And I black screen flickered
#h1-discussion
grand crystal
just rail with zeus attack is good
limpid goblet
I prefer Dio
solar cove
I just had a crash in Asphodel. Bug Tracker opened automatically but it didn't indicate that the game had crashed. I close the bug report window and the game closed with it. I'm going to review my stream footage to see if I can identify what went wrong, but should I post this to feedback given that I can't report it properly now? or is there another place to submit this?
prisma wind
You should still submit that report when it appears, the save file and info that gets submitted with it is helpful to the SG team. A brief description of what you were doing is usually sufficient
solar cove
yeah I've submitted them in the past
I thought I somehow hit the hotkey by accident
like I said it didn't indicate that the game crashed / it opened automatically
I thought I accidentally opened it so I didn't submit (why submit when there's no bug, right?)
prisma wind
Ah, fair enough
torn quiver
Does after party work if you have the -100% healing pact?
prisma wind
I'm inclined to say no, but I haven't tested it, so ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
limpid goblet
Have yall had dash problems on mouse and keyboard?
torn quiver
I was offered it, but can't tell if offering a useless boon is part of the pact challenge
I keep getting stuck on terrain near walls while trying to dash with keyboard mouse
esp is tartarus
limpid goblet
Same
Also
If i que up too many commands
I dash at wrong directions
Which really destroys some of my plans and gets me hit
torn quiver
pots seems to be blocking me way more than before
Good bai
torn quiver
phew beat hydra with -100% healing. ended with 193 max life +5 revives so there was a bunch of actual healing though
radiant tangle
Made good use of Ocean's Bounty, I see
torn quiver
i actually had it on that run..
limpid goblet
Ive been trying to get that ambrosia one on my heat runs
torn quiver
its godly
limpid goblet
But all I get is attack and special
Great sad
Also, mega gorgon fight still sucks
torn quiver
i got carried by 8 blight dmg on autos with the new weapon with piercing
strong path
tbh megagorgon has been way easier for me
limpid goblet
Her rocks home now
torn quiver
megagorgon fight isnt fun though
strong path
true silent
limpid goblet
Well normal run mega gorgon is still ez pz
strong path
but i don't die to her cos of lag anymore so that's good
torn quiver
i wish the crushes worked more like mom's hand in isaac
it's so painful to bait them to attack
I just end up ignoring them
limpid goblet
Stand still, double dash
limpid goblet
Its a pain you have to double dash
torn quiver
unless they happen to land somewhere
limpid goblet
What if theres 7 bloodless?
And you dash into them waaa
I try to get em land to lava mostly, but thats tricky
prisma wind
You don't have to double dash to avoid damage, it's just harder with a single
limpid goblet
^o
torn quiver
oh I will have to try the lava thing
limpid goblet
They bamboozle themselves
charred yoke
lol
tardy patio
Just got a good deal at the store - 67 darkness for 1 ambrosia ๐
lethal sleet
Well, that is one hella downgrade to Zeus's Lightning Strike... Shame
From 20+ dmg to just 7. And it's Rare boon
small lake
Yeah, 2/3rds damage cut
small lake
Iโm still advocating for it to scale off damage amping Chaos boons in exchange
Mostly since itโs only useful on low damage weapons anyways
small lake
It already gets affected by Skull Earring and Artemisโ Pressure Points
ebon island
idk if I have patched correctly, can someone tell me the game version?
tardy patio
14081
ebon island
thank you :)
tardy patio
Started a shield run with conch keepsake
Cleared Chamber 2. The choices I have are poseidon boon, ares boon and chaos boon ๐
Frozen from indecision...
olive jungle
oh proxy.
tardy patio
Erm, I froze, not the game ๐
sterile latch
coloring on the mirror signify anything?
tardy patio
Which coloring exactly? The greenish text?
tardy patio
I don't think it means anything
sterile latch
I would assume red for debuffs but there arn't any in the mirror?
tardy patio
None
tardy patio
Hm, I rpeorted a bug, but it might actually not be
When reloading you cannot walk, but you can still dash
The description for reload actually says that you can't fire, not that you can't move
patent locust
Hi, can someone makes a custom translation of in-game texts in order to help with localization?
olive jungle
Since the game is still in Early Access, I feel like it's a little trickier...I know there were some fans talking about a Japanese translation before, but you'd have to be ok with being spoiled for future content and such.
The game's text is very easy to modify, though. I don't know about an official localization, but you could do something on your own, as long as you didn't mind seeing future content.
patent locust
Thank you!
foggy kiln
Is it META to start with a Gods keepsake based on whatever weapon you've picked in order to "choose" not just your weapon, but a starting Boon?
I literally just realized that's probably the main thing those are for...
frosty mountain
yeah, it is
there is a pretty clear "best in slot" damage boon for most playstyles, so if you're tryharding, you're really looking to getting it asap
sick tree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIUq0pfAskU
Probably best to watch Red's Dionysus video before this one, and maybe the Eros & Psyche one too, to give full context
but it's interesting regardless
Just encase you were under the misguided assumption that the Greek pantheon were, at least mostly, straight forward and clearly defined
๐
deft ferry
Hey guys i have a question ( my english is not really good... )
Where can i look my speed records ?
void vigil
i think you can only see them when you complete a run
tepid yacht
coworker: is that a dusa plushie
me: looks at stuff
me: what
coworker: dusa? is that dusa?
me: dusa? from hades dusa?
coworker: yes
me: this is temmie from undertale
alpine stratus
JXJCJCJVKG TEMMIE DUSA
tepid yacht
"hOI!! im dusa!!"
alpine stratus
AAAAA
tepid yacht
"mmmmmm....dusa wanna get a gift for zag but gotta pay for cool leg"
alpine stratus
hghvnghghg
livid cargo
brb tweeting toby fox
rotund wolf
Do you think she means splitting bolt or support fire
fiery pebble
Wait is the AMA in 3 minutes?
distant umbra
@remote ember your question about ideas for the community is actually a legal bloody nightmare in most cases
Nobody really cares for indie games
But legally, you can't just "take" people's ideas and implement them in your game without remuneration
thin beacon
looks like orpheus face reveal soon 
vale kite
sqjhf i had a question but someone said it before me
distant umbra
You can get sued by the govt for unregistered labour
fiery pebble
But game mechanics cannot be trademarked and as a result, can be taken as anyone wishes
distant umbra
That's not what I mean UNO
It's not about Copyright
It's about labour unions and such
But again, nobody cares for Indie Games
fiery pebble
Again, no thats not how it works
hexed smelt
Guys, this really isn't the place for this conversation.
distant umbra
Why not? 
fiery pebble
It isnt, but to put it short, no you cant
distant umbra
Very constructive
karmic basalt
I assume it fits more in #off-topic-discussion now
distant umbra
Sure
hexed smelt
Because this is a channel for general discussion of Hades. This isn't about Hades at this point.
fiery pebble
Ok I now want that miniature dolphin
slate thicket
#minidolphin2020
burnt osprey
1000 heat run reward: Singing Mini Dolphin
deep blade
Loool
sick tree
Damn it, I was half way through writing a question for the Q&A when they closed it
fiery pebble
Oof
sick tree
deep blade
Dude I can barely do a 6 heat run
hexed smelt
i asked two questions and thus far had one answered, i'm pleased.
fiery pebble
My question got answered
And its a surprisingly mundane answer
Now I just want Hephaestus to have a russian accent
thin beacon
did anyone asked michael about his mustache
radiant tangle
Yes
hexed smelt
ok nvm that's two-for-two i'm very pleased.
brisk trail
Darn. Missed the chance to ask. Oh well, next time. :3
hexed smelt
catch me crying forever about that "made of porcelain" remark!!
sick tree
I got one question out but they've not answered it yet and I suspect they'll just say something along the lines of: sorry, we don't want to reveal that yet
but it is one of my main sticking points with the game so far
radiant tangle
I just realized I'm the guy that goes to a panel and asks about ships
fiery pebble
I wonder if modding this game is gonna be possible
I really want that miniature dolphin now
Or they could give us an easter egg where sometimes the room after Meg contains a small singing dolphin
radiant tangle
Purchasable in the Well as room decor
fiery pebble
YES
remote ember
@distant umbra splutters HOW can you say that?!!?!?!? "No one cares about indie games"?!??!!? Come on! Look where we are! Isn't that insulting?!!??! ๐ค
distant umbra
In finance and tax evasion? Ye
We continued the discussion over #off-topic-discussion btw
jaunty falcon
so i have a weird bug
i delete my game
it gets deleted
i exit game
renter
it comes back
kinda spooky
livid cargo
you mean you wipe your save?
jaunty falcon
I delete my saved game from the main menu ingame
alpine stratus
you know what they say....there is no escape 
hexed smelt
[raises hand] i can answer that one!
hades doesn't actually delete your saved game when you hit the delete button, just in case you do it by accident
hexed smelt
it is a problem i run into whenever the mirror gets updated and i have to go screenshot the ui again x)
hexed smelt
depends on what you mean by "gg boons"
jaunty falcon
for example dmg reduction and poseidon ur rich now boon
hexed smelt
i mean, you could get those anywhere, it depends on how often you encounter that particular god
and what they decide to give
you're probably more likely to run into them in asphodel simply because by that point you've probably narrowed down your selection
for example, if you already have attack/special/cast boons from other gods, poseidon can only offer you ocean's bounty and sunken treasure, because you can't get his basic boons and his tier 2 boons rely on the basic ones
vale kite
something ive noticed lately while playing
when you find your first two gods in a given run, god trials tend to be about those two gods
livid cargo
Ehhh
hexed smelt
it can happen with the other gods too but i've primarily noticed it with poseidon because he likes to show up in asphodel a lot for me for some reason
vale kite
like i had a run with ares+artemis as my first two gods and literally every god trial ive seen later on were those two
hexed smelt
it's kinda handy when ares "runs out" of basic boons to offer you because then you're more likely to get urge to kill
well. guaranteed, really.
jaunty falcon
Exploding spear + poseidon bonus dmg and knockback is just so good
vale kite
how does it work if the spear explodes behind an enemy somehow
is it pulled towards you
jaunty falcon
it no longer gets pulled
its like a heat seeking missile
that throws those bomb dude at lava
:3
dudes*
halcyon root
Has it released on steam?
hexed smelt
they're not releasing on other platforms until the game is out of early access
jaunty falcon
lvl 8 poseidon specail
+295% dmg :3
190-200 that becomes 400-600 with crit
:3
in aoe
solar coral
Hey does anyone know what Dionysusโ legendary is?
I hope it is a chance to transform enemies into dolphins
void vigil
unfortunately no
solar coral
๐ซ
void vigil
but please take actual legendary talk to #h1-builds-and-combat !
vagrant narwhal
Is there a way to help with translation to other languages?
woeful kite
I thought Hypnos was a woman until today when the story mentioned it was a guy
who knew
vagrant narwhal
What made you think that he is a woman?
livid cargo
His voice can be construed as feminine
burnt pond
Hammer and mace seem a little redundant.
frosty mountain
nice name dino
frozen arrow
Bolin
minor hornet
I want the 6th weapon to be the transistor
vague oar
oh wow I just got a poseid legendary
that's new
also a sword that turns the game into some turnbased action game seems cool lol
woeful kite
@vagrant narwhal Yea it was just the voice. Never looked too closely and assumed it was a womans voice that's all
rancid crown
Damn Mejwell, that actually sounds like a genuinely good idea. Not even kidding.
Btw guys, i have an issue with spear in that i never use Y (the throw). Ever. It just feels like a waste of a button to me. Any advice or is it just bad? Its so slow and feels clunky to me
signal spoke
they actually just gave the spear special a quality of life buff and ive heard some say its a lot nicer, have you tried it on the new patch?
fiery pebble
And given that it already was good pre-patch, that should make it really good now
Odd that it and not shield special is getting buffed so much
frosty mountain
probably because it's ranged?
I'd say something like that some weeks ago, but with rail out, range is pretty common
idk, shield special did get some neat qol on some of its upgrades
fiery pebble
I mean spear special is also ranged
frosty mountain
you're very correct and I though we were comparing to the spin
it's really late I'm sorry
shield special did get some qol goodies tho
regarding Madcar's question, I've been trying it a bit lately, and it feels much better
signal spoke
i have hardly ever used the spear so i wouldnt really know, hoping to test it more soon
frosty mountain
most of the upgrades are really juicy
idk how hard they nerfed explosive launcer, but it used to be suuuuuper good
fiery pebble
What was it after the rework?
prisma wind
I feel that Shield special and Spear special have both benefited from significant QoL improvements with the latest patch(es)
fiery pebble
On one hand, yes, on the other hand Shield special has systematic problems that cant be addressed by mere QoL improvements
sterile peak
I haven't really been paying attention, have any other characters other than Athena gotten animated portraits yet?
prisma wind
I think they all do now
I know for certain Dionysus does, his cup does a floaty thing
hexed smelt
the olympians and also hades now have animated shiny halos
sterile peak
I keep thinking that dusa has a new conversation but no, she she she forgot something, she has to go
prisma wind
Yeah, the "permanent" exclamation over her head is misleading
That is, she does the surprised animation and then the exclamation appears
cerulean iris
it's a little disquieting that Athena's is still the only portrait that blinks
prisma wind
She's watching your every move, and she disapproves 
radiant tangle
The owl blinks too which is cute
hexed smelt
i want artemis's little birdies to blink as well someday ;3;
cerulean iris
i like the halos (and Chaos'... effect) but i hope the Olympians get individual animations as well
hexed smelt
one of my favourite minor details about chaos's portrait is how they seem to be pulling down the darkness aroudn them with the hand that isn't, y'know, holding marble-earth
like that
cerulean iris
OOOOOOH
hexed smelt
yesssss
the hands are so good in hades
i just. super like how they're drawn.
also speaking of hands, raise your hand if it took you way, way too long to recognise that poseidon's circlet is a pair of lil seahorses, not jsut a bunch of coral
โ
hexed smelt
horsies!!!
olive jungle
i was today years old when i realized
radiant tangle
Yeah!
radiant tangle
๐ด ๐
frail lake
I'm not sure if that's the right channel for this and someone probably asked this already but is Ashley Barrett going to do vocals for any of the Hades songs?
prisma wind
The official response is that they'd love to, but nothing has been announced
It's in the Q&A channel somewhere, I can see if I can find the response
frail lake
oh, okay. Thanks for a quick answer
tawny pollen
what does festive fog do
olive jungle
It does damage over time in an area and disorients enemies
somber quiver
I thought it only did initial damage? Though a decent amount of it
tawny pollen
i hope theres going to be more than 6 weapons
and i also hope the game is long enough that we can start stacking boons
bc we'll need it
void vigil
I think it only does initial damage
but it does stun enemies, and slows them if you have the T2 boon for that
tawny pollen
is blight wine a little OP or what
bc with a fast hitting weapon it can quickly overtake your dps
night turret
Naaaah
tawny pollen
or at least augment it significantly
night turret
It's on point now that zeus is nerfed
tawny pollen
oh what happened?
night turret
Zeus attack was nerfed to.... 11-15 damage I think?
hexed smelt
re: festive fog, literally every time i get it in a boon i forget to look at hat the effect says lmao
night turret
... Sparrow, are you giving out crits now?
hexed smelt
:3c
sick tree
Honestly, I don't pay that much attention to the damage numbers so I could be totally off about this assumption, but I don't think Zeus' over all damage was the problem, I think they just forgot to account for how it would scale when they increased attack speeds and added that enormous AOE attack with the gun, and festive fog
I realise it's a lot more work than just reducing the damage but I think what they really should have done was rework how damage is distributed, when using AOE attacks vs direct single-target attacks
hexed smelt
@night turret no! i hit a wider area and do more damage, but i do not crit ;P
night turret
Awww, always mistake those two together. Actually fits even better.
prime shore
I hope they do more for the god of insanity side of Dion
sick tree
Yeah, that's why I was so disappointed when they unveiled him
prime shore
yea same
I mean wine and poison is all good but them being drunk -> insane
would be cool
sick tree
His boons are good, mechanically, but they're not very creative, if you ask me
prime shore
yea
no doubt mechanically he rocks
Wine seems so...trivial u know
Insanity (induced through wine) would be way cooler
oh damn essay incoming lol
sick tree
I feel like Zeus, Ares and now Dionysus are too similar in their function, they just increase damage instead of introducing an interesting status effect that could change your playstyle
I mean, obviously they should increase damage, just to keep a steady difficulty curve
But Artemis and Athena do that while also having interesting extra effects
rotund wolf
I wonder if I should force myself to get used to her dash
prime shore
(shield bash dash)
hexed smelt
y'know, everyone talks about athena like her boons are The Best Ever but i don't find deflect that interesting
sick tree
Hell, even if they just made Festive fog Dionysus' primary effect, I'd be reasonably happy, since it impedes enemy movement which is fairly unique
rotund wolf
admittedly deflect is less necessary on bull rush now
prime shore
Deflect makes the fury a cakewalk
rotund wolf
but I think the main deal re: Athena is the highest damage
outside of a very lucky artemis build
sick tree
I hate Athena's dash boon but all her others are great, if you ask me
deep flame
Hey quick question. What do the small skull emblems mean that are on doors?
rotund wolf
I think the dash is good it just goes against everything I've learned about playing the game thus far
It means a higher reward, usually(maybe always) in a harder room
deep flame
Thanks
deep flame
Ok so just always go in to the skull ones if you want better rewards?
rotund wolf
and think you can handle the fights yeah
grave knot
just something i noticed
why when you buy thing from the pot the things to decorate your room is more than i ever have?
im never seem to have enough gold on me
sick tree
There are a couple of boons and a mirror upgrade that increase the amount of money you start with
A couple of Poseidon's boons increase the amount of gold you earn
and you can always just seek out rooms that give money as a reward
minor hornet
there is also a glitch that SHOULD be fixed where the pact that affects prices gets applied multiple times
sick tree
It'll still take a while, but you'll get all the decorations sooner or later
minor hornet
if you take the wallet keepsake and max out the starting gold in the mirror and don't spend money on anything else, it's fairly easy to have enough to afford the aphrodite scroll
it might not be a successful run overall, though
sick tree
Very unlikely you'll be able to afford it that early on in a run
but those pot thingies are pretty common, you should see several throught the run
but, starting with 100 or so, you should be able to afford Aphrodite's scroll around the time you face Meg
Hope that's all useful @grave knot
minor hornet
good luck!
fluid lily
When did they change Megaera's OST and why, for the love of the gods, would they? The Painful Way fits her perfectly.
vale kite
she has two themes
jaunty falcon
how r u guys using Dinosyeus ?
so far his after party epic is the only thing worth getting
radiant tangle
The ambrosia max health boon is insane, and the blight wine stacks up very quickly if you get it on epic level
fiery pebble
His poison boon is the best boon for fast attacking weapon now that Zeus got kneecapped
brisk trail
Hey what was the key to report bugs again?
vale kite
f10
brisk trail
thanks
vale kite
hades update dubbed "the bad times update" that introduces sans
brisk trail
dont even say that plz
:(
I dont need a 60 heat Sans fight
Why did equipping the sword just give me +10% crystal bonus?
hexed smelt
that's the dark thirst effect, it's applied to one random unused weapon at a time
minor hornet
A weapon that you didn't use in your last run will be randomly selected to have the "dark thirst" bonus, which is signified by the dark purple stuff floating around it
whast @hexed smelt said
hexed smelt
dude i was still in the channel what need was there to ping me
radiant tangle
Do you not remember when I made DionySans in #fan-works?
minor hornet
oh sorry I didn't mean to do that, just meant to mention you for credit
real rain
Why am i in this discord u never asked to join.
rigid grotto
I did ask to join what do you mean?
rigid grotto
an extremely good rougelike from the makers of bastion, pyre, and transistor\
flint gust
Hangover: Hades
brisk trail
Oh man, I just got this game right after work today and it's amaziiing
As much as I love these devs, I was honestly a little worried on if they could pull off a Roguelike. I'ts so different from everything else. But then again, their games are all very different. I should have more faith in them
tulip locust
"Welcome, homeboy."
โHades
spring cipher
Big pog
brisk trail
Man I haven't seen Athena's boons for so many runs/rooms I'm starting to wonder if there's a bug
covert glen
try the athena trinket
brisk trail
would if i could
sterile peak
my one complaint about hades is that there's no way to hide parts of the hud for screenshots
brisk trail
topaz lake
hey go you guys know if hades is gonna get released on anything other than the epic games store
brisk trail
You should read #hades-faq before asking an obvious question... https://i.imgur.com/pW7ELSc.png
oh damn, at last after five more runs athena showed up
jaunty falcon
https://i.imgur.com/yLLge4E.png iam living the dream atm
ruby palm
h o w
jaunty falcon
RNG
brisk trail
I posted this on feedback: "Chthonic Vitality feels quite worthless. Even if it has a low price for a low reward, the low reward itself already makes it something to ignore."
I would like to know other's opinions on this as well other than the voting in there
(Chthonic Vitality: +1/2/3 HP when entering a chamber, 10/30/80 Darkness)
void vigil
any more than 3 would feel overpowered to me, personally
hexed smelt
cthonic vitality, the way i play, serves a couple purposes: it allows me to offset small mistakes such as getting chomped by a numbskull, and it also mitigates the cost of chaos boons
i don't get hit often but when i do it's nice to know even if i don't get any snacks i can still gradually get my health back up
it's not a massive game-changer the way death defies or extra dashes are but it's a nice little convenience to have
brisk trail
But you barely get any. There's really not that many chambers to make use of healing per chamber and you already have much better healing options (centaur heart, snacks boon, poseidon, sisyphus, charon snacks, dusa trinket), so I find darkness is better spent on pretty much any other perk
hexed smelt
i've got darkness coming out my ears, bro, what else am i gonna use it on
signal spoke
i think its actually extremely cost efficient
brisk trail
well, ideally, you'd want to make the player think on what they want to upgrade first. Of course once you've maxed out everyhing you prioritized you're not gonna care on what you spend it on. That is besides the argument.
@signal spoke it is fair for the price i belive, it's just the perk is so small I do not consider it worth buying anyway
proven briar
Idk when you start out you shouldnโt be investing in chthonic vitality right
hexed smelt
taking the dusa keepsake locks me out of taking a keepsake i would rather be using. taking health at sisyphus means i can't pick gold from him so i'm less likely to be able to buy items i want. centaur hearts, i get enough of those anyway
brisk trail
and spending darkness on chthonic vitality stops you from spending it on some other perk. same argum,ent there
hexed smelt
oh no, i'm never getting back that 120 darkness.
idk what to tell you my guy, i think it's a worthwhile upgrade to take
brisk trail
well you could say just that without trying to be passive-aggresive
hexed smelt
i.... didn't think that came off as passive-aggresive, but okay
fiery pebble
I mean look at Chthonic Vitality this way
It adds up to around 75 health over the course of a run ,give or take
Thats quite significant
burnt pond
Plus you can even just invest 2 points in it, which gives you 2/3 the value for 1/3 the cost.
radiant tangle
Depends on playstyle. Most people prefer bow, and sword personally fits the best for me
oblique junco
hm. honestly not a huge fan of the bow, at least not without the rapid fire upgrade
radiant tangle
And that's fine, not every weapon fits everyone's personal preferences. It would be impossible to make every option viable
*Viable for everyone
craggy sierra
Personally, Varatha did seem really strong compared to the others when I first got the game a couple of months ago. Decent basic attack chain with nice range (That absolutely destroys with a Poseidon knockback buff - then and now), the AoE charge is nice, and the Special being something that pierces on both the initial attack and recall (yay, backstab damage!) is also really good. Even when hunter dash was a big meme, I was never too much of a fan of the bow. I can see its appeal, but having to almost stand still to do damage other weapons could reliably match didn't feel like too good of a trade off for the range. Aegis... was kind of just there. It needed the recently-added option of Mirage Flight.
Things are closer now, though. And I've been having fun with Exagryph so far.
hexed smelt
spoilers, buddy
crisp grove
My bad. You can delete that message.
Already done lol. Sorry wasn't even thinking about it. Was excited to actually get that far.
fair bone
gotta love when you see that yarn and yet no chance for a boon
sterile peak
I still don't understand why people like the bow\
spear master race
the adamant rail turned zagreus into rambo
two numbskulls spawn
"MULTIPLE FOES SIGHTED."
prisma wind
Bow has consistently given me my easiest victories, that's probably why I like it
Spear is a close second
solar coral
Sorry for showing up late to this convo, but cthonic vitality, in my opinion, is actually very useful. Before keepsake leveling existed, the options for increasing health were much more limited, but max cthonic vitality offers around 60+ hp over a run, depending on map generation, which seems like a decent amount for the investment
prisma wind
You should get at least 75 HP out of maxed Chthonic Vitality
Barring exiting a room with already-max HP
livid tundra
Yes! I finally bought Hades! Going to give it a shot later today.
Speaking of shots. Why does Zagreus uses a gun like thousands of years before gunpowder was invented? Seems a little odd
olive jungle
~god magic~, one can assume
tawny pollen
Varatha augment that does special +50% damage and guaranteed crit on return? With how easy it is to backstab? Obscene
Especially with how some special boons can scale, some like
+60%
livid tundra
That was amazing! I made 5 runs with only the first wearpon - and every each one of them feelt like a different game! Different set of boons radicly transforms gameplay: how I percieve my wearpon, what tactics do I use.
I can see how I will be playing this game for year and a half every week and not get tired of it.
Supergiants created something golden here.
young zenith
One of my favorite parts of the game so far is how active playing with the shield is. A lot of games donโt take advantage of how offensively a shield can be used and just become boring counter-fests waiting for everything to hit you. In Hades, the shield is one of the most agile weapons and it feels fantastic zipping around and balancing your charges with blocking. And because of how you can use the shield charge to get right behind people, its also one of the best weapons to use backstab bonuses with.
rigid grotto
I assume you enjoy the sudden rush hammer upgrade
night turret
Sudden rush is like the only one nice upgrade
young zenith
I do! I havenโt used it much yet since Iโve only recently started using the shield more, I actually really like the one that boosts damage but removes knockback as well because it lets me charge right behind things for backstabs.
fiery pebble
Eh, there is a couple of decent upgrades
Sudden Rush is the only one thats good and fun though
The slow charge one just feels bad to use, and the shield special ones are largely wasted
red coral
Nooo mirage flight is a blessing, especially in huge hoard fights or combined with an Ares boon
fiery pebble
Thats the one that causes the throw to not lock you out of your attack?
That one is fine, low-impact and you do need Ares for it to be really usable, but its not all that fun
Its niche is also kind of covered by the charge
rigid grotto
the only time i use shield special is to bounce it off the wall and kill numbskulls with backstab damage
red coral
Lol we have different definitions of fun then cause I have a blast with Mirage Flight in use
I also build pretty Ares heavy setups though haha
fiery pebble
I guess so
Its just that you dont actively do anything with the shield special
You just press the button and it does the job for you
red coral
And itโs wonderful for low-to-mid skill players like me haha
Now that Iโm better though my success rate with the spear has improved a ton, and thatโs much more of a finesse item
fiery pebble
Sure I was more talking about fun
young zenith
I enjoy mirage flight as well, especially if Iโve got a good special boon so it can debuff enemies while Iโm attacking them. My main issue with it is if it misses due to a bad throw it takes so long to come back and try again
red coral
Ahhh yeah thatโs real
To avoid getting into any spoilers tho Iโm gonna move this discussion to #h1-builds-and-combat
glass socket
Hmmm I think Aphrodite is trying to scam me. No way her wall scroll is worth 8000 gold. https://imgur.com/a/KPi9km1
glass socket
Well hopefully I'll find a rich billionaire in hell that can lend me a few pennies
glass socket
I'm in a browser. F10 doesn't do anything
void vigil
by the way, f11 takes a screenshot
young zenith
And for those using controller, the select button doesnโt do anything by default so itโs a convenient button use for screenshots. Can set it up in the options
At least thatโs what I did so I didnโt have to keep reaching over to my keyboard lol
hexed smelt
yeah, i have mine set to back on my 360 controller
screenshot, that is. i don't mind having to go keyboard for bugs
brisk trail
Hello guys, are you planning translate in-game text or voices in other languages ?
red coral
Check #hades-faq !
sick tree
Arrg! I keep accidently posting stuff in the wrong thread then having to copy it into the right one
what is wrong with my brain?!
onyx void
Is there a way I'd be able to post something in the feedback section?
onyx void
Got it, thanks 
brazen lake
any idea why im not allowed to make any feedback?
are they going through all the stuff they've already been told before getting new info or?
minor hornet
Read the pinned message in feedback
odd wadi
are you not in the early access role?
brazen lake
oh
hexed smelt
read the pinned message again
brazen lake
i didnt use to need that role
so i guess thats why that didnt process for me
thanks
my feedback has already been said, so i guess theres no need for me to post it again
limpid goblet
His patterns are easy to get used to
hexed smelt
guys
brazen lake
oopd
hexed smelt
||hydra|| is considered a spoiler in this channel, please move to #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat
brisk axle
agree, too much channels
brazen lake
ill just delete my messages then
hexed smelt
there are eight hades channels. three of those (info, patch-notes, and tech-fixes) aren't open for non-sgg users to talk in, and a further two (feedback and tech-support) are for feedback and technical problems as the names suggest
so there's only three channels, really, and that's not bad when you consider they do each have separate purposes
brisk axle
True, sorry
radiant tangle
Discussion is talking about characters and stuff like "Skelly is Achilles"
hexed smelt
yeah, basically gameplay is stuff like builds advice, this boon vs. that boon, yelling about mechanics, that kind of thing
this is a more general type of channel
prisma wind
Something like "Skelly is Achilles" would be #h1-story-discussion though, not #h1-discussion
brisk trail
Does a perfect landing at the start of a run affect anything?
prisma wind
It does affect the seed vs a normal landing, but doesn't necessarily make anything "better"
fiery pebble
Wait what
brisk trail
Are there any notable differences to the seed changing (normal vs perfect)? or what? Because simply changing the seed to another one doesn't seem like much purpose unless it makes it better/harder/some significant change
prisma wind
There are lots of small factors that effect the seed throughout your run. The most notable thing is that you can change your starting reward/offered boons
radiant tangle
But, considering you likely wouldn't know what you'll start with before the first room, that doesn't mean much
hexed smelt
i've never had the starting room changed between perfect and normal, and i've tested it
fiery pebble
Well if you give up you start with the same reward
brisk trail
Yeah, that's my thoughts too
winter river
where can I find Chaos? Its the only trinket I need still
limpid goblet
A place
prisma wind
They may have changed it, then, because it absolutely used to work
brisk trail
I don't see how changing the seed before the run starts is any different to normal
sterile peak
is there a button to disable the interface?
radiant tangle
Chaos Gates appear sometimes at random, there's also an item in the shop that makes a gate spawn
winter river
OH those things
fiery pebble
The gates themselves have black smoke emerging from them
harsh pike
If hera ever appears, she should talk down to almost every other god and should have keepsake that ups the appearance of god conflict rooms
just a weird idea
sterile peak
I love the little descriptions for some settings in the menu
"There is no escape...for your cursor"
brisk trail
I really wanna see Hera interact with Zeus in some way
hushed heron
i love how numbskulls are always glad to see you
narrow slate
Hey is there a place where people trade twitch stuff for Hadas?
Just don't want to be that spam guy and not sure the area
found it
rich swan
Is anyone else with a completely up to date game not seeing the rail with the other 4 weapons? Is there something you need to do to get it? A bug maybe?
hexed smelt
have you unlocked the others?
reef oracle
rich swan
Aaah that's tye issue then, thankiea
wanton hare
something fun to know if you didnt already
but every tick of blight triggers artemis legendary
every .5 secs on EVERY enemy will spawn a projectile
radiant tangle
That seems incredibly broken
wanton hare
not really
didnt feel as easy to run with compared to Zeus Attack on guns
But its very fun
radiant tangle
Fair
wanton hare
I did lose frames at one point tho lol
prisma wind
That sounds unintended ๐
wanton hare
3 of those column dudes were tagged and it spawned like 15 artemis projectiles that all simulatenously swirled cause they had no target
radiant tangle
I'd report that in #hades-feedback
karmic ibex
I've been looking through the files and I was just wondering if anyone knows where the images are found, I can't find them
olive jungle
They're compressed and packaged in .pkg files. You need a special program to get them out, and that program is currently not working.
karmic ibex
and where are they located?
olive jungle
Win
karmic ibex
ok thanks
hasty loom
Has anyone gotten to the point where any voice lines from gods or whoever have repeated? I've only played around 30 hours, but I still haven't heard a repeated one. Like, at all.
cloud dock
just a couple little situations yes, like repeated gifts and such but nothing that takes you out of it or wouldnt be expected, especially in alpha
hasty loom
ah, alrighty. I was actually hoping that some gift lines would repeat because sometimes I just like hearing the (impeccable) voice acting.
olive jungle
i've heard npc lines in the house repeat, but no boon lines have been repeated in one playthrough yet for me!
obviously when i restart i hear the same ones again ^^
hasty loom
sweet
grave knot
this might be the dumbest question . but since i dont know how it works here it goes. i got a new laptop and i dont know if i can save the progress and transfer . is that possible?
olive jungle
It's possible, yeah! your saves are stored in your documents folder. Documents\Saved Games\Hades
You can just copy the folder over to your new machine
hasty loom
Zag: "Good ol' Charon"
Charon: "Uuuuurgh"
fickle karma
Charon, Mate!
trail raven
Oh my god.
I just listened to the ost in game (Orpheus finally sang)
Goosebumps.
This is why I stan Supergiant games.
spiral canopy
ehy guys, sorry to bother does anybody know if the early access is supported on mac too? Don't wanna buy it if I can't play it like right now ahah
alpine stratus
nope, only windows for now!
umbral lodge
Haven't played this game yet; but how's Hades' personality in it ?
alpine stratus
he's a mean old dad!
umbral lodge
I loved that in Apotheon he was one of the only chill ones
hexed smelt
he's garbage and not the good kind
umbral lodge
I feel like he's kind of demonized in pop culture
hexed vector
hey guys, i've been having issues buying the game... and i feel a little bit silly asking here but honestly there is no way to find a solution on forums when there is only children complaining about vbucks transactions... my issue is that every time i try to purchase it tells me there was an error and the transaction has been voided
sterile peak
he's a 9-to-eternity working dad with a rebellious son
fiery pebble
Well, in this game he is nuanced
He isnt a bad person per se
But he was dealt a bad hand, and its clearly getting to him
brisk trail
@hexed vector you might get better attention in #h1-tech-support
hexed smelt
i mean that i don't like him because of the way he acts to basically everyone around him
hexed vector
okay, thanks @brisk trail
hexed smelt
"oh he's overworked"
umbral lodge
is there a linux build btw ?
hexed smelt
not at the moment, it'll come to other platforms and whatnot after the end of early access
says so in #hades-faq
uncut leaf
louts at max speed are TERRIFYING
radiant tangle
Louts are already frustrating to deal with, at any kind of speed they just become nightmarish
foggy kiln
I'm trying 15 Heat Runs and they are not bringing me joy at the moment. Lol
I'm trying to figure out what my "progression" in the game should be at this point.
I nailed 10 and 14 heat runs back to back and thought I was awesome but now after dying about 8 times in a row, I'm wondering if those couple runs I was lucky instead of good.
flint gust
Practice makes perfect
I tried a 20 heat run with damage only, tried it again another 7 times... so when I did switch off the heat, I got to hydra with all 3 of my death defiance and more than half hp left, its insane
brisk trail
Hey ! Its possible to have an "cheat" who allow me to have infinite soul ? i wanna test somethings but i dunno if it exist ^^
prisma wind
There's nothing in the game for that, no. Given enough programming knowledge you could probably modify the game files, though
sterile peak
who cares about perfect landings, the real minigame in hades is trying to click away the early access disclaimer so the title slash syncs with the music
alpine stratus
dashing to the piano in charonroom
wanton hare
This game hates me
Im trying to get aphrodites wall scroll but going for every coin room and 0 boons or hearts has left me with 733 gold (i stopped after 450 but no other rooms came up) and no wells have come up either
ive run out of death defiants and i have a boat room ;-;
radiant tangle
F
wanton hare
lost the 733 gold on the last wave of the boat room fml
brisk trail
Hehe
lapis cedar
I'm still stuck getting destroyed by ~things~
olive jungle
please don't talk about the final boss by name in this channel!
lapis cedar
edited
olive jungle
thanks ^^
alpine sable
I wish the sword special was just completely changed, it feels so underwhelming and laggy.
hollow heron
I think one option to make it better would be to give it something that the sword can't do
brisk trail
I'm personally overall not a fan of the sword whatsoever, but I don't mind tooo much since it's the starting weapon
And not something to aspire towards unlocking
hollow heron
the sword's gotten a lot smoother since release
vernal dove
lmao I just fought against 2 medusa heads after having chaos debuff for 56% more foes
Is this intended?
tough ravine
limpid goblet
The sword is the best on no heat runs
potent siren
I've gotten better as time passed and made it to Asphodel finally. I can't believe how calm i was in my latest run when fighting Megaera.
cloud delta
@vernal dove yeah i think so
grave knot
why is it that i never fought the medusa head? until like now ?
its kinda weird to me
now meaning after a few days of playing and going to asphodel quite a few times
cloud delta
i don't know
it feels like even though it's random, there are directions still
like going up leads to the river trespassing encounter and down is medusa head
but i stumble into each one quite often, so have no idea how that actually works
i had runs with 40 heat where no chaos rooms spawned or 20 with 5 or more(most of which i couldn't even enter)
so rng is at play definitely
grave knot
ah that would probably be a spoiler nvm
unkempt sleet
I think it's a special elite room, like the slam dancers in Tartarus
cloud delta
it is, the randomness is sorta unclear, that's basically all i said hehe
foggy kiln
Got my first 15 Heat run this morning!
...wasn't something cool supposed to happen afterwards if you successfully complete a 15 Heat run?
brisk trail
Hello
limpid goblet
Hello
brisk trail
quick info, since the last patch my game is crushing all the time and/or has very visible frame rates drops. It used to be smooth and never crushed before. Unfortunately i cannot post in tech-fixes and the suggested guide there does not apply to my case. What to do?
Intelยฎ NUC Kit NUC6i7KYK (Skull Canyon) this is my system
limpid goblet
The mods will save you
void vigil
you can post in #h1-tech-support !
brisk trail
ah ok, thanks!
void vigil
tech fixes is just for fixes
brisk trail
Thanks @void vigil
vale kite
le good times
quartz summit
Is there a reason I can't post in #hades-feedback I'm thinking maybe I'm too new to the group?
alpine stratus
please check the pinned messages in hades feedback for instructions on how to post!
quartz summit
@alpine stratus thanks
alpine stratus
peak crest
anyone else feel the new weapon weakens the flow of combat?
fiery pebble
Im not exactly sure what you mean by that
slender monolith
How does one get a green name :3
radiant tangle
Go to #bot-commands and read the pinned message
shadow rain
Hey guys, I haven't bought Hades yet, but I've been a big fan of all the SuperGiant games. How far can you get in the game right now? Is it a satisfying experience, or should I hold off until it's out of EA?
limpid goblet
It's still very good nice
radiant tangle
There's currently two zones out, of four planned, and it is well worth the price. It's absolutely a satisfying experience, and I recommend getting as soon as you can. The early access environment is very fun to be a part of!
void vigil
Iโve completed it a couple of times and itโs still fun, plus thereโs a ton of story content I havenโt seen yet! I think itโs a satisfying experience and Iโm also enjoying seeing it come together bit by bit, but if you want the complete thing, itโs better to wait. Up to you!
shadow rain
Good to hear! I figured SG wouldn't have something not-awesome on the market, but it's good to confirm. I was always going to buy it, but EA can be super hit or miss, I've found.
placid wave
Hades is an example of how all early access games should be. So many other EA games are released with broken UI, bug-ridden, and so incomplete so as to ruin the fun. Hades on the other hand is excellent and is only missing the 2nd half of the gameโs content. Love this game!
red coral
It depends on why you like to play their games. Do you enjoy them because they have good game feel and the act of playing alone is fun? Or do you play them for the art, music and story alone? If itโs the first one at all then definitely get it now, but if itโs the latter I would wait until the full release.
ashen sphinx
You want to be playing now, as the voice acting the put into the Narrator to explain why you get killed after beating the current final boss is... Hillarious... @radiant tangle
radiant tangle
:dab:
young zenith
if I might add onto what IceKube said, SG has also done a wonderful job of taking community feedback into consideration and also making swift patches. The EA version has only been out for two full months and we've already had fourteen patches, two of which were significant content updates, and the rest being really fast bug fix and balance updates. They even list which parts of the update were community suggestions, and haven't been afraid to undo stuff. It's probably the best EA I've ever seen, and is absolutely worth it if you're a fan of their other games, if only because you can get your input in there and be sure that it'll be heard
plain musk
Hm, Zeus and Artemis are really determined to for me to choose between them
3 rooms in a row are those two in a trial
And that just got me both of their legendaries
Nice
radiant tangle
Trials are, I think, always the first two gods you picked during that run
young zenith
That sounds right, because Iโve noticed the trials always seem to be Godโs Iโve seen before
radiant tangle
I know for a fact they're always gods you already have
plain musk
Was more just commenting on getting it three rooms in a row
radiant tangle
Yeah that is weird
void vigil
yeah Iโve had that
itโs so fun to get that lucky in a run
and then I had zeus keep showing up, despite all he had left to give me was money
olive jungle
he had nothing better to do that day, i guess, lol
void vigil
โIโm the better uncle btwโ
olive jungle
ironically, gold is hades' realm
so all the money the gods have was stolen from hades first, presumably used by humans, and then offered to the olympian gods gkjgfd
it's like the water cycle
foggy kiln
@radiant tangle Not necessarily the first two, but you are right that it seems to be Gods you've seen before. Last night I had a Trial of the Gods with Dionysus/Artemis, but Athena was my first Boon.
I am curious though... once you accept a Boon from one God, does it make their Boons more likely to show up overall?
hexed smelt
@grave crypt the feedback channel is for feedback, not for bug reports! please hit f10 and submit a report to supergiant
grave crypt
@hexed smelt My bad, was not sure if it was intended
hexed smelt
nope, aphrodite wall-scroll is supposed to be 500 obols
out of curiosity - i see from your screenshot that you're using 60 heat, is convenience fee one of those?
hexed smelt
hm. it looks like that might be the root of the issue then, because a few other people have posted with this exact issue and they've all had convenience fee activated
grave crypt
Could just be Charon abusing his monopoly tho ๐ค
brisk trail
If Zagreus met Hercules, would they be friends ?
sick tree
@brisk trail
Heracles, his name is Hera-cles, Hercules is the Roman version, they're actually quite different
Sorry, Disney lied to you, Disney lied to us all. 
and HERAcles brutally murdered Megaera (no, not that one, the other one, from the movie) and their children
so the happy ending is a lie too
He actually did his famous 12 labours in order to repent for doing it
hexed smelt
and then he melted to death from hydra-venom filled blood, yeah
sick tree
I his defence: It's kinda Hera's fault, she temporarily drove him insane and tricked him into murdering them
but he has no such excuse for murdering his music teacher when he was teenager because he sucked at playing the lyre
So no, somehow I doubt they'd get along,
Zagreus is a good boy~
quiet swan
Do Hades have a gift he can give?
fiery pebble
Not as of right now
quiet swan
I think it would be nice to have a keepsake that did something negative but bosted heat or something
maybe it could be a post-first-clear-thing that maxed the pact of punishment and did nothing else. If you somehow managed to beat the game with it you get the key to the underworld
marsh jackal
What do you think the easiest 120 heat combination is?
brisk trail
enemy damage and no healing. Just don't get hit, scrub
radiant tangle
That doesn't make 120 though
void vigil
new noclip doc tomorrow ๐
alpine stratus
I JUST CAME HERE TO SAY THIS.....YEAH
karmic basalt
๐
spare loom
Where can I send bug reports? ;o
signal spoke
you can use f10 in game to open the bug reporter
spare loom
Beautiful, thank you
short mica
I'm getting terrible fps drops since last patch, is this a known issue?
void vigil
@short mica that might be a better question for #h1-tech-support, also please no last boss spoilers in this channel !
short mica
oh, my bad, excuse me
marsh jackal
@short mica If your using heat it might be the enemy increase, that causes me to lag
wanton hare
whats the ideal sword set up?
odd wadi
i really like athena on sword attack for mass deflect
and at the hammer i always choose the rapid attacks one to get rid of the third swing
tepid yacht
๐ญ i do!! i do love my pet cerberus!!
wanton hare
alright thanks ill try it out
stoic bay
petting cerberus is the single most important update the game could ever get
sterile peak
I just ended the deathboat with no death defiances at 1 hp left
profuse sweating
And then Dionysus gave me After Party
THANKS DIONYSYS
tepid yacht
@stoic bay HARD AGREE
ashen sphinx
@wanton hare Sword Build for funsies - Hammer Fast Attack. Attack Boon Zeus. Special Boon - Poseidon. Dash - Titan Toppler Cast - Zeus/Artemis
marsh jackal
@wanton hare athena boon is also really good for sword special
thin beacon
i woke up to a vid of zag petting cerb i started crying
grave crypt
I just had an awesome run with the bow+explosive shot+artemis crit and dash attack stacking, chaos helped me with another 57% dash attack damage, and I was critting for 1600 damage in aoe, love this game
โค
lean ferry
Meg: hell-
Wingblade: oneshots
winter river
Whats everyones favorite god for each weapon? I've had goodish results with Zeus for Shield, Dyonises for Rail and Athena for Sword.
radiant tangle
Dio is my fav for rail but only so I can take his cast and have two mortars. As for the others: poseidon for bow, mostly for the special, but it also knocksback a ridiculous amount on attack; aphrodite for sword because I get up close and personal so the damage reduction is useful; zeus with spear for obvious reasons, even post nerf; and ares for shield because it makes the special deal a ridiculous amount of damage.
tough ravine
@marsh jackal well I finished my first 120 heat run yesterday
limpid goblet
ivory fractal
Poseidon is my current favourite for the Spear after I found out that knockback can also be used to drag enemies towards you on the special's return voyage.
marsh jackal
For me bow attack ares, special artemis/athena
sword attack athena, special athena/poseidon
shield attack poseidon, special ares/zeus
spear attack ares, spear special zeus
railgun attack dio, special artemis
Additional sidenote: dash attack on artemis is mad fun on bow/shield/spear because you can max your charge and dash to extend the range and it boosts the charge dmg, if you pair this with a daedelus charge upgrade you can do really good damage
@tough ravine What combination did you use for your 120 run?
brisk trail
Part 2 of the Noclip docu is online: https://youtu.be/rNaTxFf7McU
tough ravine
@marsh jackal
Stifling Darkest: infinity
Grim Inevitability: -80%
Pain Tolerance: +5%
Whipped Frenzy: +10%
the rest were maxed
I got a snap of the victory screen but donโt know how to post it
radiant tangle
Post it somewhere else and copy the link to post in here
minor nexus
ok i don't get it, is the sword op? i won the final boss again with the sword
thats like the only weapon i can beat it with
void vigil
please refrain from final boss spoilers in this channel! @minor nexus could you edit your message?
those discussions would be better suited in #h1-builds-and-combat
tysm!
minor nexus
its just weird, i feel like the other weapons are much stronger, but the two clears i have are with the sword XD
tough ravine
novel shadow
Can you use spoilers in the hades feedback section to give feedback?
olive jungle
absolutely!
shut crest
seeing myself in the noclip video when they watch streamers is 
rigid grotto
โMom get the camera Iโm on TV!โ
fiery pebble
There is something odd about hearing the SGG devs curse in the documentary
rigid grotto
โBlood and darkness, Amir broke the test build AGAIN!โ
night turret
Forbidden fruit of swearing in this hellenic channel?)
alpine stratus
i think they can be allowed ๐
hexed smelt
hey, parents are allowed to curse even if they tell the kids not to
fiery pebble
Well then why cant we? Were technically QA testers
Which is a kind of game dev-ish role
alpine stratus
mmmmmmnah
fiery pebble
Oh, gun used to be a weapon you could fire while moving
I actually kinda wish we got that
fiery pebble
But Im also happy with what we got
novel shadow
They may still want to do that. I think it'd be cool if we could get an akimbo revolvers weapons xD
fiery pebble
Nah, that weapon became the gun we know and love
Next weapon will be Demeters
My bet is scythe
novel shadow
Having a slower, hard-hitting scythe in a crescent arc, something that you'd have to master in order to do really well with, an advanced weapon, would be really cool.
rigid grotto
If you put in the time you will reap the reward of high dps
novel shadow
badum tss
spark beacon
I'm very glad we don't have a run and gun weapon
Dash and gun is perfect for this game's pace of combat
rigid grotto
Itโs more of a run or gun if you catch my drift
Dashing with the gun feels really odd for me
tulip lava
omg the drama
things are getting tense in the sgg offices
things are heating up
this is incredibly hilarious
i'm in the pro float gun camp
also the comedy of like, "various leads"
what leads there's just one animator
do they have titles in the sgg office like "lead writer" "lead designer" "lead animator"
"this is darren our sound designer-" "LEAD sound designer thank you"
smoky arrow
orchid nest
I felt guilty when Greg was talking about people complaining about the sword lol
my bad Greg
fiery pebble
Im pretty sure thats the whole point of feedback
orchid nest
I'm just kidding
smoky arrow
Does anyone else think a counter attacking god would be cool?
Like, an eye for an eye all Nemesis style.
fiery pebble
Athena?
empty obsidian
Taking damage is never going to be a valid strategy unless there is a way to heal
or the skill itself is broken
placid meteor
Just learned about the Discord channel from the NoClip doc that released, just wanted to say Hi and to keep up the great work ! Love your games! Can't wait to buy Hades on GoG after the Epic exclusivity period ๐
tulip lava
A kinda... vampire boon could be interesting
drains your health over time, fight enemies to regain it
Although that's not as gameplay changing as it would be in a traditional roguelike anyways
true mortar
@placid meteor give... them... your... money... NOW... ๐
tulip lava
Since you're already progressing through rooms defeating set waves of enemies
true mortar
you will spend some quality time with highly polished game as it is already
placid meteor
lol, I'm fighting the urge trust me...
true mortar
I know what you mean. I was like "epic launcher.... no way" but then I spent some time watching people playing Hades and here I am with epic
placid meteor
I'm willing to take the free games that epic is offering, but i haven't touched their installer yet...and i don't like their store UI
tulip lava
But something that reeeally favours close range, aggressive, high risk combat maybe
placid meteor
๐คท ...I hope Epic learns and updates their procedure quickly...but I don't trust them in regards to being a storefront yet...
tulip lava
Though that runs the risk of turning attacks into a dps war
smoky arrow
Risk-Reward essentially is what I was thinking
true mortar
I feel like Q from sword is damn close to risk-reward, the delay on thing
effect is great but damn that is SLOW
empty obsidian
yeah the Q on the sword does not feel great
smoky arrow
So what if they made a god that encouraged riskier playstyle? Dunno if that makes much sense.
empty obsidian
You got chaos, but there could be more
smoky arrow
Exactly
empty obsidian
i think gods could be more game changing
smoky arrow
Just a thought anyways
true mortar
I think they are doing good job with making your runs different. I mean I was half the run low hp with bow and then I picked up DIO's DOT on Q. That saved the run and gave me first clear with bow
untill that moment I was thinking that bow is worst weapon in the game ๐
Its all about the combo weapon-hammer bonus-boon
smoky arrow
I've been a fan of SuperGiant games for awhile, and the narrative aspect is what drew me to Tranistor and Pyre
But Hades has been a blast from a gameplay perspective
empty obsidian
yeah the hammer god i a great exemple of game changing booms
smoky arrow
I've been playing a game called Slay the Spire recently and it's really really really refreshing when every build is almost entirely different
empty obsidian
is*
smoky arrow
Hades brings that rogue-like joy in combination to the SuperGiant isometric world
empty obsidian
i have not killed the hydra yet, but i love the bow
smoky arrow
I did it once but only with the shield and Aphrodite
empty obsidian
did anyone make a tier list for the gods yet?
smoky arrow
Hmmm... I haven't seen one
true mortar
I havent seen one either but I think Aphro is top or at least very close. Weak effect is very strong cutting dmg in half
hexed smelt
aphrodite has the lowest damage buff iirc and weakness is useless once you're good enough at dodging
empty obsidian
i love zeus just for the bouncing right click
true mortar
Well I cant complain about my dodging but every bit you gain when you fail help, right? ๐
hexed smelt
the value in aphrodite is if you get the boon that ups damage to weakened enemies and it's luck-based whether you'll get it
true mortar
true but that one is very good
hexed smelt
not to say she's entirely useless, just that she's useful to different players
true mortar
I think I like her most with Dio and Ares close 2nd
Poseidon is terrible imo once you reach Aspodel
you knock witches onto lava.... making your life harder
vale kite
i see it more as a breather when i push like 5 armored witches far away from me while i deal with the rest of the enemies
and as they slowly come back i take them one by one
there is better but it's still fine
empty obsidian
the posion on attack is the berst one
the triple special on the bowgun is pretty good aswell
true mortar
@empty obsidian which one ? DOT from DIO or the Ares one?
oh right poison not a curse. my bad
empty obsidian
It depends if you have a slow or fast attack
both are good
ive only got the dot with the gun
brisk trail
I was really surprised by how different Avalon Penrose's Magaera performance sounded before mastering.
silk nebula
ever since launch i arbitrarily get this bug where halfway through the run zagreus will get locked into moving up and i can only break it by constantly moving or restarting the application altogether
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brisk trail
I'm p sure that's a Windows issue. I've gotten it once on Hades, but many times on various other applications.
sick tree
Just posted this in #hades-feedback but since people can't exactly reply to it in that thread, I figured I should put it in here so I can hear people's counter arguments in detail,
Not gonna argue about it, just curious what people's actual thoughts on the subject are:
I'd really like to see Dionysus' boons reworked
Don't get me wrong, they're very powerful and fun to use but they strike me as unimaginative, with very little utility effects to distinguish him from the other gods.
The game is at its best when the boons and Daedalus hammer upgrade you receive promote a compelling and unique playstyle that is wildly different from the strategy you'd employ with a different selection.
But at present, three of your seven Gods fulfill the same basic archetype: the damage dealer (Zeus, Ares and now Dionysus, specifically)
Yes, I know there are differences involving the timing and targeting Etc. Etc.
But they're not significant enough to feel like substantial factors in how you formulate your strategy in the heat of an intense run, they just blend together.
Yes, they have some interesting secondary effects in the boons that show up later but, typically, you have to take their Attack, Special or cast boon to access any of them,
Meaning I have to take an ability I find boring in the vain hope of being offered something more unique later on.
Obviously, increasing damage isn't the problem, it's necessary to keep the game well balanced
But you'll notice I'm not complaining about Athena, Artemis or Poseidon,
Because they do a little extra damage and reflect, knockback or do critical damage
Those effects are pivotal to making them feel distinct and promoting a distinct playstyle to go along with them,
Dionysus doesn't feel distinct,
He's the God of wine and MADNESS!,
That shouldn't be possible!
you couldn't come up with a more exciting game mechanic to reflect that other than 'he does a little damage over time'? (Loud exaggerated snoring)
Even if you made 'festive fog' his primary effect instead of 'blight wine', I'd be reasonably happy but considering the sheer variety of weapons and abilities you put into your previous games that really changed the 'gamefeel' I was expecting a lot more creativity from Hades
hexed smelt
you know you didn't have to repost the entire feedback, right
frosty mountain
It's an interesting conversation. I'll say I find Dio the best designed boons to date, I'll agree with the sentiment that damage scaling is not very interesting
I think this is the real meat of the feedback, imo
I don't think the way damage scales is particularly interesting. and when a boon gives you just that, I agree it can feel uninteresting
like, I'd much rather be changing my gameplan with new boons. Getting the ability to knock things back or be more defensive with defecting, is, I feel, more interesting
pastel nacelle
silly idea that they'll never implement: add the Kid and Red as playable characters that trade the Cast for some other special, like getting to use two weapons or the pause and play mechanic
did someone say DIO?
frosty mountain
kONO D I O
pastel nacelle
ZA WARUDO
frosty mountain
ahem
hexed smelt
personally my only issue with dionysus's mechanics is that it's kind of clumsy trying to get his legendary
frosty mountain
but dio overall is more interesting than most gods. has diverse and really flavorful boons, that are at times a bit more out of the box
I agree sparrow, but at the same time, I feel like all legendaries will see significant work as new biomes are introduced
hexed smelt
i like the way his cast changes the mechanic to s 'lob' style instead of a more direct shot, and his 'side' boons are quite interesting and very well-themed
frosty mountain
due to their deterministic acquisition method being really heavily influenced by the # of rewards you get. and longer run= higer # of boons
hexed smelt
true, true
frosty mountain
but for the current game, most legendaries are in a weird spot
because you often end up getting them just in time for hydra
while some of them help exlusively with roomclear (aphro/poseidon/zeus to some extent)
hexed smelt
yeah, that in particular is an issue with the game's current scope and as we get further into development that should ease off
frosty mountain
yeah, boons I feel will see a lot of future iteration
sick tree
I meantioned all that in the post, I'm talking about his basic Attack and special boons, and the cast one to a lesser extent
I'm neutral on the rest, but the way the game is set up, you're relatively unlikely to access many of them, unless you get lucky
hexed smelt
i think my main issue with dionysus's boons right now is that the damage over time effect really lends itself more to either a hit-and-run style or else to something like, say, his dash which'll apply it to more enemies at once if they're clustered
frosty mountain
man, boons are weird
true mortar
For me Ares with right boons feel like hit-and-run (kiting?) god with large blades and just dashing and watching your enemies got slowly cut to pieces
Not saying its bad but doesn't fit the "god of war" theme if you play him that way and it is highly effective
frosty mountain
I agree
ares does have a theme that revolves around plagues, I don't necessarily feel like it's that well explored through the curses
I feel really conflicted about boons as a whole at times
and it's hard to put in words
sick tree
To be clear, I'm not saying Dionysus's
boons are useless or terrible, mechanically
"they're powerful and fun to use"
But they don't feel like they're adding as much as they should, creatively
Are you really saying you want over a third of the Gods in the game to do subtle variations of the same thing
When Dionysus could do a little extra damage while also having a weird, imaginative status effect that.... For example:
Has a chance to mind control an enemy for a few seconds (Dionysus does that to people all the time)
Or causes them to drunkenly stumble around instead of quickly walking right towards you
Or basically any intoxication or madness themed ability you could imagine?
At present, it's just a weird skin for all the generic poison/bleed/burn effects you see in every RPG ever
That wouldn't bother me so much with a different God,
But this is Dionysus, one of the wackiest and weirdest high profile Gods in the mythology,
There's so much fun stuff you could do with the abilities he's shown to have in his stories
smoky arrow
I think SuperGiants intent is to make stuff people can relate to imminently. For example the bow and the Captain America shield.
Which is why it's not drunkedness or something complex.
sick tree
But one of his other boons has the 'festive fog' effect which effects enemy movement
It's not as interesting as I'd like but it's more unique than just damage
So, why not make that his primary focus instead of 'blight wine'?
smoky arrow
I see where you're coming from. As it is there could be more crowd control as well.