world splitter or cruel thrust?
#h1-discussion
sinful star
Hard to say.
It's up to your style. World Splitter means you only have one hit in your Attack chain, but it's a meaty one.
I haven't had occasion to use both much, so I wouldn't be able to crunch numbers here.
limpid flare
I find generally speaking that the game is pretty balanced from an individual buff perspective.
So it mostly boils down to the synergy with what you already have and your preference in playstyle
sage marten
oh wow the petals cosmetic upgrade is pretty underwhelming for 500 gems
patent topaz
i feel like i'm getting worse at this game... maybe it's just because i played it so much i'm starting to numb?
Also just met chaos and they're my favourite god to pick boons from
i don't have that but yeah maybe they should rework some prices... or at least let us get 10 gems instead of 5
narrow hemlock
we've been asking for a while for room rewards to scale with heat. theyre fine as is on your initial runs but they quickly hit a point theyre honestly not worth the effort
vale wing
Can´t write it in the Feedback-Channel for some reasons I don´t really understand so I write it here. All Bosses in this Game should have about 50% less HP. Other than that it´s a really great game with nothing negative to say about.
chilly stump
Hey Nightrage! Please check the pins in the feedback channel for instructions on how to get access. 👍
No reason to be like that Duwang. 😄
dawn tangle
i suspect is downvoting the feedback already XD
cobalt kettle
After a solid 18 hours of gameplay, I cleared my first run ^_^
dawn tangle
congrats!!
cobalt kettle
surprisingly, it was with the bow
I thought it would've been with the shield first tbh
sage marten
gratz snek lad
rough token
nice!
cobalt kettle
hera aspect is super nice
sonic sleet
I like Dionysus how he was born was strange yet oddly normal for Greek gods. XD
cobalt kettle
as OSP put it, "Welcome to the esoteric birth club!"
sonic sleet
His mom was a mortal Zeus was sleeping with but Hera tricked the lady into getting Zeus to give her a favor so he agreed and she wanted to see his real godly form since Hera put doubt in her. So she instantly got turned to dust and the half formed Dionysus as still alive so Zeus saved him and cut open his leg and put Dionysus inside so he could continue to grow.
He then may have been raised by a few people most likely Zags Mom.
Then traveled the world, SOMEHOW got captured by Pirates who wanted to sell him cus apparently he looked adorable or something. Dionysus however wasn't having that so he used his powers to make the pirates go insane and for ivory and pan pipes music to be on the ship and they all jumped out of the ship where Dionysus then turned them into dolphins.
serene obsidian
Well good news is an Exit wounds Posidon blade seems to be pretty consistent....now I just need to work on the rest
sinful star
Hey, congrats!
serene obsidian
Damn.....a blade rift build turns barge of death into a meat grinder
limpid flare
Blade rift is cool but idk, I feel like a lot of the single-bar call effects don't last very long.
But, it does make you invincible, so you can deploy it situationally as a defensive measure which is nice
serene obsidian
No cast blade rift not the call
serene obsidian
Well it's the point of the this particular build ....but yeah sometimes I forget...I pretty much always forget before I get an upgrade for it lolol
delicate steeple
I do prefer the call to the cast. Then I can be the spinning vortex of blades rather than sending it off in a straight line to miss my target.
serene obsidian
Oh....yeah I go for hunting blades every time
limpid flare
A lot of casts just seem... slow to me
delicate steeple
I actually don't mind the slowness with Athena's cast. Gives a chance to bounce everything around.
serene obsidian
Aww looking good.... Achilles Spear.. Hunter Blades, dual cast
delicate steeple
I've made it out with Zag's shield, mostly Athena boons. And I just made it out with the fists and a whole mess of boons. Inflicting weak and charm with punches is great. Hearing Hades giggle like a love-struck schoolchild.....
serene obsidian
Demeter is good with the fists ....her damage bump is pretty good, and if you get the 10 stack explosion you stack it fast....
limpid flare
My first victory was just "spam Y" https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/589180228937449482/709951880050114590/unknown.png
serene obsidian
Lightning strike on the fists is bananas
limpid flare
I've gotten one or two more since then, but the final boss hits hard. Sometimes I get there with a bad comp and I'm like "yep, this is where it ends"
delicate steeple
I've been hoping to try a Demeter run. And Dionysus, I like the DoTs and delayed burst damage (a la Ares)
limpid flare
Ares has a legendary buff for "hitting an enemy with doom instantly triggers doom"
which is bonkers
especially if you get the boon for "doom effect is delayed but damage increases"
serene obsidian
You can really build around a number of the attack combining duo boons
rugged glacier
if you're gonna experiment with demeter's aspect some more, try out artemis crits on special as well
delicate steeple
I do like the Ares/Zeus duo when I get some retaliation abilities. Those are vicious when they are popping every few seconds.
serene obsidian
@limpid flare - Demeter/Dio is great on Hera Bow ...ice wine
manic bobcat
I think you mean Merciful End
delicate steeple
I wanted to try that ice wine. I was thinking fists or gun for that though. Get as many stacks of whatever debuff applies.
limpid flare
I'm doing a run with the bow right now. It felt awkward at first because it doesn't lend itself well to quick attacks. I have to adapt my playstyle accordingly
rugged glacier
alright, nevermind... you meant demeter boons, not aspect... my bad 😄
manic bobcat
Which work slightly differently
limpid flare
This was a nice victory too btw. Unlimited lightning works lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/589180228937449482/711336509009166396/unknown.png
delicate steeple
I'm terrible with the bow. My best ones are shield and fists. :P
manic bobcat
Also if you want to post screenshots, maybe try #h1-builds-and-combat to avoid whatever minor spoiler your screenshot can contain.
serene obsidian
@delicate steeple ice wine is the damage increase on trippy shot. So you just delete things with the bow loaded shots
delicate steeple
Yeah, I could see how that would obliterate.
limpid flare
I double checked before I posted, but unless the victory screen itself is considered a spoiler I don't think I have any in there.
serene obsidian
It's basically my go to bow now and I'm actually clearing heats... .use Dio's keepsake out the.gate to get trippy shot....and you can do well with whatever else shows up imo
delicate steeple
I'd like to get the third aspect for the sword unlocked; I've got the spear, but that's it for now.
serene obsidian
I like Posidon blade with an Exit wounds build....just need to figure the defense side of it out
And once again Achilles Hunting Blades shreds the final battle
delicate steeple
Is there a point to Stygius of Poseidon if I'm using Stygian Soul already? I don't have a cast charge to pick up.
restive depot
One escape. With my second-worst weapon
delicate steeple
Once I get my current mirror build finished, I'm going to start levelling the opposite buffs so that I can just have everything maxed. Though I'll probably wait on the fated buff and keep Authority.
Well.....1 in authority. :P No need to go too wild yet.
limpid flare
It would be fun to have a mode where we can choose the exact boons we want at every boon, just for kicks
even if you can't unlock anything in this mode or whatever
quaint wind
that'd be a lot of fun
manic bobcat
I kinda want a victory lap feature in the game
like you use the end game build and run the game again, with whatever heat and setup you want
of course you won't earn rewards
summer raft
Not sure what channel this belongs in but I finally bought Hades during the Epic sale and this game is a blast. Been steaming through it and beat [Redacted] a few hours ago. Feels like I haven't even scratched the surface of the depth yet.
manic bobcat
hey this channel is fine, but the identity of the final boss is considered spoiler, so you should put a spoiler tag around it
otherwise grats on the win!
first of many
delicate steeple
Welcome to the fold! You're in the same boat that I am, though I got it on sale from Steam. :P
And just beat my first run yesterday and my second run today. Now to kick out the crutch of god mode (I wanted to see the story! And the end of the game) and see what happens! I'm currently running Zeus's shield with a Dionysus special. Still early, so that's all I've got.
limpid flare
I was stubborn and never used God Mode
I think it took me about 20-25 tries to beat the game?
manic bobcat
that's pretty good
rough token
According to the log, I beat it on my 4th. But I also got really good Zeus boons on the shield
also most of my deaths are to the Bone Hydra
Wait no, misread that
13th was my escape
4th was my first time reaching the end
delicate steeple
Took me.....45 runs? Somewhere around there. This isn't my usual genre nowdays, but I'm getting better with my controller. :3 But making random builds like this and running them is great fun! I was never fun at Binding of Isaac, but this game is perfect for me! I may not be the best at it, but I have fun at my own pace.
manic bobcat
ohh lol
i had my 40 runs in 19 hours
i guess i was way more suicidal than you were
cobalt kettle
I own like, way too many roguelikes
manic bobcat
what are some of them? I love Isaac and turn based rouglikes
manic bobcat
but what are some non turn based ones?
cobalt kettle
I prefer the more fast paced ones
Isaac, Nuclear Throne, Dead Cells, Starward Rogue
Starward is even a bullet hell roguelike, which is fun
manic bobcat
sounds good thanks!
sinful star
Enter the Gungeon is another.
cobalt kettle
Ye, I own that
sinful star
(Easily my fave of that type)
cobalt kettle
I have a solid 300 hours in Isaac
manic bobcat
yeah im considering gungeon, been doing risk of rain
anyhow
we should get back on topic before people get upset
cobalt kettle
lol, true
I had a zeus mega chain build on the bow when I finally beat the final boss
chain lightning attack, triple shot, ricochet shot
manic bobcat
triple shot is triple the damage pointblank
cobalt kettle
such a good room clear
manic bobcat
if you live dangerously
dreamy roost
Clutch win though
stable kettle
ok, so i'm running through with the adamant rail and is anyone else finding it to be very low powered, or is there a trick to running it efficiently that I'm not catching on to?
delicate steeple
I've been finding having a bit more ammo helps. I have two levels put into Zag's rail.
long pollen
I find it very hard to use before having more ammo
sinful star
Yeah, but there is a way I worked out to help keep track of ammo and minimize downtime.
limpid flare
Even the first ammo upgrade helps immensely
delicate steeple
Remembering to reload helps. And using the rocket each time you do helps boost your damage each time. While the rocket flies, reload and fire more.
stable kettle
I might be goldfish brain.....but I think I brought the aspect to level 2?
sinful star
I like to dash-shot and then let him keep firing for 3-4 shots, then dash-shot again. This helps me count out my ammo better, know when to cover my reload with a mortar, and also stay evasive.
delicate steeple
Oooh, I like that, Syd. I might have to try that sometime.
stable kettle
I don't think i've gotten much put into my weapons - i'm slow running through each, I got attached to the spear for quite a while
stable kettle
that's a solid play though with the dash-shot!
sinful star
It's actually a little similar to how I use the fists.
stable kettle
the reliance on reloading is my weakness T.T I literally have a twitch command to remind me to reload
which is how awful I am at remembering to reload
delicate steeple
I'm running with Zeus's sheild right now. :D It's a drunken party with every special!
sinful star
Adapting it to T H E G U N felt pretty natural to me.
...I swear, Aspect of Zeus is SO fun for me.
I actually understand how it feels to play those puppet fighters in Arc System Works fighting games thanks to that.
stable kettle
I think the Dionysus trippy shot has been my favorite for fun plays :^)
it's actually also pretty OP against Meg i've found
you spam it when she goes for her major attacks and it's ez damage
sinful star
It's a good Cast!
delicate steeple
With Zeus's shield, I've been loving it on the special because anyone caught in it is up to 5 stacks in a second.
sinful star
Nice.
I'm still juggling my favorite option for Zeus.
Might go with his own lightning on the Special, but maybe Chill would be interesting.
delicate steeple
I've been wanting to try a Demeter/Dionysus run, but I can't influence the Fates! Except for the first boon, at least.
stable kettle
you know...........
delicate steeple
I want to play with Ice Wine
stable kettle
I don't think i've come across Demeter once 
at least, not that i'm recalling specifically
delicate steeple
Came across it first run after I sent dad to the Pool.
delicate steeple
Actually, it was the first boon I encountered.
stable kettle
darn.....I'm 35 hours in and terrible at these kinds of games typically
stable kettle
this is one of the few i've given a shot with cause i'm obsessed with the Hades/Persephone mythos
i love it so much tho
sinful star
It's really cool, yeah!
delicate steeple
So am I, so I put it on God Mode to get my reflexes where I'd like them without too much dying, so that when I turn it off, I can still avoid dying.
sinful star
And Zag is a refreshingly emotionally-available Snarky Man Protagonist.
delicate steeple
Oh darn. And I'm only at 64%. I have work to do. :P
stable kettle
I haven't toyed much with God Mode....maybe i'll give that a shot
delicate steeple
It's a nice crutch to have if I just want to play the game and play with builds without worrying about dying. And it's letting me power up my weapons. I just don't want to rely on it too much before I take it away.
stable kettle
that's fair, maybe I will run through with that a bit, if anything else, would be a nice way to focus on trying out weapons and such
thanks a bunch guys 
I'm jumping back in for another round!
sinful star
Good hunting!
delicate steeple
It's a great way to test things out! I just died from a spike trap. Darn 400% trap damage. :P
brisk trail
I eagerly await the day someone who really gets Aspect of Zeus uses it and just deletes the world with it.
delicate steeple
That's my favorite weapon so far. I don't know about deleting the world, but I just used it to make a drunken mess with its special. So that was a thing. Up against Meg and a souped-up spike trap stabbed me.
little ridge
zeus sp boon is more deadly than anything with the aspect of zeus
manic bobcat
you mean lightning flourish?
little ridge
Yes
brisk trail
It is the one weapon on which Thunder Flourish is an S-tier option.
brisk trail
I feel like I don't need to specify I'm not breaking any weapon mechanics.
Like, that should be the default assumption, that I'm playing an unmodded game.
flat vapor
would it break thunder flourish again if the internal cooldown was lessened just a tiny bit
high island
No, it wouldn't.
Right now it's just bad on everything except Zeus Aspect and maybe Varatha.
manic bobcat
and zeus shield apparently
high island
That's . . . that's what I wrote. 
manic bobcat
That's what I didn't read apparently
high island
manic bobcat
restive depot
Sward
terse geyser
chaos aspect is actually amazing with thunder flourish, especially if you get dread flight. Sure, lightning doesn't strike on every hit, but there's a lot of lightning anyways.
deep pivot
(How I love their interactions)
terse geyser
chaos aspect is like your own personal cheerleader, which is nice
quaint wind
chaos has such a cool design
deep pivot
Have you ever gotten Thunder Flourish + Double Strike + Splitting Bolt with Aspect of Chaos?
That sounds like fun~
I like Chaos' boon symbol. All pointy hehe
vast junco
my second fastest run was actually with aspect of chaos with thunder flourish!
double strike and splitting bolt were also present ⛈️
primal whale
Idk, Artemis special with zeus aspect is a lot of damage
brisk trail
RIP Charged Throw with Deadly Flourish.
primal whale
And it opens you up to increasing it through chaos boons
high island
Thunder Flourish gets tier 2 boons, too.
I've added Zeus Aspect damage for 1, 3, and 6 tics to the spreadsheet.
That's assuming all tics on a single target.
Oh oops, forgot to add the second Doom proc.
(Doom reapplies on the 4th tic.)
rugged glacier
I've added Zeus Aspect damage for 1, 3, and 6 tics to the spreadsheet.
@high island what spreadsheet?
high island
It's pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat
Hangover numbers for 6 tics might not be perfect because I don't know how exactly stacks behave when you've already hit the cap. I.e., if the one with the least duration is replaced with a new stack or if the new stacks don't apply at all while 5 are on an enemy already etc.
rugged glacier
I see. thx
rancid quarry
Holy poop. I did not realize you could get two Duos. Almost abandoned the run, but it really came together in late stage III.
deep pivot
Hangover numbers for 6 tics might not be perfect because I don't know how exactly stacks behave when you've already hit the cap. I.e., if the one with the least duration is replaced with a new stack or if the new stacks don't apply at all while 5 are on an enemy already etc.
Nyaanyaa Mewmew#0147 I will test how it works and get back to ya 👍
high island
Thanks!
dim stratus
what is the third zone called again, Elysion?
Anyone really dislike the music played there?
Its way to "whacky" compared to the rest of the game, It feels like a circus piece.
I think, If I got to make one change to the game, I would replace that music with something more blood-pumping.
anything less carnivale:esque.
sage marten
Elysium
dim stratus
Ill see if I can find the track Im talking about
found it: https://youtu.be/FLK0pr3r3XA
I mean, its not even a bad track.
its just, that freaking intrument just keep nagging you
just tro listen to all 8 min of this and tell me you dont get annoyed.
sage marten
I actually like it though
deep pivot
It's actually one of my faves from the game 
sinful star
I actually don't mind it! It's not as growly as, say, Out of Tartarus, but I think it fits the area well.
dim stratus
Its just the same two notes repeated over and over again. Remove the nagging flute/synth and it would make the track better.
cobalt kettle
I just really dislike the shield enemy tbh
dim stratus
let them walk close to bombs and hit the bomb =)
cobalt kettle
They always seem to skirt around them for me :(
dim stratus
I think most things in Elysium got like 30% too much hp
really gotta abuse those bombs or each room becomes a long drag
deep pivot
Bananaconda 
daring hull
bananaconda i love your name
narrow hemlock
elysium doesn't even play the exalted for the whole trek through the area, it switches over to the king and the bull
idk I don't really pay attention while the exalted is playing to be perfectly honest
cobalt kettle
Lol thank you
sage marten
the bull and the dull*
sinful pine
the track that plays on the boat is honestly my fave combat track in the game
patent topaz
tunnnn... tun tun, tununnnn...
sinful pine
what's the name of that
obsidian pulsar
The king and the bull is so good. Really reminds me of Rage Against the Machine in a lot of places.
The synthy-bits sound like some wacky Tom Morello guitar and then the really intense bits have shades of Killing in the Name
narrow hemlock
the king and the bull when it kicks up is def one of my fav pieces haha
brisk trail
The Bloodless is the music for the the Barge of Death.
Also plays for a special miniboss towards the endgame.
And I don't get any carnival vibes from The Exalted.
narrow hemlock
trying to think of the other one I really like when it kicks up intensity, I think it was wretched shades
brisk trail
Yesssssssss.
Wretched Shades messed with me, because it's Sisyphus's theme as well as the Trove song, so the two halves never appear together.
opaque nexus
Man I've been forgetting about this game
update in june doesn't seem so distant now
narrow hemlock
i like it but its not on my list of top favs, no
i lean more toward those beats that inexplicably make me want to tap my feet, fingers ect while im playing even while im trying to focus
wretched shades is really good at that when it picks up, cant sit still to that 😌
brisk trail
Oh, the second half of God of the Dead is my favorite song in the game.
vale kite
primordial chaos is such a good theme to fall asleep to
narrow hemlock
falling asleep to chaos in itself is a really funny idea
quaint bramble
I feel Last Words is underrated. Primordial is also a lovely theme
narrow hemlock
so many eyes to keep watch of you
wind nest
any word on the june update?
narrow hemlock
nope
we are still waiting on the "We'll have more details on that later this month. " part
nimble ocean
my friend doesn't give up hope on news about possibility of her suggestion being implemented..
either in june, or after release
knowing that this is improbable is difficult..
light estuary
what's her suggestion?
nimble ocean
Leuce and her story
significant character.. complicated story
a lot of personal effort was made, enough to make a fanfiction, but she thinks SGG can make it better
every day she asks, if there are any news
what it was.. January of February..
when she asked to make a suggestion here
patent topaz
The Leuce tree is in Elysium... maybe they could just add the tree... maybe in the fountain chamber :/ idk
nimble ocean
she thought about something like.. her chamber being something between prison and safe vault.. since Leuce is alive, but can't get back to the surface.
and Hades keeps her secure, but hidden
maybe, he even wants to forget about past mistakes
and well.. she doesn't trust anyone now.. constant regret, with almost no hope that everything is gonna be okay.. she is not that bold to try and escape..
and then Zag shows up, eliminates guards.. and tries to rush and solve all the problems, as he likes to do
but it's not that easy
and then her storyline begins.. lots of nectar.. he would try to prove that he is not dangerous..
and they have a lot of common in fact.. slowly they can become friends..
my friend knows more details of the story..
patent topaz
well that's cute
but idk if she as a character can be in the game because she would have to be the Styx npc
She COULD be the Styx character, but would it make sense?
Sgg took liberties so even if she's not in Elysium it could not matter i think?
dawn tangle
she should be at fountain probably
not to mess up with the npc order
but i do like it a lot
patent topaz
If she doesn't make it like i said Joanne could use her magic pen to draw an happy little tree in the fountain chamber
nimble ocean
well, who knows.. the first idea was 2 characters in Elysium instead of one.. and then she has to give something valuable enough..
dawn tangle
she is related to persephone so she could be a way for zag to know more about her
nimble ocean
they definitely can know of each other
since.. both Leuce and Persephone represent renovation and spring.. and both were loved by Hades
who knows what relations could they have.. what version of myth can be used
sage marten
Feels kinda forced
She’d basically be persephone 2.0
patent topaz
wait, off topic, and i know they won't be in the game in any way but
do daphne and hyachintus count as dead people?
no wait daphne didn't die-
Does hyachintus count as dead? Is he trapped on earth as a flower? If the flower dies does he go to the underworld or not because flowers don't go there? Do flowers become underworld flowers when they die? If that will hyachintus go there as a human or as a flower? oh my god
I got reminded of that because leuce is a tree and all that
nimble ocean
i believe.. once there was a similar topic.. people decided that all the food, fruits, meat, fish and, well, flowers and petals get in the underworld via natural way.. after withering and spoiling
patent topaz
but does he go as a human or flower
sage marten
Hyacinthus is dead, he didn’t turn into a flower apollo created the flower from his corpse
Or blood whatever
So he’d be a very human shade
patent topaz
ooh god thank you i was having a mental shutdown
sage marten
plus he got turned into a god iirc
patent topaz
nope
wait maybe there's an obscure version lemme check
sage marten
wait no he didn’t
nimble ocean
btw, Apollo was not only an aspect of Helios, he is also a god of healers
speaking of his possible role
of the underworld's psychologic therapist
patent topaz
He also totally needs a therapist
everyone does actually
nimble ocean
and for Leuce as well.. so that counts
somehow Hades is a game about overcoming certain problems in life
despite being a game about the world of the dead
patent topaz
Someone noted every sgg game has a distance, longing for something, loss theme
Bastion's lost civilization and Zia and especially Zulf's loss of their people, Red's loss of her voice and ||possible boyfriend||, pyre's longing for freedom and oh boy, where do i start for hades
Want of freedom from Zag, search for her missing mother, absence of love from his dad, Achilles and Orpheus that miss their loved ones, Patroclus and Eurydice still loving them even if they don't wanna admit it, on the contrary Sisiphus ended up adjusting to his not life etc...
nimble ocean
Meg and her sisters.. Than and his brother.. Dusa wanting to be useful..
patent topaz
heck even cerberus misses Zag, even the dog goes along with the theme
nimble ocean
||Nyx and Chaos||
patent topaz
heyo, everyone alright up there? Can we help somehow? Has someone dealt with a bad breakup? Did someone you loved die? Can we help in any way? Greg? Amir? Gavin? Caitlin? All good?
right i forgot
||Artemis and Callisto||
now i'm kinda worried about them lol
The olympian gods and hades also
nimble ocean
death and parting are always together.. maybe it's just the whole theme of the setting.. but now am worried too
gloomy fulcrum
I just wanna say: SWEET JESUS, the music for this game is amazing. The Good Riddance songs + duet video I found on youtube has hit me like a truck
patent topaz
maybe it's just a coincidence with the others and what you said for hades but i think they're doing it on purpose because of a theme they choose, hopefully not because of trauma that yes can create good stories but jesus they can come out fine even without first person experience
dawn tangle
we all experience missing, solitude and sadness sometimes, basing a story around that in a fair measure often helps people identify with those characters and get more attached to them
patent topaz
welcome to the club sweetie, all hail Darren and Ashley
dawn tangle
if you make them all happy-go-lucky, people might like them cause they are fun and positive, but others won't
gloomy fulcrum
seriously, these guys are gods
patent topaz
badum tuss
gloomy fulcrum
every single SG game I played has amazing soundtrack
nimble ocean
i found myself singing Good Riddance when doing something, like cooking
gloomy fulcrum
oh, I didn't even notice the pun ROFL
I'm an aspiring indie developer, I wish I could get music this amazing for my games
dawn tangle
i live for the day they cooperate with the couple that sang dishonored's songs
to bring something extra glorious
gloomy fulcrum
heck, I bet it'd bump my metacritic by a good 15 points on the music alone
patent topaz
I wanted to sing euri's good riddance part for my final performance at the end of this singing lessons' year
then something happened
nimble ocean
guess.. that thing happened with everyone
patent topaz
you know, a bat was ate...
some people fled a certain country... bringing something with them...
gloomy fulcrum
uhm, don't mean to sound like a dumbo, but I'm not getting the reference
I don't watch TV much, was it on the news?
oh, wait, I think I get it
you mean the pandemic, right?
gloomy fulcrum
that's a shame indeed 😦
patent topaz
we will do something when holidays end i think, waters will be calmer then
Side note i love the miniboss segment of Out of Tartarus
nimble ocean
indeed
patent topaz
also the painful way one
nimble ocean
someday im gonna get enough diamonds to unlock all the Orpheus' music sheet.. someday.. in the future
guess.. soundtrack was part the reason why my friend became SGG fan in the first place
also, because of impact from Pyre story
gloomy fulcrum
I hope this doesn't sound annoying, but I didn't really get interested in Pyre, at least not from the trailer
I guess I don't really get what the game is like
if it's not too much trouble, could you tell me what Pyre is actually like?
nimble ocean
it's something more like visual novel
and some football
story is the main part.. all the choices that has to be made
gloomy fulcrum
yeah, I got that some of it was about you deciding people's fates, or something of the sorts
gloomy fulcrum
oh, my bad
nimble ocean
when she finished the game, she cried for two days..
nimble ocean
what is DM? sorry, im that stupid
gloomy fulcrum
Direct Message/Private Message
nimble ocean
ah.. okay
halcyon tiger
So anyone know when in next update?
narrow hemlock
it happens! theres a lot of technical stuff involved in this update, so its not surprising its taking longer
all we can do is be patient, and i say that as someone who feels like a restless animal prowling around a cage, i just want any crumb of news that bad 😔 but theres nothing to be done but give the team the time they need
manic bobcat
SSG put a curse of longing onto its player base.
terse geyser
we're all doomed, weak, and susceptible to 40% more damage due to privileged status?
nimble ocean
like i said, my friend asks me every single day, if there are any news.. for several months now..
we should hope there will be no other status effect on us
narrow hemlock
hm yknow, i am awfully hyperfixated on hades atm, like to the point that i hold little lasting interest in other things but i still find other stuff to do to pass the time and not focus on the wait for the update or else it would drive me crazy. your friend should find something to pass the time for them as well. brains are really dumb, sometimes you just gotta trick em a bit so you can do smth else
its not really healthy for any of us to fixate on when news will happen haha, myself included. it'll come around soon!
alpine stratus
i didnt kno how id survive the wait n then my brain swapped out the main hyperfix lolll
minds are unpredictable but they sure love loving things!!!
hopefully when june update comes around i will b ready 2 dive back in 😤
patent topaz
the good thing is that this is an anomaly iirc
They had to tinker with the code so that's why this time they took so long unlike the other times where you had to wait less (i still wasn't in the... fandom, i guess?)
am i right?
nimble ocean
i would definitely like my friend to find some kind of stuff to do, but i think, it's more for her than just some idea of making something she like to see.. more of a call to be heard, story based on personal life be told, a way of leaving something for others to make the world slightly better.. she is also stuck at home with abusive parent and all she wants is to be loved and to be free.. so it's more personal..
or maybe it's because there is so many things to do
patent topaz
oh jeez i'm sorry
nimble ocean
certainly not because of quarantine or something
alpine stratus
oh nooooo :((( hopefully the wait will not be too much longer for her!! 🙏
nimble ocean
thanks.. i'll tell her that people do care
patent topaz
Can you call the police if you don't feel safe with your parents? Can they at least lend her some help?
nimble ocean
well, she is adult, so police can't really do much.. also we live in a country where people don't really rely on the police
patent topaz
oh
oh
unborn grove
same here a bit too eastern
alpine stratus
hey guys, #off-topic-discussion pls!!
unborn grove
wish her my bests
nimble ocean
thanks..
patent topaz
last thing i promise: she could start saving for a place to live, if you can do that... maybe even move out (as in, even with the pandemic, idk you but here where i am laws are loosening so if that's also the case there)
nimble ocean
i offered her a place, but guess.. that's been to much influence from her mother, so she is afraid to leave even more than to stay..
and it has been represented in Leuce's story as well..
(trying to steer back to Hades)
patent topaz
i don't know what to say other than i hope she will be better, and trying to go back on topic myself, i also hope your presence and the game can help her enjoy life even in that situation
wind nest
I tried to trick my brain into paying attention to valorant but it didn't work
multiplayer games are dumb I just wanna keep my 20 heat climb going without wasting too much time with no story updates
I'm almost 100 runs in, and I'm just barely out of story to progress
Only getting little drops of story once a run now
nimble ocean
strange.. when i was around 100, there was mere half of storylines completed.. maybe even less
and then update came out.. and then another one
wind nest
I only like this one rn
Let's see I had a storyline with nyx and dusa
and finished all the ones with the outside characters
And I have maxed out most of the relationships with the people you can max out
So now there's not a ton of characters who say new things in the house
maybe 1 intereseting thing a run now.
nimble ocean
little bit of offtopic.. my friend said thanks to you all for the support and that it's lovely that someone out there cares..
shame that she is too shy and afraid of rejection to come here personally
dawn tangle
awww
that's cute
she should try nevertheless to come once she gathers some confidence and mingle among all of Supergigant fans
there is no hurry, but being part of a comunity you like does help a bit
nimble ocean
i'll tell her, thanks
sage marten
Out of sheer curiosity, is Zeus the god with the most boons? He’s got one with everyone minus aphrodite iirc
nimble ocean
let's see..
Aphro: 13 boons+5 duos
Athena: 14+4
Ares: 13+4
Artemis: 14+5
Demeter: 12+4
Dio: 13+4
Hermes: 12
Poseidon: 13+4
Zeus: 13+6
seems like yes, he shares 1st place with Artemis
sage marten
Huh, never noticed she had that many boons
Neato
nimble ocean
also, Chaos has 10, but with all the curses it makes 120
smoky rune
Where can we find the voice actor credits?
narrow hemlock
main menu, credits
am in another game atm so i cant open it for the exact location but there should be smth on the title screen if you poke around
bright python
Am I missing something that makes Doom worth building around?
Besides revenge builds, it doesn't have very good scaling to kill the tougher enemies
trail dome
Doom is neato but if you really want to scale get Athena duo
you basically get athena on dash and then doom on attack and dash attack through everything
bright python
Okay the dash makes sense
I was going to say, I've tried the duo a few times but only got it to work well on Aspect of Zeus
But I missed the dash interaction
Thanks for the tip
trail dome
smoky rune
I can find it from there. Thanks
eternal dew
Quick Q: What are the conditions which determine whether you can "quit" vs. "abandon run"?
manic bobcat
whether you take damage or not I think
terse geyser
if you have cleared a room since the last time you took damage, you can quit
unless you're in styx. If you're in the hub you can't quit
manic bobcat
Important note: Give up just revert you back to the prior save point
which is the entrance to the courtyard
so you can save scum
just saying 😉
eternal dew
Wait, are you sure about that? It looks like it should return you to Hades
I mean, it should abandon your run, right?
terse geyser
giving up is often actually quite beneficial, you keep your run seed, and your clear streak
manic bobcat
your win streak is not affected
eternal dew
That's unfortunate!
manic bobcat
Give up, I think, was meant as a convenience feature
terse geyser
It's useful if you make a mistake with weapon/mirror choices
eternal dew
Thank you very much for the info, though. I often have only 15-30 minutes at a time to play, and minimizing the game isn't an option. It's great that I can exit between sessions. 🙂
manic bobcat
yeah if you quit, it loads at the beginning at the stage
terse geyser
15-30 minutes to play👀
brutal
eternal dew
Haha! I teach online classes, and I love to get half a session when I have a 30 minute break. In the evenings I have more time. ^.^
eternal dew
This game is... like... Diablo 2 levels of fun. Unbelievably good.
primal cypress
Nearly June know, SG said more details regarding the june update later this month... Which is about to finish. Getting really hyped for the next few days
still tiger
Me too! I can't wait for a countdown to start!
twilit burrow
I wfh and sometimes I sneak in a game or two
@manic bobcat I do this in my scrum meetings as well, it adds an extra layer of difficulty
old tundra
anyone knows what triggers unlocking the last aspects of the spear and the sword
i got the spear one but not the sword one
high island
There's a pinned message from Greg in #h1-story-discussion for the sword.
high island
sage marten
I think guan yu requires having some aspects unlocked across all weapons and a specific convo from achilles
Just a specific amount of em, doesn’t matter which ones
gusty slate
Well other than Zag xD
sage marten
Yeah, non-default aspects
I think two-three aspects ought to do the trick, i didn’t have that many when i got Guan Yu
pearl oracle
this might sound pretty bad / off topic but is there a game tahts like hades but slower
hades is far too high octane for me rn*
granite ether
slay the spire is good fun, also best to move this to #off-topic-discussion 
pearl oracle
oop mb
old tundra
anyone knows where can i find what gods reroll into other gods
i think ares, artemis and aphro reroll into eachother often
wicked grail
my game just crashed after picking up a boon in asphodel and going back into the game put me back in the house of hades
limpid flare
Truly there is no escape
old tundra
if i have all 3 revives and i take Athenas deathless stand
do i get another revive or nothing
empty ferry
you dont get a Death Defiance, only the buff to them
sage marten
Didn’t you get an extra one?
empty ferry
you used to
now i think only chaos gives extras
rich reef
Hey guys, I have something that just happened to me and not sure it is supposed to go that way: I have Exclusive access, just got Rare crop and after 3 encounters my boons immediately jumped to Epic.
Is that how the interaction between these 2 boons is supposed to work?
hexed smelt
that sounds about right!
rich reef
Ok, that was not what I would have guessed from the wording from exclusive access but sure. Thanks!
knotty marten
what's the third entry from the bottom in "wanton ransacking" prophecy?
twilit burrow
do i get another revive or nothing
@old tundra It re-fills one if you used it
otherwise that part of the boon is worthless in that particular context
strange dragon
i found a girl singing and i was afk for like 10 minutes listening the song because it was really beautiful
where can i find her singing that again?
sinful star
I assume this was in Asphodel.
In which case, she'll be around in Asphodel.
Once per run, if you can find her room, that's where she'll be.
quaint bramble
That character will sing most times you meet her in ||the second level||. Her name is ||Euridice||. Look for the door with an exclamation mark on it when you’re on that level. She doesn’t always show up though
strange dragon
oohh :c okaay
guess i got to be lucky enough lol
Thanks! 😄
just bought this game yesterday, it's really cool
quaint bramble
Cheers!
sinful star
Welcome to the fold!
strange dragon
thanks!!
grand ruin
Hey there everyone !
quaint bramble
Hello!
manic bobcat
Hey there Delilah
rough token
Hello!
sinful star
\o
grand ruin
Sorry to ask, i'm quite new on this server, I'd like to help the developpers translate the game in french. Do you know in which category I should ask ?
quaint wind
if you check the pins in #hades-localization it says they're not currently taking more applicants
except for simplified Chinese
grand ruin
All right thank you I'll keep in touch with that channel
sage marten
woo just got my first chaos feesh and it was a voidskate
i don't know who taught me the finger trick but god bless your soul
manic bobcat
You are welcome 
rough token
So what's this trick? I've seen it mentioned a couple times now
manic bobcat
Just cover the bouy with your finger and look for the flash of light.
It stops you from being distracted by the bouy moving up and down.
rough token
Lol
manic bobcat
That's it :D
rough token
Nah, makes sense though
sage marten
but it's also really effective
quaint wind
oh that's good to know
narrow hemlock
noteworthy for anyone not relying on controller vibration, for sure 😄
quaint wind
finally got to meg! i got her down to half health before she wrecked me
but i also had like 32 hp going in
sage marten
Get all the darkness so you can get DDs going, one ought to be enough to get past her
quaint wind
oh i forgot all about those lmao
manic bobcat
Nice!
quaint wind
the shield is so good
gusty slate
Divine strike fist + extra hit hammer can negate so much damage
sharp parcel
woah, there sure are a lot of SG dudes in today
manic bobcat
SG?
sharp parcel
Supergiant
clever halo
Sega Genesis.
manic bobcat
All the devs are playing Hades, smh. If they actually spend time developing the game we will launch by lunch time. Smh my head.
sage marten
i trusted you knucklehead
clever halo
They're testing a new patch that detects if players are named FoxHope, and if so, gibs them during the final boss's last invincibility spike.
terse geyser
probably an unpopular opinion but i think the Slothful movement penalty boon from Chaos should also apply to Dashes
@sage marten no kidding, that would turn it from an inconvenience into "there is no escape". If you can't dash, you basically just die.
and lower movement speed by itself is often huge
clever halo
Trying to think which boon would be worth "game over."
sage marten
yes but
dash is already one of your main forms of movement
negative movement speed is a non-issue in most cases
low fiber
it depends on what the intention of the negative chaos modifiers are
are they supposed to be punishing?
or just inconveniences?
sage marten
a lot of them are seriously punishing
such as
loosing health every time you attack in one way or another
massive extra damage from traps
and etc
low fiber
those are situationally punishing
in some cases, they are free
dash movement loss would be universally punishing
and never free
manic bobcat
looking at you Hidden Chamber reward right before boss
terse geyser
as far as I can tell they're meant to force you to alter your playstyle slightly
avoiding an attack is possible.
Not being able to move at all would destroy you
manic bobcat
I agreed. If you notice there is penalties for cast special attack
But none for dashing
terse geyser
and if you're feeling extra spicy, you can actually just attack anyways. chaos debuffs don't kill you directly, but a dash-speed debuff would.
sage marten
oh wow, i'm getting downvoted to hell lmao
terse geyser
it is, as you said, an unpopular opinion
low fiber
i mean, you started it off with knowing it would be unpopular, so it's not surprising
and i think i gave a fairly good reason why it's not quite as simple as you make it out to be
manic bobcat
Don't take it personal, really
sage marten
yeah but i expected at least an upboat
sad times
twilit burrow
see the thing is
The game knows and functions in a very fast way
It knows you like to go fast
terse geyser
it's similar to the complaint with spreadfire, except It would become the one option that you can NEVER choose
twilit burrow
the sloth curse makes you slow so normal movement becomes urneliable AND really boring
low fiber
ultimately, that's a developer decision as to what they want chaos to do and for all we know, they may agree
twilit burrow
if you also take away the sprint
manic bobcat
Yeah agreed Luvil
twilit burrow
It wouldn't be 4 rooms of "oh man this is a little more challenging" it's just "UGH when does this end"
manic bobcat
I won't sacrifice my mobility for most anything
terse geyser
yeah but i expected at least an upboat
sad times
@sage marten styxbot has you covered. styxbot's upvote counts, right?
manic bobcat
Dashing is my fav part of this game
twilit burrow
I like picking sloth detriment, I don't mind it
but I don;t mind it because I can still dash
Depending on setup, if it affected dash you'd have NO FAIR WAY to escape some things
sage marten
yeah, that was basically my main point
dashes being unaffected make slothful have no downsides at all
flat vapor
ok
sage marten
it's non-noticeable, dashes have an inexistant cooldown
low fiber
i consider traps being no downside
sage marten
you can start dashing again as soon as your last dash ends
twilit burrow
Unless you have Athena, dashing is not a "fix all" button
flat vapor
you could say that, since specials exist, being hurt while attacking has no downsides at all
low fiber
i consider attack or special being no downside if i have a decent damage other option
bright python
If it was non-noticeable, ruthless reflex would be strictly better
flat vapor
mitigation of the downside doesn't make it nonexistent, not being able to move as fast can hurt me in various ways
terse geyser
Move speed is often vital for accurate positioning, you want to be exactly in the right spot for most melee builds
low fiber
like i said, there's difference between situational downside vs universal downside
bright python
When you're dashing into a trap or lava on accident, that dash cooldown is absolutely noticable
Always what @terse geyser said, there's a lot more to movement than just going fast, micro positioning is key for a lot of a builds
terse geyser
At one point I actually took about 20 damage from EM2's lava streams because I ran out of dashes with slothful active
twilit burrow
ouch
flat vapor
and regardless, affecting the dash length is exceedingly punishing, which is what makes serrated edge so risky
twilit burrow
Oh yeah I was about to point that out
When I got the upgrade for the lance that affected dash length
I felt like I shot myself in the foot
The double dash attack was REALLY POWERFUL but I honestly felt so much more vunlerable
flat vapor
(affecting the dash negatively at all makes it very punishing, which is why the previous dash-dedicated chaos curse was cut from the game entirely)
bright python
I'll never really understand when people try to suggest nerfs. It's a single player game, stuff should only be nerfed if some build was consistent and a dev oversight.
bright python
Anyways to change the subject, I wish Guan didn't take away your health, I'd actually use it.
Even if it meant taking the life steal
but keeping it otherwise the same
It definitely feels interesting in chamber fights, playing a slower playstyle and trying to kite with spin attacks.
But then you get to the bosses and unless it's pre-extreme measures Hydra, it's just straight up twice as hard
Meanwhile Achilles is like. Here let me give you a borderline gamebreaking damage buff for using a really good teleport
rugged glacier
I mean... usually I go Athena's Call with Guan Yu's aspect, and if I get low health in boss fights, I use the Call and safely lifesteal back
but if I get the Call late, or not at all, then yeah, it is fairly hard
bright python
Especially against hades
rugged glacier
I think you can still dash right after charging your spin, if you wanna try and lifesteal from a bigger distance
terse geyser
guan yu plus ice wine is very powerful; you can have three or more sources of damage active at the same time, and be regenerating health
bright python
I'm going to keep trying it eventually, but it does feel weird that Arthur gets a life buff with a heavy moveset and nice special and guan gets a life debuff with a heavy moveset and a nice special lol
terse geyser
with divine strike the spin makes you nigh invulnerable
special is high damage
it's all well worth the hp debuff
bright python
I mean the moveset is good, that's why I said I'd trade the lifesteal for regular health anyday
terse geyser
guan yu is much faster and lighter than truck
the difference is really that one is a tank and the other is a glass cannon
with guan yu you want to avoid damage, but your attacks are fast and powerful
with truck you are slow, but your attacks are powerful and you can take hits
the differences really make perfect sense
bright python
In theory, sure. There's just a big difference between fighting in chamber fights and boss fights.
Also Guan is really not mobile unless you got some Merc drip, but I understand what you mean, there's less lag.
terse geyser
guan yu has range, so you can avoid damage anyways
kill now, dodge when your enemies catch up to you
nimble ocean
taking away dash speed along with movement speed is like getting hit after main **and **special attack **and **cast
"suffer or die"
manic bobcat
I think we beat that horse to death 5 times over already :D
nimble ocean
23 times i believe
manic bobcat
Lul
dawn tangle
i would give or take 3 more
wind nest
No news on the june update today?
narrow hemlock
im sure they will update announcements once they have something to share.
if theres no new announcement, then no, chances are theres no news
wind nest
I'm sure it's not fun to say "Because of COVID, we need to delay the next update" but I would be 100 precent fine with that happening.
sage marten
lmao
i would not be surprised either aye
in all fairness it would be understandable, especially if they're on the UK
narrow hemlock
they were already working remotely before all the shutdowns really started to hit
sage marten
oh nice
wind nest
Yeah but even still, I know my own work is suffering lol
sage marten
glad to hear they were not hit hard by the pandemic
wind nest
like if they had to say "hey this 3 month time window is disrupted, and it might impact into next years content too". I think they should just say it. They have a huge cache of goodwill to work with
narrow hemlock
im sure if that were the case they would say so?
i mean all youre doing is making an assumption that theyre impacted by the pandemic, without knowing if they actually are or not
just wait for some news, its fine
the note that we would hear something at the end of the month was posted in announcements, so surely if anything comes up, it will also be posted there
chilly stump
Hey all! Our estimate is still June, as listed on the Hades launch menu. 👍 Though thank you for the wealth of patience! We are also still safe and sound.
sage marten
glad to hear that
on both accounts i guess since i don't know if i'm still going to have my contract halted by june
any estimates on which bit of june is it going to be released? early or late june?
chilly stump
Unfortunately I can't provide any further specification from that, just wanted to let you know the roadmap estimate stands. 👍
sage marten
gotcha
thanks for the info either way
chilly stump
Until we can say more, I'll just lovingly put my hand on the screen when the character preview shows up in the trailer from last update. 
My pleasure!
narrow hemlock
thanks for the heads up! i think the biggest thing is people just want to hear something from anyone on the team, so even just the reassurance everything is on track is good to hear
wind nest
Thanks for the info! Didn't have to answer because some rando is being impatient! Appreciate it though!
little ridge
I have a brilliant idea for a weapon but where can i post it
high island
#hades-feedback, but be aware they're not planning to add anymore weapons.
Read the pins in #hades-feedback to see how to post there.
high island
Avoiding feature creep, I would say. Release is planned for this year.
prime violet
any possibility of post-launch support?
vague frigate
any news about the june update? they said they'd report something before the end of the month and we only have 2 days left!
vast mantle
Hello. Helluva nice game. When update?
merry harbor
The devs talked about this about five messages above you.
Estimate's still in June.
vast mantle
k thanks
dawn tangle
would be nice to have some post-launch support
Supergigant games always leave you craving for more
that's how good they are all around
granite ether
@brisk trail (sorry for the ping), it's worth noting that Chaos is genderless and is always referred to by they/them/theirs
zealous lagoon
where would I go to if I want to post a bug?
obsidian pulsar
Press F10 in game
ancient frost
zealous lagoon
thanks
for anyone interested the bug was me selling a boon from hermes at a blood fountain and not getting any coins for it, it was heroic rarity and supposed to give 300ish...
void vigil
@zealous lagoon do you have a chaos curse that makes you not get any coins by any chance?
zealous lagoon
damn that could actually have been the case, if so that is my bad
rugged glacier
if he did, then it should be apparent in the screenshot sent with the bug report, so I guess it's not a big issue
void vigil
sorry about those coins :( yeah, the bug report is no big deal at all
rough token
It would actually be nice if those displays in the shop reflected how much gold you would actually get. But I know similar things have been brought up in feedback, so not gonna worry about it for now
twilit burrow
You mean from the shop you buy at for it to tell you how much you'd make if you sell it?
deep pivot
They meant the Pool of Purging.
twilit burrow
Right but the pool of purging already tells you how much gold you get
but I think I now get what they mean, to include bonuses/detriments
shut holly
what's with the different colors for boons? like in the world, sometimes they're bright and shiny, sometimes less so. what exactly does this denote?
sage marten
that the area has more or less illumination
shut holly
errr....so when buying boons at styx, some of them cost 450 which seems like a lot, but theyre always the 'shiny' kind - how is that different from the ones that cost 150?
narrow hemlock
yeah, the higher value boons will generally offer higher rarity than the cheaper boons
just like the more expensive poms give two upgrades
thats worded weird, i should say the more expensive poms will give a boon two levels instead of one. though now that ive typed that im doubting my memory lmao... 2 or 3? i think it was 2
either way point being the more expensive boons/poms offer you more for the price, generally speaking
daring hull
yeah it gives you two levels
quaint bramble
Yep. Gives you two levels therefore taking a lv.1 boon to lv. 3 etc. I think the 450 gold ones give you the same level of rewards as if you’d won them in an elite or miniboss fight. Usually that’s a better chance for upgraded boon rarity or doubled currency rewards.
patent topaz
Just had my first alternative fury fight
Man Tisiphone hits hard
Probably it was just the shock of seeing someone else but anyway i killed her
summer raft
I definitely find Meg to be the easiest
might just be because I have the most practice against her
dawn tangle
biggest shock for me was the whole
MURDEEEEEEERRRR
thing
I consider it a waste that she doesn't shout "Murmaider!" if you bring a poseidon blessing
pastel swift
So uh...I don't usually join Discords for individual games/devs, but I just bought Hades yesterday and holy hell (pun intended) this is the best roguelike I've ever played. Just wanted to stop in here and tell the Supergiant team that y'all knocked it out of the park with this game. Every game you've put out has been amazing, but this one is the best yet.
I'm telling all my friends to buy this as soon as it drops on console.
rugged glacier
@brisk trail hey there. yes, the hydra heads have different colors on the symbols on their forheads, that's how you know what each hydra does
also I'm replying to you here, because I don't think it's a good idea to start discussions in #hades-feedback
wind nest
pink hydra = shoots the pink waves
green hydra = makes minions
Purple hydra = makes fire pits.
dont' remember what the orange or red ones do
buoyant frigate
Headsmacker
granite ether
It's not just a bad idea, it's bad form Mircea, the channel is for posting feedback only and the pins clearly say this
sage marten
lernie protecc
lernie atacc
but most importantly
lernie triple headsmacc
rugged glacier
lol
patent topaz
wait no:
Yellow: headsmacc
Pink/purple: fire
Green: minions
Orange/red: waves
patent topaz
nope, but they all lunge
flat vapor
they all lunge
patent topaz
oop-
patent topaz
don't blame you man
wind nest
I thought they all lunged and headbonked
patent topaz
the only ones that head slam are the main one and the yellow/whiteish ones
narrow hemlock
@tepid yacht you need more practice against asterius, and tbh the solo fight is the best way to do that, without interference from theseus. theres no issue with the solo asterius fight, and a lot of times you can avoid it if you so choose. no need to remove the fight from elysium area
cobalt kettle
I think that maybe making it more obvious that asterious starts with lower hp might help?
Maybe some visual on his model or that he comments on being tired already
rugged glacier
I tought his HP was visible enough already
cobalt kettle
I know I didnt really notice the hp missing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
vast junco
a subtle visual indicator certainly couldn't hurt, for the sake of those little touches of run continuity
cobalt kettle
even beyond just being able to tell, just the fact that more attention is drawn to it might make it a little more satisfying
Like "hey, he really looks messed up from our last fight! I'm awesome!"
rugged glacier
I mean... you notice it once, and then you know he will always have less than 100% after you face him alone
cobalt kettle
and confidence can really help those kinds of situations where you're low on resources
rugged glacier
it's part of discovering all the details of the game... it's a journey
and it's not like you fail one run, youlose everything... you just try again and again, and each time you learn new stuff... that's the tematic of the game
cobalt kettle
true, but I think just a little bit of a nod to the previous fight would make it more impactful
vast junco
i'm approaching it as less of a mechanical knowledge perspective (which i also personally think is fine as it is) and more just as a small design flourish where it would simply be cool for asterius to be visibly tired to some extent
cobalt kettle
well yeah, obviously it's a roguelike. This is just a QoL improvement
vast junco
so it would also just help players understand that information more readily as well
rugged glacier
too much QoL can ruin the fun, if you ask me
vast junco
it's kind of about affecting asterius' health bar versus affecting him as a character within the run. the first is already present and is fitting for what you can do because of the miniboss encounter, but the latter is much fuller way to convey that information while also making it feel like the player had a direct impact on asterius as a bullman person
cobalt kettle
It's just tying the mechanic to the...character I guess?
vast junco
like bananaconda said before, it can make the player feel more confident or even boost morale more powerfully than just glancing at health alone
and noticing "ah, he's hurt i guess"
cobalt kettle
and yeah, confidence can work wonders when it comes to overcoming bad odds
rugged glacier
I'm not sure how this is going to sound but: it's a game about escaping hell... why would they make your enemies intentionally boost your morale?
well, not intentionally, but...
vast junco
asterius... isn't himself actively boosting your morale?
rugged glacier
well yeah, but he's being respectful towards you, not necesarily encouraging
vast junco
no yeah what i'm saying is
that's not really what i'm saying lol
it's the effect on him that can boost morale
cobalt kettle
It's not making asterius go easy on you, it's showing the player their actions did something
rugged glacier
well, yeah... I get that.... but I think I'd get bored very fast of having to hear him saying "Oh, I'm tired" or something like that all the time
cobalt kettle
not that you can't see any impact atm, it would just make it a little more obvious
vast junco
he wouldn't have to say it out loud lmao
cobalt kettle
well we did suggest a visual cue too
vast junco
just a subtle visual indicator
cobalt kettle
something like his clothes being a little roughed up or something along those lines
maybe him just giving a quick tired sigh before the fight, anything really
vast junco
and even if he did make a quip about it, it certainly wouldn't be as straightforward as "i'm tired"
cobalt kettle
I definitely understand wanting to avoid a quip, cause it would either repeat every time and get stale, or they'd have to come up with several...and they'd still get kinda stale eventually
vast junco
yeah, even with the huge amount of dialogue in the game, some variable lines can still get repetitive
but such is the nature of the game's loop
rugged glacier
I mean... his health bar is pretty subtle... if not everyone is picking it up is because they haven't noticed it yet... which they can learn to do in time... I get that some players would like to have a more clear indication of it... but I feel like his clothes would also be an indicator as subtle as his health bar, maybe... some people might not even notice that... sure, it might look cooler than just his health bar not being 100%, but...
cobalt kettle
but yeah, just a small visual cue to tie a game mechanic to being actually present to the character
vast junco
it's not just a question of subtlety though. like i was saying before, it's the UI/solely mechanics side versus incorporating that effect onto the character himself in some way
it's not at all necessary, but i just think it wouldn't hurt. it could be cool
rugged glacier
I mean.... It feels kind of unfair towards the other bosses tho... cuz if you do that for Asterius, then you'd also have to do it for other bosses when you drop them below a health percentage, or such
cobalt kettle
not really, as nothing else is like this particular situation
vast junco
no, not really. asterius is unique in that he has his own miniboss encounter that carries to the biome final fight
yeah
cobalt kettle
(not that I'd complain about that being present, bosses getting visually roughed up as you fight them is awesome. It's just a big ask)
rugged glacier
not really, as nothing else is like this particular situation
@cobalt kettle
||what about the last boss when you get past his first phase? he does kneel to the ground a bit||... just an example
well, to be fair, it's the only other example I could think of...
cobalt kettle
||(would saying that the final boss has multiple phases count as a spoiler?)||
In any case, that's a fairly unique situation too
vast junco
it's just that the context is different. as you fight a biome boss, of course their health going down is expected. with asterius having his injuries from the miniboss spar carry over to the biome boss fight, an extra cue to indicate this beyond just the UI would be a richer way to illustrate that unique situation
again, not that it is necessary or needed. mostly as a design flourish
rugged glacier
yeah ok, but... the whole point of that fight was to make it look unfair anyway (even the characters have dialogue about that)... in the end it's just you (the player) who have to get used to it... and with Theseus being as smug as he is, it makes it even more satisfying when you finally get to beat them
cobalt kettle
I don't think it would really detract from the satisfaction of victory anymore than the already present lower health mechanic does
vast junco
theseus being smug and stacking two opponents against you is not mutually exclusive with allowing for asterius to be more visibly affected with a previous encounter
rugged glacier
well, I guess it's fine... I just don't like the idea of making it too obvious that Asterius is bruised... some subtle visual thingie would be nice I guess, as long as it's not over the top (that's my take on it anyway)... this whole thing started because some people didn't notice his health bar... while I agree it's nice to have some continuity, I kinda feel like showing Asterius bruised and tired would seem a bit out of character for him (at least the tired part)
cobalt kettle
well yeah, he definitely doesn't need to be bleeding from the eyes or anything. Just a little worse for wear.
vast junco
yeah, we're not suggesting anything very obvious or extreme
just an extra touch to his character so it's not just the UI that conveys the events
rugged glacier
I mean... if you want my honest opinion, I still think it's unnecessary... and later on you might find people in feedback saying: "Why does Asterius get to have his look changed, but Hades doesn't?" etc. and stuff like that
vast junco
i very heavily doubt anyone would bring that point up except for you, to be totally honest
asterius is a unique case
as we've said before
cobalt kettle
I can't deny it would happen entirely, but it definitely seems unlikely
and it definitely is unnecessary, but we're saying it would still be an improvement, however slight
sage marten
what did i miss and why are people saying nasty stuff about my boy asterius
rugged glacier
i very heavily doubt anyone would bring that point up except for you, to be totally honest
@vast junco I didn't mean they'd react JUST like "Why does Asterius get to have his look changed, but Hades doesn't?"... they could be talking about other bosses
vast junco
i still don't think it's relevant because none of the other bosses share the same cross-encounter health system as asterius, which is why we suggested the flourish at all
cobalt kettle
@sage marten we're discussing the feedback about fighting asterius before the thesius fight
granite ether
For the same reason we won't see skins for zag, is the same reason why we won't likely see any visual change to asterius upon fighting him as a miniboss
Way too much work for what is a small detail
rugged glacier
asterius is a unique case
@vast junco it's not about Asterius's condition, it's about the change itself.. it sets a precedent
sage marten
oh
why not avoid his room altogether? it's the max danger one so it's not like he'll catch you by surprise when you find him
vast junco
yeah, all the images for every animation
cobalt kettle
Tailesque and I suggested a small indicator to asterius to show he is a little worse for wear after fighting him
and yeah, I understand that completely aggy
vast junco
but we also haven't said it has to be strictly a cue affecting his form itself
sage marten
that does sound like a bit too much work seeing how animations in the game work
vast junco
could also be a particle effect of labored breath, or quips, etc.
and i know we've said it many times, but we aren't expecting it really
cobalt kettle
Yeah, my bad on specifically saying it was a visual cue there
vast junco
just talking about how it would be cool
sage marten
i mean
his hp bar starting at three quarters does show he's a bit worse for wear
cobalt kettle
true, but he as a character doesn't show that is our point
vast junco
the discussion was about conveying that in a more impactful way beyond the ui
cobalt kettle
it's not about making it more obvious mechanics wise (although it kinda started that way), it's more about tying the mechanic to the character
vast junco
could even just be present for the opening conversation between the duo and zag. wouldn't have to necessarily be applied throughout the fight itself
cobalt kettle
A little sigh before the fight starts, for example
rugged glacier
The sigh might get annoying to hear all the time, but if you wanna talk about visual effects... you started with saying maybe his clothes could be more messed up... now I was thinking maybe his axe could look more chipped (that would be subtle)... just an idea that came in my head now
cobalt kettle
anything would be cool, but as we've heard, they are avoiding any model changes for the time being due to having to animate the model multiple times
So a model change is out, a dialogue line is unlikely cause it would get stale quickly, the only likely thing that would come of it is something like the sigh
still tiger
Unless it was just dialogue the first / second time it happened to help you notice the HP bar change?
cobalt kettle
Ooh, maybe
still tiger
more like a verbal one-time tooltip, so it wouldn't get tiring to hear all the time. But I definitely didn't notice the HP change until I was told here
cobalt kettle
Same, tbh
still tiger
yeah, not as obvious as "look at my HP" but maybe something more like "You think you tired me out earlier? You ain't so lucky, I've still got plenty of life in me!"
shut holly
darn, i was hoping support fire would synergize with blitz shield, but the arrow only fires once rather than once per hit
still tiger
Yeah, that probably needs clarifying somewhere
shut holly
zeus zap goes once per hit, so seemed like artemis would too
still tiger
Yeah i wish the zeus one had been clarifed too. I had a hammer upgrade on uhh I think it was the rail and had hoped that zeus bolt would have multiple bolts. Alas, no luck
Live and learn I suppose. Or die and learn, whatever
shut holly
mostly live. just got to minotaur and did 30% of his health bar in one special
limpid crown
i just finished the game and I felt so good until I saw that you can add heat and I immediately cried
rugged glacier
zeus zap goes once per hit, so seemed like artemis would too
@shut holly you think Supergiant might change support fire to work like that too (if someone puts it in feedback, I mean)? Seems like a decent buff
shut holly
shrug, it would be cool though 🙂
cobalt kettle
@limpid crown take it at your own pace. It doesnt matter how challenging it is, it matters how much fun you're having
summer raft
Addicted to this game. Should be working. Keep thinking "one more chamber" till it's 45 mins later and I've completed a run (for better or worse)
wind nest
@limpid crown you have 2 choices. 1 stop playing until the 1.0 release happens. 2, earn the rewards for going all the way to 32 heat
Either is a good choice imo
vestal rapids
Any news about the next Hades update? We were supposed to get a preview this month, yes?
high island
Caitlin addressed that yesterday: https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520429929721233464/715339658636165221
rugged glacier
Addicted to this game. Should be working. Keep thinking "one more chamber" till it's 45 mins later and I've completed a run (for better or worse)
@summer raft I'm in the same situation, lol
vestal rapids
@high island thanks!
narrow hemlock
@high island im on my way to bed but @ your feedback, you have meg at high affinity yeah? some of meg's lines at high affinity imply that she starts treating the fights as more of a game rather than the high tension struggle you experience at low affinity. maybe zag could say smth diff but when you're both immortal and repairing your relationship but still gotta fight, it's not unreasonable to think you start treating it as smth more positive, like training or whatever. even at low affinity zag has lines about how he just wanted to prove himself to meg in their battles
too bad alecto and tisi will never let zag off easy lol
high island
I've maxed out affinity awhile ago, yes.
summer raft
how do I get added to the feedback channel?
summer raft
thanks!
fathom creek
?help
merry harbor
@fathom creek That's reaaally not what feedback is for, but the next update is mainly focusing on engine updates so it can eventually work on other platforms and optimization.
sharp parcel
you have performance issues in Elysium? I only have problems in Asphodel, especially the very first room, with the vista
bright python
I understand that they addressed the timeline, but I kind of wanted some hints and previews of cool stuff to be hype about, not just a 'yup still working'
But I guess that's better than nothing
narrow hemlock
the march update trailer literally lists stuff coming next month
sgg isn't like other devs that are constantly teasing upcoming content, they largely just drop off some information after an update, like in the trailer or in the in game roadmap, and for the most part that's it. so if you're expecting constant hints and stuff, that's not happening
if you want more specific information than this you're just going to have to wait until the update bc that's not how sgg operates https://gyazo.com/7f1df5beef28a849cdd59dbe6d0905b9
tawny crater
How many runs i need to get the darkness needed to have mirror perks on max?
daring hull
well i have more than a hundred and i haven't maxed all
sharp parcel
I have over 300 hours and my mirror isn't maxed
tawny crater
i have 90-100, and 25 was focusing on boons of chaos and poseidon and i don't even have the chtonic perks maxed...
sharp parcel
the bottom talent is basically a darkness sink
tawny crater
pretty much
quaint bramble
Hard to say. It’s pretty easy to farm somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500 darkness in some runs with upgrades and going full Poseidon farm build, so that will speed the process up significantly. Maxing all mirror talents would take hundreds of hours, because the last few are meant to take forever and hog darkness. Maxing all the really gameplay-altering talents took me maybe 50-60ish hours? That essentially excludes the persuasion stuff etc.
manic bobcat
I rotate for Dark Thirst buff, take Darkness at everyturn, buy Darkness from shop et etc
I'm like 120 runs in with every maxed both sides except for the bottom tier with 7 Authority rolls and 3(?) Persuasion rolls
But that ||Nyx quest|| will have to wait a little longer.
tawny crater
like i don't understand why a player with 300hours and don't have all maxed perks...
manic bobcat
I mean depends on what you mean by maxed
You certainly don't need all them Fate rolls to reliably make runs
UnseenOak said 50 60 hours he/she had gameplay crucial stuff maxed
Which is in the ballpark of my experience too.
100% this game is indeed a grind
But 100% anything is
tawny crater
im winning 4000-5000 with poseidon and chaos, buying every darkness i can
quaint bramble
I have ||that quest|| farmed but like no persuasion beyond the base levels. Plus the last levels are so expensive they just feel like a placeholder until a better system gets implemented.
high island
Fated Persuasion and Fated Authority become very important on very high heat.
manic bobcat
Yes. But by the game design, you don't really need to go above 20 heat
high island
Having 0 vs 3 Persuasion can make a big difference.
tawny crater
i it's a grind game, but i feel like is a bit too much
high island
Yeah, that's like well above 20 heat. Up to 20 heat, Persuasion/Authority help certainly but are not required to consistently clear.
manic bobcat
I get from a completionist stand point, it's rough
But from a gameplay stand point, I'm OK ish with it.
Not gonna complain if they give us more darkness though
high island
Well, by the time you get every weapon to 20 Heat, you'll be a whole lot closer to maxing out the mirror.
I've never spent any time deliberately farming Darkness, and I've cleared 32 heat. Just FYI.
quaint bramble
Honestly I would never want to play this game from a grind perspective. The story and builds are my thing, even if I’m on low heat so far.
manic bobcat
Some quests should not cost so much though
Gameplay and story aspects should not be locked after a semi big grindwall
high island
I don't mind. Gives me something to work towards even after ~180 hours of playtime.
manic bobcat
||looking at you Nyx quest||
high island
Or look forward to.
floral shore
The thing Fox mentioned does take like a fairly ludicrous amount though.
tawny crater
I want to grind the pact with all max lvl perks, i already made most of quests and nyx quest too
manic bobcat
Pick routine inspection for the Pact and worry about none of that :D
high island
What's the highest heat you've done?
high island
Ahh. Yeah, just keep going up with heat and get more bounties etc. Get experience with the different pacts.
tawny crater
currently was grinding
prophecies with poseidon and chaos boons, and maxing keepsakes
high island
That's good. Maxed out keepsakes are really useful.
manic bobcat
Does higher heat give extra Darkness bonus?
high island
(Except Poseidon's. Mine is stil level 2 lol.)
No, it doesn't.
Just do FO2 EM2 if you want to farm Darkness fast. Though I don't think it's necessary to do that.
manic bobcat
Fastest way to farm is crank the heat to 9(?) with FO2 and EM2
Oh hey that's my line
high island
You'll farm Darkness naturally later by failing 32 heat over and over again until you make it (and get Darkness as your reward).
tawny crater
what is FO2 and EM2?
high island
Forced Overtime 2 and Extreme Measures 2.
tawny crater
ok
high island
FO2 makes the game a lot harder because enemies are a lot faster, but they also spawn a lot faster. So if you can clear that consistently, it will be faster than without that pact.
Because you're spending less time waiting for spawns.
low fiber
A lot faster might be exaggerating