struggle too
finite dust
yes @rough token
rough token
Mmkay. That is one of the requirements so wanted to check
quaint bramble
I’m fairly certain you have to talk to ||Nyx|| to get that item in the contractor after speaking to Sisyphus enough, just FYI
And her dialogue takes forever to experience
finite dust
Im just assuming there are a bunch of extra dialogues in the way because of newer patches
crisp agate
@rough token Apologies, the F10 function still fails to function for me so I can't use it as a way of reporting bugs sadly.
rough token
Ah, fair enough. Then I'd say probably mention it in #h1-tech-support . Sorry about your f10 xD
crisp agate
Shall do in future, no worries. Also yes, F for my F10
brisk trail
is hades an ohio class boomer? discuss
gusty slate
The moment you buy random hammer and get dished cursed slash
bronze saffron
its revealed somewhere the "favor" to give ambrosia to a god?
I have made the dionisio decoration and have max heart, but dont know if I need to make something else
gusty slate
Might just be RNG dialogue to get through
bronze saffron
oh the RNG dont likes me very much 
gusty slate
And let me tell you, there's tons of dialogue to get through lol
bronze saffron
in the moment I achieved the max heart with dio he stopped appearing for like 4 runs in a row
brisk trail
he was off binging on all them goodies
polar oracle
Hey y'all is there a place I can find a repository of all the quotes in the game? Particularly from Lord Hades himself, the sorts of things he says at the start of runs? I'm writing a fanfic and it'd be really helpful
rough token
@fluid charm it is by design, it allows you to keep the same seed for a run
fluid charm
@rough token Thanks
void vigil
hey @vague frigate the feedback channel is not for discussing feedback, you can do that here! im deleting your message as it isnt actual feedback
rough token
@polar hare to clarify your feedback, do you mean that the shield should stop at your cursor (where it was when you used the special), as opposed to always going the full distance?
rough token
Hmm, yeah I like that
As-is, it requires a lot of precise positioning to get it to finish where you want it, problem might be making that work for controller
polar hare
yeah thats true! A work around could be to have the special stop on first enemy hit. This could work on both pad and keybord/mouse. but i would prefer the special going on mouse cursor or at least having that be an option. Fyi i dont play on pad/controller so take my opinion on that with a grain of salt
rough token
Ye. I've been meaning to try out a bit with my controller, get a feel for how that plays
indigo summit
Whats the deal with Zag dashing the wrong way when you're near a wall and in an attack animation? Is it a bug or some weird "feature"?
twilit void
On the mirror powers fated list thing do you have to make it to the final boss or clear him to get the bounty done?
The wording makes me wonder
past mirage
Since there are prophecies of both kinds, let me just give a full account.
The prophecies relating to the fourth aspects have "reach the final boss" as clear condition.
The prophecies "Is there no escape?", "Master of Arms", "Dark Reflections" and "Harsh Conditions" require a full clear.
Oh, and "The Useless Trinket", too.
harsh pike
What does ||Hades’s|| cast status effect do?
quaint bramble
It ||doubles the damage you take||.
harsh pike
Ahhhhhhh
sharp maple
any ideas when the game (with the story) will be out of early access? in the patch notes it's written that focus will shift to V1.0 launch, but no estimated time
I played like 80 hours last year, want to return to game but it needs to be finished, I don't want to have a burnout again before the game is completed 😄
rough token
there is no time given yet
brisk trail
when its ready
granite ether
later this year is all we know as this time
twilit void
What’s the easiest pact for 2 heat?
brisk trail
If you normally do runs with any sort of speed, Tight Deadline.
hollow halo
tight deadline, benefits package(for prophecies) and extreme measures are all viable
plus benefits package spices up a run a little more
up until you crank it up to level 2 and get a room of shifter cloner skulls in tartarus
gusty slate
Did I miss a patch? Still on v0.31976
undone urchin
I didn't notice an update, although I did finally get an examine line for the Employee of the Month board again.
sick folio
quick question, if i get dodge chance via the plume keepsake and then switch keepsakes, does the dodge chance still carry over?
brisk trail
No, Keepsake effects only last as long as you have it equipped.
sick folio
according to the wiki, i can get skelly statues when defeating REDACTED at heat thresholds 8, 16, and 32. i have beaten the final boss at 8 heat and 9 heat, but have not gotten anything. why is this?
ashen vessel
@sick folio i ran into the same thing a while back.. u gotta activate the <spoiler> in the bottom corner from the window you start runs
drapes i suppose is pretty spoiler free
sick folio
i do what now?
brisk trail
I bought the game, but haven't had a chance to play yet, any tips/tricks.
sick folio
oh wait i see it!
vital dragon
@brisk trail DOn't expect to win the game on your first few attempts. The game is decently hard and getting more powerful between runs is probably your main focus
ashen vessel
yea i was up to heat 10 before i realized what to do, thought it was just bugged
vital dragon
Yeah you have to basically interact with the draped objects in the bottom left of the room with skelly in it
brisk trail
Should I go in #h1-for-new-players , or is it ok if I stay here
vital dragon
Probably #h1-for-new-players
brisk trail
Yeah ok
buoyant merlin
update what it did
@brisk trail amazing profile picture! I saw that a while ago but I can't find that exact image anymore. Can you send it?
fading gazelle
Did we just get a new patch?
fading gazelle
Noice
buoyant merlin
default spear has increased attack speed right? Can't seem to feel it even when I compare to others
brisk trail
Special speed.
sick folio
i underestimated artemis' call. it can SHRED boss hp bars if you crit enough
buoyant merlin
ah ok ty
brisk trail
I actually got a slightly loaded backstab build, Artemis's Aid backstabs.
Smoldering Air is an incredibly powerful boon that cemented Aphrodite in the top 3.
Honestly, it makes me want a boon that equivalently buffs Greater Calls.
flat vapor
brb changing my nickname to smouldering air gang
brisk trail
I might need to readjust my tier list, thinking about it.
flat vapor
boon that makes 6x duration greater calls do 7x duration instead 
brisk trail
Yeah, that's........... Totally as strong as Smoldering Air.
flat vapor
1.5x damage would be good
brisk trail
I want to say it's a frequency discrepancy.
Smoldering Air gets a bar so fast that it's hard to balance the Greater Call.
flat vapor
bar goes slower but the effect is twice as much
brisk trail
That still makes Smoldering Air the much better pick.
flat vapor
that'd be for greater call
brisk trail
I know.
flat vapor
hmm
brisk trail
But getting a Greater Call is just not a common occurrence.
Comparing it to a Call every 5 seconds? You can't slow it down from there.
flat vapor
maybe it could be a tier 2 boon to quick favor
fleet zephyr
Does it stack with Quick Favor?
brisk trail
Smoldering Air? To the best of my knowledge it does.
It's hard to tell because SA is so fast.
I think Epic Quick Favor is 1% every second, Smoldering Air is 5 times faster.
dawn tiger
Smoldering Air gets stupid with Second Wind from hermes or the other call boosters
rapid bear
Smoldering Air plus Second Wind is borderline cheating.
Especially if you have a high rarity Second Wind, the permanent up-time on that giant dodge chance will save you huge damage.
brisk trail
Aw, dang, it deserves a nerf, doesn't it?
This isn't even mentioning Billowing Strength, a Zeus boon (so it's likely to come up if you have SA in the first place).
flat vapor
nerf second wind first
brisk trail
Call frequency doesn't become unreasonable until SA enters the equation.
granite ether
@potent pendant regarding your most recent post in #hades-feedback, please use the in game bug reporter (F10) to report in game bugs/glitches, the feedback channel is not meant for this purpose
@balmy sundial regarding your most recent post in #hades-feedback please don't discuss or respond to feedback in that channel, if you wish to do so please use #h1-builds-and-combat.
past mirage
I also underestimated Smoldering Air at first, but it leads to absurd results.
unkempt sleet
A counterpart for smoldeing air could just be "You can use a greater call with less than a full bar"
Smoldering Air still more powerful tho
vague zinc
Is it just me or did the recent patch change something about perfect catch? I swear I've been hitting the timing pretty fast but no perfect catch so far.
fading gazelle
I'd say you're just a tad bit slower, cause I'm still hitting perfect catches
past mirage
As long as you remember using the call, it's 100% uptime for Second Wind and Billowing Strength on top of whatever the chosen call does. PICK A GOD AND PRAY
Even better with Rush Delivery.
past mirage
Hyper Sprint.
past mirage
It messes up my timing, but the concept is cool.
hollow halo
yeah its got something there
but it just feels off
its especially noticable in em hydra lol
my spacing is really off with it
still shard
I love Hyper Sprint. Add Greatest Reflexes and the last two bosses can't hit me anymore
slate plinth
I just bought the game, but just asking, will the price get higher once the game gets out of early access?
void vigil
"Will the game be priced differently during and after Early Access?
We do not expect to increase the retail price of Hades after Early Access is complete."
thats from the steam store page
slate plinth
uf sorry, i read the faq but didnt notice that question
high island
The FAQ probably exists more so that the mods can quote it. 
unkempt sleet
@hollow hull You can press F11 in game to take a screenshot.
warped wyvern
Probably been asked a handful of times, but are there plans for a daily/challenge seed mode we see in a lot of roguelikes? Or just manual seed selection in general? It'd be fun to get competitive with friends
livid cargo
They haven't specifically said anything about either @warped wyvern
mystic nexus
Question: When you skip ahead on Heat, what does that do for your bounties?
Do you just miss out on the levels you skip if you win?
warped wyvern
Ah dang, thanks for the info though
granite ether
They're focused on the 1.0 content atm
What we'll see from that content, we'll have to wait and see
And imo I don't think we'll see a daily/challange seed mode partly due to the focus of Hades is more on the narative than the rogue-like nature of the gameplay loop
But we don't know what will eventuate
radiant harbor
@mystic nexus let’s say you’ve beaten heat 1-6 & gotten rewards for it, next run you beat a heat 10 run. This gives you rewards for the heat 7 bounties.
If you stay at heat 10 after that, you continue to get bounties for another three wins (heat #8, 9, 10)
There’s no explicit benefit in skipping to a higher heat level, but you also do not lose out on anything
radiant harbor
IIRC each weapon only gives bounties until heat 20, so you can get 6x20 bounties
mystic nexus
So why is 32 the magic number?
radiant harbor
(25 for hell mode, since you start at 5 heat)
mystic nexus
The heat maximum is something like 50, yeah?
mystic nexus
Ah~
radiant harbor
And max heat has changed over time as balance has been adjusted/more heat conditions have been added
past mirage
There are three rewards unlocked after beating a run at heats 8, 16 and 32. Look towards the lower right in the courtyard.
For now, there are only bragging rights beyond that.
high island
@hollow hull please separate your feedback post into two individual messages. I can't vote on it the way it is now.
fathom tinsel
What’s the thought on ‘good’ percents on the plume and butterfly keepsakes? I managed to get butterfly up to 32% my last run.
high island
That's pretty good.
jaunty marsh
I hate Hades
I mean the character
And those two Elysium sneaky bros
For their movesets
gusty slate
?
brave thicket
they are fun to fight tho
gusty slate
Hades is a good guy, he's just misunderstood
buoyant merlin
I've got 3 different buffs for my spear special and it still feels like it isn't doing that much damage 
brave thicket
which spear?
narrow hemlock
was literally just thinking about theseus and then i look here
brave thicket
spear special does not do much damage without daedalus i dont think
buoyant merlin
Is that the punishing sweep one
brave thicket
daedalus hammers
buoyant merlin
the one that makes it explode? I have that as well
I mean it's ok, I just thought I'd like obliterate
brave thicket
you should not get athena if you wanna play offensive
a better boon would be artemis or aphrodiet
buoyant merlin
Not really going for a super specific build. I'm just suprised by the low damage output
brave thicket
lemme guess 2 common chaos and 1 common athena?
buoyant merlin
rare athena, rare chaos, common chaos
gusty slate
I always found spear damage to be pretty low in general >_>
buuuuuut I like the spear the least so I'm a bit biased
buoyant merlin
i love the achielles one
swift falcon
Yeah Achilles spear lets you get more aggressive which is nice
sage marten
Aye, spear’s pretty underwhelming
gusty slate
The spear buffs are nice
sage marten
Which is why you should always pick shield
high island
All the Eternal Spear aspects seem pretty good now.
swift falcon
Spear and bow are my weak point in terms of weapons. With other weapons even if I don’t have good boons, I can usually make the run work
But I’ve found with spear or bow, if I don’t have good boons I just can’t get it done
gusty slate
I can use all the weapons fairly well, spear and bow just annoy me the most
swift falcon
Also I always forget about spin attack on spear
gusty slate
Play ||Guan Yu with Beyblade mindset||
swift falcon
I just hate the charge time
swift falcon
If I don’t get Daedalus upgrade for spin I just don’t use it
Hate being locked into that animation
gusty slate
I find it risky to use tbh
gusty slate
My dash spear build dissaproves
swift falcon
In most situation I rather just dash away and attack from faraway
gusty slate
Sorta wish spear spin flowed a little bit better with normal moves
Also the worst feeling in the world when a stray attack breaks you out of a spin 😦
narrow hemlock
the mods dont like people evading the swear filter fyi
jaunty marsh
Me: being nimble af with a huge amout of critical strike hits
Elysium bros and Hades: go home filthy prat
the mods dont like people evading the swear filter fyi
@narrow hemlock Mods are asleep post heresy
Jk
narrow hemlock
honestly i am no longer able to hate theseus, had a lot of it when i was first playing and i kept getting beat there but not anymore. theyre just ridiculously silly
brisk trail
I only hate Theseus's bombs.
narrow hemlock
thats fair, its easy to lose track of those and they can hit for a lot
jaunty marsh
Bombs?
U mean when hes half health?
brisk trail
And naming the final boss is a spoiler, no matter how obvious it may seem.
I play with Extreme Measures.
jaunty marsh
Forgot how to use spoiler marks
Too lazy to do it anyways though
And who in the Tartarus is going to read the whole conversation here besides mods?
jaunty marsh
U welcome fam
high island
Too lazy to do it anyways though
I mean rules are rules lol.