It’s a known bug yea
#h1-discussion
rigid grotto
cedar valley
can anyone of the devs answer if its intended that the asphodel +2 mini bosses is intended to make the number go from 1 desu + 1 head to 3 dusa + 3 Heads?
humble pulsar
not a dev, but I would assume its intended since it affects "all Elite enemies in mini-boss encounters"
does it with the murderboat too
cedar valley
its insanely hard to evade all that stuff
murder boat isnt as bad
having a screen full of stone stuns and falling heads is something else entirely
humble pulsar
i mean it triples the enemies on the murderboat which is pretty rough. Very hard to dodge anything there. Does it on the Soul Catchers in Elysium too.
cedar valley
yea soul catchers isnt as bad either
humble pulsar
speak for yourself I dread running into triple soul catchers
cedar valley
meh, i run mainly hera artemis cast, so my single target damage is through the roof
humble pulsar
Though I'd assume its intended considering its doing what the description says its doing.
cedar valley
since i know i can evade mobs and pick them off
humble pulsar
Once you get used to running it repeatedly though, it gets easier. I've not had too much trouble with triple megagorgon cause if you burn them down fast, its more just a waiting game from the heads
you can still take a lot of damage but that's not too much of an issue depending on what other heat modifiers you're using. I expect it would be nasty with a full 43 heat run though
cedar valley
if anyone ever pulls that off then they have the reflexes of a god
lol
didn't even think that was a swear but ok
sterile peak
I've already tried the Megagorgon fight with +enemies from Chaos, I don't wanna think about the heat version 😬
silent harbor
I don't wanna see any spoilers about new content yet, so I won't be on much, but HOT DAMN this new patch is amazing
worn radish
ah so they did scale down the bonuses when they added more levels to zag aspects
it figures
nice that they refunded them at least a litrtle
so with hera bow do you have to basically first click the cast button to load it then charge up bow attack to shoot?
this seems so cumbersome
waaaaaait you can load up all 3 in one shot
ooooh
velvet lion
I did the Gorgon fight with 3 Gorgons and 3 desus. Was running 12 heat with triple bomb and deadly florish. Was easy as hell
Was hard accepting that i couldn't beat up Meg's sisters :-(
nocturne ginkgo
Same
But like every new key deal has been like 2-4 diamonds for 1 key
so 20 old keys was a welcome change
humble pulsar
The Dynamic Duo is only really hard if you have really slow damage. It's pretty similar when you turn on the heat effects.
Just more to dodge
shy wave
I just beat the final boss with 1 life left and no extra lives
I think I need to get up and stretch a bit
gilded prism
shy wave
With Ares Special build bow
Just me freaking the heck out mashing dodge and Q in the opposite direction of the boss
gilded prism
That's impressive
I tend to become overconfident with the last boss and go full face until I lose all but 2 lives and then go tryhard mode haha
quasi sleet
has the bug of not getting bounties been patched?
velvet lion
So just beat Theseus with 2 arrows using ares with the Hera bow XD
quasi sleet
sweet, thank you supergiant emergency patch team
proud to pay to be your beta tester
quasi sleet
yep its fully working, even the "battled out of x" message
quick sable
what are diamonds for?
patent umbra
The shade by Hades' desk barters for them
void nova
If I grab the coin purse while I have a chaos curse of can't gain coins, will I not get the coins from the purse either?
Oh nice, I just went for a coin trove while I still had that curse :rip:
I'm pretty sure the text said 100 coins before I clicked it, it should prob say 0 eh
terse locust
How do I unlock aspect system? I am new here.
night turret
You will need to find the chtonic key(s) and unlock all weapons(?)
My save file is so old I cant reliably tell the things >_<
void nova
i finally escaped
on only my 49th attempt 😓
my build was absolutely ridiculous i'm pretty sure, and i only had 1 heat
ridiculous being.. . hella OP
like several duos and legendaries. basically, most importantly, i had 6 bloodstones, artemis' cast, also the damge-on-dislodge, and hermes' legendary auto-retrieve of bloodstones. so i managed to just run around the courtyard firing casts at the boss and trying to avoid getting hit. went into the final battle with 5 death defies and still managed to leave with 0.
i honestly don't know if this really made me feel skilled rofl. but i'll take it
i also (spoilers boss battle mechanics i suppose) ||had never even beaten the first form before, so i didn't know there was gonna be a second stage, and totally got reckless for a sec when the health bar was almost out the first time.||
maybe i can take another break now lol. this update was certainly very compelling and entertaining
pheww.. also the third night in a row i've been up past midnight playing Hades. it's 1am now, definitely have work tomorrow, sooo... gnight 😘
red glade
anyone else still not getting bounties?
I really want to play but dont want to miss out on unlocks, I hope they hotfix it soon
modest compass
ahhhHH i love the new update
the new weapon aspects are great
One of the main things that make a run fun is having a hammer change your playstyle early on and this is yet another layer of variation
deep blade
viscid oriole
When is the new update coming through ?
digital garnet
We just got one
velvet lion
So i just managed to beat it on 12 heat for the admant rail (did 12 for science result being there's no bonus rewards for overfilling the heat gauge) then beat it once on shield, bow and spear with 1 heat. Only sword to go and i hate sword >.<
worn radish
Same here. Beat the game number of times on all weapons but I just can't beat it with sword. Elisium bosses just flatten me in melee
void nova
@red glade they fixed it last night, I got bounties on my run
red glade
@void nova Great!! Time to go endlessly die again
modest compass
I just had two really fun sword runs, one with a cast build and one with a special reflect build
It was on low heat since i only just started doing the new progression system but you can get super fun synergies with the new aspects
void nova
Yeah I really enjoyed the aspect that dislodges bloodstones on Nova
modest compass
I just got really lucky with extra casts and cast damage and dislodge damage etc, did some incredible damage
void nova
Same that's how I finally beat the boss last night
I rambled about it a bit above lol. V exciting (for me lol)
lyric talon
I haven't yet found any unique dialogue related to weapon aspects when you talk to their former bearer in that form. Does any exist?
olive jungle
||there's a dialogue with chaos about the shield||
brisk trail
As well as one with ||Hades|| if you have the Poseidon sword aspect
Amusingly I also had Poseidon's wrath during that run. Full sea support. He also commented on it while accepting the boon
plain musk
Does anybody know if the Hestia aspect works with the infinite ammo upgrade for the rail?
modest compass
Also a dialogue with ||Hades if you have his spear aspect||
One of my absolute favourite things about this game is that each game mechanic is also referred to by the characters, which gives it so much more cohesion
brisk trail
@plain musk Does not. You have to manually reload to activate the bonus and you can't reload with Infinity Chamber.
olive jungle
You can reload with infinity chamber; they were playing with it earlier in #h1-builds-and-combat
brisk trail
What.
olive jungle
Idk if that was recently added to prevent it from destroying Hestia Aspect or what
but you can manually reload
brisk trail
Neat.
brisk trail
I mean, I like having Heavy Slug back and buffed (doesn't even cost a hammer, now!).
high jacinth
When using the heartseeker bow, I'm kinda confused what the dash attack is for purposes of blessings (I think mainly through Artemis)
It seems pretty much like any regular shot so I'm unsure what changes with modifiers
It's not as different as other weapon dash attacks visually at least
brisk trail
It charges more quickly and deals less damage.
A power shot with a standing Attack deals 60 base damage, a Dash Attack deals 40.
winter river
The new weapons have me so hooked I would trade my soul for a purple key right now...
void nova
oo are the new keys purple?
tbh i can't tell the difference between the keys at this point lol. though i haven't tried hard to study the differences
i'm fairly colorblind tho so that doesn't help :rip:
hexed smelt
chthonic keys, which you need forweapon upgrades, have a purple eye in the handle
void nova
hmmm random but, shouldn't we have gotten back the keys we spent to unlock stuff on the old pact of punishment?
i'd have like.... 30 more keys now or something lol
can't remember how expensive that stuff was
ocean meteor
I wouldnt know
It seems heat isnt a resource anymore
So probably
I had 200 stocked up
hexed smelt
hey, but you got darkness to replace it
rigid grotto
Do you want a refund of the resources that no longer exist?
alpine stratus
OH is that why i was suddenly able to get a fated authority hfchgdgh
void nova
yeah each heat got turned into 5 darkness i think which i'm totally fine with of course
but the keys i used to unlock the pacts are lost to the void i guess
void nova
i have everything in the mirror maxed except the re-rolls, i don't have any of those yet. how high up does that go?
rigid grotto
Up to 10
humble siren
Hey there, was there a save reset for the Superstar Update? I seem to not have a save file now :/
void nova
oh damn, no, i had my save
rigid grotto
No
hexed smelt
10 rerolls and the prices go 1k / 2k / 3k / 4k / 5k / 10k / 20k / 30k / 40k / 50k
void nova
daaaamn is that 165k darkness total cost?
hexed smelt
yup
void nova
that is......how tf lol
humble siren
Ok thanks for the info
void nova
especially now that the pact doesn't give darkness bonuses
or, does it?
i didn't see it say anywhere that it does
rigid grotto
It doesn’t
rigid grotto
U think that’s the point
void nova
lol
void nova
fair, i suppose
rigid grotto
Just steal the speedrun seed
void nova
wuhh?
rigid grotto
It has mirror maxed
void vigil
ichoren means the save that is uploaded on speedrun.com
vast shell
i like the new skeleton key sprite with the red gem actually, it's pretty
ocean meteor
@rigid grotto Could you help me install the speedrun seed
I don't quite get how
just curious and want to put it on my second profile
rigid grotto
You paste all the small files inside the folder, not the folder itself
ocean meteor
Sorry I'm quite lost, maybe we continue in #off-topic-discussion?
I don't want to clog this channel
fallen laurel
Hi, everyone. I didn't find more appropriate place to ask. Is there another version of "Myth of Orpheus", where can I loop the record? :D I'm tired of clicking 18:38 in PAX orchestra video, I love this song
rigid grotto
The orchestra version? As far as I know, no
fallen laurel
I would like to have any version :D Thanks
modest compass
@void nova Even if you can't see the colors, the old keys have a little red ribbon (?) below them, and the new ones do not
modest compass
Welcome! Also the "old" keys in the list on the right are listed below ambrosia, and the new ones near the top of the list below diamonds. You'll get far fewer and only from act bosses I think
The vendor sometimes has them but then you'll have to judge it by the sprite unfortunately
fallen laurel
Oooooh >_> I didn't know, I'm blind or stupid
vast shell
what all are old keys used for, now
i had most of the mirror unlocked (not god's pride/fated authority/uhhh what was the other boon-related one called again) before the update so the ones i have left all require new keys
modest compass
The skeleton keys are also used during runs to start more powerful troves
(The chests that give you rewards for clearing minions fast)
void vigil
yep, and you can trade them for other resources at the broker
if you want to, that is
modest compass
A regular one might give you 100 coins, but with 3 keys you might unlock a trove that gives 300 (or health, or...)
The new song has grown on me so quickly, every time I enter the areas where you hear it in the game I feel instantly soothed
vast shell
oh right, i knew that was still a thing (the troves)
crimson hinge
i stop playing this game for 6 months and then come back and holy crap, its gotten SO much better
crimson hinge
i mean, yeah. it was a nice little thing, but you know, not much was in it
ocean meteor
I'm a fan of rogue likes so I can bash my head at them for hours at a time
crimson hinge
still gave money cause supergiant makes great games, and this one is no different
ocean meteor
nice
crimson hinge
and now theres so much
ocean meteor
well the price was raised so you got returns on your intial investment I guess
crimson hinge
yeah man
ocean meteor
👏
crimson hinge
ill gladly give my mons to this company
im just so happy this became so much more fluid in controls. it no longer feels like zagreus has weights on his legs
rigid grotto
Old dash was kinda meh compared to new dash
ocean meteor
for sure
crimson hinge
didn say slow, just wasnt fluid. as you said, jagged
rigid grotto
Also the fact that dash overrides attack now in input buffering was a great change
Zagged
crimson hinge
you can cancel attack with special as well
rigid grotto
And cast
crimson hinge
yeah. everything is cancelable which is nice
little bit of leeway to learn timing here and there
welp, back to playing i go
oh yeah, the dash that lets you reflect is actually good now too
rigid grotto
Original hunters dash was insane
crimson hinge
hunters dash plus crit plus bow = boss melter
or used to be
seems like every boon and weapon changed so now i can keep exploring all the combinations agaon
aww man they took my gun. i really liked the combo where for every shot i landed with the rapid fire thing the huntress would send out one of her bullets to damage them as well......melted everything
jagged badger
I had a dope set up for my last win
Not a spoiler but just in case ||https://gyazo.com/1bf1722b5105da1325d4230f6711fd9a||
brisk trail
Chiron might be my favorite aspect out of all of them.
jagged badger
It feels really good
I'm a big fan of how the spear feels now
the dash attack is lovely
brisk trail
This fixed the bow for me, now I just need the final Aspect of the spear to be super neato and we'll be in business.
still waiting on autofire Rapid Shot and Flurry Blade
jagged badger
Oof
This build turned out silly but fun ||https://gyazo.com/7f9898e4dc358eb21828c099e6f73f2a||
Wasn't all I'd hoped
The hammer boon that shoots waves doesn't apply boons to the attacks
so you still need to hit with the sword for your attack boon
But the crit stacking felt good
elfin sparrow
The aspects are an absolute blast and I love the new bounty system. So far this patch is really good
crimson hinge
So i noticed some boons synergies with each other
I had posaidons special on the swords
And i got a boon from zues that said that anyone knocked away by poseidons affect on the special also got zippidy zapped by lightning.
Do these synergies show up often or are they as rare as the ultimate boon from the gods?
patent umbra
Those are duo boons, they require you to have boons from both gods before they ca show up and are uncommon, some can show up with any boons, while others need certain prerequisite boons
crimson hinge
Thanks
vast shell
and if it's a duo boon with poseidon, you often get to enjoy the other god dunking on him in the conversation before you pick it up :D
brisk trail
Was there a recent small Hades patch that wasn't announced?
I opened the egs on the day of the update and downloaded the whole thing for sure, despite not playing afterwards
wanted to play some now and... stuck updating again
Sorry wrong channel I suppose
olive jungle
There was a small hotfix, yes
brisk trail
Oh alright, thanks
it's updating very slowly despite going at 9 Mbit though, 13.6MB only? 🤔
guess I'll say goodbye to my plan to play at 5am :P
Sorry as this is just me rambling/an EGS issue rather, but damn, It's progressing at barely 3% per minute when it's just "Reading"... at 140MB/s 🤔
brisk trail
i can't belive those tall tall columns on the main hall are now gone 😔 https://i.imgur.com/QDj84AL.png
balmy sigil
If we have a control/visual glitch that's recorded via (kinda low quality) phone camera, where would we post that?
brisk trail
Do Boons get replaced or something now? I'm on my first run so far today and at the very first room i picked up the one that makes your base attack deflect; however since many rooms earlier this has stopped being the case
void vigil
@balmy sigil you can report bugs in-game via F10, if you have a video you could upload it to youtube and attach a link in the bug report?
balmy sigil
yeah, it's not the best quality video, but I'll upload it and add a small description of what's happening
void vigil
@brisk trail did you perhaps purge the boon, or get a replacement boon offered from another god, or have the pact option on that makes you get rid of a boon when you move to another biome? if none of those, then report that with F10
brisk trail
What is a "replacement boon"?
and no I didn't sell it on the fountain to asphodeus
(the effect was already gone by then)
void vigil
sometimes gods will offer you to switch one god’s ability for theirs, and the rarity will be higher
so an epic attack boon from athena would become a heroic attack boon from ares for example
vast shell
that's the only time i've seen heroic boons offered at all, actually
void vigil
yes, it’s the only time they can be offered
do you have anything on your attack at all or is it just gone?
brisk trail
Uh
Where and when is this ever explained?
I'm guessing that's what happened but no explanation was given whatsoever, as far as i can tell
i just collected boons as usual
brisk trail
empty?
void vigil
The attack boon slot
sorry I’m just trying to understand what happened lol
let me see if I can find a screenshot of it
brisk trail
samehttps://i.imgur.com/7zFXkpP.png
void vigil
ah yeah so you have an artemis boon, ok
and do you remember if your athena boon was a regular rarity?
brisk trail
I mean there's slots now? Is that how it works?
I got the deflect one > last stand > deadly strike > multi skewer > swift strike > curse of pain
no clue
patent umbra
The slots on the left are attack/special/cast/dash/call, gods can make exchange boons for those only
brisk trail
Why is deadly strike an attack boon but not swift strike? I don't understand
void vigil
Hermes is more of a support character
the main 5 things can only have one boon on them at a time, shown by the slots with the drawing on them
and the rest are misc boons you can accumulate regardless of that
brisk trail
mm okay but I don't really understand what arbitrary rule makes a boon main or misc
void vigil
a boon that makes your special do more damage is a special boon, therefore main, but a boon that makes you gain more health from centaur hearts is misc
Hermes and chaos are the exceptions
since you need to take a penalty to get the reward from chaos and hermes works like a hammer
void vigil
im not sure I understand?
brisk trail
There are not.
Artemis offers a singular Attack boon, Deadly Strike.
Hermes and Chaos boons can stack on top of these.
patent umbra
Each god has one boon for the main slots
brisk trail
aight
well next time i see a "main" god i'll make extra sure to see if it's telling me to replace stuff.... but I really don't think I saw any wording for it last time
Haven't seen many gods this run
There's not much wording, but there's some symbols on the boon that let you know you're replacing one of yours. You can also press Tab or Select/Back/Whatever-controllers-call-it-now to check your current boon list.
void vigil
does anyone have a screenshot of it? I haven’t gone looking yet lol, I’m on mobile
brisk trail
I don't have one, but if I find one while I play tonight I'll drop a cap.
void vigil
I don’t find them often so it’s possible you haven’t seen it before, wafu
I find duos left and right tho
brisk trail
well I also hadn't played snice uh
hermes/dyonysus not sure which was the newest
is this new? beucase i don't think i ever noticed it before
the system i mean
void vigil
haha yeah that’s quite a while. I think it was added when dionysus was
brisk trail
Good Times would have been February?
void vigil
I also don’t play as much as some people here but I do try to keep up with update content
and I still haven’t seen them that much
patent umbra
https://imgur.com/uuk8Z0y the middle selection is a trade for my dash boon
void vigil
thank you!
brisk trail
welp asterius got me
I think that could be highlighted some more
red text it up or something
void vigil
that could go in #hades-feedback!
brisk trail
sure
If you were to trade an Epic it would light up in red, the color of the boon, but I agree.
void vigil
heroic actually is red haha, but yeah, it does seem rather normal when it’s a regular rarity I guess
brisk trail
I mean the rest of the text not the boon
can gems only be obtained as room rewards and in such small quantities?
patent umbra
They appear in troves occasionally
balmy sigil
I remembered I actually have recording software on my computer, so I recorded the glitch on a decent device
And just submitted the bug report
brisk trail
The amount dropped from Troves is only a little annoying in the face of 10k pillars.
ok last question for the night, what are diamonds for?
void vigil
wait, really?
patent umbra
Diamonds are traded to the contractor for music and some decorations in the house
they don't have gameplay value
brisk trail
how many levels is a rarity?
is it best to have 2 random boons upgraded to next rarity or 4 of them to gain 1 level
radiant tangle
That depends on the boon, but the important distinction that I've found is that upgrading rarity can affect boons that cannot otherwise be upgraded. Life Affectation, for example, the Aphrodite boon that increases the amount you get from Centaur Hearts, cannot be upgraded by Poms (or the Pom Porridge offered by ||Eurydice||) but can be upgraded in rarity to get increased effect
brisk trail
that's who i'm speaking with right now though
radiant tangle
I figured, that's the only way to upgrade the rarity of a boon you currently have equipped
I'm saying that the gift that upgrades rarity can increase thing like Life Affectation, Ocean's Bounty, and either of Athena's Death Defiance boons, while the gift that gives them a level cannot.
radiant tangle
It depends on the boon
brisk trail
can I check it anywhere?
radiant tangle
brisk trail
I rather meant ingame 😅
radiant tangle
There's no boon database ingame, no
brisk trail
well i figure they could somehow display it here or so https://i.imgur.com/Ec3hl06.png
I was getting 3k gems decor prices before but now I'm getting 40 gem and 250 gem ones huh
nice
balmy sigil
Are the character models for characters like Nyx, Orpheus, and others finalized as they are, like with hood and stuff, or will they get unique models like Hades and the Furies do?
radiant tangle
Models and sprites with hoods are placeholders
ocean meteor
Although a lot of people think nyx looks nice hooded
So they were thinking of maybe touching up and modernizing it
While keepin dat hood
radiant tangle
I love that Nyx is BIG
jovial nimbus
Okay, I feel like you can only have the chance to meet the new NPC if only I'm on the Snake Oil heat set up.
🤔
jovial nimbus
On one hand, I'm glad that we can have a consistent method to meet the new NPC. But I suspect it's just temporary for us to have more stories out of this update 😏😅. So I'm just gonna roll with it and get to know more stories out of her atm.
Also also, literally, does anybody else find Poseidon to be a constant presence in your runs this update? 🤔🤦♂️ like, he's bloody everywhere it's annoying. Is it a RNG bug or sth?
quick vector
am i the only one that feels the bow is just not good?
pearl fox
It's good if you can get the timing down on the powered shots
quick vector
i just always feel like i can deal more damage with other weapon
and fighting theseus is a pain imo
vapid flume
What the hell happened to the difficulty of the game with this patch
Is it just me or the game is really really harder now?
jovial nimbus
I have a feeling I know exactly what you are struggling with. Let me guess, does it start with a big head and 2 horns.
quick vector
Funny thing I actually had an easier time dealing with our bull headed catastrophe
jovial nimbus
@vapid flume
Or maybe you forgot to remove the heats off before you started your run?
quick vector
I usually go low heat so maybe my opinions don't count
jovial nimbus
@quick vector Idk man. The bull's changes in his patterns and rhythm really threw me off when I faced him.
patent umbra
I don't like how mino's damage comes just a few frames before his animations
jovial nimbus
Like, I got used to the fact that his high-jump-slam is a straight forward movement.
And now, it acts like a heat-seeking missile!
Avoiding his attacks was easy to me before since they are all foward movement, but now he has a pause to aim his strike. And blood and darkness! It hurst everytime. Considering now I have to look out for both T's spear throw AND A's heatseeking slams, I feel like I'm developing amblyopia or sth!
vale kite
Oh that might explain why he made me eat the grass the other day on 15 heat
karmic ibex
Does Rail's Eris Aspect also buff it's special attack?
patent umbra
It boosts all of your damage
karmic ibex
sweet
vapid flume
@jovial nimbus Yeah, the bull is disgusting to fight against
Absolutely gross
I honestly think the 3rd boss fight is by far the hardest of them all, beating the final boss by a distance measured in light years
His attacks lock on to you till the very last second when he finally launches
Now combine that with the fact that you're fighting two bosses at the same time
One of which is constantly calling upon some god's powers too
It is utterly disgusting
And I love it lol
hexed smelt
i'm very late to this conversation but i noticed it while backreading: you don't have to be using the snake oil condition to meet the new npc
vale kite
No you dont
karmic ibex
Yea Asterius' Homing slam is stupid, they should definitely revert, that or maybe have it so he turns slowly in your direction maybe?
Also with Snake Oil, does it give the Hydra an extra main head, or extra heads that he spawns in?
sullen nebula
the encounter uses different room
frigid atlas
I feel like his bull slams sometimes just don't have a wind up, am I crazy? It feels bad enough that he homes in on you so easily, but if it's part of the combo he does or if he has that moment here he lights up white you can see it and try dodge. But occasionally it looks like he goes from walking to immediately slamming and it just feels unfair
The final boss has been a breeze by comparison
safe spade
Just got 3 diamonds and only 1 key from the bounty run... Not cool 😦
crimson hinge
i like the bull. what a great fight
crimson hinge
oh snap, the game gave me weapon aspects. these look nifty
autumn pagoda
Someone had problem "Hermes Greater Recall" is too rare? 
autumn pagoda
Artemis. l'm got here a Cast build. https://i.imgur.com/UirmuJS.png
First time l'm see double replace to heroic atleast.
amber garden
Sweet
lyric talon
That's interesting!
crimson hinge
but im so close to beating him every time
lavish wagon
Is it me or is Stygius' Zagreus Aspect just being a movespeed buff quite underwhelming? I'm loving the new aspects and bonuses for each weapon this one just seems a bit of a lame duck in comparison.
crimson hinge
gotta go fast
lavish wagon
I want to see Lv.5 Zag Aspect Sword with the 100% movespeed on dash from hermes
lavish wagon
Great on it's own and absolutely amazing with the '100% more shots on special' hammer boon!
crimson hinge
i imagine its really good with the damage ups from gods as well, then
how often do you get purple keys? cause i feel like after beating all the bosses with all the weapons, it becomes quite limited or am i wrong on that
and i wana unlock ALL the aspects
fiery pebble
Its decent
crimson hinge
cause once you get tier 3 on the gifts from gods, getting what you want is somewhat easier
fiery pebble
It struggles with roomclearing and Styx is hell
red coral
You can get more cthonic keys by upping the heat!
red coral
Yes unfortunately
crimson hinge
fortunatly
red coral
But I believe in you!
crimson hinge
its fun
red coral
Yes that’s the spirit!
crimson hinge
and if you want the game to be even harder, you gotta beat the boss first
crimson hinge
i played this when it first released, and stopped at the god of wine update. and then my save corrupted, so i have to get the pact of punishment all over again
restarting isnt all bad, though i suppose
i really enjoy the voice acting
cant wait for the sixth weapon
and now there are different looks for the weapons depending on the aspect. its all so fantastic
red coral
ohhhh, if you havent played in that long then you are in for a real treat
crimson hinge
never taking triple shot again. back in ye olden days they were closer together and you could land all three on one monster and deal alotta damage. now its just......dumb'
brisk trail
Yeah, even with Explosive Shot and basically being inside an enemy (think the old "sticking your head in a lion's open mouth" joke but with a Nemean Chariot and Zag holding a bow and arrow) I was having trouble landing all three.
crimson hinge
yeah. from now on ill take the two shot one instead
untold bramble
idk if I'm posting this in the right channel, but does anyone else's framerate tank once they enter a room in Elysium?
brisk trail
Here or #h1-tech-support and no, I haven't had that happen to me.
untold bramble
Ok then
strong heron
untold bramble
I just noticed that it only dropped when a chariot appeared
I was fighting archers and everything was fine
But one giant chariot appeared and it went below 60
brisk trail
I let Hermes speak to the end of his dialogue every time and he still comments like I cut him off. 😢
void vigil
I’m suuuper late to this, but please remember to avoid spoiling the final boss in this channel! 🙏
balmy sigil
Frames drops in Elysium happen to me too
crimson hinge
it only happens to me when i first enter a room from time to time, then works fine after
but im also playing on a laptop, so i dont know how much of that is simply my hardware
ocean meteor
Hades is pretty intensive
It devours my processing
But im only using an I5
Might upgrade to amd
humble pulsar
it is an early access game, so unfortunately that doesn't surprise me
(its well polished for early access tbf but likely some things still fall through the cracks)
it works well on my pc but my pc is honestly very good, so I'm not a good judge
rigid grotto
Idk it ran fine on my old laptop
Well fine as in 30 FPS
The refresh rate of the screen
balmy sigil
I'm on a pretty high end pc and I get frame drops in the first room of Elysium most runs
crimson hinge
my laptop has a 940mx card, and this game runs well on it
so uh
pretty well optamized if i say so
dawn hill
hey yall a friend of mine bought the game like last week and cant figure out how to unlock aspects, I've had the game since release n I had no issues getting aspects, it seemed like it was thru the pact of punishment right? or is there a different way to unlock aspects that I just didn't notice because I'd already done it?
vast shell
purple keys
You can get aspects well before the pact of punishment (I don't have the pact yet)
dawn hill
i've only gotten purple keys thru bounties, so how should he get them? is it just a normal room reward?]
void vigil
i think you get a chthonic key from beating the hydra?
and you need all weapons unlocked as well for the aspects to start showing up
radiant tangle
Whether you get a Key or a Diamond from a bounty is determined at random
void vigil
ah! i see
i thought it was diamond, key, diamond, key
oh wait you mean the bounties
dawn hill
oh i think i figured it out!! he doesn't have the rail unlocked yet so maybe thats it
void vigil
i meant the room rewards fdkgjhdjk
yeah he should prioritize unlocking the rail then :>
if he has any chthonic keys he should also be able to unlock some aspects right away
dawn hill
we got it!! literally the second he unlocked the rail he got aspects haha he was being petty about not unlocking the rail for some reason
thanks yall!!
safe spade
made it with a one boon wonder
and extra 1500 for the key even
maybe minimalistic builds are the way to go in order to save 1500 gold
crimson hinge
all i need, is the critical special for the sword, and the double hit special hammer, and then alotta pomegranate, and i can save 1500 and still do damage. but thats a matter of getting lucky with my first few chambers
safe spade
you can kinda manipulate tartarus
wet reef
are Diamonds just for trading?
wet reef
At the decoration dude?
crimson hinge
yes
safe spade
diamonds are for unlocking songs and stuff but rn I just care about them for trading into purple keys
2 diamonds= 1 key
wet reef
btw is there a faster way to get gemstones
crimson hinge
heat
wet reef
Ah okay
crimson hinge
but yeah, im gonna focus on getting this keepsake to tier 3 so i can manage to manipulate tartarus as much as i can
wet reef
I haven't even finished the final boss with 1 heat so I'm keeping my fingers away from more than 1 for now
crimson hinge
and then i can do 1500 coin runs
honestly if you get pretty deep into the game with heat you'll still get plenty o rewards
i need to kill the final boss to get heat to begin with
i came so close last time
alas, my controller died
wet reef
oof
I'm glad to be an earlier access player at that point haha
brisk trail
They are used to purchase sheet music from the house contractor.
crimson hinge
oh so was i, but my old file got corrupted and i had to restart
i didnt want to restart, so i stopped playing
and now im here
gilded hawk
A new player guide might be beneficial for this discord, I feel
Just on a pure gameplay basis, "how do I unlock x" and whatnot
Since most of us have been here long enough that the unlock mechanics have changed
amber garden
Is the wiki still being actively worked on?
lofty gull
Hey guys, I mostly just lurk and stuff but I was playing the new patch yesterday (love it btw) and I got a weird bug with the Chiron aspect for the bow. It was shooting just the 5 arrows, but it kept animating like it was shooting the standard 8, because of it the cone would kind of lean to the left because of the pattern it was trying to shoot. I've got some video but don't know where to post it to so the team can check it out
olive jungle
Hit F10 to send a bug report, describe the issue and include a link to your video
lofty gull
Sweet, I'll do that in a bit when the vid uploads
lofty gull
Sent 😄
humble pulsar
I'm glad to hear that people are actually struggling :p
I swear it's not because I'm a jerk. I'm just glad to know that the difficulty level feels difficult that people aren't just easily going through it
The wiki is being slowly and actively worked on. I know a couple of the mods work on it and so do I when I have time.
olive jungle
It's a community effort, of course, so if you see something is missing or incomplete you're welcome to add it!
That's a general statement. To everybody
kgdfjhgdf
humble pulsar
^ I actively encourage everyone to work on the wiki if they feel like they want to or have something to contribute. It's ok even if it's not perfectly written or it's not complete, just mark pages as stubs or as needing general cleanup and eventually we'll get to tidying up. :)
If you need to know something though, the QA's (reddish pink folks) should know the answer to most of any questions (they do lots of testing). If not, well some of us have played way too much of this game. :P
humble pulsar
Oh yeah not in this channel anyways :p this is the no spoilerino channel
olive jungle
you're better off keeping it a community thing, i think. we're here for tech stuff 😛
humble pulsar
I'm known for advertising my top tier strategies for a totally reasonable price
olive jungle
once upon a time i did things like update the wiki....
olive jungle
anyways, if you're wondering whether something is a bug...well, just go ahead and 
, really, but you can also ask me to come in here and tell you personally to
if you have questions abt how something works, #h1-builds-and-combat or #h1-story-discussion
humble pulsar
^
olive jungle
and if you're mad something isn't on the wiki, then add it 😁
humble pulsar
Me realizing I'm likely gonna be the one adding all the aspects to the wiki :NotLikeThis:
hexed smelt
i would work on the wiki but it is, frankly, exhausting and i'm kinda neck deep in another hyperfixation right now that i don't know i'm climbing out of any time soon
versed lintel
Hey guys! Am I a slow dodger or is the final boss' ||spin attack|| very harsh on stygius?
Wait, there's a wiki? Gosh that's awesome, hope there's a strategies section or secret content guide
halcyon heron
Nah, the wiki pretty much just lists all the major characters, the enemies, the weapons, lists out all the boons that sort of stuff
I don't even think there is any "secret content"
spice patrol
Not yet at least. Maybe they'll pull a binding of isaac and have optional bosses / alternate paths out
versed lintel
Even the duo and legendary boons are a major secret to most people until you take the effort
Are there duo boons for all god combos actually?
spice patrol
don't think so
quasi sleet
not yet
dry rover
yo folks
i bet everyone already asked that
but how could i unlock weapons hidden aspects?
dry rover
i not native speaker
so what is this cthonic key?
there is red keys and the, how should i call em, elite keys and emeralds
are you talkin bout that?
dry rover
ye, i opened few aspects already i just mainly askin how could i open the "hidden" aspect
ocean meteor
Np my bad for misreading ur question
dry rover
btw isnt nemesis aspect is too OP on the sword?
also one more question lad
so how should i farm emeralds and keys i should always increase heat difficulty by 1 to farm em?
ocean meteor
Once you claim the bounty for that heat + weapon you cant claim it again you have to raise the heat i believe
Im not too well versed with the bounty system though
dry rover
i see thank you anyway i owe you)
versed lintel
@dry rover Every time you completely clear from first to last boss, you have to increase the heat by 1. If you die earlier you can keep your heat but have to go back to clear the last bosses
dry rover
ya i figure it out already, than u anyway
versed lintel
Glad you could, it's a bit complicated 😅
humble pulsar
the wiki sort of has a guide/strategy page but I can't guarantee its up to date
finally added the Styx enemies to the wiki btw
minus their health values, its all there
fathom hound
Is it horrible of me to want heat challenges on Theseus and final boss fights (e.g. Extreme Measures and Snake Oil).
Maybe an extra Olympian Boon used by Theseus or and extra stage for the final boss.
This bit is fun~
And it really adds to the replayability. Maybe developers have something planned already. Just wanna say the Pact of Punishment rework is amazing~
jovial nimbus
Well, you are welcome to try out Middle Management in the meantime instead 
vale kite
vibe check https://i.imgur.com/euvmKI2.jpg
i wanted to take a picture of the text but now it looks like that shade is about to punch the other
fallen river
so an exalted spawn with armour is nigh unkillable when you don't pick Athena in a 2 boon room with the whole impervious effect?
gleaming timber
The game itself: we highly recommend playing with a controller
@zealous timber, literally the studio director: how about no
brisk trail
hey can anybody recomend an aspect to play around with ?
gleaming timber
I really like Nemesis aspect on the blade. I wasn't really into the blade but I'm giving it a second chande and it's really fun
modern ferry
wet reef
They aren't really skins, more different functualities
you need to get the purple keys with the pact of punishment bounty
gleaming timber
When you pick a weapon there's this black hole thing, there you can unlock the aspects
wet reef
on that note I do wish I could have my weapons look whatever I want with the different aspects active
not a fan of the Zeus aegis
gleaming timber
@wet reef that would be nice, but I feel the different looks give the new powers of the weapon some personality
And it makes the weapons quickly distinctive if you're streaming for example
brisk trail
what can i buy with diamonds
lyric talon
Darkness, Cthonic keys, and music
median wing
how does one get premission to post on the feedback channel?
So far I'm loving this update, but I've found that the swift strike+flurry blade+piercing wave combo is a massive performance killer (and monster killer too, but that's a positive :P)
hexed smelt
check the pinned posts in that channel
median wing
oh, each channel has his own pins. silly me.
vapid flume
Uhh, I'm not sure if this is the place where I can ask this but in the final boss whom shall remain unnamed so as to not spoil anyone, ||there's a certain phase where he stands still and summons a myriad of laser beams||, how do you dodge those, or those even possible to be dodged?
I've just been taking damage head on and surviving with my second lives.
flat vapor
answer: ||there's a block of debris/ruin to the right of the arena and a small corner to the top left that you can hide behind (but for some reason it's kinda finicky? since the lasers follow you, they can clip what seems to be safe corners. try to just stay still and not move too much when you're behind them)||
patent umbra
Stay close, very close
crimson hinge
You can always walk in between, but it could take tome to get used to the attack. Ive only beaten him once so far since i started playing again a day ago, and its a tough fight.
But once you get better at the floors before him, you should have enough dd to learn his patterns
Oh yeah. I still havent gotten an answer. And i dont wanna spam but i really gotta know, since the wording is odd on the original bow aspect. Does it just increase the damage of the perfect shot?
crimson hinge
Oh. Thats.....hum, thats kinda dumb
Well thanks, that helps my choices quite a bit
crimson hinge
Yeah, but it’d be better than just making it easier to use
fiery pebble
Agreed, thats why I put it in feedback
crimson hinge
And they could lower the bonus if they did make ot that way
Yeah i saw that, i wasnt sure what it was about since i didn’t get aspects until recently
Ive just been trying to unlock the ones that looked interesting to me
I got aspecy two of the sword, bow, rail and shield unlocked
Now i just gotta get the achiles aspect on spear and i can just focus on upgrading them
I ive been getting stuck in corners of alysium lately as well.
But thats already in feedback
crimson hinge
you can trade other things for them
i once saw the option to trade 20 red keys for one cthonic key, now that o have 22, im just waiting for that option to show up again
wet reef
oof
crimson hinge
and you can trade 50 jewels for 5 red keys
maybe you can trade ambrotias for them too,but i dont know about that one
wet reef
I know sometimes you can buy one cthonic key for 1500 obols in the final area
crimson hinge
but heat is the most reliable way since you can get two per run, assuming you get to styx, and 3 per run if you beat it since you can trade two diamonds for one key
yeah. for that i try to do a limited run where i only have one or two boons that i upgrade through poms while selling everything else, as well as taking lunch money from the boi stuck on the boulder, as well as not buying things from shop until getting to styx
using red keys for the obol challenges is also usefull
assuming you have a boon that makes wave clearing easier
chaos's boons can sometimes include getting more gold, so look for those. grab that egg and go chaos hunting
Long explanation cut short. There are other means of getting keys, heat is just reliable since you can get 3 per heat thresholdc per weapon, all it takes is some skill
And practice
crimson hinge
the second aspect of the rail kind alooks like the head of the mechs from evangalion. just a big ol mouth biting onto a barrel. its pretty nifty
high jacinth
Unsure if it's just coincidental timing with my mirror progression, but after this patch, I feel like the game is much easier now
Finally got my first successful run yesterday!
high jacinth
Before, I was struggling to clear Elysium even without heat, but I can pretty easily get to final boss or clear now
I think that was partly the intent of overhauling the heat system though
ocean meteor
Oh without heat i feel the game has gotten easier
Just a lot of options and boons have gotten better
Ive been doing heat for the bounties and it feels about the same i guess
The game also runs better and is smoother despite slysium stutters
So just a lot of qol changes and powercreep has made the game feel "easier"
worn ferry
Hey guys
can anybody tell me what diamonds are used for? Havent played for a couple of updates but I'm loving jumping back in
ocean meteor
Used to buy somgs so orpheus can sing them
worn ferry
Ahh ok cool, thanks. I suppose I have to interact with orpheus or eurydice a few more times before he feels like singing again
I was so happy I made it to the final boss. Couldn't kill it though, wasn't expecting another phase
wet reef
Don't worry, I'm playing since release and never had Orpheus sing for me
worn ferry
And time absolutely flies while you're playing this, didnt feel like I'd been playing that long but now its 11pm and I've been playing for like 4 hours
wet reef
I'm at max ambrosia for him too OTL
every run to the last boss takes around an hour now and I STILL kinda want there to be more stages
I kinda hope there is going to be some Binding of Isaac esque secret endgame
or unlockable
worn ferry
Yeah my fastest run was with the adamant rail and that was about 50 minutes I think. Boss killed me on the second phase though
It's crazy thinking back to how I struggled when the game came out to get past Meg and now you just breeze past them
wet reef
To be fair they decreased earlier bosses health a bit so the game scales a bit haha
like, I wouldn't want to fight against launch Meg now because she spawned soo maany adds
worn ferry
Yeah it was such a rough fight. I didnt get Meg once today though. Only the rage lady and the murderrrrr lady (sorry cant remember their names)
wet reef
I know one of them is Tisiphone
wet reef
Alecto is the very angery one
worn ferry
Ah that's right. I keep forgetting Alecto has spikes in the corners and I accidentally step on them all the time
vale kite
so does she
wet reef
I think she has legit "argh" voicelines when she walks into them lol
cold orbit
Oh my god hi guys I just finished the game and I’m so excited my bones are shaking
sterile peak
I always thought she intentionally walked over them in order to trigger rage faster
wet reef
I feel like we want to refer to the final boss as the final boss over here @cold orbit , at least thats what I've seen so far
void vigil
yeah! thank you both :>
this channel is spoiler free, but you can feel free to talk freely about the final boss in channels like #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat
olive jungle
Congrats, Ruolo!
void vigil
🎉
jaunty kraken
Cleared in 20 minutes and thought I was a boss, then looked up speedruns and 
humble pulsar
Did haelian speedrun the big bad update?
void vigil
yep!
wet reef
I have so much fun with this game I might consider just casually streaming it but I'm not sure if my laptop is good enough for that haha
sterile peak
argh I tried to f10 a bug where hades says nothing at the end of asphodel but the bug reporter crashed the game
something about a missing font I didn't get to read it
naive shard
One message removed from a suspended account.
void vigil
what do you mean?
lyric talon
she is crushed!! :'(
crimson hinge
Poor she
void vigil
oh i just realized like an hour later you probably mean your game crashed? im... slow. youll find what to do in #hades-tech-fixes-old, but if nothing seems right, #h1-tech-support is the right channel to ask for help in @naive shard
thorny crescent
Man I have not found achille's lover for so long
You can't give them abrosia the first time you meet them
So I am always looking for him but he never shows. Been like 30 or 40 runs now
Also, at what level do the weapon aspects max out?
fiery pebble
5
dry rover
is there any place where i can read updated duo boons?
@thorny crescent hes at third chamber
its easier to find him if you got the mirror update which let you swap doors rewards
the one which cost 1 thousand at first 2 thousand at second and etc
also im not 100% sure but from my own remarks NPC show more often if you dont visit shop door
night turret
@dry rover there is a wiki pinned in gameplay-channel
dry rover
im not sure but it seems its not up to date
This page was last edited on 31 August 2019, at 12:28.
at the duo boons page
https://hades.gamepedia.com/Duo_Boons can somebody confirm that there all duo boons up to date?
autumn pagoda
@dry rover Yeah here missing heroic boons information. Need pretty much testing to update wiki and alot runs through Eurydice. Or just one datamining demigod lol.
<sorry moved pinged message to spoilers chat>
humble pulsar
No Duo Boons have been added or changed afaik since the Big Bad Update, so the Duo Boon page specifically should be up to date.
Eurydice has no effect on Duos or Legendaries afaik, because Duos and Legendaries do not have levels or rarities in the traditional sense.
mild pivot
Man, the Chiron Aspect is bonkers. Did my fastest final boss clear ever without breaking a sweat
elfin sorrel
I haven’t completed a full run yet, 18 attempts or so. I really love the shield. The most fun for me.
What are your favorite weapons?
worn ferry
I had a good time with the adamant rail yesterday. Got to styx on both the runa i did with it so I was p happy with that after the long break I took from the game
olive mortar
the sword with crit is the best man. aint noting can stand in ur way
rigid grotto
Blitz disk shield of chaos all the way
wet reef
I just finished a run With Chaos Shield + Ares special
void nova
Shield is my fav as well
rigid grotto
^
void nova
I finally finished my first full clear the other night, and it was with the shield
rigid grotto
Congrats
void nova
Though then I did another run the next day with spear and also cleared lol, I guess I'm suddenly good
Thanks!
On a 2 streak I should quit while I'm ahead :p
rigid grotto
It saves your highest streak
void nova
On the topic of the shield, I learned the hard way a while back that knockback on attack is crucial, to how I play it at least
I accepted a hammer upgrade that got rid of it and it ruined my run lol
wet reef
yeah when you don't focus on the special you really want that knockback
rigid grotto
Wall slam is like 50% of your damage at least early on
void nova
I mean I also use the special af, in fact that's partially why I accepted that "upgrade" I was like oh it's just the attack nbd
Apparently I used it more than I thought lol
fluid mango
does hades use 3d art for the levels? or is it 2d?
hexed smelt
2d!
calm delta
btw does Zagreus have heterochromia?
wet reef
yeah
at first people thought it was an artist rendition but an npc (not sure who) talks about it
calm delta
okayy thanks
hexed smelt
||thanatos|| is the npc you're thinking of. ||he says zagreus has persephone's eyes - "well, one of them, anyway." hades also mentions his "mismatched eyes" in a remembrance.||
vital fern
say, I just wanted to ask; are the gemstone upgrades supposed to be 5000 each? since you get like, 50 per run if you try to get them it takes 10 runs for only a single decoration
olive jungle
It's not a bug, if that's what you mean; those are indeed the prices for some of the more expensive upgrades, although there are several cheaper ones too.
vital fern
so gemstones are supposed to be like the reroll upgrades are for darkness; endgame timesinks?
ocean meteor
Id say so
vale kite
theres a majority of lounge decor thingies that range between like 40 to 400 gemstones
then you have the more expensive stuff at 4k/5k/6k/10k
humble pulsar
some of those are probably too expensive
native wave
ha
but they are purely aesthetic stuff, and not gameplay oriented
be counterproductive to lock game mechanics behind such required grinds
though I do wonder if anyone's unlocked some of those high priced decos
rigid grotto
I mean it’s cosmetic right?
native wave
as far as I know
rigid grotto
It is if it’s the gems
native wave
yea, that's what I'm referring to
rigid grotto
I don’t really mind the absurd prices
I much prefer that they be only cosmetic, rather then fated authority, which has similar prices but actually affects gameplay
native wave
true, though in my experience fated authority isn't so useful once you get to >5
granted, I haven't ran any of the heats that require removal of boons
or less boon choice
might speak to the balancing actually, because I feel you can make almost anything work at this point
which is a good thing imo
rigid grotto
It’s good for forcing duos
native wave
ahh yea I could see that
rigid grotto
Although most of its value is early game
native wave
definitely
when trying to line up synergy with whatever weapon you're running
poms are much more useful after a certain point
rigid grotto
I tend to use them on the miniboss because it’s always a boon, never coins
native wave
I use it when I'm gunning for status effects to proc
ehm
the darkness buff that gives dmg boost for 2 status effects
so when I'm trying to get Jolted or Exposed
rigid grotto
Privileged status
native wave
ya
rigid grotto
Honestly one of my favorite mirror upgrades
rigid grotto
Also makes supporting boons for your attack (rupture, blinging flash, etc ) much more fun
native wave
Doom procs privileged status as well, though I don't know if it counts towards when the doom dmg strikes
I was trying to pay attention last time I was running it, but couldn't tell
rigid grotto
It does
wet reef
yeah just try to say last boss for that
and yeah, after a succesful run you can get more things for more heat
quasi sleet
if you are exceeding, it will count you as having whatever heat u need for your bounty
so you will get all the rewards
you need to beat every boss to unlock the next bounty
tepid yacht
@fading lark hey, friend! please don't discuss spoilers outside of #h1-story-discussion!
the final boss is a huge spoiler.
native wave
oof :/
fleet schooner
Anyone know where I can change between the cosmetic looks of the lounge (e.g. the curtain colors)? I bought two of the different colors but can't seem to find a place to switch between them.
native wave
I was wondering that too
hexed smelt
i don't think you can switch like that?
tepid yacht
might be good feedback to suggest in #hades-feedback though!
vague bone
that's a shame, i bought the green ones but i kinda miss the red color 😛
fleet schooner
Yeah I'll put it in
brisk trail
Yeah for me after a while the contractor just gave me the option to return to red in exchange for some gems
fleet schooner
See I would ideally just want a list of all the options you have unlocked for this and be able to switch between them. I don't want to spend my resources for something I've already unlocked and also not be able to go back to other colors.
sterile peak
is anyone else having troubles with the bug reporter crashing the game?
round oar
Hey everyone, I know this question may sound weird but who/where/could I ask to have reference pics or concept arts or whatever of a certain character? I would need it for a drawing I'm making lol
vale drift
Hey, we haven't released concept art for the game yet though we have artwork for a number of characters on our web site here: https://www.supergiantgames.com/games/hades
round oar
Ah, I see. Thank you for the reply! I don't know how but I hadn't noticed there were artworks of the characters on this page lol
trim otter
survey type q: how many people are getting a legitimate adrenaline rush from playing hades? I get as pumped as a did while playing sekiro, but without feeling the urge to crush my controller in frustration
rigid grotto
I do
stiff trellis
I do
The earlier boss fights less so (extreme measures and snake oil time), but against the two lads and the final boss, definitely
gilded hawk
This game is crying for a parry mechanic, honestly
Or something like Sekiro's Mikiri
low venture
Can you still get the damage boost fr Hestia aspect if you've got Infinity Chamber?
ocean meteor
Infinity chamber has a manual reload still last i used it with hestia
rigid grotto
Athena’s boons and shields block are what you are looking for
It’s hard to make a parry that is both useful and also not spamable
quasi lodge
anyone else thinks stygius aspects are too weak?
patent umbra
Nemesis and poseidon are very strong
jovial nimbus
I would say Nemesis is more repliable than Eris Aspect on Rail. Right now that's the worst aspect to me to invest into.
Zag Aspects however are a different story. I don't know what the devs team wanna do with them. Are they intentional to be such basic in order to highlight the other gods' aspects? And then they will change/buff Zag Aspect(s) in later update to keep up with the others?
gilded prism
Poseidon's aspect works very well with Artemis, esp her damage when cast gets dislodged one
quasi lodge
i can see there are some nice combo. but the thing is stygius special is now very dangerous to use.
jovial nimbus
Yeah it will take time for you to adapt with its delay now.
quasi lodge
I find it very hard to play without Athena Boon (dash ) using stygius in high heat runs now. And I can't just spam special when dashing into enemies cause I may get big hits after one careless special.
jovial nimbus
Also maybe because the "frenzy" heat is much faster now?!? 🤔
quasi lodge
yes. the new shockwave Daelues upgrade is good. but the shockwaves don't apply boons effect s(it will be too op if so) and the shockwave don't get the foes to stagger
maybe..
but I do think the special is way weaker..
or am I playing it wrong?
brisk trail
Level 3 Heroic Thunder Flourish: 80 damage. 👀
Surely I can get mileage out of Chaos Aspect with this.
Wait, Aspects still hate Zeus.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I like that we have to be more careful with our Specials.
There are still totally Stygius builds that faceroll the game, but now they take more than spawning into Double Nova.
jovial nimbus
@quasi lodge the special is not weaker, just the way it deals dmg is changed. Now the sword special takes a bit of time to happen/deal dmg (Zag needs to take time to roll and slam thw sword to the ground to make the nova happen).
Before, the nova happens right away, with Zag's busy doing a T pose for a bit of time. You didn't notice this vulnerability before because the nova pushes creeps away as well.
brisk trail
Styx just swapped a boon on me. I'm not sure when it happened.
I went into a challenge branch for Aphrodite and it gave me Artemis while the standard Artemis branch is now Aphrodite.
brisk trail
Super Elite Nemean Chariot just fed me dirt in an Erebus chamber. Ow.
limpid goblet
I think the game is better now
Since some aspects are actually challenging
Not the weapon aspects
Aspects of the game 😄
brisk trail
Try to exit to the surface with a build that'll get me a surefire 10 heat clear with the Rail and it crashes every time. Coooool.
vernal wasp
hey all
does anyone know if the hades updates are going tobe around new bosses/levels in the future?
onyx sigil
Afaik these are all the levels we’re getting
Take a glance at the roadmap from inside the game
gilded hawk
Honestly though I kinda doubt that
Unless the ending is literally "Killed final boss, left hell, found mom", which sounds surprisingly straightforward for Supergiant
Could be an arrangement like what TBOI does, putting a "Final" boss and after beating him enough times/satisfying some stuff you get another boss
onyx sigil
I think that you’re probably correct, it sounds to me like it will take you winning the game X times in Y different ways to achieve goals Z on the surface, which there might be more than one
wet reef
I think games like slay the spire and dead cells do these things as well
Like
Sure this is not these games, but a roguelite/like without "" dynamic"" endings would be a bit weird
fiery skiff
spark marten
I can't get enough of Meg... I want her to leave Hades's domain with Zag
crimson hinge
i feel like allowing you to change the aspect of your weapon at the end of boss fights would make this game a tad more convenient. cause i never, ever, get good cast boons when im using the third aspect of the sword
but i get them quite often when using ANYTHING ELSE
talk about bad luck
rigid grotto
Artemis keepsake my friend
crimson hinge
wow, you dont say. blowin my mind here, friend
but yes i am aware
though she never gives me the dislodge boon
thats what makes he hecka sad, friend
oh hey, how does the final mirror upgrade work, like, how does the boon reroll thing work?
cause i just need one more key to get it
lusty wasp
you can press a key to change the room reward offered when you stand in front of the door
but its a bit less useful than that sounds since the game gives 2 types of rewards for rooms and you can not switch between them
like 1 type only for rewards relevant to the run and another for the meta currecy stuff
(so cant reroll darkness into a boon for example)
crimson hinge
well, yeah, i figured you'd just be rerolling boons into other boons
still usefull enough, i suppose. though i dont think its worth purple keys
maybe like 20 red keys, since thats what one purple key is worth
as apposed to 3 purple
lusty wasp
iirc it used to cost 24 keys?
crimson hinge
i dont know why they changed it to purple keys. its kinda a waste
lusty wasp
or was it 36 or sth like that
crimson hinge
i would still rather spend red keys rather than purple
lusty wasp
i mean i unlocked every aspect at lvl1
and upgrading zag aspects would cost 4 keys, any other aspect 15
so the 3 isnt too bad
i mean upgrading to lvl5 ofc
crimson hinge
thats neat, but thats aspects for weapons, not a mirror upgrade
lusty wasp
yea but it means to me missing 3 keys doesnt sound as bad
crimson hinge
it does when you wanna upgrade everything and are just getting used to the game
it changed quite a bit since i last touched it
lusty wasp
like 1 run is about 2.5 keys on average(since i always buy whatever is offered last shop)
crimson hinge
assuming you wind
win
i already have all the keys for the base run, now ive gotta do heat runs
for them keys
i still need to get the third aspect for rail, and achiles for spear
and then i wanna upgrade them all
my point being, i just think its dumb that a reroll in mirror is 3 purple keys instead of just red, like the others
lusty wasp
also an additional info - the darkness cost for the last mirror upgrade is really high anyways
lusty wasp
1k/2k/3k/4k/5k/10k/20k/30k/40k/50k
crimson hinge
yeah im fine with that
its a darkness sink, and id like to have that
cause i have nothing else to spend it on
and im not getting any offers at the shop to trade my darkness for anything else i want
lusty wasp
yea sadly i see nothing that way either
crimson hinge
oh well, time to sacrifice three purple keys, then
looks like the other two aspects i want will have to wait
lyric talon
It's been months since I had so few keys. I've been trading them in for gemstones.
iron plaza
Does anyone know if the projectiles from Piercing Wave are affected by the crit bonus from the Nemesis aspect?
brisk trail
Not last I tried it.
crimson hinge
Waves suck, dont get em. They dont scale with boons
hexed smelt
that's not the question that was asked, doodly
iron plaza
Another (possibly dumb) question: If you have Impending Doom and Merciful End, do you get the bonus damage from Impending Doom if you trigger the doom with Merciful End before the time is up?
gilded prism
Dunno man, they work pretty well against enemies you don’t want to get close to
Like exploding carts and smol rats
(Talking about waves)
humble pulsar
you do I believe (get the bonus Doom damage)
same with any dire misfortune stacks afaik
iron plaza
Yeah, I assumed it did because of the Dire Misfortune thing but it seemed like it wasn't when I also had the Aphrodite duo boon that makes your Doom hit weak foes twice.
rigid grotto
Impending doom is great now
humble pulsar
it was bad before?
brisk trail
Twice as long attack time was rough without ME.
humble pulsar
ive always loved it, free damage on your doom attacks and they last longer meaning free privilege status (and they do more than 2x damage)
it also works well with dire misfortune, longer time to apply more stacks
rigid grotto
It’s % based now
Sometimes it would decrease your doom dps
If you had a stacked doom special
gilded hawk
Oh yes, increased Thanathos chance in Asphodel
More bomb-throwing skeletons, that's exactly what I wanted Supergiant
vital onyx
I want to enjoy each patch but the notes are walls of text 
fallen laurel
OOH, I got spoiler :c
turbid jasper
oops
vale drift
Typical, please let me know if you have an example of a patch notes format you find preferable. We're always considering ways to improve the format.
fallen laurel
Hahaha, I can't unread it from my mind 😄
fallen laurel
It wouldn't help
halcyon heron
" Eternal Spear (Achilles): you now can retrieve the thrown spear normally, or with Raging Rush" THANK ZEUS
rigid grotto
I want to say get Logan to read them but I don’t think that’s realistic
fallen laurel
ehem.. Thanks, Supergiant*
vale drift
Ichoren we've done that the last several times for the Major Update patches though it hasn't been practical for these smaller ones.
turbid jasper
I was on my 11th attempt but man, he had 20% HP left ( || On the 2nd form || )
rigid grotto
Yea I really appreciate that btw
vale drift
We welcome the feedback though if it's something we find a lot of players are interested in.
fossil crane
Couldn't tell from the patch notes if this fixes the issue where you can't get bounties for lower heats if you initially cleared on a higher heat - really hoping that gets updated since I did my first run on each weapon on H5 and fear I may have lost a ton of chthonic keys because of that 😭
glad hound
heya, do we know how big of a download today's patch is 😊
chilly stump
Less than a gigabyte! 770mb on my update tracker. 👍
glad hound
ty!
harsh plinth
Is angering Athena in Elysium the literal worst.?
brisk trail
Basically.
mortal brook
Athena's wrath prolly needs to be reworked, maybe damage reduction instead of prevention
harsh plinth
I think it's fine every where else. But on shield guys and also the little respawn spirit they release can be invul is... a bit much.
halcyon heron
I don't know what we did to Supergiant Games for them to put the shield guys in the game
But I think it borders on abuse
gilded hawk
Shields in general are the worst thing to deal with