h1-discussion

[viscid elm]

(or don't, whatever 🙂 )

[rustic vale]

the god keepsakes are best used for tartarus and asphodel to get your build together

[viscid elm]

word

[rustic vale]

by elysium and styx your god pool would most likely be full so you lose most of the value anyways tbh

[vast raven]

wdym just do extended god pool

[viscid elm]

that's a very good call... plus wtf I already have guaranteed epics, don't know why I'd equip them for a chance at rares. Obviously noobin it up over here

[rustic vale]

also what happens when the god you force to appear isn’t a miniboss tunnel in styx

[rustic vale]

Hourglass is really nice for carrying a bunch of buffs through to the Hades fight but otherwise you just want something defensive for the most part tbh

Acorn is really nice because it lets you tank 5 hades hits and that’s ~200hp of value

[vast raven]

simply 2 sack mindset and take it second tunnel obv

[rustic vale]

2 sack mindset is so real

[vast raven]

its slightly better than 50/50!

[rustic vale]

The time gain from winning 50:50 and hitting c58 jolted

[vast raven]

? 2 sack enters dad c52 no

[rustic vale]

I may have just chosen a random chamber number

No actually I extended tart/aspho and ely twice

I’m just that gamer

Took a chaos gate in a chaos gate

[vast raven]

no u chaos gate into shop into another chaos gate obviously (this isnt possibly)

[rustic vale]

Chaos gate after furies fr fr

[vast raven]

if only 😔

[rustic vale]

I love the aoe of flood shot

mmm

Sub10-able pos sword run

I wish you could check the chamber number while the game was paused

[viscid elm]

No idea what the sack is yet, but I'll find out. 🙂

[viscid elm]

Anyone else struggle with analysis paralysis in gaming? I'm sitting on 7 Titan Blood and haven't spent a single one yet, as I tend to just jump around to whichever weapon is giving bonus Darkness that run.

[rustic vale]

Yeah

I get you

I think if you’re trying to get the most value out, then these 3 are really solid at level 1
nemesis for sword,
zeus for shield,
hera for bow

you get the core functionality out at level 1, and added levels just make them each a bit better

Honourable mentions to achilles spear

So I’d chuck a level in each if you want to make sure you’re getting something useful and then use the rest however you want

Other aspects like achilles spear/chiron bow/ demeter fists/ eris and hestia rail really show their value at higher levels

[viscid elm]

dude, that's super helpful. Just emailed it to myself. Thank you! Looking forward to wrapping this run and checking them out.

It doesn't look like there's any way to upload a screenshot here. I keep seeing these stone altars with a sort of crossed laurel symbol on it, and I'm assuming they eventually serve some function that I haven't unlocked yet. Anyone know what I mean?

[rustic vale]

You can use embedded image links if you know how to but I think you’re just talking about the places where purging pools and charon wells can potentially spawn

they look a bit like stone tables right

[viscid elm]

like stone tables, yes. Ah, I see. So a given room's orientation is fixed, and the run's seed determines whether a pool or well will spawn there, else it'll just be a decorative space, yes?

Also, just got to Charon's shop at the Temple of Styx entrance (last run was my first visit to Styx, so hey, twice in a row!), and I'm noticing that Artemis's boon costs 150 as usual, but Poseidon's costs 450 and Hermes' 500. Is this because I already have several Poseidon boons (and I think 2 from Hermes)?

[rustic vale]

Yeah it depends on the current seed you have when you enter the room and whether or not the cooldown for wells/shops is on

[rustic vale]

No the shop just works in a very specific orientation

[viscid elm]

Ahh

[rustic vale]

[upgraded item] [upgraded item] [hermes or anvil]

[viscid elm]

so an item's placement determines its price?

[rustic vale]

[regular item] [regular item] [diamond or titan blood]

mmm

that looks weird on mobile

[viscid elm]

never mind

I didn't let you finish, but I think I got you

I'm guessing that Hermes' boons are generally something to grab when offered, unless the other option is a Hammer?

[rustic vale]

[upgraded item] [upgraded item] [hermes or anvil]
[regular item] [regular item] [diamond or titan blood]

[viscid elm]

Seems like his are revered

[rustic vale]

Hermes works more akin to a mix of chaos, hammers, and regular olympians

than

a regular god

[viscid elm]

mm. cool stuff. I named my cat Hermes. Big fan 🙂

[rustic vale]

he has roughly the same rarity odds as Chaos, you can only find him 2 times outside of getting the third one in styx, he has no cores or pommable boons nor duos

hhh

he doesn’t count as a part of your god pool so you can always get him in a run

no matter how many other gods you’ve taken already

[viscid elm]

So an upgraded boon item (the 450g Poseidon, in this case) would grant higher level or rarity abilities than a regular one?

right

[rustic vale]

The lowest rarity for the upgraded ones is rare

[viscid elm]

by cores, I'm guessing that means boons that enhance Attack, Special, Cast or Dash?

gotcha

[rustic vale]

yeah

core boons are the ones that slot in on the left

aside from call

[viscid elm]

dude thank you for all this info. very helpful. Loving this game. Want to jump on Hades 2 already but I'm always one for a sale, and I haven't even escaped a single run on the first game yet.

gotcha

[rustic vale]

Core boons has some special functions for boon rng since depending on the god (I’m looking at you artemis) 95% of their secondary boons might require you to have a core with a specific function to even find them

and they’re specifically favoured by the way boons are rolled um

I got off topic

Hermes

Hermes is really really strong

for pretty much every weapon, extra dashes or hyper sprint -> rush delivery are go-to boons

They’re both additional mobility, survivability and dps in their own ways

[viscid elm]

right on. yeah, he seems excellent overall

[rustic vale]

Can be really broken

Rush Delivery is global additive so

you can get some crazy numbers since movespeed is one of like 4 things in game that stacks multiplicatively

[vast raven]

still remember one run where i got five ichors and then died bc i was moving too fast

[rustic vale]

5* movespeed would be rather

annoying to control tbf

I had like what +184% global additive from my rush delivery combo earlier

All the flat damage went so crazy

Or I literally just had +175%

thanks heroic rush delivery

[viscid elm]

Yeah, I've definitely found myself in situations where I've had too much move speed for my comfort and it made me blunder around a bit.

[rustic vale]

It happens like

At the speed they were talking about

They’d’ve been going 5* the base movespeed of zag no

Actually I’m assuming they had hyper sprint here

because I don’t think Frei would lose control at ~2.5x

[eager copper]

i just realized aphrodites call inflicts charm and not weak

how am i this illiterate

i have like 100 hours

[viscid elm]

WOO! Just beat Hades on the first try. Reminds me of the old Bloodborne days. 🙂

[rustic vale]

You can send ss’s in #h1-victory-boasting btw

❤️

Congrats

[eager copper]

trying to get the bad call achievement and didnt get a single eye enemy, i got up to like 90% 💔

this is the last achievement besides the keepsake/companion achievements that arent just resource based so im gunning for it every run and its driving me nuts

it'll happen eventually i suppose

[viscid elm]

Thanks! SS's?

[rustic vale]

Screenshots

[viscid elm]

Ah, thanks!

Another question: If I pick up something like Frost Strike or another ability that improves my Attack by x%, does that apply when I perform a Dash-Strike? I know Dash-Strike has its own bundle of buffs, but I'm wondering if it also falls under the umbrella of "Attack" for this purpose.

[lavish sorrel]

yes. there are some cases where attack-buffs don't apply to dashstrikes (shadow slash or cursed slash hammer of the sword for example), but most of the time when the game says "attacks" it actually means "attacks/dashstrikes(/bullrushes for the shield"

[solemn brook]

lmao

I always buy the 1 credit posters 69420 times.

[viscid elm]

Thank you!

[nocturne zenith]

listening to free bird while i wipe the floor with hades

ive got like 3 duos betweeen zeus ares and aphro

[signal blade]

Highkey in love with Dionysus’ Drunken Dash boon, I practically always build around it

[rustic vale]

You might be the first to have this sentiment

[signal blade]

I like the idea of running around and letting damage take effect without doing too much HAHA

[mint coral]

The first nasty dash fan

[signal blade]

LOLLL

[rustic vale]

It’s not that bad it’s just like, tidal or blade dash are right there for damage, and you screw yourself out of dio call with it

[signal blade]

Thats true, I go for Athena’s call tho, and the build has been working for me which is why I just kept it even when theres other options

[mint coral]

(for what is worth, nasty dash was the old name of drunken dash)

[signal blade]

dw ik

[vast raven]

yep had hyper sprint as well, very rushed delivery😌

[winter scarab]

Get health and just tank hits

[rustic vale]

That’s literally just the strat like

[viscid elm]

Does anyone remember if the original Hades featured a discount when it shadow-dropped way back when? I'm considering pulling the trigger on Hades 2 today, but I'm hearing murmurings that it might drop any day now, since they accidentally added the Steam achievements and then immediately removed them a day or two ago.

[rustic vale]

Hmm

[viscid elm]

Never mind -- looks like it had a 20% discount at launch, according to this Google AI, which continues to scare me.

[hushed mason]

ok so

how in the actual hell

did i max rank all my keepsakes

yet still havent unlocked the damn pat quest

[glacial hazel]

I'm excited for Hades 2, but I don't buy Early Access games regardless of quality anymore. Not saying it's a bad thing that it's in EA, I know Supergiant developed Hades 1 in Early Access based on feedback too and it turned out amazing

That being said I still have mountains of content in Hades 1 to get through lmfao

And of course I'm playing Hades in addition to other games

[daring sleet]

i'm personally really doubtful hades 2 release is on an "any day now" basis, seeing as they have to add basically the entire post-boss fight story and they released the hidden aspects major update only a month ago. i might have thought they announce a release date during the recent nintendo direct in light of the achievement thing marking some sort of progress but there wound up being zero info about hades 2

[glacial hazel]

What's the red thing in the admin chambers? Does it have something to do with Erebus Gates?

I've yet to do a higher Heat run to be able to access an Erebus Gate

[rustic vale]

Sort of

[glacial hazel]

Good enough for me lmao

[winter scarab]

For a quest

||when nyx meets with chaos she uses that area to meet with chaos I think||

This could be entirely wrong I might be forgetting

[eager copper]

all of my runs from now until i max the mirror and fix the sigil are gonna be lower heat because i need so much darkness

also, the gift of song prophecy takes a while huh

i play it quite a bit every time i come back

till zag says something about it at least

[winter scarab]

Does he know

[eager copper]

?

[fervent radish]

Seems reasonable wdym

[vast raven]

confused as well

[rustic vale]

Probably about “because I need so much darkness” and not even mentioning ranks

[fervent radish]

The darkness is for the mirror and sigil

[rustic vale]

yeah I understood that

[eager copper]

im aware ranks cost like 325k darkness in total, its just too arbitrary for me to care

yeah i know they cost a ton

[rustic vale]

it’s just the phrasing of “so much darkness” when compared to other thing in game that costs like 8x

that I’m assuming is what they’re referring too when they said “does he know”

[rustic vale]

Valid

I only care about it because I ended up so close after playing so much

[eager copper]

the resource director is gonna end up being the very last thing i spend my resources on at least

[rustic vale]

That’s the purpose tbh

it’s supposed to be a resource dump for those that keep on playing

[eager copper]

also suddenly for the runs im actually looking for oceans bounty it never shows up

[rustic vale]

This is why I just take oceans bounty and eclipses when they pop up

Rather than hunting them

I’m having a better time speedrunning and picking them up when there aren’t better options than mindlessly darkness farming

[glacial hazel]

Escape number five complete

[eager copper]

great to see zagreus killed hades and then slipped on a banana peel and died

real professional of you zag

[glacial hazel]

I have a crazy good dash-strike build right now oh my god

Sword with Aspect of Nemesis. I got Hunter's Dash (dash strike damage), double edge (dash strike hits twice), Greater Reflex (+2 dodges), Roiling Lunge, and Curse of Agony

Every dash-strike has a chance of critting for 3 seconds after I do a Special, I can dash-strike four times in a row, each dash-strike hits twice, and I have multiple increases to my dash-strike damage, and on top of all of that, Doom curse.

[rustic vale]

This all makes sense but curse of agony like

everything buffs all the dash-strikes going off but doom only applies once

it’d make more sense to include it if you had merciful end w/ divine dash so you’d always drop the doom immediately on dstrikes but

[glacial hazel]

I do also have the Boon that increases Doom damage for a short delay

CoA is Epic level 2 so 130 damage and Impending Doom is Rare for 65% increase

It would be super neat if I instead got Aphrodite's Boon to apply weak on attack and make weak enemies more vulnerable to damage

But 214 extra damage after a hit and run is still nice

[eager copper]

i used stygian soul one time for the legendary hermes boon and it might've won me over

2.45k gems

im swimming in it

[rustic vale]

Stygian soul having better hermes odds is nice

[placid coral]

bro

this is my second time getting lightning rod on beowulf

cease this :c

[glacial hazel]

Dash strike build demolished Hades and once again I escaped twice in a row

I think I made him skip his big laser beam move because I was doing so much damage

[rustic vale]

The only time this can happen is if he starts it as he hits his breakpoint

[merry patrol]

hades. the first

[eager copper]

the game is kind of devolving into a bit of a grind at this point but im not upset at it

just feels like the dynamic of the game has changed for the moment (grinding resources rather than going for good runs)

something to be expected when you're trying to 100% it

its a refreshing change of pace

almost relaxing, in contrast to the urgency of higher heat runs

[eager copper]

im missing 1 fish from chaos's realm (i think) and 1 from the surface

both are hard places to find fishing spots

pain

[indigo badge]

that chaos fish is gonna take a good while

surface not really

[eager copper]

THERE ARE 8 FATED AUTHORITIES??

kill me

i just realized the dark reflections prophecy is to use all of them

not to max all of them

what am i DOING

theres no reason to max the mirror

i guess its still good to but i wouldnt have prioritized it over fixing the sigil

[nocturne zenith]

so if hades mentions that the olympians are still helping you just as before because you show up outside styx after finishing the epilogue, and hades supposedly also has special dialogue when you reach him without taking any boons, what happens if you reach him without any boons on the run right after finishing the epilogue?

[indigo badge]

fyi fated persuasion is much better

[eager copper]

yeah ive been only using it

fated authority is the only thing left unbought on my mirror though

[autumn jewel]

there's dialogue after maxxing the mirror

[solid thorn]

well if thats the case

hopefully theres no dialogue for beating 64H cause i am NOT doing that

[glacial hazel]

Zagreus has started calling the Bone Hydra 'Lernie'

I don't know why I laugh every time

This game gives me genuine joy. Not many games nowadays actually spark joy for me. They feel like chores, and like I have to make my purchase worth the cost by playing it through even if I don't enjoy it

This is why indie games are the best.

I've been a fan of Supergiant since Bastion. I loved the way Rucks told the story throughout the game and commented on the things I did

Absolutely nailed the 'active narrator' style.

EVEN THE GAME ITSELF CALLS THE HYDRA LERNIE LMFAOOO

"Lernie Vanquished"

And i just realised it's now actually called 'Lernie, the Bone Hydra' instead of Lernean Bone Hydra

[autumn jewel]

zag: lernie, hiss once if you think you'd lose
lernie: hiss

[glacial hazel]

"Hiss if you want me to kill you"

Whoever wrote these dialogues is an artist and a genius

[viscid flax]

how do I unlock the night and darkness fated prophecy? people online say just talk to nyx and chaos but they dont talk anymore about related stuff

[drowsy kettle]

you need to max out both of their nectar hearts

[viscid flax]

I did that

except for that and 16 heat, I have all the other achievements so its kinda annoying me

[drowsy kettle]

yea then you just need to keep visiting Chaos and Nyx until you get the Contractor job for it

[viscid flax]

u need a lot of darkness for the job right?

[drowsy kettle]

yeah, 3142

[viscid flax]

dayum

[drowsy kettle]

it's on the first tab iirc

[viscid flax]

the dialogue system in this game is rlly cool but not being able to progress quests often is pretty annoying

[rustic vale]

Relatively not really

It’s only like ~6 escapes

[latent moon]

afaik there wasn't according to angel

Game devs didn't expect people to actually go past like 40 lmfao

Or even get remotely close to 64

[silver wren]

ok guys i need your help

is there a mod where i can get the gods i want?

because im trying to get the "thorn of Thanatos" achievement

and i want Athena, Zeus, Artemis and Ares

but i keep getting Aphrodite and Demeter!

unless there is a really good build i can use with them to get the achievement...

[stiff obsidian]

why do u need specific gods for the achievement

thats the 30% butterfly one right

[covert current]

You can use their keepsakes...is what I'd say but I don't remember if using their keepsakes is a guarantee you'll get that boon...in the first game at least

[teal thunder]

it’s a guarantee that the next boon will be theirs only

you might still get shafted and get non-boon rewards for a few chambers

unless ofcourse you use it at the beginning of the run, where it’s either that or a hammer

[rustic vale]

Itms a guarantee that whenever a boon shows up it’ll be forced to be theirs until you take a boon from them

not just the first boon you see

[silver wren]

Artemis's crit boost, Ares damage boost and doom damage, Athena's protection, Zeus's attack and god gauge

[covert current]

Ah. Are you going for a ranged build

[rustic vale]

The game will keep forcing it until you take a boon from them

[rustic vale]

Not really

[rustic vale]

What weapon are you trying to use

Most builds try to only need 2 gods

[silver wren]

i was told to use the rail (Hestia aspect) with delta chamber

[rustic vale]

and then the other 2 can be whoever

Zeus strike on hestia is not really the play

delta chamber is nice because you get iframes on your dash-strikes

If you’re trying to get thorn you should really just aim for a +% strike/ +% special and divine dash and that should good enough for keeping you at range to avoid damage

[silver wren]

i also try to get the Hermes dodge, hyper dash and extra dash

[rustic vale]

hermes is entirely seperate from the god pool so like

That sounds about right

hyper sprint -> rush delivery for massive damage, or greatest reflex for more dashes

[silver wren]

wait i forgot what rush delivery is

[rustic vale]

bonus global damage +% based off your bonus movespeed

[silver wren]

oooooohhhhhhh

[vast raven]

and for some reason second wind isnt a pre req

[rustic vale]

Hyper Sprint is one of the boons that can open it, and it literally doubles your movespeed so you have massive bonus movespeed to multiply off

And you can get ichors for even more bonus movespeed like

it’s really nice since movespeed is multiplicativeee

[silver wren]

what about Chaos?

[rustic vale]

Wdym

chaos also isn’t subject to the god pool

They’re always good

[silver wren]

oh ok

also the plushie keep sake ive been using so far is skelly's

[rustic vale]

I’ve made a lot of references to the god pool but like

do you know what I’m talking aboit

[silver wren]

yes?

[rustic vale]

just checking

[silver wren]

because Hermes and Chaos dont give you regular boons

[rustic vale]

Good for thorn of thanatos

otherwise you want other ones more

[silver wren]

so far my idea for the base boons are
Zeus attack
Ares special attack
Athena's dash, cast and call
Artemis's pressure point and support arrow

[covert current]

Good choices. What bow u using?

[rustic vale]

They were going to use hestia

[covert current]

Oh Hestia

Very nice

[rustic vale]

Zeus strike hestia is not

not the play tbh

[silver wren]

why?

[covert current]

I'd personally use Zeus dash if I'm using Hestia but u do u

And Athena attack for any rail usage

[rustic vale]

I mean if you hit delta chamber it’s a bit better but overall you mainly want to buff that massive strike

[rustic vale]

“Any rail” 🤨

Zeus strike is the play on any other rail but to make the most of hestia

athena strike makes sense on hestia and spreadfire zagrail

[silver wren]

but Zeus's hits other enemies

and if i already have the Athena cast, dash and call, reflecting wont be a problem

[covert current]

Sorry, Most. It's what I use for most rails. Deflect deflect bb

I haven't used rail in a while 😆

[covert current]

Athena dash is the best for me. For cast, I'd use dio, tbh. But that's just me

Well dio and demeter bc the duo boon is amaze

[silver wren]

but if you throw in Zeus into that mix it becomes even better

[muted patrol]

This game is crazy, I am pretty sure I saw the first frame of Hades's death only to die right at that moment

[rustic vale]

It isn’t about deflecting

It’s about having so much base damage to benefit from a +% strike

[silver wren]

oooooohhhhhh

is that why you think zeus attack + hestia = bad?

got it

[rustic vale]

Yeah

you don’t really get value from it

[silver wren]

what about Demeter's attack?

or Ares?

[rustic vale]

Demeter good

Ares actually can get solid value

since you can armour shred enemies with your initial strike and then have doom drop

[silver wren]

i see

[rustic vale]

Aphro has good value too

chaos is really nice for added strike and dash-strike damage

Hunter dash from artemis

Since you can dash-strike the hestia shot

[silver wren]

really?

[mint coral]

She has the highest % of the attacks

[silver wren]

oh

[vast raven]

technically artemis if you simply crit 🙂

[solemn brook]

approval process definitely has to be the worst modifier in the game wtf

[vast raven]

yep approval process sucks it is def the least enjoyable to play with, would probably put em4 slightly above it though imo

[solemn brook]

I am only using it for the prophecy no way am I ever gonna take it again

[indigo badge]

and your hammers too

[solemn brook]

...

did anyone ever test the witches' circle without athena's dash?

like wtf

[indigo badge]

<@&456908176877551658>

[mint coral]

Gets way easier once you get the funny meg summon

But also your attack/special destroy projectiles and most weapons have some decent move for that

[latent moon]

It's honestly not that bad lmao

Disregarding meg summon too

[solemn brook]

idk it's ass

[latent moon]

You kinda just run at them and kill them fast lmfao

[solemn brook]

yeah I lost a dd that way

[latent moon]

It's def not as good but it's doable

[indigo badge]

you may have become too reliant on athena dash

[viscid elm]

I'm sitting on 6 keys and about 300 gems. My next gem purchase is Plunder, Superior (500 gems), but I still haven't unlocked that last tier of the Mirror of Night, and so don't have access to rerolls yet. I'm not getting keys often because I have Dark Foresight at max. I'm thinking it might be best to just trade 240 gems for the keys to unlock rerolls immediately, then get Plunder Superior later (though having Plunder Superior sooner might boost gem gains for future keys).

Thoughts?

[latent moon]

Approval process 1 isn't too bad imo (granted you're only taking it at like 40+ heat) but I'd rather take that than routine inspection 1 lmfao

[latent moon]

Also this yeah lmao

[molten dock]

I just lost all my progress

[rustic vale]

Isn’t plunder a diamond cost

you should be fine trading in for keys and then getting plunder

[indigo badge]

do some darkness farming, run low heat with whatever weapon has dark thirst, bosses drop plenty of darkness

[solemn brook]

idk everything else dodgeable just fine but witches' circle is just crap

too many damn projectiles

[viscid elm]

Thanks! But after finishing the mirror, there isn't much use left for future keys, correct?

[rustic vale]

Check #h1-tech-fixes or #h1-tech-support I swear this has happened before and the person I know managed to get it back just fine

[solemn brook]

opposite way around for me lol

[viscid elm]

I can't trade Darkness for keys, can I? I'm sitting on a good amount of Darkness already. Been using whichever weapon has the thirst for all runs.

[rustic vale]

It just depends on the circumstances that the save file was lost under

[rustic vale]

Darkness for gemstones with a black market deal

[solemn brook]

you're gonna need a TON of nectar later so selling keys for that is one use for 'em

[viscid elm]

Gotcha. Thanks!

[rustic vale]

You can also just trade up keys to diamonds ambrosia and titans blood

[viscid elm]

Do you mean the randomized, temporary deals at the Wretched Broker?

[rustic vale]

also resource director and one victory theme

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[viscid elm]

gotcha. Alright, thanks, all! I think I'll go for rerolls now since that seems to be the most pressing thing. I imagine that it would have saved a few dicey runs, and I like the idea of having a solid amount of control over my builds run to run.

[latent moon]

Losing dark foresight imo is way more impactful than losing 1 choice per thing, it's much easier to have a more consistent build with only like 2 boons

[rustic vale]

fated persuasion

[latent moon]

Getting stuff is just a lot better lmao yeah rolls too

[rustic vale]

Dark foresight is like 7-8 more gold laurels which

You’ll notice the difference a ton

not to mention losing fated persuasion

[solemn brook]

you cant take what you want at all with approval process, while you can still get dice from keys to reroll if you're running routine inspection

most of the picks I wanted to build around have been cut by it

I get that it's a roguelike but it's annoying

[latent moon]

You will barely see boons at all without dark foresight lmfao

[upbeat grail]

can we talk about how fire charons boss battle music is

[viscid elm]

Damn. Demeter dash + Fists =

[silver wren]

wait

how many times can i get hit before i have to restart the challenge?

[indigo badge]

your health is in the lower left corner, enemies deal different amounts of damage

once your health reaches zero you die and restart

[silver wren]

no i mean like-

ok im trying to get the "thorn of Thanatos" achievement

which means i can not get hit 30 times

and idk how many combat rooms there are

[vast raven]

*cant get hit for 30 combats, only counts up on those

if you carry it the entire run you should be able to get it in a standard run length, unsure about the number of combat chambers there are though, it only counts up in the final chamber of every styx path so you cant just equip it there

standard run length with a 2 sack is 51 chambers

[mint coral]

If you have the keepsake at level 3 it only takes 15 combats

[polar aspen]

i love when i get to start with Daedelus' Hammer

[rustic vale]

The odds are 1/4 iirc and I keep hitting it an unprobable amount of times in a row

It’s nice because I get to give all my aspects a whirl to see if any have good hammers to start off

literally just double check all my aspects for good hammers before I launch into a full run

[vast raven]

it is 1 in 4 👍

[rustic vale]

I think I hit it 3 times in a row last night

Which is like 1/64 but

[vast raven]

it do be like that sometimes 😌

[rustic vale]

That’s not that uncommon

It’s just annoying to check every aspect that can have different hammers

Until I find one that actually has good options

[magic elk]

Hey, since the game got removed from Netflix, is there any chance it will get an new official mobile port not linked to Netflix?

[marsh fog]

I sure hope so. All the programming work is done already, it should be simple to repackage it

Also I lost my save files and I am salty about it

[true walrus]

Same lol I even reached the actual ending

And was on high heat

[marsh fog]

I have since been redoing every weapon on every single heat. Haven’t even gotten Skelly’s second statue yet

[true walrus]

Dude same

I was abt to tho

[marsh fog]

Also getting every single Duo boon again is SUCH a pain

Been trying for Lightning Phylanx for the last three runs

[true walrus]

Couldn’t even get the chaos and nyx meet up

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[marsh fog]

And Second Wave refuses to show its face to me

[marsh fog]

I did get that, spent over ten runs saving up the darkness for it…

For me Hypnos refuses to complete his favor. I got most of the dialogue already pretty sure. But it just won’t complete

[true walrus]

Damn it hypnos

I was just starting to do the dialogues between nyx and chaos

Then boom it’s gone 😔

[marsh fog]

Also I have to die to Elysium bosses for Hypnos’ autograph, but I can’t remember which death dialogue I am missing

[true walrus]

Maybe look it up in the wiki?

It’s pretty detailed usually

[marsh fog]

I did, but I can’t remember which dialogues I got already this round since I already did it once before

I guess I could combine darkness farming with dying on purpose in Elysium

[marsh fog]

How far did you get into the dialogues?

[true walrus]

Oof wish they had the past convo thingy they have in hades II

[true walrus]

I think it was where like nyx was saying they are my parent mother and father

Chaos was saying smth like we haven’t talked or we had a fight or smth

[marsh fog]

Yup actually Hades II has so many convenient little improvements like that

Reminds me of Mihoyo’s “We will use your feedback on Genshin Impact to improve Honkai Star Rail”

What was that? A bot?

[true walrus]

Idk wtf was that abt

Weird

[true walrus]

U PLAY GENSHIN? their zzz is even better

Although ig they are just trynna keep up the competition with wuwa

[marsh fog]

I pick it up and drop it every once in a while. Not a fan of the grinding, I show up for major updates

[marsh fog]

I tried WuWa actually. The combat is fancier (dodge and echo system), but the story and characters aren’t as compelling

[true walrus]

I played it when it first released and it was literally just Walmart genshin atp. I heard it got better tho ever since.

[marsh fog]

Genshin is definitely better. Apart from minor quality of life improvements such as being able to sprint up walls, I feel really nostalgic for that when I’m in Genshin

[true walrus]

Yeah it really is

Can’t wait for sneznaya

So I will actually play the game lol

[marsh fog]

And Khanriah after that too!

So exciting

[true walrus]

Yesss

[marsh fog]

We are going a bit off-topic though, let’s switch to #video-games

[muted patrol]

I looked away for 5 minutes and a genshin discussion suddenly started

[true walrus]

Yeah alright

[marsh fog]

Lol we are switching now

[stoic verge]

Hey guys
Ive got a small issue with achievements
Yesterday i got my first ||skelly trinket|| but the achievement icon never popped, it also doesnt show on steam

Any ideas to fix this ? Thanks in advance

[vast raven]

did interact to reveal it in the courtyard? (where you can talk to skelly and start a run)

[stoic verge]

I did yea

[vast raven]

hmmm

[stoic verge]

I dont know if i effed up something cuz i did few runs without steam open on my laptop and i didn’t get like 5 achievements

After opening steam the day after they came back

[vast raven]

they should trigger once connected to steam again, im surprised it didn’t happen for this, im not entirely sure it would work, but possibly triggering the reward prompt again by clearing 8 heat again (? i forgot the amounts for the first 2) may also want to try asking in the tech support channel if anyone there can help

[stoic verge]

Ill ask around
Im thinking of reinstalling tho i hope it fixes it

Thanks for your time

Edit: i should open Hades from steam and not the .exe file

[eager copper]

losing a run right at the end feels like a slap to the face

what was even the point in playing at that point

[stoic verge]

Hearing a new joke from hypnos

[nocturne zenith]

what triggers the bond with dusa? i've maxed out her hearts and she's been fired, i assumed it would be getting her rehired that would do the trick but my friend told me he forged a bond with her before she was fired?

[indigo badge]

yeah the getting fired and rehired thing is separate from her bond, you got unlucky

[nocturne zenith]

ah, so i just have to keep talking to her once she comes back?

[indigo badge]

yes

[nocturne zenith]

alright i guess ill try for a 16 heat run in the meantime

oh alright

going for a lot of stuff on harsh conditions for this one

[polar aspen]

god i love asterion

[lavish sorrel]

god I hate asterius

[polar aspen]

i wish Thesues would shut the ell up and let him talk more often lol

oh i hate him as an enemy

love him as a character

though being honest.. i hate theseus more lol

both his personality and his mechanics

[lavish sorrel]

What are you struggling with on theseus

He's the more controllable of the two

[polar aspen]

him throwing his spear at me while im already trying to dodge asterion

once i kill asterion hes not as bad because i have one person to focus on

but im already dashing around asterion and then he ends up hitting be between dashes

[rustic vale]

Bait Asterius over to the other side of the arena then

[polar aspen]

i find asterion's attack petterns a lot simpler too honestly

the only issue i have with him sometimes is getting him to charge into the wall

i just fought him solo, and only got hit once or twice

[lavish sorrel]

How 2 theseus:

• Theseus can only choose an attack when he sees you. If he doesn't see you but he's yet to pick an attack, he will walk towards you. Use the pillars to control this
• theseus' attack is determined by your distance to him. This means one can reliably control what attack he does when.
• Keep him and asterius separated whenever possible. If you see asterius crouch or see the two heroes touch, run for your life, as theseus is about to do the Bullhorn attack.
• you can easily cheese him if he's alone by forcing a spin (by standing close) then dashing through the spin

[polar aspen]

appreciate the tips

i did know about the bullhorn

didnt realize about the line of sight thing, mostly because asterion keeps me dashing into his line of sight

dashing away from his jump attack

[lavish sorrel]

Can dash through, which I'd in fact recommend usually

[polar aspen]

yeah but that still end up dashing me far enough into theseus sight, i think i just need to get better at using the environment

or moreso utilizing the pillars

[lavish sorrel]

I'm not saying you need to never have theseus see you, quite the opposite

[polar aspen]

like i said the main issue i have with theseus is him throwing his spear while im dashing around asterion

if i can control that i think id do a lot better lol

[lavish sorrel]

I'm saying that you can force him to use a spearthrow, which means you can hide behind a pillar for a while and be fine

[polar aspen]

okay

again appreciate the tips ^^'

[late hatch]

W

Just did my first 8 heat run

[gray apex]

Nice

[eager copper]

oh my god i just realized the bosses always appear after a set number of chambers

its always the same

[fathom estuary]

Hey guys I finally moved on to PC and got hades on it, where can I find a maxed out up to date save file ?

[indigo badge]

speedrun.com in the resources tab

[fathom estuary]

Thanks very much

[lavish sorrel]

(Almost. In the first three biomes there's a way to shove everything one chamber further by using a chaos / erebus gate after the last combat room, but you get the general gist )

[exotic cliff]

Hi folks. On my second time playing. Quick question: there’re no particular Level 3 Legendaries that are easier to get from a probability standpoint, right? Not counting the weird ones like Hermes’ and Huge Catch.

I’m probably just getting unlucky on this one, but I just finished getting all Duo Boons before getting… whatever Athena’s Legendary is called.

[rustic vale]

Fully Loaded

[mint coral]

technically arty and demeter are harder

they both need 2 of, instead of 1 of

[rustic vale]

To be fair Chaos is also way way less statistically likely

[exotic cliff]

Meh. Just unlucky with Athena’s, I guess. It’ll come soon, I know.

[exotic cliff]

Still haven’t seen that one. Or Assault, for that matter.

[rustic vale]

You need to be on fiery presence for that

[exotic cliff]

Oh. Well, that’ll do it.

[rustic vale]

Assualt boosts damage to undamaged foes and replaces the one that boosts backstab damage that idk the name of cuz I haven’t run shadow presence in forevr

[rustic vale]

It’s a 1% chance that can’t be modified

compared to the default 12% (or 10% off miniboss rewards) odds per option rolled

[rustic vale]

You have been grabbing brilliant riposte as the prereq right

[exotic cliff]

I’m hanging onto as much Darkness as I can because I feel like the Chaos/Nyx thing is coming soon, and I don’t wanna do too much grinding just for that. I don’t think the Presences cost that much, though.

[rustic vale]

they don’t

[exotic cliff]

Codex says jump, I ask how high.

[rustic vale]

Ngl as I’m speedrunning a ton

and I’ve been knocking out a rank every day or 2

I feel like all the other darkness costs aren’t that high when I’m dropping 9-10k darkness on a rank

[exotic cliff]

True. The whole ranking thing is why I stopped playing the first time.

But it’s either Hades (my favourite game of all time) or Disco Elysium (which I bounced off for a third time recently). So I’m thinking the ranks might not be TOO bad to grind through.

[rustic vale]

See

It’s better when you aren’t grinding for the ranks

I’m knocking them out as a side effect of speedrunning or practicing high heat or just playing Hades cuz I like playing Hades

Whenever I try to darkness farm specifically I can only do it for 2-3 runs at a time

[exotic cliff]

That’s a good idea. Thanks!

I’ve been pushing Heat up slowly, and things are starting to get lopsided with the weapons, because I’ve been following the bonuses for a while. Mostly Sword and Rail bonuses lately.

[rustic vale]

My heats are mostly pretty uniform ngl it’s like

Spear is 20 and bow is 40 and everything else is 32

But I decided to go like all in on speedrunning once I got back and now I try to play higher heat and I’m dying immediately due to recklessness

got my zag bow sub8 and all my weapons sub9 so now the new goal is all aspects sub10 before I push my other pbs lower

[exotic cliff]

Maybe I should open up my old file (from four years ago), because I don’t remember anything about my old stats. I know I hit 32 Heat with something, but that’s it.

[stiff obsidian]

how is disco elysium

[exotic cliff]

I like the idea of it, and I can even get into the exhaustive exposition, but the controls feel clunky, and I’m not into that. I’m a big controls guy.

[stiff obsidian]

i see

is it mostly just talking tho

or do u actually do stuff ingame

[exotic cliff]

It’s mostly talk, but I didn’t get far enough to see if much else happens.

[stiff obsidian]

ah

its in my library and i was planning to get into it nex tmonth or so

[lavish sorrel]

Wdym, it's got a lot of high-octane dialogue mashing in it

[silver wren]

ok but can someone seriously tell me how many times can i get hit until i cant get the "thorn of Thanatos" achievement

[rustic vale]

That depends because the amount of combat encounters you get isn’t fixed

Chaos/story rooms/shops/fountains all reduce it

If you dodge all free rooms in tartarus that’s like 12 combat encounters

Styx is like 6

Elysium is like another 9?

you should be ~fine with 8 hits but give or take a few hits

It’s too late for me to think about this

[silver wren]

ok thx

also i found out that i could possibly get a Erubus chamber at the end of Tartarus which could boost it up to 13

[lavish sorrel]

Styx is 4 at most, only the final rooms count

[rustic vale]

I

meant aspho

😔

Encounter chambers in aspho are like 17-22 right

[lavish sorrel]

Furies 14, midbiome 15, aspho c0 16, encounters go from 17 to 22
+1 for every biome if you include the bosses

[rustic vale]

Lernie

real

Lernie tax doesn’t exist trust

[nocturne zenith]

does Swift Strike make the damage on the aspect of lucifer ramp up faster?

[mint coral]

I don't think so(?)

Prob just starts the beam faster

[lavish sorrel]

faster beam start, and faster individual instances of damage

even if it did increase ramping-rate, that mechanic still would end up being very marginal

[nocturne zenith]

i see

[nocturne zenith]

beat 16 heat 🔥🔥🔥

[polar aspen]

i love getting Dionysus' fountain boon right before finding a fountain lol

i had 11 hp

and i said it before, i love asterion, i think hes such a cool character

[eager copper]

hes the real champion of elysium

[jolly ore]

what is the general opinion on demeter boons? im a already-spoiled new player for context and she seems like a solid choice

[latent moon]

She's very mid most of the time lmao

Her attack/special have middling damage, you're better off with Aphrodite for damage. The slow is nice tho, but kinda personal preference, some don't like it bc it can mess with some internal timing stuff

Her cast sucks, dash is hella mid/bad

Her supporting boons for cast based aspects are pretty good like ravenous will and snow burst
Rare crop is like fine most of the time as well
Nourished soul is decent too

Although that's about it lmao

Call sucks

[rancid ember]

If I'm at a point where both Nectar and Darkness are important (very early) is the 50 Darkness for 1 Nectar USUALLY worthwhile? Is it usually worthwhile at any other point?

[exotic cliff]

I don’t mind Demeter’s (full) call, especially with the burst damage when full Chill happens, but yeah, she’s mostly ass to me.

[jolly ore]

i guess i got a little caught up in the excitement of this demeter being so different from her appearance in hades 2 lmao

[rustic vale]

I’d take it if I had all the keepsakes but not full mirror, then stop after you max your mirror, then you can ramp it back up if you end up grinding out ranks

Addendum* all keepsakes minus the last 2 depending on where you are in the story

[rancid ember]

If you build around her right with the proper combinations with other gods' boons and a decently appropriate weapon aspect she can be pretty interesting, Winter's Harvest is significantly better than a multiplicative global 10% damage boost, Chill goes well with Privileged Status which you can easily take advantage of by combining with Aphrodite or Dionysus (who both have good Duo boons with but require building your Cast around).

[rancid ember]

This is good to note. I don't have all keepsakes yet, unfortunately

I still need a few god keepsakes as well as Than's and the postgame ones, I don't have Demeter unlocked yet this time through since I started over

[rustic vale]

Demeter is just awkward for a lot of builds

opens duos you don’t want or doesn’t have a good core where you need it

[vast raven]

dem attack can be good at high heat imo

[rustic vale]

her cast isn’t usually worth losing boiling blood and her dash just doesn’t offer the offensive capabilities of splash dash or blades with like none of the defensiveness of ddash

True

some weapons just want any +% strike or special they can get at certain points

[vast raven]

but thats just bc slowing down all the bad stuff on screen is really nice

and mainly just useful in bossing not really in chambers either

[rustic vale]

I think she’s most useful as a like tertiary goddess for cast based builds

Rav will and snowburst

are really solid in those cases tbh

[vast raven]

rav will is kinda just universally useful tbf

30% global additive at epic rarity is nothing to sneeze at

[rustic vale]

Just by nature you’re going to be casting more so it should have more value~

[vast raven]

fair ig, coming from playing sm zeus shield and me like the additive kinda earring boon

[rustic vale]

She has some solid cast duos like

Ice Wine is nice

I’m partial to Blizzard shot but I’m pretty sure there isn’t a single aspect where that’s a meta contender

[vast raven]

yeah cant think of any either

[rustic vale]

I just like the aoe of flood shot and end up with it sometimes

also I’m pretty sure mirage shot doesn’t affect the added projectiles from blizzard shot

like it’s still 100% value

can get fds-y fast

Rare crop is also really solid depending on what you have like

If you have a high chance of early heroic jolted

or razor shoals

I like how shoals goes 10/15/20/25, nice big rarity scaling

[ashen hinge]

Anybody here who has 100% the game? Not counting the titles

How long did it take you bc I'm missing a lot still-

[rustic vale]

Yes

almost have titles too tbh

[old bluff]

Many have with titles

[rustic vale]

I wanna say 100-150 hours?

If you did all your bounties first try with a 30 minute rta per run it’d be 63 hours and I know a 100% success rate isn’t happening

• gifting and dialogue

[vast raven]

for me to get all achievements like 400 hours? but thats bc i refused to max out keepsakes for a while lol

[ashen hinge]

I need like

• 55 diamonds for music
• Various Big Amounts of resources for the themes
• Ambrosia for 3/6 companions
• Lots of titan blood for my least used aspects
• 32 Heat Statue

Again not counting titles lmao

That's something I don't want to get into

[rustic vale]

True
I would not want to add 325k darkness to that list

[vast raven]

titan blood shouldnt take that long compared to the diamonds for music imo

diamonds and ambrosia both are pretty bad to grind up compartively to titan blood

[rustic vale]

I’m going to get it as a side-effect of playing Hades as much as I do but I don’t think most normal people are playing Hades that much

Really? I thought you got more than enough diamonds and ambrosia from bounties and prophecies

[ashen hinge]

Now that you said that I need to check how many prophecies I'm missing

[rustic vale]

I should export my switch savefile to my pc just to max all the achievements

Actually there might be 2 I haven’t got naturally

Thorn of Thanatos and the full Call in challenge room one

[vast raven]

idk i just one trick shield 😭 ur probably right tho

[rustic vale]

It’s like 126 diamonds and ambrosia from all bounties

w/ out prophecies

it’s nice cuz they’re all renewable resources as well

[vast raven]

that however, requires playing fist

[rustic vale]

you can trade up / buy from styx / fish / you can actually get diamonds from treasure troves on a rare chance

[vast raven]

or sunken treasure

[rustic vale]

in addition to your reward

[vast raven]

1 in 3000 (?) 🗣️

[rustic vale]

dem isn’t that bad

[rustic vale]

I’ve definitely had it happen like thrice and I think I only have what 700 escape attempts

I might just be over odds

[vast raven]

generally just a fist hater lol never felt like going past 32 for fist

[rustic vale]

I like to try to have a solid minimum level of skill across all weapons

like all my weapons have sub9 times and I’m aiming to get all aspects sub10

and I have 32 with every weapon but Sp**r

[vast raven]

unironically would prefer trying to do my really bad build for chiron 45h (ares special ME)

[rustic vale]

flurry shot ME

[vast raven]

that, at least is usable

[rustic vale]

I seriously just have a skissue with spear tbh

[vast raven]

*spearissue

[rustic vale]

Spissue

[vast raven]

flurry resets my beloved

[rustic vale]

GY

GY is easily my favourite spear tbh

Achilles ez second but

[vast raven]

honestly prefer zag spear over achilles spear and idk why

its like just worse

[rustic vale]

Explosive + Charged zag spear tbh

Zag literally just has worse hammer odds and no +%

I do like the aspects that don’t add extra inputs though

I’m not a huge fan of the castpects because I have to remap cast and then it requires brain power

It’s not that that bad to swap my cast and summon buttons tbh

I accidentally Meg like once every 2 runs but

[old bluff]

Why don’t you just leave them swapped?

[vast raven]

i still do that 💀

[rustic vale]

good question

[vast raven]

i should maybe remap my meg again

however

that requires me to remap

[rustic vale]

It feels weird to cast on shoulder buttons when I’m not using a castpect

when I’m using a castpect it’s just tap-tap to load it, it doesn’t interupt anything

[vast raven]

when i was playing controller beo i still was using face button for cast

idk it never bothered me

[rustic vale]

when I play beo I just take charged flight and then I get floored when I hit cast for boiling blood and it loads it

[old bluff]

It’s fine until you have to mash and move at the same time

Like for boss splits

That’s when it gets kinda dicey

[rustic vale]

It’s annoying cuz holding strike is on the other side of the face buttons

your thumb was never meant to make that type of motion repeatedly nor quickly

Like

Wait

I actually have videos about this

💀

[vast raven]

doesnt matter now as i'm almost just kbm exclusive 😌

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422743/1324624425743548488/IMG_0674.mov?ex=68924c61&is=6890fae1&hm=2f0112bf70a5ff000dfcdfb2c5bbb30e8dcebfee6d1285d43c564f932f4c6fc4&

Had that one in the vault for like

hmm

idk how long

but yeah default controls aren’t conducive to castpect loading

[old bluff]

You also can’t scoot with face button cast :(

[rustic vale]

let any other finger handle the loading

[rustic vale]

wait fr

I still haven’t learned scooting

is this like a pseudotech moment when the default control scheme is abysmal for doing it

[old bluff]

You would need to press 3 face buttons at the same time lmao

So I don’t even thinks it’s possible to do

[rustic vale]

beeg thumb

but yeah no that sounds atrocious

I tried to do pseudotech the same way that Pseudo does it but I think

if I stole my own castpect binds and swapped cast and special

it would be fine

We only have known pseudotech for GY and base bow right

[vast raven]

its all bows no? rama can do pseudotech

[rustic vale]

oh fr?

[vast raven]

...its just not entirely useful

[rustic vale]

that’s cool

[rustic vale]

What’s the problem w/ rama pseudotech

standing strike charge time?

[rancid ember]

If a choice between Cthonic Coin Purse and Harpy's Feather Duster, which better? (in Asphodel)

[rustic vale]

purse

[vast raven]

purse

feather duster has so little hp value

[rancid ember]

Okke, thank you

[eager copper]

i really like it

seems more useful than collar at least

[rustic vale]

I can’t say I’ve used it aside from maxing the keepsake

[old bluff]

collar is quite good tbh

[vast raven]

collar gets a lot of value (at high heat as lc4 exists)

[rustic vale]

Collar is like 125 hp of value

or

eh it depends if you’re running stubborn or dd’s

[eager copper]

feather duster was my go-to keepsake for the first like 30 something hours of the game i think

so i might be biased

maybe even 50

[old bluff]

ye

[rustic vale]

I don’t think there was one time in the last 3 years where I went “ykw I could really use rn”

[old bluff]

it's def one of those new player trap keepsakes

[rustic vale]

feather duster

[old bluff]

like shawl

[rustic vale]

Butterfly moment

[old bluff]

and bracer

[rustic vale]

I think tooth is a big one too tbh

[vast raven]

just dont get back stabbed 🗣️ /s

[vast raven]

tooth is great wdym

[rustic vale]

Like yeah tooth is pretty solid defensively but it draws new players to it like a moth to a flame over other keepsakes

[eager copper]

tooth is incredibly situational

[vast raven]

i ❤️ invisible dd

[eager copper]

i guess its good on sd actually

[rancid ember]

Across a full run if you keep it equipped the entire time? I'd expect Feather Duster to be worth more than that overall considering the sheer number of urns you have overall. Although for the final tier if you go in with all DD's I'd expect to be worth much more... although if you're using stubborn and triggering it a lot collar is probably still worth way more.

[old bluff]

bruh

[rustic vale]

but

You shouldn’t have it on for a full run

[vast raven]

wdym?

[rustic vale]

You’d suffer massive massive opportunity cost

where you can pop on collar for styx

[old bluff]

i thought we were talking about new players

[rancid ember]

True, I wouldn't expect you to.

[vast raven]

sounds like a new player strat to me

[ashen hinge]

What did feather duster do again

[old bluff]

hp from pots

[vast raven]

gives pots a chance to drop hp

more specifically food (which in turn give hp)

[eager copper]

running any keepsake for the entire run is kinda silly (except i guess butterfly and plume)

[rustic vale]

feather duster also loses value from LC where collar won’t

butterfly and plume are still incredibly silly to run for an entire run

[old bluff]

those are meme runs

[vast raven]

plume can have some fun runs with it tbf

[old bluff]

but plume does have sword wr soooooo

[rustic vale]

you sacrifice your build (which is like all your damage) for pitty change

[old bluff]

truly a zyru moment in time

[vast raven]

plume gives guarenteed epic rd first hermes tho (true)

[rustic vale]

Better hermes odds are bwtter hermes odds

[old bluff]

but it doesnt give you hs :)

i have gotten trolled by this so many times

[rustic vale]

mom pom for a build with like 3 fds boons

gimme 4 billion levels on hangover yes

[vast raven]

the ichors in my back pocket 🗣️

[rustic vale]

I love managing to hit RD with 4 rerolls left midway thru ely but then no wells give me ichors

this happens too often

[old bluff]

ohhhh nooooo, i only got 50-100% free additive :((((

[rustic vale]

well it’s more devastating when I got RD off greater haste cuz no dashes or hs

but also yes boo-hoo I only got 50-100% additive when it could be 40 billion

[vast raven]

i never get rd off of greater haste bc i just reset before then 😌

[old bluff]

real

i dont even take greater haste anymore

ill take side hustle over it lmao

[rustic vale]

Playing unmodded means I take any run that gets off its feet

[vast raven]

side hustle is so good omg

[old bluff]

ye

[vast raven]

literally pays for itself so fast

[old bluff]

infinite money glitch fr

[eager copper]

it scales iffy so even at common its goated

[vast raven]

hoarding slash meta

[rustic vale]

Until Charon takes it all when you die 😔

[old bluff]

just dont die :)

[rustic vale]

It isn’t that tough to hit 3000-5000 obols for like +150-250 hoarding slash damage

It just isn’t a good speed strat

[vast raven]

its so bad 😭

sgg pls update h1 and remove beo mirage shot bug and buff hoarding slash pls it would be really funny

[old bluff]

beo would still be the best weapon in the game lmao

it would be less busted, but still

unless they buffed hoarding slash to like 20%

[rustic vale]

Guys you’ve heard of the RTA speedpact and the IGT speedpact but have you heard of the max-obols pact

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1065503567785504789/IMG_2793.jpg?ex=68923fc6&is=6890ee46&hm=54434ba36278084216699e7a0e192d680f2e696f5a92efaa30566fd7c6aaf32e&

Gosh the blur

[vast raven]

that picture quality

[old bluff]

ive seen worse

you can at least read it

[rustic vale]

I do it better now

My hands are steadier and if they aren’t I just ss on switch and export to phone

[vast raven]

nooo bring back eris meta

[rustic vale]

My 7:46 I actually just couldn’t hold my phone still so I did that

[old bluff]

hera: 🗿

[rustic vale]

zag sword meta when

[vast raven]

hera is fake anyways

[rustic vale]

hit c3 Hyper Delivery

[old bluff]

lies

best weapon tbh

[vast raven]

rama meta 🔥

[old bluff]

i would main hera if it didnt destroy my hands

[rustic vale]

Guys everytime I get bouldy movespeed I don’t get RD 😭

Wait

Did that send twice

[vast raven]

yes

[old bluff]

ye

[vast raven]

LMAO

[rustic vale]

?!

[old bluff]

he REALLY wants that bouldy and rd

[rustic vale]

You don’t understand I was playing zag sword to sub10 it and I hit like +9% movespeed and I was hyped

[vast raven]

bouldy movespeed is all you need with rd (you sell the prereq once you get it)

[old bluff]

i think i had a pb that hit 9 or 10%

[rustic vale]

I feel like I hit the +7-10% range a disproportionally small amount

like +10% obols or dr would actually pop off

[old bluff]

ye, 9% on the good ol' 5:03

[rustic vale]

or everytime I do get a solidly high number it’s an attack stat I don’t care about

Thank you for +9% special damage on rama

[old bluff]

i dont know if ive ever seen 10% dr

[rustic vale]

Tbf it’s like

A 1/700 chance

[vast raven]

kinda surprised with the amount of tarts i assume you reset

[old bluff]

ive seen way more than 700 bouldys

[rustic vale]

1/7 * 1/10

[vast raven]

same!

[rustic vale]

Because that’s definitely how probability works

also do you even check the bouldy boon every single time

I do nownbut

[old bluff]

okay but most of them dont make it to c6

[rustic vale]

I didn’t check it too often before

[old bluff]

i always gift and check

[vast raven]

mb i forgot that you reset for flood flare rarity and really good chambers

you always gotta gift and check

[old bluff]

i dont reset common unless im malding, engrish is the one who always did lmao

[rustic vale]

tbf though the odds of seeing at least one 10% dr with those odds over 700 bouldies is only 63%

Since I’m playing a bunch of different aspects rn I lowkey just seed my run and swap aspects depending on the rarity of my c1 boon

[old bluff]

ye

thats the best way tbh

the games about having fun

[rustic vale]

Same thing with c1 hammer

bounce around until I find an aspect that likes the hammer

makes it way more likely to get a funny spreadfire zag rail run going or a memey flurry slash zag

or rocket start eris

flurry on any bow

[old bluff]

cshot beo

[rustic vale]

twin or triple

cflight beo tru

Lemme pull up my list of aspects that I still need to sub10

Sword:
zag, arthur
spear:
hades, gy
shield:
zag, chaos, zeus
bow:
chiron
rail:
hestia, luci

I’m so bad with hestia and luci

💔

[old bluff]

they hard

luci is my slowest aspect at like 9:39

[rustic vale]

Luci charge up time just feels anti-speed

[old bluff]

ye

i dont get how wmic does it

[vast raven]

i should run back zag sword later (probs a few weeks, after im done with modded 64 ) for some funsies

[old bluff]

sword is fun

[vast raven]

i love rd

[rustic vale]

Every so often I aim for a flurry slash /heroic swift strike run w/ sword

[old bluff]

reallllllll

[rustic vale]

it just always falls apart at either not hitting purple swift strike or not hitting eury

[old bluff]

if only rd loved me back

[rustic vale]

Parasocial relationship with RD fr fr

[old bluff]

just hit the natty epic rd

[rustic vale]

Heroic swift strike zag sword is just shy of 2x attack speed

afaik

I just want to see it

in a real game

and hopefully either hit pwave off second hammer or anvil

[rustic vale]

True true

Natty Epic RD into savescum heroic rd at eury

If only Eury like

didn’t decide that sometimes she can or can’t be savescummed

I have clips where she works and I have runs where no matter how many pots I break nothing changes

it’s really weird

cuz that doesn’t happen for bouldy nor does it happen at anvil

[latent moon]

there's like 1 or 2 breakpoints that common flood flare doesn't hit, but iirc like another 5% from fam favs or 1 pom fixes the issue in tart

iirc unarmored witch doesn't get 1 shot from common flood flare if only the flare hits

the other might have something to do with louts but i can't remember

[old bluff]

It misses some more niche ones but ye, the main one is witch

[latent moon]

yeah there's def more niche ones but they're generally solved by a cshot lol

or another volley with good grouping

[mighty trail]

Any tips for spear in higher heat pls 🙏
I’m running Achilles aspect and it feels like my dmg always falls off hard after reaching elysium

[old bluff]

Achilles kinda does that sadly

Maybe try Zeus attack and jolted on Achilles?

It’ll still fall off, but should be passable

[latent moon]

how high of heat?

bc damage not existing in ely is very common like edward said lol

[mighty trail]

32

[latent moon]

if you can, i'd recommend leaning into the cast build

yeah you can def run casts

that scales better late game

your early game will be a bit slower but you won't run out of time

and you'll still be able to deal with ely and bosses really fast

[mighty trail]

Alr ima give it a shot, which casts should I look for?

[old bluff]

Ares is best

Look for hunting blades duo from ares and arty

Athena with Zeus and lightning phalanx is also pretty fun

[latent moon]

it's a little funky but the cast is at least usable before the duo lmao

just need good aim

[mighty trail]

which starting keepsake? I’ve been going for Poseidon for the dash but I’m not sure if its gonna cut it 😭

[old bluff]

I would say arty for attack if you go for hunting blades and Zeus if you go for lightning phalanx

[mighty trail]

Thanks a lot 🙏

[old bluff]

Man is this game kicking my butt rn

Mannnnn

1:14 tart into not even leaving aspho is rough

[vast raven]

maybe its a sign

[old bluff]

Sign?

[vast raven]

weapon swap time!

[old bluff]

Soon

I’ll swap after I pb again

I’ve always wanted to get rail and fist sheets

[vast raven]

someday, i too will have a sheet 😌

[old bluff]

I believe

Isn’t your pb a 6:0x?

[vast raven]

like a 6:08 iirc

[old bluff]

Nice

After 64?

[vast raven]

most likely yeah

lookin like i have a list of stuff to do now

[vast raven]

ah yes, the run where mirage shows up in styx shop all of my pbs so far have gotten mirage later and later into the run

[old bluff]

Ye

Pbs tend to be kinda cursed

[rustic vale]

tbf just start tidal dash and determine hunting blades or phalanx depending on who you find in tart

[vast raven]

for high heat its just kinda zeus attack though no? or is 32 still like capable of doing stuff like cast starts

[rustic vale]

Cast starts only fall off with ri and ap no?

32 is too early for those

[vast raven]

idk my ri3 32 pact says otherwise

actually with spear id do ri2 probably

second dash good

actually hang on ima cook up the worst 32 pact i can think of

[latent moon]

generally, on non-horrid 32 pacts, the only build limiter is like UC

maybe ap1 if you really hate a certain pact

[nocturne zenith]

aw man no image perms

well i got all of the achievements!!! really really fun game lots of variety and hundreds of hours of fun i think

[rustic vale]

mmm

this is one of my fastest tart splits in a hot minute

2:08 with no strike yet on hestia

*Bestia

[old bluff]

Hestia is a menace in tart

[rustic vale]

yeah

Lvl 4 tidal dash is also a force to be reckoned with

and

lightning cast

[old bluff]

Zeus cast my beloved

[rustic vale]

Ok so

someone here

doesn’t have good enough experience fighting Lernie with Hestia

that definitely could’ve been faster

4:56 aspho leave

My aspho was slow overall but my lernie could’ve been faster

[nocturne zenith]

dusa still isnt giving me anything and she and aphrodite are the only bonds i need

[rustic vale]

You need dusa for aphro ssooooo

slow going 😔

[nocturne zenith]

im being told i need both meg and than to be at the house for a discussion with dusa in my bedroom to occur after which the bond will be forged

im also being told i just need to keep trucking

curse you game

[stiff obsidian]

done

[rancid ember]

WHOOF there's nothing like inadvertently stumbling on a NICE combo.

For all the things one could do with a low-level Chiron I have to say that the combination of Divine Flourish+ Divine Dash, Curse of Agony, Merciful End and Impending Doom ALL BEFORE THE END OF TARTARUS is probably, uh, one of the better ways a run can start