I mean we are talking about greek myth, it's origins and the revelancy that it has in comparision to other myths
#h1-discussion
sour dust
I love greek myth as the next guy, hades is lovely and i like how it incoperates elements from other cultures but
narrow hemlock
yeah but this topic very quickly devolves into a larger generalized topic that's not related to the game
It's fascinating but it's off topic
sour dust
apologies, then
high island
Not really seeing a problem. Anyway, I'm eagerly awaiting that performance update next month. I want to play without at least 1-2 mini freezes every run.
acoustic sand
we can debate in #off-topic-discussion , i really like the mythological aspect anyway
manic bobcat
Also on topic, does anyone else have really bad frame rate when stepping on the smoke area in Asphodel?
Like the cracks on the ground that blur visions
broken vault
sometimes
high island
I think that's one of the mini-freezes I can sometimes get. Not always, though.
narrow hemlock
I feel like I've seen this come up in feedback before but I haven't lurked it in a while
high island
Ellis wrote in #h1-tech-support that they're aware of the "on-hit freeze".
narrow hemlock
Was that the smoke or was that related to weps?
I thought the on hit was the brief freeze on attacks
or I'm thinking of smth diff
high island
That was about taking damage. Possible the smoke fps drop behaves similar to that.
Pretty sure I've seen something about the smoke in #hades-feedback too not long ago, anyway.
I think at this point they're aware of all the major performance issues like that. I'm very hopeful for the next patch.
orchid zealot
got the bow that shoots your casts, and got the artemis cast boon
some things just belong together
orchid zealot
lmao, just four shot the minotaur. This game is wacky
acoustic sand
some people use the bow ? For real ?
lmao
its so satisfying to bash the mobs directly
i feel like the bow is complicated
:/
worthy egret
its fun to kite things
narrow ruin
Yeah the bow is my least favorite
worthy egret
my least favourite is spear
narrow ruin
sometimes it's effective, but it's just boring to use imo
cause you gotta shoot em from afar
even so, the spear is my least used lol
worthy egret
i actually enjoy the bow a lot
acoustic sand
I didn't want to come back use the blade cause i had already used it so much..then i saw it...the Darkness 20% bonus...
and here we go again
worthy egret
Stygius: SO YOU HANGING OUT WITH THE OTHER WEAPONS
You: STYGIUS ITS NOT WHAT YOU THINK
Stygius: I WONT HESITATE-
narrow ruin
Stygius best girl?
orchid zealot
I just use whatever has the darkness buff on it tbh
but I like ranged options, just cause I know when I have melee I get myself killed lol
elfin lake
I just got the game and only have access to stygius and now. I don't like bow so far. I die so fast
steep gyro
Bow takes a bit of getting used to
steep gyro
You don’t really need to always charge for the shot
elfin lake
Yeah, it was a pain during practice because I have such slow reflexes sometimes
steep gyro
I think sitting and charging takes too long to do most of the time, dash-attack charges are more feasible
elfin lake
True
orchid zealot
although
one of the hammer upgrades removes the charge altogether
gives you just a regular attack which might be better
narrow ruin
yeah i did get that
orchid zealot
Try to get Hunter Dash is all you have to say lol
narrow ruin
but in general i dont like dash striking with the bow/gun
orchid zealot
always good
steep gyro
I’d say instead of fishing for charged attacks I’d just get the hit in and if you get the charge, it’s a bonus until you get used to the timing so you can do it consistently
orchid zealot
Dash striking with the gun is really nice since you get two quick shots out
had a run with the shotgun and +3 dashes, emptied the clip immediately but sure did a lot of damage
elfin lake
That's fair. I don't deal well with long range in any game so I'll probably play with the long range a bit and unlock them since im a perfectionist, but I'll still primarily stick with short range weapons
elfin lake
Like I'll range main in ONE game. Everything else? Nope
steep gyro
I’m weird cause I really like bow but rail is meh for me
worthy egret
gasp
steep gyro
Does shield count as a ranged weapon?? Only if you go for specials huh?
I don’t like shield either!
elfin lake
It honestly probably is because I'm a huge button masher lmao
worthy egret
in terms of weapons i love rail, bow and styg, im okay with the shield, and i SUCK with malphon and spear
steep gyro
Then rail might feel better for you, more mashy, less chargy when you unlock it!
worthy egret
i mean suck with any malphon that isnt talos
steep gyro
I have done only two fist runs
narrow ruin
the shield used to be my favorite and i used to hate malphon
now Malphon is my favorite
it's only great if you get the range upgrade though
worthy egret
but i do love the zag roar when using a charged demeter special it feels so strong and badass
elfin lake
That sounds fun
narrow ruin
I hate the Malphons' special though
elfin lake
I have tomorrow off from work, so I'll be playing all day after my video doctors appointment
narrow ruin
I rarely use it in a manner that's been useful for me
steep gyro
Nice \o/ more playtime is nice, I’m stuck studying for finals
elfin lake
Or well...I guess today technically as it's almost 4am
Oof finals. I dropped out in February
high island
Malphon doesn't need Long Knuckle to be good.
narrow ruin
I've been having a lot of responsibilities/uni work but ive just been playing Hades
elfin lake
Mood
acoustic sand
Zag be like, Ill YEET myself out thanks
high island
I'll often pass on Long Knuckle for the other attack upgrades.
Breaching Cross is obvious #1.
worthy egret
i love the malphon kick
its just so weird and funny
like a monster looks up and there is a flaming foot up in the air, laser focused, going for its face
HIKKU
high island
I don't use the special much with Malphon, attack and dash-strike are so good.
narrow ruin
I haven't found any upgrades for the Cutter to be good though
especially Quake Cutter
that was a waste of a daedalus
I think I wanna put feedback that it should be buffed
worthy egret
i just love the fact that the kick is a homing shot like you lock onto an enemy and jut nyOOM
what does quake cutter do?
havent used malphon in ages
high island
Nah, Quake Cutter is good. 40 base damage that scales with boons.
high island
I almost never use dash-upper anyway. Dash-strike is just better.
I mainly only use the uppercut when I want to keep some distance for some reason. The range on it is really good.
Using the uppercut with Demeter Aspect is . . . okay. My problem with it is that you need to attack 12 times to make use of it, which means you're going to attack a lot, which means you want to buff your attack and your main damage will probably come from that . . . at which point you might as well use Zag Aspect and focus fully on attack.
Maybe with Talos Aspect I will uppercut more. I still need a few more Titan Bloods to get that to Lv.5.
alpine yacht
I actually tried Demeter's aspect today and no doubt it feels lacking for my playstyle
Buffing both attack and special is harder than focusing on one
Then I went back to Zag and Zoom-zoomed it without noticing, coulda done it below 15mins if I noticed before the last boss
got 2x 100% bonus dmg to dash-strike from chaos / +1 DD / +hp
beautiful stuff
high island
I don't know if we can post victory screens here or keep that in #h1-builds-and-combat.
alpine yacht
I don't think we should care too much, doesn't harm anything or anyone 😄
solar trail
the deflect dash damage tho
feral summit
is there a way to check your bounties for each weapon
steady lantern
Yes, but you need to beat the final boss
alpine yacht
Can you be offered the same hammer twice if you did not take it the first time? Like, if I pick 1 upgrade from the hammer can one of the others show up?
sharp parcel
I'm confused as to what you're asking. You can get 2 hammers total over the course of a run.
alpine yacht
If the hammer offered me double-nova and i passed on it
can it show up in a later hammer?
steady lantern
He is asking if you can get the same upgrades on the 2nd hammer
sharp parcel
of course
alpine yacht
cheers 😉
sharp parcel
same with boons
alpine yacht
yea i wasn't sure
since u can't reroll hammers
ALRIGHT - confirmed it now
thanks zeppo
clever halo
Game froze visually, but it makes sounds if I attack or pause.
F5 didn't refresh. Ideas?
sharp parcel
alt f4?
cold zenith
Will this game get Turkish language support, i really wonder ? 15k+ lines nuts
red hinge
Is there a way to play a seeded run?
sharp parcel
@red hinge not yet
solemn spire
Does Nourished Soul stack with Cursed Sword? 😮
brave thicket
yes, but cursed sword heals for 2 and nourished sould doesnt give over 40% bonus, i think
clever prawn
Does Last Stand have an effect if I get it while still having full (3) Death Defiance?
sinful pine
just played hades for the first time
yea i can see myself sinking way too many hours into this
karmic laurel
I got my first win!!
sinful pine
karmic laurel
@solemn spire talking to me or?
sinful pine
the style the fighting feel responsive controls the soundtrack
solemn spire
It was to @brave thicket
Since 40% would be .8 and itd make it 2.8, does it go up to 3 per hit
brisk trail
It should round up to a whole number.
The math executes all invisibly and accurately until it needs a final damage number to display, then rounds accordingly.
solemn spire
I chose the level up boon per x encounters instead lol
But i will try it next time, only have a few hours in and cursed sword has carried me
So I'm doing some pact of punishments now, and it has come to me again.
Easiest for me with the starting sword
narrow ruin
wait you have access to pact of punishments only a few hours in?
spiral bloom
this is what l posted in steam, l dont know how often the devs will go on it and read it so l thought l come here and post
karmic laurel
How do I know when to reel in when I fish?
full forum
is this discussion section spoiler free,
karmic laurel
Probably?
proud charm
@karmic laurel there will be a large splash, not just a ripple.
alpine yacht
@karmic laurel - there's a 'bling' when it splashes
click fast and get a fat fish
click slow and get a small one
high island
Yeah, just focus on the flash. It's very obvious.
@spiral bloom the final boss is a spoiler. Spoilers are not allowed in this channel. You'll need to edit your message or delete it and post it in #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat instead.
spiral bloom
@high island changed it to gameplay. didnt think it was worthy enough to put on suggestions but still like you devs to read it and give me a response
high island
I'm not a dev lol. Just another player.
spiral bloom
also just re reading my post, l cant see that l was giving spoiler about final boss, maybe response to me about it
quartz rapids
is it possible to know where I can find the discord server banner?
modern garnet
solemn spire
@narrow ruin yeah i beat hades in about 10 hours or so
cursed sword carried the hell out of me lol
I think I had demeter chill too + extra dash from hermes + athena deflect dash so it was very very doable, and it ended up being a long fight since I had low damage
floral sinew
high island
The Steam sale brought in many new people who don't check pins. 
chilly stump
Steam sale or no, pins are missed for many reasons. 😄 Thanks for being patient with our new community members! 
clever halo
Half the pins in this channel are dad jokes. :p
narrow hemlock
people don't check the pinned threads in steam forum either rofl disc pins are easier to miss
acoustic sand
I DID IT ! my first full run !
digital gale
gureato daze
acoustic sand
i'm prouder than after I lost my virginity
also I was just trying to see if an aspect was good
and it took one hour lol
patent topaz
🎺 🎺 🎺
congrats!!
acoustic sand
I'm so happy Zag felt the need to boast after that, and that the NPCs ackowledge it
but it's terrifying, what can expect him after he did it ? 😮
haha thanks xD
cherry on pie, i also got Theseus jealous bc i talked about Heracles
patent topaz
I imagine that ||when he normally dies everything is as usual, when he dies because of the narrator at the end everyone carries him a la coffin dance||
Zagreus is his n°1 fanboy
manic bobcat
Zag can be killed by Redacted
acoustic sand
lmaooo
i laughed a lot with the ending line i got
it was like, ||ok you did it, but the story is not yet told, so lets suppose the Prince got "absolutely clobbered" (i quote) by his Father||
legit I'm so proud lol
you get invested in the story, so people mock you for your fails and you want to show them
crude trail
my favourite quote|| is a very small and very deadly beetle lands on him||
acoustic sand
also i laughed when Hades said ||"tell your mother...tell her the dog is ok"||
lmao can you have that ending Blamzite really ? that's brilliant xD
crude trail
yeah its the best ending
karmic laurel
How does Aspect of Chaos work?
Afet I do the bullrush
After*
No extra shields come out
acoustic sand
anyway i go back to the game :p
karmic laurel
I press Q
deep pivot
Use Bull Rush then use the Special. More shields should be flying about depending on the lv of the Aspect.
manic bobcat
Did you special after the rush?
manic bobcat
Even at level 1 there should be more than 1 that comes out?
deep pivot
I'm not sure if it's only 1 shield at lv 1. It has been a long time since I had it at that level...
high island
It should be 2-6 shields depending your level.
alpine yacht
it's 2-6, you need to actually RELEASE the bull-rush
And you need to not take damage I think
For whatever reason
quaint bramble
I’ve noticed that it can be a bit finicky when testing in the courtyard. I recall it throwing the extra shield (so 2 total) more clearly when you have more than one target instead of just Skelly.
deep pivot
You mean, take damage while charging the Bull Rush or afterwards?
alpine yacht
I'm not sure, probably while charging it 😄
karmic laurel
but I don't notice any extras shields
alpine yacht
Very weird
deep pivot
I never took damage while charging it so I have no clue if it's true or not
alpine yacht
It happens a lot to me
And then you lose the chaos-charged
Not sure if you lose it by taking damage AFTER you charge
deep pivot
But you can take damage after the buff is ready. It won't be removed.
alpine yacht
ok
high island
Err . . . I don't think taking damage has anything to do with it. I guess some attacks might interrupt the Bull Rush, though?
karmic laurel
I took the bull charge charges faster boon
quaint bramble
Also the game tells you if the next special will throw multiple shields with the little flickering fiery aura Zag gets after the bull rush. That might help OP test whether or not it works or is bugged etc
karmic laurel
That might be messing with it?
alpine yacht
No it shouldn't
Do one without enemies around
and see if 2 shields release
I only realized today that you can actually shoot the special while holding the bull-rush, which makes the shield way more viable as a defensive tool. I used to think you need to do the bull-rush then throw and repeat
Can't wait to experiment more with it now
Did heat 15 with Chaos today
Wanna try more moves with Zeus aspect
karmic laurel
But it seems like
alpine yacht
it has the most damage potential I feel
alpine yacht
nah
alpine yacht
i got to heat 15-20 with all weapons (except bow) using attack builds
bow is my weak link
heat 12 atm, using special only
or cast/dash builds
fists / shield / rail / sword are ALL good attack builds
spear can be very good with the right hammer
triple dash-attack
not sure about heat 32+
but up to heat 20 attack works on basically anything
manic bobcat
Apparently Zagreus and Dionysus can be the same person per certain version of Greek mythology.
I saw someone put forth this theory and it actually has some legitimacy lol.
narrow hemlock
It is one variation of a myth, yes
golden ember
Hello Supergiant and Supergiant fans! I am new to this discord server and wanted to provide some feedback for Hades gameplay. I just wanted to suggest that due to the isometric nature of the game, whenever Zagreus goes towards the right-most walls or bottom of the map he becomes hidden from player view. Could it be possible to create and option that the walls become transparent whenever Zagreus enters behind them? Thank you.
high island
Hi! That's something for #hades-feedback. Check the pinned messages there for permissions to post in that channel.
The devs make sure to read and discuss all the messages in #hades-feedback.
golden ember
@high island thank you, I wasn't very sure where to post it since I didnt have permission to post it there. Thank you.
high island
Sure thing!
acoustic sand
and welcome to the server !
vale yew
Alright so just got into playing the game (finally) and...it's amazing! But I can't figure out how to properly use Coronacht (only have the sword otherwise) and idk what the best way to build it is. I always feel like I'm doing peanuts for damage. Help?
narrow hemlock
I'd honestly advise you wait until you can unlock other aspects to it and just try other weps until then. I frankly hated bow until I tried out chiron/hera aspects, it requires a bit more playing around with to figure out what works best for you
vale yew
That makes sense to me. Sword fit pretty well with how I played but I hate not being able to figure out a weapon in any game lol
narrow hemlock
if you haven't beaten the final boss yet it's probably easier to just find a weapon you like and stick with it until you can start using titan blood in other aspects
weapons open up more once you're able to start farming up blood and really focus on builds
wind nest
@vale yew practice the perfect shots thats a good way to get started on the bow.
I generally started having some success with dash->charge shot repeat
Big downside is that you're very immobile playing this way
prisma bridge
9 hours into Hades and I'm really digging it
vale yew
Yeah I don't like standing in one place for perfect shots even though I recognize the importance of the damage boost. Especially in Hades it feels like if you're not on the move you're dead.
slim reef
First time I beat Hades was with the bow. I think I had explosive shot w/ Poseidon knockback and whichever hammer boosts your perfect shots. Was hitting groups for 700+. It's really just a huge playstyle change, kiting works very well. If you want to do great damage you need to nail perfect shots, doing this requires you stay far, far away from danger. I've also had success with the special, you can get right up in someone's face and blast them with all the hits.
brisk trail
Hey! I haven't played the game in more than a few months. Have the devs stated when they intend to release the full version?
acoustic sand
there's a new update coming in June
rugged glacier
yeah but it's not the last update
acoustic sand
i sure hope, i wish for the devs to add moooore and more delicious content
sage marten
next update ought to be b o a t
rugged glacier
they explicitly said the update in June will not be their last. you can read that in the game menu (the Next Major Update button in the lower right of the screen). So, no need to worry 😄
narrow hemlock
counting june update, my guess is we have about 3 updates or so before we can feasibly see 1.0, theres honestly still a lot of stuff to get done
but remember that is specifically my own guess, not based on anything official lmao
acoustic sand
we are blessed
rugged glacier
I'm actually ok if they'd take their time, don't care if v1.0 is late as long as it's good
I mean... it's good already, so I guess 'better' is the word
acoustic sand
it's already godlike
flat vapor
more 👏 athena 👏 lines 👏
rugged glacier
oh yeah, it would also be nice if we could hear some lines form Athena about Dusa
I didn't even think about that until now, lol
acoustic sand
i don't think they had a good relationship
flat vapor
i'm pretty sure zag doesn't fear his father's cruel legions anymore, athena 😔
rugged glacier
i don't think they had a good relationship
@acoustic sand exactly 😄
sage marten
We require
Moar ares lines
Seriously i think he’s the olympian with less interactions from what i’ve seen
solid cosmos
ares feels like the god with the most lines
narrow hemlock
uh hes got around like 115ish
let me double check the bot
lol or not, its down rn. but i recall in terms of lines, hypnos and ares have around the same number of lines, though ares has a bit more when adding in subtitle stuff like full call remarks and stuff. hypnos was around... 107-116 and ares was around 117-125
sage marten
huh
narrow hemlock
if anyones genuinely curious about the line count on gods i can make that a personal project over the weekend or smth since i like putting together useless bits of info lmao but im thinking the gods generally have about the same amount of content atm other than the ones who have expanded affection
green roost
Old to the server, first time playing Hades though. I honestly was having so much fun playing it that I forgot it's still in early access. It's a really gorgeous game already, and I absolutely love the music!
worldly tiger
Question: Do effects that improve attack damage also improve dash attack damage?
flat vapor
yes
brisk trail
Yes, but not the other way around.
flat vapor
dash attacks are just a subset of attacks, so most effects that refer to attack will also affect dash attacks
exceptions being the hammer and effects that specify dash attacks
worldly tiger
Thanks guys!
One more question: If I have bonus damage vs. undamaged enemies, are we including armor in this equation?
Or is it strictly health?
brisk trail
Armor.
south wraith
Does anyone think a multiplayer version could be viable?
brisk trail
If it were designed from the ground up for it.
But Hades was designed from the ground up for a singleplayer experience, so if we do get a SGG multiplayer roguelite it'll have to be their next game.
south wraith
while that is true, im sure the base game can be expanded to include maybe a co-op or even a multiplayer type pvp. Wishful thinking though
i just love the combat approach and the art style
brisk trail
I disagree.
remote lily
I dont think you will see multiplayer game from SGG soon. Its Indie studio and you need money to build servers etc. The only possible multiplayer could be local ( like pyre ).
brisk trail
You need to build a game with either SP or MP in-mind from the outset.
south wraith
im saying maybe not this game in particular
base game i should say
but it could be an expansion using similar assets
fallen violet
This run is actually stupid
south wraith
and it could be say a 1v1 type of multiplayer
remote lily
Btw what do you think about a mode where we fight vs waves of enemies, earning money for killing them and buying boons between waves.? Each wave more and more harder.?
Like charon give as 3 choices between these waves
fallen violet
shh
brisk trail
The second door in the House is Hades's chambers, right?
remote lily
I think yeach
brisk trail
It is.
remote lily
I suck with shield XD
brisk trail
It's got defense, nothing else has a mechanic to negate damage.
remote lily
so I can say no haha
south wraith
you can literally just power up and dash the whole way to hades
or if you have poseidan boons you can clear rooms instantly
to me its shield, bow, rail, fists, spear, sword in order of difficulty
or ease
to harder
orchid zealot
the shield is really good but I never seem to be able to clear with it
It's alot weaker with bosses I think
narrow hemlock
shield was like one of my first clears with the game
orchid zealot
I've cleared 3 times with railgun and once with bow
something tells me I'm not very good with melee
orchid zealot
probably just feedback
orchid zealot
read the pins
orchid zealot
it is weird, there are like 3 suggestion channels and two are basically archived, the one that works is read only until you jump through some hoops
fallen violet
Anyway I’m sure my idea isnt that good, I’ll save it for now
jolly lodge
had some suggestion not-exactly-abuse issues in the past, so it's locked so people read through them and upvote similar ideas instead of writing a new barely different idea, and don't post already refused ideas
fallen violet
Well how do I know someone has already said my idea
jolly lodge
you search in that channel for keywords
fallen violet
How do I do that
jolly lodge
in:channel before your keyword in discord for search in channel
fallen violet
When you defy it should like majorly knock back enemies so you don’t immediately take damage again
jolly lodge
in-game you can press f10 for a bug report with screenshot
fallen violet
I’m probs just dumb
orchid zealot
that said, they also don't want suggestions really, just want to know what problems you have so they can get a solution
fallen violet
Ah bet
jolly lodge
not really, they want suggestions
or at least wanted and requested them early on
that's how we can romance thanatos right now
or have fishing
orchid zealot
literally rule 5 is we don't want solutions
jolly lodge
solutions are for bugs, and that's with bug report function
oh you meant the channel of hades-feedback, that one is for feedback, it's not the suggestions channel, no
heavy parrot
they don't want solutions bc the game devs understand how to get you what you want then you do
they want problems so that they can solve them
high island
Rule 5 isn't they don't want solutions. It's that you shouldn't be discouraged from posting feedback if you don't have a solution.
It's perfectly fine to propose solutions.
heavy parrot
oh true i misread it
orchid zealot
more of a soft rule there I guess
wind nest
i just published my next mod. BonusDarknessLevels. It lets you spend darkness to temporary push pass the mirror of darkness's max cap. https://github.com/micriley/BonusDarknessLevels
Please check it out and let me know if it's fun
tropic panther
broken vault
minecraft
digital gale
While you hear a louder splash noise
ancient plank
what is the general loop for farming titans blood? just get ambrosia and then buy at shop?
trying to get some more aspects
digital gale
Pretty much
Also grinding Obol until you get at Styx, where the Charon may sell Blood at 1500
Not the quickest method but, yeah
paper coral
Sometimes you get a diamond
ancient plank
pretty new to the game so was just curious
anything I should be looking to unlock first?
digital gale
Also the Predictions kinda help a lot
paper coral
The list of minor prophecies?
digital gale
Yup
ancient plank
The list is nice. seems like a good way to get a boost in power when you finish those
I still havent beaten hades. got to him twice so far
paper coral
Also don't start on hell mode you loose out on some easy diamonds, bloods, and ambrosia
paper coral
I did
ancient plank
what is that??
paper coral
Stuff for after beating hades
digital gale
I don't think you'll need to rush about the new weapons, you have a ton of stuff to get damage from already
ancient plank
I really like the spear
paper coral
Achillies spear is supposed to be good at casting
digital gale
My first that actually got me into Hades for the firs time was Eris Rail
ancient plank
but the hammer upgrade that gives you the misle is nice
paper coral
The 3 special one is good too
digital gale
The best one is the one that gives you 3 bombs. Trust me
digital gale
Haha rifle go brrrrr
ancient plank
havent seen that option yet
but I got the 18 rounds once and just BRRRRR
you cant level up hammer right?
digital gale
Yup
ancient plank
would be broken probably haha
digital gale
Unfortunately
ancient plank
the sword aspect where you crit after special is also fun
digital gale
I kinda wanted to add a option to reroll the hammer options
ancient plank
what keepsakes do you guys usually use? Tooth seems good but like only gives an advantage when you die (which I do a lot haha)
paper coral
I usually switch to that in the last level
digital gale
Mostly chaos egg and tooth, yes
paper coral
I tend to use the god keepsakes
ancient plank
ok glad I wasnt just a gigabrain and thought that was good
digital gale
Also the plume, it really helps
ancient plank
last stage seems best for tooth
like the ones the get you the specific boon?
wasnt sure if those were worth
digital gale
3 extra lives > Lucky Tooth > Chaos Legendary Boon
I HAVE ACHIEVED REVIVAL
Well some of them are fine in case you are trying to deepen relatioships with them
That's how i (kinda) maxed Artemis first
ancient plank
Do the relationships offer benefits to the buffs?
digital gale
Not at all
digital gale
Pretty much
paper coral
Not yet at least
tropic panther
any plans to add antetokounmpo?
digital gale
Nice
ancient plank
The one where toy get less HP but gain gain 2 on hit is absolutely gas
paper coral
Cursed blade?
ancient plank
yeee
paper coral
The spear has an aspect with that built in
Cuts down your health mighty fierce in exchange
digital gale
I dont like this upgrade at all
You get one-shotted far too easily
ancient plank
I got that one with furry slash and it was fun
just jumping around and gaining HP back
paper coral
True
digital gale
The one build that carried me i.to escape was the Wave Slash or something, plus the upgrade that can hold the attack button to do a multitude of slashes
Kinda felt like Exalted Blade from Warframe lol
daring flame
yay finally made a clear, after more than 20 hours 🥳
alpine yacht
I only now noticed there's a note 'playing with a controller recommended' -- how come that's a thing? I played with both now and as a keyboard user most of my life I don't get the preference 😄
orchid zealot
I switched to controller cause its just easier to have all the buttons close together
I can just spam X and square for instant dash strikes
nimble ocean
all my life before 2016 i played with mouse and keyboard, even platformers and fightings. but now, since i've tried Hades with controller, i can't play it with m&k. don't know why
aiming is difficult
although, you can't dash and then shoot in the opposite direction with controller..
nimble ocean
yeah.. so many buttons, but only 2 thumbs
high island
although, you can't dash and then shoot in the opposite direction with controller..
You can, but you have to be quick.
quartz rapids
my thums are tired after a run
karmic laurel
Which Aspect is the best for the spear?
sage marten
Yo, Hiss, didja win?
clever halo
I'm glad friendly fire is off. Cluster Bomb would be the worst ability ever elsewise.
novel wasp
how is Cluster bomb the worst upgrade
that should go to Hazard Bomb and i mean even without the friendly fire
it sucks because the best part of bomb is long range engagement
mortal palm
Hazard bomb on Eris 
novel wasp
and hazard bomb removes that, and makes it like worse version of sword nova
eris is underwhelming
so much to just get a bonus damage
mortal palm
Hazard bomb has neat interaction with other hammer upgrades tbh for all except Eris. The damage is minimal.
novel wasp
that is overshadowed by hestia, or being overwhelmed by zag's spam
eris is just eh
the Ehris
novel wasp
that is something hestia could do with one bullet reload
mortal palm
(for PoE terms from what I know of the system)
i would like to see hestia do that with a special or cast
novel wasp
the thing is, hestia dont need as much effort and slower than eris to do stuff like that
yet, get so much damage in the process, and its one 150 damage bullet
mortal palm
the empowered shot is also single target
novel wasp
so does eris' measly 16 damage
mortal palm
> 16 damage
i repeat
it's generic damage. Not like.... damage on the weapon.
not damage on attack or cast or whatever
damage
novel wasp
yes you are confusing yourself
with eris' buffed damage
that is 16 damage for one shot
meanwhile 150 damage could easily murder its way to level 3
mortal palm
Okay. There are tons of boons that apply flat damage which does not depend on the guns damage.
novel wasp
oh wow you are talking about boons apply flat damage
now thats gonna make eris into the grave
empowered shot can also being applied by those too
mortal palm
Yes. At the same... exact... damage. Except not, Eris is 60% better. :p
novel wasp
have you tried the weapon actually
the weapon sounds good on paper then you will see a lot of issues when it comes to trying it
mortal palm
yes actually, eris is quite popular and eris is one of my favorite gun aspects
also i like all the gun aspects
novel wasp
not sure whats your source but hestia is a lot more popular from what i heard
im lowkey enjoying zag for being able to just spam but not everyone liek that and i understand
mortal palm
Depends on what you're talking about. Hestia is extremely costly on blood compared to Eris. And the condition of "hit yourself with your special" is not particularly hard given the size of his special.
it's special? (do guns have genders)
novel wasp
also, that 60%+200% aphro shot aint gonna make more damage than the shot that already innate does 1500% damage lol
to be fair i dont blame you, aside from hestia, the rail does not like percentage damage that much
hence dionysus, zeus can still stand a chance in terms of dps output
mortal palm
Zeus attack primary: Flat damage. Dionysus poison: Flat damage. Artemis attack: Not actually flat damage, but attack bonus is low enough that the +60% still scales.
(even with +200% flat damage, you're still getting +20% more damage with it...)
novel wasp
yeah took all that effort
thats why its eh
when you have an easy way out
its underpowered ig?
mortal palm
"effort" okay so like. Getting a single boon from Dionysus is not 'effort'.
novel wasp
also i played the game long enough to get all weapons to level 5
mortal palm
More effort would be posideon attack with the duo with Zeus for lightning bolts on every attack that scales with the +60% damage.
ok
novel wasp
basically means i tried all weapon, unless theres some new god boon coming in june could change the very stagnant rail boon choice, i would say if you really want damage, go hestia
i do say, i was wrong once about the possy sword because i enjoy memesis too much
but when cast build with it its pretty nuts
mortal palm
ya. And Eris is kinda jack of all trades. It does cast builds, it does special builds, it does attack builds, it does "i don't know what I'm going I just know I have boons and they do damage" builds.
brave thicket
never enjoyed nemesees
novel wasp
play it like default sword
mortal palm
heck do like, iunno. Ares blade rift dash build.
mortal palm
ya but eris is just +60% more damage for it
novel wasp
i feel like eris is just like too much effort edition of a default weapon
and not really special for its reward to be this underwhelming
mortal palm
I do not see how it is effort to be roughly in the radius of a ten mile wide special with a 'ranged' weapon that is close to melee anyway in terms of range without upgrades.
novel wasp
bomb is mega clunky what can i say
thats the second thing i hate about the rail to be fair
mortal palm
I agree the special takes time to get used to, yes.
mortal palm
(personally I find spear special clunkier)
mortal palm
ya meanwhile you hammer the dash and attack button together and entire screen is dead 
novel wasp
use it as an initiator or a finisher of a combo, do not spam it
infact a lot of the specials in this game does not like you spam repeatably it
it has long delay
I use it alot in order to abuse my priv status
mortal palm
Eh. Depends on the weapon. Dash cancels are in the game, I don't remember which weapons in the game have them off the top of my head.
novel wasp
also let dio actually work for once by putting it on my special
mortal palm
dionysus is pretty good on adamant rail primary attack :X
novel wasp
yes
mortal palm
or any fast hitting attack, really
brave thicket
chaos shield?
mortal palm
the damage is lower but not significantly so, and the scaling is (generally) +1 damage a tick anyway)
novel wasp
i honestly have a grudge with dio for how easy i get the damage stack to max and it deals. tickle
mortal palm
Spear has a fast hitting attack as well. Bow(with twin shot, although hammer dependant, and special shotgunning is more efficient). Shield attack, surprisingly enough, twin attack is pretty easy to get.
mortal palm
Epic is 60 damage a second before poms, scaling at +10 damage a pom.
(also Eris boosts that :v)
novel wasp
if I could get away by not using my special on this weapon, i will
mortal palm
Like... 70 damage if you can apply weak and the duo I think?
novel wasp
you mean the 7 stack?
boi thats even sadder
again, a lot of effort to finally bring the damage to the table :v
mortal palm
oh sorry 9 stack, so 75 damage a second
i mean it's 60 damage with a single boon sooooo
novel wasp
8 stack
i like how we got the numbers wrong xd
its almost like duo isnt that good to begin with cough
mortal palm
math comes out to the damage listed being multiplied by 8 to get the flat damage added an attack(technically) and eh i just woke up it's 8am
4 poms amps that to 10 damage a tick, that's about 80 extra damage an attack. Means the rail does 90 damage a shot 
which is further boosted by generic damage effects
novel wasp
also I proceed to no u an enemy with my 150*2 damage
Aphrodite attack enpowered shot
and do it under 2 seconds to do it again
mortal palm
privileged status or family thing, damage boost of your choice. I like ruthless, that's another +50%.
novel wasp
Lol you have to bring out every single stat that I also can apply but i decide didnt, to actually level with the single damage that was being boosted, by 1 boon
mortal palm
it's also better AOE and doesn't overkill by a wide margin on most enemies :v like, dio can carry builds
novel wasp
if you juan trick in any god it can be a carry build, not a big surprise
except zeus, zeus even one tricking it it still sucks ass
mortal palm
he seems weak at first honestly but he's got a significant amount of really good value picks(life on nectar, duo with posideon is like legit basically the best duo in the game in the first area)
and like no legit dionysus does decent damage even without anything but a single boon. :x
unless you like, iunno, try to do the hangover on a slow attack like adamant rail special lol
novel wasp
Lol
mortal palm
that can work with cluster, I suppose, but
novel wasp
spammin that thing is equivalent to me hanging
sorry, no suicide joke here.
ahem, i still will not use that damn thing also if i go cluster
it will be a special build
safe quartz
still haven't gotten cluster and triple shot
novel wasp
which i tried but i take cluster rocket lol
and i still dont need dio to actually do maximum damage
mortal palm
I'm not sure the two of those are allowed together. Hmm.
novel wasp
cluster rocket can be a thing
mortal palm
cluster rocket yes
novel wasp
and you say you are good with rail
mortal palm
i've done it, it's weird and I'm not sure I like it
harder with eris too because you have to be in rocket splash zone
mortal palm
oddly most fun hestia build I've had is Demeter with Delta Chamber. who knew that never having to reload with the gun you want to always reload is pretty fun
(also language)
novel wasp
also demeter is the better dio
if you reaaaally want the damage
she got the damage, she got the support covered
mortal palm
@safe quartz according to the wiki, getting triple bomb prohibits both cluster bomb and hazard bomb
novel wasp
one tricking her is by far the most successful, i have a footage of me pure demeter run the game
mortal palm
demeter doesn't have the damage over time aside from the second boon(that you don't like because you have to 'work so hard for it')
mortal palm
She is (mostly) pretty selfish however, yes. Aside from her duo with Posideon having legit the highest damage in the entire game.
novel wasp
hue
mortal palm
(ironically, probably would do the most damage with Eris due to the +60% damage boost)
novel wasp
you sounded like that 60% is gonna do much but ok
safe quartz
rip
novel wasp
you do you
¯_(ツ)_/¯
you need so many things to get that 60% is just painful to watch
safe quartz
oh well, i'd rather have trips + hermes special speed
mortal palm
you don't have to hate the special that much lol
like it's not a big arduous task to just go "oh hey I hit myself with my special. once. every 8 seconds"
it's frequently done by accident
novel wasp
bold of you to assume i didnt actually tried to utilize eris
mortal palm
i'm not assuming anything
novel wasp
which i did and im not very happy with it
mortal palm
i'm just saying that once you get used to the special delay, it is frankly not that hard IMO
you shoot it roughly where you're gonna be in the next 2 seconds
you spend more time with Hestia reloading
mortal palm
(it's also legit crazy strong in the first area due to the heads it can oneshot)
novel wasp
so special has use for once but it doesnt really use for what it does
it is also known fact that hestia can do the exact same thing, from first to second area lmfao
mortal palm
nah hestia sucks in the first area
"neat there's a ton of enemies lemme one shot them" kills one, reloads
kills a second one, reloads
novel wasp
lol
you sound like people are like robots that only able to execute one command
of course you can shoot some and then reload
mortal palm
yeah but then why the hestia instead of like, iunno, eris ;v
novel wasp
man. you sure try very hard to justify eris, but i must go now
also eris can go into wastebin until reworked thank you for coming to my ted talk
mortal palm
Hestia just lacks AOE without upgrades that's just kinda it
tepid yacht
Hey friends, let’s be nice about each other’s playstyles. Everyone plays differently.
novel wasp
sure
mortal palm
I think if you want just absolute genericness on damage, the Zag Bow is equivalent. +10% crit, which is effectively +20% more damage to everything if I am mathing right?
novel wasp
also to be fair
I want cluster triple
make that a thing i will buy 10 copies
also I learn how to use zag bow again after being so used to the chiron or the hera
it was okay, if upgraded ofc
but i love the other two can easily access to their power, in level 1
altho chiron is later level3, to be actually good
mortal palm
if you want screen shattering explosions, Zag/Eris Rail with posideon knockback and lightning bolt on knockback is great. Bonus points if you can get triple posideon special, along with Festive Fog with the zeus duo to shoot lightning into it.
Could not see a thing on my screen with that at all.
also everything instantly died, so kind of didn't need to lol
novel wasp
i will take zag instead
thanks
Also the only good part about dio is the non-hangover boon
mortal palm
i'm just stating okay, both of them are pretty effective :p the build would probably work well on spear too, especially with the triple hit dash
novel wasp
which is kinda suck because i really just want those, not the gimping your damage part
also when i say non-hangover, it includes festive fog
mortal palm
If you've got the bonus to duo chance, you can try and get Exclusive Access as your third boon too when you see Dionysus or Posideon pop up. every boon you get ever being epic is so great
novel wasp
which is a good cast, because i can be friend with my grandma more
I dont need epic boon to beat the game
mortal palm
it's fun tho :v
novel wasp
but sure they are fine, but again, sometimes i get the exclusive acess they are just so late to be here
mortal palm
chasing duos is super fun, so many fun unique effects like hunting blades
novel wasp
and its kinda pissing me off consider i have to invest both very underwhelming boon god without one tricking them, and thats 2 space just for 2 gods
mortal palm
hera bow with hunting blades: "imma spawn a ton of spinning blades on your face that do tons of damage"
novel wasp
you can only have 4 gods in the run, not include chaos and hermes
unless you do some manipulation which i heard it can go to all of them but thats gonna need some real finesse
mortal palm
er, that is not correct?
novel wasp
4 olympians, one hermes, one chaos
mortal palm
okay so near as I can tell: you've got a pool of maybe 4 gods at the start of the game. Getting a keepsake equipped adds that. So you can get a good collection of 6 gods if you equip a keepsake in area 2 and 3, having the coin purse for area 1 of course.
novel wasp
wrong. getting a keepsake will only guarantee you the next god you have in the next slot
if you already have 4 gods seated, the keepsake will no longer summon a new entire god
clever halo
I am liking Pulverising Blow + Lightning Strike.
novel wasp
and the only way to manipulate it to get more than 4, is to get no more than 4 after through elysium, which in styx the game will try to spawn new gods just wanting you to fill in the rest of them
and the 7 gods afaik, you have to get all of them in tartarus
mortal palm
Also that pool doesn't really care that you don't "like" the god or whatever. (i kind of wish some amount of influence over them was possible, like at least two of the gods from the start of the game)
novel wasp
like 1 boon from each god in tartar because once you got to more than 4 and finished tartar, you wont get a new one
mortal palm
and no I've had the pool shift before, although yeah the odds for it are not the most probable and you can probably only expect 2-3 boons from a 'forced' god
styx especially seems to have.... some kind of algorithm for deciding the gods? It's very weighted there, it seems.
novel wasp
... i literally explain to you
the game will keep rerolling the stats if they see you missing something
and styx just happens to be the last stage, and it is also heavily rerolled
for example, if you only get one hammer through elysium, one of the room in styx might get a hammer instead
mortal palm
Yeah, and I don't think that's correct. :p And I'm not sure what you mean 'stats'. Or 'rerolled'. Yes, the game does have various things and weights it assigns to boons.
novel wasp
basically it keeps track on you how many gods you have boons from, how many hammers
mortal palm
I am aware of that, yes. One guaranteed hammer in first two areas. One guaranteed hammer in third area. Hammers can spawn after that if you miss one of the guaranteed hammers.
novel wasp
and decide whatever it will spawn later
mortal palm
The god weighting I'm more unsure about. Styx seems to be generally seeded with two gods(unless you force something else) in the shops and a couple of the paths.
novel wasp
there can be a chance of 3 different gods
because you might just have 1 or 2 gods
also not entirely seeded with 2 gods, sometimes the shop and the path just give me one exact god and i call the director is sleeping during its job
mortal palm
But yeah forcing another god is pretty good and pretty much expected IMO to force a good duo. By the second area you (generally) know what the base god pool is and can pick their partner if you have the meta knowledge.
novel wasp
the manipulation of getting more than 4 is for the olympian legacy hue
the each one boon from a different god to get damage
but yes if you dont do any sort of manipulation such as holding only 1-3 gods. you generally will get 4, and the game will stop giving you new gods, even if you force a keepsake
as if god keepsakes arent strong enough already but that didnt stop us
mortal palm
i mean yeah again as far as I can tell: fixed pool. You get gods added to the pool by taking a keepsake. The chances are.... very weighted?
(i'm honestly not entirely sure how it's weighted, I've had ares in a pool before but because I never took him earlier his weighting seemed to be nonexistent for later levels)
boons also seem heavily weighted, but I don't know the logic for that either and honestly peeking at the scripts didn't help that much either
civic depot
Hey there guys,
Will the game be playable by one or two people in the future ? Would be realy fun
sharp parcel
I don't believe they have any plans for coop, even after the release.
the game's entirely designed around the single player experience
novel wasp
yeah
tho blue zag would be funny
@mortal palm you mean the god rarely appears even if in the pools?
tbh i feel like thats random game generator's work, i could never get to see artemis for a while even if i already had her as first god in pool in one game
sometimes the rng hates you, at least it doesnt punish you very hard for it because well, they will still appear
sharp parcel
sometimes you can't get rid of a god
come on, Ares, I just wanted Doom for the duo, I don't wanna see you in the 6 following rooms
high island
blue zag
. . .
sharp parcel
Blue Zag would be player 2, much cooler than regular Zag
void vigil
zag, the cooler zag
novel wasp
for some reason, 2 player game is just color coded
player 1 is always red, player 2 is always blue
vice versa sometimes
high island
Thanatos: Hey.
Zagreus: Yeah?
Than: You ever wonder why we’re here?
Zag: It's one of life's great mysteries isn't it? Why are we here? I mean, are we the product of some cosmic coincidence, or is there really a God watching everything? You know, with a plan for us and stuff. I don't know, man, but it keeps me up at night.
Than: ...What?! I mean why are we out here, in this canyon?
Zag: Oh. Uh... yeah.
Than: What was all that stuff about God?
Zag: Uh...hm? Nothing.
Than: You wanna talk about it?
Zag: No.
Than: You sure?
Zag: Yeah.
novel wasp
but you really cant run away from red and blue
unless the p1 is some random color that isnt red, or blue then yea
mortal palm
Based on experience, I feel like you roughly have two gods thirsting for your attention at any one time. This can shift over time, through reasons unknown to me. In part it's why the final area seems to prioritize two gods?
novel wasp
again, rng works
sharp parcel
there's definitely some kinda mechanism to it, as I recall one of the patches adjusting Styx god spawn rate
novel wasp
or maybe based on how many times have you seen them during a run
which can help you get you their legendary
so its not entirely a bad thing
sharp parcel
hell, sometimes I just get a bunch of poms
novel wasp
Lol yea i have one seed which i have like... 12 poms in one run
high island
Red vs Blue but with the cast from Hades.
novel wasp
all goes into my festive fog, the only boon
high island
Would watch that.
novel wasp
aw yea prepare for my Nuke fruit
also im still very sad the fact they reduce the styx tunnel from 6 to 5
olive stump
Hey, I've got some questions regarding some of the games questlines.
|| Most of all for the Sysiphus companion quest. Does anyone know what other prerequisites you need to meet to buy it after Hades told you that it's lost and you're free to look for it? Only video I've seen about it was with the old shot and the guy got that conversation with Hades and bought it from the shop right after he cyclesd through some other purchases. ||
high island
If your whole question is a spoiler, maybe just ask in #h1-story-discussion?
quartz rapids
I wonder if I could join the translation team
I don't want to get too spoiled
but at the same time I want to help
high island
Pin in #hades-localization says they're only looking for translators for Simplified Chinese now but not for any other languages.
wheat steppe
holy crap the hydra is so hard
safe quartz
hydra is really weak to ranged attacks
wheat steppe
I got to the last bit with the 5 other heads
then just got completely destroyed
using the stygian blade which feels sort of weak?
safe quartz
others might disagree but I think the blade is really strong, you just need to get familiar with all the boons so you know which ones to take
high island
Extreme Measures Hydra?
solar trail
is that a spoiler because im not big brain enough to comprehend what that means
high island
That's a no then. What's giving you trouble exactly?
solar trail
Im too small brain to dodge in melee range
and maybe dodge the Hyper spike attack flurry
basically i suffer when going melee range against the hydra
cant figure out the patterns
and the amount of hydra heads also add some pain
the slam seems to have a short window
wheat steppe
dodge deflect feels so good
solar trail
For me the dodging feels like sweepin a broom. smooth, but ya feel the friction and it feels grounded
no slip slip
high island
Get more dashes from Hermes.
solar trail
i had 5
safe quartz
w/ 5 dashes if it doesn't feel like you can dash infinitely then you're mashing too hard
solar trail
Man the lava is a pain for wave dashers tho
high island
6 dashes is the sweet spot.
Only because you can't get more. 
If you can make sure you take no damage when there's only one head, the rest will be a lot easier.
If you take damage when it's only one head, you're being too greedy.
wheat steppe
eryyy i got him
wheat steppe
yep, got 30hp and no money now though
had a pretty nice deflect dash + cast build, just unlocked all the cast stuff at the mirror and cast feels a lot better now
wheat steppe
aaaaand dead lol. There are a lot more traps in elysium eh
solar trail
whats the maximum cast amount
brave thicket
maybe 8? 9? depends on chaos boons and fully loaded
barren umbra
i don't use my casts often enough
narrow ruin
I always get artemis' cast and ignore the rest lol
wind nest
Only a few cast boons stick inside the enemies right? Which casts invalidate exit wounds?
quaint bramble
Dio, Demeter and Ares I believe
wind nest
Zeus and posideon cast I find good too.
Dionysus cast is an interesting aoe control but really slow
I haven't found a great use for aphrodites low range cast yet
quaint bramble
If you get it to move faster Dio’s is some of the best nuke damage you can get, plus it duos really well. Zeus’ I don’t really like on its own. Poseidon’s I do like on the first and last levels for wall slams
wind nest
Ive had the dio demeter duo that makes the cast insane lol.
quaint bramble
Yea it’s well loved around here. Aphrodite’s I like when I’m playing melee. Great damage/initiating move and it applies weak. Plus you’re already around to pick up the cast stones, for better or worse. It’s not as good with Stygian soul.
wind nest
Any other ways to speed up the dionysus cast though?
flat vapor
hera
quaint bramble
Hermes will usually do it mid-run. So can one of the Bow’s aspects.
wind nest
Ah sure I wasn't counting the bow since it's you know a level up in optimization.
quaint bramble
The Demeter duo makes it better and instant, Hermes can make it move faster with flurry cast, but mostly it takes some getting used to laying traps for enemies and leading them a bit with the AOE
wind nest
My one complaint with it is that it's too similar to the rail special
They move in similar ways. Not identically since the cast can bounce off walls
flat vapor
they use the same mechanics
karmic laurel
IF all my death defiances are full
patent topaz
Hey i'm starting the game for the first time (yep don't question why it took me so much...) and since in the gameplay channel another conversation is already going on can someone give me some advices please? I didn't want to start ignorant so i learned pretty much every mechanic but i suck at strategy and i want to hear people with more experience in general...
karmic laurel
And I buy the refresh
Does nothing happen?
@patent topaz Build a build centered around The Rail's Special
patent topaz
i don't know sorry-
high island
You cannot purchase Kiss of Styx when your DDs are full.
patent topaz
do i have to already have in mind the god i want to center it around?
karmic laurel
@patent topaz Artemis
Just stack crits and special dmg
And get the hammers
The spread upgrade is super good
and the slow or rocket is also really good
But if you get the spread upgrade its pretty much GG
patent topaz
Ok i'll keep that in mind when i unlock the rail thnx
Also if you pick kiss of styx from Pat it's useless if you're full
high island
It can show up as an option, but you cannot purchase it when your DDs are full.
karmic laurel
@high island If I have to choose between Chronos and the 2 boon rooms
high island
So you can't accidentally waste money on it.
karmic laurel
What do you suggest is more worth it
high island
The 2 Gods.
patent topaz
but what about something for like the start?
high island
You can't equip the shield on the first run.
karmic laurel
It isnt his first run?
Ahh it is
I'd go for the sword
And farm the keys
You pretty much can't win on your first try
high island
You don't get a lot of control over a run when you first start out. That comes later.
patent topaz
yeah i know lol just asked for beginner tips c: what about builds and boons?
karmic laurel
I mean you really can't aim for anything at the start
Especially since your boons will be common
Most of the time
I'd just play and see for the first few times
patent topaz
If that's so i'll keep the information for later, i'm just a donkey at strategy so that's why i'm begging for some crumbs of knowledge
high island
Don't step on traps, don't get hit.
patent topaz
But i guess it's just trial and error? The game pretty much revolves around trial and error ...
Don't worry, Zag will turn into cheese from how much traps i will make him fall into 😂
I actually had a couple of saves before just for trying and i already have a beef with the louts and pests
narrow hemlock
luv that hypnos refers to louts as slappy guys
wind nest
@patent topaz best advice I can give you is that every enemy has a predictable and deterministic ai pattern. I would try and actually isolate an enemy and practice learning it's attack pattern as much as possible. Dodge attacks is much more important than getting a strong "build", which mainly helps you with damage output. But if you get good at dodging attacks first, it'll get you 10 times farther than any kind of build strategy.
high island
At first it's really more important to learn enemy attack patterns and how your weapons behave, how movement works, etc. If you can't avoid unnecessary damage, builds don't matter.
patent topaz
The only reason i don't despise them with all my being is that they kiinda look like Dio
Ok so first i get comfortable with the enemies then i actually start working my way to the end
That makes sense but i'm pretty impatient so of course i already wanted to go big
high island
First learn how to not get hit, then learn how to kill as fast as possible, then learn how to kill as fast as possible without getting hit . . .
Basically.
patent topaz
Got it, thanks everyone ❤️
patent topaz
i'll report my first progress but for now i have to finish philosophy lol
Thanks i think i'll need a lot of that ahah
high island
Philosophy is great.
patent topaz
Yeah, when it's Plato but not Aristotle
I mean it's interesting but HOLY MOLY I GOT 18 PAGES
karmic laurel
Better than trying to find the domain of a problem with 3 absolute vlaues lol
shell sapphire
Can anyone authoritatively discuss what is going on with Hades and cloud saves on the Epic Games Store?
It was apparently being actively worked on in January. EGS claims it's supported as a platform feature at this stage. We're four months down the road.
Has any progress been made? I have multiple machines I'd like to play this across, and saves not syncing up is stopping me from doing so.
narrow hemlock
theyre working on it
if all goes well it will be implemented as part of next month's update
here's your proof directly from a dev https://gyazo.com/5380cb0d415bdf0779477550e36d8c40
shell sapphire
Thankyou! That would be amazing
narrow hemlock
he does note do not take it as a guarantee but yeah they've been working on it
shell sapphire
Still, just nice to know it's still coming along. I know it's minor in the grand scheme of things, but it's a convenience I really rely on
deep pivot
ѕнσυкαι somehow keeping important info at hand and remembering it when necessary 
narrow hemlock
i make frequent use of discord's search feature lmao
if i remember seeing a thing i can usually pull up the keywords to find it again
deep pivot
What a memory!
narrow hemlock
its not really good memory so much as its 'i think i saw a mention of this before, let me dig through search with certain phrases i recall and see if it pops up' my memory as a whole is generally godawful and only compounded with adhd issues rofl. search feature is a godsend for me
deep pivot
Still! Not many are naturals when it comes to recalling info 
winter river
What builds/weapon aspects have you all used for a blizzard shot build?
It's the only duo boon I haven't got yet. I've tried Zag aspect Rail, Chiron aspect Bow and Hera aspect Bow all with no success so far, all trying to build for a Demeter/Poseidon/Zeus triad combo
deep pivot
Blizzard Shot compensates Aspect of Chiron's lack of AoE damage so I try to get that if Poseidon-Demeter are in my run
alpine yacht
I think any cast build is strongest with Poseidon's sword or Achilles' spear.
Hera's bow can be ok but it feels needless to me at least, no extra damage just faster burst.
fading gazelle
Poseidon's Aspect seems really underrated to me, compared to Arthur's damage reduction and The base speed boost. Nemesis' aspect also feels more fun and flexible
deep pivot
Try it with Artemis' cast boons 
Namely, True Shot + Dual Shot + Exit Wounds + Fully Loaded
indigo summit
Is it just me, or is the base sword super weak?
fading gazelle
I did do a run with those boons